It's a facade, they fear and believe in antediluvians but admitting there are forces above them will undermine their power or will expose their sires that don't want to be known about and have control over the vast majority of kindred and kine from the shadows.
It is also because of the masquerade, if a bunch of young sireless vamp that look like humans go about exposing their society, even having babies with humans, then the Human Inquisition comes knocking.
Actually killing Caitiff hastens on Gehenna since killing all those Clanless and Thinbloods ripples through the bonds between the vampires right into the Antedeluvians themselves and therefore awakens them.
Yes and no. The thing is due to this abandonement, apparently somehow the blood runs a bid wild and so new powers can more easily manifest. And for the Camarilla they represent the coming of the end times and to somehow cover that up they rather drive them off or kill them.
@@inotaishu1 Imagine creating a separate clan that has kindred with all imaginable major clan disciplines, it will officially expose the secrets that Giovanni, Tremere, Setites, Tszimishi and so on were guarding all this time, do you think these clans will allow it? Most certainly not! And I imagine that cell of kindred society will be wiped out even quicker than if they were just lost strays under Camarillas watchful gaze. But undoubtedly it would be the most powerful clan after establishing a financial foothold and their own social hierarchy. A Hogwarts for vampires idea comes to my mind )
@@HellGod67 Having access to clan disciplines (which btw. Caitiff may have but may as well not) will not expose secrets of those clans you listed. Especially not since necromancy and thaumaturgy are not disciplines in the standard sense and almost anyone can learn fleshcrafting. So I am going to pretend not to have read this nonsense of yours.
I once played a Caitiff that became a Deputy to a very corrupt Sheriff that wanted to kill the Prince and claim Praxis. My character, with the aid of an important harpy, helped set the Prince up, but also set the Sheriff up so that both would die (Sheriff killed Prince, then the whole court killed the Sheriff) and the Harpy became Prince and I his Scourge. and a lesser Harpy. For starters. My Setite mentor was very impressed.. oops, I guess I shouldn't have mentioned that last part.
Ha, well you imagine all Caitiff to be of a lower generation? ;) It can surely bite you back. Also, for generations 12 and above the childe swap diablerie is a thing for theese purposes, no need to search and target a supposed Caitiff and surely, it's much safer of a venue.
My most successful protagonist in VtM was a Caitiff in the Anarch Free State of L.A.. Our weekly stories consisted of other vampires abusing my poor kindred. His position, however, gave him political freedom to achieve things that those with clans could not. After many a nights, the Caitiff viewed clans as a disadvantage rather than an advantage. His disciplines became an extension of his personality manifested. It was a truly fascinating way to play VtM.
Excellent job as usual, gent! Immersive exposition with interesting information about the World of Darkness; and of course, charming and professional execution, as usual. Looking forward to more content in the future!
Actually played a lower gen Caitiff once, supposedly grandchilde of the Stoneman. Never did find out if that was true or not, but I did develop some truly bizarre disciplines throughout the game.
Ah my favorite scapegoats :) Great work as always. You've inspired me to round up the homies and kickstart a new game. Sabbat pack, turn of the century New York Territories. Thanks dude :)
I love your Vampire the Masquerade videos. I'm so glad I found them. I've watch a majority if them and I'm dying to now what clan are you roleplaying as when you do these videos. This video and the last one I watched made me suspect it was Giovanni.
What clan was Caine again? Or his childer? The Antediluvians weren't even part of a clan in the beginning. They also all had a much easier time developing Disciplines, too. You neglected to mention that Caitiff can often create their own Disciplines with ease. I never really bought into the concept of a Caitiff-created Discipline only being available to a Caitiff, though (which I'm pretty sure is stated in the Pariahs book, which the Caitiff are discussed). I figure if they wanted to teach a non-Caitiff one of their Disciplines it wouldn't be any more difficult to learn than any other Discipline. Finding someone willing to teach it would be another matter. Probably no different than a Tremere willing to teach Thaumaturgy to someone outside their clan. Why share your secrets with someone who'd just as soon kill you?
That is the subject of the "Time of thin blood" book. It takes a very interesting take on the 14th and 15th generation vampires. From their mentioned abilities to survive in daylight and to procreate the mortal way, their occasional weak metabolism to seer abilities some of them acquire as they lay dead for a day before the blood changes them. It also contains info on the week of nightmares when Ravnos antediluvian woke up and stirred some serious shit up. I highly recommend it.
I only know of 3 dhmpir being born. All of thin-blood mothers. One was killed out right, the other grew up and the third was used by a Tzamitce (the monster cut it out of its mother and tried to carry it to term inside its own body, "clanbook Brujah"). of course it didn't work and the dhmpire died anyway. Are there any others?
You do indeed have that right, and yet I happily live in the UK and see few reports of people being shot, and even less of people being stabbed or beaten to death. It's an odd thing, but one we can agree to disagree on.
I don't understand how a Cainite can be clanless, if clans really are inherited like 'genetics' rather than taught? I imagined that Caitiff were simply unaware of any clan-specific traits they were developing, so that perhaps the development of those traits would happen more ambiguously without, like, a role model, but that the disciplines that were passed down to the Neonate would still evolve to match their sire's clan? Otherwise I don't understand how disciplines are acquired. It wouldn't make sense if a Neonate would be embraced by a Toreador and then somehow develop, let's say, Dementation out of nowhere? Has this question been settled? Because if so, I'm not aware, and I'd like to know whether clans are a 'nature vs. nurture' sort of debate.
Veeeeeery late with the response, I know. But the answer is rather simplistic: Although many try to understand Vampirism and the Embrace in scientific ways, nice and clean, following strict principles, the vampiric condition is ultimately a mystical thing. Whether your proclivities for disciplines, your demeanor and how your bane manifests lies in the blood, or in yourself, or a bit of both, is hotly debated. "Nature vs. Nurture", as you pointed out. And who can claim to understand the mystics of the Embrace fully? Perhaps the ritualistic nature of a "proper" embrace is somewhat necessary? Or maybe the stereotypes, that many Clans seek out in their potential progeny are important? Should a Toreador embrace someone ugly, artistically untalented and quite the opposite of an artist, thespian spy or creative mind....Perhaps the progeny just rejects the bond of the clan and yet becomes kindred anyway? And even *if* it can be scientifically understood, random mutations are the driving force of evolution. Perhaps we just haven't figured out the "gene", so to speak, that encodes "Clan", and how it might be damaged or twisted in the Embrace?
Very enlightening, this defiantly causes me to sit back and ponder much more on the subject of Caitiff/Pander, especially when it comes to Caitiff-Thin Bloods. The part that really gets my brain buzzing is the possibility of Thin Bloods reproducing and creating Dhampir. Now that’s something I never considered happening is WOD! I can only imagine what that would be like.
Dear mentor, I have heard much about the vampire clans of Africa and I wonder what do you know about them, and if you would please share your wisdom about them? Yours sincerely Erik The lowly Neonate.
So a Caitiff can indeed have all the powers of the clans,diablerise, and yet have no weakness of them. Indeed a character that if added to the coming WOD MMORPG, will be very common around.
the sabbat actually have mad respect for the catiff even going asfar as offering them the prestigious roll of frontline warriors were they can be hideously mauled to death by camarilla
(In character again cause my ipad posted the comment when I wasn't finished) Catiff are welcomed here in aspen Colorado. They need healing and both the camerilla and sabbat what administer the medication needed. But we independents here in aspen can.
Dan Acton All Kindred are indeed Camarilla, as that is the term by which the Camarilla denotes its members. Not all Cainites are foolish enough to ally with the Camarilla though ;)
They are about as far away as they can be, and yet their blood is so diluted they have access to nearly all disciplines. You will find out soon enough.
New idea for a Caitiff "crazy" discipline: Life. One dot gives you some sustenance from food and water, higher dots give you day walking and live births. Imagine Potence/Celerity/Alive. I would DARE a Harpy to talk shit, see if I don't kicked in your front door and drag you into the sun.
Do they ever explain what happens to a Caitiff who diablerizes a lower gen Vampire? Say a Caitiff diablerizes a 5th generation kindred in Torpor somehow (staking him or performing the ritual of the bitter rose with a group for example) obviously he would increase in generation by at least a couple notches, but I don't remember seeing anything about whether this "removes" his thin-bloodedness, would it be possible to have a real powerful 9th or 10th level ancilla caitiff? Or would the diablerist start taking on the traits of the clan of the kindred consumed? What if he diablerized various kindred of lower gen of different clans? Would he become a new bloodline with his chosen disciplines instead? *shrug* always kind of confused me how that worked. Seems if playing with a group who has a Caitiff and diablerizes it could bring up some interesting storyline hooks
ZarathustrasCrown Not all Caitiff are Thinbloods, and not all Thinbloods are Caitiff. The two are different conditions that may or may not overlap. But to answer your question, a Caitiff who commits diablerie isn't going to suddenly take on the clan of his victim. He'll remain a Caitiff even if he drinks his way down to Methuselah status. Additionally, what makes you think there aren't Caitiff Elders skulking about out there? Sure, it's been only in the past 100 years that the Caitiff population has exploded... but there were Clanless back in the Dark Ages, probably even farther back.
What is the difference between Thin bloods and the Caitiff in your opinion? I noticed that people tend to clump the two together and some of the things you say in this video sound like thin bloods.
Well seams to me, that while they prove usefull they will be tolerated, but that only until they become a treat, like becoming a lider to others caitiff in a Camarilla City.
Maybe it's because Catiff put a dent into the Camarilla's heavily structured world. Personally, I think Dhampirs should've been introduced sooner and available to high humanity vampires.
I've found that running Caitiff usually ends up with the powergamers of the group picking up the clan -- it's nigh perfect for their goals. As long as the other members of the party handle the political stuff, Caitiff end up being absolutely godly out-of-the-gate combat machines.
Welcome to the unlife, child. You are Caitiff - wich means I have both good and bad news for you: First the good one: You have no clan-ties. And the bad one: You have no clan-ties. Have a good night.
Thanks for another awesome video, I honestly never thought of Caitiff to be much of a threat but this video makes rethink that notion. I understand now why Princes would send scourges to wipe them out. I also notice that you pronounce Caitiff differently, I usually pronounce it as "Kay-Tiff" but I guess that's just a personal preference thing. Also in the course of doing these videos I notice that you are in character, may I know who it is you're roleplaying? his clan? sect? Thanks in advance!
Prophecies are funny...if they're false then you can ignore them. If they're true, then you can't really do anything to stop them and you'd be better off ignoring them anyway.
Nice video! You can make interesting campaigns with caitiff, since they feel much stronger than other vampires that it's them against the world, they have many "under the radar" freedoms that vampires belonging to clans don't have and got larger incentives to stick together and, for some, diablerize older vampires. After all, what do they have to lose? Btw. could you be so kind and tell me what version of Lux Aeterna did you use in the intro? Thanks!
But if those caitiff thin-blooded or not, should ever commit diablerie and therefore lowering their generation, wouldnt they also gain the weaknesses that normal clans and generations have?
But not all Caitiff are Thin-Blood? And if they are thin blood don't they have one particular weakness - they can't normally get as powerful in any one discipline as one of the 13 generations. They can learn almost anything but can't get beyond the lower to mid levels. Or is my info out of date?
I recently asked If Thin-bloods could be playable characters in a game but I regret I did not know that they were also known as Caitiff, Obviously I need to learn more before I start asking more silly questions. I profusely apologize for my Ignorance and hope to have not been the sorce of any headaches.
Caitiff are not thin bloods caitiff are clan less Vampires you can argue that the Antideluvians Cain and the Second generation are Caitiffs since they have no clan (the fact wether they are ancestors or decendants here is not relevant) Osiris is a Caitiff and a 4th generation Vampire thin bloods can have a can they are very high generation vampires like 14 th or 15 th
@Cenk Tüneygök Not necessary, some thin-blooded do carry over the traits of their clan. And it's not unusual for a Caitiff to be thin-blooded. Thin-blooded isn't something that happens to just 14+ gen vampires. Any vampire can become thin-blooded if they aren't lucky (you can take the thin-blooded flaw as any generation vampire I believe.)
agreed. I did fire a gun a few times, but I didnt enjoy it as much as the guy putting it in my hands would have liked. I dont like guns, unless its in a hollywood movie.
i think iv got it forgive me if i offend you but you seem to admire the Caitiff/Panders i think you are one or maybe a toreador and for some reason i get a slight brujah feel for some reason
Ironic. The Camarilla doesn't believe in antediluvians and yet they are the ones that fear thin bloods.
It's a facade, they fear and believe in antediluvians but admitting there are forces above them will undermine their power or will expose their sires that don't want to be known about and have control over the vast majority of kindred and kine from the shadows.
It is also because of the masquerade, if a bunch of young sireless vamp that look like humans go about exposing their society, even having babies with humans, then the Human Inquisition comes knocking.
p
Actually killing Caitiff hastens on Gehenna since killing all those Clanless and Thinbloods ripples through the bonds between the vampires right into the Antedeluvians themselves and therefore awakens them.
Oh indeed. But let's not tell everyone.
The Gentleman Gamer You are an Antideluvian aren't you? :D
Yes and no. The thing is due to this abandonement, apparently somehow the blood runs a bid wild and so new powers can more easily manifest. And for the Camarilla they represent the coming of the end times and to somehow cover that up they rather drive them off or kill them.
@@inotaishu1 Imagine creating a separate clan that has kindred with all imaginable major clan disciplines, it will officially expose the secrets that Giovanni, Tremere, Setites, Tszimishi and so on were guarding all this time, do you think these clans will allow it? Most certainly not! And I imagine that cell of kindred society will be wiped out even quicker than if they were just lost strays under Camarillas watchful gaze.
But undoubtedly it would be the most powerful clan after establishing a financial foothold and their own social hierarchy. A Hogwarts for vampires idea comes to my mind )
@@HellGod67 Having access to clan disciplines (which btw. Caitiff may have but may as well not) will not expose secrets of those clans you listed. Especially not since necromancy and thaumaturgy are not disciplines in the standard sense and almost anyone can learn fleshcrafting. So I am going to pretend not to have read this nonsense of yours.
I once played a Caitiff that became a Deputy to a very corrupt Sheriff that wanted to kill the Prince and claim Praxis. My character, with the aid of an important harpy, helped set the Prince up, but also set the Sheriff up so that both would die (Sheriff killed Prince, then the whole court killed the Sheriff) and the Harpy became Prince and I his Scourge. and a lesser Harpy. For starters. My Setite mentor was very impressed.. oops, I guess I shouldn't have mentioned that last part.
A caitiff would never rise to such a position ever.
@@geek4u869 Tell that to Muhktar Bey.
i think the saying goes "if you ignore your responsibility it will come back and bite you"
Or end up as your cellmate.
Caitiff actually seem like a good target for diablery. An ambitious vampire could seek out young caitiff and claim their rare powers for themselves.
Not really. You cant steal powers only one vampire created that are tied to it being a caitiff.
Ha, well you imagine all Caitiff to be of a lower generation? ;) It can surely bite you back. Also, for generations 12 and above the childe swap diablerie is a thing for theese purposes, no need to search and target a supposed Caitiff and surely, it's much safer of a venue.
My most successful protagonist in VtM was a Caitiff in the Anarch Free State of L.A.. Our weekly stories consisted of other vampires abusing my poor kindred. His position, however, gave him political freedom to achieve things that those with clans could not. After many a nights, the Caitiff viewed clans as a disadvantage rather than an advantage. His disciplines became an extension of his personality manifested. It was a truly fascinating way to play VtM.
I just wanted to thank you for making these videos, I have watched them all, and I really like the style you have chosen. Keep up the good work !
You sir, are a gentleman. Thank you for the kind words.
Thank you for continuing to watch!
Excellent job as usual, gent! Immersive exposition with interesting information about the World of Darkness; and of course, charming and professional execution, as usual.
Looking forward to more content in the future!
Thank you for watching them!
That's actually a part of Gehenna. A woman gives birth as a Thin-Blood.
You would have to contact Andre C Martinez about that, as he made the intro and outro.
Actually played a lower gen Caitiff once, supposedly grandchilde of the Stoneman. Never did find out if that was true or not, but I did develop some truly bizarre disciplines throughout the game.
Thank you for these videos! They're great!
Caitiff are like any other vampire.
I hope I never get used to it.
Ah my favorite scapegoats :) Great work as always. You've inspired me to round up the homies and kickstart a new game. Sabbat pack, turn of the century New York Territories. Thanks dude :)
(In character) Catiff in my eyes are not a problem, they are unlucky children who are shunned by their sires
They are so many these nights, though...
I love your Vampire the Masquerade videos. I'm so glad I found them. I've watch a majority if them and I'm dying to now what clan are you roleplaying as when you do these videos. This video and the last one I watched made me suspect it was Giovanni.
In the "Werewolf" videos ; he's a Malkavian in the board of Pentex --
What clan was Caine again? Or his childer? The Antediluvians weren't even part of a clan in the beginning. They also all had a much easier time developing Disciplines, too. You neglected to mention that Caitiff can often create their own Disciplines with ease. I never really bought into the concept of a Caitiff-created Discipline only being available to a Caitiff, though (which I'm pretty sure is stated in the Pariahs book, which the Caitiff are discussed). I figure if they wanted to teach a non-Caitiff one of their Disciplines it wouldn't be any more difficult to learn than any other Discipline. Finding someone willing to teach it would be another matter. Probably no different than a Tremere willing to teach Thaumaturgy to someone outside their clan. Why share your secrets with someone who'd just as soon kill you?
Bloodflame666
I think the Caitiff are so feared by the Clans because a Caitiff has all the benefits with way less of the penalties of Vampirism.
Cain was the first vampire --
Clans weren't a thing until after the Great Flood
Interesting about Radu & Hardestadt meeting up. I don't recall reading this, but its cool so I'll run wit it (steal :).
That is the subject of the "Time of thin blood" book. It takes a very interesting take on the 14th and 15th generation vampires. From their mentioned abilities to survive in daylight and to procreate the mortal way, their occasional weak metabolism to seer abilities some of them acquire as they lay dead for a day before the blood changes them.
It also contains info on the week of nightmares when Ravnos antediluvian woke up and stirred some serious shit up.
I highly recommend it.
I only know of 3 dhmpir being born. All of thin-blood mothers. One was killed out right, the other grew up and the third was used by a Tzamitce (the monster cut it out of its mother and tried to carry it to term inside its own body, "clanbook Brujah"). of course it didn't work and the dhmpire died anyway. Are there any others?
in General what do you think of catiff, from an OOC level. I never liked them and found them contrdictory to how the embrace works; but tis just me.
You do indeed have that right, and yet I happily live in the UK and see few reports of people being shot, and even less of people being stabbed or beaten to death. It's an odd thing, but one we can agree to disagree on.
The best use for them.
It's a tried and tested tactic!
I don't understand how a Cainite can be clanless, if clans really are inherited like 'genetics' rather than taught? I imagined that Caitiff were simply unaware of any clan-specific traits they were developing, so that perhaps the development of those traits would happen more ambiguously without, like, a role model, but that the disciplines that were passed down to the Neonate would still evolve to match their sire's clan? Otherwise I don't understand how disciplines are acquired. It wouldn't make sense if a Neonate would be embraced by a Toreador and then somehow develop, let's say, Dementation out of nowhere? Has this question been settled? Because if so, I'm not aware, and I'd like to know whether clans are a 'nature vs. nurture' sort of debate.
Veeeeeery late with the response, I know. But the answer is rather simplistic:
Although many try to understand Vampirism and the Embrace in scientific ways, nice and clean, following strict principles, the vampiric condition is ultimately a mystical thing. Whether your proclivities for disciplines, your demeanor and how your bane manifests lies in the blood, or in yourself, or a bit of both, is hotly debated. "Nature vs. Nurture", as you pointed out. And who can claim to understand the mystics of the Embrace fully? Perhaps the ritualistic nature of a "proper" embrace is somewhat necessary? Or maybe the stereotypes, that many Clans seek out in their potential progeny are important? Should a Toreador embrace someone ugly, artistically untalented and quite the opposite of an artist, thespian spy or creative mind....Perhaps the progeny just rejects the bond of the clan and yet becomes kindred anyway?
And even *if* it can be scientifically understood, random mutations are the driving force of evolution. Perhaps we just haven't figured out the "gene", so to speak, that encodes "Clan", and how it might be damaged or twisted in the Embrace?
correction muktar bay is 7 th gen making him an elder and i think he is stronger than beckett if i understand there character sheets correctly
It's a sad addiction.
Caitiff are unloved and unwanted, tis true.
Very enlightening, this defiantly causes me to sit back and ponder much more on the subject of Caitiff/Pander, especially when it comes to Caitiff-Thin Bloods. The part that really gets my brain buzzing is the possibility of Thin Bloods reproducing and creating Dhampir. Now that’s something I never considered happening is WOD! I can only imagine what that would be like.
Dear mentor, I have heard much about the vampire clans of Africa and I wonder what do you know about them, and if you would please share your wisdom about them? Yours sincerely Erik The lowly Neonate.
So a Caitiff can indeed have all the powers of the clans,diablerise, and yet have no weakness of them. Indeed a character that if added to the coming WOD MMORPG, will be very common around.
What becomes of the Caitiff when he/she diableries a member of a clan? How it affects the disciplines they learned/discovered/created?
I really like your voice, its cool dark and mysterius. I would love to listen to you read some Lovecraft books!
They are indeed.
the sabbat actually have mad respect for the catiff even going asfar as offering them the prestigious roll of frontline warriors were they can be hideously mauled to death by camarilla
Hahahahahh wonderfull how u say what pleases each people the most, "You will do well in this new life, young one. That i can se already."
XD
(In character again cause my ipad posted the comment when I wasn't finished) Catiff are welcomed here in aspen Colorado. They need healing and both the camerilla and sabbat what administer the medication needed. But we independents here in aspen can.
why are you posting in character?
Because I like to.
hellsing507 (in character) Healing? What exactly is supposed to be ailing us?
(in character) Healing as in A metaphor for Acceptance. They are no different than you or me and can be powerful against the enemy when used right.
All kindred are Camrilla. That includes all clans past and present. Sabat, Indepenents, and the Clanless.. - Archon & Tempars
Dan Acton What the hell is a "Camrilla"?
forgive the misspell, so ill sound it out for you.
Cam-i-reel-a
Dan Acton That is the incorrect pronunciation of the real word "Camarilla" as well as your misspelling.
well, thank you for the correction
Dan Acton All Kindred are indeed Camarilla, as that is the term by which the Camarilla denotes its members. Not all Cainites are foolish enough to ally with the Camarilla though ;)
This is some great stuff.
Thank you!
I imagine them to start their own bloodlines or maybe there were so few to mention. Un-life as Caitiff is an eternal up-hill battle.
are The Caitiff closer too kane sins they can learn all disciplines
ps. watt clan are you, the one you "play" as in the Guide
Another great tale by the gunman :)
Poor old Ravnos...
They are about as far away as they can be, and yet their blood is so diluted they have access to nearly all disciplines.
You will find out soon enough.
New idea for a Caitiff "crazy" discipline: Life. One dot gives you some sustenance from food and water, higher dots give you day walking and live births. Imagine Potence/Celerity/Alive. I would DARE a Harpy to talk shit, see if I don't kicked in your front door and drag you into the sun.
that one sounds more like thin-blood thing though
Do they ever explain what happens to a Caitiff who diablerizes a lower gen Vampire? Say a Caitiff diablerizes a 5th generation kindred in Torpor somehow (staking him or performing the ritual of the bitter rose with a group for example) obviously he would increase in generation by at least a couple notches, but I don't remember seeing anything about whether this "removes" his thin-bloodedness, would it be possible to have a real powerful 9th or 10th level ancilla caitiff? Or would the diablerist start taking on the traits of the clan of the kindred consumed? What if he diablerized various kindred of lower gen of different clans? Would he become a new bloodline with his chosen disciplines instead? *shrug* always kind of confused me how that worked. Seems if playing with a group who has a Caitiff and diablerizes it could bring up some interesting storyline hooks
CAN Caitiff even diablerize someone? I always assumed they couldn't oO
ZarathustrasCrown Not all Caitiff are Thinbloods, and not all Thinbloods are Caitiff. The two are different conditions that may or may not overlap.
But to answer your question, a Caitiff who commits diablerie isn't going to suddenly take on the clan of his victim. He'll remain a Caitiff even if he drinks his way down to Methuselah status.
Additionally, what makes you think there aren't Caitiff Elders skulking about out there? Sure, it's been only in the past 100 years that the Caitiff population has exploded... but there were Clanless back in the Dark Ages, probably even farther back.
JamJackJillian Given the opportunity and the cunning, what exactly would stop them?
VirisSang ah damn, didnt play in so long, i confused thinblood and caitiff.
It would be thoroughly unpleasant. An affront to Caine.
What is the difference between Thin bloods and the Caitiff in your opinion? I noticed that people tend to clump the two together and some of the things you say in this video sound like thin bloods.
Caitiff can wield a lot of power.. If they don't show it.
NICE collection of rule books!! I am a collector myself (and a player, of course, too)!
Well seams to me, that while they prove usefull they will be tolerated, but that only until they become a treat, like becoming a lider to others caitiff in a Camarilla City.
I'm not too familiar with new WOD but just wondering, do you think you could do a guide on the Suicide Kings? Are they worth mentioning?
Maybe it's because Catiff put a dent into the Camarilla's heavily structured world. Personally, I think Dhampirs should've been introduced sooner and available to high humanity vampires.
I've found that running Caitiff usually ends up with the powergamers of the group picking up the clan -- it's nigh perfect for their goals. As long as the other members of the party handle the political stuff, Caitiff end up being absolutely godly out-of-the-gate combat machines.
There's something wrong with a tool that's purpose is only to kill and maim.
loving that intro!
how so?
You may be onto something...
Hell yes.
Or perhaps, you are Caine himself, storyteller.
I guess that's where we differ, but great video as always.
Welcome to the unlife, child. You are Caitiff - wich means I have both good and bad news for you: First the good one: You have no clan-ties. And the bad one: You have no clan-ties. Have a good night.
Thanks for another awesome video, I honestly never thought of Caitiff to be much of a threat but this video makes rethink that notion. I understand now why Princes would send scourges to wipe them out. I also notice that you pronounce Caitiff differently, I usually pronounce it as "Kay-Tiff" but I guess that's just a personal preference thing. Also in the course of doing these videos I notice that you are in character, may I know who it is you're roleplaying? his clan? sect? Thanks in advance!
Prophecies are funny...if they're false then you can ignore them. If they're true, then you can't really do anything to stop them and you'd be better off ignoring them anyway.
Nice video!
You can make interesting campaigns with caitiff, since they feel much stronger than other vampires that it's them against the world, they have many "under the radar" freedoms that vampires belonging to clans don't have and got larger incentives to stick together and, for some, diablerize older vampires. After all, what do they have to lose?
Btw. could you be so kind and tell me what version of Lux Aeterna did you use in the intro? Thanks!
But if those caitiff thin-blooded or not, should ever commit diablerie and therefore lowering their generation, wouldnt they also gain the weaknesses that normal clans and generations have?
Thin-bloods do. Not Caitiff though.
Are those Culture novels I see in the background? :D
not for now and i dont think would be any easier for a stranger in any country out there.
But not all Caitiff are Thin-Blood? And if they are thin blood don't they have one particular weakness - they can't normally get as powerful in any one discipline as one of the 13 generations. They can learn almost anything but can't get beyond the lower to mid levels. Or is my info out of date?
I am all for clanless power!
Clackclickbang, I enjoy your videos however what is the bloodline or clan you would finally allow yourself to be embraced by and why?
I recently asked If Thin-bloods could be playable characters in a game but I regret I did not know that they were also known as Caitiff, Obviously I need to learn more before I start asking more silly questions. I profusely apologize for my Ignorance and hope to have not been the sorce of any headaches.
Caitiff are not thin bloods caitiff are clan less Vampires you can argue that
the Antideluvians Cain and the Second generation are Caitiffs since they have no clan (the fact wether they are ancestors or decendants here is not relevant)
Osiris is a Caitiff and a 4th generation Vampire thin bloods can have a can they are
very high generation vampires like 14 th or 15 th
Cenk Tüneygök ok I can take that maybe?
@Cenk Tüneygök
Not necessary, some thin-blooded do carry over the traits of their clan.
And it's not unusual for a Caitiff to be thin-blooded.
Thin-blooded isn't something that happens to just 14+ gen vampires. Any vampire can become thin-blooded if they aren't lucky (you can take the thin-blooded flaw as any generation vampire I believe.)
What's worse: a Caitiff, a Thin-Blood, or a Dhampir?
Pinko!
that intro really isnt fun when wearing headphones. I'm hearing a constant beep now after that gunshot hehe.
They are the only clanless worth a damn.
These are old WoD correct? These aren't NWoD clans are they?
I wish that the country could be broken of this addiction to guns.
very difficult to play in the game with the more expensive points costs.
Become a Caitiff, Diabolrize your way up the ranks until you are a 6th gen Caitiff, then go mess som shit up!
what of swords? :P but I don't like guns. but in the U.S they are a beloved weapon. I always find it baffling how much my country loves the gun.
I wear protective gear then, not project the sound directly into my ears ;-)
They'll all worse than the muck on my shoe.
agreed. I did fire a gun a few times, but I didnt enjoy it as much as the guy putting it in my hands would have liked. I dont like guns, unless its in a hollywood movie.
i think iv got it forgive me if i offend you but you seem to admire the Caitiff/Panders i think you are one or maybe a toreador and for some reason i get a slight brujah feel for some reason
You better believe it! ... not as much as Tetsubo57 though.
Nothing a sadist humor
Caine, a Caitiff? Blasphemy!
Good for him. Guns are vile things.
Caine is a myth. A shadow on the wall.
None! I enjoy sunlight too much.
I think it's fine as an aspect of thin-bloodedness. I don't like the idea of a 7th Generation Caitiff.
I'll take the handsome ones as my slaves
sadly yes because we have more lunatics here than in England or any other area on Earth :P