Ben, props to your story-telling this episode. Idk if you were just tired (lol) but your composure & delivery was spot on for the Avengers issue. Someday you should do a back issue of your own! (There’s gotta be MLPony comics haha)
I own all three of these comics. Pretty much agree with the conclusion as well. Bendis intended Wanda to be in that Avengers book, so I think he and the comic itself can be excused. Unlike Batman 50. The fantastic artwork (to me) does *not* excuse all the tie ins I bought, just to be told at the end, "BWAHAHA!!! SUCKER!!!"
The biggest lie to me is Batman, mainly cause I hate the very idea that you can't be a hero without being miserable and you have to give up the idea of love. Like no, why can't superheroes be happy and married!? Great episode as always
This was one of the best GBU, I know because a back issues dropped thirty minutes ago and (when not busy here at work) I keep unpausing this to finish it rather than just jumping into back issues. I xant remember your reactio. To the wedding so i gotta finish the episode 😆
Best book in this is New Avengers #26. The rest whatever but, can we take a moment to recognize how on point Tiff's hair and makeup are in this video? Gorgeous! Also I thought she was going to jump across the table when Ben almost called Wong "Wang". :D
This is far funnier: Avengers Disassembled: Doctor Strange: "There's no such thing as Chaos Magic" New Avengers #26: Doctor Strange refers to Wanda's Chaos Magic Strange's reputation has never really recovered from this. Bendis can't even keep to his own continuity (and he doesn't know who Shuma Gorath and Chthon are), and the creepy undertone of misogyny in Bendis' robotic writing of Wanda is the reason Alan Heinberg ret-conned the Doombot. The point Heinberg is making is that Bendis writes Wanda like a brainless robot. Likewise, Dan Slott had Chthon brutally mock everything Doctor Strange said in Disassembled , in another pointed dig at Bendis. Chthon's words are clearly directed at Strange AND Bendis. Bendis tried to remove Chthon, David Sexton (Marvel Tarot), Dan Slott (Mighty Avengers) and Jeff Parker (Mystic Arcana) put him right back in.
I understand what Tiffany is saying, trying to separate the hype of the wedding from the actual issue itself, but...I don't think that's possible. Batman proposed to Catwoman like a year and a half ago, they built this up like this was the surest thing ever, and then YOINK. And then Tom King has the audacity to go on some interview and apparently say "I mean, really, the wedding storyline is all the way up to issue 100". Nah. Batman is the worst one here by a WIDE margin, because it wasn't ever meant honestly and then retconned into a lie later, this was something they spent like 30 issues actively lying to the audience about on purpose, and clearly not to make some grand statement, but to make money off the hype. Oh, and for the record, Tom King, Batman is more interesting when he isn't totally defined by edgy bullshit like I MUST BE MISERABLE OR ELSE I CAN'T HELP PEOPLE.
that's what Frank Miller kept trying to tell King when they were on a batman writers' panel: that Batman isn't really that miserable and enjoys what he does in a way
We need a Good, Bad and the Ugly with 3 Green Lantern issues. The Tom King Darkseid War one-shot, one of the Guy Gardner Warrior issues(maybe the christmas special?) and that Alan Moore issue with Mogo. Also, you can do a Omega Men Back Issues if you want to wait on Vision to see if that new one not by King will be good or not
my mouth dropped when you said it wasn't wanda and it's a doom bot. recon bullocks. i love the art and similar to hawkeye series i really liked. probably same artist
I’m glad Mar-vell never came back. His death is one of the few in comics that matters, and was incredibly heartbreaking to read, especially because it stuck. Plus, you can’t just come back from cancer after you’ve DIED from it.
ComicPOP omg I was thinking the same thing after hitting enter and scrolling down 😂 And holy crap you guys replied! Hi from a fellow new Jerseyan in India at the moment 🤗
No. Tom King was all in on the push as well. And the marketing doesn't excuse the poor lead up to this issue. He doesn't get to say that the first 50 issues will be good after reading the second 50 issues. Issue 50's story fell flat after promising to be so much more. It deserves the panning it got. I love the art, and I loved 95% of the run up to the issue (I Am Bane being the exception), and then Tom King threw a bunch of cop out story beats in issue 50. And to make things worse, he just drops a final page reveal that makes absolutely no sense. No one bought a $4.99 Batman wedding issue to see Bane make a cameo.
i mean....i was on the "mainland" i could see it in the distance but i didn't get to go out to it at all lmfao but the tour guide was like "that's the star wars island over there"
27:44 I'm sure this is weird to point out, but I've started to notice that both Tiffany and Sal pronounce "Mario" as 'Mere-e-o" and not 'Mar-e-o'. Is that a New Jersey thing?
Alex Maleev art can either be really good or just look like edgy Tom Goes to the Mayor to me. His style really started to annoy me in his run on Daredevil.
Batman 50 turned me off to batman so much that it's the first time I dropped the title in 15 years. I just don't like kings batman at all... The bendis book i thought was really good at the time. It doesn't hold up because of retcons but still was a good book.
It's especially shitty because like if the wedding had actually happened I would have considered this Kings second "classic" story after War of Jokes & Riddles It's ESPECIALLY shitty because this arc immediately following the wedding arc is awesome so far Still though like every Snyder Batman story is a classic and King has two at most assuming this arc pans out it's buckwild
Don't worry Ben, I got the Big Fat Liar joke. That deafening silence was painful
Yeah I got it too but still nothing about that movie is funny
Zyle Rayner not judging Ben just the movie, Bens generally kinda corny but 90% of the time I’d say it works for him, this is just the other 10 %
@@greatmajingo GET THE CLOWN!!!!
Ben I truly appreciate that Big Fat Liar reference, was obsessed with that movie when I was younger
1:23 Tiffany was like "Kill me already"
Ben, props to your story-telling this episode. Idk if you were just tired (lol) but your composure & delivery was spot on for the Avengers issue. Someday you should do a back issue of your own! (There’s gotta be MLPony comics haha)
"It's a beautiful lie". I see what you did there Ben
I loved Ben's face after going over Batman #50. He's just like wtf
ah yes the batman wedding where the big fat lie was that he is a skrull and she is a doom bot
God.. Ben had me laughing from the start of the video hahaha
I own all three of these comics. Pretty much agree with the conclusion as well. Bendis intended Wanda to be in that Avengers book, so I think he and the comic itself can be excused. Unlike Batman 50. The fantastic artwork (to me) does *not* excuse all the tie ins I bought, just to be told at the end, "BWAHAHA!!! SUCKER!!!"
MrMike11233 agreed especially since bendis didn't write children's crusade which is were she was changed to a doombot.
The biggest lie to me is Batman, mainly cause I hate the very idea that you can't be a hero without being miserable and you have to give up the idea of love. Like no, why can't superheroes be happy and married!? Great episode as always
Batman became ted moseby
Take that Jed Mosly!
At least I got see the Wedding of Batman and Catwoman at my local comic book store. It was a good Saturday morning, Elvis Deadpool married them.
I love Tiffany's hair
Also good episode
Big fat liar reference, nice job Ben
This was one of the best GBU, I know because a back issues dropped thirty minutes ago and (when not busy here at work) I keep unpausing this to finish it rather than just jumping into back issues. I xant remember your reactio. To the wedding so i gotta finish the episode 😆
This is a great episode! I love that New Avengers book. I ended up reading the whole entire series. It helped me rediscover my love for comics.
All i've got stuck in my head now is that one bit from Family Guy. "Hey, this guy's a phony. A big, fat phony!"
Would absolutely love VISION on back issues dude make it happen 😃
It's okay, Ben. I got your BFL reference right away. You keep doing you, boo.
New Avengers = 0:45
Civil War: The Return = 10:36
Batman = 18:12
The Results = 31:06
Best book in this is New Avengers #26. The rest whatever but, can we take a moment to recognize how on point Tiff's hair and makeup are in this video? Gorgeous!
Also I thought she was going to jump across the table when Ben almost called Wong "Wang". :D
Best episode yet. You need to do another one of these with the same theme.
This is far funnier:
Avengers Disassembled:
Doctor Strange: "There's no such thing as Chaos Magic"
New Avengers #26:
Doctor Strange refers to Wanda's Chaos Magic
Strange's reputation has never really recovered from this.
Bendis can't even keep to his own continuity (and he doesn't know who Shuma Gorath and Chthon are), and the creepy undertone of misogyny in Bendis' robotic writing of Wanda is the reason Alan Heinberg ret-conned the Doombot. The point Heinberg is making is that Bendis writes Wanda like a brainless robot.
Likewise, Dan Slott had Chthon brutally mock everything Doctor Strange said in Disassembled , in another pointed dig at Bendis. Chthon's words are clearly directed at Strange AND Bendis. Bendis tried to remove Chthon, David Sexton (Marvel Tarot), Dan Slott (Mighty Avengers) and Jeff Parker (Mystic Arcana) put him right back in.
I understand what Tiffany is saying, trying to separate the hype of the wedding from the actual issue itself, but...I don't think that's possible. Batman proposed to Catwoman like a year and a half ago, they built this up like this was the surest thing ever, and then YOINK. And then Tom King has the audacity to go on some interview and apparently say "I mean, really, the wedding storyline is all the way up to issue 100". Nah. Batman is the worst one here by a WIDE margin, because it wasn't ever meant honestly and then retconned into a lie later, this was something they spent like 30 issues actively lying to the audience about on purpose, and clearly not to make some grand statement, but to make money off the hype.
Oh, and for the record, Tom King, Batman is more interesting when he isn't totally defined by edgy bullshit like I MUST BE MISERABLE OR ELSE I CAN'T HELP PEOPLE.
that's what Frank Miller kept trying to tell King when they were on a batman writers' panel: that Batman isn't really that miserable and enjoys what he does in a way
We need a Good, Bad and the Ugly with 3 Green Lantern issues. The Tom King Darkseid War one-shot, one of the Guy Gardner Warrior issues(maybe the christmas special?) and that Alan Moore issue with Mogo.
Also, you can do a Omega Men Back Issues if you want to wait on Vision to see if that new one not by King will be good or not
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH the best opening Ben 😂
Love the Klimt references.
Klimt is one of my favorite artists of the early 20th century.
Tom King's Batman is incredibly terrible I feel your pain Ben lol
Tiffany's "OH COME ON". I felt that. In my soul.
"No, you were thinking of that new CBS reality show that's a mix of Survivor, Bachelor in Paradise, and Big Brother." "...That's 'Love Island,' Dave."
my mouth dropped when you said it wasn't wanda and it's a doom bot. recon bullocks. i love the art and similar to hawkeye series i really liked. probably same artist
Good, Bad, Ugly Weddings in 2018. X-men Gold #30, Injustice 2 #69, Batman #50
I would LOVE to see Miracleman on BackIssues.
30:04. Ben is very disappointed in you.
Batman number 50? This is gonna be funny.
0:19 don’t worry Ben, I got the reference
Good Avengers, Bad Civil War, Ugly the Wedding . All of them are overhyped
Don't remember Big Fat Liar? Tiffany's expression during that exchange was wonderful.
Strange kind of looked like Robert Deniro in one panel
I’m glad Mar-vell never came back. His death is one of the few in comics that matters, and was incredibly heartbreaking to read, especially because it stuck.
Plus, you can’t just come back from cancer after you’ve DIED from it.
i mean technically it was time travel and he was going to die anyway so...
What do you mean?
Well, still, it just sort of lessens the effect of him dying so quickly, because now he has a lot of time left to say goodbye.
Haha!...OMG Paul Giamatti I remember that movie, very quippy Ben !
Ah this was back in a time when you couldn’t be a Tom King fan you had to be a Tom King apologist
I really prefer this shorter episode length for this series. And I can't wait for Vision on Back Issues!
Yes vision back issues pleaassee!
ben's reaction to tom king's batman is my reaction to tom king's batman
I truly loved and laughed how sal jyst moved past the big fat liar reference
death of captain marvel back issues brought me back!
0:24 Never change, Ben. Never change.
You guys should do another video on Mr miracle. I think everyone needs to remember a time when tom king didn't clickbait us
yooooooon how the crap did Sal not know about big fat lair lol
LOL i feel like im the only one who got the big fat liar reference
You should read the comments.
ComicPOP omg I was thinking the same thing after hitting enter and scrolling down 😂
And holy crap you guys replied! Hi from a fellow new Jerseyan in India at the moment 🤗
Hi!
Isn't the marketing team to blame for making the Batman wedding into this giant thing when Tom King wanted it to be the middle point of his story?
No. Tom King was all in on the push as well. And the marketing doesn't excuse the poor lead up to this issue. He doesn't get to say that the first 50 issues will be good after reading the second 50 issues. Issue 50's story fell flat after promising to be so much more. It deserves the panning it got. I love the art, and I loved 95% of the run up to the issue (I Am Bane being the exception), and then Tom King threw a bunch of cop out story beats in issue 50. And to make things worse, he just drops a final page reveal that makes absolutely no sense. No one bought a $4.99 Batman wedding issue to see Bane make a cameo.
Awesome episode! Agree totally
I got here early and thought this didn't pop up in my subbox
starting off the episode on a strong note i see
Why are there so few views on this exciting new "issue" of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly? Blasphemy!
Skellig Island was the porg ones....I was just there like 2 weeks ago
Fred Bushee no way! I have heard it's beautiful in person!
i mean....i was on the "mainland" i could see it in the distance but i didn't get to go out to it at all lmfao but the tour guide was like "that's the star wars island over there"
Surprised Death of Superman isnt on here
instantbadass maybe because he did die.
I think with death of superman that was a retcon. I think the writers fully intended him to die but they had to give a reason to why he came back
i think the batman wedding was the biggest lie
Guys, google Chonpiras to look for the live action clone of the plush toy Punisher you have in the background
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ben for the cringe.
Good joke Ben ! 😊lol (cow)
I dig the half hour good bad and ugly 😊
This is my favorite episode of this show
I think Tiff should have done the avengers book, she seemed like she enjoyed the story.
ben just gets me
The people in Gotham know that Selina is Catwoman?
27:44 I'm sure this is weird to point out, but I've started to notice that both Tiffany and Sal pronounce "Mario" as 'Mere-e-o" and not 'Mar-e-o'. Is that a New Jersey thing?
Alex Maleev art can either be really good or just look like edgy Tom Goes to the Mayor to me. His style really started to annoy me in his run on Daredevil.
Batman 50 turned me off to batman so much that it's the first time I dropped the title in 15 years. I just don't like kings batman at all... The bendis book i thought was really good at the time. It doesn't hold up because of retcons but still was a good book.
That fucking sucks! so Mar-Vell is going to stay dead forever ? Fuck Marvel! I can't believe they will never bring back Mar-Vell! it's not fair!
Batman 50 was a cash grab bankrupt book. The emotional moments were predictable.
Please do Vision! I sent it to you guys!
Am I the only one that thinks clint looks like the master from doctor who. The john simm one.
I knew it was a Captain Marvel LOL do know he was a scroll though
Anyway. The truth is that Tiffany looks gorgeous.
Batman vol 3 #50 was a predictably lit down and a joke
God damn it Tom King.
Scarlett Witch is THICC
Probably in the minority here but kings batman run is pretty great
Bat....
Cat.....
One of these IS a fat lie.
Nice jokes
Sal have you ever torn a comic apart because of how mad it made you?
its too bad cos Ivan Reis' art is spectacular
JustStat Bendis is cancer to Superman
Nope.
The batman one is just disappointing.
It's especially shitty because like if the wedding had actually happened I would have considered this Kings second "classic" story after War of Jokes & Riddles
It's ESPECIALLY shitty because this arc immediately following the wedding arc is awesome so far
Still though like every Snyder Batman story is a classic and King has two at most assuming this arc pans out it's buckwild
Woooooooooooooooooo
Lol
Was Ben high?