Self Defense In Buddhism
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2020
- Ashin Sarana answers the question of whether it is ever allowed to Buddhists to kill or harm anyone in defense (no, it is never allowed) and how can one preserve peace and safety in accordance with the Buddha's Teachings.
Filmed by Ko Aung Pye Phyo in a donor's home in Yangon, Myanmar, on the 2nd of February, 2020. Subtitles prepared Ko Aung Thu Lin. Filming equipment was donated by Daw Ayukalyani.
May all beings be happy and healthy. 🌞
Sorry, but this is too simplistic. The universe does not organize itself in special ways just to punish or reward one insignificant human being in exactly the same way that human being acted in the past. This is magical thinking. If I kill someone the chain reaction is that it will affect my life - because I become a criminal, people who knows about it will since now act differently, and also it will haunt me for the rest of my life - and it will affect the lives of people connected to the person I killed. And since all our lives will be changed by this act, our actions in the future will be different and they affect even other poeple in other ways, than if I didn't kill that first person. But it doesn't mean I will be killed as a sort of cosmic retribution.
Besides, the question was about self-defense. First, it might mean that I won't kill anybody, but I'll just defend myself and maybe I will be able to call the police and they will arrest the attacker. It's possible that this will actually affect the lives of many people in a good way as the criminal will not be able to attack them in the future. Or maybe I will kill that person in self-defense but since that person wanted to murder me, then again, it might have good consequences for the future.
Everything what you said also true those are true for this life. And not every persons haunted by their bad deed some might proud of it. The Monk is describe about the worst case scenario what if he have to kill some one as a Buddhist we have promised not to kill any living no matter what consequences but for normal people we can hit that people or animal and run but as per my knowledge Monks can't do so. Also we can't predict how will the karma be act on us only the Lord Buddha knows. The Monk giving a example that's it.
@@GihanJayaneththie : So, as I understand, you're saying that the monk Sarana didn't answer the question that was asked. The question was about self-defense, and it was more about self-defense of secular Buddhists, not about a monk who tries to reach nibbana in this life.
@@makingthematrix No he did but he didn't encourage to hit some one or thing too because it definitely will bring you consequences. Let me explain for normal people we have five "sila" (rules) which we have to practice even if it cost our life.
1 never to kill living
2 never steal
3 never cheat your partner
4 never lie
5 never Dink alcohol and drug also gamble
So for normal people we can beat a living creature sice we didn't kill it we haven't broke the sila Wich is good at the same time bad because the pain and suffering which that living creature felt will come back to us with greater magnitude. That's why Thr Monk said don't even beat the thing who comes to kill you because that action will bring more suffering in after lives. Why should you create more suffering because of one you have to bear today.
@@GihanJayaneththie Okay, but that wasn't the question. And besides, all that explanation that kamma will result in exactly the same consequence for us as what we did - a murder for a murder, etc. - that's ridiculous. That's just old superstitions.
If this is difficult for some then it means that you still are attached 2 this world, maya(illusion). When u break free from maya then u realize that "you" are nothing more then a spec within this universe and ALL is related. The body will die you will not🙏
Don't kill does not mean not killing for right of self defence.But there are circumstances or condition to think about.First you have no intention to kill or not premeditated.No provoking by you not invading the territory and also your conscious is clear but somebody try to kill you and invading your territory try to avoid first but you are cornered and unavoidable you can defend in anyway sometimes we have to do it for the sake of others as well as for us.Because we are also living life.
we are also one of the human.One of the noble nun killed her husband who tried to kill her.Then she became a nun and become noble nun.She attained Nibbana.Everything depend on conditions and circumstances boundaries limit level degrees.The criteria is no bad intention no beyond boundaries limit is only unavoidable and cornered inevitable conscious must be clear no lame excuses then we can do self defence.Everything is conditional.Buddhism is not dogmatic or pragmatic.We will go step by step and stick the criteria as mention above.Buddhism does not mean let other people do to me what ever they want.zWe have right to voice and self defence but stick to criteria.But no revenge for hurting and no premeditated.
I had a difficult time reading that, but i agree with you.
The entire point of martial arts is to be able to stop the fight in your favour. Learning the skill of avoiding the fight in the first place is the epitome of martial arts. Buddha was a black belt warrior! 🤛🧡🤜
Positivity, Stillness & Understanding will ALWAYS attract the opposite.
This fact must be accepted & understood universally...
Yet, Submitting to another with hurtful intention, only reinforces that behaviour as an Avenue of solution.
The Balance must be maintained.
I would happily take on the negative karma of my action if it means protecting someone, or possibly even many in case of mass attacks. To sit aside and allow such violence to take place when you have the ability to prevent it in order to avoid acting out bad karma is selfish, and adds another layer of negative action on top of what is happening. Furthermore, actions are very rarely (if ever) entirely "good" or "bad", positive or negative, and all have some combination of both - hence suffering is in everything. It's not black and white, its all some shade of gray. To think an action can be wholly good or wholly bad is dualistic thinking.
Yes, it seems the people know better than the monks. The Buddha killed millions of beings walking around to teach, and he also laughed at the rains retreat. He only gave into the rains retreat to avoid conflicts with the Jains. The point is that the Buddha's intent was to teach, not to murder creatures in and under the ground. As I see it, the major intent is a big circle, and little intents that follow fit into that circle, and are not superior to it.
Another example: the Buddha made others to appear foolish in debates, even mocking their foolishness and degrading them in public for their foolish views. But that was not his major intent. His major intention was to uncover and expose truth. So, the little bad things that followed were not relevant to kamma.
Also, it is foolish for these monks to say that all bad things that happen to us are a result of kamma. That is just stupid and in violation of what the Buddha taught. If a meteor falls on your head, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is a price of bad kamma. Or that you should not try to move out of the way, because you deserve it.
The Buddha said that kamma was too complex to think about. He also said that knowing all things is not necessary if we can just act virtuously. And virtue does not mean placing the life of another above our own. Nor does it mean allowing evil to triumph over what is wholesome and beneficial for all beings generally, given their respective consideration in the hierarchy of beings.
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@@chadkline4268 I feel like a meteor falling on ur head is also a bad deed. It doesnt have to be a conscious being to continue the karma cycle. Sometimes, it just happens. I absolutely agree with ur first comment and the original poster. In fact I never thought of the way u did: the major intent and the minor. When Buddha has not enlightened yet, he commited so much bad deeds whether for good intent or bad intent. Sometimes, he used violence and power to protect others and sometimes, he was just so obsessed with a girl that he did so many mistakes and sometimes he mocked others to show his superiority etc. In the end, it doesnt matter whether it was good intent or bad intent, the karma will always strike u certainly.
These were his sacrifice to become the Buddha and there is no other way around it. He will go to Hell, Heaven, Earth to become buddha. This is just my belief and feel free to correct me if I am wrong
Sakyamuni was very, very clear. Don't kill, and don't bother fighting back.
"Monks, even if bandits were to savagely sever you, limb by limb, with a double-handled saw, even then, whoever of you harbors ill will at heart would not be upholding my Teaching. Monks, even in such a situation you should train yourselves thus: 'Neither shall our minds be affected by this, nor for this matter shall we give vent to evil words, but we shall remain full of concern and pity, with a mind of love, and we shall not give in to hatred. On the contrary, we shall live projecting thoughts of universal love to those very persons, making them as well as the whole world the object of our thoughts of universal love - thoughts that have grown great, exalted and measureless. We shall dwell radiating these thoughts which are void of hostility and ill will.' It is in this way, monks, that you should train yourselves."
First it is difficult for me to accept some of those effects vs causes as if monk Sarana is able to see the consequences of one deed from a multitude of previous existences.
Second is that would be so and I follow your reasoning regarding bad karma, then I could assume that one small good deed could also bring 500 times a good karma.
If this is difficult for some then it means that you still are attached 2 this world, maya(illusion). When u break free from maya then u realize that "you" are nothing more then a spec within this universe and ALL is related. The body will die you will not🙏
@@MebbIraq Bliss You.
Don't take him seriously he's a wannabe.
First, he teaches/speak according to Buddha’s Dhamma. I understand it is difficult to accept by watching this short clips of video. To fully understand, one needs to learn Dhamma with curiosity, not with the mindset of rebellion.
Second, you are right. Your one small good deed can cause good effect to you many times. But make sure you did good thing out of pure love, for example, you donated someone in need with your pure heart (it can be even in your difficult situation). Make sure you did not do that out of wanting something good in return.
The amount of good deed will also differ depending on your nobelity, the recipient’s nobelity.
@@aungbhonemyat5131 You are talking about volition. As far as fully understanding Dhamma, I doubt many have a complete understanding. I know of some monks from your country who can almost recite by heart the Tipitaka, or have reach certain jana and yet fail. They fall for money or women.
As for volition, it seems to be more in the realm of parami. I know of drunkers having very generous heart while some Vipasana practitioners don't come close to the true generosity of those drunkers.
Sadhu sadhu sadhu 🙏
Yes, I'm not agree too...🙏
What monk said above is very similar to the other religions following.
In Buddhism, one should not be a sufferer for no reason. In defence you can protect yourself or other weak people too.
The King has to keep his sword out to protect his people of the kingdom. No matter if he has to kill the enemies to protect his own innocent people and keep the peace and freedom in his kingdom under his ruling.
Hence for peace, to protect and self defence it's ok to kill if necessary. 🙏🌱
In Buddhism, it is totally forbidden to kill anyway, let alone human, even to small bugs. What monk Sarana was saying is according to Buddha’s teaching. He intentionally never deviated his speech from Dhamma.
If you kill, you will certainly suffer from your sin whether you kill for pleasure or for protection of self or people.
But the amount of sin you will suffer will differ depending on your will and/or the level of nobelity of the person bringing killed.
So remember, you killed, your bad deed will follow you along your sansara until you have paid completely.
@@aungbhonemyat5131 I wouldn't call any action a sin, an action is an action and it carries its intrinsic karma. I mostly agree with your comment but using the word sin goes straight back to the judgemental approach to life.
@@TheEppi3 it should be my incompetence in the choice of vocabulary, I guess.
funny. when i was living in a buddhist temple in 1989 (i was very lucky got invited by a monk ) all of the monks were training thai boxing, and that very very impressive.
Well said. Sadhu, Sadhu, Sadhu.
If this was true, then the Vinaya would not say that it is OK for a monk to strike with a blow to secure his freedom. And the Vinaya does say that there is no blame in that.
Also, though I don't have a reference, I have heard that when nuns were allowing themselves to be raped, believing it to be a result of their kamma, the Buddha admonished them and demanded that they strike back with blows even if they proved fatal.
So, I do not agree with your interpretation of kamma. As I see it, it is a result of the INTENT, not the action, and that is what the Buddha said. If the intent is to preserve my life, the action of killing somebody is irrelevant if that was reasonably required or accidental in the process. Though there is likely intent to harm the attacker at some point, it is inferior to the larger encompassing intent to protect oneself. If a nun kills the rapist with the intent if preventing rape, there is no bad kamma.
This video is not teaching what is written.
The explanation on how the karma works ! Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu!!!
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Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu
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do they mean that if someone wants to hurt us physically we should sit and watch without self defense??
Those monks are foolish.
You can find peaceful way to stop them from harming you. If you intentionally let others to harm you, that is not smart or skillful way. If you are wise enough, there is always a way to save yourself from others harming you.
@@naturecure280 if there's no option other than hurting then shouldn't we protect ourselves instead of sitting and getting beat
@@rohit_starker34 It depends on what you mean by protecting ourselves. If that is peaceful way, yes we should protect ourselves. If you mean like shooting someone back, that's very bad. In some cases, we have to face our karma.
Lay down your weapons and say Huhuheehuhueehuee they will run away
အဲ့ဒါကိုမြန်မာလိုဟောထားတာမရှိဘူးလားဘုရား
Sadhu!Sadhu!Sadhu!
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What do they mean by several lifetimes? If mutiple incarnations exist how could ones actions carry over to another life? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary explanations yet we recieve none....
I find it insulting to victims of violence , sickness, and poverty that, according to some Buddhists, those people somehow deserve it as some form of punishment. As you said, absolutely no proof of such outlandish claims. If you ask me , those kinds of Buddhists are nothing more then spiritual narcissists.
There is no concept of rebirth in buddhisam ,then how you can say a person can suffer many many times , in buddhisam?? And if human have only one life then many people can escape without punishment for their bad karma and some even killed without doing any bad karma .
Then why there is kung fu in Buddhism?
No kunfu in buddhist tradition..
Kung Fu was developed by necessity to protect the Chinese monks not long ago. Nothing to do with original Buddha teaching.
Kung fu is Chinese thing. Not a teaching of Buddha
I'm a buddhist. I would be more than happy to take the negative karma of hitting someone for my self-defense. I wish the negative karma comes to me by me breacking leg or something not me being punched again.
Is death bad? Is Kali bad ? How can killing a murderer be bad?
😅nice teaching I would like to be like you 😅
Can karma system be "gamed"? For example someone murders a person and then this person intentionally saves 100 other persons from a certain death. Will the person still be killed for his murder. Alternatively, this person builds a huge pagoda for people. Will his evil deeds be "erased"?
If this is difficult for some then it means that you still are attached 2 this world, maya(illusion). When u break free from maya then u realize that "you" are nothing more then a spec within this universe and ALL is related. The body will die you will not🙏
do they mean that if someone is going to hurt us physically then we should sit and wait for them to do it with out self defense??
No, that's foolish.
He sounds like an American who is trying to sound foreign
he is Czech. and there is nothing about him that makes him sound any way. I sound that way too. Blessings.
@@thesoundmindgarden1306 I didn't realize Dr. Evil was Czech
@@bryancoggs2985 why do you make such remarks about people?
@@thesoundmindgarden1306 Do you know who Dr. Evil is?
@@bryancoggs2985 from the movie?
Some of the pali sutras disagree. Karma is not so deterministic.
So do you reincarnate into the same race ? Or say if I’m white, would I reincarnate into a black person
Is dude on the left dead?
There's no rights of self-defense in the Darma. You can't kill back for your life and especially for a monk who needs to practice the 4 fundamental precepts of the monks. A Theravada buddhist or a Theravada monk needs to let the killer kill without reaction.
Other religious believers can't understand what I said. If you kill back, you'll suffer back like the killer in the present life or the after-life. And the karma needs to be controlled and vanished or will continue. You'd be familiar with killing or committing the bad things without seeing what you do is right or wrong. You couldn't never control your karma if you let your karma go for always.
I have to explain so much to the people who aren't familiar to the Theravada Buddhism and Darma. Ok! Let's call it a day.
So, you are just going to watch as evil men rape Buddhist nuns? That's not Buddhism. That's sick and stupid. That is not virtue.
Karma certainly does make sense. However, some reasoning in this video is somewhat disturbing.
First of all, when someone is trying to hurt someone else, it doesn't always mean that the defnder had hurt the offender in some previous life. There may be cases that someone may initiate some action without similar previous causes. Afterall, eveything has a starting point.
Second of all, defending oneslef doesn't mean the defender has to kill or even hurt the offender. What kind of justice is there if the innocent is not to defend oneself? Karma does not mean one has to be a sitting duck.
Thirdly, it may be sending the wrong message to the offender if one doesn't defend oneself. The offender may think it is ok to hurt anyone thinking that it must be karma that entitles him/her to hurt those he/she wants to.
For sure no one in the sentient world can escape karma, but it doesn't mean that one should do nothing but accept any harm that comes to his/her way. Intention is a very important consituent of any thoughts or actions. If an intention is good and genuine, even hurting someone in order to save many is not undesirable. For instance, should Ukraine just sit and accept Vladmir Putin's assault and killing its millions of civilians? if someone can stop Vladimir Putin from slaughtering the Ukrainian civilians, one is doing much good even if hurting Putin is needed.
Bhikkhu, broad rhymes with rod in English. Other wise your English is very good.
Disagree. Kamma depends on our intentions.
You should understand the consequences of your political words dangerous to people's lives before preaching. You preached about revenge and paying back after life or chainreaction. Inadequate and wrong! The victims' family members won't kill back a killer because of the laws and revenge is too much rare. The killer suffers first for anxiety on people's hatred, a victim's dangerous reaction to his own life and getting arrested. His enviroment, own family and siblings aren't peaceful anymore in their daily life. Willingness to do the bad things comes from Karma. Do you know how to control and vanish the karma? Or I'll preach you later. I'm talking about the Wipatthanar Darma. Your preaching was a bit wrong. Look at the comments below! And donating isn't a primary task to a Theravada buddhists who already know cause and effect since their childhood and your defination to cause and effect was a bit wrong. Ashin Sarana!
Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu
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Sadhu!Sadhu!Sadhu!
Sadhu!Sadhu!Sadhu!
Sadhu!Sadhu!Sadhu!
Sadhu!Sadhu!Sadhu!