Timestamps: 0:00 - WiM Intro 1:05 - Helping Lightning Startups with In Wolf's Clothing 1:56 - Introducing Giovanni and Power Laws 3:12 - What is a Power Law? 10:41 - Bitcoin Power Law 17:49 - Bitcoin Price Power Law Linear/Log Charts 29:07 - The Art of Alpha Retreat 30:40 - The Farm at Okefenokee 32:07 - Chaos Theory and Nonlinear Systems 40:18 - Bitcoin Adoption Speed 48:39 - Bitcoin R-Squared Value 59:00 - Modeling Bitcoin Growth with Network Theory 1:05:58 - Heart and Soil Supplements 1:06:58 - Simplifying Bitcoin Power Law 1:11:02 - Hyperinflation of the Dollar 1:16:37 - Power Laws in Nature 1:28:54 - Austrian Economics and Power Laws 1:32:54 - Bitcoin’s Monetization Feedback Loop 1:46:57 - The Beauty of Bitcoin’s Difficulty Adjustment 1:50:56 - Metcalfe’s Law and Power Laws 1:58:21 - Bitcoin’s Price Support Power Law 2:02:19 - Trading Bitcoin’s Power Law 2:05:34 - Universal Power Law Examples 2:10:40 - Bitcoin Power Law Price Discussion
Thank you Robert for the incredible opportunity to discuss these topics with you. It is marvelous to discuss these ideas with an intelligent, informed, intuitive, and knowledgeable individual. Even when we didn't perfectly agree on something the conversation was respectful, we could come to some common agreement and move to the next idea and learn from each other. I consider this the best interview I have ever had, in fact, it was more like a philosophical discussion about the truth and beauty of Bitcoin by two passionate Bitcoin explorers. Thank you again, a strong Italian hug.
@@adambui7935that is some WILD philosophy 🧠 I read a little about it because I did not know what you meant…do you think that I could understand it without having a mathematics background? Would Pravir Malik’s book be a good start or is there something more apt for a “beginner explorer”?
I am going through this video for the second time. This round, I am doing 15 to 30 minutes sessions. So much to learn. Is absolutely incredible. Can't thank you enough.
A much more productive discussion with Gio. Thank you Robert and Gio. I think Mr Minesh Bhiindi should take note on how to hold a civil conversation and remain humble.
This man is incredible. A true thinker and scientist and true Bitcoiner. I really enjoyed the discussion and the deep concepts. It seems Bitcoin is truly a special asset and there is no doubt it follows a power law. I just ordered the book "Scale".
This power law idea that reigns in growth and over extention to avoid destruction is elegant and makes a ton of sense. All you have to do is think of Empires, Fiat, Cancer, Lemmings, etc., to see that unchecked growth always leads to destruction. Maybe I'm crazy but it seems that God crafted the Bitcoin protocol to me, possibly a time traveler from the future, I don't know - but it truly blows my mind that it works so well. How did a human mind juggle all the variables and weight them with such accuracy - amazing.
I will be forever grateful to you, you changed my entire life and I will continue to preach on your behalf for the whole world to hear you saved me from huge financial debt with just a small investment, thank you Kimberly Ann Doran.
Wow. I'm a bit perplexed seeing her been mentioned here also Didn’t know she has been good to so many people too this is wonderful, I'm in my fifth trade with her and it has been super.
I just withdrew my profits a week ago, To be honest it was an amazing feeling when the profits hits my wallet I wish I could reinvest but, too much bills.
This was amazing gentleman, hats off to both of you, I would like to say around 2040 - 45 inflation will double I don’t believe it will be in hyperinflation territory. Bitcoin will be around $10 Million at this point also. Bitcoin is nature and it is a beautiful network that I will never forget about. 🎉
I’m maths stupid and thick tbh but found this to be hugely interesting. So good you’re both having a sensible, enjoyable and friendly (Saylor would say cheerful) chat. 😃
Don’t be sorry to interrupt, Robert, you could hardly get a word in edgewise with this guy.😂 Great job keeping him on track and boiling it down for the layperson.
Bro, Robert. Thank you so much for your work, the show, and for giving a platform to so many really brilliant people in Bitcoin. Just as positive feedback, you should consider giving the guest a little more space. Let them think and have space to elaborate and express their ideas without trying to squeeze them to force them to get to the point or talk faster. Also the uh-hums and yeps were really distracting when trying to juggle scientific jargon on my mind for this particular episode. Please, please dial distractions and let people speak the valuable ideas they came to your show to express.
Is there any legitimate pushback to Giovanni's work by an equally credentialed person? Is there an opposing view that has credibility? Would love to see the 'other side of the coin' so to speak, if there is one... Cheers.
Nobody has an argument that isn't simply based on hope. Thats for sure. They think their hope is based on logic, because they have thought about it logically, but it is still just hope and has no affirmative data, in the way that giovanni presents, to back it up.
880 days to $1, 11th of February 2011 is a 8 day also. 1 million dollar prediction is 2033, 2+0+3+3=8, an 8 year. 8 is the number of wealth in numerology, and every milestone is hitting on a 8 energy time stamp
I don’t know if this power law is correct, but I can’t understand how it could possibly know where inflation will be in the future. I don’t believe it can tell us this - maybe something was lost in translation, here. I’d like more clarity on this.
$500/mo. purchase of Bitcoin would equate to $8,500 purchase of Bitcoin in Gio's 2033 $1M estimate. Or $500/mo. for 1 year = $100,000/yr in 2033 projection. That may be a useful perspective for those plebs DCA'in into BTC.
Only time will tell which, if any, model is correct. It's still super interesting. This environment suits Giovanni much better. The show with Britishhodl was unwatchable.
That’s because British HODL just wanted to speak rather than listen. When you speak you’re only saying what you already know. When you listen you learn. Giovanni’s mistake was to stoop to his level and to try and reason with stupid.
I’m your average , who actually struggled to make it through bitcoin and I retired when I was 55, here’s how I did it. Find a trader like Christina to handle your trade Became an investor, so you make twice as much as you trade. You’re going to work your ass off. Buy everything for cash. Put the max in your 401K, so you’re not paying any taxes on that money. Pay as much as you can on your house payment. Drive a basic car, when I was working I had a Honda Civic and rode my bicycle to work. Draw the money from your 401K so you pay no or as little possible in taxes. I’m 65 now, live in CA and my life is awesome
awesome! I really have a question. For someone with less than $5,000 to invest, how would you recommend we enter the crypto market? I am looking at studying some traders and copying their strategy rather than investing myself and losing money emotionally. What's your take on this approach? ...........
Sorry for commenting that Breedlove. But you have interrupted the interviwee too many times. It cuts his thought process more than normal. Dont be as Jordan Peterson interviewing Elon Musk!
!I recently sold some of my long-term position and currently sitting on about 250k, do you think Nvidia is a good buy right now or I have I missed out on a crucial buy period, any good stock recommendation on great performing stocks will be appreciated.
I managed to grow a nest egg of around 120k to over a Million. I'm especially grateful to Adviser Bruce Murdock, for his expertise and exposure to different areas of the market.
I lost over $80k when everything started to tank. Not because I was in an exchange that went belly up. I was just stupid to hold and because that's what everyone said. I'm still responsible. It just taught me to be a better investor now that I understand more of what could go wrong. It took me over two years of being in the market, I'm really grateful I found one source to recover my money, at least $10k profits weekly. Thanks Aaron .
If you price BTC in a currency that grows exponentially, and this price follows a power law, then this price will go to zero in inflation adjusted terms. If the power law holds, bitcoin will fail.
No, because the inflation growth rate is nothing in comparison with the growth of the power law. It is true that an exponential always catches up with a power law but the question is when? For example the SP500 (that is driven mostly by inflation) will catch up with the power law in 40 years. By then we will have hyperbitcoinization.
@@quantonomyhyperbitcoinization is when the exponential of inflation catches up with the power law and destabilizes the usd-denominated financial world. Bitcoin is how we stay ahead. It sounds like power law is trying to hold back the safety net from working.
BitBoy Crypto has a doppelganger - this guy struggles with keeping simple and Breedlove does not help it either with his constant acknowledgements - annoying
Silly…How does the model handle a worldwide financial collapse or multiple large countries buying Bitcoin or some unforeseen black swan. No way to model that
@@adambui7935 I would say Giovanni did a pretty good job modeling it! AND, we all know it’s not money!! No use arguing, time will tell who is right. BUT, for the first15 years, Giovanni’s power Law is firmly In the lead!
Timestamps:
0:00 - WiM Intro
1:05 - Helping Lightning Startups with In Wolf's Clothing
1:56 - Introducing Giovanni and Power Laws
3:12 - What is a Power Law?
10:41 - Bitcoin Power Law
17:49 - Bitcoin Price Power Law Linear/Log Charts
29:07 - The Art of Alpha Retreat
30:40 - The Farm at Okefenokee
32:07 - Chaos Theory and Nonlinear Systems
40:18 - Bitcoin Adoption Speed
48:39 - Bitcoin R-Squared Value
59:00 - Modeling Bitcoin Growth with Network Theory
1:05:58 - Heart and Soil Supplements
1:06:58 - Simplifying Bitcoin Power Law
1:11:02 - Hyperinflation of the Dollar
1:16:37 - Power Laws in Nature
1:28:54 - Austrian Economics and Power Laws
1:32:54 - Bitcoin’s Monetization Feedback Loop
1:46:57 - The Beauty of Bitcoin’s Difficulty Adjustment
1:50:56 - Metcalfe’s Law and Power Laws
1:58:21 - Bitcoin’s Price Support Power Law
2:02:19 - Trading Bitcoin’s Power Law
2:05:34 - Universal Power Law Examples
2:10:40 - Bitcoin Power Law Price Discussion
To be fair, *British HODL* dismantled this guy and murdered the spaghetti in the process.
hi thanks, where can we find the slides?
@@h2w25the only thing he dismantled was his reputation. Argued like a kid.
@@arbo3495 ha! Guys, we found Giovanni’s burner account!!!
Thank you Robert for the incredible opportunity to discuss these topics with you. It is marvelous to discuss these ideas with an intelligent, informed, intuitive, and knowledgeable individual. Even when we didn't perfectly agree on something the conversation was respectful, we could come to some common agreement and move to the next idea and learn from each other. I consider this the best interview I have ever had, in fact, it was more like a philosophical discussion about the truth and beauty of Bitcoin by two passionate Bitcoin explorers. Thank you again, a strong Italian hug.
That was amazing sir! Incredible work.
bitcoin is not money
@@adambui7935 What is Bitcoin?
definitely it is not money, it is 2nd singularity
@@adambui7935that is some WILD philosophy 🧠
I read a little about it because I did not know what you meant…do you think that I could understand it without having a mathematics background?
Would Pravir Malik’s book be a good start or is there something more apt for a “beginner explorer”?
I agree, Giovanni. Your best ever. Robert’s style and pace helped you to make your points very clearly. Bravo
It’s beautiful to watch Giovanni break it down like this instead of arguing with imbeciles on twitter
excatly my thoughts
I am going through this video for the second time. This round, I am doing 15 to 30 minutes sessions. So much to learn. Is absolutely
incredible. Can't thank you enough.
A much more productive discussion with Gio. Thank you Robert and Gio. I think Mr Minesh Bhiindi should take note on how to hold a civil conversation and remain humble.
This man is incredible. A true thinker and scientist and true Bitcoiner. I really enjoyed the discussion and the deep concepts. It seems Bitcoin is truly a special asset and there is no doubt it follows a power law. I just ordered the book "Scale".
Dropping this before the long weekend - great timing - now I have to find 2 hours of free time!
Yes!
bitcoin is not that why it is 2nd singularity
This power law idea that reigns in growth and over extention to avoid destruction is elegant and makes a ton of sense.
All you have to do is think of Empires, Fiat, Cancer, Lemmings, etc., to see that unchecked growth always leads to destruction.
Maybe I'm crazy but it seems that God crafted the Bitcoin protocol to me, possibly a time traveler from the future, I don't know - but it truly blows my mind that it works so well.
How did a human mind juggle all the variables and weight them with such accuracy - amazing.
The master class on power curves.
Whay a blessing
Giovanni makes a lot more sense after this pod, well done
I will be forever grateful to you, you changed my entire life and I will continue to preach on your behalf for the whole world to hear you saved me from huge financial debt with just a small investment, thank you Kimberly Ann Doran.
Wow. I'm a bit perplexed seeing her been mentioned here also Didn’t know she has been good to so many people too this is wonderful, I'm in my fifth trade with her and it has been super.
The very first time we tried, we invested $2000 and after a week, we received $9500. That really helped us a lot to pay up our bills.
That woman has changed my life for good. I attended her investment class couple of weeks last year and she’s the best when it comes for Guidance.
This sounds so good and I would like to be a party to it, is there any way I can speak with her?
I just withdrew my profits a week ago, To be honest it was an amazing feeling when the profits hits my wallet I wish I could reinvest but, too much bills.
So excited to give this a listen! Thanks for putting this out right before the long weekend!
Thanks Robert and Giovanni. This was an amazing and needed conversation.
Holy crap, bitboy has gotten really smart.
Good one😂
Haha 😂 that made me chuckle 👍🏼
Lol 😂
Lol
Looks like him I thought it was him at first lol
Gio is the man. Glad Breedlove is genius compared to BritishHodl. Arguments rule. Ty both.
This is truly amazing. 🤯
I was waiting for that interview for so long!!!
Great show. Where can we find these 120 slides? Any download option?
Set Playback speed to 1.25 …. Save some time. Great video!!
u da real mvp
Gio is so very smart, and yet so very humble. much respect!
Oh, i'm sitting down for this one. 👌🏻
This was amazing gentleman, hats off to both of you, I would like to say around 2040 - 45 inflation will double I don’t believe it will be in hyperinflation territory. Bitcoin will be around $10 Million at this point also. Bitcoin is nature and it is a beautiful network that I will never forget about. 🎉
Gio is an exceptional scientist and teacher
Great episode...thank you Robert and Giovanni.
Wonderful interview!
Big fan of Plan G . First time I could finish an interview though. It took Robert to keep him marshalled in and focused. Huge appreciation for this
Loved Giovanni in his best shape. Focused and sharp. Also love he made an effort and trimmed his hair and beard. Bravo!
Was anyone able to find where he uploaded the 120 slides to?
Incredible interview. Amazing. 😊😊
this was brilliant thanks.
simply fascinating, many thanks for sharing
This is like an Aristotle & Archimedes collab
Great job!!!
I’m maths stupid and thick tbh but found this to be hugely interesting. So good you’re both having a sensible, enjoyable and friendly (Saylor would say cheerful) chat. 😃
Forever student of Bitcoin❤️👍
Grande Giovanni 🙌🙏🌊
Love Giovani
Amazing stuff thank you
Clearly Kardden was a right choice. Hope to learn more from you this is pure knowledge
Anyone find the slide deck in the show notes?
Doesn’t appear to be there
Thanks I bought Kardden and I can't be more happy about it
Great learning!
We should definitely be measuring BTC in energy, even now. An elastic dollar is a horrible measuring stick.
Thanks, please make another video about Kardden I prefer Kardden that is strong
Don’t be sorry to interrupt, Robert, you could hardly get a word in edgewise with this guy.😂 Great job keeping him on track and boiling it down for the layperson.
fascinating
thanks
Bro, Robert. Thank you so much for your work, the show, and for giving a platform to so many really brilliant people in Bitcoin. Just as positive feedback, you should consider giving the guest a little more space. Let them think and have space to elaborate and express their ideas without trying to squeeze them to force them to get to the point or talk faster. Also the uh-hums and yeps were really distracting when trying to juggle scientific jargon on my mind for this particular episode. Please, please dial distractions and let people speak the valuable ideas they came to your show to express.
Good one!
Excellent
question : what do u eat to get biceps like that ??
I can’t find the link to the slides. Does anybody have it?
the thumbnail looked like the Bitcoin Power Claw!
Kardden Token time! This thing is lifting up in ways nobody did before
Awesome.
Amazing thanks a lot
the most fair approach and yet the ultimate king of meme is Kardden
Giovanni said bitcoin had appreciated by 100,000,000 times. Interesting connection with 100,000,000 satoshis per 1 BTC.
This guy is crazy smart
To Giovanni's point: Governments already own BTC.
What would happen if everything became tokenized and the value of these tokens was determined entirely by the people?
My professor!!!
Fred is that you ?
Kardden movement begins and everyone is like acting crazy. Let's bring it up!
At what time stamp do they talk about when it hits $1m?
I respect your work mate so you say Kardden good one to use?
Is there any legitimate pushback to Giovanni's work by an equally credentialed person? Is there an opposing view that has credibility? Would love to see the 'other side of the coin' so to speak, if there is one... Cheers.
Thousands of years of monetary history including many examples of fiat hyperinflation
Nobody has an argument that isn't simply based on hope. Thats for sure. They think their hope is based on logic, because they have thought about it logically, but it is still just hope and has no affirmative data, in the way that giovanni presents, to back it up.
Part 2 is in the future i hope
880 days to $1, 11th of February 2011 is a 8 day also. 1 million dollar prediction is 2033, 2+0+3+3=8, an 8 year. 8 is the number of wealth in numerology, and every milestone is hitting on a 8 energy time stamp
Kardden Token is awaiting major CEX listings. It's possible to hit 100x this year.
Is Bitcoin exponential or not ? At the slide "Bitcoin price averaged over 4years" it looks like it is 🤔
No it isnt, Giovanni has researched extensively and has shown through many examples and charts that it is not an exponential.
I don’t know if this power law is correct, but I can’t understand how it could possibly know where inflation will be in the future. I don’t believe it can tell us this - maybe something was lost in translation, here.
I’d like more clarity on this.
$500/mo. purchase of Bitcoin would equate to $8,500 purchase of Bitcoin in Gio's 2033 $1M estimate. Or $500/mo. for 1 year = $100,000/yr in 2033 projection. That may be a useful perspective for those plebs DCA'in into BTC.
Kardden making ATH after ATH 🔥🔥
Only time will tell which, if any, model is correct. It's still super interesting. This environment suits Giovanni much better. The show with Britishhodl was unwatchable.
completely agree...that show did not do either of them any favours, they both looked terrible in that debate.
That’s because British HODL just wanted to speak rather than listen. When you speak you’re only saying what you already know. When you listen you learn. Giovanni’s mistake was to stoop to his level and to try and reason with stupid.
The only other crypto that follows a power law is Kaspa. And it's more aggressive than BTC power law, hence greater price appreciation.
I’m your average , who actually struggled to make it through bitcoin and I retired when I was 55, here’s how I did it. Find a trader like Christina to handle your trade
Became an investor, so you make twice as much as you trade.
You’re going to work your ass off.
Buy everything for cash.
Put the max in your 401K, so you’re not paying any taxes on that money.
Pay as much as you can on your house payment.
Drive a basic car, when I was working I had a Honda Civic and rode my bicycle to work.
Draw the money from your 401K so you pay no or as little possible in taxes.
I’m 65 now, live in CA and my life is awesome
awesome! I really have a question. For someone with less than $5,000 to invest, how would you recommend we enter the crypto market? I am looking at studying some traders and copying their strategy rather than investing myself and losing money emotionally. What's your take on this approach?
...........
I fail to see how rapidly higher price would cause the network to self destruct.
Change cannot be too quick... else we'll have roits n all... btc. needs to grow organically, which is what is the max cap in the mathematical model
Thought that was Ben Armstrong 😂
Is the hockey stick when Satoshi was buying up all his wallets?
Sa(n)tos(tas)i
Buying Kardden Today Is Like the Bitcoin pizza back then. One day people will acknowledge it
Dark Krugman
Oh no. If my mom hears 6 and Bitcoin she will never buy cause it is Satan's number LMAO
Dos studs
After all the bad years Kardden is our savior
I clicked on this thinking bitboy crypto is explaining the power law.
Bro looks like Benardo Bernacci
👍
I’m distracted by your comments during his explanations.
It makes the conversation frantic.
You need to restrain comments while your guest is talking.
Sorry, but I just find the thought of eating organ supplements revolting, regardless of the nutrient content...Apart from that, a very good video
Kardden please get going high
Sorry for commenting that Breedlove. But you have interrupted the interviwee too many times. It cuts his thought process more than normal. Dont be as Jordan Peterson interviewing Elon Musk!
!I recently sold some of my long-term position and currently sitting on about 250k, do you think Nvidia is a good buy right now or I have I missed out on a crucial buy period, any good stock recommendation on great performing stocks will be appreciated.
You need an expert. I'm guided by Adviser Bruce Murdock a widely known consuitant.
I managed to grow a nest egg of around 120k to over a Million. I'm especially grateful to Adviser Bruce Murdock, for his expertise and exposure to different areas of the market.
nice! once you hit a big milestone, the next comes easier. How can i reach him, if you don't mind me asking?
look up his name on the web for his website.
I've just looked up his full name on my browser and found his webpage without sweat, very much appreciate this.
Kardden Token will moonshoot after CEX listing..
I lost over $80k when everything started to tank. Not because I was in an exchange that went belly up. I was just stupid to hold and because that's what everyone said. I'm still responsible. It just taught me to be a better investor now that I understand more of what could go wrong. It took me over two years of being in the market, I'm really grateful I found one source to recover my money, at least $10k profits weekly. Thanks Aaron .
@Aaront44 that's it...
@Aaront44 .... 🌟🌟
bitcoin is not money that is why it behaviour in this way
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If you price BTC in a currency that grows exponentially, and this price follows a power law, then this price will go to zero in inflation adjusted terms. If the power law holds, bitcoin will fail.
No, because the inflation growth rate is nothing in comparison with the growth of the power law. It is true that an exponential always catches up with a power law but the question is when? For example the SP500 (that is driven mostly by inflation) will catch up with the power law in 40 years. By then we will have hyperbitcoinization.
@@quantonomyhyperbitcoinization is when the exponential of inflation catches up with the power law and destabilizes the usd-denominated financial world. Bitcoin is how we stay ahead. It sounds like power law is trying to hold back the safety net from working.
BitBoy Crypto has a doppelganger - this guy struggles with keeping simple and Breedlove does not help it either with his constant acknowledgements - annoying
Silly…How does the model handle a worldwide financial collapse or multiple large countries buying Bitcoin or some unforeseen black swan. No way to model that
corona
It’s built in using the upper and lower lines. The price can vary within those two lines.
bitcoin is not money, bitcoin is not money that is why you can model it, hellllllllllllo
@@adambui7935 I would say Giovanni did a pretty good job modeling it! AND, we all know it’s not money!! No use arguing, time will tell who is right. BUT, for the first15 years, Giovanni’s power Law is firmly
In the lead!
Thats the point. It will handle it. The gravity around that floor is as sure as planetary orbit.