Shakespeare, Nashe, Greene, & Peele: Robert Prechter on Oxford's Voices
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Robert Prechter, author of Oxford's Voices, visits the Blue Boar Tavern to discuss how Robert Greene, Thomas Nashe, George Peele, William Shakespeare, and other figures of the English Renaissance may have been literary personas of Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford. Bob joins regulars Bonner Miller Cutting, Bryan Wildenthal, Dorothea Dickerman, Phoebe Nir, and bartender Jonathan Dixon for a drink and exploration of the political and personal uses of pseudonyms, allonyms, pen names, and front men in early modern England.
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Recorded on October 25, 2023.
I have now watched this video 3 times and the research is incredible.
Wonderful discussion. Wish I could get my English department grad school friends from early 1980's to listen and entertain Oxford as the writer, but I've already been dismissed. Seems enquiry is dead, and the Western tradition of the pursuit of knowledge has been reined in. Thus, all your work is so important. Thank you.
Younger people are more open-minded
Motivated to "make up" lots of other erudite voices and exalters to express his own burning Patriotism for England is a beautiful explanation for why Oxford used the allonyms. And by extension, his motivation must have been on a very personal level also: to build justification, respect, and honor for the heritage and standing of his father, John DeVere, who died so conveniently when Oxford was 12, and his real family's role in creating England, - the family that was taken away from him at such a young age and coopted by self interested politicians and social climbers. He had an axe to grind born of childhood trauma, and thank goodness for the rest of us, that axe was fashioned and sharpened into the most illustrious weapon, or spear, the world has EVer known. What an amazing contribution to the authorship question and to the cause of Truth itself that you are making, Robert Prechter. Thank you!!
Hear him, hear him!
Yay Robert! Amazing research. 👌👍💥
Queen Elizibeth the 1st grew up and lived in a house where the scenes of Ovid's Metamorphosis were plastered on the walls. That was where she felt most relaxed and most at home. Then along came Edward De Veer, the greatest scholar on Metamorphosis the world has ever known. He definitely had her number. :)
Nonesuch Palace?
When are you going to have Kathrine Chiljan in the bar?
Always enjoy these chats! As a convinced Oxfordian, it is amazing how many varieties of opinion we welcome, although there is the occasional heated discussion (ahem!). Some of the latest Oxfordian 25 articles being a good example. BTW I recently read a collection of the works of Thomas Nashe...what convinced me that Nashe was "a voice of Oxford" was the number of quotations from Ovid in his works. I reckon around 70-80% of all the Latin quotations in Nashe's works are his! The way I see it, Nashe is like a character acted by Oxford, a kind of extended voice of "Feste" from Twelfth Night.
Congratulations. Are you in the market for some land in Arizona?
I think you’re on to something with your observations of Nashe’s many references to Ovid, similar to that of Shakespeare, which supports Prechter’s theory. So please disregard the yet another dismissive comment made by the professor. It does not go unnoticed that he only comments exclusively to Prechter’s videos. Not sure why, but the professor seems a little frustrated and a lot intransigent. Oh, well .....
Phoebe, your contribution to this conversation is enormous by explaining how common it is for people to create various personae today for on-line publications or posts or tiktoks. . I wish I were comfortable with the technology to do that! I have such strong feelings and want to post rants about politics, and religion, and Shakespeare authorship, and, and, and, - but I freeze with dread imagining the blowback to which I would be subjecting myself, so I usually forbear. I guess this cat got out of the bag a while ago - Putin had it figured out in 2016 and we're all still trying to catch up.
That Oxenford never disappoints
Top notch again folks!!❤
Robert Green? The 'Robber', Green (VERt, en français), who will rob, get away with, credit for my work. Just a pun but a possible one.
Just so intriguing..
A point in Claire Cross's (1966 edition)"The Puritan Earl" about Henry (and Francis) Hastings, that clearly supports this: on page 45, it states how "....publishing controversial works in his own name little became a well-born knight." It makes perfect sense that the nobility would strive to rise above such worldly matters as polemics, yet still feel an overwhelming need to communicate their thoughts.
TheOrton used to write scathing letters from ‘Edna Welthorpe’, a stuck-up old woman who was scandalised by the loose morals and youth culture of the Sixties. Later, when he was himself a successful, scandalous playwright, Orton used the Welthorpe character to send letters to the papers critiquing his own plays, as a way to mock the priggish way that real critics and prudes came after him.Sixties. Later, when he was himself a successful, scandalous playwright, Orton used the Welthorpe character to send letters to the papers critiquing his own plays, as a way to mock the priggish way that real critics and prudes came after him.
This is absolutely a wonderful panel discussion. Thank you to all , you are truly amazing
Speaking of writing from beyond the grave, how did De Vere manage to collaborate with John Fletcher on The Two Noble Kinsmen from the spirit world? :-)
How did Shaksper manage to write half the plays years after he died, since they don't appear in the historical record until then?
Collaborate and Co-write are two different things.
If Shakespeare and Fletcher shared ideas then it's a collaboration
If Fletcher finished a work that Shakespeare left unfinished then it's co-writing.
Shakespeare and Fletcher may have co-wrote Two Noble Kinsmen, but there is no evidence that they collaborated.
It's increasingly obvious that Stratfordian arguments are easily swatted away. There arguments are beyond desperate.
Thank you. 🙏
so he had to give each a play so they wouldn't be noticed?
please excuse but: shakes pee r, shakes pe er, shakes pee er. how was it done then?
Great chat, but Oxford is not Samuel Daniel.
Its too bad that the Blue Boar didn't invite Ros Barber to comment.
40:51 Excellent counterpoint. Prechter and many Oxfordians don't know what to do with Leicester... Sidney lurks in the distance.
46:21 Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Stylistic consideration must still occur and be explained. We could have hired hands or misdirection yet. This is one of the many reasons I struggle with Prechter.