Its so interesting to see how the rules and techiniques are identical to all CG projects. I worked on an all CG car commerical at Digital Domain and each shot where the camera flipped 180 degrees we had two sun objects and sun lights in each shot. You never saw them at the same time, but we lit every shot to look great from whatever camera angle we were at. When you are looking for it its obvious but 99% of people never would.
This type of lighting breakdowns are so helpful in learning lighting for cinema, please keep them coming. These breakdowns are the most useful or the best videos from you so far including the previous one too. A huge thanks to you... Love from India
bro u learn from youtube and spam on facebook lighting groups! chill man ! saw u a couple of times lecturing on cinematography groups until someone snapped and called ur incessant preaching on FB groups
Hell or High Water is the shooting style I strive for on my personal projects. I love that wide look that showcases the world that the characters are in. A lot of the same elements that are seen in No Country for Old Men.
“What does a medium look like for our film? What does a wide?” That section of the video resonated with me. I’ve worked on a few indi short films for friends in school and in general. No budget, the crew basically fills multiple role, the DP is the cam op, etc. and when you said the cinematographer’s job is to basically keep a specific style throughout the film I just hadn’t thought of it like that. The thing separating student films from budgets with professional cinematographers IS that consistency. Those specific choices made that can only come from someone with extensive knowledge of shot composition and lighting. Such an excellent video. Thank you for helping out the newbies in the industry who want to get better everyday.
Dude, THANK YOU for doing this in-depth analysis. They help me understand what goes through these DP's brains so much more. This is my new drug of choice.
Me & a couple buddies watched Hell & High Water 3 years ago after dropping some LSD. Whole movie I couldn’t understand English. Humbling experience for all the foreigners out there. With that said, even I picked up on the color grade slip during all that.
A takeaway I've been getting from many of your videos is that light direction continuity matters very little. I used to be a continuity snob, and though I've eased off that stance lately, it's pretty humbling that even when I considered it the 'most important thing' I probably missed nearly all light-direction discontinuities.
Excellent video, this is definitely a film school. Could you make another video like this but show more low budget movies like you did with Hell or High Water? It would be interesting to see how these types of films squeeze all the resources they have to achieve those incredible shots. Greetings from Panama !🇵🇦
I love when you do these! I’d love for you to do some of the Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts series movies. I love how the look changes as the HP series progresses and I love the cinematography in general. I’d love to see your breakdowns on those.
Just found your channel, and I hate it! I hate it so much that I watched more than half of your videos today 🤣 Thank you so much for making good content.
Excellent content ! How do you get cleaner shadow by stopping down the camera aperture or using ND? Both ways camera sensor is getting less lights. Can you explain, please? I have been using Low ISO 320-640 to get cleaner dark if my scenes are dark. or Base or Higher ISO to get my highlights clean. or shoot +1 stop over and stop down in the post for clean shadows.
A lot of DPs I've worked with usually pick an aperture and stick with it throughout the entire scene, so sometime an ND is needed even in a night scene. Also, sometimes using a low ISO makes it difficult to control your highlights in dark scenes given how much contrast there is, so using the base ISO is more ideal in some cases.
Well, you DON'T stop down for a cleaner signal, quite the opposite. Your logic is correct. I think he tried to said that they rated the camera base iso 1 stop down as you said, losing sensor latitude above middle gray and gaining it below. Effectively improving your signal/noise ratio for that scenes.
These breakdowns have been fantastic. Great idea, well executed, I’d dare say my favorite thing you guys have done. If I may be so bold..please continue to produce these. I subscribed against your wishes, sorry.
I liked, subscribed and hit the bell, so there lol. Where are these behind the scenes videos available? Thanks, your videos are very informative and presented in an interesting way
This was very much needed info and actually raised a question I have! Given that they’re using anamorphic lenses, they’re getting a wider angle than regular spherical lenses which gives the set more importance in the shot as you mentioned. For an action project I just started I plan on using the Atlas Orion 2X anamorphic lenses. But the fight scenes are focused on the main two characters and I’d want to focus all the attention on their fight and the story being told through it, not the background. With that being said would you think it be better if I shot spherical, or stay with my anamorphic choice?
@Epic Light Media - In spite of the lack of vision and/or budget for proper on camera talent, I can say that this video was quite good. Signed - The GED class of 2022..
Great video! I am learning a ton; thank you so much. However, the volume was much louder and blown out compared to your other video that linked to getting me here. That must be why you are a lighting guy and not a sound guy. lol.
Don’t want to be that guy but @ 00:42 you said the Arri Alexa 65 XT, the 65 doesn’t have an XT version. I really enjoyed the video, always fun seeing lighting and cinematography deep dives
There is an upstage key “modified” the HMI outside is meant to hit him towards the waist and is diffused on top with frost or 1/4 grid cloth . The upstage key is enhancing the window kick and help sell it as a major source of their illumination . You forgot to mention that . The bounce from the towel isnt enough to open up giving the size of the towel . specially when he steps a bit forward . In the medium two shot you can clearly see the effect of the upstage lighting and you can see it on their faces as well as an edge on their hair . You can see it clearly in the behind the scenes near the fridge .you can achieve a similar effect by adding a couple of s60’s with a softbox and grid . Also the upstage key is warmer and this helps enhance the effect of the greens “ of the walls and interiors “ because without it you won’t see the effect those colors bring to the scene . Anamorphics or not for me I basically think its just a flavor . What lies underneath the lensing options are way more important .
In this and some of your other videos you bring up the subject of catchlights in the eyes of actors. As a DP for micro budget films here in the Atlanta area, I am always looking at catchlights. For example in TV cop shows such as "Law and Order", a bad guy will be filmed being interviewed in a small dimly lit dungeon of a room but the talent will have a bright catchlight! Could you perhaps make a video just about catchlights, how to make them, when to create them (or not) and how bright should they be? Back before digital, didn't DPs use a grain of wheat light bulb as a tiny bare bulb light source - possibly with a dimmer? What would an equivalent light source be these days, an LED? A second video suggestion is a subject dear to my heart: production stills. How to work with a stills photographer and how give the stills photographer time after takes to do their thing. This is because not every good looking publicity still has the same composition as the blocked scene - verticals, for example. Thank you. Terry Thomas DP & Stills Atlanta, Georgia USA PS I use Nikkor prime and zoom lenses when I DP micro budget films - I can't afford anamorphic or those beautiful Zeiss lenses you show so often.
I would absolutely love to see a video on shooting bright and bringing the exposure down in cam. I never really thought of it as a tool to combat noise. I can imagine this technique being extremely useful, for BM users especially. Im assuming ya really have to work with good lighting ratios in order to make it look believable eh?
The is actually incorrect. Light levels are the same to a camera sensor, whether it passes through an ND filter or not. To actually get a cleaner image, you shoot a 1/3 stop to a half stop brighter in camera and then bring it down in post.
Very good. Let's do this more often, but it's still good if you show an example of how to achieve such lighting in a scene. Friend, say hello to your family
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"This was shot on Mexico city so the fluorescent lights were probably changed". Yeah because all the lights in Mexico are orange. Lol
Ever since I learned about lighting principles regarding camera placement and eyeline, it has really been bothering me to see the dark side of the face closer to the camera in cases where it makes absolutely no sense. For some reason I can't unsee that now.
Hi, I don't really agree at around 9:55 ! I did not watch the movie honestly but from your video you posted I must disagree with you about that lighting you explained. I think this scene was shot in 2 different days. First day they used the 180 degree law of camera position and they noticed that the lighting and the actor didn't look as they wanted in post so they shot it again with Jeff's single shot, clearly we don't see the OTS, Second day they did exactly what you said about the lighting position. The second idea is I think they shot the girl scene first and then during the switch they noticed it won't work out great, then they decided to break the 180 degree so the lighting is in harmony with the whole movie. That's the only reason people watching won't notice the lighting modification. So it's one of those 2 reasons I don't think it's a simple and calculated choice from the crew or director.
Its so interesting to see how the rules and techiniques are identical to all CG projects. I worked on an all CG car commerical at Digital Domain and each shot where the camera flipped 180 degrees we had two sun objects and sun lights in each shot. You never saw them at the same time, but we lit every shot to look great from whatever camera angle we were at. When you are looking for it its obvious but 99% of people never would.
This type of lighting breakdowns are so helpful in learning lighting for cinema, please keep them coming. These breakdowns are the most useful or the best videos from you so far including the previous one too. A huge thanks to you...
Love from India
Thanks so much!
bro u learn from youtube and spam on facebook lighting groups! chill man ! saw u a couple of times lecturing on cinematography groups until someone snapped and called ur incessant preaching on FB groups
Hell or High Water is the shooting style I strive for on my personal projects. I love that wide look that showcases the world that the characters are in. A lot of the same elements that are seen in No Country for Old Men.
Roger Deakens, he created a masterpiece on Sicario
I call it "The small town America" look lol. Love it.
@@uNhlanhlakaSithole I love that term you use. Like it has a suburbian American atmosphere?
“What does a medium look like for our film? What does a wide?” That section of the video resonated with me. I’ve worked on a few indi short films for friends in school and in general. No budget, the crew basically fills multiple role, the DP is the cam op, etc. and when you said the cinematographer’s job is to basically keep a specific style throughout the film I just hadn’t thought of it like that. The thing separating student films from budgets with professional cinematographers IS that consistency. Those specific choices made that can only come from someone with extensive knowledge of shot composition and lighting. Such an excellent video. Thank you for helping out the newbies in the industry who want to get better everyday.
What a great comment!
This is one of the best channels on this subject on UA-cam without a doubt.
I'd like to see the bts of your presence the background window light, key fill and rim are spot on.
Dude, THANK YOU for doing this in-depth analysis. They help me understand what goes through these DP's brains so much more. This is my new drug of choice.
Me & a couple buddies watched Hell & High Water 3 years ago after dropping some LSD. Whole movie I couldn’t understand English. Humbling experience for all the foreigners out there.
With that said, even I picked up on the color grade slip during all that.
Haha that’s hilarious
A takeaway I've been getting from many of your videos is that light direction continuity matters very little. I used to be a continuity snob, and though I've eased off that stance lately, it's pretty humbling that even when I considered it the 'most important thing' I probably missed nearly all light-direction discontinuities.
Guys, your hero A cam shot is beautiful.
wonderful breakdown, thank you
Always love to see these types of videos. Thanks for helping new filmmakers like me to see these techniques!
this has been a film school for me thank you , been studying on my own since 2018
I've said it before, these videos are getting a little too helpful. So helpful that I might subscribe. Oh wait, I already have.
Very good insight into how these films were lit, thank you!
Excellent video, this is definitely a film school. Could you make another video like this but show more low budget movies like you did with Hell or High Water? It would be interesting to see how these types of films squeeze all the resources they have to achieve those incredible shots. Greetings from Panama !🇵🇦
I love when you do these! I’d love for you to do some of the Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts series movies. I love how the look changes as the HP series progresses and I love the cinematography in general. I’d love to see your breakdowns on those.
I wish this video was longer! Soooo interesting.
Thanks!!
Absolutely love your videos. So much care put into the sharing of knowledge, and they're also funny!
Can watch these all day
Love the setup going on in this video!
That's super easy to learn and get to the basics!!
The handheld camera work in Elysium is incredible.
Love these videos from Epic Light Media. So informative and fascinating to see them break down films.
Just found your channel, and I hate it!
I hate it so much that I watched more than half of your videos today 🤣
Thank you so much for making good content.
As a director I adore the small town America look. All that dead space, wide angle shots.
Wow, great breakdowns! Hell or High water is just so incredibly good.
Excellent content ! How do you get cleaner shadow by stopping down the camera aperture or using ND? Both ways camera sensor is getting less lights. Can you explain, please? I have been using Low ISO 320-640 to get cleaner dark if my scenes are dark. or Base or Higher ISO to get my highlights clean. or shoot +1 stop over and stop down in the post for clean shadows.
A lot of DPs I've worked with usually pick an aperture and stick with it throughout the entire scene, so sometime an ND is needed even in a night scene. Also, sometimes using a low ISO makes it difficult to control your highlights in dark scenes given how much contrast there is, so using the base ISO is more ideal in some cases.
Well, you DON'T stop down for a cleaner signal, quite the opposite. Your logic is correct. I think he tried to said that they rated the camera base iso 1 stop down as you said, losing sensor latitude above middle gray and gaining it below. Effectively improving your signal/noise ratio for that scenes.
These breakdowns have been fantastic. Great idea, well executed, I’d dare say my favorite thing you guys have done. If I may be so bold..please continue to produce these. I subscribed against your wishes, sorry.
Thanks so so much!
Excellent video !!!! Make more of these kind of videos. Nobody on UA-cam does this and it is very interesting !!!!!!!!!!!
Check the wanderingDP channel
As Adolfo Rodriguez mentioned, check out the wanderingdp.
Check out Lewis Potts, also
I gotta say, your studio is lit very well!
I liked, subscribed and hit the bell, so there lol. Where are these behind the scenes videos available? Thanks, your videos are very informative and presented in an interesting way
Look on UA-cam for "BTS".
@epiclightmedia can you make a video showing your current lighting setup for this video? I love it!
Great show! Awesome work!
very informative video for me and way you explain very learning for villager like me . I like it. thank you.
Another incredibly informative breakdown, cant wait for more
❤❤ awesome, hoping you do more lighting break down
Very useful video. Thanks!
love this videos a lot, more please !!
Damn, noticing that color grade issue reeeeaaalllyyy makes me nervous about my own work haha.
I know right? Me too
The content we need. We need similar comparative analysis on more contemporary works, like Point Break versus Hot Fuzz, or anything by John Waters.
yess thanks for the breakdown! very helpful!
This was nice! Thank you guys
your ligthing set up look fantastic!
So, how to make low key without noise??? Also with nd??? Or in post??? Hello from México!!! 🖐🏼
Iam very impressed on ur informative videos sir thanks
More please! Great stuff.
Ultrasupermegahyper video bro! Thank you so much for this
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I was hard on you about the last breakdown being just okay… I’ve gotta give it to you on this one, Nicely done
This was very much needed info and actually raised a question I have! Given that they’re using anamorphic lenses, they’re getting a wider angle than regular spherical lenses which gives the set more importance in the shot as you mentioned. For an action project I just started I plan on using the Atlas Orion 2X anamorphic lenses. But the fight scenes are focused on the main two characters and I’d want to focus all the attention on their fight and the story being told through it, not the background. With that being said would you think it be better if I shot spherical, or stay with my anamorphic choice?
Did you get those glasses from Matrix Resurrections?
This was so good...thanks
Epic as always
@Epic Light Media - In spite of the lack of vision and/or budget for proper on camera talent, I can say that this video was quite good. Signed - The GED class of 2022..
Love these videos 🙏
I love your endings! Ill watch more just to hear more endings haha.
Love this!!
Great video! I am learning a ton; thank you so much. However, the volume was much louder and blown out compared to your other video that linked to getting me here. That must be why you are a lighting guy and not a sound guy. lol.
Very helpful information thanks
Don’t want to be that guy but @ 00:42 you said the Arri Alexa 65 XT, the 65 doesn’t have an XT version.
I really enjoyed the video, always fun seeing lighting and cinematography deep dives
Great discussion!
I really enjoy this lighting breakdown videos. Please do the netflix series LoveCraft Country
There is an upstage key “modified” the HMI outside is meant to hit him towards the waist and is diffused on top with frost or 1/4 grid cloth . The upstage key is enhancing the window kick and help sell it as a major source of their illumination . You forgot to mention that . The bounce from the towel isnt enough to open up giving the size of the towel . specially when he steps a bit forward . In the medium two shot you can clearly see the effect of the upstage lighting and you can see it on their faces as well as an edge on their hair . You can see it clearly in the behind the scenes near the fridge .you can achieve a similar effect by adding a couple of s60’s with a softbox and grid . Also the upstage key is warmer and this helps enhance the effect of the greens “ of the walls and interiors “ because without it you won’t see the effect those colors bring to the scene . Anamorphics or not for me I basically think its just a flavor . What lies underneath the lensing options are way more important .
Watch wandering DP instead of this channel cause this content is for new people
Man, Elysium. I don't remember much of the plot, but I remember it looking really cool.
Keep these coming.
soo good
Very nice do it again and again. Thank THOMAS.
Love this video, great learning tools, please keep this up...gonna be broke looking at anamorphic lenses :)
epic light media open my eyes about filmmaking, i can't dislike you 😔
In this and some of your other videos you bring up the subject of catchlights in the eyes of actors. As a DP for micro budget films here in the Atlanta area, I am always looking at catchlights. For example in TV cop shows such as "Law and Order", a bad guy will be filmed being interviewed in a small dimly lit dungeon of a room but the talent will have a bright catchlight!
Could you perhaps make a video just about catchlights, how to make them, when to create them (or not) and how bright should they be? Back before digital, didn't DPs use a grain of wheat light bulb as a tiny bare bulb light source - possibly with a dimmer? What would an equivalent light source be these days, an LED?
A second video suggestion is a subject dear to my heart: production stills. How to work with a stills photographer and how give the stills photographer time after takes to do their thing. This is because not every good looking publicity still has the same composition as the blocked scene - verticals, for example.
Thank you.
Terry Thomas
DP & Stills
Atlanta, Georgia USA
PS
I use Nikkor prime and zoom lenses when I DP micro budget films - I can't afford anamorphic or those beautiful Zeiss lenses you show so often.
Can you do more Movies about Set Up Lighting by using behind the Scenes Movies Examples ???
Excellent. Thanks jf
Great work
It likes I stand in the room listening to my teacher.It is great.
That’s so nice thanks!!!!
I would absolutely love to see a video on shooting bright and bringing the exposure down in cam. I never really thought of it as a tool to combat noise. I can imagine this technique being extremely useful, for BM users especially. Im assuming ya really have to work with good lighting ratios in order to make it look believable eh?
You have to basically shoot wide open too. Lots of times I have 400 iso with 2 stops of ND and T2 for a dark look
@@EpicLightMedia im definitely going to give that a try! i appreciate the info, thanks!!
The is actually incorrect. Light levels are the same to a camera sensor, whether it passes through an ND filter or not. To actually get a cleaner image, you shoot a 1/3 stop to a half stop brighter in camera and then bring it down in post.
Great breakdown.
this is so awesome... how you founbd the flaws!! Am sure they said who will find out when they shot it :P :P
Sir it's very intresting please make this type of video
good sharing , thank you bro
Epic Light Media film school! Teach Teacher!
its fine chanell look nice and good information and freindly presenters,cool and thx
Thanks!!
thank you!
Is that bank in the scene with the error the same bank from The Hot Spot?
that colour grade error gave me chills
Good content. And thanks for sharing, but not caring!!!
Very good. Let's do this more often, but it's still good if you show an example of how to achieve such lighting in a scene. Friend, say hello to your family
"This was shot on Mexico city so the fluorescent lights were probably changed". Yeah because all the lights in Mexico are orange. Lol
So the dark side of face is the one that should be like the closest to the camera?
I know I sound like a broken record but it’s super important to understand and 90 percent of people keep forgetting about it when they start out
Can you do a breakdown of the lightning setup of the poker match from the movie Casino Royale please ? :)
RE: buildings in the background.. You can just ND gel those windows down to exposure..
Ver Good Vid
This video fucking good piece
Thanks for this eye opening class
i would like to ask that where can we get these BTS video for others movie for further learning? Any websites?
Type in movie behind the scenes b roll on UA-cam
Ever since I learned about lighting principles regarding camera placement and eyeline, it has really been bothering me to see the dark side of the face closer to the camera in cases where it makes absolutely no sense. For some reason I can't unsee that now.
rules in art... lmaaaooo
I refuse to unsubscribe because UA-cam won’t recommend this channel and I have to type in your name on search 😫😫😫😫
How do u get these behind the scenes video
Just UA-cam
Hi, I don't really agree at around 9:55 ! I did not watch the movie honestly but from your video you posted I must disagree with you about that lighting you explained.
I think this scene was shot in 2 different days. First day they used the 180 degree law of camera position and they noticed that the lighting and the actor didn't look as they wanted in post so they shot it again with Jeff's single shot, clearly we don't see the OTS, Second day they did exactly what you said about the lighting position. The second idea is I think they shot the girl scene first and then during the switch they noticed it won't work out great, then they decided to break the 180 degree so the lighting is in harmony with the whole movie. That's the only reason people watching won't notice the lighting modification. So it's one of those 2 reasons I don't think it's a simple and calculated choice from the crew or director.
love you, that is all.
Ive subscribed and liked the vid ;p