I agree with everything you said and i personally think that the reason why reload cutscene of shadow makoto was made that way was not to represent the horrible side of death like fes did in my opinion but all the sadness and pain it can bring I really like how reload handle base game and despite some things in the answer, that i totally agree with you, i like how the answer turned out here in the end (also you can actually play the game in reload lol) Also i dont know but personally i think reload kind of showed SEES closer? As in they felt more like friends and not just coworkers, but thats just my opinion 😊
As someone who played FES version of The Answer a long time ago and loved the Reload's version , FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT ! The reasons why all these changes happened in the first place is because P3R's main game is drastically different than FES's main game with all the added hangout events and stuffs, especially when it comes to the tone and they wanted to be consistent and stay in line with Reload's portrayal of these characters (specifically Yukari obviously). It's so refreshing to hear someone not jumping into the hate bandwagon of "New things = bad" and taking time to understand things instead. If you check the "Expansion pass - Developer message" video from Atlus West UA-cam channel, the producer of the game literally explained this SINCE DAY ONE (because the video released the day of the announcement of the Expansion pass) and he said "While the story remains the same, the lines will be adjusted to fit Reload's main game just so you can be more emotionally invested" so I don't understand why people act so surprised when it comes to this when they literally warned us since THE VERY FIRST DAY. Anyway thank you for this video, I'm not watching too much Persona content on this platform but you're easily the most fun to watch and you don't follow the trend of trashing Episode Aigis for views like the others did blindly, you still criticized it ofc because it has flaws but at least you always remained neutral , tried to understand and explained why these changes were made, it was always done for the sake of being consistent with how they portrayed this "new" P3 with Reload.
Thank you for choosing to watch my channel! It means a lot to hear that. I always try to see the positives in both sides and stray away from being overly biased toward either. I may like Reload more than FES in most ways, but I still respect it as a piece of work a lot, so I won’t blindly hate on it.
"Different = Bad" I don't think I've seen a remake that was liked by the original playerbase. They want a remake but they don't want anything to change...
It’s honestly tiring, the truth is those people don’t ever want to accept change. Things in life change, you just have to roll with it. I think the changes are great. It’s very important to be objective about the games quality and my biggest problem is that most of the time they focus too much on subjective things and end up saying “it’s ruined, it’s worse” when that is not the truth. It can come across as disingenuous and has soured my views on most video game reviewers as I feel like they get too many details wrong or let their nostalgia cloud their judgement. I’ve seen games get shafted by these things, I’ve never seen it be this bad with episode Aigis. I haven’t seen their videos but I could just tell it’s a bandwagon and are clearly pushing, in my opinion a disingenuous narrative on this dlc and I’m so sick of seeing this. It’s the reason why I don’t care what influencers have to say and don’t let their bad takes influence my views on games by ignoring them. This is a great dlc that’s getting a disproportionate amount of hate.
@@cwp24 I do 100% agree with what you said but there's another thing with the episode aigis stuff, which is a huge personal bias. The people who are very harsh on Episode Aigis and say that it 'ruined' The Answer are also the people who have overly played the original a shit ton and have gotten used to the originals oddities. It's the same thing with base Reload too with some people believing they messed up The Journey too. Some people got super mad when they made changes to update it to current 2024 and post P5 standards. they've admitted that they used to hate those mechanics but constantly played the game and now sing their praises for them now. Me personally, I don't think they ruined The Answer since it wasn't even good to begin with, especially gameplay wise. Also that Episode Aigis fixed a lot of my issues with the OG for me. I do wish they changed a bit more things or kept some stuff the same like shortening the Abyss of Time and keeping Yukaris anger the same but I've just accepted it at this point lol but I do feel like Episode Aigis hate also has that as well.
1:15 As an obsessive Yukari stan who laser focused on her dialogue in Reload because so much "they changed her" art was circulating on Twitter during my playthrough...no they didn't. Her dialogue in Reload was basically one-to-one with FES, Heather Gonzales matching Megumi Toyoguchi, Yukari's actual OG VA in tone isn't changing Yukari; it's keeping her accurate.
I get where you're coming from, but I disagree. I thought the manifestation of Yukari's grief was handled wonderfully in The Answer, warts and all. By sanding off some of her rougher edges to make her less "hateable" is to deny her of her agency as a character.
Yeah like yukari kinda felt out of place in fes, I understand what she wanted to do but her breaking down in the spot like that kinda put into question if Aigis was right. It seemed yukari wanted the key out of hatred and not understanding the feelings of others… while having Aigis win and then seeing yukari fall over and say “You really don’t want to see him again?” Hurt much more in my opinion, she lost and she accepted that… but she can’t accept that others don’t want to see him
If there's one thing about Episode Aigis I'd like you to cover, it would be that Joker fight. Everything from what I've seen and heard about that fight is unbelievable.
True. I once saw a comment saying that Joker is here because Elizabeth challenged him to steal humanity's heart and free Makoto... As if the dialogue immediately after doesn't tell you that he's here because the Abyss of Time summoned a strong opponent when they wished for one
I disagree with the nicer yukari being the better interpretation, just because someone is nice doesn't mean they can't lash out. IN the original she was a bit bitchy and antagonistic but that was because she was grieving she, was jealous and her emotions weren't straght, epsiode Aigis still delivers this, but it hits less well. Human beings can have ugly emotions, and loss can certainly cause them.
I do agree with what you said. Like I said I think she was completely valid in the way she was written and acted in FES, but for me personally I just preferred how Reload approached it with how she bottled her feelings more, but like I also said, the discussion between everyone with the keys is where FES is better than Reload in almost all fronts.
Everyone was disappointed with shadow makoto while i was jsut crying in the corner because of how beautiful it was. Truly my only complaint about the new answer is we got like… 6 seconds of anime Metis. This dlc meant wonders to me and it was just the cherry ontop of a perfect cake known as persona 3 reload
Finally someone that finally gets it. I haven’t played FES but I’ve watched gameplay which is as close as I’ll get for now and I don’t have reload yet but I’ve been following the changes since it was announced. I expected people to hate P3R since it was revealed especially with the changes to VA’s and more but never did I see such vitriol as when the Answer dropped. I like the new interpretation it brought especially given that if you notice very well Minato has been sinking since the beginning, and I feel like it really conveys depression well as you keep falling until you either get up and rise, stay at the bottom and/or keep sinking. I haven’t finished watching the video and it’s quite early so obliviously I’ll come back to add more thoughts
I personally think the Reload version of the story isn’t an upgrade or downgrade. More of a sidegrade. I prefer Reload version of the story a bit more and especially love the gameplay more than the original.
I hear a lot of people say about this game, "This is worse because, X, Y, and Z..." Myself... I've never played FES but there are some things I thought were done a little better. For example, the shot of Yukari at the beginning of the main game. I also kinda wish they didn't cut the shot of Fuuka crying in the opening cutscene of The Answer. That being said if stuff like THIS are the ultimate deciding factors for the quality of video games, then why do we even play video games to begin with? I really cannot recommend P3R and Episode Aigis to any newcomer to the franchise and long time fans are REALLY missing out if they choose to skip out on it. This game to me is so marvelous it may be my favorite in the series (it's a little too early to decide imo) and it was worth all the time.
In terms of the dungeon dialogue, my team for most of the playthrough was Mitsuru, Koro and Yukari and when I went to grind a little after the arena fights they all (including Fuuka) had a dialogue about it which made my day. Did not expect to have all of them take part in it.
I don't get the people that are angry about this DLC. I think the price is fair and the other stuff in the expansion pass is such a nothing there is literally no need to be angry about it. And if it is SO UNBEARABLY EXPENSIVE why can't these people just wait for these so called "discounts". Not buying a game on release day has to my knowledge not killed anybody yet.
Episode Aigis is infinitely better than The Answer in my opinion except ONE scene. The scene where Athena metamorphosed into Orpheus. Seeing her transform while charging Mettis will always be a goat moment.
The only thing i felt snubbed out of in reload compared to FES was a makoto portrait in the credits. Seeing him again at the end of the original brand new days hits hard. That said, everything else about the credits is 11/10
As a person who mostly plays Persona 3 in Japanese it's weird for me to hear the complaints because Yukari's tone of voice is a mixture of anger and sadness rather than one or the other on both versions and some of the dialogue is straight up the same.
About Yukari: I play Persona games with the Japanese VO for immersion's sake, but this is one of the rare cases I personally think the vocal performance is a lot better. I do not like her English performance in the key discussion, both in FES (too stoic, feels like I'm watching a debate, more than a genuine emotional discussion) and Reload (emotions still too bottled up), while the Japanese performance really shows her grasping for arguments and only really comprehending what she's saying, when she's saying it, resulting in a more "unstable" delivery in which the emotion the argument entails comes across more genuinely.
Ikr ? Imo, i think Episode Aigis is better at capturing how SEES member growth as a whole after Nyx and it feel softer. meanwhile, in The Answer it feels creepy and mysterious . The Answer is best for 1st timer. Meanwhile, Episode Aigis is best for Players who already played The Answer
11:02 You actually do fight Metis in FES but it works the exact same way, where you can never lose to her once your low HP where she hesitates. The game counts it as a victory and levels you up on the victory screen. They probably removed the victory screen to transition better to the animated cutscene.
As someone who played the OG The Answer twice, I do think that Episode Aigis is a massvie improvement upon the OG both gameplay and (mostly) story wise. I do wish they kept Yukari taking the key and trimming down the floors of the Abyss by a bit but outside of that, I realy enjoyed my time. I also do like the OG cutscenes nearly eqaully to the Reload cutscenes but I do have a bit a preference towards Reloads versions from the more consistent animation. I'm also glad they changed Mitsurus reasoning with siding with Yukari, I thought she had a pretty weak reason to side with her so I'm glad they fixed that issue for me. I also did like that Junpei makes a point that they could make a worse future for both the past and present. Overall, I'm perfectly chill with Episode Aigis since it fixed about 99% of my issues with the OG but I do wish they went the Final Horizon route and made it a free update.
I do prefer the cut scenes from the answer more than episode aigis, but only because I love watching Akihiko dodge bullets like it's nothing. So satisfying. Otherwise I definitely preferred episode Aigis. The extra voice lines were so great. There is one where after you first go to pawllonia mall Akihiko will comment that since it was July of last year than maybe he could find a specific person there, but then immediately dismissed the thought. I have seen so many debates whether he is talking about Makoto or Shinji but I think it doesn't matter because it proves that he also secretly wanted to go back and see someone he cared about and how quick he is to push those thoughts out of his head. It gives way more dimension to this cast and I loved it.
I think people disliking Episode Aigis Yukari is an extension of the dislike for Reload Yukari. I personally disliked the change to her character in Reload, it just becomes more pronounced how defanged her depiction is in Episode Aigis. I also dont think you can really "ruin" The Answer because being honest... it wasnt very good to begin with, and always paled in comparison to the journey. I personally dislike the direction Reload took P3 mechanically, but the changes to Episode Aigis are ones people wanted in The Answer, which is the addition of the compendium and a better gameplay to story ratio. Since the DLC has no social sim, making it shorter is in my opinion a mercy to its overall pacing. Do i think either version tells a good story? Ehhhhh. Would i rather play Episode Aigis over The Answer? Absolutely.
Long and short of it for me. Despite the new cutscenes not hitting the same as FES, I got no real other complaints about Reload. It's just preference at the end of the day.
Man I love the dungeon dialogue but god damn could they stop starting the dialogue as soon as I open a menu or go down to the next floor cos I really wanted to hear what they say😭
I can say this because I did not like FES yukari but reload actually made it so I tolerated her more. All of that lashing out she did at Aigis of all people and then the fact that just because of her grief she didn't think "hey of we go back to past knowing we fight nyx again you'd be in the same position and nothing would have changed" where as in reload she understood that and for the love of god they did the one thing that I was hoping mitsuru would have done and tell this girl what she should have told her. This imo made the reload a lot better than fes. The yukari (fes) version fan base are malding because she's not being bitchkari
Honestly Yukari's more quiet and controlled rage makes more sense for her charachter to me. Flying off the handle does'nt really make sense for her and is more of a Junpei thing. The words feel much more targeted and cutting with the tranquil fury approach. It just feels like she really wants it to sting more and makes it clear she's mostly mad at Aigis over anyone else.
🤔i cant speak on fes since I never played it, but will say episode aigis never disappointed me at all, I get people might think the original is better, but the thing I've heard about fes the answer is that it wasn't a great and people literally hated yukari for how she was acting in fes, so I found it kind of funny how people are now praising the original over the remake now, but anyway I'm glad I've played it
I haven’t played the answer in any capacity as the version of p3p I’ve played was portable-can’t access fes tho I don’t think I like it due to the no party control, and would like to play reload but I’m broke af rn-so I’ve only seen videos about the answer but I gotta say you make some pretty good points here! Especially about the shadow makoto scene. I think FES was way more metal and Reload feels very censored-a lot of people in general complained the game got censored in the cutscene and yeah can’t lie it does feel that way at times-but I do like the fact SEES does react to shadow makoto disappearing in the cutscene, I especially love Aigis trying to reach out towards him.
The Key scene was something I’ve grown to be okay with the removal. Yukari in Reload isn’t nearly as aggressive or irritable, her sadness is bitter and hollow instead of infuriating and irritating. She doesn’t need to steal the hey away for what the scene represents for the scene to work.
I think a very very important part of this is that: Reload, Yukari comes off so much less of a bitch. 🤣 There is a difference between a character you don’t like and a bad character sure, but a lot of people don’t understand that, and it makes the message reload is putting out way better received than in FES
Funny thing I still got the intensity of Yukari's arc as I was playing, and it's still so much better than Junpei's outburst when they learn about Nyx. People defend him there but not only was that really irritating to happen a third time it was right after his big emotional arc with Chidori so the outburst felt so damn out of charachter whereas Yukari's motivations felt not only understandable but perfectly natural for her too. And I even felt this was the case before the reload dlc came out, the Reload version actually fits her better too. I think fans of the orignal versions need to look at this without the nostalgia goggles and more importantly not throw tantrums if someone actually enjoys Reload. This was my first time ever playing it and I found it to be a pretty good game, I have a few minor complaints of my own but they don't take away from the overall experience.
@@Cloud-dt6xb yes man SMT fans will never cease to amaze me, atlus has made nearly top tier levels of rpgs since the 80’s, to a consistent level that other fanbases are jealous, but an smt fan will gatekeep and dickride one game to the heat death of the universe. Don’t tell a digital devil saga fan that persona 5 is a good game they finna lose their minds 🤣
@@yukotrey9422 I can agree there my first game was Persona 5 Royal and already I'm getting the same this game is the best therefore all others are bad mindset from this fanbase like I get from Final Fantasy fans and that's really freaking annoying.
Yes, it does. They somehow managed to take a divisive story expansion from 17 years ago and made it worse. 105 USD, for a game that never should’ve existed in the first place. Fuck modern gaming.
Persona 3 FES was re released for full price just 1 or 2 years after the OG Persona 3 came out, so if you wanted to play this it would’ve been the same price if not more back then, and that’s not even accounting for inflation, etc. If you think modern gaming is bad that’s cool for you but let’s not act like FES wasn’t already a scam when it came out. I think the dlc is overpriced too but this video had nothing to do with the price in the first place either, only the divisive story changes.
I really like how they didnt make yukari a big meanie in this version and made her way more understandable for why she feels her grief. Also I fully agree that BOTH are good and what you prefer is completely fair.
I feel like the protagonist turning into a corpse was just done for that 6th gen wow factor, it serves no purpose naritively that he decayed in front of them. But people lach on to those weird moments for some reason and shut down everything that doesn't wtf them as that scene did
I can't say I agree with this. I'm sure people who never played, or never cared for, FES' version of The Answer will walk away thinking that the differences are negligible, but for me the changes in characterization and tone make the story much weaker. The changes to characterization were done in service of matching the tone of Reload's The Journey and making the hangouts in The Answer work, but they completely kill the drama, tension, and conflict in The Answer. I understand that The Answer was contentious in the FES days, but the tense atmosphere and disconnect between the party members was the whole point of The Answer. I just can't believe that the Yukari that would fight Aigis and the rest of SEES over the chance to save someone that she loves/cares for deeply is the same Yukari that is reading books and watching TV shows with Aigis. At one point, Yukari emphasizes that this is just "her opinion" and she isn't objectively right, which just deflates all tension and makes no sense. If you think this is a difference of opinion, why are you going to such extreme lengths? Reload's changes don't justify the SEES civil war. I also hated the part where SEES members besides Mitsuru chime in during Yukari's breakdown. It adds nothing to the scene and just follows the classic anime trope of needing to hear input from every character. The focus is on Yukari, Mitsuru, and to a lesser extent, Aigis. We do not need to hear "Yukari-san..." from Ken to understand that the scene is sad. The whole point of FES' shadow MC cutscene is to represent a moment where SEES is forced to come to terms with the fact that the MC is dead and gone. The whole time, SEES has been avoiding talking about it, trying to just move on and bury the grief they feel. The shadow was there to force the issue. The new cutscene just doesn't have the same impact, it trades striking imagery for a cliche shot of Aigis looking sad and reaching out with her arm. I appreciate that you at least went through the differences between the two versions and didn't just dismiss the changes as a "more accurate localization." It's clear that the script was changed. I understand that someone can prefer Reload's take on The Answer, but to me it is just a weaker retelling of a contentious, but moving and engaging, story. It isn't just one big change (although the lack of key grab is bad), it is the culmination of a lot of little changes in presentation and tone.
You're conveniently glossing over some of FES Answer's story issues. In a vacuum I loved the FES shadow MC cutscene but narratively the issue was that none of the characters reacted to it (Reload fixed this). That cutscene wasn't made for the characters to accept MC is gone. It was made solely to spook the player (and it did a pretty good job). Another issue with how FES handled the SEES conflict was that only Yukari felt like she was upset enough to fight everyone else. FES glosses over why everybody else goes along with her and fights. FES isn't sure whether the conflict is fueled by bad blood or just a difference of opinion (and I prefer that Reload commits to the latter). While there isn't nearly as much tension, I much prefer Reload's handling of the conflict because it feels much more natural and elaborates on the clash of philosophies. Yukari makes the proposal to fight because they're in a stalemate and the group accepts. If you think a difference of opinion between good friends doesn't justify the civil war then you've completely forgotten the stakes. This is a monumental decision about potentially redoing the Nyx battle. Rock paper scissors won't suffice. Of course they have to go to extreme measures to pick an option.
@@hunterhunter5998 Shadow Makoto is a sort of representation of the regrets that the members of SEES have over the death of the MC. The disintegration bit is shocking and it almost feels like a demonic entity is taunting them over the death of their friend, forcing them to confront the painful truth. Regardless of the interpretation, I think there was no reason to change one of the most memorable and unsettling moments in The Answer. If you wanted to add more reactions, that is fine, but there was no reason to tone down the unsettling imagery imo. I would also say that the reactions from SEES in the actual cutscene are kinda half assed, just Aigis doing the cliche "no don't go!" reaching out movement and everyone else doing the standard anime "HUH?!" The post fight dialogue is almost exactly the same, so they didn't really add much in terms of a reaction from the other members of SEES. I agree with you that FES was missing a scene like this. It could have been a really powerful moment, like Yukari could have just lost her shit here and snapped, providing a nice segway into her change of mentality for the argument. I agree that there could have been more emphasis on SEES reaction, but what Reload adds doesn't really do much for me. In FES, the conflict starts out as a more level headed debate, and then Akihiko makes it personal by accusing Yukari of essentially being a coward unable to face the past. Yukari takes this personally and accuses Ken and Akihiko of being hypocrites and it all spirals out from there. In FES they get across the philosophical implications just fine, Yukari wants to fix the past (even if it means facing Nyx again and possibly dooming the world), Akihiko wants to just move on into the future (without learning the truth behind the MC's death and finding closure), and Junpei just wants to keep the group together (even if he needs to do it by force). I think the removed tension makes the fighting feel more forced, if it is just a philosophical debate and there is no bad blood, then why resort to violence? Why not put it to a vote? Like you said, I am aware of the stakes of the decision and the complexity of the dilemma, how none of the teams are really "in the right." In Reload, it feels like the characters are not acting with an appropriate sense of urgency and intensity. The tension and strong emotions are what pushes the philosophical debate into a full blown fight. It just feels so passionless now. When you compare the scenes side by side, Reload Yukari comes across as so passionless and pathetic by comparison, literally collapsing for no reason after the Aigis fight, whereas in FES, Yukari, despite losing, still fights tooth and nail for the key and only after she is told that she has lost her chance, collapses in despair. FES Yukari was abrasive and unlikable, but she also displayed a sense of conviction that made her more sympathetic in the end. I think toning down the intensity with Yukari specifically makes it less impactful. This toning down of the intensity is not a problem specific to Yukari, but it is most noticeable with her.
@@NovaKaiser21 for the Shadow Makoto scene they had two choices: change the cutscene to match the reactions/dialogue or change the dialogue to match the cutscene. Both would've worked for me but Reload chose the former (a subdued somber reaction is good enough because it's not as shocking or grotesque). FES has quite a few of these errors/discrepancies between the anime cutscenes and the game (like long hair yukari or no dark hour lighting) so this is probably another jarring discrepancy to add to the list. I understand that FES tries to portray the conflict as a level headed debate until Yukari fires back at Akihiko. The problem is nobody gets heated like Yukari, not even Akihiko. How is this spiraling out of control? Why does everyone silently go along with Yukari? It's very unconvincing to me. If FES wanted to go this route they needed to find good reasons why everybody else would be pissed at each other. Reload's portrayal is not a philosophical debate but a stalemate. Unlike a debate, nobody is open to changing their mind. A vote wouldn't solve anything because those in the minority still wouldn't hand over their keys (the stakes are way too high). With the clock ticking and Yukari's proposal, they reluctantly agree to fight because they see no other way to break the stalemate. This is a rare case where hurting each other is the lesser evil from their viewpoints because the alternative is potentially endangering the world. Overall I think Reload enriched the philosophical components of the conflict (especially with how Aigis learns a bit from each perspective) and made it feel more natural BECAUSE there isn't any bad blood. I also think it fits the rest of the script better too like when Yukari is encouraging Aigis before they fight (the English dub wrongly makes her sound sarcastic btw). I don't have strong feelings over which Yukari portrayal I prefer. I think they're both excellent in their own ways but if you clearly prefer her FES version (minus the exaggerated voice direction) then more power to you.
@@hunterhunter5998 I'm pointing out that the changes to the Shadow Makoto cutscene do not fix your problem with the original cutscene, the lack of reaction by SEES. Even though there were some discrepancies in the OG cutscenes, they were far and away better directed and more visually interesting than anything that came out of Reload. But no, it is a much better cutscene now because we get to see all the SEES members going "HUH!?" in the background. Real crucial information that adds a lot. And what are you arguing here, you LIKE that they took a really striking and memorable scene and made it less impactful? Even if the reaction makes sense in the context of Reload, why is it a good thing that this story moment is less provocative/interesting? Yes, the other members of SEES do get heated during the debate. In FES, Yukari calls Junpei a coward and Ken and Akihiko a bunch of self-centered hypocrites. Ken and Akihiko are so offended by this that they both jump out of their seat. This part of the debate is missing from the Reload version and is instead replaced by wishy washy dialogue where Yukari talks about how everyone needs to be in touch with their feelings. Again, completely ruining any sort of tension or drama to present a corny, sanitized version of the conflict. You are right that what ultimately forces SEES to fight is the ticking clock element of the time loop falling apart. This element of the story is present in FES as well. What I am complaining about is that the lack of passion and intensity, of sheer emotion. It feels like a weaker and more dethatched way of presenting the conflict. What does Reload add that "enriched the philosophical components of the conflict?" In FES the philosophical or moral conflict is still presented to the player. After you return from the Colosseum, you can talk to everyone and they will reflect on why they were wrong in this conflict. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by sarcastic tone, the pre battle dialogue sounds fine to me. Yukari is relieved that Aigis is regaining her humanity. One of the things that pissed off Yukari the most was that Aigis, despite the fact that she got to be there for the MC in his final moments, was running away and rejecting her humanity. She is relieved to finally see some conviction, some humanity from Aigis, even if they still have to fight.
@@NovaKaiser21 I think Reload's version of the shadow MC cutscene fits better into the story/dialogue but I love the FES one too (despite them both going for completely different tones). We'll just agree to disagree on that. In FES Ken and Akihiko get momentarily offended by Yukari but still neither of them are very angry. Junpei didn't get angry with her at all. I love Yukari's passion but ultimately the FES conflict breaks down for me cuz nobody else is matching her aggressive energy. The other issue is that with this more aggressive and isolated Yukari, I believe SEES would first stop her from being a threat then figure out what to do amongst themselves. Yes Reload's version of the conflict lacks passion (cuz they'd rather not fight) and drama (cuz they voluntarily sign onto Yukari's proposal) but ultimately it's a big upgrade for me writing wise cuz it's way more believable. Reload making it so the others were unaware of the potential danger to Aigis's life was another massive improvement for me. As for how Reload enriches the conflict, I love Junpei's new pre-battle dialogue/reasoning way more. Akihiko's argument to Yukari is also presented better. I also love how Aigis learns from Junpei and Yukari's perspectives over the course of the battles. I see where you're coming from and respect your opinion. I agree the FES conflict was spicier and more passionate but for me certain components of the execution just didn't add up. I think Reload's version of the conflict is much more believable despite losing that spice which is why I now prefer it. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
12:53 Out of all of the changes made, this is actually one of the few I don’t mind. Mainly because we get to see how the characters react as the phantom of their former friend dissipates. Something we don’t get in FES. 1:10 Yukari was a character that I initially had no strong feelings towards, neither loving her or hating her outright to now she is a character that I like a lot more now. (I still prefer Aigis). But it’s mainly because it takes understanding her grief in the answer. And it makes more sense to have her sadness be in the forefront rather than constantly lashing out at every turn. That being said, her lashing out was vital to the buildup to the S.E.E.S. fight and her eventual breakdown. So there is a loss that ultimately wasn’t needed IMO. 1:21 Actually, more in line with her Japanese voice direction. 1:51 like darn, are you not concerned that Aigis could have potentially have died? 2:23 exactly! 4:04 I wish they didn’t keep this line, both in FES AND RELOAD. Both endings clearly depict Aigis being the first person to be with Makoto. If they had kept the Portable NG+ Ending where you can have any of your love interests reach Makoto while Aigis hides, then Yukari’s line would make more sense. 5:49 This was actually a smart call. It makes Aigis’ anger and rejection of Metis more believable. 6:20 I actually think the best way I would have done this, is not for Yukari to snatch the key, but to actually shake Aigis and beg her into going back to the pass. So it’s a mixture of her desperation in FES and her grief and Reload. 9:14 this alone is honestly much more of a healthy relationship for Yukari as a whole than with Makoto IMO.
Bro Yukari It's my mature in the reload than the older version. I promise you if she behaves similar as the older version all the people will be a lot more complaining compared to what she is right now matured.
Yukari in the answer was dumb and annoying. Like she wanted to go back to the last battle where at that point they couldn’t stop the fall . When I just go to the hangman and stop themselves from killing it. Reload Yukari just says she wants to go and doesn’t specify which is much smarter and in general she’s less annoying and makes me feel bad for her
@@connorharnage6697 they experienced it firsthand they were utterly useless and pathetic and they saw how makoto was the only one who can even stand up let alone fight. It is actually the definition of insanity to the same thing and expected different results. Like there’s no defending that. Reload did the smart thing made it vague
@@aresrivera9744 And they don't know HOW he did that. The only people who knew what happened in that moment were Makoto, Ryoji and Igor. There was absolutely no reason to believe that was the only way
I really didnt like The Journey in Persona 3. Everything from the characters and plot are very lackluster compared to P4 and P5. Since I had a very bad experience with P3R. I've been reluctant to give the answer a try since I dont really like Aegis as a character. However since I already have the answer cus it was an impulse buy I might just end up playing it anyways. Good video man 👍
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I agree with everything you said and i personally think that the reason why reload cutscene of shadow makoto was made that way was not to represent the horrible side of death like fes did in my opinion but all the sadness and pain it can bring
I really like how reload handle base game and despite some things in the answer, that i totally agree with you, i like how the answer turned out here in the end (also you can actually play the game in reload lol)
Also i dont know but personally i think reload kind of showed SEES closer? As in they felt more like friends and not just coworkers, but thats just my opinion 😊
As someone who played FES version of The Answer a long time ago and loved the Reload's version , FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT ! The reasons why all these changes happened in the first place is because P3R's main game is drastically different than FES's main game with all the added hangout events and stuffs, especially when it comes to the tone and they wanted to be consistent and stay in line with Reload's portrayal of these characters (specifically Yukari obviously). It's so refreshing to hear someone not jumping into the hate bandwagon of "New things = bad" and taking time to understand things instead.
If you check the "Expansion pass - Developer message" video from Atlus West UA-cam channel, the producer of the game literally explained this SINCE DAY ONE (because the video released the day of the announcement of the Expansion pass) and he said "While the story remains the same, the lines will be adjusted to fit Reload's main game just so you can be more emotionally invested" so I don't understand why people act so surprised when it comes to this when they literally warned us since THE VERY FIRST DAY.
Anyway thank you for this video, I'm not watching too much Persona content on this platform but you're easily the most fun to watch and you don't follow the trend of trashing Episode Aigis for views like the others did blindly, you still criticized it ofc because it has flaws but at least you always remained neutral , tried to understand and explained why these changes were made, it was always done for the sake of being consistent with how they portrayed this "new" P3 with Reload.
Thank you for choosing to watch my channel! It means a lot to hear that. I always try to see the positives in both sides and stray away from being overly biased toward either. I may like Reload more than FES in most ways, but I still respect it as a piece of work a lot, so I won’t blindly hate on it.
"Different = Bad"
I don't think I've seen a remake that was liked by the original playerbase. They want a remake but they don't want anything to change...
It’s honestly tiring, the truth is those people don’t ever want to accept change. Things in life change, you just have to roll with it. I think the changes are great.
It’s very important to be objective about the games quality and my biggest problem is that most of the time they focus too much on subjective things and end up saying “it’s ruined, it’s worse” when that is not the truth. It can come across as disingenuous and has soured my views on most video game reviewers as I feel like they get too many details wrong or let their nostalgia cloud their judgement. I’ve seen games get shafted by these things, I’ve never seen it be this bad with episode Aigis. I haven’t seen their videos but I could just tell it’s a bandwagon and are clearly pushing, in my opinion a disingenuous narrative on this dlc and I’m so sick of seeing this.
It’s the reason why I don’t care what influencers have to say and don’t let their bad takes influence my views on games by ignoring them. This is a great dlc that’s getting a disproportionate amount of hate.
@@cwp24 I do 100% agree with what you said but there's another thing with the episode aigis stuff, which is a huge personal bias.
The people who are very harsh on Episode Aigis and say that it 'ruined' The Answer are also the people who have overly played the original a shit ton and have gotten used to the originals oddities.
It's the same thing with base Reload too with some people believing they messed up The Journey too. Some people got super mad when they made changes to update it to current 2024 and post P5 standards. they've admitted that they used to hate those mechanics but constantly played the game and now sing their praises for them now.
Me personally, I don't think they ruined The Answer since it wasn't even good to begin with, especially gameplay wise. Also that Episode Aigis fixed a lot of my issues with the OG for me. I do wish they changed a bit more things or kept some stuff the same like shortening the Abyss of Time and keeping Yukaris anger the same but I've just accepted it at this point lol but I do feel like Episode Aigis hate also has that as well.
I never played the original version of the answer so I can’t compare the two but I personally enjoyed the answer.
1:15 As an obsessive Yukari stan who laser focused on her dialogue in Reload because so much "they changed her" art was circulating on Twitter during my playthrough...no they didn't. Her dialogue in Reload was basically one-to-one with FES, Heather Gonzales matching Megumi Toyoguchi, Yukari's actual OG VA in tone isn't changing Yukari; it's keeping her accurate.
First Comment. Also i think Yukari is done better in Reload because you can tell its more about greif than rage.
I wish the only thing they didn't take out was the key scene but that's it, it doesn't really ruin anything that's it's not in Reload.
You know you can express grief through rage, right?
I get where you're coming from, but I disagree. I thought the manifestation of Yukari's grief was handled wonderfully in The Answer, warts and all. By sanding off some of her rougher edges to make her less "hateable" is to deny her of her agency as a character.
Yeah like yukari kinda felt out of place in fes, I understand what she wanted to do but her breaking down in the spot like that kinda put into question if Aigis was right. It seemed yukari wanted the key out of hatred and not understanding the feelings of others… while having Aigis win and then seeing yukari fall over and say
“You really don’t want to see him again?”
Hurt much more in my opinion, she lost and she accepted that… but she can’t accept that others don’t want to see him
If there's one thing about Episode Aigis I'd like you to cover, it would be that Joker fight. Everything from what I've seen and heard about that fight is unbelievable.
True. I once saw a comment saying that Joker is here because Elizabeth challenged him to steal humanity's heart and free Makoto... As if the dialogue immediately after doesn't tell you that he's here because the Abyss of Time summoned a strong opponent when they wished for one
@@secondaegis9190 I'm sorry... Somebody really said that???
@@avlynkatabiya2849 yes, really. It was so stupid, and speaks volumes about how Persona fans don't play Persona
@@secondaegis9190 My lord. That's honestly kinda crazy, as I haven't even played it myself and I know how wrong that is.
I disagree with the nicer yukari being the better interpretation, just because someone is nice doesn't mean they can't lash out. IN the original she was a bit bitchy and antagonistic but that was because she was grieving she, was jealous and her emotions weren't straght, epsiode Aigis still delivers this, but it hits less well. Human beings can have ugly emotions, and loss can certainly cause them.
I do agree with what you said. Like I said I think she was completely valid in the way she was written and acted in FES, but for me personally I just preferred how Reload approached it with how she bottled her feelings more, but like I also said, the discussion between everyone with the keys is where FES is better than Reload in almost all fronts.
Everyone was disappointed with shadow makoto while i was jsut crying in the corner because of how beautiful it was. Truly my only complaint about the new answer is we got like… 6 seconds of anime Metis.
This dlc meant wonders to me and it was just the cherry ontop of a perfect cake known as persona 3 reload
Finally someone that finally gets it. I haven’t played FES but I’ve watched gameplay which is as close as I’ll get for now and I don’t have reload yet but I’ve been following the changes since it was announced. I expected people to hate P3R since it was revealed especially with the changes to VA’s and more but never did I see such vitriol as when the Answer dropped. I like the new interpretation it brought especially given that if you notice very well Minato has been sinking since the beginning, and I feel like it really conveys depression well as you keep falling until you either get up and rise, stay at the bottom and/or keep sinking. I haven’t finished watching the video and it’s quite early so obliviously I’ll come back to add more thoughts
I personally think the Reload version of the story isn’t an upgrade or downgrade. More of a sidegrade. I prefer Reload version of the story a bit more and especially love the gameplay more than the original.
I hear a lot of people say about this game, "This is worse because, X, Y, and Z..."
Myself... I've never played FES but there are some things I thought were done a little better. For example, the shot of Yukari at the beginning of the main game. I also kinda wish they didn't cut the shot of Fuuka crying in the opening cutscene of The Answer.
That being said if stuff like THIS are the ultimate deciding factors for the quality of video games, then why do we even play video games to begin with? I really cannot recommend P3R and Episode Aigis to any newcomer to the franchise and long time fans are REALLY missing out if they choose to skip out on it. This game to me is so marvelous it may be my favorite in the series (it's a little too early to decide imo) and it was worth all the time.
In terms of the dungeon dialogue, my team for most of the playthrough was Mitsuru, Koro and Yukari and when I went to grind a little after the arena fights they all (including Fuuka) had a dialogue about it which made my day. Did not expect to have all of them take part in it.
I don't get the people that are angry about this DLC.
I think the price is fair and the other stuff in the expansion pass is such a nothing there is literally no need to be angry about it.
And if it is SO UNBEARABLY EXPENSIVE why can't these people just wait for these so called "discounts".
Not buying a game on release day has to my knowledge not killed anybody yet.
Man hearing Akihiko quotes really reminds me how much him in arena/ultimax reels out of place. Great vid
My understanding is that people pretty unanimously hated Yukari in FES answer. So this change was likely a direct response to that criticism
Episode Aigis is infinitely better than The Answer in my opinion except ONE scene.
The scene where Athena metamorphosed into Orpheus. Seeing her transform while charging Mettis will always be a goat moment.
The only thing i felt snubbed out of in reload compared to FES was a makoto portrait in the credits. Seeing him again at the end of the original brand new days hits hard. That said, everything else about the credits is 11/10
As a person who mostly plays Persona 3 in Japanese it's weird for me to hear the complaints because Yukari's tone of voice is a mixture of anger and sadness rather than one or the other on both versions and some of the dialogue is straight up the same.
About Yukari: I play Persona games with the Japanese VO for immersion's sake, but this is one of the rare cases I personally think the vocal performance is a lot better. I do not like her English performance in the key discussion, both in FES (too stoic, feels like I'm watching a debate, more than a genuine emotional discussion) and Reload (emotions still too bottled up), while the Japanese performance really shows her grasping for arguments and only really comprehending what she's saying, when she's saying it, resulting in a more "unstable" delivery in which the emotion the argument entails comes across more genuinely.
Final verdict is basically Aigis' stance before Colosseo Purgatorio. It even is also past vs present!
Ikr ? Imo, i think Episode Aigis is better at capturing how SEES member growth as a whole after Nyx and it feel softer.
meanwhile, in The Answer it feels creepy and mysterious
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The Answer is best for 1st timer.
Meanwhile, Episode Aigis is best for Players who already played The Answer
11:02 You actually do fight Metis in FES but it works the exact same way, where you can never lose to her once your low HP where she hesitates.
The game counts it as a victory and levels you up on the victory screen.
They probably removed the victory screen to transition better to the animated cutscene.
As someone who played the OG The Answer twice, I do think that Episode Aigis is a massvie improvement upon the OG both gameplay and (mostly) story wise.
I do wish they kept Yukari taking the key and trimming down the floors of the Abyss by a bit but outside of that, I realy enjoyed my time.
I also do like the OG cutscenes nearly eqaully to the Reload cutscenes but I do have a bit a preference towards Reloads versions from the more consistent animation.
I'm also glad they changed Mitsurus reasoning with siding with Yukari, I thought she had a pretty weak reason to side with her so I'm glad they fixed that issue for me.
I also did like that Junpei makes a point that they could make a worse future for both the past and present.
Overall, I'm perfectly chill with Episode Aigis since it fixed about 99% of my issues with the OG but I do wish they went the Final Horizon route and made it a free update.
I do prefer the cut scenes from the answer more than episode aigis, but only because I love watching Akihiko dodge bullets like it's nothing. So satisfying. Otherwise I definitely preferred episode Aigis. The extra voice lines were so great. There is one where after you first go to pawllonia mall Akihiko will comment that since it was July of last year than maybe he could find a specific person there, but then immediately dismissed the thought. I have seen so many debates whether he is talking about Makoto or Shinji but I think it doesn't matter because it proves that he also secretly wanted to go back and see someone he cared about and how quick he is to push those thoughts out of his head. It gives way more dimension to this cast and I loved it.
It was most likely Shinji
I think people disliking Episode Aigis Yukari is an extension of the dislike for Reload Yukari. I personally disliked the change to her character in Reload, it just becomes more pronounced how defanged her depiction is in Episode Aigis.
I also dont think you can really "ruin" The Answer because being honest... it wasnt very good to begin with, and always paled in comparison to the journey. I personally dislike the direction Reload took P3 mechanically, but the changes to Episode Aigis are ones people wanted in The Answer, which is the addition of the compendium and a better gameplay to story ratio. Since the DLC has no social sim, making it shorter is in my opinion a mercy to its overall pacing. Do i think either version tells a good story? Ehhhhh. Would i rather play Episode Aigis over The Answer? Absolutely.
Long and short of it for me. Despite the new cutscenes not hitting the same as FES, I got no real other complaints about Reload. It's just preference at the end of the day.
Man I love the dungeon dialogue but god damn could they stop starting the dialogue as soon as I open a menu or go down to the next floor cos I really wanted to hear what they say😭
Yukari saying “it doesn’t matter what I say” is a pretty good sum of people’s opinions on her lmao
I can say this because I did not like FES yukari but reload actually made it so I tolerated her more. All of that lashing out she did at Aigis of all people and then the fact that just because of her grief she didn't think "hey of we go back to past knowing we fight nyx again you'd be in the same position and nothing would have changed" where as in reload she understood that and for the love of god they did the one thing that I was hoping mitsuru would have done and tell this girl what she should have told her. This imo made the reload a lot better than fes. The yukari (fes) version fan base are malding because she's not being bitchkari
Honestly Yukari's more quiet and controlled rage makes more sense for her charachter to me. Flying off the handle does'nt really make sense for her and is more of a Junpei thing. The words feel much more targeted and cutting with the tranquil fury approach. It just feels like she really wants it to sting more and makes it clear she's mostly mad at Aigis over anyone else.
🤔i cant speak on fes since I never played it, but will say episode aigis never disappointed me at all, I get people might think the original is better, but the thing I've heard about fes the answer is that it wasn't a great and people literally hated yukari for how she was acting in fes, so I found it kind of funny how people are now praising the original over the remake now, but anyway I'm glad I've played it
nah yukari not taking the key from aigis completely ruined everything in the answer and wasted my $35 and my entire life
(sarcasam)
Zamn
Also, there is no heterosexual explanation for Yukari and Mitsuru, on either version
I haven’t played the answer in any capacity as the version of p3p I’ve played was portable-can’t access fes tho I don’t think I like it due to the no party control, and would like to play reload but I’m broke af rn-so I’ve only seen videos about the answer but I gotta say you make some pretty good points here! Especially about the shadow makoto scene. I think FES was way more metal and Reload feels very censored-a lot of people in general complained the game got censored in the cutscene and yeah can’t lie it does feel that way at times-but I do like the fact SEES does react to shadow makoto disappearing in the cutscene, I especially love Aigis trying to reach out towards him.
The Key scene was something I’ve grown to be okay with the removal. Yukari in Reload isn’t nearly as aggressive or irritable, her sadness is bitter and hollow instead of infuriating and irritating. She doesn’t need to steal the hey away for what the scene represents for the scene to work.
I think a very very important part of this is that: Reload, Yukari comes off so much less of a bitch. 🤣
There is a difference between a character you don’t like and a bad character sure, but a lot of people don’t understand that, and it makes the message reload is putting out way better received than in FES
Funny thing I still got the intensity of Yukari's arc as I was playing, and it's still so much better than Junpei's outburst when they learn about Nyx. People defend him there but not only was that really irritating to happen a third time it was right after his big emotional arc with Chidori so the outburst felt so damn out of charachter whereas Yukari's motivations felt not only understandable but perfectly natural for her too.
And I even felt this was the case before the reload dlc came out, the Reload version actually fits her better too. I think fans of the orignal versions need to look at this without the nostalgia goggles and more importantly not throw tantrums if someone actually enjoys Reload. This was my first time ever playing it and I found it to be a pretty good game, I have a few minor complaints of my own but they don't take away from the overall experience.
@@Cloud-dt6xb yes man SMT fans will never cease to amaze me, atlus has made nearly top tier levels of rpgs since the 80’s, to a consistent level that other fanbases are jealous, but an smt fan will gatekeep and dickride one game to the heat death of the universe.
Don’t tell a digital devil saga fan that persona 5 is a good game they finna lose their minds 🤣
@@yukotrey9422 I can agree there my first game was Persona 5 Royal and already I'm getting the same this game is the best therefore all others are bad mindset from this fanbase like I get from Final Fantasy fans and that's really freaking annoying.
Yes, it does. They somehow managed to take a divisive story expansion from 17 years ago and made it worse. 105 USD, for a game that never should’ve existed in the first place. Fuck modern gaming.
Persona 3 FES was re released for full price just 1 or 2 years after the OG Persona 3 came out, so if you wanted to play this it would’ve been the same price if not more back then, and that’s not even accounting for inflation, etc.
If you think modern gaming is bad that’s cool for you but let’s not act like FES wasn’t already a scam when it came out. I think the dlc is overpriced too but this video had nothing to do with the price in the first place either, only the divisive story changes.
I really like how they didnt make yukari a big meanie in this version and made her way more understandable for why she feels her grief. Also I fully agree that BOTH are good and what you prefer is completely fair.
I feel like the protagonist turning into a corpse was just done for that 6th gen wow factor, it serves no purpose naritively that he decayed in front of them. But people lach on to those weird moments for some reason and shut down everything that doesn't wtf them as that scene did
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You can't ruin the answer because the answer already sucks lol maybe not in writing, but it was a boring grindfest.
I can't say I agree with this. I'm sure people who never played, or never cared for, FES' version of The Answer will walk away thinking that the differences are negligible, but for me the changes in characterization and tone make the story much weaker. The changes to characterization were done in service of matching the tone of Reload's The Journey and making the hangouts in The Answer work, but they completely kill the drama, tension, and conflict in The Answer. I understand that The Answer was contentious in the FES days, but the tense atmosphere and disconnect between the party members was the whole point of The Answer. I just can't believe that the Yukari that would fight Aigis and the rest of SEES over the chance to save someone that she loves/cares for deeply is the same Yukari that is reading books and watching TV shows with Aigis. At one point, Yukari emphasizes that this is just "her opinion" and she isn't objectively right, which just deflates all tension and makes no sense. If you think this is a difference of opinion, why are you going to such extreme lengths? Reload's changes don't justify the SEES civil war.
I also hated the part where SEES members besides Mitsuru chime in during Yukari's breakdown. It adds nothing to the scene and just follows the classic anime trope of needing to hear input from every character. The focus is on Yukari, Mitsuru, and to a lesser extent, Aigis. We do not need to hear "Yukari-san..." from Ken to understand that the scene is sad.
The whole point of FES' shadow MC cutscene is to represent a moment where SEES is forced to come to terms with the fact that the MC is dead and gone. The whole time, SEES has been avoiding talking about it, trying to just move on and bury the grief they feel. The shadow was there to force the issue. The new cutscene just doesn't have the same impact, it trades striking imagery for a cliche shot of Aigis looking sad and reaching out with her arm.
I appreciate that you at least went through the differences between the two versions and didn't just dismiss the changes as a "more accurate localization." It's clear that the script was changed. I understand that someone can prefer Reload's take on The Answer, but to me it is just a weaker retelling of a contentious, but moving and engaging, story. It isn't just one big change (although the lack of key grab is bad), it is the culmination of a lot of little changes in presentation and tone.
You're conveniently glossing over some of FES Answer's story issues. In a vacuum I loved the FES shadow MC cutscene but narratively the issue was that none of the characters reacted to it (Reload fixed this). That cutscene wasn't made for the characters to accept MC is gone. It was made solely to spook the player (and it did a pretty good job).
Another issue with how FES handled the SEES conflict was that only Yukari felt like she was upset enough to fight everyone else. FES glosses over why everybody else goes along with her and fights. FES isn't sure whether the conflict is fueled by bad blood or just a difference of opinion (and I prefer that Reload commits to the latter).
While there isn't nearly as much tension, I much prefer Reload's handling of the conflict because it feels much more natural and elaborates on the clash of philosophies. Yukari makes the proposal to fight because they're in a stalemate and the group accepts.
If you think a difference of opinion between good friends doesn't justify the civil war then you've completely forgotten the stakes. This is a monumental decision about potentially redoing the Nyx battle. Rock paper scissors won't suffice. Of course they have to go to extreme measures to pick an option.
@@hunterhunter5998 Shadow Makoto is a sort of representation of the regrets that the members of SEES have over the death of the MC. The disintegration bit is shocking and it almost feels like a demonic entity is taunting them over the death of their friend, forcing them to confront the painful truth. Regardless of the interpretation, I think there was no reason to change one of the most memorable and unsettling moments in The Answer. If you wanted to add more reactions, that is fine, but there was no reason to tone down the unsettling imagery imo.
I would also say that the reactions from SEES in the actual cutscene are kinda half assed, just Aigis doing the cliche "no don't go!" reaching out movement and everyone else doing the standard anime "HUH?!" The post fight dialogue is almost exactly the same, so they didn't really add much in terms of a reaction from the other members of SEES. I agree with you that FES was missing a scene like this. It could have been a really powerful moment, like Yukari could have just lost her shit here and snapped, providing a nice segway into her change of mentality for the argument. I agree that there could have been more emphasis on SEES reaction, but what Reload adds doesn't really do much for me.
In FES, the conflict starts out as a more level headed debate, and then Akihiko makes it personal by accusing Yukari of essentially being a coward unable to face the past. Yukari takes this personally and accuses Ken and Akihiko of being hypocrites and it all spirals out from there. In FES they get across the philosophical implications just fine, Yukari wants to fix the past (even if it means facing Nyx again and possibly dooming the world), Akihiko wants to just move on into the future (without learning the truth behind the MC's death and finding closure), and Junpei just wants to keep the group together (even if he needs to do it by force).
I think the removed tension makes the fighting feel more forced, if it is just a philosophical debate and there is no bad blood, then why resort to violence? Why not put it to a vote? Like you said, I am aware of the stakes of the decision and the complexity of the dilemma, how none of the teams are really "in the right." In Reload, it feels like the characters are not acting with an appropriate sense of urgency and intensity. The tension and strong emotions are what pushes the philosophical debate into a full blown fight. It just feels so passionless now.
When you compare the scenes side by side, Reload Yukari comes across as so passionless and pathetic by comparison, literally collapsing for no reason after the Aigis fight, whereas in FES, Yukari, despite losing, still fights tooth and nail for the key and only after she is told that she has lost her chance, collapses in despair. FES Yukari was abrasive and unlikable, but she also displayed a sense of conviction that made her more sympathetic in the end. I think toning down the intensity with Yukari specifically makes it less impactful. This toning down of the intensity is not a problem specific to Yukari, but it is most noticeable with her.
@@NovaKaiser21 for the Shadow Makoto scene they had two choices: change the cutscene to match the reactions/dialogue or change the dialogue to match the cutscene. Both would've worked for me but Reload chose the former (a subdued somber reaction is good enough because it's not as shocking or grotesque). FES has quite a few of these errors/discrepancies between the anime cutscenes and the game (like long hair yukari or no dark hour lighting) so this is probably another jarring discrepancy to add to the list.
I understand that FES tries to portray the conflict as a level headed debate until Yukari fires back at Akihiko. The problem is nobody gets heated like Yukari, not even Akihiko. How is this spiraling out of control? Why does everyone silently go along with Yukari? It's very unconvincing to me. If FES wanted to go this route they needed to find good reasons why everybody else would be pissed at each other.
Reload's portrayal is not a philosophical debate but a stalemate. Unlike a debate, nobody is open to changing their mind. A vote wouldn't solve anything because those in the minority still wouldn't hand over their keys (the stakes are way too high). With the clock ticking and Yukari's proposal, they reluctantly agree to fight because they see no other way to break the stalemate. This is a rare case where hurting each other is the lesser evil from their viewpoints because the alternative is potentially endangering the world.
Overall I think Reload enriched the philosophical components of the conflict (especially with how Aigis learns a bit from each perspective) and made it feel more natural BECAUSE there isn't any bad blood. I also think it fits the rest of the script better too like when Yukari is encouraging Aigis before they fight (the English dub wrongly makes her sound sarcastic btw).
I don't have strong feelings over which Yukari portrayal I prefer. I think they're both excellent in their own ways but if you clearly prefer her FES version (minus the exaggerated voice direction) then more power to you.
@@hunterhunter5998 I'm pointing out that the changes to the Shadow Makoto cutscene do not fix your problem with the original cutscene, the lack of reaction by SEES. Even though there were some discrepancies in the OG cutscenes, they were far and away better directed and more visually interesting than anything that came out of Reload. But no, it is a much better cutscene now because we get to see all the SEES members going "HUH!?" in the background. Real crucial information that adds a lot. And what are you arguing here, you LIKE that they took a really striking and memorable scene and made it less impactful? Even if the reaction makes sense in the context of Reload, why is it a good thing that this story moment is less provocative/interesting?
Yes, the other members of SEES do get heated during the debate. In FES, Yukari calls Junpei a coward and Ken and Akihiko a bunch of self-centered hypocrites. Ken and Akihiko are so offended by this that they both jump out of their seat. This part of the debate is missing from the Reload version and is instead replaced by wishy washy dialogue where Yukari talks about how everyone needs to be in touch with their feelings. Again, completely ruining any sort of tension or drama to present a corny, sanitized version of the conflict.
You are right that what ultimately forces SEES to fight is the ticking clock element of the time loop falling apart. This element of the story is present in FES as well. What I am complaining about is that the lack of passion and intensity, of sheer emotion. It feels like a weaker and more dethatched way of presenting the conflict.
What does Reload add that "enriched the philosophical components of the conflict?" In FES the philosophical or moral conflict is still presented to the player. After you return from the Colosseum, you can talk to everyone and they will reflect on why they were wrong in this conflict. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by sarcastic tone, the pre battle dialogue sounds fine to me. Yukari is relieved that Aigis is regaining her humanity. One of the things that pissed off Yukari the most was that Aigis, despite the fact that she got to be there for the MC in his final moments, was running away and rejecting her humanity. She is relieved to finally see some conviction, some humanity from Aigis, even if they still have to fight.
@@NovaKaiser21 I think Reload's version of the shadow MC cutscene fits better into the story/dialogue but I love the FES one too (despite them both going for completely different tones). We'll just agree to disagree on that.
In FES Ken and Akihiko get momentarily offended by Yukari but still neither of them are very angry. Junpei didn't get angry with her at all. I love Yukari's passion but ultimately the FES conflict breaks down for me cuz nobody else is matching her aggressive energy. The other issue is that with this more aggressive and isolated Yukari, I believe SEES would first stop her from being a threat then figure out what to do amongst themselves.
Yes Reload's version of the conflict lacks passion (cuz they'd rather not fight) and drama (cuz they voluntarily sign onto Yukari's proposal) but ultimately it's a big upgrade for me writing wise cuz it's way more believable. Reload making it so the others were unaware of the potential danger to Aigis's life was another massive improvement for me.
As for how Reload enriches the conflict, I love Junpei's new pre-battle dialogue/reasoning way more. Akihiko's argument to Yukari is also presented better. I also love how Aigis learns from Junpei and Yukari's perspectives over the course of the battles.
I see where you're coming from and respect your opinion. I agree the FES conflict was spicier and more passionate but for me certain components of the execution just didn't add up. I think Reload's version of the conflict is much more believable despite losing that spice which is why I now prefer it. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
Idgaf bruh just gimme my cookie and I'm out
12:53 Out of all of the changes made, this is actually one of the few I don’t mind. Mainly because we get to see how the characters react as the phantom of their former friend dissipates. Something we don’t get in FES.
1:10 Yukari was a character that I initially had no strong feelings towards, neither loving her or hating her outright to now she is a character that I like a lot more now. (I still prefer Aigis).
But it’s mainly because it takes understanding her grief in the answer. And it makes more sense to have her sadness be in the forefront rather than constantly lashing out at every turn.
That being said, her lashing out was vital to the buildup to the S.E.E.S. fight and her eventual breakdown. So there is a loss that ultimately wasn’t needed IMO.
1:21 Actually, more in line with her Japanese voice direction.
1:51 like darn, are you not concerned that Aigis could have potentially have died?
2:23 exactly!
4:04 I wish they didn’t keep this line, both in FES AND RELOAD. Both endings clearly depict Aigis being the first person to be with Makoto.
If they had kept the Portable NG+ Ending where you can have any of your love interests reach Makoto while Aigis hides, then Yukari’s line would make more sense.
5:49 This was actually a smart call. It makes Aigis’ anger and rejection of Metis more believable.
6:20 I actually think the best way I would have done this, is not for Yukari to snatch the key, but to actually shake Aigis and beg her into going back to the pass. So it’s a mixture of her desperation in FES and her grief and Reload.
9:14 this alone is honestly much more of a healthy relationship for Yukari as a whole than with Makoto IMO.
Bro Yukari It's my mature in the reload than the older version. I promise you if she behaves similar as the older version all the people will be a lot more complaining compared to what she is right now matured.
Yukari in the answer was dumb and annoying. Like she wanted to go back to the last battle where at that point they couldn’t stop the fall . When I just go to the hangman and stop themselves from killing it.
Reload Yukari just says she wants to go and doesn’t specify which is much smarter and in general she’s less annoying and makes me feel bad for her
Why wouldn't she want to go back? They had no idea Nyx couldn't actually be defeated without Makoto's sacrifice until they saw it for themselves
@@connorharnage6697 “they had no idea Nyx couldn’t be defeated”
Ryoji: do I not exist to you?
@@aresrivera9744 Yes and did they believe him? Akihiko even said he wouldn't believe Ryoji until they saw it for himself
@@connorharnage6697 they experienced it firsthand they were utterly useless and pathetic and they saw how makoto was the only one who can even stand up let alone fight.
It is actually the definition of insanity to the same thing and expected different results. Like there’s no defending that.
Reload did the smart thing made it vague
@@aresrivera9744 And they don't know HOW he did that. The only people who knew what happened in that moment were Makoto, Ryoji and Igor. There was absolutely no reason to believe that was the only way
I really didnt like The Journey in Persona 3. Everything from the characters and plot are very lackluster compared to P4 and P5. Since I had a very bad experience with P3R. I've been reluctant to give the answer a try since I dont really like Aegis as a character. However since I already have the answer cus it was an impulse buy I might just end up playing it anyways. Good video man 👍
nah Yukari is way better in Fez than in Reload
early
Still despise it, sorry. no cause of Aigis (I like her as a character), because what they did to him.
Him?
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@@TheJaredPunch MakotoY
They didn't even do anything that bad? His soul's a seal now, that's all
@@connorharnage6697 Even Drukman is more merciful