Just as a disclaimer: It absolutely is an "unfair advantage", but one that ruins the market way less, than unclean undercuts (By 100 + Gil) It's a shame, that Console Players can't use it and of course bannable. So only use it fairly and don't just camp the Retainer all day long
It's a stupid plugin while I don't mind random people to use it, many botters out there are using it and they are the real problem, until SE fix botting (which is likely not gonna happen) this will be a problematic plugin.
A big problem with current undercutting is not the penny less people it's the 100k less on an item people, if everyone had this the market would stabilize a bit easier... probably.
@@Saieden don't be mistaken. If i sell my stuff (and i only list one item and not all of them at once) i just put in a new item and be lower again. Granted i don't undercut by 100k, but trying to buy out competition is a bad advice and can burn new players really bad, if they're tight on Gil.
@@snoozebutton9996 Wholesale buyout, I definitely agree, but the odd snipe here and there, and where it makes sense, is fair game imo. I disagree that it negatively affects new players though, simply because there's nothing that is required from the marketboard to do content. I also trickle my items onto market, especially high value stacks and when I find undersupplied unstackables. I physically do not have time to camp the board and bell all day, so I make the bank I need with cunning instead ;)
@@Saieden Same with the cunning part. Some Strategies still work even if the undercutting is running rampant. Sometimes it's more of a marathon than a sprint, but if you know your server you can still make some nice gil. And i agree with the odd snipe here and there. Just doing it over and over again is a bad strategy. I've seen a few new players burning through their gil trying to keep the prices high. That's why i think the emphasis on the "odd snipe here and there" is important.
It's still so wild to me that SE still to this point has done nothing to address how awful the marketboard is. They should front load the tax by making the person listening the item pay a small fee, which also dissuades people from rapidly relisting an item to undercut. Also, you shouldn't have to care about stack size when listing items, buyers should just see the number of listings for an item at each price available from everyone (which also massively cuts down on clutter). It'd be so much nicer if I could just throw up a stack of items and have people buy however many they want out of it.
This is how my old game worked. 5% listing fee tax just to put for sale for 48 hours tops before auto removed from selling. Every price change was another 5% of profit you lost so we never did this stupid 1 gil undercut because it doesn't take long to lose 20-30% of the original intended price. Would you rather waste time and lose 20-30% or undercut by 15-20% to stoke an immediate sell.
I really do hate this myth that 1 gil undercutting saves a market. It's a failed attempt to try to counter a demand vs. supply problem inside of the market. Massive undercuts happen because supply exceeds demand while simultaneously one person or more has a high demand for selling right then. It is a loss of overall funds to stayed glued to your retainer to constantly check for 1 gil undercuts as opposed to going to back to crafting or farming. The point of massive undercuts isn't just to sell first, it's to find a price that you won't be undercut with that you can bulk sell at. 1 gil undercut is something for people new to a market/a visitor. It is not a long term, I run this market pricing strategy that optimizes sales because you're sharing profits instead of maximizing them. The reason every meaningful market has decent undercuts and not 1 gil undercuts is because for people who main at making gil, whether as a hobby or for RMT, don't want to share profits. Sharing profits lowers your total income because you end up with a backstock of things to sell. A 1gil undercut market will never hold unless its in some random trash market or on a dead server. But thanks for promoting a plugin that's one out-of-game basic macro from automatic undercutting since checking prices and typing out prices are gone now.
@@SugarPopoto Time is an opportunity cost. If an item sells at a higher value, but it takes longer to sell, then that's retainer "shelf space" that could have been used to possibly ship 2x or 3x the product amount at a lower price point.
Do I need Dalamudcrashhandler? I see it running in Task Manager and I don't see any use for it other than clogging my XIVlauncher folder with useless txt files. I have not had a game crash since moving onto a Xeon workstation class desktop with a GTX 1080 and 32 gb of quad channel memory. I'm using Penumbra and LOTS of mods and dalamud plugins.
You do realize that making public videos showcasing these plugins like this makes this more known and more likely to get fire from SQUARE right? I get wanting to share a cool thing for people to use but It It adds more pressure onto not only the dalamud devs but the individual author as well. "Don't be afraid using them. I should be afraid promoting them." Wouldn't a better way of handeling this had been to make a "XIV Plugins that should be built in" type of video? You could be a little less direct with "Hey these 3rd party tools and plugins make game easier auto copy and undercut." To more of a discussion about what things are really needed and would be better for the game itself. Maybe this is just me being paranoid and afraid especially with 7.0 looming closer and closer and could likely permanently break plugins and mods for a very long time and will see a switch to DX12.
@@phux That's stupid as hell, you are the only person losing by doing that. Most of the time people will resell your lower item for profit, you don't really do any difference
But unless people protect the market item prices may drop to their 1/4 or 1/10 in a day, even without any changes in supply or demand - some just get scared at the concept of not selling, and spiral into an undercut loop. It’s pretty bad for suppliers who buy materials, risking their material costs will exceed their gains, then if they decide to abandon selling the item then supply drops and prices skyrocket, while material prices also drop bc there is noone to absorb them. 🤷🏻♀️ I think it’s less frustrating for everyone this way, and everyone likes their efforts amply rewarded
It's the same thing here. But right now a reasonable way to stop people from undercutting too much, or at least start with yourself. Its a clear advantage nonetheless and I would not deny that.
I don't mind people clicking less to change prices, but I think there needs to be like a 30 minute (or longer!) cooldown on changing prices. Or maybe changing prices should come with a fee so that people have to be strategic on how often/by how much they lower their prices. Right now the market on some servers on some items are basically completely on lockdown by people who leave their characters running all day. They either manually update their prices a lot (maybe they work from home and can do that all day long) or they have some kind of script/bot running that periodically updates all of their prices every X minutes. I don't mind competing against Humans and I don't mind if something cuts down on menu clutter. But automation is basically impossible to compete against without breaking the ToS and using automation yourself.
> they have some kind of script/bot running that periodically updates all of their prices every X minutes Yes, I wrote a script to automatically undercut for me. And no, you can't fool it by deliberately setting extremely low prices.
I feel it is safe to use, I use them and also UI too. But I have Question. wonder is it ok to stream? is it safe to use them in stream? or have a chance to get ban if stream?
Oooohoho, be careful bc if I only got or made one of an item I don’t plan on mass producing, I will put that in much cheaper. Why? Of course for mass producers to buy it off me, while they too can get a reasonable cut reselling it. 🤷🏻♀️ I only need a quick sell to empty my bags . So don’t accidentally undercut that- I don’t seem to be alone doing this sometimes. Also selling pentamelded gear is interesting to me, bc those without professions cannot overmeld even using an NPC it seems. I wasn’t aware, and didn’t get the point for a while.😮
this plugin is so dumb.. pretty annoying to get undercut by summoning bell campers who can just update their whole mb in like 20 seconds. i know im probs preaching to the wrong crowd here but uuugh, its such an advantage over the non modders.
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Just as a disclaimer:
It absolutely is an "unfair advantage", but one that ruins the market way less, than unclean undercuts (By 100 + Gil)
It's a shame, that Console Players can't use it and of course bannable.
So only use it fairly and don't just camp the Retainer all day long
I honestly wish they'd just have a 15m cooldown of some kind, but it would probably be way too much data to store an extra timestamp on every listing.
describe using a mod that unbalances market "fairly"?
That BS
I wrote a script to automatically undercut for me.
It's a stupid plugin while I don't mind random people to use it, many botters out there are using it and they are the real problem, until SE fix botting (which is likely not gonna happen) this will be a problematic plugin.
A big problem with current undercutting is not the penny less people it's the 100k less on an item people, if everyone had this the market would stabilize a bit easier... probably.
That's exactly why I use it now and people should do too
When plugins are down, very large undercuts like that you can simply buy it and resell later if it's just one listing for a gear piece.
@@Saieden don't be mistaken. If i sell my stuff (and i only list one item and not all of them at once) i just put in a new item and be lower again. Granted i don't undercut by 100k, but trying to buy out competition is a bad advice and can burn new players really bad, if they're tight on Gil.
@@snoozebutton9996 Wholesale buyout, I definitely agree, but the odd snipe here and there, and where it makes sense, is fair game imo. I disagree that it negatively affects new players though, simply because there's nothing that is required from the marketboard to do content. I also trickle my items onto market, especially high value stacks and when I find undersupplied unstackables. I physically do not have time to camp the board and bell all day, so I make the bank I need with cunning instead ;)
@@Saieden Same with the cunning part. Some Strategies still work even if the undercutting is running rampant. Sometimes it's more of a marathon than a sprint, but if you know your server you can still make some nice gil.
And i agree with the odd snipe here and there. Just doing it over and over again is a bad strategy. I've seen a few new players burning through their gil trying to keep the prices high. That's why i think the emphasis on the "odd snipe here and there" is important.
It's still so wild to me that SE still to this point has done nothing to address how awful the marketboard is. They should front load the tax by making the person listening the item pay a small fee, which also dissuades people from rapidly relisting an item to undercut. Also, you shouldn't have to care about stack size when listing items, buyers should just see the number of listings for an item at each price available from everyone (which also massively cuts down on clutter). It'd be so much nicer if I could just throw up a stack of items and have people buy however many they want out of it.
This is how my old game worked. 5% listing fee tax just to put for sale for 48 hours tops before auto removed from selling. Every price change was another 5% of profit you lost so we never did this stupid 1 gil undercut because it doesn't take long to lose 20-30% of the original intended price. Would you rather waste time and lose 20-30% or undercut by 15-20% to stoke an immediate sell.
Make sure nobody is selling one item for super cheap and you undercut the super cheap one by 1 gil:D
Oh that is right, definitely make sure to keep an eye on that
I really do hate this myth that 1 gil undercutting saves a market. It's a failed attempt to try to counter a demand vs. supply problem inside of the market. Massive undercuts happen because supply exceeds demand while simultaneously one person or more has a high demand for selling right then. It is a loss of overall funds to stayed glued to your retainer to constantly check for 1 gil undercuts as opposed to going to back to crafting or farming. The point of massive undercuts isn't just to sell first, it's to find a price that you won't be undercut with that you can bulk sell at. 1 gil undercut is something for people new to a market/a visitor. It is not a long term, I run this market pricing strategy that optimizes sales because you're sharing profits instead of maximizing them. The reason every meaningful market has decent undercuts and not 1 gil undercuts is because for people who main at making gil, whether as a hobby or for RMT, don't want to share profits. Sharing profits lowers your total income because you end up with a backstock of things to sell. A 1gil undercut market will never hold unless its in some random trash market or on a dead server. But thanks for promoting a plugin that's one out-of-game basic macro from automatic undercutting since checking prices and typing out prices are gone now.
you are the reason people dread selling their things on the mb
Nah, massive undercuts happen because people are too impatient to wait for stuff to sell and will undercut like crazy within 3 minutes
@@SugarPopoto if you farm faster than the selling rate, that's not impatience, that's logic.
@@SugarPopoto Time is an opportunity cost. If an item sells at a higher value, but it takes longer to sell, then that's retainer "shelf space" that could have been used to possibly ship 2x or 3x the product amount at a lower price point.
Do I need Dalamudcrashhandler? I see it running in Task Manager and I don't see any use for it other than clogging my XIVlauncher folder with useless txt files. I have not had a game crash since moving onto a Xeon workstation class desktop with a GTX 1080 and 32 gb of quad channel memory. I'm using Penumbra and LOTS of mods and dalamud plugins.
You do realize that making public videos showcasing these plugins like this makes this more known and more likely to get fire from SQUARE right?
I get wanting to share a cool thing for people to use but It It adds more pressure onto not only the dalamud devs but the individual author as well.
"Don't be afraid using them. I should be afraid promoting them."
Wouldn't a better way of handeling this had been to make a "XIV Plugins that should be built in" type of video? You could be a little less direct with "Hey these 3rd party tools and plugins make game easier auto copy and undercut." To more of a discussion about what things are really needed and would be better for the game itself.
Maybe this is just me being paranoid and afraid especially with 7.0 looming closer and closer and could likely permanently break plugins and mods for a very long time and will see a switch to DX12.
fr, especially since his display name is public in some vids. its just asking for a ban lmao
as a console player trying to make money through crafting , this just makes me sad.
don't be sad! I'm playing on PC and i can't be arsed to use mods. It works fine enough without a mod.
Just do as I do and undercut the f*** out of them. Repost item by -1 Gil, I’m going down 50-100k each time.
@@phux That's stupid as hell, you are the only person losing by doing that. Most of the time people will resell your lower item for profit, you don't really do any difference
@@phuxThanks for the cheap stuff to resell
I also make lots of money from crafting. i just don't do it manually.
I disagree that people undercut too much. It's a market. Prices change.
But unless people protect the market item prices may drop to their 1/4 or 1/10 in a day, even without any changes in supply or demand - some just get scared at the concept of not selling, and spiral into an undercut loop. It’s pretty bad for suppliers who buy materials, risking their material costs will exceed their gains, then if they decide to abandon selling the item then supply drops and prices skyrocket, while material prices also drop bc there is noone to absorb them. 🤷🏻♀️ I think it’s less frustrating for everyone this way, and everyone likes their efforts amply rewarded
i remember when you called the market board plugin "cheating"
It's the same thing here. But right now a reasonable way to stop people from undercutting too much, or at least start with yourself.
Its a clear advantage nonetheless and I would not deny that.
You'll say anything for views lol @@DesperiusFFXIV
I don't mind people clicking less to change prices, but I think there needs to be like a 30 minute (or longer!) cooldown on changing prices. Or maybe changing prices should come with a fee so that people have to be strategic on how often/by how much they lower their prices.
Right now the market on some servers on some items are basically completely on lockdown by people who leave their characters running all day. They either manually update their prices a lot (maybe they work from home and can do that all day long) or they have some kind of script/bot running that periodically updates all of their prices every X minutes.
I don't mind competing against Humans and I don't mind if something cuts down on menu clutter. But automation is basically impossible to compete against without breaking the ToS and using automation yourself.
> Or maybe changing prices should come with a fee
This is so fucking stupid. I'm glad you have no power to influence the game whatsoever.
> they have some kind of script/bot running that periodically updates all of their prices every X minutes
Yes, I wrote a script to automatically undercut for me. And no, you can't fool it by deliberately setting extremely low prices.
Yeah sorry brother, I think this one's gonna have to go on the third-party software report form.
Karen behavior
It's one of the most harmless quality of life fixes. What a roob
Set the undercut to 2 so if someone undercuts at the same time you're still lower.
I feel it is safe to use, I use them and also UI too. But I have Question. wonder is it ok to stream? is it safe to use them in stream? or have a chance to get ban if stream?
It is absolutely not safe to stream them. People been catching bans for it.
Oooohoho, be careful bc if I only got or made one of an item I don’t plan on mass producing, I will put that in much cheaper. Why? Of course for mass producers to buy it off me, while they too can get a reasonable cut reselling it. 🤷🏻♀️ I only need a quick sell to empty my bags . So don’t accidentally undercut that- I don’t seem to be alone doing this sometimes.
Also selling pentamelded gear is interesting to me, bc those without professions cannot overmeld even using an NPC it seems. I wasn’t aware, and didn’t get the point for a while.😮
naw im still gunna undercut people by like 100k
Thanks Des!
Ugh
Im using it for quit a bit now and love it so much😄
this plugin is so dumb.. pretty annoying to get undercut by summoning bell campers who can just update their whole mb in like 20 seconds. i know im probs preaching to the wrong crowd here but uuugh, its such an advantage over the non modders.
chiale
Well, just use the mod and be happy or go live your life, this is just a shortcut
@@rodrigoniche console players cant use a plugin. It is an unfair advantage and that should not be a thing.
@@xtreem115 No need to involve console players here, Devs and Yoshida are agains use of mods in games.
Just hope We get denovo or some shit soon.
Denuvo is not the answer. If you think the lag/rubberbanding is bad, it would 10x worse with Denuvo.
oh man this sucks hahaha
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Promoting cheating and botting tools, very nice.
LMAO how is this cheating/botting some people are so dumb. just a qol tool that helps people from stupidly undercutting by a lot.