First Cut Hay: Fleet of 4 John Deere Tractors & MoCo Mowers
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- In this video we spend time out in an alfalfa field with 4 John Deere R series tractors and 946 MoCos. Learn why this farm relies on three 245 hp John Deere 8245R tractors and one 7210R to their alfalfa 7 times a year.
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BTP I must say, you are by far my favorite UA-cam. The quality of the videos is second to none, seriously thank you for producing great content! However, as a heavy equipment operator on a dairy running triple mowers I will say that this operation is insanely inefficient. The cost of having 4 operators, running 4 big tractors and 4 mowers is much more than selling their 7210R for a 7230-7250R with a front pto and hitch and running tripples. If they kept 1 moco and switched their 7R to tripples they would without a doubt increase their current production by at least 25% while running 2 tractors and 2 operators.
You put up some of the best videos because you never add silly music to them I prefer the sound of the machinery like this Thank you for the upload......
Thank you for watching. I think the best music is the sound of the engine and the machinery at work.
Always love watching the cutting, raking and baling of hay. Good stuff.
Thank you BTP for the time and work you put into making video's for us to watch.
Thank you for watching. You are a top BTP fan it’s fun getting out in the field to film these.
Enjoyed hay harvesting. Also the associated costs running a dairy/cattle farm/ranch. Well Done BTP 🚜👍🇺🇸
The 945/946 is an awesome center pivot discbine. Main bearing at the end of the tongue went out on both of ours at one point or another but Deere really has had the best cutterbar in the industry.
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Copy that. As a child in Montana, we had Hesston and New Holland equipment for the hay work.
I would enjoy that job. I've cut hay years ago on our farm but not with machinery like that. MF pulltype mower behind a Cockshutt 40 gas tractor. Then a NH side deplivery rake behind a Ford 8N. Baling was done with NH 273 square baler behind the Cockshutt 40. These tractors had no cabs. I sat out in the heat, dust, pollen, mosquitos, wind and rain. That was all the easy part. The real work began when the bales were picked by hand and loaded on a hay rack, stacked and hauled in and again handled by hand to be stacked again in the feed yard. Some were tossed up into the hayloft of the big hip roofed barn. All this before breakfast lol.
Thank you for sharing. My first job was staking square bales.
Great Video BTP, I suspect the main and most valid reason farmers use Moco's for alfalfa is it has a steel roller conditioning unit compared with fail on the triples and rubber roller on the NH self propelled unit, most alfalfa growers are very fussy about their cutting, conditioning and harvesting process, thanks for sharing
Definitely a another great video from BTP!! We run a John Deere 835 MoCo!! Pull it with a John Deere 4440!! Definitely does a great job of mowing hay!!!
Very nice mowing team. The 4440 is one of the all time greats.
@bigtractorpower yes it most definitely is!! 4020 was another great tractor built by John Deere too!!
They are cutting hay and here in Wisconsin we are waiting for SNOW!!The weather is nuts!!
Sorry you are getting late snow.
@@bigtractorpower, was seeing it's going to get down to 20° in North Central Montana this coming week. BRRR, there needin to get that Spring wheat in the ground.
Miserable is what it’s gonna be. I’m in southwest wi and no one here is looking forward to the snow
Thanks for the videos! Nothing better then the smell of fresh cut hay!
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I like the smell of freshly cut alfalfa. It makes good financial sense to have multiple tractors and mocos. If one goes down you can still harvest the alfalfa
Fresh cut hay has a great smell. 👍
@@bigtractorpower, another great smell, is a freshly cultivated field in Montana, with just the slightest amount of moisture. Ahh yeah. But now, just dump all that toxic chemical all over the place. I know, I know. Keep the costs down and save all the moisture loss possible.
I wish I could smell the hay I love the smell of fresh cut hay!
👍 my favorite time of year.
Hear ya. Then to smell a horse's sweat that's been eating good 16% protein hay. The Budweiser Clydesdales in particular. Those critters are so pampered. Watched a handler brushing one at a local County fair once upon a time.
Thanks for the good explanation of the financial decision tree involved with equipment.
Excellent video, the machinery is amazing and the comment, about the machins are very technician. Congratulations for you program, I see it all the time. 👍
Great video. Really cool to see so many mowers in the field
It is neat seeing them run back and forth.
If only I could smell that fresh alfalfa
We need 4d UA-cam 😁
Awesome as always!!!
They’re cutting hay and we’re looking at snowy conditions this weekend. Ugh.
Same same, I wish we´d start planting over here but I´m looking out the window and it´s just pouring rain and we got forecast ground frost again. Great conditions when you already started tillage.
LOVE me some JD MoCos, great cutters!
They do a good job.
A fresh cut hay field sure is pretty
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I can smell that fresh cut hay in my mind can’t wait here in Western NY. Thanks for the reminder!
👍 hopefully WNY will be chopping hay by Memorial Day.
👍 hopefully in WNY be Memorial Day.
Awesome BTP, you blow the whistle and give the answers on any questions there might be I guess, well done it is great to see the fleet
Thank Jan and for commenting on so many BTP video. You are appreciated.
Fantastic!, Can almost smell that glorious fragrance, always my favorite times of year on the farm, beginning of haying, beginning of corn silage
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Great explanation...Thank you
Certainly do enjoy your videos sir. I'm an old farm boy from Montana, residing in North Carolina. Also addicted to the videos from Welker Farms, Shelby MT, as I'm from Hill County MT. Two counties East of Toole County MT, Shelby. Hill County has the most farmed acres in the Treasure State. The home of Northern Manufacturing who built the best tractors in the World, Big Bud.
Montana is a beautiful state. I visited Havre, Ft. Benton and Big Sandy in 2007. I hope to go back some time. Thank you for watching BTP.
The guy at 1.50 is like "yeah im a hard worker"
Opening up a new section.
Haha
As always, indepth knowledge and a passion, that you pass on to us . Very cool BTP
Thank you for watching.
Nice looking alfalfa very clean.😎
Thank you for again an excellent video! The day I develop my farm I'm going to fly you in and discuss my plans first!!!
Thank you for watching BTP.
Lovely video. Thanks for showing.
Thank you for watching.
Awesome video very informative I myself always loved this time of year. When I was a kid I lived next to a dairy farm and across the street was their field for hay. I always loved watching them out in the field mowing. I drove by there today and it looks like its almost that time for them to get the mower out.
Outstanding explanation again BTP. The bestest agri field channel for sure and a long while methinks. Maybe one day you will win a prize, a recognition of some sort. TYFS
Thank you for watching and posting. I enjoy getting out to film these machines to share on UA-cam.
Lol I can smell that hay now. Pretty awesome. We have snow coming our way this weekend. Yeppie. Western New York. Not much farming done around here.
Sorry about the snow. It is 77 here today. Wish I could send the Warner weather to WNY.
Lol that would be great if you could send some good weather. Your videos are always great 👍 keep them coming.
Amazing video sir!!! Nice field on there!!!
Thank you for watching and commenting on many of the BTP videos.
Good video Stefan 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 from Sweden
Thank you for watching. Very cool to have a viewer in Sweden.
Now I'm hungry for alfalfa
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Appreciate the video BTP.
Thank you for watching.
Nice video and that’s one hell of a fleet
HAY there, good informative video as always :)
Ahhh. I see what you did there...😂🤣😅
@@leebob86 :P
Thank you for watching.
Ahhh the satisfaction of moving I love it! I love driving a joystick Iazzy mover! Great vid as always!
Thank you for watching.
I love the hay videos the sound and I wish computers had the smells u get when cutting hay
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Brings to mind the farmer's answer to the reporter after winning the powerball, ' jest keep farmin' till its gone ' ! That's nearly a million buck investment out there in just the mowing equipment . The crop still hasn't been harvested and ensiled or baled ! And at $230K per who can afford to park that much money for long ? It needs to be earning its way on an almost daily basis ! Great video ! Even better commentary !
Thank you for arching and commenting. It is a big investment for s big job.
You do a superb job. Thank you
Thank you for watching.
Great video as usual. Been excited for the 2019 springtime videos and as always better and better every time. I have wondered so many times what the advantages disadvantages to owning 4 of each unit. That’s a lot of money vs a self propelled as well as triple mowers. This just makes so much sense. And love hearing realistic price ranges on this equipment that I don’t have much experience in.
Thank you for watching.
Great job Mike.
Thank you for watching.
Great video🤘🏻
Those are nice John Deere tractors. Nothing Runs Like A Deere.
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That's a pretty awesome setup they have.
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Thank You for your video and explanation on why it's done that way. I'm from New Zealand I have nothing to do with farming but I absolutely loved seeing tractors working in the fields around where I live I always wonder what they are up to and why. I play farming simulator 19 which is a great game thank you so much again for what you do it's really appreciated
Thank you for watching. Farming Simulator is a great game. I hope these videos can help expand FS play.
Another fantastic video. Always informative and with great footage devoid of annoying music. I watch all the euro vids too and it's always like "damn guys are we farming? Or going clubbing?"
Thank you for watching. I think the best music is the sound of the engine.
My favourite part of farming.👍🏻
One of mine as well.
Interesting seeing a Fleet cutting hay
Thank you for watching.
Another channel has a video in which a young man built a bridge hitch so he can pull two pull type hay mowers. I think those JD’s have enough power to run two pull type mowers and their fields look open enough for it not to be a hassle to manage two of them at a time.
Great video, well explained
Thank you for watching.
Nice video. Thanks.
Thank you for watching.
cool video as usual. it's funny as soon as the video started I said to myself...I wonder why they run all those small mowers lol.
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Now that'll sure get it done in a hurry!
They sure do. This fleet can cover about 50 acres an hour.
Well spring has sprung can't believe the first cutting is going on
Yes first cut is late April and 7th cut will be early November.
Big Tractors for Mowing....
They do allot of jobs with these tractors. They are well used.
Yeah that was a really interesting video thanks for sharing that
It’s a nice farming operation to visit. Thank you for watching.
Nothing like the smell of fresh cut Alfalfa, yes-sa...wonder is those guys are having any luck staying awake going back and forth .
It is a great smell in the spring.
Nice looking alfalfa 😎
Brand new seeding.
Bet that smelled good
Fresh cut hay is always nice.
Glad to hear the reasons on the choices.i am from an area where don't make much hay.so use bigger machines when doing it
one other thing ,and i dont know anything about alfalfa at all but in england they would probably be mowing at 15 to 17 mph in a field that flat
It’s a new seeding and ground was a bit tacky so they did not want to tear it up but with more rain on the way it was time to go.
We only need one operator when we do mowing and therefore one tractor. Reducing investment costs and ongoing costs (fuel, wages etc) we have got triples with swathers (class disco 8550 as) whoch stands for auto swather. We got them for approximately 6000usd and for the tractor we have a 2008 same iron 210 with front linkage and front pto. This is an 8.5 metre setup and we travel at 16-24 kph . (Up to 15mph)
That is a nice set up. How many acres do you mow per cutting and how many cutting do you mow per year? This farm raises grain and mills cows. These tractors will each see 1,000 hours of work in a year. The mowers will run seven cuttings from April to November. They get allot of use. 3 years worth of work on the tractors and 1.5 years of use on the mowers compared to many other farms. Because there are allot of acres to cover the farm likes to run new machine each year. The local dealers customers like buying 1 year old machines to keep their farms modern. It works out well for everyone as long as the equipment keeps moving through. As for as the labor factor the operators are employed year round so they would be doing something on the farm if they were not mowing.
I got a bit confused at the end of the video! are the cutters on the moco movers PTO ore hydraulic driven?
i saw a lot of hydraulic hoses but also somting turning behind the pto. hehe
but all those angles on the drawbar make some serious challenges if the cutters are pto driven.
but after watching the video again more closely it looks like they use a combination of CHAINS and AXLES to transfer the PTO to the knifes.
Good vídeo 👍🚜btp!!!
Thank you for watching.
Very cool!
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Outstanding video! I love the background information and learning how people do things elsewhere. A question: Somewhere in the middle you said the farm likes to stay up to date on the mowers. What are typical changes and improvements between mower model years?
I don’t think the 946 moco has changed much in a decade or more. Around 2012 the drives around the center pivot went from green metal shields to black plastic shields. What they like do is stay up to date with new machines. These mowers will cut 1.5 years worth of work on seven cuttings. Many dairy’s only see 3 cuttings some will get 4 to 5. The tractors will see 1,000 hours of operating time which is about 3 years worth of work on other farms. In order to stay up and running and not dealing with repaired the farm likes to update their machines each year.
@@bigtractorpower I see, thank you and have a lovely Sunday! :)
Love the video and that u tell us price on stuff
Thank you for watching.
Where I live, (Central Wash) we put up lots of alfalfa and timothy hay, in 4 county's, and never you seen a pull type swather, every farmer has one or two self propelled swathers' my question, why not just have one rotary head swather instead of 3 or 4 pull type swather's ?
I was just asking that question!! In a high acre operation (3000 acres) a multi mower setup on a tractor that can be flexible.
In big dairy areas triple mowers are the way to go. Here in Kentucky dairy is small and there is not an outlet for triple mowers.
should be out there with a john deere 4020 and new Holland 1456 like I did growing up!
Nice mowing set up. I grew up watching an IH 686 on an NH 489 and a 1066 on an NH 116.
Lol, Was that a no-rower I seen!
OLF really has an impact on the Speedrower.
Are you you going to film any tabacco farming in Kentucky
Yes. I have some Tobacco
Setting videos on the channel. Stay tuned for more.
LOL you got first cut of hay and so many are just getting out of snow and waiting to be able to do anything in the fields.
I hope warmer weather keeps finding its way north.
Nice
Thank you for watching.
Those side-pull mowers are cutting to the right side of the tractor. But, are there side-pull mowers that can change their cut sides from right to left and back on the fly?
Yes those 946's can go to both sides some people normally stay to the right because it is the side with all the controls
These guys swing right but sometimes some people will swing back and forth from left to right when mowing straight across a field without going across like these guys.
44000x4 is 176000. a set of triples is 100000. ad 1 moco to cover the same acreage each pass thats 144000. thats a 26000 saving on mowers alone. then take away 2 drivers wages of probably 200 dollars a day (estimate)(im irish dont know the pay scale). add a 30 day hay season thats a 12000 dollar saving on labour. add that to the initial saving thats a 36000 dollar saving which would pay for the front link for one of those john deeres. i get if the area in america has a good trade in but here in ireland youd want to be nuts to have 4 moco mowers and no set of triples
I think allot of the decision is what the John Deere dealer wants to carry. These tractors will rack up 1,000 hours or more in a year. They do three years worth of work in one year. The mowers will do one and a half years of cutting in a year compared to many other locations in the United States. Because of all the hours put on larger farms like this one and others in the area replace their machines every year. The dealer wants tractors and mowers that are easy to move onto the next customer. Other than this farm there is no market for triple mowers in a vast area.
@@bigtractorpower in ireland a set of mowers is put on the tractor in spring and is taken off in october. but i get that in america things are different. some contractors over here could be mowing for 30 hours straight, just the way it is. i understand that the trade in value would be high on the trailed but a set of triples will do 10 years work and still be work 30k.
The only smell better than freshly cut hay, is freshly used hay.
Hard to find a better cutter than the 946 Moco.
How are they getting the hay put up dry if they got it cut yesterday it's raining there today
Last three years we've only had maybe Sunshine for no more than a day or two. Go back and film how they put it up thank you looks great.
They can pretty much chop hay in a day here. Mow in the morning, rake at noon and chop in the afternoon. The temp is good here and allows for fast chopping. Watch for a new 2019 9600i Forage Harvester in a future video chopping this alfalfa.
@@bigtractorpower thank you for the return on the reply I thought that's what they would probably do damn good-looking hay.
With somebody with that mini tractors and all that hate to cut it would seem to me that it would be feasible to buy a tractor with a PTO unit unit on the front of it and run the three mowers one on the front and one on each side do save on using all them tractor and we'll do a faster job it's just my opinion I like those I can't think of the name of them their Classics or whatever from Germany where they got the 3 mowers on the tractor at one time and they do an excellent job I really like those it's just my opinion
I believe you are right regardless of trade in value you are using 4 tractors 4 mowers and paying 4 operators I think you would be ahead to have 1 mower conditioner and 1 triple mower even if you took a little loss trading in it wouldn't compare to 4 my opinion I run 2 tractors and 2 mowers so I can see cost but anytime you can save a ton of money and cut the same amount I think that would be worth it but I don't trade in for paint I run it till it starts giving trouble
Ricky Murphy ha if triple mower stops with break down she's stopped nothing being cut but at least there's other mowers still cutting mad 👍👍👍
@@johnmera531 these triple mowers are the best I was trying to think of the name of them everybody is going to him the cuts a lot of hay and also their hay balers they're easy to fix the blades just take a a wedge you raise it up and put another blade on and you take back out whole lot simpler then the other machines used and cutting hay outstanding piece of equipment I'm just saying and that's my opinion they already ever ever break down
@@johnmera531 if you've ever run machinery you'd know that if you've 4 machines it 4 times harder to get them all to run than 1 machine.
It sounds wrong but that's the reality.
One tractor stops. You have 3 more still mowing. Bigger is not always better. Time and money syndrome. Credit and loan from agency Rent to own. Is a lot of practice. Get your hay in. Turn equipment back in. Later.
7 cuts a year...wow. We struggle with getting 3 up here in WI.
Warmer weather here allows first cut in April and last cut in November. They aim to cut every 22 days.
What city in western ky are you located in
Hopkinsville.
Dr. Phil?
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America needs front PTO you could run this job with 2 tractors
Front pto is available here and many farms utilize it. For this operation this type of mower works best because it is an area with few dairy farms so there is no aftermarket for front pto mowers.
Wow never thought about that but makes so much sense.
Hey bigtractorpower fans. Here are some fun facts. In order to have alfalfa seed, you must incorporate what are known as "cutter bees". Place them at the field, they break the "curl" of the husk containing the seed. You can't simply harvest alfalfa for seed without the use of Cutter Bees. Class dismissed.
Interesting info.
Great explanation on why not the triple version Mo-Co's, did you say 7-cuttings per year ??
Yes 7 cuttings from
April to November. Thank you for watching.
I get that the tractors are used for other things and the trailing mowers have good resale but that is still over 1mil for that set up for all four of them from new. A set of triples would still make more sense even for a small amount of land to me but I guess not.
Those mowers are 15 20 thousand used times 4 still cheaper than 1 triple set up
But in this case he said about the new cost and that they would be traded in often to keep up with changes. So I would guess that they buy brand new ones each time at over 40k a pop
Are these tractors and hay implements owned by that farm, or are these owned by a subcontractor that makes his rounds to different farms? When you start adding up the costs to all that, it surely is quite an investment.
The farm owns and operates all the machines.
Paid 64k for a complete Poettinger triple combination and run it wit a 6215R.
So there IS potential to make it more economic and efficient at the same time.
Ya till those junks explode then get your wallet out or call the bank for another loan
@@rickcoats4015 over 10 years positive experience with triples. Never will go back to anything else.
Nice video, but basically these boys like lot of iron in the field. 3 moco's pays for 1 triple mower saving time, fuel, and manpower. The tractors they would have either way but could be doing other work while 1 or 2 tractors tackle this work.
MrSnyper360 yes and when that one sole tractor breaks down everything grinds to a halt.
@@MrT79shakeshake get something else than a JD :p
Get your point, im running 4 tractors during our silage and haybaling season. Only 2-3cuts here in north scandinavia. We been running a single 3m pottinger mower for a 9m wide rake and 2 baler wrappers. Very rarely we have had a breakdown so major it halts the rest of the driving. Dealer have been fast to help. But i dont get the point where these are all high 200 and 300+hp tractors for a single mower each
I've never seen a 946 on the drawbar. Only seen the two point style like our 946
Most of the 946s here are drawn. The lift are mount i would think would make hook up easy.
the ground looks quite wet could take a while to dry it
It was wet. Few sunny days between rains the chop.
While it may be cheaper to buy and trade in, how can paying 4 people to cut hay compare to paying 2 people with triple mowers who can get just as much work done
Well the people running the equipment are employed year round. If they were not mowing they would still be on the farm working.
@@bigtractorpower ik that's fair and while I was thinking about this some more what about fuel use, parts, and general maintenance,wouldnt that be more because you have more machines?
Are they list prices or actual selling prices? The mower prices are about double what we would be expecting to pay in ireland. Thanks for your time making this videos. It's appreciated.
These are list prices from Deere.com There are several posts from Europe on the video indicating the triple mowers are much less across the ocean. All the triple mowers are built innEurope and imported to the U.S. maybe that adds to the price.
@@bigtractorpower we find here that purchase price will be about 30% less than list. As far as I know it's alot got to do with finance, I think most finance companies will only give a loan on 50-60% of list.
There are of course discounts. John Deere especially has multi unit discounts here in WKY. I can only use what the website list to give the viewers an idea of cost because it’s a written fact and viewable.
I'm surprised why they haven't invested in front linkage and PTO on 2 tractors and got front mowers so they could still run 4 mowers just on 2 tractors
I think every extra option, increase price of machine. The same, why US tractors don't have front axle suspension in smaller series (I mean TLS in 6R or 6M for example) or better- they buy 150 HP or bigger tractor with only 2WD, narrow or not rear mudguards or full load of weight on front and rear and extra wide tires. In Europe for example, front linkage for 8R series is around 5300 euro or 4300 GBP.