Tug of war over Alaska's Tongass National Forest, called the 'lungs of America'
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- ABC News' Linsey Davis travels to Tongass National Forest, where conservation advocates and loggers are divided over protecting against climate change and boosting the economy.
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#ABCNL #TONGASSNATIONALFOREST #CLIMATECHANGE
SAVE THE TONGASS. STOP USING NATURAL RESOURCES AS A BUSINESS. CLIMATE CHANGE HAS BEEN HERE FOR DECADES. PRESERVE THE TONGASS. THE NEW GENERATION NEEDS A CLEAN AIR.
Agreed! This is our home we are destroying
Well the assumption there will be new generations is increasingly optimistic
This intact forest is worth far more left alone than logged. Permanent protection is the wisest course of action.
THIS CANNOT BE DONE THIS HAS TO STOP NOW THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE USA WE MUST STOP NOW AND PRESERVE WE ARE FORGETTING THE ECOYSYSTEM THE BIRDS THE WILDLIFE THIS IS THEIR HOMES HOW CAN WE TAKE FROM THEM IT IS EVIL AND NOT FAIR
Yes, we have plenty of wood and other materials to build with, stop destroying these old growth forest that will take hundreds of years to replace.
@@CommanderRick how do you expect us to survive? You want us to fish and live off the random tourist visitations for 5 months out of the year? None of you people get it! We are suffering up here in Alaska! Maybe if the government would help us out we wouldn't be fighting to survive everyday! Only the indigenous Natives get financial support here in Alaska. I'm not a hero, I just want be paid fairly instead of living like a wild animal...the people from the lower 48 come up here and take our jobs. They laugh in our faces because they are rich. I can tell you this the Aluet, Tlingit, Athabaskans, Haida, Eskimo,Tsimshian (Tsimshian is mostly Canadian but we have one village), Eyak, Iñupiat, Yupik, and Alutiiq tribes don't support Obama or his agenda!!
@@samjohnson3540 you'd be surprised the amount of people in the lower 48 trying to survive as well. Why do you think there's so many homeless people and poverty. Maybe you guys should move to where the jobs are, or work seasonal jobs. Plenty of work to go around nowadays if you're willing to be mobile.
@@CommanderRick being homeless in Alaska is vastly different then being homeless in the lower 48. And what job do you expect us Alaskans to find when you have such homelessness? It's clear you have so many homeless because you aren't hiring people!
It's called Old growth for a reason. You can't say it's a renewable resource if the timeline of growth does not match the timeline we have to try and repair the damage we've done.
"We don't believe that"
The redwood forests of America were once vast. There were redwoods forests that had existed for millennia's. The lumber from such forests were resistant to moisture. They were resistant to fire. Termites wouldn't eat it. Lumber harvested from a redwood could last for hundreds of years. Most of these old growth forests are now long gone, but what of the lumber? There is no profit to be made from a house that lasts hundreds of years. The wood that once held up entire ecosystems held up our walls and our roofs. The wood that once breathed life into the world sat lifeless inside houses, and were we grateful? NO. We discarded our houses and built new ones. We can not let the Tongass suffer the same fate. It needs to be protected!
@@largesizejellyfish3014 i wish i could see the american forests before the eurpoeans got here. I bet all the tress were hugggggge
@@BushidoBrownSama laziest answer to anything that opposes their agenda
If you don't replant the trees you've harvested, then it's not really a renewable resource
And even if you do it takes several hundred years for the forest to mature.
Replanting those trees means nothing. It takes many years to regrow them and the ecosystem under them is forever changed. Why does GREED always seem to win!?
The fallacy is that a forest is just a bunch of trees. Thats wrong, tgeres a complex n rich understructure where many old trees are grafted directly to each other or thru saprophytes and they communicate information and nutrients across entire forest. Try replanting that.
Cut them down or they will be burned down
Trump2024 👍
there is no economy if we all die from lack of clean air
But muh money toilet paper and buggatti.
Yeah but…for a couple of years we did create great returns for investors.
Facts tho
Oop
"We don't believe that"
I love how they are saying, "don't u love these products made from wood pulp and wouldn't your life suck without them" and they totally glaze over how all products they listed can be made from recycled materials and alternative materials such as hemp.
how are the lungs of america even in a tug of war? you’d think people would be smart enough to understand that we need air to live
Most of the worlds air doesn’t come from trees especially Alaska’s trees.
Why? Isnt keeping this forest intact important to mitigating the effects of Climate Change.
Because there are assholes like the first guy, who cares only about money.
You would think people would be smart enough to stop REPOPULATING, guess what no and until then new families will continue needing more and more resources including lumber
@@braxtonjones6163 they remove pollutants from the air and keep our planet cooler
I live in and love the Tongass, we need to steward this temperate rain forest. We can make products out of industrial hemp, and it's a much better return. Old growth trees were never meant to be paper and boxes i.e. 'one use items.' That is such a short sighted view.
Sadly most humans are very short sighted
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Yessss, we should be growing hemp everywhere. Disgusting what humans will justify for profits.
Hemp can deplete the soil. It is possible to make building products out of corn stover - stalks and husks (cornboard), wheat straw (Durra panel - Australia, no chemical additives are required, just heat and pressure), rice straw etc. Studies have shown the following corn crops can yield higher with residue reduction. The end-of-season reports from Hot Shot crew leaders make it clear about the present situation with the West Coast Forests and what might be done there before changes to the management of forest elsewhere are considered. The present Governor should be shown photos of the abandoned logging equipment that is still in the Alaskan forests and reminded of how loggers dumped equipment into the sea (in the 1990s) because the transport cost of surplus logging equipment back to the lower 48 exceeded the scrap value they would have received.
@@alanb9337 To be fair, any crop will deplete the soil of the seasonal cross planting is not done properly. A local farm I love does workshops about this and explains how to do it quite well. Can’t just plant the same thing over and over again for any crop.
God those corporate business people in their suits just look evil.
they're greedy they don't care about this planet
Have you noticed that most of those evil suits are on old white guys....
@@Hummmminify Why did you have to bring race into it ?
@@dlazo32696 Because the people that I see saying and doing these things are overwhelmingly old, white guys. Once in awhile these people ( and these people always seem to be guys) are Asian or black but mostly they are old, white guys.
@@Hummmminify And so when it is an old black guy do you make it as big of a deal? I doubt it. You sound like you don’t really like white people..
I see it this way
Alaska is the Amazon of America.
Thats why I love animals more than humans
Love your America don't kill it
Hopefully animals will survive what humans have done to this planet. If there is a God, then the animals will survive and flourish without humans. I would only wish to come back for a day to see how amazing it is without us without leaving so much as a footprint.
Literally the most beautiful place in America.
Agreed! It was our home for 7 years.
Only IF we protect it. Write a snailmail to the Congress demanding protection for our national heritage.
Hands off OUR trees. NO LOGGING!
The streets of Detroit is
New York City is the cleanest
To me, the world.
i live here in the Alaskan Tongas. i would love to see it INTACT!!!!!
I am coming to see it in late April. Floating a well known river. Not only does she hold all 5 species of Salmon but she holds Oncorhynchus Mykiss as well. Keep it INTACT!!!!!!
@@boblove6865 hi Bob, I live in Washington on the Skagit River. It has 4 of 5 species. No Kings. It's also threatened due to damns. Whatever support you give for the Tongas, please give to the Skagit also. I have family in Haines so I see the harm twofold. It's not good.
@@Abby-yc7tt it is a shame what is happening to the rivers out west. Science vs money.
I was born in Alaska. How do you expect us to survive? You want us to fish and live off the random tourist visitations for 5 months out of the year? None of you people get it! We are suffering up here in Alaska! Maybe if the government would help us out we wouldn't be fighting to survive everyday! Only the indigenous Natives get financial support here in Alaska. I'm not a hero, I just want be paid fairly instead of living like a wild animal...the people from the lower 48 come up here and take our jobs. They laugh in our faces because they are rich. I can tell you this the Aluet, Tlingit, Athabaskans, Haida, Eskimo,Tsimshian (Tsimshian is mostly Canadian but we have one village), Eyak, Iñupiat, Yupik, and Alutiiq tribes don't support Obama or his agenda!!
@@samjohnson3540 you people keep voting Republican and wonder why you resident dividend keeps shrinking. 2 things stand out about your comment. 1. Obama ain't president and has not been for over 4 years. In fact we are on our second president since Obama. 2. You could always leave Alaska.
i love how everyone wanting to destroy this forest are clear cut lumber “farmers” how dare u call ur selfs farmers
Sickening!
Lex Films ... Exactly how is going in to a Forest and Clear Cutting a Trees 'Farming'. Did these "FARMERS" Plant the Trees? Just Mindless Economic Cannabalism and Greedy Ghouls.
You can't "harvest" what you didn't plant...
That guy in the interview pretty much just said... If a tree grows I have to cut it down. That's why we grow corn we grow it and cut it down. Bro. We didn't grow those forest in Alaska geeezzzz.
That's just a dumb argument point anyways
We have been logging in Alaska for almost 100 years.
The earth 🌎 doesn't like the mindset of a certain type of people..
Greedy people.
Earth doesn't need anybody, and doesn't have eyes to observe itself. Because the earth isn't a vain liberal. The earth doesn't have thoughts.
Screw u Its 🌏. The west destroyed the world.
"It's a crop. It grows back." So stupid. Old forest does not just grow back.
Just like the coal industry, the forest industry has to realize that the health of the earth is more important than the health of the logging industry. If we just left it up to them, they would cut down every tree in sight and burn every once of coal. Regarding deforestation, If you doubt this, take a plane ride over the Snowqualmie Pass in Washington state. All you will see is miles of deforested land and logging roads. If the area was replanted, you can't tell byaerial observation. The health of the planet must not be up to the political party in charge at the time. We do not need to mine and burn coal, but we do need every tree.
You got that right.
Just the fact that we are even entertaining destroying this pristine area is why we as humans cannot have and do not deserve nice things. Don’t give me Thanos’ glove! Good grief.
The hardest decisions require the strongest will
Most of those guys had no open mind whatsoever but the woman at the end really connected with me
Doesn’t corn take only weeks to grow unlike trees
The Farmer Plants and Nurtures the Corn. If these People want to GROW the Trees on Private Land, that they 'Clear Cut'; Let Them! But the ones that Nature Grew in a National Forest: HANDS OFF!
If he cant make a living there, then maybe he should move.
Li Raven ... or change careers.
Exactly
They need to leave it alone. We have cut down enough trees. Leave some for the future's children.
trees do grow back
Yes, yes ,yes, it is time to leave nature as it is. Give back the land to it’s true owners, the indigenous peoples than we all will have clean air for the future generations of all living beings…
Quinn Chapman...in a thousand years!
@@W1LdnKai not overnight. Can be up to 50 years
Such a beautiful place but so sad that 1 person can have the power to do stuff like this and destroy this beautiful land when millions and millions depend on it. SAVE IT AND ALL OF OUR RAIN FOREST!! There is other ways to build homes and buildings.
Ah yes let’s destroy our world further for some damn Amazon boxes.
I love how she straight asked if he cared about the planet and he just says no with a straight face. Dude is a damn demon.
Can we please stop destroying our forests
Absolutely people saying look at all this money are so evil. Absolutely they dont care about people in general. They care about their bottom line. Absolutely disgusting . Capitalism at it's best.
When I was a kid in the 50s and 60s I was assured that the Tongas Forest would never be cut down. So don’t!
I think we should be able to leave some stuff alone for the animals. I’m sorry for his company but animals do deserve to have a few safe spaces. Everyone may not have the opportunity but sometimes we have to move for better jobs when our area doesn’t have any instead of making excuses.
Gorgeous. It is essential to save this fabulous forest.
Great job for this reporting! I love it. I didn’t know anything about this forest in Alaska. Thank you for this beautiful place tonight! From southern Colorado! ⭐️☀️🛶🍁
I completely agree. Southern NM here. I also had no idea about this place. 💛❤️
Also agreed, also from CO.
Protect the Roadless Rule. Make it permanent. Please!
If you love the environment don’t vote Republican
Oh boy here comes all the conspiracy theorist, middle aged, white Americans. Just don't get them started on the 2nd amendment or how the vaxx is actually the big evil government trying to destroy us with their magic. Once they get started they'll go full "patriot" mode.
Quite the opposite.
If you love this country and our democracy, don't vote Republican.
If you love America and want freedom don’t vote communist Democratic they are evil bastards who hate America and are against we the people vote republican to save America
@@nickkorzeniewski230 you must hate Trump then
No way. 2% is more than enough.
THE GREED WILL PRE-VAIL..MY 2-CENTS!!!
I'd love to see Tongass permanently protected!! And, for anyone who hasn't watched the documentary "Kiss the Land," you should check it out. Very interesting part about halfway in. Shows farmers becoming more profitable when they change to more environmentally friendly methods.
Trump 2024 he will open the lead for logger 🎉🎉🎉
Let them keep their 2% and prove that these trees are really a renewable resource. I assume that if 2% really “isn’t enough” then it isn’t as renewable as they claim it to be. Old growths are sacred
I like the way you think. So does God.
"It diminishes the number of salmon"
"We don't believe that"
Stay ignorant, my friend
Why haven’t they replanted trees where they cut down huge areas because in 30yrs those trees would be bigger than the damage land and be helping???
It would take hundreds of years for these trees to reach present size. Once they start cutting they will never reach anywhere near this size again. These need to be treasured.
It was all about making money then moving on to the next money maker....We see this all the time in the Yukon Territory. The mines come take the ore then leave a mess behind for the tax payer to clean up.
After what's happening in the Amazon are you really going do the same.
No world no wealth. Money isn't life 😭
The American Corporate way. The USA wants deforestation to stop as long as it stops in other countries.
Pay Alaska another royalty to not chop it down.
Seems like it would be much easier to harvest timber from new growth tree farms than clear-cutting an ancient forest. If they're going to insist that it's a "crop" like corn, why don't they try a harvest model closer to that of corn?
It's Native American Indian land...!!
Those trees should be left alone and preserved.
PRESERVE THE TREES URGENT SAVE THE WOLVES END THE MEAT INDUSTRY SAVE THE TREES THE BIRDS THE WILDLIFE URGENT SAVE THE HOMES OF THE BIRDS THEY LIVE IN THE FORESTS
this belongs to everyone and every yet to be born
largest temperate rain forest in the world
See when I was a kid, i was never taught that those were rainforests. you only hear of the amazon or Congo
All I hear was cha Ching $$$ into the deep greedy pockets of those corporates! SAVE THE TREES!!!!
The guy said it himself
“Are you concerned about climate change, global warming?”
“No”
Beautiful presentation tonight. Stunning and informative. My parents were into forest 🌳 health ...due to my ranching heritage and running cows on their IS Forest Service grazing permits and our stands of Aspen groves. Finally ...they were sad over how the Forest Service failed to clean up their cutting mess. My mom was a reporter and wrote just one book on Saving Forests. Beautifully done! Thank you!!
1:47 !? Wow, is this guy shady or what? Is he actually implying he wants to cut an ancient forest to make cardboard boxes? Good Gawd!! Every word that comes out of his mouth is false.
I think the US should start normalizing construction of houses with bricks, stones and other non-timber products. For packaging, we can focus on recycling the already used materials and alternatives.
Save the world so we can save humanity
WE WILL ALL GO EXTINCT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LETTING WOLVES OR ANYTHING ELSE LIVE
Switch to hemp!! No more logging is needed
Can't build structures with hemp.
@@echofoxtrot2.051 yes you can
@@herbalvisionz6091 Good luck wasting all that water. Also, you can't grow hemp within forests soooo you still have to clear land. Didn't consider that, eh?
@@echofoxtrot2.051 lol ok ?
Tongass National Forest should be designated a National Park with wilderness designations and left alone.
It should be cut down
Where can we sign up to support to save the Tongass?
I live in Washington state and I want to be able to see this forest one day I wish to hike and camp and fish in it stop logging in this forest
Let’s seee…… jobs or life for future generations…. Hmmmm
A forest is NOT just trees. Money is a powerful aphrodisiac.
It's SAD THAT ALL THEY THINK ABOUT IS MONEY USE THE TRASH YOU THROW AWAY THEY WILL NEVER BE GOD JOBS IS WHAT THEY SAY
GUESS WHAT JOBS ARE NOT THEY ANSWER LEARNING TO LIVE WITH WHAT YOU GOT GREEDY PEOPLE
SHALOM
EVIL ONES😭😬
Save the Tongass and all the other forests in the world.....there are other means to create jobs and other resources to use for products we use. Grow up and start thinking of the future.
SAVE an PERMANENTLY PROTECT the TONGASS the last really gorgeous wild place in America the old growth is not meant to be paper products use hemp and other resources for paper products
They need to leave the forest alone ...!
No one will be left to look back if we don't get right
I really hope they don’t cut them down
I hate how that one guy said it’s like a farmers corn. It’s not your forest. You can’t just grow back old growth like a crop. As a person from Minnesota our old growth has be pushed to our most northern and remote regions. Sure you might find specs of the old forest but it’s like looking at the bone of a animal. You can tell something used to live there but isn’t around anymore.
Although this is a bit politcal I must thank ABC for not always simply broadcasting the drama between the left and right
The guy literally comparing it to corn apparently doesn't know how these majestic trees grow. Corn can grow with in a season, it takes thousands of years for trees like these to grow to maturity. You can harvest both so easily, but you can grow back these kind of trees in the same way you can grow corn in a field
As someone who lives right next to a lumber mill on the Tongass, the lumber don’t go to Americans, it goes straight to Japan… so no, it’s not about helping Americans, and 90% of the loggers aren’t even from Alaska
if you are gonna cut down trees you should plant every tree you cut down. im sure there would be a lot of jobs for replanting the thousands of trees that have been cut down
I wish they didn't release this in youtube so late at night. This video will never go viral
Mining is the other reason, Corporations don't want good paying jobs. Child labor laws are changing because worker's areRevolting
The politics run deep... If you want to know more, look into where Goldbelt & sea Alaska got their money in the past. & look into coastal development requirements. The end result would be very different than groups against it would have you believe. I'm very against just chopping everything, but I'm not against responsibly doing it. This has been a battle for 30 years & there's so much more to it than can be covered in 10 mins. Tourism has already perm damaged fisheries. To have a person who has been receiving dividends bc of logging lobby against it.... Part of the problem. A huge group allowed their land to be logged, they don't want it done if they don't get the money. It's really about money...think about how much growth would be new if logging happened 30 years ago?
If anyone has any question about what clear clutting does to salmon runs, look at Washington, Oregon and California's salmon runs of today after clear cluttering of forests were allowed.
Any company that is even considering touching this place is EXTREMELY OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY AND WHATS AT STAKE FOR TOUCHING THIS PLACE AND WILL SHARE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR DEMISE!!!
RECYCLE RECYCLE RECYCLE
How much is export and how big are the demands for preservation elsewhere?
*You can’t breathe money*
There is also a demand for cocaine
I'm so glad that logging suit doesn't believe in climate change. It must help him sleep at night.
When they cut the trees it harms everything and enriches a few.
We’ve got a lifetime of wood that can be reclaimed.
And No, we don’t need paper towels. That’s like an easy thing to give up!
Greed!
Where does the Tongass's harvest fit in next to Oregon's, Washington's, Idaho's, California's, and British Columbia's, a total of 20 billion board feet?
Loggers want more access to the Tongass but they don’t even take pride in their work as explained by Wanda Culp when comparing their logging method with the clearcut one.
Everything centers around greed.
He not concerned about climate change all he's concerned about is making money.
On the nose!
I've worked with wood for 60 years. Forests can be managed, similar to how indigenous tribes are allowed to harvest a few whales. With permits, foresters can 'cherry pick' a few particular large trees per year, and take them out by helicopter.
We are wondering what, if any, sustainable logging practices are currently in use by those wanting to increase the land usage for harvesting trees in the Tongass National Forest
I wonder if people realize that trees take forever to grow back (generally speaking obviously) even if you plant a bunch to replace a bunch that you took.
As children, we were taught to respect our elders! The old-growth trees are key. This makes those trees our elders. We need to respect and protect them! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🌳🌳🌳🌳🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️💚💚💚💚💜💜💜💜
They need to implement sustainable logging, that way the areas they cut can regrow, then once its regrown it can be cut again.
Loggers can go log elsewhere for trees... save the big trees they need to be saved. "Greed"
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LOGGING IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE IF LOGGING IS DONE RESPONSIBLY. FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS LANDS HAVE BEEN STRIPPED OF ALL TREES AND ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS AS LONG AS POCKETS WERE FILLED. NOW AT LEAST PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING TO CHANGE THIS AND RIGHTLY SO!!
Just used bamboo instead of trees bamboo grows faster than trees and provides the same paper material as trees do.
It is absorb the water. It is also create shade. And it also remove the heat in the atmosphere. And the moisture excessive in the area at well. It is also hold back land slide
Good for her!!
When these logging CEO speak, all you hear is the language of greed that has no end. It's a renewable resource yet you can't find any renewable trees to cut.
The Tongass isn't "intact"....Louisiana Pacific got a 50 year sweetheart deal with the Forest Service in the early 50s and logged HEAVILY until the deal was ended in the late 90s.
The forest should be preserved 🙎🌲⛰️🍀
Many cry fouls when the Amazon, the tropical forests of South East Asia, & that of Western Africa being chopped down...then now here in Alaska, we all should block it frm being logged - remember, trees are vital in keeping down the carbon emissions
Alaskans should hire underground security units to patrol Tongass National Forest.
If any Tongass security person catches a logger on site, they should tell that person to leave, or else face being arrested and possibly even shot.
No one ever mentions the food. Meat and fish consumption do more damage than any of this, the Amazon, plastic straws etc. The damage that hugely expanding fish consumption is not well known. But 2 mile long fishing nets scraping off old coral and creating other collateral damage is a far larger problem. Driving a Tesla and eating sushi 3xs a week for example, are not congruent. Eat more plant based or don’t lecture on the environment. Strangely when I ask people to give up fish or meat, I get tons of excuses and justifications from all sides. It’s easy to tell someone else not to use a straw, but hard to change one’s own eating habits.
How can you look at all those bald spots and not realize your killing the forest?
It's as simple as having a heart in the midst that bleeds.. versus one there mucking it up, that doesn't.