It's not so happy actually, the simulated protagonists were just put through dozens of wrong partners 1000 times to finally run together and then get erased immediately. They weren't tortured for billions of years, though.
So thousands of digital clones get psychologically manipulated for years and then killed off when their usefulness has come to an end. Even happy endings in black mirror are grim if you really think about them.
Seemed pretty real to them. and to them it was well over a year, who knows how long for the other times. I guess it all depends what you consider to be sentient life. Do you feel what was happening to the prisoner in black museum was at worst bad taste rather than someone being tortured repeatedly?
Actually Ill give you that one Dave, lol. personally I felt that in USS Callister they were just making the best out of a bad situation, what with having been imprisoned in a virtual world for the rest of their existence. but I can see an argument for there probably being an escape for them eventually. canonically we already have synthetic bodies they can be downloaded into. honestly I was thinking more of San Junipero when I made the post. I mean its nice and all that their digital clones get to drive off into the sunset, but they both still died.
Mark, White Christmas is the episode that made me twig on to the possibility that all the people in 15 million merits are digital clones. Seeing the 15 m m talent show on the billboard at the end of Waldo convinced me further.
Short and sweet one, I like that the series while having a lot of darker episodes and undertones, still manages to have some lighthearted and happy episodes as well.
It was not a happy ending if you count those simulations as clones like in many of the other Black Mirror episodes. White Christmas for example. San Junipero as another. We weren't told what happened with the "dating app". How did they get the info? Cloning their minds perhaps and then deleting them? Only Charlie Brooker could answer that but he likes to leave people guessing and to draw their own conclusions. Even San Junipero or USS Callister is not a happy ending... more like a bitter sweet one. The first Stargate series had an episode were the main guys were physically cloned. The clones were them and had their memories up to that moment. Eventually the originals came home but the clones had to forsake everything and stay behind. Not a happy ending really. Maybe those people using the app and scanning their minds weren't really thinking what they are doing like the woman in White Christmas that cloned herself as a "cookie" to control her house etc..
Dumpster Fire wrong about San junipero. Agree about this and white Christmas. The idea of San junipero was that their actual conciousnes entered the digital universe and not clones. That wasn't open to interpretation and was in fact them at the end.
I agree and disagree. It was fairly happy but I have always thought that their original "minds" died and were copied with the same knowledge etc.. and then transferred to a mainframe. Each to their own I guess. :D
Wait hold up. These aren't clones, just programs. Also San Junipero, they're not clones, that's their actual consciousness uploaded to the program. Both episodes have happy endings.
your face when they made it up to the room full of themselves! lol so it was kinda cookie technology in a dating app... loved this one so much, and the actors’ chemistry was amazing - I had to look up if they were dating in rl!
Hi , this episode was my favorite alongside San Junipero and Nosedive . Great chemistry between the two leads! . The ending song is "Panic" by The Smiths, song ends with the hang the dj, hang the dj verse. Black Museum the last episode is also very good too! :)
Interesting episode. Each of the episodes that deal with VR or computer-generated simulations, I keep expecting to see the creatures from the end of Men in Black playing marbles. Great reaction, Jess!
Hi Sesska :) I loved your reactions during this episode. "Whyyyyy?" when the girl was telling the guy about her past sexual encounter. You know I think it is true that if your meant to click with someone you can f*** it up as many times as you like with little things and the love and passion will still be there. Just got to find that right person to be your whole self around.
Ok, I personally find this episode dark as hell, and i will explain why. Remember other episodes of black mirror where they make clones of people consciousness? While they aren't the real thing, they think and feel just like real people. To them, they aren't the clone, they are the real thing. There are even episodes where they mention how that technology has become illegal because of how messed up it is or can be. You can even be tried for murder if you kill or destroy a mind clone (or whatever you want to call them). Ok, now follow me here. This is just a theory, but let's say this dating app links up with your mind to "help you find your soulmate". After all, these were really realistic copies of the original. How is this app on their phones able to do that? Unknowingly to the customer, their rights are being violated by actually cloning their consciousness 1000 times over in order to run a simulation to find out their compatibility. These poor clones are being forced to go through these scenarios just to be deleted/destroyed once they succeed in escaping with their love. 1000 tortured virtual souls all for the sake of the originals to find out if they are compatible. Then you think about the dating apps out there, like tinder. Imagine if every time you you swiped right 1000 virtual souls went through this purgatory just for your benefit. Think about it, they aren't using an algorithm, they are using an illegal cloning technology to have a successful business. By the logic of that law, they are killing 1000 "people" every time someone "swipes right", as it were. Now, like the creators of that app, you may be thinking the same thing "They aren't the real person, it doesn't matter". I guess it just depends on what you consider to be real or not. After all without our consciousness, without mind, without the essence of who we are, we are just watery flesh bags no different than animals, incapable of sentient thought. So what happens if there are minds but no body? What happens if you are forced to be data in simulations? It's the worst type of hell and psychological torment you could imagine. But, that's just how I view it. Still, it's a great episode! Brilliant simulation twist.
My dude tortured the lady in the egg , leaving her to be isolated for 6 months, if they were just "digital copies" with no feelings or thoughts of their own, why do they have to be tortured to be compliant? 🤔
No it's not. Everything that happened in the episode was a SIMULATION. Part of a computer program or dating app (like Tinder or something like that) that was using digital clones of the two of them to simulate them dating in 1000 simulations to see if they were a match. The only real people in the entire episode were the last two people (or versions) of them you saw at the end. There was NOBODY created. There was NOBODY destroyed. It was all part of a virtual simulation that WAS. NOT. REAL. Again, you missed the entire point of the episode. COMPLETELY!
There's nothing in the episode that indicated that either of the (two simulants) were sentient in any way, any form or any capacity - as opposed to just being very sophisticated ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE (AI) algorithms running a very discrete simulation program. Something can have artificial intelligence without actually being sentient. That's where your confusion is coming to play here and it seems you don't even truly understand what sentience really means in the context of life and artificial life (or AI) Sentience implies and denotes Self-awareness and a capacity for metacognition. Were either of the two of them actually self-aware? (I.e. did they actually know that they are programs running in a simulation and incapable of doing anything other than what their programming instructed them to?) If your answer is no, then the same answer applies to whether they were sentient or not. Sentience doesn't just refer to the capacity for "feeling" (stimulii like pain, or even abstract things like love). That capacity can be programmed - along with the appropriate response to said stimuli. What you can't program (and what truly distinguishes us from the most advanced Artificial Intelligence) is Self-Awareness and Metacognition. Stop applying the same rules you saw with other programs and simulations in other episodes to this one. They're not all the same. These simulants were nothing like the 'Cookie' in White Christmas, for example (which, in fact KNEW it was a program - even though it took some convincing), or the digital clones in USS Callister (again, even they knew they were not real human beings and were just digital recreations inside a program - Self-awareness).
Even though I really enjoyed this episode, I don't like the implications that this might be the future of dating. Having a system pick someone for you takes away all the excitement and discovery of finding someone that you connect with. I would get bored quickly and be unappreciative if my "perfect mate" was chosen for me. So this system would not work for me.
Such a big win when you finally get a happy ending in Black Mirror
It's not so happy actually, the simulated protagonists were just put through dozens of wrong partners 1000 times to finally run together and then get erased immediately. They weren't tortured for billions of years, though.
@@kiparis777 but they're not real people tho...
@@kiparis777 they are not real people, they don’t feel they are a programation
By far the most positive episode of the show. Significantly more so than even San Junipero.
Not if you think the simulations are sentient, like in USS Calister.
San junipero's still better
This episode is love thou
Rachel, Jack and Ashley Too
So thousands of digital clones get psychologically manipulated for years and then killed off when their usefulness has come to an end. Even happy endings in black mirror are grim if you really think about them.
So - didn't watch the first episode of this season then?
Or White Christmas
Seemed pretty real to them. and to them it was well over a year, who knows how long for the other times. I guess it all depends what you consider to be sentient life. Do you feel what was happening to the prisoner in black museum was at worst bad taste rather than someone being tortured repeatedly?
Actually Ill give you that one Dave, lol. personally I felt that in USS Callister they were just making the best out of a bad situation, what with having been imprisoned in a virtual world for the rest of their existence. but I can see an argument for there probably being an escape for them eventually. canonically we already have synthetic bodies they can be downloaded into. honestly I was thinking more of San Junipero when I made the post. I mean its nice and all that their digital clones get to drive off into the sunset, but they both still died.
Mark, White Christmas is the episode that made me twig on to the possibility that all the people in 15 million merits are digital clones. Seeing the 15 m m talent show on the billboard at the end of Waldo convinced me further.
My favourite episode of the season, and possibly my favourite Black Mirror episode of all time
Mine too
GREATEST Black Mirror episode hands down. I love it. I watch it all the time. Coolest ending. Bad ass music too!
Short and sweet one, I like that the series while having a lot of darker episodes and undertones, still manages to have some lighthearted and happy episodes as well.
This episode made me cry with happiness the first time on any show. And the second time ever. Thank You Black Mirror for this.
The fact they kept finding each other like a 1000 times in the simulation just shows they’re meant to be
0:34-0:38 JOEY DOESN'T SHARE FOOD! Lool
I don't get it.
Cbricklyne if you watched friends, you would know 😊
Omg i was literally watching exacly that moment and i tought about joey and i saw your comment all at the same time
This episode is truly beautiful, I love it so much
Really loved this episode of Black Mirror ... closest to a happy ending you can get in this show 🙈😂
Great reaction 🙂👍🏻
one of my fave ever episodes of black mirror ❤️
It was not a happy ending if you count those simulations as clones like in many of the other Black Mirror episodes. White Christmas for example. San Junipero as another. We weren't told what happened with the "dating app". How did they get the info? Cloning their minds perhaps and then deleting them? Only Charlie Brooker could answer that but he likes to leave people guessing and to draw their own conclusions.
Even San Junipero or USS Callister is not a happy ending... more like a bitter sweet one.
The first Stargate series had an episode were the main guys were physically cloned. The clones were them and had their memories up to that moment. Eventually the originals came home but the clones had to forsake everything and stay behind. Not a happy ending really.
Maybe those people using the app and scanning their minds weren't really thinking what they are doing like the woman in White Christmas that cloned herself as a "cookie" to control her house etc..
Dumpster Fire wrong about San junipero. Agree about this and white Christmas. The idea of San junipero was that their actual conciousnes entered the digital universe and not clones. That wasn't open to interpretation and was in fact them at the end.
I agree and disagree. It was fairly happy but I have always thought that their original "minds" died and were copied with the same knowledge etc.. and then transferred to a mainframe. Each to their own I guess. :D
They weren't cookies. They were just simulations based on everyones profiles on a simple dating app.
Wait hold up. These aren't clones, just programs. Also San Junipero, they're not clones, that's their actual consciousness uploaded to the program. Both episodes have happy endings.
your face when they made it up to the room full of themselves! lol so it was kinda cookie technology in a dating app... loved this one so much, and the actors’ chemistry was amazing - I had to look up if they were dating in rl!
Oooooo it’s John from Peaky Blinders
Daaaamn girl that hair dyeing, DMAN so beautiful. Love
Hi , this episode was my favorite alongside San Junipero and Nosedive . Great chemistry between the two leads! . The ending song is "Panic" by The Smiths, song ends with the hang the dj, hang the dj verse. Black Museum the last episode is also very good too! :)
This episode sucks
Interesting episode. Each of the episodes that deal with VR or computer-generated simulations, I keep expecting to see the creatures from the end of Men in Black playing marbles. Great reaction, Jess!
Hi Sesska :) I loved your reactions during this episode. "Whyyyyy?" when the girl was telling the guy about her past sexual encounter. You know I think it is true that if your meant to click with someone you can f*** it up as many times as you like with little things and the love and passion will still be there. Just got to find that right person to be your whole self around.
Definitely the best of the season, for me at least.
your reaction at 10:19 is so cute😂❤
Ok, I personally find this episode dark as hell, and i will explain why. Remember other episodes of black mirror where they make clones of people consciousness? While they aren't the real thing, they think and feel just like real people. To them, they aren't the clone, they are the real thing. There are even episodes where they mention how that technology has become illegal because of how messed up it is or can be. You can even be tried for murder if you kill or destroy a mind clone (or whatever you want to call them).
Ok, now follow me here. This is just a theory, but let's say this dating app links up with your mind to "help you find your soulmate". After all, these were really realistic copies of the original. How is this app on their phones able to do that? Unknowingly to the customer, their rights are being violated by actually cloning their consciousness 1000 times over in order to run a simulation to find out their compatibility. These poor clones are being forced to go through these scenarios just to be deleted/destroyed once they succeed in escaping with their love. 1000 tortured virtual souls all for the sake of the originals to find out if they are compatible. Then you think about the dating apps out there, like tinder. Imagine if every time you you swiped right 1000 virtual souls went through this purgatory just for your benefit. Think about it, they aren't using an algorithm, they are using an illegal cloning technology to have a successful business. By the logic of that law, they are killing 1000 "people" every time someone "swipes right", as it were. Now, like the creators of that app, you may be thinking the same thing "They aren't the real person, it doesn't matter". I guess it just depends on what you consider to be real or not. After all without our consciousness, without mind, without the essence of who we are, we are just watery flesh bags no different than animals, incapable of sentient thought. So what happens if there are minds but no body? What happens if you are forced to be data in simulations? It's the worst type of hell and psychological torment you could imagine. But, that's just how I view it. Still, it's a great episode! Brilliant simulation twist.
How have I only just found out you do Black Mirror reactions
most positive episodes are hang the dj, nosedive, and san junipero
you have the best reactions lol
This and USS Callister was 10/10's for me.
My dude tortured the lady in the egg , leaving her to be isolated for 6 months, if they were just "digital copies" with no feelings or thoughts of their own, why do they have to be tortured to be compliant? 🤔
People always fail to see this is not a happy ending... every time it matches people it creates 1000 copies of each of them and then kills all 2000
If that's the interpretation you took from the episode, then you kinda missed the point.
By a mile.
Cbricklyne That’s literally what happened in the episode
No it's not.
Everything that happened in the episode was a SIMULATION.
Part of a computer program or dating app (like Tinder or something like that) that was using digital clones of the two of them to simulate them dating in 1000 simulations to see if they were a match.
The only real people in the entire episode were the last two people (or versions) of them you saw at the end.
There was NOBODY created.
There was NOBODY destroyed.
It was all part of a virtual simulation that WAS. NOT. REAL.
Again, you missed the entire point of the episode.
COMPLETELY!
Cbricklyne Uh, yeah I know, but if you’ve seen any other episode of the show you know how simulations work there; they’re sentient.
There's nothing in the episode that indicated that either of the (two simulants) were sentient in any way, any form or any capacity - as opposed to just being very sophisticated ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE (AI) algorithms running a very discrete simulation program.
Something can have artificial intelligence without actually being sentient. That's where your confusion is coming to play here and it seems you don't even truly understand what sentience really means in the context of life and artificial life (or AI)
Sentience implies and denotes Self-awareness and a capacity for metacognition.
Were either of the two of them actually self-aware? (I.e. did they actually know that they are programs running in a simulation and incapable of doing anything other than what their programming instructed them to?)
If your answer is no, then the same answer applies to whether they were sentient or not.
Sentience doesn't just refer to the capacity for "feeling" (stimulii like pain, or even abstract things like love).
That capacity can be programmed - along with the appropriate response to said stimuli.
What you can't program (and what truly distinguishes us from the most advanced Artificial Intelligence) is Self-Awareness and Metacognition.
Stop applying the same rules you saw with other programs and simulations in other episodes to this one.
They're not all the same.
These simulants were nothing like the 'Cookie' in White Christmas, for example (which, in fact KNEW it was a program - even though it took some convincing), or the digital clones in USS Callister (again, even they knew they were not real human beings and were just digital recreations inside a program - Self-awareness).
John Shelby!
When we getting a new punisher reaction the final episode
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Even though I really enjoyed this episode, I don't like the implications that this might be the future of dating. Having a system pick someone for you takes away all the excitement and discovery of finding someone that you connect with. I would get bored quickly and be unappreciative if my "perfect mate" was chosen for me. So this system would not work for me.
It's not a happy ending if you interpret the story as them giving up their free will to technology.
This feels like they were trying to remake San junipero with this episode. Don't get me wrong I love this episode but San junipero is better