I don't think the Puzzlevision movie was even meant to be considered the end of the saga but rather it's a false ending of sorts. With the community post calling it an arc, I think what actually ended was this specific recent series of Puzzlevision episodes and not the saga itself. That same post mentioned Mr Puzzles potential return in a way that feels like it's a bit of a cheeky hint that it was always the plan for him to return.
I can see that as an actual possibility. Because it did felt like a “That’s it?” Moment of the ending in the Puzzlevision movie. Because on how we barely learned about him and on how unique as a character like him is. So we could possible hope that he could make a return, to learn more of him. I’m hoping Mr. Puzzles makes a return.
I mean they dont use them at all in the movie likely becouse they share a single brain cell but maybe it was for another reason? Why would puzzles put the ONLY TWO guardians together????? Its acually so weird and opens doors to many more questions and theories
I'm guessing he will return as a side character instead of a villian. My theory is that losing the 5 stars combined with being smashed by SMG4 has destroyed his ability to bring people into his head. So now he continues his goal of making a 5 star show the old fashioned way with actual actors and such, no longer messing with the SMG4 crew. Probably never actually suceeding and therefore no longer being a threat. Maybe he sees how smg4's being chaotic and random got them 5.5 stars and tries to copy that instead of what he was trying before. Which is why he would probably become more comedic and jokey like all the side characters are.
I noticed that all his stars shattered except for his last one as it only broke. Maybe him coming back has been planned before hand as said in the theory video. EDIT: I would personally like to see him, Marty, and somehow Wren and Tv Adware come back together and plot a big battle for the next movie or wotfi arc, because we never saw what happened to Marty and Tv Adware(if Tv Adware is something different then Mr. Puzzles).
Another reason I think that Mr puzzles will return is because, remember in the 'our new home' video, when the showgrounds came up, it had the PV logo on it? Which means he technically owns the showgrounds! Do, he could return to secretely live in the boarded up room, since he technically owns the showgrounds!!!!
I don't think Mr. Puzzles technically OWNS the Showgrounds, I think he created the Showgrounds with his god-like powers and made it as his secret hiding spot. And then he later put it up on sale for the SMG4 Crew so he can lure them directly to him after they finish building the new castle.
You know what they should do? They should make Mr Puzzles THE villain of SMG4, the series hasn’t really had a proper reoccurring villain since SMG3 pre cosmology saga, and I think Mr Puzzles can work well as a constant reoccurring villain for them. Make him the series’s Bowser
They should also bring back Enzo and make him a villain but he goes through a redemption arc after being puppeted by mr puzzles and seeing smg3 become good
@@jockson7574 Enzo has stated he does not want his recolor used anymore, there were a lot of fans harassing him to try to get him to appear in the series again.
I honestly began to theorize around the middle of the Puzzlevision arc that Mr. Puzzles was related to Mr. Monitor, but this was disproven when in the song, he reveals he was once an ordinary person.
If Mr Puzzles does return as a secondary antagonist, it would be interesting to see him as some sort of parasite; feeding of the main antagonist's labours in order to regain his lost power. Though if he were to stay as a main antagonist, I think he should go back to targeting emotionally unstable people with strong desires because there's a lot of cool ideas that can be done.
Few things: 1. I’m willing to bet there really isn’t a mystery to how he has these powers. Him creating a “better” show than SMG4 probably just also makes him a “better” content creator, giving him power over SMG4 and his own show, which was why them making a show with more stars than him took his power over them away. 2. While I think I personally would prefer him to be reformed and join the cast (I thought he meshed well with the cast when interacting with them under his control) and perhaps living in one of the currently unfinished rooms of the castle (or THE room) to help SMG4 make videos, I actually like the idea of him becoming a recurring side villain like SMG3 used to be as well. Never thought of that.
The end of the movie definitely felt similar to how the Genesis Arc concluded in terms of unanswered questions. I strongly believe we will get a new arc in mid/late summer in which Mr Puzzles will work with a new or existing villain to seek revenge on the SMG4 Crew, which might lead to WOTFI 2024.
I actually have a theory that Mr. Puzzles can come back as a reformed character, or rather someone that would originally try to get revenge only to grow soft on one of the cast members. I actually have a fan comic currently going on right now that's a "what if" scenario to the aftermath of the Puzzlevision series, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't exactly close or accurate. But if I had to give my own thoughts, the biggest reason why I think me and so many other people want him to change is because of one line he says in his song: *"It was a struggle to find anybody who could be my buddy."* Plus, the biggest thing, that I noticed, that he wanted to do once he got those 5 stars was to make himself a main character and be adored, which would mean he'd get to have everyone accept him. This likely would mean Puzzles wasn't getting 5 stars *just* to become God, but to get the love and acceptance he never got as a kid. So that's why I theorize that he could likely be slowly reformed, though I would agree it would be difficult for the SMG4 crew to just upright accept an asshole that tormented them for over a year... unless one of them wasn't actually involved in any of the sagas. Guess who I had in mind? *Melony.*
ALSO, when smg4 kicked Mr puzzles ass in the end, TECHNICALLY, that was just Mr puzzles SCREEN and not his whole body!! I think what might happen is that he wakes up somewhere and will be in serious damage ( obviously, damn that final hit from smg4 was wild!) and comes back?? I’m not sure but that’s what I think
Maybe during her personal crisis in Sunset Paradise, she received an email from him asking if she would like to buy his products, but she of course refused, finding the offers shady. I mean, she did go through a personal crisis
I just read it and it says maybe he’ll return if we want more, maybe he’ll make him just another character they bump into once and a while or maybe he’ll be an anti hero like smg3
There is one more thing that could connect Clench to Mr. Puzzles. During Mr. Puzzles breakdown after escaping from Mario, his voice fluctuates at least once, changing to sound suspiciously similar to Clench’s. I know it’s not much, but it’s still something that stood out to at least me.
I’d personally like to see some sort of redemption during an arc (preferably next year) what? If we can redeem SMG3, Bob and Waluigi, we can do the same thing with Mr Puzzles (maybe sort of like the Collector and Hunter’s redemptions in the Owl House)
He could be a near friend but ofc if mr puzzles redempts, he would be just neutral ofc if bowser's return he could be teached by some ex villains, other thing is about saiko has her own personal@@ARFGT
So i think that it could be Mario that would revive mr.puzzles Bc as i saw the wiki page of mario from google I saw that mario has the similar obsessions as mr.puzzles
Mr puzzles would be a TERRIFYING antagonist i can imagine all the ways he can trow the cast around like little puppets also i feel like hes not very happy after smg4s snap at him
I have a scenario where multiple big entertainment companies bought smaller companies of the Puzzlevision company and kidnapps the two or three caracther of the smg4 cast to make show's and make the most profit. All the while they deliver themself's in a gang which later turn into a civil war and no one can stop them since princesse Peach is missing. So they capture multiple part's of the mushroom kingdoom and do a 1984 like totalitarian regimes, all the while the smg4 cast and some minor/new caracther's try to stop them from destroying the mushroom kingdoom (plus one the i am thinking have a radio as a head)
Mr Puzzles must return, I hope they give him the Zer0 treatment and he comes back for WOTFI 2024! Also we need answers to questions: What’s Clench’s role? What’s behind the door? What’s Peach doing now? Will the gang find out that Mr. Puzzles started IGBP, Western Spaghetti and WOTFI 2023?
I believe that even if mr puzzles doesn't return (for some reason) that he isn't outright dead because when smg4 used luigi the meat mallet to destroy him after he lost all his power just cracked mr puzzles' screen again which based off of the movie isn't fatal to mr puzzles, but in the state he is in currently, he would need to be recovered by someone or something or i don't think he has a way to get back to the showgrounds.
I have a theory: remember when mr puzzles tried bringing mario back to the show? He became the TV in the SMG4s Castle which means he left his old tv head. Maybe when smg4 smashed his head he just switched tvs once again
Here's another thing to note. If he is supposedly weakened by 1 star ratings, then why didn't Mr Puzzles get concerned over his first shows not receiving perfect ratings. If you ask me, this whole movie feels like something he was intentionally scripting. Mr Puzzles is essentially tricking the crew into believing that they defeated him, but in reality, Mr Puzzles is still trapping them in his simulation
I honestly feel like the next arc where Mr Puzzles will come back, he will be more than a simple Villain, he will probably become a giant machine that controls everything and traps all the SMG4 Crew into digital worlds where they will have to confront Their Worst Nightmares, idk probably like *Omega Flowey* or Him in the Original Creative-Control Prototype Animatic before being used in SMG4 idk... And i know how will this happen! Puzzlevision after getting knocked away by SMG4 and Luigi as a Meat Mallet (lmao) he will fall into a Trash Can that is near *Prof. E. Gadd* 's Giant Laboratory where he is building *Giant Virtual Reality Game System Machine* ( The *GVRGSM-3000* ) but he is searching for the last piece for ending the built of his great invention, *A Television* ! As Soon as E. Gadd leaves for searching for this last item to add for the Completion of his invention, he notices this abandoned TV ( *Mr. Puzzles' Head* ) in the giant Trash Can next to the door for his lab, E. Gadd, happy and lucky, Takes, fix this television by rebuilding it into a Giant Monitor thank to other useful machines he have and connects it to his giant Virtual Game System Machine! But when he starts to turn on his Invention for the first time, he already notices the invention is behaving Aggressively and Malfunctionally in a way that should not be second his project, E. Gadd, Terrified tries to press any button possible (forgot to not press every button randomly or the machine will explode) to stop his great machine from this mysterious malfunction, he hears an angrily " *Hey!* ", turns back and sees the Giant TV Monitor on the top on the machine Fully Active with a scary familiar face, Mr Puzzles is still alive, E. Gadd questions him who is and what he wants from him and his machine, Mr Puzzles then presents him back (with another song i think) to him ending with taking him aggressively by controlling all the tentacle-like mechanic arms and his entire lab and then throwing him out of the lab violently and (probably) killing him out from the window up on the roof now broken because of the arm, then Mr Puzzles after getting rid of E. Gadd starts to laugh but more crazily and realizes a plan, he Replaces E. Gadd with a Hologram Copy of him that fakes to be in danger in the lab because of some serious malfunction in the machine that causes a total Blackout and Television-Malfunction around the entire Mushroom-Kingdom and calls the SMG4 Crew ( this time along with *Saiko* , *Melony* , *Smg1* and *Smg2* ) that is geniuinely in some way suspicious and felt familiar on what is going to happen ofc, as soon as the smg4 crew meet E. Gadd in the first rooms of the lab hidden under some Area-51 like camp zone they start follow him, but just two of them notice something is going wrong with him and almost understand he is not the real one, Meggy and Luigi, the two are even more suspicious than the other on what is behind all of this, they start to separate secretly from the crew, explore the lab until they arrive to the place and find the *Giant Virtual Reality Game System Machine* (or simply the *GVRGSM-3000* ) first before the rest of the crew, something suddenly their attention, a collection of papers describing the project of the machine, but once the two see the depiction of a Familiarly-Shaped television between the drawn pieces of the machine for the construction they start turning around slowly confused and traumatized for some reason, when Mario comes at them in a Heart-Attacking Scary way, he ends up kicked off to the ground (a bit like the ending of *Mario Goes Coo-Coo Crazy* from SMG4 and SMG3) from the two scared with eyes hardly closed without realizing who is until they understand and tell a bit nervous to mario to not do that anymore, when the two look back uncomfortably suspicious at the giant active tv monitor on the top of the giant virtual reality game system machine (that is basically different from the original head of Mr Puzzles) while mario stands up back from being kicked on the ground and watching confused that giant monitor like them, they approach the machine to try understand some commands to make it turn on back the energy of the mushroom kingdom, when the SMG4 Crew, Worried, finally finds them, they start discuting confusely with them about where they have been, in the meanwhile SMG3 and Tari too notices the papers describing the construction of the machine and they basically think to know the TV depicted in one of them, and as they turn around and see E. Gadd glitching, they they awarely come close at and question insistively the hologramized Scientist about questions he could answer too several times until he glitches, SMG4 is very crazily confused on what is going on and what's the meaning of all of this, SMG3 then shows the papers includily ending with the one who has the Familiar TV Depicted, SMG4 and the rest of the crew is now entirely suspicious on what is going to happen to them, once they started almost realize about everything, they claimed each other that the " *TV Creep* " has been literally defeated and definitively destroyed and that is impossible the fact he would come back, something truly scary is now going to happen to them, E. Gadd slams the door to the room where they are and screams them very terrified and worried with the shoes and Clothes dirty and broken and his hairs totally messed up to not trust the hologram and to run way from the lab absolutely, once the crew sees the real E. Gadd totally looking like one dragged off out from someone framing him entering the room and giving this serious danger advertisement, they look very scared at the hologram, the hologram then suddenly starts to deform and then glitch out into Mr. Puzzles even more Unhinged welcoming them to a brand new and better adventure, Meggy, Furious and Traumatized screams " *I knew it!* ", SMG1 and SMG2 say something shocking, " *Oh...Mr Puzzles...I know its been a lot of time...* ", Everyone Completely Shocked, Mostly SMG4, look at the two SMGs! SMG1 Explains the story of their past relation between them and Mr Puzzles, when mr puzzles was young and had them like friends, he has always been the two's first ever stupid sona ( A *Ness* ), like Mario was for SMG4, Ness always had amazing adventures along with the two and has always been their co-worker, before creating Spudnick like their final OC's version over ness, ness has later been trashed by the three and used as an useless minor character, so him, being tired of always being ignored and no more known as their real friend, he tried several times to corrupt their world for revenge, with then getting always lack of success and he always got defeated from them like he was now no more a friend of them but the biggest villain of their life; Mr. Puzzles then explains that he decided to quit away from his role in their world until one day he has gone away in another dimension (thanks to the portal opened and left by Mario and SMG4 in *The Other Universe* episode), When ness came to their their world and has heard lot of people talking about the SMG4 Crew he had lot of stress that he always planned to find way how to ruin SMG4's life until when he had a home after seeing someone moving away from it he entered and discovered an invention that foreverly changed his lufe, The Television, that exactly took away all of his problems and gave him the great decision to cut off his head to put a tv on its place, and that since that moment, he started to make everything in the purpose to ruin the entire SMG4 Crew's life, just because of being abandoned by his former friends! When SMG4 understands everything, he storms even more more menaciously at Mr Puzzles to leave him and his Crew alone, but as soon as Mr Puzzles warns at all of the crew that he is not the real Mr Puzzles in different ways while the entire crew insist on killing him he does the worst thing ever, being him now a giant hologram-creating machine that controls everything in a dark secret lab, he closes all the doors and exits in the entire lab and uses the lab's mechanic arms to Burn the roof to make fall things for blocking their exit rip off the poisonous gas tubes to make them faint and put them into the *GVRGSM-3000* 's Capsules ( *Including E. Gadd* ), where they will wake up amnesic and alone into virtual heavens that will slowly turn into Their Worst Nightmares possible as soon as they will going to realize of what happened to them before...
If Mr Puzzle's Ended up coming back (good), then he could be in the Human form before he cut his face off, since his current model wouldn't Fit in with the SMG4 Cast .
i honestly feel like mr puzzles wasnt finished in the best wayl its gotta be perfect and western spaghetti felt more as a big build up for a Big bad guy like zero just for his arc to be this short and end in a anticlimatic way
If Mr. Puzzles ever returns, I'd definitely want some questions answered. - Where did Mr. Puzzles land? - What was his childhood like in the perspective of other people? He mentioned that he struggled to make friends in his backstory. - When, where and how did Mr. Puzzles even get his powers in the first place? - How long has Mr. Puzzles' plan been going on?
I hope we get to see more of Mr. Puzzles. I believe he will potentially redeemed himself and join the SMG4 crew. Sure did brainwashed them to do his bidding and tried to turn the world into a simulation/TV show, but it all because he never had any friends in his childhood/backstory and wanted make a great and amazing TV show to be entertained. I find him more sympathetic than the rest of the SMG4 villains.
Let's face it, sure, he imprisoned the whole cast- that's because he was well, as his song explains, lonely, and sought to be the best showrunner of all.
how i think mr puzzles will return: he might get possesed or become a part of some creature like the prototype from poppy playtime, maybe the new creature will grab mr puzzles powers and the tv, who knows, maybe he will be recruited by some smg4 traitor and reepiared.(btw mr puzzles is my favorite villian) or maybe he will return but still cracked or withered.
You know No Null I actually had a very creative/ interesting idea on puzzlevsion return and let me tell you it has to do with splatoon 3 side order memverse. Shan I explain in full detail of what it is?
I hope he return but with a new tv head like super tech one with power that make cartoon real but I mr.puzzle to come back when the safe is low in ideas
I think Mr puzzles will be an aliy now because just like smg4 he wanted something, failed, and now is a good guy. Plus Mr puzzles wasn't even a villain, more like he was just broken.
What if they still in his tv head and mr puzzle fool them do think they escape so they wouldn't try to escape because they think that they around escape
In my eyes SMG4 never intended for the Puzzlevision movie to be Mr Puzzle's last appearance. It was said that the saga had finally come to a close but I interpreted this as meaning the first of multiple sagas in the same way that WOTFI 2021 was the end of a saga but not the end of zero, as of course he returned in another arc later on, being Revelations. This may have been the end of the 'Puzzlevision arc/saga' but it doesn't mean it is the end of Mr Puzzle's as well. I think its more likely that SMG4 always intended to bring him back though I concede its possible they didn't necesarily have further plans for him or anticipate his popularity to this extent. That being said, regardless which of these views you took, from this recent community post it's almost guaranteed that he will be making a return now that all of us have made it clear how much we loved Mr Puzzles as a character and how much more potential we think he has. Very much looking forward to his return. (I think WOTFI 2024 is too soon though, ya'll need to be more patient lmao. It would be boring to bring him back again so quickly, give it another year of hints and buildup.)
Remember dk country when after defeating k rool you get a fake credits thats what he is doing right now baiting us to think its all over when in reality he is only getting started
Mr. Puzzles will be forgiven i think or not who knows. I did like the chatacter. Not hating on the fact the poor guy just wanted to entertain people. But who knows what might happen. I think he will be out for revenge but heres a twist what if there was a new villian that had mr. Puzzles as a ally and servant. Also to be clear Mr. Puzzles is weak and probally will be begging to smg4 to join his crew or not besides Mr. Puzzles is a great character and when i get that plushie of him i will treasure the poor guy.
Yeah know this made me think about something 🤔: SMG4, to some context is no better than Mr. Puzzles, think about it. SMG4 is an outsider through an USB, when he first came to the Mario Universe, he changed pretty much everything about it; including the established characters in that universe🤔. Though SMG4 didn’t mean any ill will from changing the Mario Universe, he essentially did the same thing Mr. Puzzles did, only SMG4 WON! All the Nintendo characters we know in love have lost their true selfs years ago, but everyone is unaware or at least ignorant about it😅🤔. Really Mr. Puzzles is doing the same thing but in the SMG4 universe, he is the villain, but in any other universe, he would be respected, for his ability to make a parody of anything and make it work 😮 Hey if SMG4 ever decides to retire from the main SMG4 channel his send of should be an ark where he realizes he is playing God, so he leaves the SMG4 universe to have everything normal again😅
I feel like morden smg4 just leaves a bunch of old characters out nowadays. It's like a ton of characters who would appear every few episodes have just be relegated to cameos every once in a while.
Because 1, killing off a character just cus they appear more is a dumb move and or reason. And 2 she's been around since the early days, so killing her off wouldn't make sense.
@@writer6659 I mean, what is there left to do with her? She's had so much development that it feels like there's nothing left to do with her aside from Sunset Paradise season 2
Theres so much we still dont know with this man, and hes one of the most unique characters ive ever seen. I *need* more mr puzzles
I need him as a main character ngl I would love to see him joining the main cast to help smg4 ( the character) as like a co host
@@Glitchm77plays it will not gonna be in the main cast in a million years
@@skataman56i mean the same shit happened with smg3 lmao anything could happen really
I don't think the Puzzlevision movie was even meant to be considered the end of the saga but rather it's a false ending of sorts.
With the community post calling it an arc, I think what actually ended was this specific recent series of Puzzlevision episodes and not the saga itself. That same post mentioned Mr Puzzles potential return in a way that feels like it's a bit of a cheeky hint that it was always the plan for him to return.
It could've just been paused for some other arcs or something.
But it's probably going to resume later, if it didn't end.
@@lesha32171 I can see that happening and unfolding in front of my very eyes...
I can see that as an actual possibility. Because it did felt like a “That’s it?” Moment of the ending in the Puzzlevision movie. Because on how we barely learned about him and on how unique as a character like him is. So we could possible hope that he could make a return, to learn more of him. I’m hoping Mr. Puzzles makes a return.
Yeah, Mr Puzzles is luring them into a false sense of victory for the perfect time to strike
2:56 I'm starting to think that Clench was actually hiding from 3 and 4 because of their meme powers and not from Mr Puzzles.
I mean they dont use them at all in the movie likely becouse they share a single brain cell but maybe it was for another reason? Why would puzzles put the ONLY TWO guardians together????? Its acually so weird and opens doors to many more questions and theories
3:20 that caught me off guard lmao
I'm guessing he will return as a side character instead of a villian.
My theory is that losing the 5 stars combined with being smashed by SMG4 has destroyed his ability to bring people into his head. So now he continues his goal of making a 5 star show the old fashioned way with actual actors and such, no longer messing with the SMG4 crew. Probably never actually suceeding and therefore no longer being a threat.
Maybe he sees how smg4's being chaotic and random got them 5.5 stars and tries to copy that instead of what he was trying before. Which is why he would probably become more comedic and jokey like all the side characters are.
Tbh I like this guess of how he's gonna come Back WHEN he does come back
WHEN
I noticed that all his stars shattered except for his last one as it only broke. Maybe him coming back has been planned before hand as said in the theory video.
EDIT: I would personally like to see him, Marty, and somehow Wren and Tv Adware come back together and plot a big battle for the next movie or wotfi arc, because we never saw what happened to Marty and Tv Adware(if Tv Adware is something different then Mr. Puzzles).
Another reason I think that Mr puzzles will return is because, remember in the 'our new home' video, when the showgrounds came up, it had the PV logo on it? Which means he technically owns the showgrounds! Do, he could return to secretely live in the boarded up room, since he technically owns the showgrounds!!!!
Bruh UNDERRATED!!??THATS A GOOD THEORY
and once that happens, they leave the showgrounds! then they could fuse the ruins of peaches castle with the ruins of the SMG4 castle!
@supermariodanny3820 good after-theory bro!
@@mattgarbeil5922 thanks!
I don't think Mr. Puzzles technically OWNS the Showgrounds, I think he created the Showgrounds with his god-like powers and made it as his secret hiding spot. And then he later put it up on sale for the SMG4 Crew so he can lure them directly to him after they finish building the new castle.
Mr Puzzles : **dies 1 day ago**
No Null : MR PUZZLES WILL RETURN !
You know what they should do? They should make Mr Puzzles THE villain of SMG4, the series hasn’t really had a proper reoccurring villain since SMG3 pre cosmology saga, and I think Mr Puzzles can work well as a constant reoccurring villain for them. Make him the series’s Bowser
They should also bring back Enzo and make him a villain but he goes through a redemption arc after being puppeted by mr puzzles and seeing smg3 become good
Yeah, he could be the series modern equivalent of pre cosmology SMG3.
@@jockson7574they can’t bring enzo back because his real life counterpart asked to be taken out of the show since he got harassed
@@Strawberric wait what do you mean
@@jockson7574 Enzo has stated he does not want his recolor used anymore, there were a lot of fans harassing him to try to get him to appear in the series again.
I honestly began to theorize around the middle of the Puzzlevision arc that Mr. Puzzles was related to Mr. Monitor, but this was disproven when in the song, he reveals he was once an ordinary person.
Yeah I thought that too
I feel as though Mr Puzzles's backstory was false and he lied to them
yes like how did he live when he cut off his head
If Mr Puzzles does return as a secondary antagonist, it would be interesting to see him as some sort of parasite; feeding of the main antagonist's labours in order to regain his lost power.
Though if he were to stay as a main antagonist, I think he should go back to targeting emotionally unstable people with strong desires because there's a lot of cool ideas that can be done.
I always thought mr puzzles and Hal monitor were connected somehow
Few things:
1. I’m willing to bet there really isn’t a mystery to how he has these powers. Him creating a “better” show than SMG4 probably just also makes him a “better” content creator, giving him power over SMG4 and his own show, which was why them making a show with more stars than him took his power over them away.
2. While I think I personally would prefer him to be reformed and join the cast (I thought he meshed well with the cast when interacting with them under his control) and perhaps living in one of the currently unfinished rooms of the castle (or THE room) to help SMG4 make videos, I actually like the idea of him becoming a recurring side villain like SMG3 used to be as well. Never thought of that.
The end of the movie definitely felt similar to how the Genesis Arc concluded in terms of unanswered questions. I strongly believe we will get a new arc in mid/late summer in which Mr Puzzles will work with a new or existing villain to seek revenge on the SMG4 Crew, which might lead to WOTFI 2024.
Anyone else find it weird that smg4 hasn’t made a full arc playlist yet he’s only got the 4 puzzlevision episodes
I actually have a theory that Mr. Puzzles can come back as a reformed character, or rather someone that would originally try to get revenge only to grow soft on one of the cast members. I actually have a fan comic currently going on right now that's a "what if" scenario to the aftermath of the Puzzlevision series, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't exactly close or accurate.
But if I had to give my own thoughts, the biggest reason why I think me and so many other people want him to change is because of one line he says in his song: *"It was a struggle to find anybody who could be my buddy."* Plus, the biggest thing, that I noticed, that he wanted to do once he got those 5 stars was to make himself a main character and be adored, which would mean he'd get to have everyone accept him. This likely would mean Puzzles wasn't getting 5 stars *just* to become God, but to get the love and acceptance he never got as a kid.
So that's why I theorize that he could likely be slowly reformed, though I would agree it would be difficult for the SMG4 crew to just upright accept an asshole that tormented them for over a year... unless one of them wasn't actually involved in any of the sagas. Guess who I had in mind?
*Melony.*
ALSO, when smg4 kicked Mr puzzles ass in the end, TECHNICALLY, that was just Mr puzzles SCREEN and not his whole body!! I think what might happen is that he wakes up somewhere and will be in serious damage ( obviously, damn that final hit from smg4 was wild!) and comes back?? I’m not sure but that’s what I think
UR RIGHT
we also don't know anything about why meggy has seen the puzzlevision logo before
Maybe during her personal crisis in Sunset Paradise, she received an email from him asking if she would like to buy his products, but she of course refused, finding the offers shady. I mean, she did go through a personal crisis
@@benbarnett5743 No, she probably saw it on the TV in Wren's house. But Tari and us wouldn't see it since she already was there.
@@lesha32171 Then why didn't she tell her about it?
YES agree bro thats what I was forgetting to bring up!!! How is Meggy familiar with the logo??
@@JAYZ-47465 Perhaps she saw the logo on the tv when she explored the abandoned house with Tari
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This video has become real
I just read it and it says maybe he’ll return if we want more, maybe he’ll make him just another character they bump into once and a while or maybe he’ll be an anti hero like smg3
Besides the banner didn’t change yet, it’s still the puzzlevision one
There is one more thing that could connect Clench to Mr. Puzzles. During Mr. Puzzles breakdown after escaping from Mario, his voice fluctuates at least once, changing to sound suspiciously similar to Clench’s. I know it’s not much, but it’s still something that stood out to at least me.
I’d personally like to see some sort of redemption during an arc (preferably next year)
what? If we can redeem SMG3, Bob and Waluigi, we can do the same thing with Mr Puzzles (maybe sort of like the Collector and Hunter’s redemptions in the Owl House)
and he can become good friends with SMG4 over content creation (also all his trauma was from having no friends so...)
He could be a near friend but ofc if mr puzzles redempts, he would be just neutral ofc if bowser's return he could be teached by some ex villains, other thing is about saiko has her own personal@@ARFGT
Maabyee.. his deeds were worse , like he put 3 main characters through stress or trauma
so it would either take alot of time or never happen.
So i think that it could be Mario that would revive mr.puzzles
Bc as i saw the wiki page of mario from google
I saw that mario has the similar obsessions as mr.puzzles
My guess to how Mr puzzles would return:
As a cameo character at most
now is a secondary character
I'm guessing if Mr puzzles is forgiven. He'll make a inde animation studio in the showgrounds
He wouldn’t because he put everyone through horrible trauma which was very unforgivable which me likey
Mr puzzles would be a TERRIFYING antagonist i can imagine all the ways he can trow the cast around like little puppets also i feel like hes not very happy after smg4s snap at him
I really hope he comes back at some point. Mr. Puzzles is a great character and he deserves more screen time.
I have a scenario where multiple big entertainment companies bought smaller companies of the Puzzlevision company and kidnapps the two or three caracther of the smg4 cast to make show's and make the most profit. All the while they deliver themself's in a gang which later turn into a civil war and no one can stop them since princesse Peach is missing. So they capture multiple part's of the mushroom kingdoom and do a 1984 like totalitarian regimes, all the while the smg4 cast and some minor/new caracther's try to stop them from destroying the mushroom kingdoom (plus one the i am thinking have a radio as a head)
' You can destroy the fame of the host but the entertainment is INFINITUM ETERNUS
Now Airing 7... ' - Chrome
You know, who else would have a similar repeat of Waluigi's, Bob's, and SMG3's Character development? Peach!
I would like if he came back as a semi-frequent villain who wants to outshine Smg4, just like Smg3 back in the day.
Mr Puzzles must return, I hope they give him the Zer0 treatment and he comes back for WOTFI 2024!
Also we need answers to questions:
What’s Clench’s role?
What’s behind the door?
What’s Peach doing now?
Will the gang find out that Mr. Puzzles started IGBP, Western Spaghetti and WOTFI 2023?
They know Mr. Puzzles started IGBP now.
@@ibraahimdureng7482 and Western spaghetti
We also need to know if Marty and Lui will come to life
@@jockson7574 And how Meggy recognized the logo of the adware
@@benbarnett5743 I think I’ve said this to you but she must have seen it in Wren’s abandoned house
Clench powered off because he talks with people he meets but with other people he turns off
I believe that even if mr puzzles doesn't return (for some reason) that he isn't outright dead because when smg4 used luigi the meat mallet to destroy him after he lost all his power just cracked mr puzzles' screen again which based off of the movie isn't fatal to mr puzzles, but in the state he is in currently, he would need to be recovered by someone or something or i don't think he has a way to get back to the showgrounds.
They might give him the zero treatment for more character development and background stories
To be fair they said they would bring him back if the fans wanted which means that he is definitely coming back bc literally everyone wants him back
I feel like Mr puzzles will take on similar role as Smg3 once did and eventually join the Smg4 crew and also get a backstory movie
I need more of my insane tv man 😔
We’re all so fucking happy😂
I have a theory: remember when mr puzzles tried bringing mario back to the show? He became the TV in the SMG4s Castle which means he left his old tv head. Maybe when smg4 smashed his head he just switched tvs once again
You're right he came back (instantly)
Here's another thing to note. If he is supposedly weakened by 1 star ratings, then why didn't Mr Puzzles get concerned over his first shows not receiving perfect ratings. If you ask me, this whole movie feels like something he was intentionally scripting. Mr Puzzles is essentially tricking the crew into believing that they defeated him, but in reality, Mr Puzzles is still trapping them in his simulation
I honestly feel like the next arc where Mr Puzzles will come back, he will be more than a simple Villain, he will probably become a giant machine that controls everything and traps all the SMG4 Crew into digital worlds where they will have to confront Their Worst Nightmares, idk probably like *Omega Flowey* or Him in the Original Creative-Control Prototype Animatic before being used in SMG4 idk...
And i know how will this happen!
Puzzlevision after getting knocked away by SMG4 and Luigi as a Meat Mallet (lmao) he will fall into a Trash Can that is near *Prof. E. Gadd* 's Giant Laboratory where he is building *Giant Virtual Reality Game System Machine* ( The *GVRGSM-3000* ) but he is searching for the last piece for ending the built of his great invention, *A Television* ! As Soon as E. Gadd leaves for searching for this last item to add for the Completion of his invention, he notices this abandoned TV ( *Mr. Puzzles' Head* ) in the giant Trash Can next to the door for his lab, E. Gadd, happy and lucky, Takes, fix this television by rebuilding it into a Giant Monitor thank to other useful machines he have and connects it to his giant Virtual Game System Machine!
But when he starts to turn on his Invention for the first time, he already notices the invention is behaving Aggressively and Malfunctionally in a way that should not be second his project, E. Gadd, Terrified tries to press any button possible (forgot to not press every button randomly or the machine will explode) to stop his great machine from this mysterious malfunction, he hears an angrily " *Hey!* ", turns back and sees the Giant TV Monitor on the top on the machine Fully Active with a scary familiar face, Mr Puzzles is still alive, E. Gadd questions him who is and what he wants from him and his machine, Mr Puzzles then presents him back (with another song i think) to him ending with taking him aggressively by controlling all the tentacle-like mechanic arms and his entire lab and then throwing him out of the lab violently and (probably) killing him out from the window up on the roof now broken because of the arm, then Mr Puzzles after getting rid of E. Gadd starts to laugh but more crazily and realizes a plan, he Replaces E. Gadd with a Hologram Copy of him that fakes to be in danger in the lab because of some serious malfunction in the machine that causes a total Blackout and Television-Malfunction around the entire Mushroom-Kingdom and calls the SMG4 Crew ( this time along with *Saiko* , *Melony* , *Smg1* and *Smg2* ) that is geniuinely in some way suspicious and felt familiar on what is going to happen ofc, as soon as the smg4 crew meet E. Gadd in the first rooms of the lab hidden under some Area-51 like camp zone they start follow him, but just two of them notice something is going wrong with him and almost understand he is not the real one, Meggy and Luigi, the two are even more suspicious than the other on what is behind all of this, they start to separate secretly from the crew, explore the lab until they arrive to the place and find the *Giant Virtual Reality Game System Machine* (or simply the *GVRGSM-3000* ) first before the rest of the crew, something suddenly their attention, a collection of papers describing the project of the machine, but once the two see the depiction of a Familiarly-Shaped television between the drawn pieces of the machine for the construction they start turning around slowly confused and traumatized for some reason, when Mario comes at them in a Heart-Attacking Scary way, he ends up kicked off to the ground (a bit like the ending of *Mario Goes Coo-Coo Crazy* from SMG4 and SMG3) from the two scared with eyes hardly closed without realizing who is until they understand and tell a bit nervous to mario to not do that anymore, when the two look back uncomfortably suspicious at the giant active tv monitor on the top of the giant virtual reality game system machine (that is basically different from the original head of Mr Puzzles) while mario stands up back from being kicked on the ground and watching confused that giant monitor like them, they approach the machine to try understand some commands to make it turn on back the energy of the mushroom kingdom, when the SMG4 Crew, Worried, finally finds them, they start discuting confusely with them about where they have been, in the meanwhile SMG3 and Tari too notices the papers describing the construction of the machine and they basically think to know the TV depicted in one of them, and as they turn around and see E. Gadd glitching, they they awarely come close at and question insistively the hologramized Scientist about questions he could answer too several times until he glitches, SMG4 is very crazily confused on what is going on and what's the meaning of all of this, SMG3 then shows the papers includily ending with the one who has the Familiar TV Depicted, SMG4 and the rest of the crew is now entirely suspicious on what is going to happen to them, once they started almost realize about everything, they claimed each other that the " *TV Creep* " has been literally defeated and definitively destroyed and that is impossible the fact he would come back, something truly scary is now going to happen to them, E. Gadd slams the door to the room where they are and screams them very terrified and worried with the shoes and Clothes dirty and broken and his hairs totally messed up to not trust the hologram and to run way from the lab absolutely, once the crew sees the real E. Gadd totally looking like one dragged off out from someone framing him entering the room and giving this serious danger advertisement, they look very scared at the hologram, the hologram then suddenly starts to deform and then glitch out into Mr. Puzzles even more Unhinged welcoming them to a brand new and better adventure, Meggy, Furious and Traumatized screams " *I knew it!* ", SMG1 and SMG2 say something shocking, " *Oh...Mr Puzzles...I know its been a lot of time...* ", Everyone Completely Shocked, Mostly SMG4, look at the two SMGs!
SMG1 Explains the story of their past relation between them and Mr Puzzles, when mr puzzles was young and had them like friends, he has always been the two's first ever stupid sona ( A *Ness* ), like Mario was for SMG4, Ness always had amazing adventures along with the two and has always been their co-worker, before creating Spudnick like their final OC's version over ness, ness has later been trashed by the three and used as an useless minor character, so him, being tired of always being ignored and no more known as their real friend, he tried several times to corrupt their world for revenge, with then getting always lack of success and he always got defeated from them like he was now no more a friend of them but the biggest villain of their life;
Mr. Puzzles then explains that he decided to quit away from his role in their world until one day he has gone away in another dimension (thanks to the portal opened and left by Mario and SMG4 in *The Other Universe* episode), When ness came to their their world and has heard lot of people talking about the SMG4 Crew he had lot of stress that he always planned to find way how to ruin SMG4's life until when he had a home after seeing someone moving away from it he entered and discovered an invention that foreverly changed his lufe, The Television, that exactly took away all of his problems and gave him the great decision to cut off his head to put a tv on its place, and that since that moment, he started to make everything in the purpose to ruin the entire SMG4 Crew's life, just because of being abandoned by his former friends!
When SMG4 understands everything, he storms even more more menaciously at Mr Puzzles to leave him and his Crew alone, but as soon as Mr Puzzles warns at all of the crew that he is not the real Mr Puzzles in different ways while the entire crew insist on killing him he does the worst thing ever, being him now a giant hologram-creating machine that controls everything in a dark secret lab, he closes all the doors and exits in the entire lab and uses the lab's mechanic arms to Burn the roof to make fall things for blocking their exit rip off the poisonous gas tubes to make them faint and put them into the *GVRGSM-3000* 's Capsules ( *Including E. Gadd* ), where they will wake up amnesic and alone into virtual heavens that will slowly turn into Their Worst Nightmares possible as soon as they will going to realize of what happened to them before...
Dude you gotta level up that S.H.I.M.P like fr
If Mr Puzzle's Ended up coming back (good), then he could be in the Human form before he cut his face off, since his current model wouldn't Fit in with the SMG4 Cast .
SMG4 Theory: Puzzlevision is French. There is a Fleur-de-lis at the top of the bar when its loading the episode we're on
SMG4 crew take notes. No Null is cooking.
Bro is a simpson he be predicting
This guy has gotta give up on clench, seriously he has nothing to do with it
i honestly feel like mr puzzles wasnt finished in the best wayl its gotta be perfect and western spaghetti felt more as a big build up for a Big bad guy like zero just for his arc to be this short and end in a anticlimatic way
If Mr. Puzzles ever returns, I'd definitely want some questions answered.
- Where did Mr. Puzzles land?
- What was his childhood like in the perspective of other people? He mentioned that he struggled to make friends in his backstory.
- When, where and how did Mr. Puzzles even get his powers in the first place?
- How long has Mr. Puzzles' plan been going on?
A question I have is how does the show ground relate to Mr. Puzzles
@@Lost_Man_2023-YTKPHis old Circus for a good show. He also has his logo on it in a new home episode
I hope we get to see more of Mr. Puzzles. I believe he will potentially redeemed himself and join the SMG4 crew. Sure did brainwashed them to do his bidding and tried to turn the world into a simulation/TV show, but it all because he never had any friends in his childhood/backstory and wanted make a great and amazing TV show to be entertained. I find him more sympathetic than the rest of the SMG4 villains.
Let's face it, sure, he imprisoned the whole cast- that's because he was well, as his song explains, lonely, and sought to be the best showrunner of all.
I always wondered why clench wasn't in the finally.
I think you will make an arc only about the adware, like what you did all the way back about the veritas arc, also WHERE IS THE ADVENT ARC??
We will meet Mr puzzles in wotfi 2024
Well if we see the puzzle vision icon on smg4s new video then he’s obviously returning
Vox will see Mr. Puzzles.
I hope Mr puzzles comes back soon
He may have got rid of the castle but he was probably sorry he was trying to help SMG4 right
I see Mr. Puzzles on the new main antagonist
The cracked star is like his fans
i think it was more of a donkey kong county style defeat
how i think mr puzzles will return: he might get possesed or become a part of some creature like the prototype from poppy playtime, maybe the new creature will grab mr puzzles powers and the tv, who knows, maybe he will be recruited by some smg4 traitor and reepiared.(btw mr puzzles is my favorite villian) or maybe he will return but still cracked or withered.
You know No Null I actually had a very creative/ interesting idea on puzzlevsion return and let me tell you it has to do with splatoon 3 side order memverse. Shan I explain in full detail of what it is?
right
I kind of want mr puzzles to become a part of the smg4 crew but I just want to see him return.
SMG4 stated that Mr Puzzles might return if we want to
WAIT
WAIT
WHAT WAS THAT AT THE END?
NO NULL MIGHT BE CANON?
YOU CAN FORCE THE ADVENT ARC INTO THE MAIN TIMELINE
I hope he return but with a new tv head like super tech one with power that make cartoon real but I mr.puzzle to come back when the safe is low in ideas
hey no null machroma created the meme in the thumbnail
I think Mr puzzles will be an aliy now because just like smg4 he wanted something, failed, and now is a good guy. Plus Mr puzzles wasn't even a villain, more like he was just broken.
Hopefully, Mr. Puzzles' return won't be too bad.
I feel like there more with his story cause the show grounds was made by Mr puzzles
What if they still in his tv head and mr puzzle fool them do think they escape so they wouldn't try to escape because they think that they around escape
Bring him back as a good guy or something that doesn’t end with him dieting
In my eyes SMG4 never intended for the Puzzlevision movie to be Mr Puzzle's last appearance. It was said that the saga had finally come to a close but I interpreted this as meaning the first of multiple sagas in the same way that WOTFI 2021 was the end of a saga but not the end of zero, as of course he returned in another arc later on, being Revelations. This may have been the end of the 'Puzzlevision arc/saga' but it doesn't mean it is the end of Mr Puzzle's as well. I think its more likely that SMG4 always intended to bring him back though I concede its possible they didn't necesarily have further plans for him or anticipate his popularity to this extent.
That being said, regardless which of these views you took, from this recent community post it's almost guaranteed that he will be making a return now that all of us have made it clear how much we loved Mr Puzzles as a character and how much more potential we think he has.
Very much looking forward to his return. (I think WOTFI 2024 is too soon though, ya'll need to be more patient lmao. It would be boring to bring him back again so quickly, give it another year of hints and buildup.)
Yes mr puzzles followed my steam account
Oh yeah, if Luigi stays as a meatmallet am going bald. I am going to shave my head I am very scared
I hope he comes back as a semi bad guy
I KNEW THEY WERENT DEAD
I feel the Puzzlevision arc is finish by that i mean the parody shows but Mr. Puzzles is not
The thumbnail killed me
Hey No Null, your discord link isn't working. May we get a new one please?
What is Mr puzzles forgot everything like amnesia became one of the good guys that's my theory
Guess yes
Okay, but what about the TV time leitmotif in the beginning of the episode 2 trailer for TADC that was recently released?
6:38
950 AND I LOVE MR PUZZLES
Uh NØ Null do you still want to her “my” theory of Mr. Puzzle return at least?
They said he MIGHT return
And it's based on feedback. And since the response has been overwhelmingly in favor of bringing him back, he will return at some point.
Remember dk country when after defeating k rool you get a fake credits thats what he is doing right now baiting us to think its all over when in reality he is only getting started
Mr. Puzzles will be forgiven i think or not who knows. I did like the chatacter. Not hating on the fact the poor guy just wanted to entertain people. But who knows what might happen. I think he will be out for revenge but heres a twist what if there was a new villian that had mr. Puzzles as a ally and servant. Also to be clear Mr. Puzzles is weak and probally will be begging to smg4 to join his crew or not besides Mr. Puzzles is a great character and when i get that plushie of him i will treasure the poor guy.
I don’t think that
Mr puzzles will get revenge because
Mario will probably ruin everything so
He won’t come back
Yeah know this made me think about something 🤔:
SMG4, to some context is no better than Mr. Puzzles, think about it.
SMG4 is an outsider through an USB, when he first came to the Mario Universe, he changed pretty much everything about it; including the established characters in that universe🤔.
Though SMG4 didn’t mean any ill will from changing the Mario Universe, he essentially did the same thing Mr. Puzzles did, only SMG4 WON! All the Nintendo characters we know in love have lost their true selfs years ago, but everyone is unaware or at least ignorant about it😅🤔.
Really Mr. Puzzles is doing the same thing but in the SMG4 universe, he is the villain, but in any other universe, he would be respected, for his ability to make a parody of anything and make it work 😮
Hey if SMG4 ever decides to retire from the main SMG4 channel his send of should be an ark where he realizes he is playing God, so he leaves the SMG4 universe to have everything normal again😅
I feel like morden smg4 just leaves a bunch of old characters out nowadays. It's like a ton of characters who would appear every few episodes have just be relegated to cameos every once in a while.
By this point, why not just kill of Meggy? She's a spotlight stealer.
Because 1, killing off a character just cus they appear more is a dumb move and or reason. And 2 she's been around since the early days, so killing her off wouldn't make sense.
@@writer6659 I mean, what is there left to do with her? She's had so much development that it feels like there's nothing left to do with her aside from Sunset Paradise season 2
@@writer6659 I mean, Meggy's death would feel more impactful than Melony's to be honest
I Thought he was dead
Lol, the thumbnail is mocking you for even thinking that