Coffee makers: How baseball put them in our homes
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- Bill describes how the household drip coffee maker evolved.
This was originally broadcast on August 29, 2000.
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Now the Fareinheit scale finally makes sense, exactly 200 F° to brew coffee!
Above 100 you can die below 0 and you can die. Seems like its pretty useful.
@@CaleTheNail
Celsius: Above 100 you can die, and below 0 you can die
Kelvin: Above 100 you can die, and below 0... well, you certainly wouldn’t be alive
@@bubbledoubletrouble Kelvin doesn‘t go below 0, that‘s why it‘s called absolute zero :P
@@rchaykovskiy woah that’s almost as if that was like the joke or something.
@@CaleTheNail Yuup. The scale is actually useful for human existence. Unlike Celsius, of which only a third of the scale is actually useful for regular life
This is my 2nd Keurig coffee maker of this model. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf The first worked fine for more than 2 years, and I could still get a decent cup of coffee out of it if I fiddled with it when I decided to replace it. The problem I had with my first unit was this: When attempting to brew a cup of coffee, the unit would either keep brewing until the coffee was undrinkable or it would not run long enough and the coffee produced was way too strong. I cleaned the unit as best I could but it did not help. So in the end it was just too much trouble to get a good cup of coffee out of it, so I decided to replace it with a new one, which has been working great since I unpacked it.
I've always enjoyed learning how everyday items work. Your videos are the best.
we have a cheap electric percolator which is amazing. the main problem with old percolators is that people put them on the stove and got them too got. the electric one hits the perfect temp and stops at the perfect time.
Yep, can confirm that 100%
My favorite coffee maker for my home is the Farberware electric percolator. Since it stops brewing when the coffee is made, the coffee is consistent, and in my case, never bitter if I use good ground coffee. The advantage in my eyes for an automatic drip coffee maker is the automatic shut off feature that many have. No risk of burning the pot as there can be with the percolator.
Since I live about 5000' above sea level, a percolator should make perfect coffee here at a temperature @ 200' Farenheit
Haha, reading these comments about preferring percolators or espresso's makes me feel so horribly lower class, with my £3 kettle and 50p jar of Value instant granules. Oh, that classic blend. Swept lovingly off of the factory floor.
haha, that's funny, just go get instant coffee and get it over with haha. Whatever works though I guess right?
I also find humor in your plebeian methods of caffeine extraction.
I too tittered like a school girl when I imagined you rummaging amongst the junk and plebs in ASDA or B&M Bargains buying your inferior cheap made in china kettle and your disgusting instant coffee granules. I feel all dirty just thinking about it, I'm going to have to make a lovely espresso with my expensive Kopi Luwak coffee and my Italian made Elektra espresso machine.
Epple Bradley - Haha, well bully for you!
@@97channel you are the reason for the term "cup of Joe". It's the drink of the every man, your average Joe.
I grew up with percolators. I wouldn't call the coffee it produced terrible but it also wasn't great. We didn't go out to eat very often but one of the reasons it was such a treat was that restaurants had Bunnomatic coffeemakers. After dinner we enjoyed a cup of rich smooth drip coffee with our dessert. I remember Joe DiMaggio's commercials and we soon got our first Mr. Coffee. I never felt that Mr. Coffee and imitators made as good coffee as restaurant brewed coffee. As an adult one of my first purchases was a Bunn Pouromatic home coffeemaker. This made coffee to my liking. I think the difference is speed. Mr. Coffee heated water and brewed in spurts while Bunn coffee makers kept the water hot all the time and brewed the entire pot quickly. I think the faster brew extracts the coffee flavor without producing the off flavors.
But I like strong coffee! My percolator makes it just right every time :) Taste will always be subjective, but I don't find drip less bitter in any way except it's weaker on all tastes.
Is that why its called a cup of "joe"?
Holy shit wow
I never thought of that before that us amazing
You blew my mind lol
hmmmm... www.snopes.com/language/eponyms/cupofjoe.asp
The coffee brand Martinson coffee claims that their founder Joe Martinson is where the phrase "Cup of Joe" came from, but I don't know how true that actually is.
martinson-coffee.com/joemartinson/Pages/ourstory.aspx
the end of the video saying "would you like to know more?" now i wanna watch starship troopers lol
I still keep a percolator that can make coffee on a gas range for when the electricity goes off during hurricanes and such.
Nice! No country for old grumpy men I guess.
I love percolating coffee its so strong and will wake you up for work on Monday after a hard living weekend with the boys
I love coffee form my percolator, stove top or electric
The Bunn machine shown couldn't brew 5 pots at once, it could keep 5 pots at serving temperature after they had been brewed one at a time.
edit: I just recalled that my aunt used a dripolator back in the 1950s. I don't know just how it functioned - I was quite young at the time - but there were drip coffee makers before Bunn and Mr. Coffee.
There indeed were ones going back to 1908 when they were first invented but they were neither common place nor affordable for businesses or in the home until Bunn and Mr. Coffee came around.
Percolator coffee ... yick.
Huh, I always liked percolator coffee. I use it more often than my drip machine. The only time I use my drip machine is if I'm in a rush
I'm with you, in my former work life we had a percolator and I've not tasted as good coffee since.
Both of you get the benefit of using a modern percolator. Try using that cowboy shit when your house might still be using wood in the stove.
@@justsomenerd8925 just means you're doing it all wrong
@@infinitelink what the fuck are you on about?
@@justsomenerd8925 He's saying you can make great percolator coffee under any conditions. Some of the best coffee I've had was made by my aunt with a percolator in embers while camping.
A percolator with the right espresso ground is amazing. A trick is to start with boiled water, that way it percolates immediately without heating up the rest of the percolator and coffee grounds. This will let the steam cool to the right brewing temperature referred to in the video.
i have to try this!
Bunn's 3 minute gravity brew design is the BEST! Automatic drip is still too hot! The design is simple, (which baffles me on the $100 price tag): A chamber is kept hot, the top chamber is empty. When the top chamber is filled with room temperature water, a hole at the bottom drains into the heated chamber. Plumbing directs the overflow from the heated chamber to a miniature shower head located over the coffee basket thus making the pot a 3rd and final chamber in this process.
PARTY TRICK: If you own a Bunn you can amaze your friends by placing your UNPLUGGED coffee maker on the living room coffee table. Put the coffee in the basket, pour the water in, and watch the astonished looks appear on your friend's faces when you pour them a steaming HOT cup of coffee that your UNPLUGGED coffee maker just produced. (You can't do a second pot)
The video on how coffeemakers work linked to at the end of the video is the original search that brought me to this channel.
In order to get something close to a decent cup of coffee, from a percolator, is to use coffee beans with almost no acid. Something that is not easy to find. I have had some which i tried in as percolator and was pleasantly surprised by the results. That same coffee is very humdrum when brewed by any other method.
It is the boiling of the coffee that makes makes it so bitter.
I prefer French press (cowboy coffee) or use individual paper filtres. Those Mr. Coffee style coffee makers are only good for the first cup. It quickly becomes "security guard" coffee, even with quality beans.
Drip coffee is okay, percolator coffee is better. I have an electric 12-cup percolator that I bought on Amazon about 6 months ago. First time I used it coffee was terrible; I tried different ratios of coffee/water and eventually found what works for me.
In my opinion, percolators make great coffee - just learn how to use it properly.
1:47 Mr. Coffee with his glowing red eyes is poised to destroy all percolators in existence.
Great video, but I must say- I don't know what the hell the were doing in the 60's, but my and several other people's percolators make the best cup of coffee I've had.
I think that has to to with the fact that the rest of the process involving a percolator has been vastly improved; percolators have better filters now, it's easier to make water just the right heat, the quality of coffee bean roasting has been improved. It's like how rifling in guns isn't as important as it was in the 1700s because we can mass produce perfectly straight barrels
Rifling is still as important as it was in 18th century or earlier. There are flechette slugs for smooth bored weapons, but they are still far behind in accuracy to bullets fired from rifled barrels.
Done right, not over brewed, percolator coffee can be good, if that is what you are used to. It is not so good for those not used to it. I am ancient enough that percolators were your only choice when I started drinking coffee. I remember liking it just fine.
Recently, i bought a cheap percolator is see what it tasted like now. I hated it, it was way too bitter, because I am no longer used to boiled coffee.
at the time, compared to what?
Agreed. I think brewing coffee in a plastic drip coffee maker is lousy and the percolator makes the whole house smell of freshly brewed coffee. If I don’t percolate I French press, but I prefer the percolator.
thanks for making great content available for free, we the plebs really appreciate it...
On Melittas webpage they clam to have made home drip coffee makesr since 1965 several years before Mr Coffee
And another German company came out with one back in the 50's:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigomat
I thought this was a beautiful story. So much Americana packed into one story. Great job.
I don't know who percolated that "horrible" cup for you, but percolators make a much smoother, richer cup than a drip machine. Drip machine became household items for TWO reasons:
1. Ease of use
2. Less mess
Interesting. I bought a $20 Mr Coffee coffee maker and it makes coffee better than than ones I've owned at four times the cost.
holy fuck. these comments.
never knew people were so particular about their method of ingesting liquid caffeine. what a joke
Because some people care about taste. If I just wanted caffeine, I'd drink energy drinks
Coffee is cheaper (if you brew it yourself) and has less calories (none if you drink it black) than energy drinks.
If you don't boof your beans don't fucking talk to me
Great presentation. I have to say the drip technique probably isn't the best method, but it certainly is the easier and tastier way to make coffee. I would think a French Press or vacuum pot would be a more full coffee.
You're forgetting the espresso machine, that makes the best coffee, although some integralists prefer the moka.
Daniele Menni That's not coffee lol.
Neceros Just so you know, all the world that is not u.s.a. think that your coffee is just dirty water, and they're right.
Daniele Menni Go ahead and point me a source to that. I don't believe you. You're just being prejudice.
Neceros Just ask yourself this: why starbucks is in every country except italy? We invented the espresso, the moka, we don't drink that "coffee". Yes, I tried it, it's diluted coffee, it has very little taste.
Percolated coffee is the shit and it makes a house smell great
I remember when we got our first Mr. Coffee as a little kid. My parents were in heaven since it was safe enough for a kid to make the coffee. We also had the Mr Coffee hot chocolate machine.
I still drink and make percolator coffee all the time!
I agree, my perk coffee is smooth as silk! The new chinese percolators get the coffee too hot. I use the old american made electric farberware. ;-)
@@jagboy69 I have a old red WhiteWestinghouse percolator.
The drip coffee maker was what inspired the design of the ink jet printer, and the ink jet printer lead to the invention of 3d printers. This makes the coffee maker one of the most important inventions of the modern world; where would we be without Joe DiMaggio promoting it?
I still think the invention of the bicycle is the most important invention. Without it, the wright brothers would not have invented powered flight.
The most important invention was Star Trek, because it inspired cell phones 😆
Lets see the ingenious bit of science by which a percolator moves the water to the top of the grounds. A 1930's Popular Science magazine had a brief description of a farmers ingenious method of cooking grain for his pigs, using a brake drum and pipe as the "percolator", which allowed the cook to proceed without burning or stirring. Never forgot that bit of ingenuity, and wonder if it was ever used in the food industry.
Just discovered this video. Thank you. Put in to context for me lots of things.
An important point: for some roast levels, boiling hot water may in fact be desirable. The major problem with percolators (and drip coffee makers too) is that they continue dumping a lot of heat into the finished coffee, which *does* burn it.
Filter coffee is vastly improved by turning the hot plate off more or less as soon as it's done. If you've brewed loads and you need to keep it hot, a thermos is a better option than a hot plate, provided it's clean and very well rinsed
It's been a long time, and I hardly drink coffee anymore, but I remember loving the smell and taste of perked coffee. But my taste preferences often don't follow the mainstream.
As a kid I used to ponder why Australian homes never really embraced coffee makers in our kitchens.
I first saw them on American tv shows and they seemed so different and alien to my eyes.
Now I understand why,
Maybe if we had had baseball…hmmm
Excellent bit of coffee history...
Interesting, but wasn’t the paper filter invented back in (around) 1910 in Germany? Why were they still using cloth filters in the sixties if paper is better?
@@c.ake8033 It absorbs the bitterness and carcinogens. Stainless steel mesh lets that all through. If you like it bitter and grainy, you're doing it right.
Another great video. It's like experiencing the book all over again. I'd like it if all of the commentaries could make it to video form if possible. I think it would be a great video series (just as it did for radio).
We have done a few more ... we'll fill out the place list a bit ...
***** I have calculated the time difference using a drip coffee maker makes to using a percolator, here: >8 (stove top) to 16(electrical) minutes to brew cofee with a percolator (preparation included) so an average of 12 mins each morning >4 to 6 minutes for coffee with drip coffee makers including preparation(average= 5min) So with a lifespan average of around 30,000 days (~82 years) that means you waste 145 days, 22 hours and 19 minutes (210,000 mins) of your life only brewing coffee more than with drip coffee makers because the time difference is 7 mins (12 minus 5) and 30,000 mornings of 7 minutes longer makes (7x 30,000) 210,000 minutes which equals 0.4 years.
That was delightful! I first knew Joe DiMaggio through these commercials.
This was originally aired on radio 20 years ago holy shit
I like french press myself, it's a bit of a pain in the ass though. Also, what about a vacuum brewer? I heard those make a mighty pot of brew as well, it just seems a little brash to call drip coffee making the best.
@@ohio If you watch a drip coffee machine, it fills the coffee to the top with water, before letting the water out. During the whole drip cycle the coffee is brewing.
@@stevenm8970 Uhm, no, the water just constantly drips out of them. Unless every single coffee machine that my family, and any friends, and everyone we've ever seen using a coffee machine owned had a faulty filter holder.
@@ohio Drip coffee IS pour-over coffee and vice-versa. How do you not understand this? What you just said is basically 'coffee is better when you pour the water over the grounds by hand than when a machine pours the water over the grounds'. Huh? Coffee makers aren't all exactly the same. If you've never found a good one, then you must not have looked very hard if at all.
It's gonna sound odd but I like perked coffee. I guess it's gots to do with my love of camping and that's how my dad made the coffee while camping. All coffee to me is bitter so it being "more bitter" via perking is something I can't tell.
Omg I haven’t seen this channel in years! Looking at a coffee percolator and I’m back lol
Man, if I ever run a large company, I have to make sure my PR guy has a legendary handshake. That's incredible.
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Electric percolators are awesome and the coffee is not bitter at all...
I love your videos. I only wish they were a little longer. You voice is so calming
Amazing! EngineerGuy, you are doing some great work. Never stop.
One mistake. The large Bunn machine seen in the video does not make 5 pots at a time. It holds up to 4 full pots hot while making the fifth.
Bunn is still the leader in restaurant-size coffee makers. One of their great advantages is that after you turn them on, they heat up a reservoir of water that is large enough to brew 2 pots at once. So that when you make a pot of coffee, you can make a second immediately, while it heats the water for the third pot, In essence, they can make pot-after pot continuously. Obviously, these machines are attached to a water supply, no dumping in water by the pot as most people do at home.
Bunn does make a restaurant machine that does not need to be plumbed in. It is the VP17, it’ll make two pots of coffee. I have one as my home coffee maker and love it.
The commercial machine I used would heat the water, then a pot of cold water was dumped in, it sank to the bottom making the hot water overflow over the grounds.
The most bitter coffee I ever had came from a freshly brewed drip coffee pot.If you’re getting bitter from the percolator you are definitely doing something wrong.
Just because the worst coffee you've had came from a drip doesn't mean that a percolator is better, it just means that the drip coffee you had was made terribly.
It's time for the percolator ☕️
I looked though comments, so sad to not see that line.
Thanks for sharing a 'Slice' of history with us today :-)
Little off topic, but the Mr. Coffee in "Space Balls" finally makes sense. I did not know it was a brand.
I remember those commercials. It shocks me now to realize how long ago they were on the air.
Why did I get this recommended? I don’t drink coffee or seen any coffee related video.
But you do now have a new subscriber
Come to think of it, you only see percolators in churches or convention halls and they're usually very large. The small versions are stuck back in your grandparents closets.
People arguing about coffee and I'm just sitting here drinking a cup of Twinings
So that's why Mr Radar never took off, it didn't have a face to sell ads.
The good ole St. Louis Cardinals! Responsible for so much happiness!!
I remember seeing those commercials as a kid. You sound old enough to have remembered the same commercials...don't you?
Is this why a cup of coffee is sometimes referred to as a "cup of Joe"?
🤔🤯
No, the first recorded use of the term "cup of Joe" was in 1930. It's slang for "drink of the every man," your average Joe.
@@justsomenerd8925 Hmm OK. I thought it was a twist from Java
Calling it a Cup of Joe was around long before Jolting Joe started his Mr. Coffee commercials.
Amazing commentary. Fascinating research. However, I can hardly agree that drip coffee makers are the best easy to make coffee. Give a French Press a try, and you'll thank me!
I used to work in a thrift store we got a-lot drip coffee makers, this video made me think of the time i had to test them
It is funny to see the American-Centric view of coffee.
Here in Australia, home espresso machines are more common than drip filter machines and, especially down here in Melbourne, we are mad for espresso coffee. (Seriously, our hardware stores have cafes in them, our plant nurseries have them, they are everywhere!)
It's just an entirely different type of coffee. Neither is right or wrong, but it rankles when a video such as this tries to suggest that drip filter coffee making is the best way to make a coffee.
No, it may be a _good_ way to make that style of coffee, but I'm pretty sure it's not even the best way to make a coffee of that sort, let alone the best coffee overall.
I don't think it was meant to be taken all that seriously when he said it was the best.
And it isn't really "American-Centric", drip filter machines are common in many many many countries.
I'm an American who has lived in Australia...and Australia has the best coffee hands down. It puts American coffee to shame. They are an espresso first country..and that's another history lesson of "why"...but they make good brewed coffee too. Better roasters, better beans, better preparation all round.
Clearly, this *one* video is an accurate representation of _every_ American's coffee preferences. Jeez, Australians are stupid.
(You see what I did there?)
As an American I'd like to say many of us like espresso. That's why Starbuck is a thing. People just dom't seem to have realized how easy things like espresso, or French press are. It's not tha that we all like bad coffee, it's that not many put in the effort to make good coffee.
Starbucks doesn't make coffee. They make crap. Bitter watery crap. Although the free Wi-Fi was useful when I was in Americcar
I take issue with the "best way to make coffee"! The simplest and best way IMO is the Stove Top. Similar to a peculator, but two chambers to prevent the coffee going around and around. They make perfect coffee.
I like to use a french press for coffee at home , and I do like drip if it is made right and not left sitting on the burner forever. Oddly, I still really like the coffee made in my Grandfather's old electric percolater. I can't explain why, but it is pretty smooth tasting.
Automatic percolators make great coffee because they don’t boil the water and they stop percolating the second the coffee is done. Stove top percolators are difficult to use well, that’s why most people don’t like percolated coffee. I use a stove top siphon, that thing makes excellent hot coffee easily, much better control.
14 years earlier and Bill still sounds the same!
Your explain things so great. I love your videos! I'm learning so much
I don't think drip coffee or percolators were a big thing in Australia or if they were they certainly aren't now, most households that brew coffee themselves have espresso machines but if not on literally every street in major cities you'll most likely find a cafe which serves proper espresso (this was the reason why Starbucks couldn't break into our market and ended up failing). I'm actually not even sure when was the last time I've seen a drip coffee maker, let alone use one
All of you coffee superfanboys need to chill out. When he says best he means most efficient and/or least expensive to produce, etc... Keep the context in mind people.... He's an engineer!!
Except for the section in which he describes the percolated coffee as “terrible” and “sludge”. I have little doubt surrounding his engineering prowess and certainly have no intention to belittle his knowledge but the supposition that percolators are inferior to drip coffee makers is too subjective for a scientific analysis.
The Mr. Coffee coffee machine designer is from Cleveland!? I had no idea! Just one more reason this city is awesome ^.^
Video is great, and I learnt one thing: Coffee means coffee in USA like football does not mean football! Drip coffee gives less flavour and more cafeine than actual coffee. On a "rest of the world" point of view there are 3 actual ways to make coffee:
Espresso machines
Bialetti's type of percolators
Press piston coffee makers.
And none of those does burn coffee.
simonsays80 lolz, american coffee is the worst coffee there is. I dont know what makes it, the brewer or the beans/grounds. Everyone talk bad about US coffee outside us and even americans does it. By american coffee i mean "home made generic joe doe", that is, brewers. Its weak and bitter and is not strong at all. Long live swedish/scandinavian traditions. And frech. But sometimes the quantity is better then the quality (espresso vs drip)
Bialetti ftw
If you hate the US so much please have nothing to do with it or it's inventions.
I was thinking the same thing. French press does amazing espresso
Well, that was fun :-) The video clearly shows how much fun you had digging up this information and how the turns of events surprised you.
And to the topic it self: Well, how many great videos and projects good finished just in time because of coffee? As engineer myself I can speak for projects: Many till now and many more to follow.
Percolators make MUCH better coffee. I use one to this day. The main difference is the water temperature. It gets much hotter in a percolator.
+tarstarkusz He explained in the video that their fault is the excessive heat, which makes coffee bitter
That issue could be solved with very simple engineering to let the water cool some more after it goes up the pipe before hitting the grounds.
+D8W2P4 I prefer the taste of coffee that has been percolated. Of course, I drink the terrible American brands of coffee (Folgers, Maxwell House etc).
I guessed it, but maybe just because I'm old enough to remember the TV commercials.
Baseball didn't bring the coffee maker into our homes but advertising did. Secondly, when you make coffee on the stove it is far superior than anything a drip machine can produce.
Curious that he didn't mention that by definition both percolators and drip coffee makers are percolation brewers
That's all well and good, but the best coffee with none of the usual negative attributes is made by boiling it in a pot for two to three minutes. "Cowboy Coffee". A percolator should work fine too, so long as it is able to boil for long enough... I love my percolators, and NO filters to buy and throw away!
"this is the best way to make coffee"
*hipsters get their pitchforks*
Hipsters don't know what pitchforks are nor their purpose.
@@moncorp1 you sir, have killed the population of California's three biggest cities.
Percolators make much better coffee than drip. Actually, anything is better than drip. OK, anything except instant.
No, you just like disgusting coffee and have no taste. There we go, fixed your massive laughable error.
Sports sponsorship is about the same level of genius as the device. Shifted a few disciplines over.
I knew it was Joe as soon as you connected coffee with baseball. I met Mr Coffee at Stapleton Airport in Denver once long ago.
I'm not sure, but is sounds like when he does the history of coffee over the picture of the Moccamaster (a very good drip machine) he's describing manual pour-over coffee.
I know you call yourself engineer guy, but you are also an excellent story teller.
hehe , here I am watching a history lesson about how a form of automated coffee making replaced another form of automated coffee making, in american homes, in the 70's , and everyone I know still uses a standard pot to make coffee :)
Was in interesting video, especially the bubble pump one at the end.
The Wigomat was the world's first electrical drip coffee maker and patented in 1954 in Germany.
Thank you, Mr. DiMaggio, faor the coffee I am about to enjoy.
you are an American James Burk. Your videos reminds me of the old BBC show Connections.
I've got an old Atomic stovetop coffee maker and that makes the best coffee ever. Better than cold brew...
Haha, it's actually rather odd to think that my family and I prefer percolators to drip. Then again, I suppose it all comes down to personal taste . . .
There is a noticeable improvement using the percolator
Never seen a percolator before. TIL what a percolator is. Thanks! :D
Mr Coffee.... SpaceBalls the movie comes to mind.. 🤣🤣.. Meanwhile, here is me. With a dessert spoon, I place one mildly heaped spoon of granulated coffee into a mug with two moderately heaped spoons of powdered full cream milk and nearly two dessert spoons of brown sugar. I mix it together and add hot water. But I know, many coffee drinkers are particular about their coffee! 😜
Your voice is so great to listen to!!
best video of you is the vhs vs betamax
Brewing a perked pot right now!
Shoutout for the Technivorm!
Hmm. Quite the omission is that drip coffee (filter coffee) is considered just about half a notch better than instant in most of the non-USA planet. american style coffee is considered inferior in many places. But yes, the ease of use ensures it wins the "best coffee" title in the USA. even though the purpose of coffee is to be like coffee, not to be made before you need/want it.
Having worked in Hospitality and having been trained by experts in the field of coffee I would say your assumptions are invalid. These said experts were from many countries and all agree with what I said about "filter coffee". Having then used this education in the role of barista (person who makes coffee espresso style) among others, I found that given the choice 85% of customers (from around the world) also agree. I declare my "opinion" educated, tested and accurate. I don't actually care if anyone agrees with me or not about coffee. Just like I don't care what anyone thinks of me personally, especially from across the world via the web........
+Graceymay74 Thing is, that does not say anything about what is objectively better, only what is currently in fashion in various parts of the world. Every region has a different 'normalized' pallet. Prefered ratios of the various fundamental flavors vary by culture, and america has different norms than europe or other post colonial regions.
+neeneko I would agree with what you have said. All I've tried to point out is that having experienced points of views from different cultures, the consensus I have witnessed is that filter coffee lags behind in popularity and percieved value to the customer. after googling cafe's from Europe, the US and elsewhere I have found espresso style coffees generally are a premium product which customers tend to be willing to pay more for..... But yes, you're right about cultural pallet differences etc.
+Mike Roberts Prove means to test, so yes flavour can be tested scientifically. results will vary depending on many factors. do you know how to science? I'm no scientist however I understand you can "test" flavour perception, many coffee producing companies do so and spend big doing so. this is how they work out which blend goes to what region...... (yes, you get this insight when you have had to be educated about the job at hand)..... I feel quite comfortable with my "opinion" on coffee having had a lot of experience and training, however I wouldn't give you an opinion of the life-cycle of a patagonian toothfish because I don't know squat about it.....
+Mike Roberts well said. stupid comment but well articulated.....