One problem the .41 magnum faced was that the heavy hunting load was introduced first. This pretty much killed police interest in the cartridge and departments that had adopted it, quickly had to replace it with something else.
HSM makes a cowboy action 44 mag that's loaded to about 950fps that I believe was a cast 240gr swc. HSM also makes their hard cast a bit softer than a lot of other companies. They make theirs at 15 brinell hardness, so if you push them a bit, they'll hold together well but they'll also expand a bit.
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS PLOWBOY.I AM ALSO A BIG FAN OF SINGLE ACTIONS.I HAVE BEEN CARRYING A SUPER BLACKHAWK 44 MAG SINCE 2009 99.9 PERCENT OF THE TIME.PICKED UP A SUPERWRANGLER IN MAY AND A THREE SCREW 357 BLACKHAWK ON DEC.22.ALL ARE LOADED WITH MAGNUM AMMO.
Enjoy your videos. Thanks. Thinking of PD’s it probably wasn’t legality they were thinking about but the cost of ammo. Most PD’s in the Revolver era were using 38 special and later +P’s in that loading. Training, ammo cost and recoil management were probably the main drivers.
As an LEO I carried a SW Model 10 (38 Special)from 1977 to 1993 when we went to 9mm. I definitely did not know much about guns then wondering why the 9mm was more powerful than a 38 as the case of the 9mm was so much smaller:) Thanks!
I think gun weight had a lot to do with it. Depending on when and where and what department. Even into the 90's you might have to buy your on firearms and I know one small police department your on ammo to. The sheriff department would give you a list of approved manufacturers and calibers you bought what you wanted. And the small pd as far as ammo went any American manufacturers hollow point. But I am going on first year of that pd and there was 4 of use if you counted the Cheif. It had been a community then a unincorporated town for 50 years or so then they became the county's smallest city in the mid 90's. 38, 357mag, 9mm and 45acp were the first 4 duty handguns. Then 2 went with the 10mm with full power loads
Several years ago handloader magazine did severeal in depth articles on hand loads and bullet design and handguns on the 41 mag and 41 special. It definitely one that should have done better in the popular category. Now you're making me want one. I also enjoy the n frame for the same reasons as you. And if you find an older one I don't normally change out the springs to improve things it's usually really good how it left the factory
Elmer and his boys wanted a 40 cal revolver cartridge using a 200 gr bullet at 900 fps. This in a lightweight revolver that was smaller than an N Frame. S&W did not want to make a smaller frame so came out with it in the N frame. The load for the 41 Magnum meant for the police was a 210 gr lead SWC that went about 800 fps from a 4 inch and leaded the barrel badly. My first 41 Mag was a 6 in M57. I bought a couple of boxes of the Police Load and was very disappointed. Fired them up for the brass. The 210 gr jacketed ammo was fine. The harder cast bullets worked fine in my handloads. I dont think the 41 Special was ever made in a factory revolver. Conversions were made with the Ruger Security Six and the K frame S&W IIRC. Made for a nice revolver but very expensive. And you had to handload it. At the time, I had a 5 inch Model 1950 S&W in 44 Special. I didnt see the need for the 41 Special. Good video and a bit of history.
Mr. plowboysghost- I own a .41 Special built from a .357 Blackhawk, and I am glad to learn that factory loads may be becoming available. The revolver has the advantage of being lighter and handier than Super Blackhawks and N-frame Smith & Wessons while still firing a powerful round, so hopefully the .41 Special will catch on more. Thanks for your video. Bob
I'll be curious to see what you think of the .41 special once you've shot it. I have a hankering for a .41 mag single action. Keeping an eye out for one. That cartridge interests me.
I'll try to find the best load for carry in Special cases...but I may stay with Magnums for that. I'll use Specials, either way, for something. I'm looking for a local deal on a Blackhawk in .41 Mag, myself..to add to what I have. Not trading my Model 57 off.
I like it. Mr plowboysghost now has a “special power” secretly known as “Wildcat Wonder” or simply .41 Special, LOL. Looks like you have made a sound investment in those .41 Special rounds with quality Starline brass for reloads. Enjoy and Happy New Year sir!
I have a couple 41 spl. Revolvers first is a old model ruger single six 5 shot conversion done by John Gallagher . Second is a new model stainless 5 shot conversion by Allan Horton at singleactionservices. Firing a 215 gr. lswc over 6 grs. Unique. Starline 41 spl. Brass. Great pack'in pistols.!!!
Those are very interesting. i have found 44 special with a 200 grainer. Doing 1000 fps is a great round, but is pushing it a bit for some 44 special guns..... Now Those ballistics in a 41 mag...... hmmmm that sounds very promising for a defensive load.
I was on backorder for .41 Spl from Starline earlier this year cause they didn't have .41 Mag. After a couple months of waiting they had .41 Mag available so I bought that and I left the .41 Spl on backorder and to this day it still says processing on my order for the .41 Spl. lol
@@plowboysghost I just looked on my acct with them and I had ordered the .41 Spl on 9-9-22 and it still says processing on it. Somebody dropped the ball and didn't cancel my backorder. 😄
@@plowboysghost Are you going to post a video of you shooting the .41 Special? I sure hope so, 😁 Did you see that Starline has load data for the .41 Spl?
The envisioned police load was a 210 grain lead swc@900fps. Remington didn't think they would make enough money on this, hence the 210jhp @ 1300 from a 4inch barrel. This was 1964, there was no l frame, or gp100; and the guns were not that easy to find even then. I'd carry a model 57 with the police load in town, and the magnum load when assigned to the interstate. Had a handload of a Lee 195 grain lead hollowpoint @ about 1050fps that would expand and was very accurate. Winchester also had a 175g slivertip at one time.
It would be interesting to test deep seating SWC’s and crimping over the front driving band over lighter charges of powder to increase efficiency without having to use your “special” brass. It’s all about pressure.
Interesting find. I agree with you (based solely on what I have read) that the cartridge would or could have enjoyed a lot more success if it occupied the niche between 357 and 44 instead of coming out as a lesser version of 44. Will be interested in what you find regarding fps and ftl/bs. Maybe a local gun enthusiast can lend you a chrono since you are not going to become a ballistician? Wouldn't take but an afternoon to get some numbers.
Bought my 1st revolver in 1978 model 14- 38 target masterpiece. My Second the following year, Model 57 [no dash] S&W 41 Rem Mag, shot target, and deer with the revolver, 45 years later the revolver still sits in my gun room, and i might add it's still like new, with a bit of holster wear. love that gun!
I like 41 colt. Its difficult to find,and star line has had a waiting list thats over 5 years in the going now. 41mag is a fantastic cartridge. I wonder if that 41 special is close to 41 colt in performance?
Plowboy, I used to own a Smith & Wesson 58. I loved the gun but the HKS speedloader didnt give me the confidence to do a speedload like I could with my 581 with Safariland Comp II speed loaders. Like a fool I sold my 58. Now I see Five Star makes a new speed loader for .41 Magnum 6 shot Smiths. If you ever do a review and comparison of these two speedloaders on your 57 I would definitely be interested and maybe you would too.
Yep you are correct. If s&w would have made an L frame in the caliber 41 SPL it would have been a big hit for sure and yeah s&w made a night gaurd model in 41 mag
yup. i am om the fence with 41, i got a few 44 mags and a 44 GP100. i own a bunch of 38s and a single 357 GP100 but likely will never load 357 in it, got 100's of brass and spare dies to set. but, then we have 10mm in a revolver which can run in a bunch of auto's. with your unique issue of 41 special brass, how long will that 50 last ? 6 reloads each ? i was itching for a 44-40 but brass is unicorn poop to find, i got lucky and found 43 bits of brass from a local 'everything' discount store, think i paid like $10. but with 44-40 and that thin neck, yikes, i dread crushing cases, then i have a 500 dollar paper weight. as i reload everything, not sure if i'd get anything extra from a 41 i cant reload a 44 to do, i can down-load 44 to powder puff 38s. but, i love 44 special due to historical use and the fact its not a magnum, same way i love hot loading 38s in my taurus m82 SS4 (its a tank). so maybe if a 41 hits my LGS, maybe it'll end up in my truck home. i think you need to do another video of the 41 and more why is it the best thing since sliced bread. i dont hunt with handguns, so from a reloader standpoint and historical collector etcetc, from your standpoint, still a 'different' shooting experience than 44 ?
The 1st 41 magnum I ever saw was in the mid 80s when I was a teenager! It was owned by a security guard we all called "Pop"! He carried a 6 inch S&W! I always heard the 41 mag was the ultimate police firearm but the "wonder nines" came along and power got traded for bullet count! I remember picking a Glock 17 9mm in the early 90s over a 40 cal because I thought the 40 was going to be the new 41 mag 😂! I own two 41 mags now in Ruger Blackhawk and Charter Arms Bull Pug and love them!
one thing I believ that hurt the 41 magnum was there was no light load. the 357 had the 38, the 44 had the 44 special while the 41 had nothing. I have a S&W model 57 and it is my woods gun. I don't care what critter I run into I know the 41 will handle it. Love your videos on the 41 it is one very underrated cartridge.
I had 500 of the first run of Starline .41 Special brass. Won a few sucker bets at the gun club from members who told me there was no such thing as a .41 Special.
@@plowboysghost Thanx friend! I'm well stocked. Got 12 .41 mag revolvers to feed! Those .41 Specials sure make my S&W 58 more pleasant. Some ranges do not allow any rounds headstamped MAGNUM.
Taurus had the .41 Magnum in a 4 inch ported Titanium frame and barrel shroud. It is painful to shoot with full magnum loads, especially with those crappy "ribber" grips. I have Houges on mine and load .41 special loads for it. Trimmed down .41 brass. It is most pleasant to shoot with the .41 Special rounds, especially when loaded with the 170 grain bullet.
If you look at what Elmer Keith proposed, he wanted to make the .41 magnum a police/ self defense handgun with low velocity lead bullets and a hunting handgun with higher power "magnum" loads driving jacketed bullets. Personally, I'd love to see more bullet choices for a ,41 caliber cartridge, particularly a jacketed soft point.
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Agree completely, if they had made a .41 special cartridge (and called it .41 special ) and Smith made a .41 special L frame (and called it .41special), it would have been a popular police handgun back in the day. Kieth and Jordan were right. I was wondering about fitting 6 .41 caliber chambers in a cylinder that would fit an L frame, seems like a tight squeeze..
I think it was a few years ago, Fourtunecookie45LC was loading 41 Special and was talking about the efficacy with lighter loads. Speaking of buying factory ammo those prices make me sick. I can reload 50 of my hand cast 640gr HP bullets for my 500 S&W cheaper than I can buy a box of 50 9mm lugers.
The differences between .41 Special and .41 Mag seem to be about the same as the difference between original load 10mm and .40 S&W. .41 Special may be similar to .40 S&W power in this loading (albeit with a bigger diameter/heavier bullet in the .41 ), but 10mm doesn't come close to .41 Magnum...unless you're talking the weakest .41 Mag vs. the very hottest 10mm. When loaded to the same relative level of their capabilities, .41 Magnum is way ahead of 10mm...and the margin gets wider as power levels go up. 10mm, ballistically, is closer to .357 Magnum power, and .41 Magnum is closer to .44 Magnum.
Reed's Ammo has had several variations of the .41 Special since shortly after Starline added .41 Special to their regular production. About 20 years ago a Gary Peak contracted with Starline for 55k .41 Special cases...he also had to pay for the headstamp die....he is the one everyone should thank for the .41 Special coming into the Starline lineup. Th .41 Special would be perfect for the Ruger GP-100, Colt Python and L-frame Smiths...unfortunately until one of the ammo companies sponsors it to SAAMI it will remain a "wildcat"... Ruger Backhawk S&W 57 Classic Freedom Arms 97 and 83 Henry leverguns ...that is it for new guns.
My main 41 Special Load is a 215 grain LSWC from Missouri Bullet and 6 grains of Unique. My 41 Magnum loads are quite a bit hotter. I got interested in the 41 Special back years ago when I started reading the works of guy named Rocky Raab. I've owned a 41 Magnum Blackhawk since at least the early 80s.
There's a video on UA-cam where a guy was deer hunting successfully with (his very beautiful I might add!!!) a Smith and Wesson model 57 41 mag!!! It worked a charm!!! His channel is KRAL?!! He certainly has a beautiful revolver, and his handgun hunting content is first rate!!! Sorry for the plug Plowman, I don't even know the guy, but I thought that you'd personally, might like his stuff!!!
@@plowboysghost ok it's official!!! You're even more awesome than I thought!!! I would love to see you do a 41 mag deer hunting video!!! I only have 44 mag as I don't currently have a reloading set-up. Went down the road with everything else when I became disabled and had spinal surgery. And honestly I am being serious about how cool I think you are, no smoke being blown here my friend!!! I have never been a person that has ever been into celebrities, but I am a big fan of yours!!! I don't care about those Hollywood types, but spending a day with guys like you is what makes life fun!!! My dad and uncles are just like you and so your channel resonates with me!!!
@@Wildwestwrangler That us exceedingly kind and generous of you. Thank you. I aim to hunt pretty much exclusively with .41 Magnum, come mid November. I'm trying to decide on whether or not to scope the new 6.5" .41 BH
@@plowboysghost I am so looking forward to that 41 mag hunting video!!! I think that 41 BH would be a laser in the accuracy department with a scope!!! I saw a guy just the other day that had a 7.5 inch barrel 41 BH that had a scope on his, and he was laying down 100 yard groups that would rival any rifle!!! He literally shot a 1 inch and 1.25 inch groups!!! Those were the only groups I watched him shoot, and I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it myself!!! I have seen people do that at 50 yards, and do 3 inch groups at 100 yards with a pistol, but never push 1 inch at 100 yards with a normal wheel gun. He had a Leupold 2x6 on his gun.
I agree. Police have always overestimated the skill of the rank and file. The FBI failed miserably with the 10mm. The Border Patrol suffered through the .40S&W for over 20 years.
problem is.... No such thing as a 41 spl firearm. At this point I can almost hear the outrage!. 'But you can shoot em in 41 mag guns!!!" you can ... not me. Let me explain. I don't shoot 38 spl in my .357 guns I do not shoot 44 spl in my 44 mag guns I don't see the point I do handload tho. I make 2 levels for each of these guns in both those calibers. one about 'spl' +P level You are correct that the 'N' Frame is a pretty useable size but.... There would be nothing to stop making a K frame in 41 spl... even an 'L" frame with a shorter cylinder. Without a dedicated gun to shoot em in there really is no point to a 41 spl unless you just like that ugly ring around the chamber in your 41 mag guns. But....If memory serves... The ammo makers of the time did what I do in that they made a 'police load' in 41 mag It was almost a duplicate of the load you are showing of a 210 lead bullet at around 950fps. in 41 mag brass... Sorta like 45 Colt 'cowboy loads' but....my 45 acp loads are 200 grain cast and coated SWC bullets at +/- 1000 fps And the 45 acp is a very efficient case. The other problem was that the police were transitioning to semi autos and of course the first one cops went to was the 1911 in 45 acp There really wasn't a lot else out there at the time. And the 10 round or less magazine ban later did nothing but make the 1911 more popular. soooo... in..........my..........opinion without a smaller lighter dedicated 41 special handgun? that short case load was doomed
One problem the .41 magnum faced was that the heavy hunting load was introduced first. This pretty much killed police interest in the cartridge and departments that had adopted it, quickly had to replace it with something else.
Yep 👍
Hamilton Bowen used to convert 686/586 to 41 mag. Sadly he doesn’t work on S&W anymore
I didn't even know .41 special existed.
Interesting round.
HSM does some really Great stuff!
Best Wishes from Montana! M.H.
Thank you.
Cool Deal. I didn't know that the .41 Special Cartridge existed. Always learn when I watch your videos, Mr. Plowboy.
Thanks, James.
HSM makes a cowboy action 44 mag that's loaded to about 950fps that I believe was a cast 240gr swc. HSM also makes their hard cast a bit softer than a lot of other companies. They make theirs at 15 brinell hardness, so if you push them a bit, they'll hold together well but they'll also expand a bit.
I agree on wanting the headstamp to actually match the cartridge.
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@@plowboysghost doin' that right now.
I always enjoyed the 41 mag. It wasn't horrible on recoil and it produced a lot of power.
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Underrated cartridge, to be sure
The 41 magnum is a great caliber. Before I reloaded I had a Blackhawk in 41 mag but traded it. Would love to pick up another some day.
I think so, too
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS PLOWBOY.I AM ALSO A BIG FAN OF SINGLE ACTIONS.I HAVE BEEN CARRYING A SUPER BLACKHAWK 44 MAG SINCE 2009 99.9 PERCENT OF THE TIME.PICKED UP A SUPERWRANGLER IN MAY AND A THREE SCREW 357 BLACKHAWK ON DEC.22.ALL ARE LOADED WITH MAGNUM AMMO.
Sweet. Thanks!
Nice find on those cartridges, and I agree that an N frame is a great carrying revolver.
Enjoy your videos. Thanks. Thinking of PD’s it probably wasn’t legality they were thinking about but the cost of ammo. Most PD’s in the Revolver era were using 38 special and later +P’s in that loading. Training, ammo cost and recoil management were probably the main drivers.
Yeah, I had intended to go into the cost aspect and it slipped my mind.
Thanks!
As an LEO I carried a SW Model 10 (38 Special)from 1977 to 1993 when we went to 9mm. I definitely did not know much about guns then wondering why the 9mm was more powerful than a 38 as the case of the 9mm was so much smaller:) Thanks!
I think gun weight had a lot to do with it.
Depending on when and where and what department.
Even into the 90's you might have to buy your on firearms and I know one small police department your on ammo to.
The sheriff department would give you a list of approved manufacturers and calibers you bought what you wanted.
And the small pd as far as ammo went any American manufacturers hollow point.
But I am going on first year of that pd and there was 4 of use if you counted the Cheif. It had been a community then a unincorporated town for 50 years or so then they became the county's smallest city in the mid 90's.
38, 357mag, 9mm and 45acp were the first 4 duty handguns. Then 2 went with the 10mm with full power loads
Several years ago handloader magazine did severeal in depth articles on hand loads and bullet design and handguns on the 41 mag and 41 special. It definitely one that should have done better in the popular category. Now you're making me want one. I also enjoy the n frame for the same reasons as you. And if you find an older one I don't normally change out the springs to improve things it's usually really good how it left the factory
I'm definitely leaving the springs in my no dash 57 alone. It's smooth and single action is crisp and very light. I'm not messing with it 😁👍
Elmer and his boys wanted a 40 cal revolver cartridge using a 200 gr bullet at 900 fps. This in a lightweight revolver that was smaller than an N Frame. S&W did not want to make a smaller frame so came out with it in the N frame. The load for the 41 Magnum meant for the police was a 210 gr lead SWC that went about 800 fps from a 4 inch and leaded the barrel badly. My first 41 Mag was a 6 in M57. I bought a couple of boxes of the Police Load and was very disappointed. Fired them up for the brass. The 210 gr jacketed ammo was fine. The harder cast bullets worked fine in my handloads.
I dont think the 41 Special was ever made in a factory revolver. Conversions were made with the Ruger Security Six and the K frame S&W IIRC. Made for a nice revolver but very expensive. And you had to handload it. At the time, I had a 5 inch Model 1950 S&W in 44 Special. I didnt see the need for the 41 Special.
Good video and a bit of history.
Great Video PlowBoy! .41 Special and .41 Mag is two I have never seen before. Sounds interesting though.
I've been interested in .41 Mag for years, but REALLY got interested in it early 2023 when I got this Model 57.
@@plowboysghost I need to stay away then. I don’t need another caliber right now. Got enough irons in the ole fire as it is. 🤣
Both good calibers, 41 mag has been a favorite for yrs.
Happy New Years to you and yours😎
Thanks..and Happy New Year to you/ y'all.
Mr. plowboysghost- I own a .41 Special built from a .357 Blackhawk, and I am glad to learn that factory loads may be becoming available. The revolver has the advantage of being lighter and handier than Super Blackhawks and N-frame Smith & Wessons while still firing a powerful round, so hopefully the .41 Special will catch on more. Thanks for your video. Bob
Check out Underwood Ammo for some 41 mag and get it shipped to your house. And yes it's factory ammo.
My uncle used to carry a 41 magnum in a S&W revolver back in the early 70’s.
I like your hang out too.
I hang out in my garage a lot in the summer.
I've been carrying mine a bit, too
I'll be curious to see what you think of the .41 special once you've shot it. I have a hankering for a .41 mag single action. Keeping an eye out for one. That cartridge interests me.
I'll try to find the best load for carry in Special cases...but I may stay with Magnums for that. I'll use Specials, either way, for something.
I'm looking for a local deal on a Blackhawk in .41 Mag, myself..to add to what I have. Not trading my Model 57 off.
I like it. Mr plowboysghost now has a “special power” secretly known as “Wildcat Wonder” or simply .41 Special, LOL. Looks like you have made a sound investment in those .41 Special rounds with quality Starline brass for reloads. Enjoy and Happy New Year sir!
Thank you, sir...and Happy New Year to you.🤠🍻
I have a couple 41 spl. Revolvers first is a old model ruger single six 5 shot conversion done by John Gallagher . Second is a new model stainless 5 shot conversion by Allan Horton at singleactionservices. Firing a 215 gr. lswc over 6 grs. Unique. Starline 41 spl. Brass. Great pack'in pistols.!!!
Those are very interesting. i have found 44 special with a 200 grainer. Doing 1000 fps is a great round, but is pushing it a bit for some 44 special guns..... Now Those ballistics in a 41 mag...... hmmmm that sounds very promising for a defensive load.
I think there's a lot of potential in both Magnum and Special form.
I was on backorder for .41 Spl from Starline earlier this year cause they didn't have .41 Mag. After a couple months of waiting they had .41 Mag available so I bought that and I left the .41 Spl on backorder and to this day it still says processing on my order for the .41 Spl. lol
Says No Backorder on .41 Special, now.
@@plowboysghost I just looked on my acct with them and I had ordered the .41 Spl on 9-9-22 and it still says processing on it. Somebody dropped the ball and didn't cancel my backorder. 😄
@@bluescatreimer Sure looks that way.
@@plowboysghost Are you going to post a video of you shooting the .41 Special? I sure hope so, 😁 Did you see that Starline has load data for the .41 Spl?
Do you need 41 special dies, or can you use 41 magnum?
The envisioned police load was a 210 grain lead swc@900fps. Remington didn't think they would make enough money on this, hence the 210jhp @ 1300 from a 4inch barrel. This was 1964, there was no l frame, or gp100; and the guns were not that easy to find even then. I'd carry a model 57 with the police load in town, and the magnum load when assigned to the interstate. Had a handload of a Lee 195 grain lead hollowpoint @ about 1050fps that would expand and was very accurate. Winchester also had a 175g slivertip at one time.
It would be interesting to test deep seating SWC’s and crimping over the front driving band over lighter charges of powder to increase efficiency without having to use your “special” brass. It’s all about pressure.
It would, indeed.
you are right sir, love mine
Thank you.
I love HSM ammo.
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Interesting find. I agree with you (based solely on what I have read) that the cartridge would or could have enjoyed a lot more success if it occupied the niche between 357 and 44 instead of coming out as a lesser version of 44. Will be interested in what you find regarding fps and ftl/bs. Maybe a local gun enthusiast can lend you a chrono since you are not going to become a ballistician? Wouldn't take but an afternoon to get some numbers.
I've been thinking on buying a ProChrono LTD just to have one to play with, anyway.
Thanks!
Bought my 1st revolver in 1978 model 14- 38 target masterpiece. My Second the following year, Model 57 [no dash] S&W 41 Rem Mag, shot target, and deer with the revolver, 45 years later the revolver still sits in my gun room, and i might add it's still like new, with a bit of holster wear. love that gun!
Awesome. Thanks!
I like 41 colt. Its difficult to find,and star line has had a waiting list thats over 5 years in the going now. 41mag is a fantastic cartridge. I wonder if that 41 special is close to 41 colt in performance?
Plowboy, I used to own a Smith & Wesson 58. I loved the gun but the HKS speedloader didnt give me the confidence to do a speedload like I could with my 581 with Safariland Comp II speed loaders. Like a fool I sold my 58. Now I see Five Star makes a new speed loader for .41 Magnum 6 shot Smiths. If you ever do a review and comparison of these two speedloaders on your 57 I would definitely be interested and maybe you would too.
Yep you are correct. If s&w would have made an L frame in the caliber 41 SPL it would have been a big hit for sure and yeah s&w made a night gaurd model in 41 mag
Night Guard...that was it. Thanks 👍
Great info on the .41 Special. Keep'em coming!!
yup. i am om the fence with 41, i got a few 44 mags and a 44 GP100. i own a bunch of 38s and a single 357 GP100 but likely will never load 357 in it, got 100's of brass and spare dies to set. but, then we have 10mm in a revolver which can run in a bunch of auto's. with your unique issue of 41 special brass, how long will that 50 last ? 6 reloads each ? i was itching for a 44-40 but brass is unicorn poop to find, i got lucky and found 43 bits of brass from a local 'everything' discount store, think i paid like $10. but with 44-40 and that thin neck, yikes, i dread crushing cases, then i have a 500 dollar paper weight. as i reload everything, not sure if i'd get anything extra from a 41 i cant reload a 44 to do, i can down-load 44 to powder puff 38s. but, i love 44 special due to historical use and the fact its not a magnum, same way i love hot loading 38s in my taurus m82 SS4 (its a tank). so maybe if a 41 hits my LGS, maybe it'll end up in my truck home. i think you need to do another video of the 41 and more why is it the best thing since sliced bread. i dont hunt with handguns, so from a reloader standpoint and historical collector etcetc, from your standpoint, still a 'different' shooting experience than 44 ?
this is the first Time I've ever heard of 41 Special.
Being a wildcat cartridge.there aren't many videos on it. FortuneCookie45LC has done several, years ago.
The 1st 41 magnum I ever saw was in the mid 80s when I was a teenager! It was owned by a security guard we all called "Pop"! He carried a 6 inch S&W! I always heard the 41 mag was the ultimate police firearm but the "wonder nines" came along and power got traded for bullet count! I remember picking a Glock 17 9mm in the early 90s over a 40 cal because I thought the 40 was going to be the new 41 mag 😂! I own two 41 mags now in Ruger Blackhawk and Charter Arms Bull Pug and love them!
one thing I believ that hurt the 41 magnum was there was no light load. the 357 had the 38, the 44 had the 44 special while the 41 had nothing. I have a S&W model 57 and it is my woods gun. I don't care what critter I run into I know the 41 will handle it. Love your videos on the 41 it is one very underrated cartridge.
I had 500 of the first run of Starline .41 Special brass. Won a few sucker bets at the gun club from members who told me there was no such thing as a .41 Special.
@@pb68slab18 I bet you did😁 Starline has both .41 Mag and .41 Special brass available right now.
@@plowboysghost Thanx friend! I'm well stocked. Got 12 .41 mag revolvers to feed! Those .41 Specials sure make my S&W 58 more pleasant. Some ranges do not allow any rounds headstamped MAGNUM.
@@pb68slab18 You are well outfitted, then.🍻
Taurus had the .41 Magnum in a 4 inch ported Titanium frame and barrel shroud. It is painful to shoot with full magnum loads, especially with those crappy "ribber" grips. I have Houges on mine and load .41 special loads for it. Trimmed down .41 brass. It is most pleasant to shoot with the .41 Special rounds, especially when loaded with the 170 grain bullet.
@@michaelsarkisian1047 Awesome.
If you look at what Elmer Keith proposed, he wanted to make the .41 magnum a police/ self defense handgun with low velocity lead bullets and a hunting handgun with higher power "magnum" loads driving jacketed bullets. Personally, I'd love to see more bullet choices for a ,41 caliber cartridge, particularly a jacketed soft point.
Bulk Reloading Supplies has41 special brass in stock at25.61 per 100. 👍🏻
Thanks. Have you ordered from them before or know anyone who has?
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Agree completely, if they had made a .41 special cartridge (and called it .41 special ) and Smith made a .41 special L frame (and called it .41special), it would have been a popular police handgun back in the day. Kieth and Jordan were right. I was wondering about fitting 6 .41 caliber chambers in a cylinder that would fit an L frame, seems like a tight squeeze..
I think it was a few years ago, Fourtunecookie45LC was loading 41 Special and was talking about the efficacy with lighter loads. Speaking of buying factory ammo those prices make me sick. I can reload 50 of my hand cast 640gr HP bullets for my 500 S&W cheaper than I can buy a box of 50 9mm lugers.
Yep I've watched his videos on a lot of things including.41 Mag and Special.
I know what you mean about the cost
Midway has Starline 41 Special brass, now, finally, as of 12/20/24. I got 200 cases, on sale for 19 cents/case three days ago.
Starline has properly headstamped .41 Special brass. (whoops, you know that). I bought 500 a couple years ago, sad to see it's unavailable now.
@@drewnelson3149 Yep
So does your shop still have those other 2 boxes for sale?
He does.
Hit me up at plowboysghost at yahoo . com if you want the contact info for the dealer.
41 magnum is great just as good as 44 magnum not as harsh recoil as 44 magnum I've seen mild 41 magnum factory loads.
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THE 41 POLICE LOAD 210GR LEAD. AT 950FPS FROM 4INCH MONEL 58. POLICE DEPT DID NOT LIKE PRICE N FRAME VS A 38
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The 41 colt load was a 200 grain bullet at 900 fps. Elmer Keith talks about the 41 colt in some of his books.
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Check out the underwood ammo 41 mag. They typically load hotter than HSM and their stuff is within saami spec.
41spc,41mag = 40s&w,10mm, yes, no?? Please advise!!
The differences between .41 Special and .41 Mag seem to be about the same as the difference between original load 10mm and .40 S&W.
.41 Special may be similar to .40 S&W power in this loading (albeit with a bigger diameter/heavier bullet in the .41 ), but 10mm doesn't come close to .41 Magnum...unless you're talking the weakest .41 Mag vs. the very hottest 10mm.
When loaded to the same relative level of their capabilities, .41 Magnum is way ahead of 10mm...and the margin gets wider as power levels go up.
10mm, ballistically, is closer to .357 Magnum power, and .41 Magnum is closer to .44 Magnum.
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Heck yeah!
41 mag- spc police load was not supposed to fall between .357 -44 mag . it was supposed to = .357 with less muzzle blast
You know...that sounds right to me, too. Memory and I are having disagreements, lately. Thanks!
Let's keep the topic alive and perhaps it will get more attention.
I’ve been loading it for about a year now. Fun to be able to shoot my Model 58 rapidly without punishing recoil.
Just dropped by to get away from the politics
Relaxing! Thanks!
I do the same thing. 👍
Reed's Ammo has had several variations of the .41 Special since shortly after Starline added .41 Special to their regular production.
About 20 years ago a Gary Peak contracted with Starline for 55k .41 Special cases...he also had to pay for the headstamp die....he is the one everyone should thank for the .41 Special coming into the Starline lineup.
Th .41 Special would be perfect for the Ruger GP-100, Colt Python and L-frame Smiths...unfortunately until one of the ammo companies sponsors it to SAAMI it will remain a "wildcat"...
Ruger Backhawk
S&W 57 Classic
Freedom Arms 97 and 83
Henry leverguns
...that is it for new guns.
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"Factory loaded Wildcat" only because it has never been SAAMI Certified...@@plowboysghost
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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My main 41 Special Load is a 215 grain LSWC from Missouri Bullet and 6 grains of Unique. My 41 Magnum loads are quite a bit hotter. I got interested in the 41 Special back years ago when I started reading the works of guy named Rocky Raab. I've owned a 41 Magnum Blackhawk since at least the early 80s.
There's a video on UA-cam where a guy was deer hunting successfully with (his very beautiful I might add!!!) a Smith and Wesson model 57 41 mag!!! It worked a charm!!! His channel is KRAL?!! He certainly has a beautiful revolver, and his handgun hunting content is first rate!!! Sorry for the plug Plowman, I don't even know the guy, but I thought that you'd personally, might like his stuff!!!
I'm familiar with that channel and have been subscribed for a while. Thanks!
@@plowboysghost ok it's official!!! You're even more awesome than I thought!!! I would love to see you do a 41 mag deer hunting video!!! I only have 44 mag as I don't currently have a reloading set-up. Went down the road with everything else when I became disabled and had spinal surgery. And honestly I am being serious about how cool I think you are, no smoke being blown here my friend!!! I have never been a person that has ever been into celebrities, but I am a big fan of yours!!! I don't care about those Hollywood types, but spending a day with guys like you is what makes life fun!!! My dad and uncles are just like you and so your channel resonates with me!!!
@@Wildwestwrangler That us exceedingly kind and generous of you. Thank you.
I aim to hunt pretty much exclusively with .41 Magnum, come mid November.
I'm trying to decide on whether or not to scope the new 6.5" .41 BH
@@plowboysghost I am so looking forward to that 41 mag hunting video!!! I think that 41 BH would be a laser in the accuracy department with a scope!!! I saw a guy just the other day that had a 7.5 inch barrel 41 BH that had a scope on his, and he was laying down 100 yard groups that would rival any rifle!!! He literally shot a 1 inch and 1.25 inch groups!!! Those were the only groups I watched him shoot, and I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it myself!!! I have seen people do that at 50 yards, and do 3 inch groups at 100 yards with a pistol, but never push 1 inch at 100 yards with a normal wheel gun. He had a Leupold 2x6 on his gun.
@@plowboysghost he was seriously sandbagged up and had a super solid rest!!!
Me too!
41mag is my favorite 210gr
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I agree. Police have always overestimated the skill of the rank and file. The FBI failed miserably with the 10mm. The Border Patrol suffered through the .40S&W for over 20 years.
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problem is.... No such thing as a 41 spl firearm. At this point I can almost hear the outrage!. 'But you can shoot em in 41 mag guns!!!" you can ... not me. Let me explain. I don't shoot 38 spl in my .357 guns I do not shoot 44 spl in my 44 mag guns I don't see the point I do handload tho. I make 2 levels for each of these guns in both those calibers. one about 'spl' +P level You are correct that the 'N' Frame is a pretty useable size but.... There would be nothing to stop making a K frame in 41 spl... even an 'L" frame with a shorter cylinder. Without a dedicated gun to shoot em in there really is no point to a 41 spl unless you just like that ugly ring around the chamber in your 41 mag guns. But....If memory serves... The ammo makers of the time did what I do in that they made a 'police load' in 41 mag It was almost a duplicate of the load you are showing of a 210 lead bullet at around 950fps. in 41 mag brass... Sorta like 45 Colt 'cowboy loads' but....my 45 acp loads are 200 grain cast and coated SWC bullets at +/- 1000 fps And the 45 acp is a very efficient case. The other problem was that the police were transitioning to semi autos and of course the first one cops went to was the 1911 in 45 acp There really wasn't a lot else out there at the time. And the 10 round or less magazine ban later did nothing but make the 1911 more popular. soooo... in..........my..........opinion without a smaller lighter dedicated 41 special handgun? that short case load was doomed
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