FINALLY someone else maindecks x3 super poly, and it's patrick hoban. I remember about 8 months ago when shaddoll was first released on devpro I told people in the chat I maindecked x3 super poly and literally EVERYONE in the chat ganged up on me and told me I was a scrub. WHAT NOW N00BS? that's why DN is much better devpro it's full of qliphort wielding scrubs
***** its because arma knight was the hot tech prior to NECH. When NECH announced a Fire and an Earth Shadoll fusion, Mathematician started to make more sense in the long run.
Can't believe people couldn't see how redundant any more than 1 hedgehog is. Even falco is slow and shouldn't be higher than 1. These aren't even advanced reasons. Well done for winning, Pat.
I built this deck on dn over a week ago but played 2 rota and lumina over super poly. So funny to see someone build such a similar deck and win with it
Yes but you have to acknowledge that a 2 card difference is enough to convert a good deck into an awful one, specially when you mess up your normal summon ratios.
So... what do you guysthink about mask change second in shaddolls? It's a weird tech I thought of for mirror matches. You know get Midrash eff to add back fusion and go for dark law when the structure deck comes out. Just wanted to know your thoughts.
3 construct, 2 windas,scrap, spark, arcanite,goyo,volcasaurus,2xcastel,evilswarm knightmare and abyss dweller = 14 cards extra deck! whats your last extra deck card? exciton? leo? or maybe key bettle
devildog621 actually, it was the first place card he won at ycs that he was using, acendsion sky dragon! he ran with black rose before and at ycs, but this video was at his locals the next day and he replaced black rose for ascension sky dragon
Its surprisingly budget. Interesting card choices that are justified with detail. The fact that his deck seems to be in more of the style of a fast european deck is also interesting especially when the european players have a heavy preference to the expensive, controlling artifact build. But the fact that it went to drafts takes away something from this victory and I'd say with confidence that someone else may have won if they played the knockouts without drafts. Players who top day one, usually find it tougher and rarely win when day two comes, its the curse of the YCS. What will the meta do? Who will the netdeckers try to imitate more? Only time will tell.
Ok lets be realistic and smart about this then. You've probably got most of the shaddoll engine if not all of it from booster boxes split with friends or by smart trading from denebs and dantes from said boxes. Pretty much all you need in terms of shaddolls for say about £90-£100, maybe less if you share card pools with a mate or relative. If you don't have a playset of emptiness at this point then you've not read the game properly to see its rise in further demand. In terms of the rest of the extra deck, you'll only need 1 copy of each which everyone should have. This recipe has not spent extra resouces for the artifact engine. Its budget. You should already have most of the deck besides the actual shaddolls if you're only building it now. Also to finish if you're building a deck purely by buying singles then you're doing something wrong and burning a huge hole in your pockets. Trade, communicate learn from others and predict the markets. No deck is too expensive if you really put the effort into building it. You had your chance to get this stuff cheap. Don't bitch to me if you haven't been asked to do it by now.
David Gowland his point is its not budget though you saying you should have got it from friends and predict prices doesn't really change the fact that it isn't budget quite costly..
how will this work now with the new banlist .. omg soul charge limited to one as well as super poly... deck is killed... I would be very interested to know with which cards would replace -2 soul charges and -2super poly..
Not trying to take anything away from his victory, but I really don't like the Lightsworn version, it's too luck based, I mean you run the chance of milling multiples of the Shaddoll monsters which is never good.
(Patrick) A lot of people seem to think this, but to be honest you're not going to top, let alone win, an event without getting lucky a couple times along the way. I think it's good to play cards that will give you that chance to get lucky.
***** Luck is a word used to describe something that doesnt exist and he only uses the good lightsworns lol "luck based" you cant say those words when you play the most dynamic card game
Luck doesn't have a lot to do with it. That's why the same people keep topping over and over again. It's about min-maxing, and making the correct card choices for the meta. It's being one step ahead in tech, and having the ability to play out of terrible positions. These guys don't net deck, and all they face are people copying older versions of their own decks. They just have to be better than themselves, every single time.
does anyone else hear that constant quiet clicking in the background? it sounds like someone is using an old school ipod scrolling down next to the camera the whole video lol
Funny, if you looked this guys name up "defining skill" is the first thing that comes out. I'm really questioning the people that represent the current Yugioh, they all seem to be cheaters.
I don't see why everyone thinks LS help the deck. Your making it worse. Your going to end up milling the wrong cards and it can potential lead to you decking out.
Why does everyone think these "pro" players are the best at the game. Anyone can pick up a broken deck like BA or dragon rulers and top a ycs. Take baby dragon format for example
LOL. Dragon Rulers is one of the most skill intensive decks out there. In the mirror match good players would shit on bad players easily because making the right decision when there are 100s of them is super important. The more options a deck has the better it is, and the higher the skill cap on it is. That's why the same players top over and over again.
+Zarion106 actually it is not hard to make every correct decision during a game regardless of the teir 1 meta deck your using, the game is so easy that there are hardly bad players because the game requires little to no skill and I play this competitively on DN, there are no actual true pro players, if you do make mistakes then your a stupidly bad player, dragon rulers, nekroz, shaddoll, satellarknight decks are not hard to pilot its that you need to test out the decks first and find out how they work then beating people with them should be no problem unless there using a teir 1 deck as well. Then it becomes who drew the stupidly more powerful hand, and that person will win you know why because the game is so unbalanced its stupid.
AssassainFlank GROWNPC You're actually joking. It's very difficult to make the correct play, and the game requires a lot of skill. I shit on literally everyone I play against on DN because most people build their decks thinking of only their decks and play to their plays when I make builds that interact and counter popular builds and know the matchups between decks so well that I can make the correct decisions when it comes to what to search/summon when I'm playing against different decks. It's like if I'm playing against Kozmo's and they have only a farmgirl on the field and one card in hand I'm not going to summon Nekroz of Trishula because that is probably what they are trying to bait me into doing. And if I do summon trish to make sure they don't have honest I'd only do it if I knew I had a way to boost my attack points in case it's a forerunner. I win 90% of my locals and have topped at regional events because I test matchups and understand card interaction. I also use probability during duels when making decisions. My opponent has one backrow, but 3 cards in hand, what's the backrow? If they're playing tellars did they just not draw any traps? Maybe they drew quickplays and didn't want to set them? Is it a vanity's emptiness? If they summoned deneb and left it unprotected with one trap does that mean they have honest? If so do they have a way to turn off their own vanity's? If I'm playing Nekroz will they even turn off their vanity's? Maybe it's not vanity's and they drew no backrow? Now if I activate a ritual spell and it goes through I can make the assumption he doesn't have other backrow in hand. In that case is it possible he has an alpha and wants to protect himself from trishula? Want monster should I summon if that's the case? Decisive armor would be ideal. If It's Alpha I can attack over the deneb and then banish it. I lose in that situation if it's mirror force. Can I follow up with a trish if that's mirror force? How does this effect my plays? If i have an MST do I save it for the flood gates or do I just dump it on this and try to OTK? The game has so many layers. Being good at playing solitaire is easy but when the format is like this there are so many big decisions in games that can impact the outcome but people refuse to see them. Ever lose a duel and immediately after say to your opponent "If you didn't see that card I would of won" or "I just needed to draw this card to win" well, 80% of the time the duel was decided earlier than that by a decision you made while ignoring interactions between your deck and theirs. Maybe you misread a set card they had or you made a play that exposed yourself to a powerful extra deck monster's effect (exciton or blackrose). Games are rarely decided on the last turn and almost every Yugioh player that isn't good at the game will blame their loss on the last two turns of the duel, when really they simply made the wrong choice. If the game was as easy as you claim I wouldn't win beat the other Nekroz players at my locals 100% of the time in top eight. I wouldn't beat the burning abyss players all the time and I wouldn't beat everyone on Dueling network regardless of how broken they open or poorly I open. Yeah I had times with Nekroz where I opened Trish, Decisive armor, Gungnir, Unicore, Veiler, Valk and top decked a Valk only to get OTK'd the next turn. But comparatively I've had way more games where I've opened mediocre and my opponent opened the nuts but I still manage to crawl my way back into winning the game. It's all skill man.
He is an incredible player.. Love him or hate him, the man can play a children's card game.
lol how many "children" you know play this game properly?
Buzzybeatz Gficial My thoughts exactly..
Buzzybeatz Gficial I know one child that plays ygo...and thats you xd^^ just kiddin
Buzzybeatz Gficial i remember playing blue eyes tribute deck (yes i know it sucks) when i was like 10
Buzzybeatz Gficial Chris Leblanc lmfaoooo
I don't care what people say Hoban seems like a legit nice and cool guy.
FINALLY someone else maindecks x3 super poly, and it's patrick hoban. I remember about 8 months ago when shaddoll was first released on devpro I told people in the chat I maindecked x3 super poly and literally EVERYONE in the chat ganged up on me and told me I was a scrub. WHAT NOW N00BS? that's why DN is much better devpro it's full of qliphort wielding scrubs
Still sucks.
***** its because arma knight was the hot tech prior to NECH. When NECH announced a Fire and an Earth Shadoll fusion, Mathematician started to make more sense in the long run.
is't Super Poly limited to 1...?
Joan Burnazi the ban list changes every 3 months cheeky scrub
???
mcduffie chillin in the back
I've never built or played a shadoll deck, but the explanations and reasoning in this video, shows why you no novice. Thanks for teaching
Can't believe people couldn't see how redundant any more than 1 hedgehog is. Even falco is slow and shouldn't be higher than 1. These aren't even advanced reasons. Well done for winning, Pat.
Light Revaan This was over half a year ago. The meta was totally different back then.
+Kaan Dogru look at his comment date bud....lol
Dude: 2 dragons because ummm.... 1 falcon
I built this deck on dn over a week ago but played 2 rota and lumina over super poly. So funny to see someone build such a similar deck and win with it
Yes but you have to acknowledge that a 2 card difference is enough to convert a good deck into an awful one, specially when you mess up your normal summon ratios.
Tom Paine said the same thing about Sinister Shadow games and got shit for it haha
Only he played 0.
The logic was still the same
OMG... He really does look like Upstart Goblin!
Korey in the back like "This isn't magic"
So... what do you guysthink about mask change second in shaddolls? It's a weird tech I thought of for mirror matches. You know get Midrash eff to add back fusion and go for dark law when the structure deck comes out. Just wanted to know your thoughts.
Lol korey mcduffie in the background
I tried out a similar deck but i had lumina and Felice also, it worked out fairly well.
And let the net decking begin
Not that it's a bad thing. It helps progress the game.
should have sided Djinn for Lols
3 construct, 2 windas,scrap, spark, arcanite,goyo,volcasaurus,2xcastel,evilswarm knightmare and abyss dweller = 14 cards extra deck! whats your last extra deck card? exciton? leo? or maybe key bettle
he said he played black rose, he just didn't have it on him in the video
oh didnt listen to that, thx
devildog621 actually, it was the first place card he won at ycs that he was using, acendsion sky dragon! he ran with black rose before and at ycs, but this video was at his locals the next day and he replaced black rose for ascension sky dragon
Jacob Piper That is right, for what he played at his locals, but i'm saying AT the YCS, he played black rose dragon.
Dat coffin seller paralyzing chain and shadow imprisoning mirror doe
Probably the GOAT.
is that korey mcduffie in the background?
Very nice video...enjoyed the content....keep up the success and uploads.....
HEY! That's me! :D
This interview went very well! Hopefully we can do more of these in the future!
-Spoofy
Such a fun format.
Its surprisingly budget.
Interesting card choices that are justified with detail. The fact that his deck seems to be in more of the style of a fast european deck is also interesting especially when the european players have a heavy preference to the expensive, controlling artifact build. But the fact that it went to drafts takes away something from this victory and I'd say with confidence that someone else may have won if they played the knockouts without drafts. Players who top day one, usually find it tougher and rarely win when day two comes, its the curse of the YCS.
What will the meta do? Who will the netdeckers try to imitate more?
Only time will tell.
Triple vanity's is over 100 dollars alone... but it's budget
Marcos Cardenas Winda is 50 each and Constract like 20 each and lets not talk about the rest of the extra
Ok lets be realistic and smart about this then.
You've probably got most of the shaddoll engine if not all of it from booster boxes split with friends or by smart trading from denebs and dantes from said boxes. Pretty much all you need in terms of shaddolls for say about £90-£100, maybe less if you share card pools with a mate or relative. If you don't have a playset of emptiness at this point then you've not read the game properly to see its rise in further demand. In terms of the rest of the extra deck, you'll only need 1 copy of each which everyone should have.
This recipe has not spent extra resouces for the artifact engine. Its budget.
You should already have most of the deck besides the actual shaddolls if you're only building it now.
Also to finish if you're building a deck purely by buying singles then you're doing something wrong and burning a huge hole in your pockets. Trade, communicate learn from others and predict the markets. No deck is too expensive if you really put the effort into building it. You had your chance to get this stuff cheap. Don't bitch to me if you haven't been asked to do it by now.
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David Gowland his point is its not budget though you saying you should have got it from friends and predict prices doesn't really change the fact that it isn't budget quite costly..
How do you decide when to go first or second, or is it always automatically go first every time?
how will this work now with the new banlist .. omg soul charge limited to one as well as super poly... deck is killed...
I would be very interested to know with which cards would replace -2 soul charges and -2super poly..
Yea that's what I'm wondering too ! Hopefully someone replies with an answer
Hoban probably replaced them with reckless greeds XD
Anyone can show me The list of the cards? I'm not english
why hasn't arg posted anything from the last 2 events??
Casteling your own beast? FUCKING GENIUS
okay we get it soul charge is good you don't gotta waste 5 minutes on it
Are Korey Mcduffie and Patrick Hoban friends in real life?
ik him from my locals in Brooklyn :D His sylvan deck is unbeatable .-.
well he has been there
Why is this video in the old store
Is this 38 cards in the main? What am I missing?
Patrick Hoban is like the new Billy Brake
korey mcduffies in the background!
What were the two dragons cards?
And then this build gets shreked by the ban list... And they DIDNT hit the artifact build. So one explane 2 me pls
Young Korey McDuffie in the background!!!
Visionary
raiden eff is a cost not a card effect so the shaddoll effect doesnt work i think.. but not sure^^
websurfer955 ok thank you
great guy, good duelist
Not trying to take anything away from his victory, but I really don't like the Lightsworn version, it's too luck based, I mean you run the chance of milling multiples of the Shaddoll monsters which is never good.
(Patrick) A lot of people seem to think this, but to be honest you're not going to top, let alone win, an event without getting lucky a couple times along the way. I think it's good to play cards that will give you that chance to get lucky.
***** Luck is a word used to describe something that doesnt exist and he only uses the good lightsworns lol "luck based" you cant say those words when you play the most dynamic card game
thunder dragon and marron are WAY more luck based, and in a negative way, where the lightsworn luck is a potential plus but never a neg
Luck doesn't have a lot to do with it. That's why the same people keep topping over and over again. It's about min-maxing, and making the correct card choices for the meta. It's being one step ahead in tech, and having the ability to play out of terrible positions. These guys don't net deck, and all they face are people copying older versions of their own decks. They just have to be better than themselves, every single time.
Zarion106 Yeah, but not everyone is able to do that though.
you should add burial
baby drags and/or soul charge = easy rank 4 = ophion no problem
I thought you meant the baby rulers and got confused for a sec
if i had Ascension Sky Dragon i'd summon it all the time too LOL
Is it just me or does Patrick Hoban break quite a lot between words? Listen to the speech
does anyone else hear that constant quiet clicking in the background? it sounds like someone is using an old school ipod scrolling down next to the camera the whole video lol
Just u
I think you can only hear it with headphones I can still hear it
I noticed Korey Mcduffie!
Any 1 know the name of those dragons at 7:50
White Dragon Wyverburster and Black Dragon Collapserpent
Finally!
Wassup with the giggles ladies?😐
No exciton or 101?!wtf
i wasn't waiting for this decklist. your description is false sir.
lol watch Korey in the back
#memories
Castel!!!
Funny, if you looked this guys name up "defining skill" is the first thing that comes out. I'm really questioning the people that represent the current Yugioh, they all seem to be cheaters.
am fukin ballin
Dude lvl 7s not good? What fucking rock you under? Lol can i get a clear wing?
devinbahm It's OCG, this was a TCG tournament.
+KageNoKishi725 more the fact that the card wasnt even made yet till 2015 and this vid and the tornament was 2014. and shaddolls dont play lvl 7s...
Like 50% of his Deck ist German :D
I don't see why everyone thinks LS help the deck. Your making it worse. Your going to end up milling the wrong cards and it can potential lead to you decking out.
Why does everyone think these "pro" players are the best at the game. Anyone can pick up a broken deck like BA or dragon rulers and top a ycs. Take baby dragon format for example
...Baby Dragon Format was a two-deck format...Almost everyone either ran Rulers or Spellbooks.
butthurt
LOL. Dragon Rulers is one of the most skill intensive decks out there. In the mirror match good players would shit on bad players easily because making the right decision when there are 100s of them is super important. The more options a deck has the better it is, and the higher the skill cap on it is. That's why the same players top over and over again.
+Zarion106 actually it is not hard to make every correct decision during a game regardless of the teir 1 meta deck your using, the game is so easy that there are hardly bad players because the game requires little to no skill and I play this competitively on DN, there are no actual true pro players, if you do make mistakes then your a stupidly bad player, dragon rulers, nekroz, shaddoll, satellarknight decks are not hard to pilot its that you need to test out the decks first and find out how they work then beating people with them should be no problem unless there using a teir 1 deck as well. Then it becomes who drew the stupidly more powerful hand, and that person will win you know why because the game is so unbalanced its stupid.
AssassainFlank GROWNPC You're actually joking. It's very difficult to make the correct play, and the game requires a lot of skill. I shit on literally everyone I play against on DN because most people build their decks thinking of only their decks and play to their plays when I make builds that interact and counter popular builds and know the matchups between decks so well that I can make the correct decisions when it comes to what to search/summon when I'm playing against different decks. It's like if I'm playing against Kozmo's and they have only a farmgirl on the field and one card in hand I'm not going to summon Nekroz of Trishula because that is probably what they are trying to bait me into doing. And if I do summon trish to make sure they don't have honest I'd only do it if I knew I had a way to boost my attack points in case it's a forerunner.
I win 90% of my locals and have topped at regional events because I test matchups and understand card interaction. I also use probability during duels when making decisions. My opponent has one backrow, but 3 cards in hand, what's the backrow? If they're playing tellars did they just not draw any traps? Maybe they drew quickplays and didn't want to set them? Is it a vanity's emptiness? If they summoned deneb and left it unprotected with one trap does that mean they have honest? If so do they have a way to turn off their own vanity's? If I'm playing Nekroz will they even turn off their vanity's? Maybe it's not vanity's and they drew no backrow? Now if I activate a ritual spell and it goes through I can make the assumption he doesn't have other backrow in hand. In that case is it possible he has an alpha and wants to protect himself from trishula? Want monster should I summon if that's the case? Decisive armor would be ideal. If It's Alpha I can attack over the deneb and then banish it. I lose in that situation if it's mirror force. Can I follow up with a trish if that's mirror force? How does this effect my plays? If i have an MST do I save it for the flood gates or do I just dump it on this and try to OTK?
The game has so many layers. Being good at playing solitaire is easy but when the format is like this there are so many big decisions in games that can impact the outcome but people refuse to see them. Ever lose a duel and immediately after say to your opponent "If you didn't see that card I would of won" or "I just needed to draw this card to win" well, 80% of the time the duel was decided earlier than that by a decision you made while ignoring interactions between your deck and theirs. Maybe you misread a set card they had or you made a play that exposed yourself to a powerful extra deck monster's effect (exciton or blackrose). Games are rarely decided on the last turn and almost every Yugioh player that isn't good at the game will blame their loss on the last two turns of the duel, when really they simply made the wrong choice. If the game was as easy as you claim I wouldn't win beat the other Nekroz players at my locals 100% of the time in top eight. I wouldn't beat the burning abyss players all the time and I wouldn't beat everyone on Dueling network regardless of how broken they open or poorly I open. Yeah I had times with Nekroz where I opened Trish, Decisive armor, Gungnir, Unicore, Veiler, Valk and top decked a Valk only to get OTK'd the next turn. But comparatively I've had way more games where I've opened mediocre and my opponent opened the nuts but I still manage to crawl my way back into winning the game.
It's all skill man.
Aaaaanddd...
figa sembra un pollice
Oh god that's shit.
All jittery and shit
lol super poly is banned you cheater
lol this video is old
to much "Top hats and *Champagne*"? LOL
Aaaaanddd...
All jittery and shit