This has been my favorite guide from you till date. I really liked the format you used to layout all the combos and how many we should expect in between each one when played well/unobstructed.
It's my way to see it but I really prefer a non looping video and pausing on every move/explanation. I find it way more clearer than hearing you deblaterate all the opener while seeing the opener sequence looping that goes super fast ! ( not seeing what you are hearing about at the same time is not intuitive) Else your video is really nice, ty
I prefer losing Unbound Chaos - Inertia - A fire inside - Essence break and going for Inner demon - Cycle of hatred - Shattered Destiny. I think i play smoother this way and love being in meta all the time. I am not saying it's better but i enjoy it more.
Personally, what is “best” doesn’t matter unless you are pushing super high keys. Blizz messed up by continuing to force people to play the zoom zoom build to be competitive. I’ll take the dps loss & play Shattered Destiny because THAT is what DH is supposed to be.
@@DrakonisLibertas there should really be no dps loss after the fix to isolated prey. it depends on the fight, but going all the way to shattered destiny can sometimes be a waste because you can run into a situation where you are constantly pushing back eye beam if it comes up before meta drops off (meaning no demon surge). i've settled on only 1/2 cycle of hatred, with this during most fights meta will last almost exactly until eye beam is back up. it also allows eye beam to line up with sigil of flame, so you can use it before every eye beam to buff eye beam/demon surges with student of suffering.
@@monapow1 no but eye beam adds demonsurge procs to death sweep and annihilation because it shifts you into meta. if you use eye beam a second time during your long meta, you miss these two procs because you're already in meta. even in a best case scenario that second eye beam during long meta will come up only a few seconds before meta drops, so you'd miss out on two demonsurge procs if you used it again when meta is about to fall off.
Thanks for the guide! I'd love a similar one for Aldrachi if possible, I've tried both builds and something about being a soul RNG psycho is actually more appealing than big explosions.
Thank you Jedith! I’ve been eagerly awaiting your M+ guide! You’ve been the only content creator that creates a numerical list for the opener from start to finish. I’ve used it and practiced it in the past when you did this for us and it helped me get to 3k IO in S3 and S4 of Dragonflight! Thank you again! Super happy we can be viable with Fel-Scared! Would love to see an Aldrachi video for M+ 😄
working on this, thanks for the rundown great content as always Jedith, just hard for us casuals. Did a test, worked on this for about 1h and i got the rotation pretty much down and acually pretty happy with myself, trippled my output (on training dummys) Tested same thing on my fury warrior, 7 buttons, same damage......... I think honestly the reward for the hard work should be more damage, more power to HAVOC!! Even tho getting to be a DH is a pretty good reward in itself, Well better get back to working on it thanks agein for all the content you put out
Jedith, thank you man. I just came back to wow and DH is the best class. At 589 iLevel I pulled 1mil dps overall and 48% of the total damage done in a heroic last night with my friends. Thanks for your dope ass videos
There are better felscarred setups than this if you wanted to exceed your current dps by a bit, and they dont include essb or any movement nodes. This build is fine tho
@@BrokenxPvP if you are able to read AND understand the sentence I wrote you will notice certain things: 1) I used the phrase ,,I think“ and not ,,there is“ 2) i talked about a specific scenario with big aoe pulls and on use trinket. From what I saw in some sim testing people swapped gleve orcan for fel barrage. Its not missinformation if you tell people about tests.
so that opener.... means you need like a PHd to play DH now? that you have to learn and remeber a 19 step opener that is on repeat every 2 minutes and afaik looking at WCL havocs are not doing so great so yeah wtf did they do to this class since shadowlands? or even earlier than that
Hello Jedith! Could you please do an Aldrachi Reaver guide? I believe these will be the most viable Hero talent for high level mythic + and would love to hear what you have to say about it. You da man
OK, but what is the normal rotation when you don't have "a window" going? I mean this is great for pinning down what to do during a window, but what is your normal priority list?
I did not see anyone ask this but one point is put into Felblade. I do not see Felblade in the DPS rotation, does this mean Felblade is only to get into positions?
I played around with talents a bit and wouldn't it be worth more to go for inner demon + 2 levels in cycle of hatred to hasten your eye beam windows for more demonsurges instead of relying on chaotic disposition rng? I felt that I got consistend high dmg in every pull with my version so far, however I haven't crunched any number, just going off feeling. What do you think?
i have a build like this that uses both chaotic disposition and inner demon/cycle of hatred 2. no movement required and it sims at about 1% behind the build in this video. it works with both a fire inside and shattered destiny, the latter of which is slightly better for solo stuff due to the leech, but any downtime while in meta could greatly reduce its effectiveness overall, so it's probably situational.
@@ibtarnine Hey, VDH here looking to try out more chill DPS builds, would you mind sharing me your build? It would be greatly appreciated and a lot of help for me, since every build online uses the Inertia combo.
@@I3reaking here is my current build: CEkAEDLOxe3SEPP2R8Hw6bhoSYmZMzMzMjZmZmZmJMzAAAAAAAGmZYGMYmZDLzY4BmZZYZZY2mlZGDz200MjZmhhN i change a few points here and there depending on the setting though. that is currently just for delves. with 4 piece set bonus it improves even more due to how often you use chaos strike. in dungeons, i switch pursuit of angriness to wave of debilitation, and demon hide is switched to improved chaos strike, and you can switch over to sigil of misery if more cc is needed. the build works around buffing eye beam with sigil of flame, followed by essence break and death sweep/annihilation. with 1 point in cycle of hatred, meta will typically drop right before sigil of flame and eye beam are up again, letting you get demonsurge procs with every eye beam, and allowing them to be buffed by student of suffering (hopefully) every single time. i found that any further points into cycle of hatred and shattered destiny could lead to a situation where i could use eye beam a second time while still in meta, which doesn't give you demonsurge procs on death sweep and annihilation. this will vary based on the encounter though, so in certain situations lengthening meta may be preferrable, or it may be better to just drop cycle of hatred altogether. one caveat: i am relatively new to wow, but not new to pushing CE content in mmorpgs in general (see my channel). i have a pretty good handle on things since Rift was essentially a wow clone, but i doubt i have as good of an understanding as people who have been playing for much longer.
I had asked the same question during a stream. Lost in darkness is 1 point where infernal armor takes 2 and you would have to fill both points to path down further. I'm sure if you really wanted, you could find something else to get rid of in order to take that path if you really want.
I noticed we're not getting inertia for the hunt in the first rotation and for eye beam in the second smaller rotation. Is inertia mainly just going to be reserved for demon surges primarily or is it best to send before the hunt and eye beam as a general principle when things get outta whack? Thanks for the content as always!
Adds some complexity to a class with a 19 button rotation with animation cancels every 2 minutes? Trying to figure out if that is a weird flex or fake flex... XD
Should I be going into the 40s straight after the opener? The problem I'm finding is Going into 40s after opener my Sigil of Flame is still on cooldown. If I go to 20s after opener my Glaive Tempest & The Hunt are on cooldown. Both options after the opener mean I stood auto attacking for a 10-15 seconds before I can start another rotation. Am I missing some gear that resets cooldowns? I noticed on one of your recent live streams that Sigil of Flame came off cooldown after 10 seconds, maybe I'm missing something that triggers that reset?
What other macros do you recommend? I currently am using @ cursor for sigil, trying to pick up havoc for raid team to give us the chaos brand so still working out all the kinks to get use to the rotation as I usually am a warlock main lol
do you think fs damage drops down a lot outside of meta in aoe or is it just my poor performance? do you think ar is better if you prefer constant high damage for every pack?
Is using VR before eyebeam still optimal if you are using the talent that makes eyebeam guaranteed crit? Initiative is crit strike chance not crit strike dmg amp.
hi! just a question, dash of chaos seems like a nice talent instead of demon hide, you jump back to your inital point when activated again instead of the damage reduction? just thought its easier in raids and maybe mythic to stop downtime on autoattacks etc? or is there a reason we choose DR instead of dash of chaos?
@@Snabbeman1 I had to read over it several times myself because Blizz tooltips are always confusing. But reread it yourself: "Magical damage increased by 3%..." :)
Jedith, could we get a vod or guide of you in Palace, please? I'd like to see your approach and decode why I'm absolute bootycheeks. I'd also like to see how you shift your talent build for each boss fight since theres a few where we dont need the cleave. Thank you for all you do!
Love that its more focus on press the right order to do dps than focus on strategies when we play dhs. 20 steps in opener... 7-8 on most of the other classes if even less. More focus on strategies than focus on what button to press :)
i play this kind of build in current heroic dungeons and tbh i focus more on the mechanics of the fight instead of dashing in and out of combat and the rotation is much simpler. i average between 800-1mil dmg with 578 gear (just lvled the DH) atm.
Can someone explain to me, if you are really hard set on wanting to play a "no mover build", why do you even play DH? Thats like... wanting to play a melee spec but play a mage?
it is like playing a hunter to go melee, makes no sense but can be fun. And to be fair, until you get used to it, using movement skills in dps rotations doesn't feel good because you just keep getting out of melee and having to use gap closers. Not a problem for DH though, they have enough movement to run laps around the raid.
@@spaxx8707 well, maybe they like other things about the class, it isn't just "movement". If a pure transformation build was as good as the movement one, I would be playing it because eye beaming is the most fun part for me.
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This has been my favorite guide from you till date. I really liked the format you used to layout all the combos and how many we should expect in between each one when played well/unobstructed.
It's my way to see it but I really prefer a non looping video and pausing on every move/explanation. I find it way more clearer than hearing you deblaterate all the opener while seeing the opener sequence looping that goes super fast ! ( not seeing what you are hearing about at the same time is not intuitive)
Else your video is really nice, ty
That’s very good feedback, I feel the same. The opener is too fast to explain in real time. Maybe slowmo could be an option
Wasn't gonna main dh but after getting it to 80. It's was so fun it's hard not too
helllll yeah mr BACON
Awesome, quick guide. Straight to the point and easy to understand.
19 step nuclear launch code opener is brutal
nah fr all that to look over at meters and see yourself at the bottom in single target kekw
@@Devonwilliams-zd1kc We are pumping in raids and M+
@@Devonwilliams-zd1kcthat is our curse lmfao.
I prefer losing Unbound Chaos - Inertia - A fire inside - Essence break and going for Inner demon - Cycle of hatred - Shattered Destiny. I think i play smoother this way and love being in meta all the time.
I am not saying it's better but i enjoy it more.
@@coolst0rybruh Got a link to any build or anything to look at whilst I can't get online
Personally, what is “best” doesn’t matter unless you are pushing super high keys.
Blizz messed up by continuing to force people to play the zoom zoom build to be competitive. I’ll take the dps loss & play Shattered Destiny because THAT is what DH is supposed to be.
@@DrakonisLibertas there should really be no dps loss after the fix to isolated prey. it depends on the fight, but going all the way to shattered destiny can sometimes be a waste because you can run into a situation where you are constantly pushing back eye beam if it comes up before meta drops off (meaning no demon surge). i've settled on only 1/2 cycle of hatred, with this during most fights meta will last almost exactly until eye beam is back up. it also allows eye beam to line up with sigil of flame, so you can use it before every eye beam to buff eye beam/demon surges with student of suffering.
@@ibtarnine but eyebeam dont use demonsurge
@@monapow1 no but eye beam adds demonsurge procs to death sweep and annihilation because it shifts you into meta. if you use eye beam a second time during your long meta, you miss these two procs because you're already in meta. even in a best case scenario that second eye beam during long meta will come up only a few seconds before meta drops, so you'd miss out on two demonsurge procs if you used it again when meta is about to fall off.
Thanks for the guide! I'd love a similar one for Aldrachi if possible, I've tried both builds and something about being a soul RNG psycho is actually more appealing than big explosions.
Thank you Jedith! I’ve been eagerly awaiting your M+ guide! You’ve been the only content creator that creates a numerical list for the opener from start to finish. I’ve used it and practiced it in the past when you did this for us and it helped me get to 3k IO in S3 and S4 of Dragonflight! Thank you again! Super happy we can be viable with Fel-Scared! Would love to see an Aldrachi video for M+ 😄
Glad to help!
working on this, thanks for the rundown great content as always Jedith, just hard for us casuals.
Did a test,
worked on this for about 1h and i got the rotation pretty much down and acually pretty happy with myself, trippled my output (on training dummys)
Tested same thing on my fury warrior, 7 buttons, same damage.........
I think honestly the reward for the hard work should be more damage, more power to HAVOC!!
Even tho getting to be a DH is a pretty good reward in itself,
Well better get back to working on it
thanks agein for all the content you put out
Amazing guide as always, Thank you very much. DH FS is so fun I cant wait to gear up
Have fun!
Excited to get back into m+, glad fs got attention, reaver was rough
Love your Vids. Thank you. Cant wait to start into the new season!
Good luck!
Thank you for all of your efforts, Jedith!
My pleasure!
Perfect. Almost the same way im playing. Doing very good damage.
Fel-Scarred has an extremely smooth dps profile for M+. It would be dope if it is actually tanky enough for high keys. Time will tell !
Damn professor don't ever miss!
Hope you learned something!
Jedith, thank you man. I just came back to wow and DH is the best class. At 589 iLevel I pulled 1mil dps overall and 48% of the total damage done in a heroic last night with my friends. Thanks for your dope ass videos
There are better felscarred setups than this if you wanted to exceed your current dps by a bit, and they dont include essb or any movement nodes. This build is fine tho
@@coryp6868 link, I'd love to show this to the DH discord
@@BrokenxPvP i think I saw some sims with Fel Barrage and an on use trinket for M+ with big aoe pulls.
@@UpperMoon95 fel barrage is criminally bad. With the new dungeon changes big pulls just can't happen. You are misinforming people.
@@BrokenxPvP if you are able to read AND understand the sentence I wrote you will notice certain things:
1) I used the phrase ,,I think“ and not ,,there is“
2) i talked about a specific scenario with big aoe pulls and on use trinket.
From what I saw in some sim testing people swapped gleve orcan for fel barrage.
Its not missinformation if you tell people about tests.
(Seal of the City Watch) has another name (Band of the Roving Scalawag)
SoB First boss changes depending on faction.
Mate, thank you for this vid :) great as always. DH is so far away to be "2button" spec :D
Very nice video format !
Glad you liked it!
Please do an Aldrachi guide too, your guides are Awesome
19 step opener seems a little intimidating but it flows pretty well broken into phases.
stopping by to say hi. SEASONS ALMOST HEREEE
so that opener.... means you need like a PHd to play DH now? that you have to learn and remeber a 19 step opener that is on repeat every 2 minutes and afaik looking at WCL havocs are not doing so great so yeah wtf did they do to this class since shadowlands? or even earlier than that
Looking forward to that aldrachi guide tbh
Hello Jedith! Could you please do an Aldrachi Reaver guide? I believe these will be the most viable Hero talent for high level mythic + and would love to hear what you have to say about it. You da man
Hey would love to see an aldrachi reaver guide, do you think you will do that by any chance ?
Please do an AR build guide Overlord Jedith. Ty good Sir!!
really nice guide ,u are very helpfull. the one target opener in Muthic + is same as u mentioned in previous videos?
4:19, hey, I was just wondering why you use annihilation before essence break when it benefits from the damage buff?
OK, but what is the normal rotation when you don't have "a window" going? I mean this is great for pinning down what to do during a window, but what is your normal priority list?
@@Valkaneer you start with the big one and do 2 little ones in between ...
I did not see anyone ask this but one point is put into Felblade.
I do not see Felblade in the DPS rotation, does this mean Felblade is only to get into positions?
I played around with talents a bit and wouldn't it be worth more to go for inner demon + 2 levels in cycle of hatred to hasten your eye beam windows for more demonsurges instead of relying on chaotic disposition rng? I felt that I got consistend high dmg in every pull with my version so far, however I haven't crunched any number, just going off feeling. What do you think?
i have a build like this that uses both chaotic disposition and inner demon/cycle of hatred 2. no movement required and it sims at about 1% behind the build in this video. it works with both a fire inside and shattered destiny, the latter of which is slightly better for solo stuff due to the leech, but any downtime while in meta could greatly reduce its effectiveness overall, so it's probably situational.
@@ibtarnine Hey, VDH here looking to try out more chill DPS builds, would you mind sharing me your build? It would be greatly appreciated and a lot of help for me, since every build online uses the Inertia combo.
@@I3reaking here is my current build: CEkAEDLOxe3SEPP2R8Hw6bhoSYmZMzMzMjZmZmZmJMzAAAAAAAGmZYGMYmZDLzY4BmZZYZZY2mlZGDz200MjZmhhN
i change a few points here and there depending on the setting though. that is currently just for delves. with 4 piece set bonus it improves even more due to how often you use chaos strike. in dungeons, i switch pursuit of angriness to wave of debilitation, and demon hide is switched to improved chaos strike, and you can switch over to sigil of misery if more cc is needed.
the build works around buffing eye beam with sigil of flame, followed by essence break and death sweep/annihilation. with 1 point in cycle of hatred, meta will typically drop right before sigil of flame and eye beam are up again, letting you get demonsurge procs with every eye beam, and allowing them to be buffed by student of suffering (hopefully) every single time.
i found that any further points into cycle of hatred and shattered destiny could lead to a situation where i could use eye beam a second time while still in meta, which doesn't give you demonsurge procs on death sweep and annihilation. this will vary based on the encounter though, so in certain situations lengthening meta may be preferrable, or it may be better to just drop cycle of hatred altogether.
one caveat: i am relatively new to wow, but not new to pushing CE content in mmorpgs in general (see my channel). i have a pretty good handle on things since Rift was essentially a wow clone, but i doubt i have as good of an understanding as people who have been playing for much longer.
Insane video, as always
Did you plan a Raid guide soon ?
Another banger!
ty!
May i ask why you going Lost in darkness and not Infernal Armor?
lost in darkness costs 1 point, Infernal armor requires 2 points to pass through it
I had asked the same question during a stream. Lost in darkness is 1 point where infernal armor takes 2 and you would have to fill both points to path down further. I'm sure if you really wanted, you could find something else to get rid of in order to take that path if you really want.
I noticed we're not getting inertia for the hunt in the first rotation and for eye beam in the second smaller rotation. Is inertia mainly just going to be reserved for demon surges primarily or is it best to send before the hunt and eye beam as a general principle when things get outta whack? Thanks for the content as always!
Tbh, I am only ineterested in Aldrachi builds. Because I like that it actually adds some complexity to the class.
Adds some complexity to a class with a 19 button rotation with animation cancels every 2 minutes? Trying to figure out if that is a weird flex or fake flex... XD
Man i want to play dh as a main so freaking badly but i just cant get used to inertia i miss the no mover stuff haha
Why isnt any guide covering throw glaives? Is it not worth it to use?
I would love to know your keybinds or recommended keybinds for spells
Noted! Will see if I can provide this info in a later video
Hey, could you do a havoc video guide for magetower this patch?
Should I be going into the 40s straight after the opener? The problem I'm finding is Going into 40s after opener my Sigil of Flame is still on cooldown. If I go to 20s after opener my Glaive Tempest & The Hunt are on cooldown. Both options after the opener mean I stood auto attacking for a 10-15 seconds before I can start another rotation. Am I missing some gear that resets cooldowns? I noticed on one of your recent live streams that Sigil of Flame came off cooldown after 10 seconds, maybe I'm missing something that triggers that reset?
Have you ever made a Hekili Import?
This is not quite the same rotation from your last video. Is there a reason why used sigil of flame after the hunt instead of before for example?
Thats because the other video explicitly says its for Single Target, not aoe like this one
What other macros do you recommend? I currently am using @ cursor for sigil, trying to pick up havoc for raid team to give us the chaos brand so still working out all the kinks to get use to the rotation as I usually am a warlock main lol
This format is so good! Step by step process and very great graphics. Thanks man!
do you think fs damage drops down a lot outside of meta in aoe or is it just my poor performance? do you think ar is better if you prefer constant high damage for every pack?
hmmm, are we using essb before meta now? it feels MUCH better that way but other vids/guides have put essb later in the opener..
It's placed differently for AoE and ST.
other vids (even my ST guide) put essb after meta
@@Jedithtv Thanks for clarifying!!
Is using VR before eyebeam still optimal if you are using the talent that makes eyebeam guaranteed crit? Initiative is crit strike chance not crit strike dmg amp.
hi! just a question,
dash of chaos seems like a nice talent instead of demon hide,
you jump back to your inital point when activated again instead of the damage reduction? just thought its easier in raids and maybe mythic to stop downtime on autoattacks etc? or is there a reason we choose DR instead of dash of chaos?
Demon Hide increases your damage as well.
@@Achachucha it does?! Oooh i read the talent as magic damage take increased! Is it all magic dmg we do is increased then?
@@Snabbeman1 I had to read over it several times myself because Blizz tooltips are always confusing. But reread it yourself: "Magical damage increased by 3%..." :)
hey i have a question did glaive tempest is an obligation for high keys m+ or can we change for a different abilitie without losing too much damage
i cant find where to get scardyns grace
What is the addon that changes the appearance of the damage numbers ?
Jedith, could we get a vod or guide of you in Palace, please? I'd like to see your approach and decode why I'm absolute bootycheeks. I'd also like to see how you shift your talent build for each boss fight since theres a few where we dont need the cleave. Thank you for all you do!
why immo aura/fel rush twice in a row?
use both charges before resetting them with meta / extended Inertia buff
Aldrachi Reaver ignition build, how is that doing?
Love that its more focus on press the right order to do dps than focus on strategies when we play dhs. 20 steps in opener... 7-8 on most of the other classes if even less. More focus on strategies than focus on what button to press :)
Jisus fk christ, i miss the df rotation already, imma just wing it
Hey, what is the Name of these damage numbers font? :)
What addons is that where it shows the skill under the HP bar
theres no way my stoner brain can memorize that opener xD
been trying all day, its possible but HOLY SHIT its a lot.
my normal brain can't memorize this opener !!
19 step opener used every 2 mins 😳
I’m sure in your last video the build you posted mentioned that it would be the best for all content, has that changed?
Nope! Fel scarred is best everywhere
time to grind out m0 before raid hehe
should we cast sequence macro vr and eb as well as vr and meta?
Don’t cast sequence macro anything
why is wow-head recommending Aldrachi reaver in raid and mythic+ ? everytime Im hitting dummies I get more damage as fel-scarred?
it's not - dunno what you're reading
www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/demon-hunter/havoc/mythic-plus-dungeon-tips
@@Jedithtv sorry must of missread
@@Jedithtv got top dps in my group in the first 2 bosses ty for the guides btw
Bro pls do raid guide for talents and etc
Glaive Tempest is also incredible for trash!!! Have that shit off cool down!
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aldrachi reaver PLS!
Appreciate the guide but good God almighty thats a lot...
Do you think there is any prayer for a build that focuses on eyebeam resets?
i play this kind of build in current heroic dungeons and tbh i focus more on the mechanics of the fight instead of dashing in and out of combat and the rotation is much simpler. i average between 800-1mil dmg with 578 gear (just lvled the DH) atm.
pls help I use your immo reset wa and I don't have sound ka ching when it reset but I have don't move rage fire sound
please read the instructions on wago
I install cause media adding and still no ka ching sound it used to work in 10.2 not working when I updated the wa
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Awesome please do Aldrachi too. I think I prefer Aldrachi playstyle.😅
3:40
Can someone explain to me, if you are really hard set on wanting to play a "no mover build", why do you even play DH? Thats like... wanting to play a melee spec but play a mage?
it is like playing a hunter to go melee, makes no sense but can be fun.
And to be fair, until you get used to it, using movement skills in dps rotations doesn't feel good because you just keep getting out of melee and having to use gap closers. Not a problem for DH though, they have enough movement to run laps around the raid.
@@romerus6087 Thats my question, if you dont like using movement in rotation why are you playing DH
@@spaxx8707 well, maybe they like other things about the class, it isn't just "movement". If a pure transformation build was as good as the movement one, I would be playing it because eye beaming is the most fun part for me.
Do not cover Aldrachi Reaver. You can not contribute to people playing that god-awful build.