NO MORE Cloud Sync??! - What’s NEW in Lightroom v7.0 (Oct 2023)
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One of the biggest complaints that Lightroom Classic users have about using Lightroom is that you're forced to sync all imported photos to the cloud, which counts against your total storage. With today's update, that complaint goes away because you can now fully browse and edit your entire local photo library AND choose exactly what you want to sync to the cloud. This is, without a doubt, one of the biggest improvements to Lightroom!
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00:00 - The biggest change to Lightroom is here!
01:08 - Introducing Local Browsing
02:23 - It's an actual file browser
04:13 - Choose which photos to copy to the cloud
05:20 - You can fully edit local photos (HUGE!)
07:09 - Syncing local edits saves to the cloud as Versions
10:11 - Limitations of local browsing
12:45 - Learn how to use Lightroom Everywhere
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*Will the new Local Browse feature make you give Lightroom a shot?*
I've been reluctantly trying it and the latest changes make it much better. I still don't understand why they deviated from long-standing LR standards (e.g., Versions and "z" for "pick"), so I still get confused. I do like how well it integrates with LR Mobile. (Much prefer my 32 inch monitor to a 6 inch screen for editing, and I hate the dark gray text on a darker gray background of LR Mobile.)
Brian, in local are edits saved with the locals? Xmp?, is there a save option? Do you only "save" when you sent to cloud
I'm not happy with saving from a processed images back to LR. Too many extra steps. Also there are no Published Services and I found that very convenient for SmugMug.
How about smart collections? I can live without the missing LrC features in Lr but not having a way of “grouping” your images without having to run a search every single time seems lacking.
I'm with you on that @@gerar10s
Most hobbyists (maybe pros too?) take a lot of crap photos that get tossed after culling/editing to land on the 10% keepers. It makes sense to manage those locally first, then move the keepers into the cloud ecosystem for the access and workflow flexibility you describe. There are other software programs to cull, of course, but it's nice to be able to do it all within one product. It's not perfect, but it is an improvement.
I've been using LR for almost two months after using LRc exclusively for all my photo edits. This new feature makes things the way I wanted them for the longest. Also, I don't necessarily need to purchase more cloud storage. A win win for me for sure. Thank you for the tutorial.
Exactly right! I suppose it'd be understandable to assume that some Classic users would see this feature and think that they have to move entirely over to LR. But, my approach is that this now gives you the ability to dip your toe in the water, see what it's like, and choose exactly what you want to sync without really losing out on any of Classic's core features.
I am a Lr (non-Classic) user and this is going to greatly simplify my workflow. I have a local folder of all my photos in which I try to maintain the same folder structure as my albums in the cloud. Now I will be able to easily view that local structure right in Lr. LOVE this update. Thanks for making this video to explain it so well!
You’re very welcome!
I want to thank you and Matt K for this video and the podcast you did recently on this with him.
Long story short I just migrated from a PC to a Mac Studio. Let's just say moving my LrC catalog has been a total nightmare. I have over 20TB of photos (I know you covered deleting on the podcast but I'm just not there yet). I was really hoping that LrC would be able to access all my photos stored on a NAS with a 10Gb connection from the Studio to the NAS but it just wasn't working. I was having a very hard 4 days making this work.
Yesterday, on the way home from a game (I shoot a lot of sports) I stumbled on the podcast. To be honest it was the first Matt K podcast I have listened to, and it was like you guys were speaking directly to me. I have played around with Lr (as opposed to LrC) but never dove in. I got home last night and dove deep.
Its great. I can download from the card to my local harddrive (I run the import thru Adobe DNG converter because I still prefer DNGs mainly because I don't want to keep track of XMP files, and they're smaller), do my edits, sync my edited shots to the cloud, and then copy the folder over to the NAS, directly in Lr. Meanwhile, browsing through all my old stuff on the NAS is very easy and fast with the 10Gb speed.
I'm not going to repeat all the things you talked about on the pod re some of the requests people want in Lr. I initially didn't know how I'd live without virtual copies but versions seems better - hopefully they will add that to 'Local' soon. I also understand that all the LrC metadata may be overkill but the metadata in Lr is a bit sparse - seems like an easy add. Topaz Photo AI integration would also be nice but that is easy enough to work around by just converting your photos to TIF and then running them all thru PhotoAI directly. Since Lr is a browser and not a catalog the new corrected TIFs just show up in Lr.
Thank you again - the timing of this could not be better!
David
I switched to LR years ago and agree, this is the better version. Having access to my photos across multiple devices means a lot to me. And like you said, people forget that this is a level of backup for the entire library. Thanks for the video. I just subscribed to your channel.
Thanks for the kind words and for the sub, Robert! The fact that syncing in Lightroom is also a powerful form of backup is often lost on many users. Sure, you can use other cloud-based systems to backup your photos (and you really should have some for of cloud backup), but none of them offer a world-class photo editing suite atop it. That's where all of this comes together and makes it unbeatable for me.
Thank you! Very clear and a much needed tutorial on this new feature. Never would have figured it out on my own.
I appreciate that, William!
Thank you so much for going over all this!
You are so welcome!
Hey Brian, nice to hear and see you! Regards from Austria where I an with my photo group at the moment.
I will not even consider switching from Classic until the storage is reasonable - both in price and in size. After watching your video I went to Adobe website trying to find the pricing for different storage amounts but they don't even have a price list available. Only for 1Tb. My photo archives are well above 7Tb so it definitely doesn't seem worth the hassle. Saving only selected images to the cloud while others stay on local disk seems only adding complexity to the workflow so no.
Hey Luka! So great to hear from you! I miss our time roaming around your beautiful country of Slovenia and hope we get to do it again soon. In the meantime, I hope Austria treats you and your workshop attendees well!
I completely understand your hesitation and concern. I've said it numerous times that the next thing Adobe needs to figure out is how to offer larger amounts of cloud storage at a reasonable price so that photographers with huge libraries who want to manage them in the cloud can do so without breaking the bank.
However, I will say that the local browse feature is still huge because it addresses one of the most common requests from Classic users that I've heard over the years. I don't see this as the end of Adobe's plan to get more people to consider Lightroom, but rather the first major step in a long journey.
Great review and how-to! I don't have Classic and use the cloud version and really happy they added Local so now I can edit and save within my external drive.
That's a great question, Betty Lee! Unfortunately, the answer is no. Once you copy a local file to the cloud, you now have two separate instances of it. You can edit and sync local photos as often as you'd like, and an "Auto Version" will be created each time you do. However, if you edit a photo that's in the cloud, those changes will not flow back to the local version. And that's a good thing because it'd be easy for your photos to get totally out of whack when you've got multiple versions, each with their own edits.
Great thank you@@brianmatiash . I actually tested that out before you responded back and you're absolutely right (hence my edited comment). Thanks for the insight about wacky multiple versions. This new update actually saves me the hassle of adding Lightroom Classic and the only reason I'd do that was be able to work off my external drive. This is a win-win for me because I really do like being able to easily access and share photos via cloud. It's seamless!
thanks Brian, you mastered again the art of explaining. I know of no other that can do it as well as you.
Wow! Thank you so much for that! I am very grateful for it.
Simply an awesome video Brian! Great information.
Thanks so much, Jeff!
Great video- and great discussion with Matt K on his podcast. 2 questions: 1. Where is the metadata for the changes that you make? There's no longer a catalog of those changes- are sidecar files being used? 2: What exactly are you uploading to the cloud when you synch- the raw file or jpg? And if a raw file, again- where's the data being stored that reflects how that file will be generated? Thank you- looking forward to starting your Lightroom Everywhere course!
Very interesting because my account due renewal today. the local storage was the reason that I switched from Classic to Lightroom today. Good video so I have subbed.
Glad you found the video helpful and happy to have you here!
I would love a video that talks about local storage in great detail for Lightroom mobile. Including how to work retroactively. Let's say I have a whole year's worth of stuff that I've put on an external drive. How would that backup look like, if I just exported them as DNG + Settings? Should I just start afresh (by erasing what I've backed up) and backup locally to that drive? Also if I am on my work computer, and I hit back up local, I guess it will ask for where I want to back up, or does it just start backing up on the computer itself? Just some ideas for your next video, I guess.
This is such a great workflow. I hated spending all that bandwidth to import everything and then delete most of them after.
Very interesting video, thank you. I came to it from watching your podcast with Matt K. I’ve downloaded Lr and had a play - taken into account all the positives you mention. Many questions and some concerns though. You showed how you can access your folders easily. True, but surely these are the unedited original versions as the edits are in LrC? I shoot rugby and have a decade or so’s worth of images, many synced in collections (games). I like the idea of them being copies rather than originals. I can share the collections with my audience and the copies are good enough for local newspapers to print. I fear that if I copied all of these to the cloud full size, I’d very quickly reach my limit. I would very much like to make the switch but for now I don’t see it as being possible for me. Thanks again!
Great thanks for the simple and important explanations.
Can you suggest me the simple workflow to move lots of pictures from my cloud that are not really good in Local files? I used to delete those back days when we don't have the option to go for local files.
Well, that is a lot to wrap around my head! Some good info, I think you explained very well. Yes, I am a classic user, and does offer a glimpse of how there could be a shared life. So if I may ask you or others on this. Before this last update. I would take a photo from my phone and would magically show up on my desktop classic.I somehow had a folder on my desktop. It just worked, now it does not. Phone pics do not show on the desktop (LR classic), they show up in LR but not in the folder for camera photos that was set up? So what happened? if so how do I fix it? I also liked being able to show clients on my iPad their images that were synced to LR. What I still do not want is everything that I have ever taken to show up in LR.I definitely will have to watch it again THANK YOU!!!!
Hey Brian, thank you so much for this detailed explanation, it is really helpful!! I don't have enough space to "Storage a copy of all originals" so I was wondering if this feature would work with an external hard drive? Thanks again and regards from Argentina!!
Great video - thank you. This is a really useful feature which I will use a lot for future images I upload, but is there an easy way to move images already stored in the cloud in Lightroom back down to local storage? Thanks.
Hi Brian,great video and thanks for the update. There is a assumption that everyone always has a good internet connection and for US, most of Europe and many other parts of the world that is correct however in many parts of the world that is just not the case so LR Classic is a godsend. I live in Singapore where we have up to a 2gB internet connection but travel to some of the surrounding countries and we are into the low MBPS connection speeds so syncing hundreds of large raw files is just not possible. Many of the US Based software companies forget this , just hope Adobe continues to maintain LR Classic.
Three days ago I made the final switch from using both versions to using just LR (except for specific reasons I may use Classic)
For testing I have just been shooting small object STILLS placed on my desk. (makes it easy to switch from shooting to the Mac 😉)
iPhone 14 Pro Max / Pro Camera app. That app allows for exporting (sharing) to LR - that's about as simple as it can be!
That camera app also can AirDrop to my Mac which sets up a good scenario for testing the Local tab features.
I think I'm liking the LR Local Tab feature more and more as I test further.
Big changes! As a LrC user there's LOTS to think about. thanks - Tim
This is exactly what I love to hear!
Hey Brian! Hope you are well. I've had this video in a tab waiting to watch it and finally got to it this morning. I'm a pretty hardcore Classic user and for me it really comes down to the idea of thinking of the cloud as the canonical version. LR embraces this method, but like others here in the comments, I have many terrabytes of images stored locally and there's no reasonable way to have all those stored in CC. That means I have to choose what I want to store in the cloud. It's just another step that doesn't seem worth it as I generally only use one computer for photo editing and management.
I'm also just very used to the classic interface for editing and find the Cloud/mobile version slow and clunky.
Hey Dan! It's great to hear from you, man!
I see this Local browse feature as one of Adobe's first major overtures to get those Classic users who may be on the fence about switching to give it a shot by removing the requirement to sync all imported photos to the cloud. I also believe that this experience will only get better and more streamlined. And if Adobe can aggressively adjust the pricing of expanded cloud storage, I think that'll convince even more people to make the switch. But you are correct in that it'd serve any LR user best to see the cloud version of all images as canonical.
In terms of having many terabytes of photos, I challenge you on that. I don't doubt that you have multiple terabytes of photos. I used to have about 9 TB of photos. However, I can guarantee you that the vast majority of them didn't need to exist. I don't think I even have 1-2 TB of photos that I need to keep. We've been trained to keep every single photo that we take because local storage prices have become negligible.
However, not every photo taken needs to be kept. That's just the hard truth. A lot of my photos are either duplicates from me shooting burst mode sequences (where I really only need 1-2 of the best shots) or they're bracketed exposures for HDR that I obsessively took early in my photography career. I mean, I bracketed everything. Finally, there are PSD and TIFF files that take up the *vast* majority of my storage space. I can't remember a time when I needed to re-edit the layers of a PSD or TIFF, yet each one is anywhere from 500 MB - 1+ GB. Exporting those as JPEGs and deleting the PSD/TIFF files cut my total photo storage massively.
I bring this up because I know that many photographers are actually interested in adopting a cloud-based workflow, but haven't done what's necessary to cull their libraries to a more manageable size. Even 1 TB is a massive amount of storage, and I suspect that a lot of photographers could whittle their libraries down with some time and effort... and by reminding themselves that it actually is ok to delete photos.
As for the differences between LR and LRC, I can't say much about that. It took me a few days to get used to the new UI, and I now prefer it 100% over LRC. To me, LRC is way too cluttered. Also, LR crushes LRC in terms of performance... at least on my computer.
Hi, is there a video regarding "Sharing" (LR Export equivalent)? I'm new to the tool and can't fine the some settings like LRc has like filenaming convention, auto-storing on a subfolder within the same folder where the originals are, etc. Is that not available or am I looking at the wrong place? The share menu is very limited at the moment. I'm trying to transition to LR instead of LRc.
Firstly thank you for the video Brian. Very much appreciated. I was all ready to move over to Lightroom when I realised you can only search by one folder at a time in the Local tab. Nobody seems to mention it. I think it will be a game changer for me. Do you think Adobe might implement it down the road?
You're most welcome, Phil. You are correct in that searching via Local currently works within the folder you're in. While I have no insight into Adobe's product roadmap, I believe we will see Local get even more functional. Remember, this is a v1.0 implementation, but I'm hopeful about what we'll see down the line.
I get the Copy to Cloud feature, which allows you take images from the local storage and copy them to the cloud. What I am looking for is a way to not have to buy more than the 1TB storage when it is full, and archive a large number of images locally Is the a way to take photos from the cloud and copy/ove them to local storage. That would be pictures that are no more active and worked on in my case, so I do not need to maintain easy cross-platform access to them. Seems like the feature is designed to support local storage with an incentive to move stuff to the cloud , but does not let you go the other way around without exporting.
I really appreciate the effort to produce this video. I'm starting to use it and find out some more. My first problem is when I choose EDIT in PS it does not give me a choice which PS I want to use (previously in LRC you did in preferences). Am I missing something. Thanks
When you send a photo from LR to PS, it will open in the latest version installed if my memory serves me correctly. Also, if you have the beta installed, it’ll open in that version.
One thing you can try is to first launch the version of PS that you want to use and then go to LR and select “edit in PS”
The thing is with Lightroom Classic you can still backup a copy of your full library without using any cloud space. Is not a full copy, but a smart preview.
So what I do is Sync everything on Lightroom classic and then use the smart preview on lightroom and lightroom mobile. I made all the edits there, and then if I need a full-resolution version I just go to the computer and export that. But 90% of the time the exported smart preview is enough.
I generally use Adobe Bridge to make ACR edits and manually organize my photos by folders. Now that we have a new version of Lightroom for MacOS, (not Classic) that enables local file browsing, I was stoked to try out the mobile version for my iPad. But I was greatly disappointed to find out that you cannot browse an external drive on an iPad the way you can with a MacBook. Why do they make it so hard!? I have an external SSD for my archive photos, and I can see the photos with the Files app and other file browsers, but they will not show the ACR edits. I just want the mobile Lightroom app to function like the desktop version and let me browse an external drive without importing to the cloud. SO frustrating…The iPad is perfect for photo browsing, but it’s like everything is on lockdown. And no other software seems to read ACR edits. Why, why, why???! 😖
So quick question -- Does LR have *all* of the features that exist in LRC? Lack of local support was the biggest reason I stuck with Classic, but I also have concerns that a tool I may depend on will be missing.....thanks
Great video! I’m a classic user and this is pretty tempting to me. I’d like to switch to the cloud version, keeping all my old photos local only and all future photos in the cloud. Do you have a video about that, or would you consider making one?
Thank you, Frank! I do cover this particular workflow extensively in my course, Lightroom Everywhere. However, the process is pretty straightforward. If you're happy with how your old photos are currently stored locally, then there isn't much to do. All you'd do going forward is use Lightroom's Cloud tab to import your new photos. Those would automatically get backed up, and sync to all of your devices.
Maybe completely crazy question but hope to get some clarity...I am LrC person, I am ok with the import BUT from time to time I use my Android to take photos. IF I want then to make a quick work with them, and if I forgot to use Lr app to take a photo and I can move the photo to Lr app in my mobile. Great, but the if I want to make my work on my Mac will this photo be on the Cloud storage?
I would like to make the move from LRC to LR with this new Local update. I do have a question, which I have looked on the galactic interwebs and haven't found so I assume it is a no. Is there a way to customize the edit "panel" in LR like there is in LRC? I have moved the panels I never use to the bottom and created a "top-down" type workflow in LRC by rearranging things. It would be nice to have that same feature in LR.
I think it’s fantastic that you’re considering the move. I’m obviously biased about it, though. 😄
As for your question - unfortunately, it’s not possible to rearrange the order of LR’s edit panel. But, that’s not to say that Adobe couldn’t add it in the future.
Great video! My first thought after seeing this is do we even need classic anymore? If I could have local store on Lightroom, which tends to be faster than classic and then I have the same interface on my iPad and iphone then what is the need for classic?
I think that there will always be a portion of Lightroom users who will insist on using Classic, and that's totally fine. However, it's getting harder to find the major benefits of a Classic workflow these days. I will admit that Adobe still has work to do in terms of making cloud storage more affordable. If they can do that, I suspect we'll see even more Classic users switch over.
That's an excellent overview - thank you. What I don't yet understand is how to get the workflow right: up until now, iPhone photos would sync to Lightroom Mobile / Adobe Cloud and would be available in both Lightroom CC and Lightroom Classic (in an automated target folder). If I drop Lightroom Classic now (which I'm ready to do), I still have incoming pics in Lightroom CC, but not on the local drive anymore. In other words: the ability to upload pictures to the cloud from the "local" view is great, but technically I'd need it the other way round and get selected images from the cloud to de-sync and just be local. (Yes, exporting and putting them in a folder, then delete in LR CC, but that would be a very clunky workflow, wouldn't it?).
If you enable the option to store local copies of all photos within Lightroom's preferences (on the desktop), then all images imported from your phone's camera roll would be synced to the cloud and downloaded to a local drive/folder of your choosing. Granted, only the file itself would be downloaded and not the edit history because that is all managed in the cloud. Does that help?
It does, thanks so much for replying.@@brianmatiash
My pleasure!
I need to edit videos along with photos, can this new version edit videos ? I have both , but not sure which one to work out of. Thanks
I like this idea...but the fact is that some functions are still only available in Lightroom Classic, like as you mentioned still deterrents me from switching fully. But I believe eventually Adobe will combine the two as it doesn't make sense for Adobe to keep supporting two code bases. I am perfectly fine with that, I like the new design and layout. At least they are making strides to that point but, for me, for now, I'll be sticking with Classic. Great video though!! You're easy to listen to.
Thanks so much, Nerwin! I'd love to know which Classic features are keeping you from making a full-on switch.
@@brianmatiash I don't know a ton about the newer Lightroom version but by the looks of it in your video, the local option seems to be pretty minimal in terms of having ways to organize like with collections and tags, etc like how you can in Classic. I could be wrong, but it seems like photos would require to be uploaded to cloud to be able to do those things.
You're not wrong, mate. The Local browse is effectively a window to your photo library as you've organized it yourself. You can create new folders, rename folders and files, and move/delete files as you would with a standard file browser. You also have keyword and rating support (stars and flags). Lightroom, as a whole, does not have collections support, so that was never in the cards. Lightroom uses a Folder/Album structure to organize cloud-based images. Ironically, you can only change filenames locally, but not with cloud-synced files.
As far as I can tell, files need to be copied to the cloud in order to use stacking, AI search, and versions control. Just about every other Lightroom feature is available locally.
@@brianmatiash I have made the switch but there’s one feature in Classic that I sorely miss: Survey View. I used it as a really quick way to blast through a set of similar photos to get the best one. I found it kind of fun to use as well. Bridge has something called Review mode, and I know they’ve added Compare View to Lr, but they are just not the same.
@davep6603 not gonna lie, I do miss Survey view. Compare is ok, but it’s kinda limiting to review one photo against another. The thing is, I wouldn’t rule out seeing this feature down the line. I mean, I wouldn’t hold my breath either, but I think we’ll see something eventually.
I am currently using LR Classic but this has me curious about the switch. Am I right in thinking that using files from local storage means all previous edits (stored in my catalog) would be lost? Is there a way round this?
But if I sync to the cloud, and then edit on the cloud, let's say when I'm traveling or wherever, then the edits aren't ever synced up to the images on my desktop, so what exactly does this help with? I can pull up the ones on the cloud when I'm back on my computer, but then the ones on my hard drive don't have any of that data synced back with them, and that is only stored on the cloud?
Hi, great video. If I sync my cloud files to a local external hard drive, do those "backups" get deleted if I remove from cloud? I love the cloud sync for travel as I can upload direct to cloud and edit across devices, but then when home or on wifi - I want to snack up the files and keep them secure and perhaps reduce the capacity within the cloud.
If you sync a photo to the cloud and enable the option to "store a copy of all originals," Lightroom will download a copy of that original file to the local destination you choose. No edits are downloaded, though. That is all managed by Lightroom in the cloud. The local backup file is there solely for your peace of mind.
Now, if you delete that photo from the cloud, it'll be placed in a Deleted folder. That photo will remain there for 60 days, whereby you can either choose to restore it or purge it manually before that time is up. After 60 days, Lightroom will automatically purge that photo. Here's the important point. When that photo is purged, whether it's because you did so manually before those 60 days or after the 60 days are up, the photo will be gone from the cloud AND from your local backup copy. Lightroom will delete it from both places. So, if you want to still retain a local copy, you'll first have to make a copy of that local file to another location.
I do cover this workflow, and many other important ones, in great detail in my course, Lightroom Everywhere. www.matiash.com/lightroomeverywhere?
It seems that I lost the ability to use the features of the library filter. For example, how would I search for all pictures taken in October 2023 with my Lumix G9?
Brian
I opened LR and got message couldn[t use denoise on smart preview. doesn’t happen in LRC
I am a 100% LR user and installed LRC after i saw a video where someone explained how to sync your Cloudphotos with LRC offline on a HDD/SDD (In or external). What i prefer with the LR + LRC methode is that i can move complete Albums and folders on to my external SSD desync with the Cloud to free up some space of Cloud storage and still have it in my Album / folder structer. After i heard of the LR Local update i hoped it would be the same but i am a little bit disappointed how it works at the moment. Sorry for my bad english but i hope it was understandable.
Does the copy of the image in the cloud include the original edits/layers in the local version?
are you able to move photos from icloud to local stoage? or only the other way around?
In Lightroom Classic, I can sync using Smart Previews and that's thousands of files that barely even touch my alloted 20 GB. And I've never seen a difference between Smart Previews and acutal files.
So what is the advantage of Lightroom over that?
Have they changed the syncing methodology from classic to cloud?
I use the Lightroom for cloud (on my iPad) quite extensively. It is my primary editing method. But my primary catalogue is Lightroom Classic. I like that the files in the cloud are not the original files and, hence, don’t take up a lot of space and don’t count against my storage quota. Also, my catalogue already is keyworded in classic so it will take a lot of work to switch over. Having said that, I am sure that within the next few years I will have to switch over completely because it will make sense to do so.
As far as I know, no changes have been made in the way Classic syncs up to Cloud. It’s still the same smart previews that do not count against your quota. I do hope that Adobe makes their cloud storage plans priced in such a way that allows users to expand without destroying their wallets.
I’m not sure if you know, but Lightroom has a Classic Catalog migration function that will port everything over, including your keywords. I cover that process extensively in my Lightroom Everywhere course.
@@brianmatiash thanks for the quick reply. No, I did not know that. But the cost is still prohibitive. Although these changes will definitely make me think a little harder about finding ways to making the change.
And just like that-on Lightroom Mobile we also have local storage (minutes ago). Also lens blur, HDR and a bunch of stuff that is best spread over several videos.
The Device tab on LR mobile has been there for some time - it’s not part of this latest update (assuming that’s what you’re referring to) But, it’s an excellent addition nonetheless.
I do have separate videos for the other major features that will be published over the next few days. I’ll publish my Blur Tool video tomorrow. 👍🏼
What I would like to see in the cloud is presets. To use the same set of presets either on your laptop, PC, iPad, phone whatever regardless if you are using LR, LrC That would be nice.
I'm trying it out but they're missing a huge feature, we need to be able to browse a folder or drive and see everything in the folders inside it so we basically can have a library view and not just view each individual folder's photos 1 folder deep
Hi Brain , thank you for this information.
Does that mean, that I do not need the „migration“ of Lightroom Classic Catalogues to Lightroom anymore? I did this until now to transfer my tags in the Masterdata of the pictures to Lightroom…
That's basically correct. Lightroom's Local browse will read the metadata embedded in your photos, including star ratings, keywords, etc. The LRC catalog migration feature is there if/when you're ready to fully migrate all of your catalog's contents to LR for cloud syncing.
Interesting and nice new feature!
But you mentioned that you like the fact that you can access and edit all your photos across all your devices and online from anywhere.
You can do the same with Lightroom Classic using the sync feature and upload your entire catalog if you wish.
The only difference is that you don't have a backup of the original file in the cloud. Just a smaller "smart preview" of the original is in the cloud.
Having access to the original, full resolution file is actually a huge benefit for me and anyone else who uses the LR to sync and backup their photos to the cloud. I also prefer how much more streamlined LR is compared to Classic.
after watching this vid , I thought I will give Lr another try .. I went watched your video another time carefully , but I have two questions though .. Q#1 suppose you created a folder locally via Lr new local management feature, how do we import or add folders to it ?? from a local source and or from the Lr cloud. .... Q#2 how do I localize a photo or a group of photos ?? thank you !
Local browse has no concept of importing new images. All you'd do is copy any new photos to the local folder and LR will automatically see them. It's different with your cloud library. For that, you'd need to add your photos so that they get synced.
I'm not sure what you mean by "localize a photo or a group of photos."
@@brianmatiash Thanks allot for responding .. on the first point , do you mean adding photos to the folders via "macOS finder" ! but then this is not consistence with the concept of having all the folders being managed from the Lr itself not the other way around .. in regard to "localizing" I meant what if I take a photo with Lr on the iPhone, have it synced to my cloud account and then want to store it locally along with the other photos locally on my Mac ? cloud to local hd
This is great. I'm still a classic user. However, once they get the stacking into Lightroom I will switch. Hopefully next year.
I can see why stacking isn't available in the Local browse mode, but I can also absolutely see how that could confuse users where they can stack in the Cloud tab, but not in Local.
I'm with you - I'd love to see it come in a future update.
Finally, I can edit in Lightroom like I've been doing in Adobe Bridge for years 😃 Eventually they will figure out the file/folder naming issue and then Lightroom will be a worthy altrenative to Bridge 😉
Nice! I might actually use Lightroom now. So far I've just been using Bridge and then "Edit with Camera Raw" so I can keep all my files local without making dumbass "libraries" that take up double the storage space.
Can you set auto advance? I thought this version would be great to quickly do a rate and cull without importing. But it doesn't seem to offer auto advance. If so then it won't be for me. Can anyone advise if it does?
While there isn't an auto advance option, if you hold the Shift key while pressing on 0-5 (for stars) or the flag keyboard shortcuts, it will apply that rating and move to the next image. It's as close to auto advance as I could find.
@@brianmatiash Thanks so much Brian. I will check it out.
I`d love access to my photos across multiple devices, but not if it means giving up in any way Lightroom Classic and yes I know this is about Lightroom V7.0, but posting this in the hope Adobe reads these YT channels by guys like you Brian. I`d maybe like the chance to use Lightroom on the web, it would be handy when I go on holiday, but not if it changes my relationship with LRC in any way.
Fortunately, I don't think that LRC is going away anytime soon. However, I would bet that, eventually, it will be consolidated into Lightroom. I could absolutely be wrong, but that's my hunch.
Just finished your class and switched to LR...with this new change if I edit a local image how does LR save the edits if I never sync it to the cloud? Is there a default database that's hidden in LR?
Great to see you here, Randy! And it has been a blast catching up with you in the course. As for the edits, if you go to Lightroom's Preferences, then go to the Cache tab, you'll see "Cache on: [Drive Name]". You can click on that drive name. When you do, you'll be brought to the folder where LR stores all of its local info. Let me know if that helps.
@@brianmatiash So if I edit a local image and say change the crop... as long as I don't delete the cache that local image in LR will show the crop.
OK, let's just end this argument/discussion. Why not introduce a "Local" tab in LRC and be done with it. This would truly give the best of both worlds. LRC ignores everything on your hard drive so introducing a local tab would be the solution.
I only see the migrate from Lightroom classic option when I'm working with the cloud, and not local. Is there anyway to bring my edit history with me (while not uploading all my TB of photos to the cloud) for local?
Unfortunately, no. As you mentioned, the LRC catalog migration process will indeed port over your images, collections, and edit history... into the Cloud tab.
The only thing I can think of at the moment, and you probably won't like this, is to create a separate LRC catalog with the images that you want to bring over and use the LRC migration tool with that one. It's far from ideal, but nothing else comes to mind.
@@brianmatiash I've been thinking about this all day... And I think what I'm going to do is just bring away entire library over without my edits and revisit some of my favorites and maybe redo them with a my newest processing techniques. I think I may have went too heavy or some of the sliders back in the day and this might be a nice refreshing look at some of my images.
Honestly, that is the best bet. It’s basically what I did when I made the switch and I haven’t regretted it once. And you’re 100% correct - there are SO many older photos that were edited so poorly by me that I’d be embarrassed to ever share them these days. So, it’s an excellent opportunity to start with a clean slate, fresh eyes, and more advanced editing tools.
where's the "publish" selection so I can send a link to clients. this is killing my work flow. I don't even see the default yellow indicator for images they chose anymore.
After all that explanation, I’m still wondering if the copied-to-cloud file is left as RAW or is it now a different file format?
And are the subsequent synced edits actually individual files or are they simply referenced as versions despite the fact there’s only one file in the cloud? (Meaning Adobe is making an alias of the edits.)
The file that is copied to the cloud will be whatever the local format is. So, if you copy a RAW file, the actual RAW file will be uploaded and backed up. Same goes for DNGs, JPGs, TIFFs, etc. If you have the backup option enabled in Lightroom, those same original files will be downloaded.
When you make subsequent edits to a local file that you've already synced to the cloud, every time you click on that "Update" button, Lightroom will create a new Auto Version on the cloud copy of that file. Remember - the local file and the cloud file are separate. Edits that you make to that file in the cloud *do not* sync to the local verison. It's kind of a one way street. Let me know if that helps clarify things.
@@brianmatiash thanks for the clarification. That answers my questions 👍🏼
So I made the mistake of saving my photos on the Cloud. How do I sync the edits to the original photos in the local folder? :\
In other words, Lr now has Copy to cloud but not Sync to cloud. Copy is one-way. Sync is two-way.
What is the use of Cloud if you cannot edit on it and then sync your changes to the local version? Is this cloud merely a storage? Poof.
I have been using cloud Lightroom for 3 years now and Love it, this is a brilliant new feature but have found it buggy on Windows 11. It sometimes doesn't show any local files and I jave to logout and reboot which is really frustrating, I think others have this issue too. Hopefully Adobe will fix these issues.
Oh wow - I haven't heard of any issues with Local browse, but I've only been exposed to the Mac version of the app. I definitely recommend reaching out to Adobe's support team with this. My hope is that the stability will improve with a maintenance update.
Hey Brian, is it possible and how to move my cloud pics to local?
I have the same question...
I give up. Can't work out how to get my lightroom classic catalogue into lightroom v7.0. "Not enough cloud storage" is what it says. I've got a catalogue that goes back 15 years which is why I've only used CC for importing new shots via iPad when travelling. I just want to be able to look at my local storage with the edits and occasionally put them into the cloud. More often than not it will be the other way round, going from cloud to local.
The only way to get your entire LR Catalog into Lightroom is to use its migration tool which will check to see whether you have sufficient cloud storage first. While you can sync your catalog in Lightroom Classic, it'll only upload smart previews... which don't count against your cloud storage quota and is usually more than adequate for most use cases. If you want to store all of your original files, then you'll either have to use the migration tool and ensure enough space or you can use the local browse in Lightroom. In my tests, when I browse to a folder with an image that I edited in Classic, I do see the edits reflected in Lightroom. From there, I can choose specific images or folders to manually copy to the cloud.
@@brianmatiash that's interesting to know. I will give it a go tomorrow and see what happens. I suspect several hours of removing things from cloud storage after it grinds to a halt.
Can someone please explain how I get to the Print Module? I cannot find it anywhere
There is no Print module.
LrC has a publish service...do you know if Lr has something similar?
It does, but the options are kind of limited. There are connections for SmugMug, Blurb, and WHCC, and a few others that I can’t recall.
@@brianmatiash Thanks!!
Is there a way to move photos that are currently in the cloud to a local drive and maintain the edit history?
Not that I'm aware of. When Lightroom downloads your original files (assuming you have that option enabled), only the file itself is retrieved. The edit history is managed by Adobe in the cloud. You can export an edited file as Original + Settings to get that info, but it is not done automatically.
I do cover this workflow, and many other important ones, in great detail in my course, Lightroom Everywhere. www.matiash.com/lightroomeverywhere?
This video doesn't seem to address the title of the video, "NO MORE Cloud Sync??!". You seem to be saying that you can still upload files to the cloud, but the uploaded files are copies that are not the same as the files stored locally? But can I still access them anywhere, in any software?
That’s correct. You can sync files to the cloud. But unlike before Local was introduced, *you don’t have to*. If you do sync a photo to the cloud, you will have two copies: the local one and the cloud one. You can continue to sync changes from local to cloud (although it requires you to manually click the copy button each time), however the opposite is not true. Edits to the cloud copy will not sync to the local copy.
That’s why I advocate for using all cloud-synced photos as the primary version and keeping the local copy as a backup.
And yes, any image copied to the cloud will be available on all devices that have Lightroom (and where you’re signed in with your Adobe ID).
Just tried, but if you have more than 1TB of raw you're going to pay a lot for the cloud storag because the new local storage feature doesn't have local albums, they're still cloud only. So you have a plain file organisations on your drive without any way to organise them.
I'm not sure I understand. You can organize your local files however you like and LR will navigate them accordingly. If you're referring to the local folders not syncing to the cloud when you copy them, then you are correct and I agree that Adobe could do a better job of synchronizing the folders that are copied up.
@@brianmatiash Who uses LrC generally organize raws by date and then use collections and tags to group them differently without touching the file system. With Lr local storage the folders and albums are only for the cloud synced files while local files rely only on filesystem
This does not apply to Lightroom on ipad right?
Simple question: local edits are great, after the local edit you sync it to the cloud and want to edit further on the ipad. Now the edits on the ipad syncs to the cloud.
Now you have 2 edits, one locally and a cloud edit based on the local edit. How do we sync those 2 files where the cloud version is the latest version of your edit.
It’s a fair question. The truth is that the cloud version of any photo should be considered the master record. As soon as you copy a photo from Local to Cloud, you have two instances of it and that’s just how it is.
My recommendation is to only edit the cloud copy of any photo that you choose to copy there and leave the local version alone. Does that make sense?
@@brianmatiash Yes, it makes sense in the way how it works for now. Such an approach could work when culling locally and editing the culled photos in the cloud.
That being said, an option to overwrite the local OR the cloud version for the made edits with a simple timestamp check would be preferred. Why else can we edit locally? That would make perfect sense right?
One step further: by choice and only by choice we should have the option to choose we upload smart previews and raw files or update/attach a raw file to a smart previews when needed.
@AngelusHD so the Raw vs smart preview debate… I don’t see that ever happening because Adobe made their primary value proposition known in that with LR, you know that you’re original files are synced and backed up to the cloud. I think the whole Smart Preview sync in LRC was more of an olive branch to those users, but I have zero actual insight there.
Regarding local editing, I mean… you can continue to sync edits from local to cloud and they will be saved as Auto versions with timestamps and all. It’s probably the best case scenario when working in a hybrid local/cloud environment. I think the primary point of Local is to allow users to browse and select what they want to sync instead of an all-or-nothing approach.
@@brianmatiash thanks for the smart preview clarification. And thanks 🙏 for the video, very nice explanation which gives me a great starting point for LR CC
There is only one thing, what happens when you edit your cloud files and export your edited files. After that i want the free up my cloud storage but want to preserve my edits of the files. The reason could be that you want to change some small things to an edit. If this is not possible how can the cloud be the master* 😊
I’m going to try this new update tomorrow, always been a LRc user but having an ipad pro for quick edits makes it a not so good experience. I think this new update will be better but has some flaws, i really hope they fix it in the near future.
@@brianmatiash I’ve tried LR 7.0 and it works as you showed us in the video.
There is no sync to local from the cloud BUT i found a way that works for me 🎉
The Cloud is the Master untill you are done/finisht with them. you can Export it as Orginals+Adjustments. These Adjustments are in XMP files, just delete the RAW’s and copy/move the XMP files and apply them on where the original foto’s that are stored locally and when you restart LR all the adjustments you made in the Cloud are now Local.
Now you can safely delete the Cloud files until you need them again.
HF and thanks
Is it possible to 'Edit In' another software suite.
Sort of. You first have to send the image to Photoshop, and then you can open it in a supported 3rd party app.
The trouble with Lightroom and Lightroom Classic is that you can only move images to folders that are already imported into the app. If I want to work on something, then move it a folder on my computer that isn't in the Lightroom catalog, I'm out of luck. Am I missing something?
That's kind of the case with Lightroom Classic because it uses a catalog infrastructure which tracks the location of images. However, if you move images from one folder to another WITHIN Classic, that works fine. The trouble is if you move the file to a folder not already in Classic, as you mentioned. You can certainly do it, but that'll break the record in Classic, so you'll want to remove it from the catalog.
@@brianmatiash Thanks for the reply. It mirrors what I've experienced.
3:31 "Actual backups of your original files" - honestly not trying to be pedantic, but are these photos really backed up ...in the traditional understanding of what a backup is? Can a deleted file be recovered, or a corrupted file be reverted to an earlier version?
Totally fair question, David. In my book, cloud backup means that I can view/browse and retrieve the file from any device that has an internet connection, and Adobe does offer that function. In the event that my laptop blows up along with my local external drive that has all of my images backed up, I can get a new laptop and hard drive, launch Lightroom, and have every single original file downloaded locally. So we're good there.
Can a deleted file be recovered? Yup, but within reason. When you delete a photo that has been synced to the cloud in Lightroom, regardless of the device, it is placed in a "Deleted" folder. That folder will store your deleted photo for 60 days, after which it will be permanently deleted. At any time during those 60 days and from any device, you could restore that photo to its original location and manually purge it. So we're good there. It's important to make the distinction, as I did in this video, that this is not the case with the Local browse feature. That is a standard file browser and will delete any local file by moving it to the local Recycle Bin.
As for corrupted files, I've never experienced that before. Adobe has significant fault tolerances and system checks that reasonably prevent corruption. However, in the event that some local files associated with Lightroom get corrupted, all you need to do is uninstall and reinstall the app. Because the photos and edit history are stored in the cloud, there are no material concerns about recovering from a corruption. So, we're good here.
Let me know if this addresses your questions. Like I said, it's a great thing to ask, and I'm glad I had the chance to provide some context.
One big miss, no support for the iPad Pro with this very useful feature. Hopefully this will be coming soon. That said, I agree this is a big deal. On a side note,I was ticked that they added a Blur and HDR tool.
The good news is that Lightroom already has this feature on the iPad and iPhone! Click on the Device tab at the bottom (to the left of Lightroom). That will allow you to browse your entire local camera roll. The only hitch is that if you begin editing a photo, it will automatically get copied to the cloud.
@@brianmatiash Thanks this is very useful, but it would be far more useful for my purposes of being able read off an external drive, where I keep most of my work, still, they are at long last moving in the right direction.
@@cameraman655 Ahhhh yes. I agree with that 10000000%. The thing is that I'm not sure whether the limitation is an Apple thing or an Adobe thing. But, with the recent iPhone 15 Pro Max update that allows writing to an external drive when filming ProRes 4K/60, I hope that Apple continues to expand the usability of the USB-C port by letting all apps read and write to external drives. Fortunately, I think it's a matter of when and not if.
@@brianmatiash No doubt…Regarding the iPhone 15, that bit of information about attaching an external drive (for videos at the moment), convinced me (along with the 2000knts display and USB-C) to upgrade my from my iPhone 11 to the ‘15’ Pro Max. It's time to retire the 11.
I think the limitation is at Adobe, because other iOS apps such as RAW Power have been able to edit image files in place in Files app folders for some time. For example, RAW Power can work with images in any Files app folder on the iPad or external storage.
I do not see this option in my version. I have v6.5 and the Adobe app says it is up to date. Is this a beta version you are showing?
Nope. This is publicly available as Lightroom v7.0. Try quitting and restarting your Creative Cloud app or reboot your computer. But rest assured that this is a public release.
@@brianmatiash Thanks! When I logged in this morning, v7 was available for download. Maybe they are doing a staggered release. Thanks for the quick reply!
I've always used Lightroom Mobile, but I'm already touching the 2TB mark and now the only upgrade is 4TB. Is this something that can be turned on and off in Lightroom Mobile too? I've started manually exporting the images to another disk to reduce the amount in the cloud. And thanks again, because though I don't use Classic, this is a great, well explained tutorial.
Lightroom Mobile does have a local camera roll browser of sorts called "Device." It's at the bottom of the UI to the left of the "Lightroom" tab. While you can control whether new images saved to your phone's camera roll get auto-imported or not, there is not much else there in terms of options. And while you can locally browse your camera roll in Lightroom, if you begin editing a photo, it will automatically get synced to the cloud.
As for your storage quota, I could be wrong but I believe your next jump would be to 5 TB. My understanding is that Adobe offers 1 TB, 2 TB, 5 TB, and 10 TB options, but nothing in between. Please let me know if I'm mistaken there.
I spoke to them just last weekend. They suggested that 4 TB is the next step up.
However, the downside is that it takes effect immediately. Which means that if you are at the starting point of your subscription for that year, then they don’t consider that factor at all. You start paying for the entire 4 TB right away.
Oh wow, really? It’s not prorated? That’s kinda nuts. And thanks for confirming that 4 TB is an option!
Is there a way to roundtrip to photoshop and thereby use plugins?
That's an excellent question. The good news is that you can! If you right-click on a photo, you can select "Edit in Photoshop." Lightroom will open a TIFF document in PS, where you can edit the image however you'd like. When you save it, PS will create that TIFF file and it'll appear in the local folder next to the original file.
@@brianmatiash Fantastic!! I will probably switch!! Thank you so much for yet a great video!
Woohoo! I think it’s the right move! Let me know if you do end up switching.
How can you put photo's from the Cloud to Local?
You can either export a cloud-synced photo or enable the option to store local copies of original files.
The bigest issue for me is that you can't geolocate your photos in LR like in LRC
What do you mean? You can add geotag metadata to your photos in Lightroom. Unless you’re referring to the Map module where you can see your tagged photos plotted on a map. If that’s what you mean, then you are correct. But, it’s not something that would keep me from using it.
@@brianmatiash Yes, that's what I meant. Tks
Any thoughts on Feb 2024 and the ceasing cloud synching? Frankly I feel betrayed after 25+ years of purchasing their software and later the subscriptions.
Just to clarify, adobe cloud syncing isn’t ceasing as in the storage method used for Lightroom, etc.
What is being discontinued is Creative Cloud Synced Files. You can learn more about it here: helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/kb/eol-creative-cloud-synced-files.html#:~:text=Starting%20February%201%2C%202024%2C%20Adobe,Cloud%20for%20Teams%20business%20account.
@@brianmatiash Thanks, I see that I may have overreacted a bit.
One last annoying question. I am running dangerously low on my 2tb storage (428gb left), however there does not seem to be any way of buying additional storage, or am I missing something ?
@cameraman655 you can certainly purchase additional cloud storage, but you’ll want to contact Adobe Support to help with that because I believe there are certain storage amounts that you’ll have to choose from.
Didn’t find on iPad the Local tab. Is it only on computer?
The iPad has a tab called Device, which allows you to browse the local camera roll.
@@brianmatiash yeah I know that, I wish I could browse the file folders... And edit without uploading. Seems that on iPad you must upload before edit
Ahh, I see what you mean. Yeah, unfortunately there is no way for LR on the iPad to browse the local file structure the way that you can with the Files app. I would LOVE to see that come to the iPad and iPhone... and that may happen eventually. Apple is showing signs of allowing 3rd party apps to access the local file system and external drives, which would seriously enhance the LR experience on mobile devices.
And you are correct - as soon as you begin editing a "device" photo, it automatically gets copied to the cloud.
That right there is the deal killer for me. I’ve been using LRc since v 3.0. My biggest problem is when I travel and don’t have an internet connection or one that can’t handle the upload from a days shooting. I therefore bring a laptop with LRc on it and use that catalog, when I get home, I merge it with my desktop catalog. I’m one of the people who have been asking for Local storage for YEARS. But if I have to bring the laptop to use LR CC anyway, where’s the benefit? I’d much rather have the same functionality on my iPad for travel. When that happens, I will look very hard a migrating over.
Nice video, I’m new here and your content is well done! I’m binging on your videos now.
does not adobe cancel all cloud storage next year ?
Nope. They’re sunsetting Creative Cloud Synced Files: helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/kb/eol-creative-cloud-synced-files.html#:~:text=Starting%20February%201%2C%202024%2C%20Adobe,Cloud%20for%20Teams%20business%20account.
I do not have these tabs. are you showing us your LR or LRC?
Everything I do on this channel (for the past year or so) focuses on Lightroom Desktop and Mobile, not Classic.
thanks for answering so quickly@@brianmatiash
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It's definitely not faster - at leasn not on the PC!
Hope this is coming to iPad
I simply don't know where you're coming from! I use Lightroom Classic and I have never synced to the cloud, but always stored my images locally. You are not forced to cloud sync, you just don't bother to switch it on!!!
I like that Adobe is listening and continuing to develop Lightroom. That being said, I am a Classic only user. I am willing to try Lightroom to see if the performance is better on my older computer. I'm not sure I like the complexity of files in the cloud, files locally, and original files backed up elsewhere and versions popping up. The confusion doesn't seem worth it for my workflow, but it is interesting.
I will say that LR has always been much faster than LRC, at least in my experience. That’s the benefit of being built atop a newer code base.
As for the complexity of this newer workflow, that’s the compromise with having a fully local file browser/editor. It’d be much more complex for Lightroom to have to call back to local original files every time a change is made. That’s why the cloud-based files and edits are considered the master records, and why I’d want users to really understand how edits are managed in cloud vs local. Still, I think this will only get better over time.
But why isnt my cloud syncing to my account? I dont see some photos on my ipad that i edited there and vice versa? how do I sync both to cloud so I have all on both accounts. They are already on the cloud section and i have nothing on the local except my drives