I don't understand why you only have 6.7k subs'. You should have way more subscribers. Content is too good. The subscribers are coming my man, as well as the sub 3 marathon.
I really appreciated this post, as someone who had a similar experience at Chicago last month. Hard for anyone outside of the marathon running space to understand the grief of a disappointing race. Such a bittersweet feeling-the sense of pride in knowing the body of work you put in mixed with the let down of coming up short of your high expectations. I totally get it. But, in a way, those moments make the marathon all that more rewarding when one finally goes your way. Your’s is coming! Keep running and using those hard lessons to get better. You aren’t alone out there. Thanks for sharing your story!
So happy to see you in good spirits Andrew after a difficult race. I was one of the people who told you to not hold back and race to your potential and not an arbitrary sub-3 goal and I stand by that. You just got too excited and overworked yourself - now you have more experience and you know exactly how to prepare for the next one when that time comes. Speaking for the midlife runners out there, we are proud of you, you DO hard things and inspire us all. Now just take care of yourself - we'll be here no matter what. Also, I feel your pain when you're sitting down - I raced a 10k on the same day as you and I think I left my hamstrings in Stade de France 🤣.
@@Panos_79 🤣 thanks Panos ! Hamstrings are important when running 😂 I do have a history of pushing it and learning the hard way- probably like most people. I think I would regret going too conservative versus pushing it just past the limit AT LEAST ONCE in my running journey
Glad to have run this with you for a bit. You really pushed yourself and should be very proud of being able to finish with everything you were dealing with.
Learning where "the line" is is SOOOOOOO key. Like game changer for how you approach training. Sadly, the only way you find that line is a hard bonk in a race or all the symptoms you described. Also, the moon is real? What?
A very hard lesson to learn, but congratulations for still being in the arena! Looking forward to continuing to follow your journey. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Been following your journey for a while now, man. You were in crazy good shape, but it was obvious that you were probably overdoing it a little bit. I’ve ran sub 3 2 times, two hours and 56 minutes and two hours and 50 minutes and I’ll tell you the biggest thing is fine-tuning your training to have just the right amount of volume and intensity. The good sign for you is that you’ve demonstrated that you have the fitness to get there, it’s just a matter of keeping yourself healthy during the training block. You’ll get there, just keep stacking block after block. I’ll be on the sidelines cheering you on.
That was awesome!! I needed that because I feel like I might be pushing too hard for CIM. The Marathon I’m most proud of was a 75° NYC. Horrible death march 3:42:30 🥵🥵. I know you will regroup and nail it!!
To quote the great American poet John Hughes seminal movie Some Kind of Wonderful - "To win big you gotta do what? Lose. Lose Big. What are we doing now? We're losing big!"
Just keep it simple. Be consistent but do it all by feel. Don't overcomplicate it with a coach and lots of plans. One long run and a faster run once a week, everything else easy and gradually load the mileage. Maybe two runs a day doing a marathon block, slightly faster in the morning and the second easy/recovery.
The marathon can teach you very quickly. And humble anybody. There’s a fine line to cross and looks like you kind of crossed it 🙈😆🤣😆. Congrats on finishing another marathon Andrew. Lessons learned, now time to recover. Man!! Those symptoms were like at the end of every new medication 💊. Good thing diarrhea wasn’t in the symptoms side effects 🤷🏻♂️😆
Great video. Had this myself this year. Started in May after doing 2 marathons in close proximity and coming back too soon after a weeks rest. It’s now October and only now shoots of true recovery appearing.
Aw, man! It certainly sucks. I’m glad you’re starting to feel the recovery. It might be a very long recovery process for me as well. I do not feel good at all. Thanks for sharing
You’ve got a problem, but I love it! 😆 Wishing you a speedy recovery and looking forward to the next attempt! Appreciate the few miles shared with everyone at the shakeout.
Dang. Marathons are hard. Your story speaks to how difficult achieving these times actually are. So much has align to peak at the right time for a good performance. Thankfully, your training has you in a great place for your next race. Looking at your strava, you clearly have the fitness. Based on my own experience, I can't help but think that us "older" runners need to be modifying the typical recovery/ taper guidance that we give 20 year olds.
Congrats once again Andrew! Once you're all healed up and you get back to running just enjoy it for a bit. No goals, no paces, just fresh air and some tunes. But then when you're ready listen to Jocko telling you iver and over again that all your failures are "Gooood". A hard fought gutted out performance is actually more impressive. Especially when you explain the mind Fuq of knowing your going to go do a thing that is going to make you more injured for longer but you're going to do it anyway. What a trip. Cheers brother 🍻
Andrew, it was good chatting with you on the MCM course around MLK memorial, before the blue mile I think. One thing I learned during this build is not to trust, or pay a lot of attention to, apps like Tanda or Kaizen. You end up chasing your own tail by adding more weekly miles at faster paces just to see your predicted time go down, instead of executing on your original goal - we all know how that ends… I was training for 3:0X for MCM, ended up running 3:05. Both Tanda and Kaizen had me at 2:48-2:50 couple weeks before the race, which I knew was completely unrealistic, given I never trained for those paces… It would have been a disaster for me to try and go out anywhere near that. I just think these apps do a lot of people a disservice.
@@Yarus023 it was great seeing you out there. I certainly will not go chasing times or forcing it in the future. If you would’ve been like “it’s me, Yarus023” I would have said “in the flesh?” 🤣 Congrats on the solid time at MCM- such a great race and course
I make a brief cameo at the 6:20 mark. Great insight and perspective in this video. I also had a goal for my first sub-3 and eked out a 2:59:59. I started the pain cave around mile 22 but was fortunate to have just enough in left in the tank. You have the right mindset, only a matter of time.
Well done on fronting up and admitting where you went wrong. Think your coach should have spotted this if he was doing his job. I had a shocker in September,we go again.
💪🏼 let’s goooo! He can see the training. Kind of like Jack Daniels plans where you have the two quality workouts and then you fill it in with mileage around the workouts . When’s your next race?
Man, marathons are hard not just phsycially but mentally. I am 1.5 weeks out of my first 10k race and I get some the same anxities too. Can't imagine running a full marathon but I will get there some day. Respect to you Andrew for still showing up and getting it done
That’s a question for my wife. The pink chair, the office chair, the wall color, the trippy astronaut with an exploding flower helmet artwork, that’s all her world. I’m just living in it
FWIW, I thought you did well, at least according to your paces on the tracking app. You and Josh were not more than a few seconds apart from each other. So, I assume you guys were encouraging each other, which is very motivating.
You'll be back for sure for that Sub 3! Just a matter of time. Just curious does your coach monitor your training or just provide a plan? I ask as had some thing but my coach caught it early and told me to reign it in or else
The reason is the marathon... Everywhere I have read the marine Corp Marathon is one of the worst marathons... meanwhile Andrew: LETS GOOOO HERE WE GO. Lovely
@@tav4755 the algo appreciates your sacrificial comment. 4 absolute strangers are now going to experience this powerful thumbnail on their UA-cam home page . 🙏🏼
Having challenges with my adult son was hoping for peace this week ahead of NYC but unfortunately much like you this week, stressed out but trying to minimize/mitigate next 2 days
@@whisperthebull6707 I feel you. ❤️ lots of meditation/breathing. I told myself “I can always slow down, it’s not a big deal” knowing that on race day I am likely to push it . Praying for an good and enjoyable NYC 🗽
Dude, I feel this one big time… I mean I wasn’t going for sub 3, until race day…then I thought it was a possibility! (Instead of just doing the 3 :04 like I planned). Ended up with 3 :09 and lots of pain! This past week was the nasty reminder of why that was a bad idea (long recovery)… live and learn I guess. On to the next! 🚀
Way to go for it !! I feel like you have to find out where that line is sometimes . I read in a Matt Fitzgerald book that many Kenyans race like that almost all the time and fade and miss often. But sometimes they have a break through performance . They always believe and go for it. Better to try and fail than to never know if you could’ve pressed a little more . Solid effort !!
Hey my friend. 310 is excelent congrats. Andrew i have seen this movie before, in me and in a lot of midlife runners. I remember i wrote you once telling you that you have to be carefull of the overtraining.... for me, and this is my honest opinion ( my experience of running since 2007) the matt fox plan was way too in the fine line of overtraining ... why? Because we are not 20 anymore, because we have other responsabilities and duties (work, kids, wife...) , life events (sometimes you can not eat perfectly, sometimas you can not sleep well for whatever reason), runners normal ego etc... the plan was cool and fun no doubt, but it have to had a perfect context to execute and get the results desired, and besides not because a coach said something you have to do it sometimes you have to just take it week by week and adjust and see what happens, especially for runers above 40. I dont want you to missinterpret me but sometimes this things trigger me because i been there...i always try to warn my friends or at least plant a seed in its conciusness... i guess if you dont live it or experience it sometimes its hard to belive.... for midlife runners less is more , quality is better than quantity and consistency is the key to not get injured or an overtraining syndrome, its just keep running but prioritazing recovery... life is not perfect, things get in the way and years dont pass in vain...for me what works is a 80/20 aproach 4 days a week or five at most 1 day of mostly theshold and 5% above threshold like 10k pace but not any faster... hope you get the needed rest, you will get to your goal, it will arrive when you dont desire it. Also the advice that people told you that go for the just below 3 was correct, the predictors are just a way to make the ego fall in love.... ill be cherring for you my friend.
Thank you for such a thoughtful response. You are kind to look out and warn me and I would’ve been good to listen. You definitely have it correct that I am the type of person who historically learns from doing the thing that burns me and then I no longer touch it. Mostly, my mistakes stem from naivety. I thought over training was cooking the body externally, not being strong enough. I didn’t know it was internal systems, hormones. Either way , I am looking forward to the rest and yoga . I am no longer worried about time goals as I can only control the effort that I put in and the time will be the time. So naturally it is likely to happen 😂 thank you again Rich
Looking forward to the next videos with all this “extra” time on your hands. Do you consider “the line” a mileage per week now or is there another metric since you’ve “found” the line?
Great question, Jason. I am not necessarily sure it’s 85 miles a week , though that certainly feels like my ceiling . I feel like it’s more the speed , and not the workouts . I ran at my MAF , steasy almost every day. 7:20 to 7:40 pace most all my days . I need more zone 1 type of runs which are pretend running but really just recovery . It is more of an issue of not enough recovery
@ StrengthRunning just put out a video on overtraining syndrome and Jason specifically called out that it isn’t mileage that causes it. So yeah that sounds about right.
Covid shot .. unbelievable. I love this channel and your journey but with all the new data I justvv don’t understand as a healthy young man why you’d get this. Good luck man
MCM is harder than anyone thinks. Last year was too hot and I seriously cramped in mile 18 and hobbled to the finish. A sub 3 runner I knew didn’t do well either and ran 3:20.
Sorry to hear of your overtraining syndrome. When you were adding all the extra training in did your Coach pull you up on this and encourage you to stick to the prescribed training?
Bro i literally found out about overtraining syndrome couple of hours before this video. Was at the best fitness of my life and then i crashed hard 3 weeks out and i mean crashed. Had all the symptoms and still have (after 1 month and a half). Cannot physically hit any faster paces, heart rate is ok on easy runs but as soon as i approach zone 3 it spike really hard like i never run before. Recovey is slower like 100% and i get sore butt from simple runs. And i thought getting not injured will bring me new PB, but now i hit another wall called overtaining 😢
Oh man! I’m sorry to hear it. I’m googling all the ways to speed up the recovery process from a rest and nutrition stand point. I know it can take quite some time for us to rebound so I am going to try and be patient . I don’t even want to easy run or cycle
Do you have a medical diagnosis of OTS, or is this a Google self diagnosis? StrengthRunning channel just put out a good overview of different levels of OTS.
💯 love his channel. I saw that this morning and it was another gem from Jason. He nailed it. I’m on the complete rest protocol, no running, no cross training . Just walking the dog with my wife or kids for quite some time. I think it is likely that he only knew 1 runner who got it because they were young and they all had coaches. And coaches are pretty good at writing in enough rest. I didn’t do enough recovering, which I need more of at 44 than 20. I ran almost zero zone 1 run through some pretty big weeks and workouts. Will be much wiser to follow the plan next time
It's not easy to say this but I think you're barking up the wrong tree on this one. I experienced the same thing after my one and only injection! Elevated heart rate and a sudden massive spike in blood pressure had me down and out just like you and I was not over trained! I literally felt like shit for 3 or 4 months before, out of desperation, I tried a vax detox protocol which helped get me back to normal pretty quickly. When my kids were younger, I went every Fall to get a flu shot and never had a single side effect so I'm not anti vax but I would stay away from mRNA because my symptoms went way further than just heartrate and pressure . It was terrifying
@@50Something this is amazing and very insightful. I am open minded certainly. I will have to Google the vax detox protocol. I do not feel well at all and I haven’t been getting much sleep (or good sleep ) the last three weeks
@@MidLifeRunner Go find a naturopathic doctor in your area. They will kindly suggest supplements to deactivate the spike protein. I'm sorry you're not feeling well as it causes a ton of anxiety.
@@MidLifeRunnerDon't be transfecting functioning pathogens behind the lines. This is not vaccination. Which a not particularly old dictionary will confirm. Also don't expect natural magicians to unwrite your dna afterwards.
Between September 15 - October 6 you programmed your brain to run at a 3:10 pace, look at your Strava. Noakes' Central Governor Theory - the brain is protective, constantly monitoring your systems & muscles and will signal your body to slow down to a lower gear it knows you have - if it senses you're redlining to prevent harm. Other than a good June 5K I don't see any running in your data that reaffirms to your brain "I'm that runner that clocked a 6:37 Half, I'm good for 6:51". You either believe in Noakes, or you don't. 2 months prior to race day I go into high intensity training, no long runs and don't let my brain know I am capable of lower gears. Nonetheless you had a solid time and it's all about the journey anyway.
Not to be critical Andrew but you literally paid another human with money you traded hours of your life to obtain for advice that you didn't follow. Just frame it that way next time you find yourself doing something similar (and trust me I've done it for more expensive things so you're not alone lol)
Very sorry this happened to you. Not sure why you're dismissing the most likely cause of this - an accute issue unrelated to overtraining. Your preventative decision was a fine one but your body clearly didn't like it. I hope and trust you'll rebound soon and get your sub-3.
Well, the body is fried/stressed and the hormones (cortisol) is out of balance . The solution is rest either way. Coach sent a great article on the offseason and the timelines of losing fitness alancouzens.com/blog/off_season.html
Ironically strength running 7 hours ago dropped a video titled "why you're probably not over training" and talks about the syndrome. I feel like he watched you're video and is trying to start some west coast vs third coast beef by saying people that say they have over training syndrome dont. ua-cam.com/video/5D2Wu4tdZDA/v-deo.htmlsi=D2LwLHDBRELQ3rH8 😂
Isn’t that crazy ?? I saw it this morning. And I thought “I can’t believe I’m that guy! The one guy he knew” - and then I thought “uh oh, now everyone is going to gas light me into thinking I’m not over trained.” A lot to think about when I can’t sleep at night because I’m over trained 🤣
@MidLifeRunner something to think about with your insomnia 😂😂😂😂. Just let us MidLife Runners know if we need to start gaslighting him in his comment section lol.
I don't understand why you only have 6.7k subs'. You should have way more subscribers. Content is too good. The subscribers are coming my man, as well as the sub 3 marathon.
@@AlejandroGarcia-i2t appreciate the kind words. Believe it!
@@AlejandroGarcia-i2t agreed. We need to forward everything video to running friends to get the algorithm to make it pop up more.
¨every marathon is worth celebrating´´Midlife runner 2024
Cheers for content mate. Legend.
I really appreciated this post, as someone who had a similar experience at Chicago last month. Hard for anyone outside of the marathon running space to understand the grief of a disappointing race. Such a bittersweet feeling-the sense of pride in knowing the body of work you put in mixed with the let down of coming up short of your high expectations. I totally get it. But, in a way, those moments make the marathon all that more rewarding when one finally goes your way. Your’s is coming! Keep running and using those hard lessons to get better. You aren’t alone out there. Thanks for sharing your story!
🙏🏼 patience. The day will come
So happy to see you in good spirits Andrew after a difficult race. I was one of the people who told you to not hold back and race to your potential and not an arbitrary sub-3 goal and I stand by that. You just got too excited and overworked yourself - now you have more experience and you know exactly how to prepare for the next one when that time comes.
Speaking for the midlife runners out there, we are proud of you, you DO hard things and inspire us all. Now just take care of yourself - we'll be here no matter what. Also, I feel your pain when you're sitting down - I raced a 10k on the same day as you and I think I left my hamstrings in Stade de France 🤣.
@@Panos_79 🤣 thanks Panos ! Hamstrings are important when running 😂 I do have a history of pushing it and learning the hard way- probably like most people. I think I would regret going too conservative versus pushing it just past the limit AT LEAST ONCE in my running journey
Thanks for sharing your journey with us, especially when it's frustrating and vulnerable. 🙏
Glad to have run this with you for a bit. You really pushed yourself and should be very proud of being able to finish with everything you were dealing with.
Thanks Josh! Hoping your injury heals quickly 💪🏼
Learning where "the line" is is SOOOOOOO key. Like game changer for how you approach training. Sadly, the only way you find that line is a hard bonk in a race or all the symptoms you described. Also, the moon is real? What?
A very hard lesson to learn, but congratulations for still being in the arena! Looking forward to continuing to follow your journey. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
@@danvoges 🙏🏼
Framing and context = your bread & butter, bang-on! Thanks for sharing your running reflections, goals, dreams, cooked-quads - here for it all!
@@robthompson4882 you’re in the next one, Rob! 🇨🇦
@@MidLifeRunner make-up! where's make-up?!....someone send make-up over here, stat!!!!
I feel it. Speedy recovery. I too have been there. I'm probably just starting to feel better. Keep rocking AP.
Been following your journey for a while now, man. You were in crazy good shape, but it was obvious that you were probably overdoing it a little bit. I’ve ran sub 3 2 times, two hours and 56 minutes and two hours and 50 minutes and I’ll tell you the biggest thing is fine-tuning your training to have just the right amount of volume and intensity. The good sign for you is that you’ve demonstrated that you have the fitness to get there, it’s just a matter of keeping yourself healthy during the training block. You’ll get there, just keep stacking block after block. I’ll be on the sidelines cheering you on.
@@adultslovepokemon6615 🙏🏼 I have zero doubts. Well done on the races! And thanks for the support
Always better to be 10% undertrained than 1% overtrained.
Feel this
That was awesome!! I needed that because I feel like I might be pushing too hard for CIM. The Marathon I’m most proud of was a 75° NYC. Horrible death march 3:42:30 🥵🥵. I know you will regroup and nail it!!
@@jameschaves5723 thanks James! Excited to see what you can do at CIM on those rollers .
To quote the great American poet John Hughes seminal movie Some Kind of Wonderful - "To win big you gotta do what? Lose. Lose Big. What are we doing now? We're losing big!"
🤣 hell yeah! We are about to rest big. Napping is now a doctor’s order. If only I didn’t have insomnia because of this
Just keep it simple. Be consistent but do it all by feel. Don't overcomplicate it with a coach and lots of plans. One long run and a faster run once a week, everything else easy and gradually load the mileage. Maybe two runs a day doing a marathon block, slightly faster in the morning and the second easy/recovery.
The marathon can teach you very quickly. And humble anybody. There’s a fine line to cross and looks like you kind of crossed it 🙈😆🤣😆. Congrats on finishing another marathon Andrew. Lessons learned, now time to recover. Man!! Those symptoms were like at the end of every new medication 💊. Good thing diarrhea wasn’t in the symptoms side effects 🤷🏻♂️😆
@@LuisBecerra79 I left some parts out 😂 luckily we made it out without incident
Great video. Had this myself this year. Started in May after doing 2 marathons in close proximity and coming back too soon after a weeks rest. It’s now October and only now shoots of true recovery appearing.
Aw, man! It certainly sucks. I’m glad you’re starting to feel the recovery. It might be a very long recovery process for me as well. I do not feel good at all. Thanks for sharing
It sucks but it’s a very valuable line to cross and experience for the years ahead. Valuable lessons learned ✅
You’ve got a problem, but I love it! 😆 Wishing you a speedy recovery and looking forward to the next attempt! Appreciate the few miles shared with everyone at the shakeout.
💪🏼 what a race, man! Fantastic job, again. That course is not easy. Imagine doing something like Chicago ? 💨
I’m willing to flirt with the line if I get into Chicago😅
Dang. Marathons are hard. Your story speaks to how difficult achieving these times actually are. So much has align to peak at the right time for a good performance. Thankfully, your training has you in a great place for your next race. Looking at your strava, you clearly have the fitness. Based on my own experience, I can't help but think that us "older" runners need to be modifying the typical recovery/ taper guidance that we give 20 year olds.
Agreed. I definitely need more rest. I am attacking it this year like I’m 17. Whenever I want, however fast I want
Congrats once again Andrew! Once you're all healed up and you get back to running just enjoy it for a bit. No goals, no paces, just fresh air and some tunes. But then when you're ready listen to Jocko telling you iver and over again that all your failures are "Gooood". A hard fought gutted out performance is actually more impressive. Especially when you explain the mind Fuq of knowing your going to go do a thing that is going to make you more injured for longer but you're going to do it anyway. What a trip. Cheers brother 🍻
You overtrained, you recover and learn from it. Speedy recovery! ❤ Awesome channel by the way.
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Still got that BQ in that condition says a lot! Heal up and we'll selfishly enjoy the extra content.
@@AuDHDRunner 💪🏼
Andrew, it was good chatting with you on the MCM course around MLK memorial, before the blue mile I think. One thing I learned during this build is not to trust, or pay a lot of attention to, apps like Tanda or Kaizen. You end up chasing your own tail by adding more weekly miles at faster paces just to see your predicted time go down, instead of executing on your original goal - we all know how that ends…
I was training for 3:0X for MCM, ended up running 3:05. Both Tanda and Kaizen had me at 2:48-2:50 couple weeks before the race, which I knew was completely unrealistic, given I never trained for those paces… It would have been a disaster for me to try and go out anywhere near that. I just think these apps do a lot of people a disservice.
@@Yarus023 it was great seeing you out there. I certainly will not go chasing times or forcing it in the future. If you would’ve been like “it’s me, Yarus023” I would have said “in the flesh?” 🤣
Congrats on the solid time at MCM- such a great race and course
3 hours and 10...you still kicked ass!! Good job bro!
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I make a brief cameo at the 6:20 mark. Great insight and perspective in this video. I also had a goal for my first sub-3 and eked out a 2:59:59. I started the pain cave around mile 22 but was fortunate to have just enough in left in the tank. You have the right mindset, only a matter of time.
Wowwww! That’s so awesome 👏🏼. You know that’s likely a 2:57:00 at a course like Chicago or Houston .
Well done on fronting up and admitting where you went wrong.
Think your coach should have spotted this if he was doing his job.
I had a shocker in September,we go again.
💪🏼 let’s goooo! He can see the training. Kind of like Jack Daniels plans where you have the two quality workouts and then you fill it in with mileage around the workouts . When’s your next race?
@MidLifeRunner main target is Comrades,might fit in Malta in Feb as a warm up to see where I'm at.
Whats your next one?
Man, marathons are hard not just phsycially but mentally. I am 1.5 weeks out of my first 10k race and I get some the same anxities too. Can't imagine running a full marathon but I will get there some day.
Respect to you Andrew for still showing up and getting it done
Good luck on the 10k! It’s a very challenging distance . I might only really enjoy half marathons 🤣
@MidLifeRunner oh okay that's good to know. I haven't reached the fitness to run a half marathon yet, that will be next goal.
We love your videos. And watching this video I want to know where you got your office chair. It looks amazing🤣
That’s a question for my wife. The pink chair, the office chair, the wall color, the trippy astronaut with an exploding flower helmet artwork, that’s all her world. I’m just living in it
FWIW, I thought you did well, at least according to your paces on the tracking app. You and Josh were not more than a few seconds apart from each other. So, I assume you guys were encouraging each other, which is very motivating.
Thanks. I certainly pushed my body the entire time. I started slowing after 10k and Josh went on- so I just yelled at him during some out and backs 🤣
@@MidLifeRunner You da man, Andrew. Looking forward to parts 2 & 3.
You'll be back for sure for that Sub 3! Just a matter of time. Just curious does your coach monitor your training or just provide a plan? I ask as had some thing but my coach caught it early and told me to reign it in or else
The reason is the marathon...
Everywhere I have read the marine Corp Marathon is one of the worst marathons...
meanwhile Andrew: LETS GOOOO HERE WE GO.
Lovely
for you and the allmighty algorithm......I... hit that OT syndrome many many years ago. feel your pain. sorry it happened to you, wish you the best.
@@tav4755 the algo appreciates your sacrificial comment. 4 absolute strangers are now going to experience this powerful thumbnail on their UA-cam home page . 🙏🏼
Having challenges with my adult son was hoping for peace this week ahead of NYC but unfortunately much like you this week, stressed out but trying to minimize/mitigate next 2 days
@@whisperthebull6707 I feel you. ❤️ lots of meditation/breathing. I told myself “I can always slow down, it’s not a big deal” knowing that on race day I am likely to push it . Praying for an good and enjoyable NYC 🗽
@ thanks 🙏 so very much!!
Dude, I feel this one big time… I mean I wasn’t going for sub 3, until race day…then I thought it was a possibility! (Instead of just doing the 3 :04 like I planned). Ended up with 3 :09 and lots of pain! This past week was the nasty reminder of why that was a bad idea (long recovery)… live and learn I guess. On to the next! 🚀
Way to go for it !! I feel like you have to find out where that line is sometimes . I read in a Matt Fitzgerald book that many Kenyans race like that almost all the time and fade and miss often. But sometimes they have a break through performance . They always believe and go for it. Better to try and fail than to never know if you could’ve pressed a little more . Solid effort !!
Hey my friend. 310 is excelent congrats. Andrew i have seen this movie before, in me and in a lot of midlife runners. I remember i wrote you once telling you that you have to be carefull of the overtraining.... for me, and this is my honest opinion ( my experience of running since 2007) the matt fox plan was way too in the fine line of overtraining ... why? Because we are not 20 anymore, because we have other responsabilities and duties (work, kids, wife...) , life events (sometimes you can not eat perfectly, sometimas you can not sleep well for whatever reason), runners normal ego etc... the plan was cool and fun no doubt, but it have to had a perfect context to execute and get the results desired, and besides not because a coach said something you have to do it sometimes you have to just take it week by week and adjust and see what happens, especially for runers above 40. I dont want you to missinterpret me but sometimes this things trigger me because i been there...i always try to warn my friends or at least plant a seed in its conciusness... i guess if you dont live it or experience it sometimes its hard to belive.... for midlife runners less is more , quality is better than quantity and consistency is the key to not get injured or an overtraining syndrome, its just keep running but prioritazing recovery... life is not perfect, things get in the way and years dont pass in vain...for me what works is a 80/20 aproach 4 days a week or five at most 1 day of mostly theshold and 5% above threshold like 10k pace but not any faster... hope you get the needed rest, you will get to your goal, it will arrive when you dont desire it. Also the advice that people told you that go for the just below 3 was correct, the predictors are just a way to make the ego fall in love.... ill be cherring for you my friend.
Thank you for such a thoughtful response. You are kind to look out and warn me and I would’ve been good to listen. You definitely have it correct that I am the type of person who historically learns from doing the thing that burns me and then I no longer touch it. Mostly, my mistakes stem from naivety. I thought over training was cooking the body externally, not being strong enough. I didn’t know it was internal systems, hormones. Either way , I am looking forward to the rest and yoga . I am no longer worried about time goals as I can only control the effort that I put in and the time will be the time. So naturally it is likely to happen 😂 thank you again Rich
@@MidLifeRunnerthats life my friend. We do, we learn. Glad to hear you are doing fine. Any time, you have my admiration.
I don’t know exactly how midlife you are. But if you’ll be 45 by April 20, 2026 then you just ran a BQ for the 2026 marathon. So that’s awesome!
Aww yeah! I’ll turn 45 in March. 💪🏼
Houston…RUN IT BACK! 🚀
I would definitely do this but I’m going to be sidelined for way way too long . Houston 2026 maybe
Looking forward to the next videos with all this “extra” time on your hands. Do you consider “the line” a mileage per week now or is there another metric since you’ve “found” the line?
Great question, Jason. I am not necessarily sure it’s 85 miles a week , though that certainly feels like my ceiling . I feel like it’s more the speed , and not the workouts . I ran at my MAF , steasy almost every day. 7:20 to 7:40 pace most all my days . I need more zone 1 type of runs which are pretend running but really just recovery . It is more of an issue of not enough recovery
@ StrengthRunning just put out a video on overtraining syndrome and Jason specifically called out that it isn’t mileage that causes it. So yeah that sounds about right.
Covid shot .. unbelievable. I love this channel and your journey but with all the new data I justvv don’t understand as a healthy young man why you’d get this. Good luck man
MCM is harder than anyone thinks. Last year was too hot and I seriously cramped in mile 18 and hobbled to the finish. A sub 3 runner I knew didn’t do well either and ran 3:20.
Bro - why did you get the shots 😩? you’re fit and healthy.
he wants myocarditis maybe
I thought everyone got them and was unaware of any side effects because I’ve never had them before. I will be avoiding them in the future
@@MidLifeRunner I love the channel btw! 👊
@@Shaph5000 🙏🏼
@@MidLifeRunnerman so happy to hear this.. you’re so inspiring.. honestly worries me when I hear people get this. You’ve definitely got this
"Maybe the moon isn't real"....you know you've gone to a dark place when your mind leads you here.
The shot stuff isn't all conspiracy! Took me 3 years to rebuild my heart and fitness after winning that Pfizer lottery in 2021. :( #PfuckPfizer
I was tracking you and Joshua during the race and cheering you from behind the screen. Taking off for 3 months?
For at least one month and maybe 2. However long it takes for my body to recover and reset
Sorry to hear of your overtraining syndrome. When you were adding all the extra training in did your Coach pull you up on this and encourage you to stick to the prescribed training?
Bro i literally found out about overtraining syndrome couple of hours before this video.
Was at the best fitness of my life and then i crashed hard 3 weeks out and i mean crashed. Had all the symptoms and still have (after 1 month and a half).
Cannot physically hit any faster paces, heart rate is ok on easy runs but as soon as i approach zone 3 it spike really hard like i never run before.
Recovey is slower like 100% and i get sore butt from simple runs.
And i thought getting not injured will bring me new PB, but now i hit another wall called overtaining 😢
Oh man! I’m sorry to hear it. I’m googling all the ways to speed up the recovery process from a rest and nutrition stand point. I know it can take quite some time for us to rebound so I am going to try and be patient . I don’t even want to easy run or cycle
Do you have a medical diagnosis of OTS, or is this a Google self diagnosis? StrengthRunning channel just put out a good overview of different levels of OTS.
💯 love his channel. I saw that this morning and it was another gem from Jason. He nailed it. I’m on the complete rest protocol, no running, no cross training . Just walking the dog with my wife or kids for quite some time. I think it is likely that he only knew 1 runner who got it because they were young and they all had coaches. And coaches are pretty good at writing in enough rest. I didn’t do enough recovering, which I need more of at 44 than 20. I ran almost zero zone 1 run through some pretty big weeks and workouts. Will be much wiser to follow the plan next time
It's not easy to say this but I think you're barking up the wrong tree on this one. I experienced the same thing after my one and only injection! Elevated heart rate and a sudden massive spike in blood pressure had me down and out just like you and I was not over trained! I literally felt like shit for 3 or 4 months before, out of desperation, I tried a vax detox protocol which helped get me back to normal pretty quickly. When my kids were younger, I went every Fall to get a flu shot and never had a single side effect so I'm not anti vax but I would stay away from mRNA because my symptoms went way further than just heartrate and pressure . It was terrifying
@@50Something this is amazing and very insightful. I am open minded certainly. I will have to Google the vax detox protocol. I do not feel well at all and I haven’t been getting much sleep (or good sleep ) the last three weeks
@@MidLifeRunner Go find a naturopathic doctor in your area. They will kindly suggest supplements to deactivate the spike protein. I'm sorry you're not feeling well as it causes a ton of anxiety.
@@MidLifeRunnerDon't be transfecting functioning pathogens behind the lines. This is not vaccination. Which a not particularly old dictionary will confirm. Also don't expect natural magicians to unwrite your dna afterwards.
Don't go full moon howling loopy either. But note Salk gave it away for free saying some would patent the Sun.
Steve Magness 😂
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I have that shirt!
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Between September 15 - October 6 you programmed your brain to run at a 3:10 pace, look at your Strava. Noakes' Central Governor Theory - the brain is protective, constantly monitoring your systems & muscles and will signal your body to slow down to a lower gear it knows you have - if it senses you're redlining to prevent harm. Other than a good June 5K I don't see any running in your data that reaffirms to your brain "I'm that runner that clocked a 6:37 Half, I'm good for 6:51". You either believe in Noakes, or you don't. 2 months prior to race day I go into high intensity training, no long runs and don't let my brain know I am capable of lower gears. Nonetheless you had a solid time and it's all about the journey anyway.
Can you register for Chicago 2025? That's the race I am running with a sub3 as my goal.
Im down to 1 marathon a year with family obligations and life. Im running Boston 2025 so that’s my marathon for that year
Im excited for you though. Chicago is still my favorite marathon
Shew…better go take a nap!!
Permission to nap granted ! I’m going to Pr my sleep in the next month or two . Naps are underrated 🤣
Is the moon real lol
You gotta get back in touch with Floberg and have him coach you. Heard too many bad things about Matt Fox
His name is Jordan Brauer 😂😂😂😂😂
You know those details felt a little too real 🤣
Not to be critical Andrew but you literally paid another human with money you traded hours of your life to obtain for advice that you didn't follow. Just frame it that way next time you find yourself doing something similar (and trust me I've done it for more expensive things so you're not alone lol)
Oh I learned my lesson!
Very sorry this happened to you. Not sure why you're dismissing the most likely cause of this - an accute issue unrelated to overtraining. Your preventative decision was a fine one but your body clearly didn't like it. I hope and trust you'll rebound soon and get your sub-3.
Hearing a lot of similar feedback and doing more research . Trying to get my body reset
Idk bro. Im not saying it was aliens, but it was probably aliens. 😂
And the moon...have you ever seen it turn??????😂😂😂
It’s just right sized and distanced to give us a perfect eclipse. Coincidence??? Riiiiiight right right .
Are you sure you overtrained? I’d take a look at those shots before you take a lot of time off & lose fitness potentially for no reason.
Well, the body is fried/stressed and the hormones (cortisol) is out of balance . The solution is rest either way. Coach sent a great article on the offseason and the timelines of losing fitness
alancouzens.com/blog/off_season.html
Ironically strength running 7 hours ago dropped a video titled "why you're probably not over training" and talks about the syndrome. I feel like he watched you're video and is trying to start some west coast vs third coast beef by saying people that say they have over training syndrome dont. ua-cam.com/video/5D2Wu4tdZDA/v-deo.htmlsi=D2LwLHDBRELQ3rH8
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Isn’t that crazy ?? I saw it this morning. And I thought “I can’t believe I’m that guy! The one guy he knew” - and then I thought “uh oh, now everyone is going to gas light me into thinking I’m not over trained.” A lot to think about when I can’t sleep at night because I’m over trained 🤣
@MidLifeRunner something to think about with your insomnia 😂😂😂😂. Just let us MidLife Runners know if we need to start gaslighting him in his comment section lol.
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Love the vulnerability...you'll be back. Take a full 2 months off. The last thing you want is to come back too early and not be fully recovered.
Absolutely! I’m not in any hurry to return to running unless I’m 100% physically, mentally and spiritually fit. Life is long. I will be all right
It was one of the two shots. Healthy guys should avoid.
I’ve been reading that a lot in the comments and I am now a believer as I don’t tend to get sick for years at a time