@@jeffreyroberts7438 Yes but Rutland is a very nice place to live (most expensive council tax). Nottingham City (second highest) isn't so nice and there are no services as the council is skint. They can't even reliably empty the bins on time! 😂 The grass isn't always greener!
Most of my mileage is visiting family living in the sticks on mostly unclassified roads. No moron is going to go to the expense of putting cameras in those locations, so maybe folks living in remote areas won't be hit by an ANPR solution as much as a mileage tax based on MOT mileage. And what about new cars which don't have MOT tests for a couple of years?
@@rugbygirlsdadg A new car is not liable for an MOT test for three years after it's first registration....unless used as a taxi, in which case it requires an MOT each year from new....
I do 52 miles per day just to get to work and back. I'm just a truck driver living in a rural area, so public transport is not an optional and work irregular hours. Ppm sounds absolutely terrifying to me...
@DefinitelyNotAGuru My employer is Tesco, and probably doesn't care how much it costs- they will be able to pass it onto the customer. They are already paying £1200 pa for every six wheel traction unit...
Problem is that those who need to drive to and from work can’t re-coup the cost. The guy who drove to work to drive a Tesco lorry and then shops at Tesco is hit twice. Government is about easy targets. Work, drive, drink, smoke, buy the basics get taxed at source and for the extras.
This will lead to people driving around in untaxed, uninsured, cars with no mot as well. They can’t force people to buy black boxes to put in their vehicles.
They won't really need to, as most cars built within the last 10+ years already have a tracking facility integrated....plus if you've got your mobile phone with you, and it's switched on, that'll do nicely.....
I've seen a lot people getting confused thinking Pay Per Mile tax is magically linked to the MPG of their diesel/petrol car and stating they get 600 miles to the tank so they will better off..... WTF!
Is it me, but are there more stupid people around these days. I don’t remember the 80’s and 90’s having this many stupid people walking around. I really think the food quality and the seed oils they poison people with are doing some damage. Add the fluoride they add to the water, I think there is a lowering of I.Q levels.
It'd get the winter fuel payments out of the spotlight, but really doubt this would be workable. ANPR would just force people onto backroads or induce a crazy amount of cloning and getting it from MOTs would just have people clocking cars. You can't charge somebody the same for driving 20 miles to the nearest bus stop in the Highlands as for 20 miles in central London driving past multiple tube stations.
@@Starmerispureevil And not everyone bothers to get an MOT each year. Owners of foreign plated vehicles are - by law - legally obliged to register their vehicles with the DVLA if they intend to stay in the UK for 6 Months or more. Although few seem to....
@@Brian-om2hh Indeed, at our previous house the neighbour had an Italian registered car for the seven years we lived there. Doubt if it were taxed, insured or had any kind of annual test, but she happily pottered around town in it.
I will retire and sell the car. Pay zero income tax, zero NI contributions, zero insurance tax, no VEL or fuel duty..... I will not pay an extra £1000 a year to go to work to do a job that I enjoy - I will just work part-time in a scratty job near home. Cash in hand like everyone on benefits...... ?
Go back to the purpose of this Tax, its because we dont have enough money to fund the roads because we used C02 as a way of bringing in money and with EVs that leaves a black hole. If we made roads more efficiently we wouldnt need as much money to fund it. I've put forward internal cost savings to how we manage our road contracts but its not biting. They dont want to listen and its so annoying. Really having a Tax break on EU class A or making a Kei car segment in the UK would save the maintenance on the roads, lower congestion, clean up the air and being reasonable with Tax (fixed at £10 a month for them and EVs) and the problem is solved.
You go to work, pay all your bills and if you are lucky have £40 or £50 left over each week to save for Christmas or a holiday. Thats the bit you work for and thats the bit they are coming for. Your Christmas and holiday money. What they havent though about is once that bit you have left is grabbed from you, what are you actually working for ? The state will pay your rent and council tax, give you money for food. So why bother. People will give up, pack working in and lay on the dole.
Its not just rural our new towns were built and have bad public transport etc so its not like cities with tubes and buses every 10 mins or so it will rake in money but fuel inflation and businesses will be hit
here is a novel idea that already exist in other European countries -> motorway vignette. They are date based for either a short duration (day, week) for tourist or hilday drivers or you pay for a month, or year. if you are caught without one while on the motorway you pay a fine and get points on the license. if you are in rural area and don't have access or use motorways you don't need one, otherwise most people will pay for an annual one. and you can just set the pricing exactly what you want it to be and give discounts to whomever you need to (low income people, veterans, disabled people, pensioners etc.) you can use exactly the same systems you use for car tax to pay for this electronically and it will cost the government almost nothing to set up as it's exactly the same system they already have for just with a different name. Or just forget this entire thing and just increase the car tax as that is system already in place so there is no extra cost associated with it to come up and implement a completely new system, cause you know that will end up being millions upon million of pounds.
If they were to fix the roads in EVERY street in my area then I perhaps wouldn’t grudge paying 15ppm but it will never happen. I think my local roads department are hiding in a dark basement somewhere. One watches the basement door and the other 5 stand around smoking.
Hope it doesn't come in me and my wife are disable we use our car a lot 19000 miles a year and if this came we couldn't afford to drive. Hopefully as we have a motorbility car and don't pay road tax it might not affect us. But saying that it would be a total rip off. And we drive electric Kona as as it is cheap as chips to run we save £400 a month we electricity as to petrol. Great video
@DefinitelyNotAGuru In order to bring this in they would need to devise a system of implementation. If they had this they would bring it in tomorrow. The only true PPM system would need to have a black box GPS system that tracks your cars every movement.
So the more i work and commute, the more i will get taxes. Along with tax brackets, this country does not encourage people to work at all. I might stop working and claim some benefits then.
I'll be interested to hear how you'll swing that. It's no longer easy or simple to claim benefits just because you don't want to work. And even once you get your hands on those benefits, you'll find you have to agree to a programme of measures, one of which is to apply for a set number of job vacancies in a specified time period. If you don't it's goodbye benefits.
@@Brian-om2hh The reason I made that comment because I see this happening if that is the case. I have seen so many people swing it and claim benefits, go to their GP and mention they have mental health issues and can’t work, get ADHD or Autism diagnosis and say most work don’t fit them. This will just be another thing.
It makes more sense to tax vehicles by weight + emissions. There's already an incentive to drive less miles, there needs to be an incentive to buy smaller cars.
But taxing cars by weight would be grossly unfair for some drivers, as you might have someone with a Range Rover who drives 4000 miles a year, and someone else with a Fiat 500, who covers 15'000 miles per year. Which one uses the roads more?
If current road tax was based on emissions then why do vehicles with identical engines rate differently based on what year they were made? If tax was based on emission results proved at the MOT station, surely this would be a fairer system. PPM on top is just ridiculous!
Driving is just a mugs game these days, I'm beyond angry, whatever the final outcome is, very little will be spent on roads and will be lost in the bureaucracy of government. The money doesn't go to the places it needs too, I can honestly see the people rising up just as they did against the poll tax. I know its only speculation but ideas get put out to test the water and this will be being driven by people who will gain the most.
There’s a cost to administrate car tax, if this is replacing it then there’s a deduction to be made there. Most modern cars are connected now anyway and can report their mileage. I’m sure an update could be made. In fact the insurance boxes could become the norm for older cars and can do the job well. At the moment disabled drivers get full road tax exemption, you would hope that would transfer to this, but politicians aren’t known for their common sense.
except the insurance black boxes are falible, my daughter had several, all reported faulty speeds locations (weve just won with the ombudsman against the insurance company about this)
Because there's a limited pool from which they are able to draw from....they know they can't impose motoring taxes on people who don't drive, or don't own vehicles. The last clever little sneaky move was imposing insurance tax on motor insurance policies. They knew everyone needed car insurance by law, so it was relatively easy prey.....
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Not sure how they would check new cars that don't need an MOT for 3 years though! I'm not convinced they are going to invest tons of money in a complex system of cameras or similar. They are already making a ton of money from the unnecessary additional premium car tax!
Let's hope it's just a rumour but there's a hell of a lot of noise areound this right now and plenty of question dodging and vuagery on this by the Government.
I don't think it will come in this budget, unless it's something simple like binning road tax and putting it on petrol which I think is highly unlikely. I've just paid my road tax for a year from which starts 1st October, so that would have to refunded to me. Not possible for a whole nation. I think it's more likely that older cars with cheap tax (like my £35 a year 1.2 2015 Euro 5) will get a massive hike
This is a nonsense. Remove car tax and add an increase to the fuel duty. It’s difficult to understand but the more miles the more fuel you need to purchase. No administration end of. Move on.
But the present system of collecting tax via fuel duty won't work too well once sales volumes of petrol and diesel begin to diminish. That's why a new system is being considered. It appears the tax will switch from fuel to actual road *usage* This will mean that even those who live off-grid, and charge their EV using solar, or those who somehow obtain fuel for free, will still pay their share to use the roads.
No one knows if it’s likely to be announced. Pure speculation. Anyway, we already have pay per mile, it’s called fuel duty. The further you drive, the more duty/tax you pay.
@@garymellor7997 I think Jim like many other car industry commentators have been talking about this more and more. The government has done little to quell the fear of PPM taxing so I would say it's extremely likely to come up in the budget as Jim suggests
Had a meeting with a senior gov’ advisor three weeks ago who stated that it was their aim to get people out of cars. The meeting was 40 miles away from my home - I pointed out that taking the bus would have meant I would have been 1.5 hours late for the meeting, train would have involved a 25 mile drive to the station.
What exactly is the purpose of that? it's one of their biggest cash cows...I'm 20 mins drive from a train station msyelf and 10 mins walk from a sodding bus!
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru . I know, they think we all live in major cities, I’m actually about to work on a transport project over the next few weeks , the results might be interesting.
It is all connected to the 15 minute neighbourhoods, they don't want you moving around. They would prefer you to be confined to one area, like medieval peasants.
How would it benefit the government to get people out of cars? The Treasury rake in £35 billion each year from the UK motorist. Plus no car industry would mean millions more people out of work. How will this be advantageous to either the government or the economy? Around 800'000 people are employed in the UK car making industry, along with millions more in the associated trades and businesses that supply it. Plus jobs would go at car dealerships, oil refineries, motorway service stations, fuel tanker drivers, garage repair shops, car body repair shops, tyre fitting depots, petrol stations, the AA and RAC etc. And you thought it was just about getting rid of cars?
@@WheelieMacBin Utter nonsense. The economy couldn't function with people restricted to 15 minutes of where they lived. You probably travelled more than 15 minutes from your home in the last few days.....
Cheers Jim. Yes, defeat software (mileage blockers) is already an issue. And would people like taxis get exemptions…I might become a cabbie if so. It’s all a mess. I feel sorry for the youth who love to drive and already face crippling insurance costs. They missed out on the fun and freedom that driving gave us when we were young!
The reduction in the London speed limit to 20mph has seen a lot of cab drivers fighting to keep their once clean licence after rapidly ending up with 12 points. It's now ridiculously easy to get done for doing 23mph in what was 30.
This government will tax the motorists heavily in the next budget in one form or another. I doubt pay per mile would be workable, but extra fuel duty, and increased vehicle excise duty is almost certain. It gets an immediate revenue for the government and would help them fund really helpful stuff like hotels for migrants and millions in arms for Ukraine. We the public don’t matter to this government.
The problem is that they need to get some tax from EV's as they aren't getting fuel duty from them. Pay per mile would make sense for EVs, BUT they also want us to switch from petrol and diesel cars to EVs, so they would need to tax non-EV cars even more, otherwise there's no incentive to switch. BUT most people can't afford an EV, let alone with an additional tax burden. So all this will just fuel inflation and push interest rates back up. We're all doomed!
The way to do it is when your car is MOT'd your mileage is recorded, then next year when MOT is taken milage recorded again and you're sent a bill for your years travel. Who knows??... Basically they're going to see a huge amount of private owners doing away with a car, which is what they want, but the economy will suffer drastically...👍👍👍👍
Just a thought. If this is due to EV being more popular meaning lees money from fuel duty. What about less people smoking. Will we be charged for fresh air?
For all those that say I only do a few thousand miles I don’t care you’ll soon be caring when inflation goes up again and everything you buy goes up to offset it
So as driving instructor, who pays. Me or the pupil. Will mean less time driving and more time sitting talking about the roundabout ahead. What about delivery companies. But we can stop this very easily. Just needs the country to come together. Needs the delivery companies to refuse to deliver to ANY where in a London, Manchester , Birmingham, Glasgow , etc City Centre Addresses. To any address associated to the Labour party or it's donators businesses. ALL taxi companies refuse uplifts from any thing to do with Labours MP's. Or Labour run Councils. There are multiple non violent non direct ways of telling Labour enough is enough.
I think we need to watch this one. The 15p per mile figure is being put around but there’s nothing official has been announced. I think this may be a clever ploy, get everybody annoyed and then when the official announcement comes and it’s a much lower figure they’ll hope we’ll all sit back, say “that’s not too bad” and accept it. Then once the tax is introduced it will start to creep up.
I think it will turn out to be 6 or 7p, then everyone will breathe a sigh of relief..... They were probably looking at 6 or 7p anyway.... This lot are already treading along the path of political suicide at the next election anyway. So enraging millions of motorists will only ensure that happens for sure. You hit someone hard in their pocket, and they won't forget in a hurry....
Totally agree that odometer and black boxes are complete non-starters as methods of applying a pay per mile scheme. However, a universal ANPR based system would also be hugely expensive and take decades to cover our entire road network. I tend to think we're more likely to see motorways, trunk roads and heavily used commuter routes effectively turned into toll roads using ANPR. A tiny fraction the investment of covering the entire road network, but still get maybe 50% of the possible revenue.
Maybe the government and local councils need to look at where they can save money that is wasted. I recently did some construction work at the council depot In Aberystwyth. On a daily basis there was upwards of 20 staff stood doing jack all for an hour in the morning and for on average 3 hours in the afternoon (waiting to clock of). Then recently came the news that they are closing the children’s ward at Aberystwyth hospital. Nearest children’s ward then is 40 miles away. A serious rethink on the way the public’s money is spent is what’s needed. Everything is so complicated. Tax on this tax on that. It cost millions no doubt to chase up on all these bits and pieces of tax. Make it simple and tax everyone a higher percentage on their earnings…..I could go on all day
No government should be able to change the rules of how we pay taxes for the road infrastructure which is paid for and owned by the people not a few politicians.,there needs to be a referendum on any proposed changes for the public to decide,this is an attempt to squeeze more money out of motorists,reducing emissions as less people will be able to afford to drive,it will not make any difference to the wealthy and politicians with their extravagant expenses.
I run a SME manufacturing business that has roots on the 1940s with 12 valued long serving employees. We work on very low margins due to overseas copyists filling tin shed with poor quality imitation goods. I could not pass on those sort of increase to my customers, so unfortunately if this government / self promoted defenders of the workers, do this it will put the final nail in the coffin and the business will close. We may be small but there are many similar skilled businesses that don’t make huge profits that will just give up.
If payper mile does in fact come in and it is charged retrospectively I can see many people who are currently just keeping their heads above water saying "Sorry, but I don't have the money to pay this bill". What then will the government do? Take the car off them to pay the bill? An old banger would not be worth the money owed, arguments as to value of said car. Put them in prison? That would also cost more than the money owed. No car, not able to get to work, go on benefits, thats a real money earner for the government. Best outcome is to keep current V.E.D. but charge electric vehicles same as I.C.E. ones and make some real money. Pay up front, or dont use your vehicle. The technology to catch untaxed vehicles is already in place. Surely the first rule of law making is do not make a law that cannot reasonably be enforced. But then since when do governments have common sense.
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Have you noticed how the price of fuel has been dropping lately? that is so, when they increase the tax, the rise won't seem so bad but then the price will go back up again. We are not stupid, we know what they are doing, well we are stupid because we will let them get away with it.
15p/mile and average of 7400 miles per year means £35 increases to £1110 or 3,071% increase. Write to your MP now. For me, equity is 0.47 pence per mile. 15p? NO!
Bottom line more tax that will cost a fortune to be administered and on the will be totally counterproductive. And really stifle growth in the economy!!!
Surely, if they want to implement this, all the duty needs to be removed from petrol & diesel? The price of electricity at electric charging points also needs to be reduced, otherwise the Government are having you over a barrel TWICE, without lube 😳😡🤬 #starmerout #labourout
Marcus, how long will it be before its goes up to £400, £500, there is always another black hole to fill, no matter what is suggested we will all be screwed.
I currently pay £160 VED per year for a ULEZ Clean air zone friendly 1.2 petrol hatchback doing about 8000 miles per year taking people to hospital and doctors appointments…..if pay per mile comes in at 6p per mile it will be £480 per year….so a lot of people won’t be going to their appointments as I do this voluntary…..I won’t be doing it any more…..and don’t think about public transport around here as your lucky to get a bus every 2 hrs if it runs and if it goes anywhere near you need to get to, and anything after 6 pm forget it….
More to the point if they were using your cars odometer to charge you they would have to note down your mileage every time you leave and re-enter the UK. It's chaos at the best of times at ports/channel tunnel without that to do!
I think we are more likely to see the end of the fuel duty cap being announced. 5p a litre duty increase, particularly as fuel prices have fallen recently, they'll see it as the perfect opportunity to increase the duty. Much easier to implement and a massive instant increase in revenue.
It seems like a given that the fuel cap will go. They should look to properly regulate the retailers as that would probably do more for the pricing than the cap did.
@polakmay5308 The price of crude oil has fallen. I know this government are clueless, but surely they have more sense than to add 25p to a litre! The impact that would have would be massive.
Black boxes fitted. That's cheapest but they'll be mandatory and fines imposed. The cost of goods will rise for everyone guaranteed and motorists will pay twice. Not the way to kickstart an economy.
Think of the poor bugger next year with their "luxury" Vauxhall Astra that has a list price of over £40K, paying £600 (£190+£410) for five years in road tax, plus another £1,500 in pay per mile tax every year 😬
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru problem is, even if they bring it ina at say 1p per mile, we all know they will keep increasing it (much like Insurance Premium Tax)
I have always said road tax/ pollution charge should be paid on fuel. Everyone has to buy it. The more used will be based on 2 things. Fuel efficiency and weight of vehicle. These are the factors that determine litres consumption. Also less fuel efficiency is due to weight of vehicle which also determines road surface wear.
Like thousands of others my son drives to work and back , around 200 miles a week.At 15p per mile he will work the first few hours for NOTHING , and dont say he should get the bus because he is going to the bus depot!
I visit my father in law every 2 to 3 weeks. A journey of 200 miles each way. If I can’t afford the tax will the government put in carers to look after him and do what I do for him?
Is it 15p per mile, or 0.15p per mile? Are you mistaking £.15 with 0.15. No one in the right mind would suggest a tax of 15p per mile . For an average of 10,000 miles that would be £1,500 vs £15.00. Totally unaffordable
Don't agree with it but if your going to do it just put a new duty on petrol and diesel and get rid of vehicle tax. That would be easily and cheaply done, it would be straight forward for the government to collect, no one could avoid it and drivers would pay their fair share for road usage and pollution created. The only problem will be it don't cover electric cars, so raise vehicle tax on them to the average usage equivalent.
This could easily be checked by looking at the mileage recorded on the cars' mot. This would mean that, like road tax, it would be charged in one dunt. I live rurally and life without a car would be impossible.
Yep, no way the Odometer thing will work as what about the people who drive abraod once a year ?? ( i do up to 1500-2000 miles a year abroad in the summer ) Plus are they going to charge all the foreign vehicles who come into this country?? If not every haluage firm will just open a small depot in france or belgium. Get all their vehicles registered to that depot and then drive them over here for nothing!!
could it possibly work by stopping the annual car tax and put petrol/diesel prices up so the biggest increase would be for the high mileage users with the biggest cars, and have an annual car tax just for EVs. This should reduce emissions by encouraging people to buy EVs/hybrids or smaller cars. But as always the government will set the bar so low that it will say the average mileage is 2000 miles
This whole thing could have possibly been something leaked by the Government so that we feel happy when they just stick 10p on fuel duty. Let's wait for the budget I guess but I just wish people would stop lobbying for PPM when they have no idea how it might look!
Here is a thought. Consider people in the traveller community and there is also a much larger community and ever growing of people choosing to live a "van life". Police are going to end up costing people money if they are parked up and they insist that the person has to move along. I see many videos of were public land is completely accessible without parking restrictions but police just don't want them their and when it comes to private property it's obviously a civil matter . This is all going to get very messy for many people.
Whatever is implemented, we already know it will cost more except for a tiny minority. It also will disproportionately affect rural dwellers over their city counterparts, especially those living in the London transport region, who like me, who have easy alternatives, so more 'unleveling' then. Yet still they do nothing about the huge increase in unlicensed and uninsured drivers (I wonder where they all came from?).
Great coimment Chris, let's hope the tax issue is nothign but paper talk or possibly something leaked by the Government so that we feel happy when they just stick 10p on fuel duty.
its very simple scrap road tax put duty on petrol ? like there isn't enough already , and more miles you do more petrol you use , more tax you pay ,,,,,,,,will starmer pay for the private jet the two faced Fokker
Even if someone drives less it will be hit as well. Someone else brings their food, someone else delivers their products. I think no one dreams about bringing a washine machine by train. - I was not let on the bus with paint - so good luck supporting anti car policies.
The scary bit is that once it has been introduced even if its starts at 2ppm its only going to go one way just like the standing charges on Gas/Electric. Every successive Government will see it as an easy cash cow and just push it up and up and up.
There are working systems across Europe. Local roads are “free” to use; high speed roads, motorways, you buy vignette. But UK is all about tax. Similar is with low emissions zones, charging daily. In France, you pay one time and it’s valid as long as car exist.
Pay per mile systems don't make any sense if govts want people to buy low emission economical cars. Fuel duty is cheap to administer and very effective in raising tax while encouraging less use and economical cars. The flat rate ved clearly shows that lowering co2 isn't a priority.
If the roads were in a good state I wouldn’t mind it but it’s ridiculous we pay enough tax in this country! I drive for work so I will be paying £900 extra per year!! Beyond a joke the Uk now!!
Apparently raising the duty on fuel by 5p per litre would raise £2 billion a year, surely a way easier method of raising revenue from the motorist than messing around with pay per mile ??
The Previous Figure WAS 6p Per Mile, Which was High Enough Who and Where DID The Figure Of 15p PER MILE COME FROM: THE THIEVING LABOUR PARTY, THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO RUN A COUNTRY, : CHANCERS THE WHOLE LOT OF THE DONATION THIEVES ???.
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This country is getting mad
It is
The UK is merely the beta test bed for what is going to be rolled out GLOBALLY over the next few years. After that?
getting? almost 1/3 the uk population is millennials lol 14 fkn million of em , and then folk wonder why its gone tits up lolol
Time to leave. Go where you are wanted and not milked like a slave.
@@BartMiko it’s getting greedy
Rural drivers who cannot get around without a vehicle due to lack of public transportation will be adversely affected by this type of taxation
Yep
I am 7 miles from a petrol station 15 from a supermarket and an hour from a major road 😢
But you also get to live in the countryside…. There are pros and cons of city v rural living.
@@jamesdaw131yes, living in the country, sky high council tax and absolutely no services!
@@jeffreyroberts7438 Yes but Rutland is a very nice place to live (most expensive council tax).
Nottingham City (second highest) isn't so nice and there are no services as the council is skint. They can't even reliably empty the bins on time! 😂
The grass isn't always greener!
ANPR will surely just see a rise in cloned registration plates… 🤔
Good point
Definitely, number plate cloning will go through the roof.
Most of my mileage is visiting family living in the sticks on mostly unclassified roads. No moron is going to go to the expense of putting cameras in those locations, so maybe folks living in remote areas won't be hit by an ANPR solution as much as a mileage tax based on MOT mileage. And what about new cars which don't have MOT tests for a couple of years?
@@rugbygirlsdadg A new car is not liable for an MOT test for three years after it's first registration....unless used as a taxi, in which case it requires an MOT each year from new....
Suddenly the risk outweighs the cost, makes sense.
I do 52 miles per day just to get to work and back. I'm just a truck driver living in a rural area, so public transport is not an optional and work irregular hours. Ppm sounds absolutely terrifying to me...
Think how much extra tax your employer would be liable for too...let's hope for leniency
@DefinitelyNotAGuru My employer is Tesco, and probably doesn't care how much it costs- they will be able to pass it onto the customer. They are already paying £1200 pa for every six wheel traction unit...
Problem is that those who need to drive to and from work can’t re-coup the cost. The guy who drove to work to drive a Tesco lorry and then shops at Tesco is hit twice.
Government is about easy targets. Work, drive, drink, smoke, buy the basics get taxed at source and for the extras.
@@laurencemoore5737 basics of booze and fags? jeez, i think i just became a fan of government lolololololololol
@@GdaySport I'm on 40 miles Monday to Friday, that's 200 miles a week just for work. Absolutely disgusting. The government have gone insane!!!
Sales of aluminium foil are going to increase massively 😉
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The cameras would be ripped down as fast as they go up.
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Remember what happened to the ULEZ cameras?
@@tonyhaynes9080 Has ULEZ been stopped?, no. Has the tax payer had to pay to replace the cameras?, yes!
And you'd end up paying increased Council Tax to repair or replace ripped down cameras..... Where else do you suppose the money will come from?
@@Brian-om2hhCentral government. Cant see local councils paying for it for all the money to go to government.
This will lead to people driving around in untaxed, uninsured, cars with no mot as well. They can’t force people to buy black boxes to put in their vehicles.
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They won't really need to, as most cars built within the last 10+ years already have a tracking facility integrated....plus if you've got your mobile phone with you, and it's switched on, that'll do nicely.....
They won't need a black box. Do you own a smart phone?
@@bobjames6622 and? How will they charge you from that?
dude, they forced folk to have a tv licence and pay poll tax
I've seen a lot people getting confused thinking Pay Per Mile tax is magically linked to the MPG of their diesel/petrol car and stating they get 600 miles to the tank so they will better off..... WTF!
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@@OldCodeMonkey like when people say it still only costs me a tenner to fill up 😂
@@johncutmore3510 Or the “I’d rather stick with my 40 year old Vauxhall Viva…” 😂
@@johncutmore3510 if it was 'filling up' that would be true
Is it me, but are there more stupid people around these days.
I don’t remember the 80’s and 90’s having this many stupid people walking around.
I really think the food quality and the seed oils they poison people with are doing some damage.
Add the fluoride they add to the water, I think there is a lowering of I.Q levels.
It'd get the winter fuel payments out of the spotlight, but really doubt this would be workable.
ANPR would just force people onto backroads or induce a crazy amount of cloning and getting it from MOTs would just have people clocking cars.
You can't charge somebody the same for driving 20 miles to the nearest bus stop in the Highlands as for 20 miles in central London driving past multiple tube stations.
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indeed but we will start to see thoe wealthier areas hit harder than us id hope under labour
Getting mileage from MOTs… ? questionable for those who drive thousands of miles on the continent each year. Plus all those foreign plated vehicles?
@@Starmerispureevil And not everyone bothers to get an MOT each year. Owners of foreign plated vehicles are - by law - legally obliged to register their vehicles with the DVLA if they intend to stay in the UK for 6 Months or more. Although few seem to....
@@Brian-om2hh Indeed, at our previous house the neighbour had an Italian registered car for the seven years we lived there. Doubt if it were taxed, insured or had any kind of annual test, but she happily pottered around town in it.
How much more tax can they wring out of motorists! Sooner or later we are going to get priced out of this Gov. cash cow.
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how many times are there 4 passengers with you in your 5 seater car?
When that happens the people who are for it will be taxed on something they love to fill the black hole left by no one driving their cars anymore.
I will retire and sell the car. Pay zero income tax, zero NI contributions, zero insurance tax, no VEL or fuel duty.....
I will not pay an extra £1000 a year to go to work to do a job that I enjoy - I will just work part-time in a scratty job near home.
Cash in hand like everyone on benefits...... ?
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millennials thinking right there
There is no such thing as 'Cash in Hand'work anymore.... Technology put an end to that years ago.
@@chrisd924 i literally just paid folk cash in hand :) so it depends... :)
Little do you know! @@chrisd924
Always been a fan of your excel spreadsheet Jim 😊 brilliant content, thank you
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Go back to the purpose of this Tax, its because we dont have enough money to fund the roads because we used C02 as a way of bringing in money and with EVs that leaves a black hole. If we made roads more efficiently we wouldnt need as much money to fund it. I've put forward internal cost savings to how we manage our road contracts but its not biting. They dont want to listen and its so annoying. Really having a Tax break on EU class A or making a Kei car segment in the UK would save the maintenance on the roads, lower congestion, clean up the air and being reasonable with Tax (fixed at £10 a month for them and EVs) and the problem is solved.
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You go to work, pay all your bills and if you are lucky have £40 or £50 left over each week to save for Christmas or a holiday.
Thats the bit you work for and thats the bit they are coming for.
Your Christmas and holiday money.
What they havent though about is once that bit you have left is grabbed from you, what are you actually working for ? The state will pay your rent and council tax, give you money for food.
So why bother.
People will give up, pack working in and lay on the dole.
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I suspect that what you mean is *more* people will give up and live on the dole.
You'll get sod all if you Jack your job. Its not that easy.
Tax Christmas next?
Its not just rural our new towns were built and have bad public transport etc so its not like cities with tubes and buses every 10 mins or so it will rake in money but fuel inflation and businesses will be hit
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here is a novel idea that already exist in other European countries -> motorway vignette. They are date based for either a short duration (day, week) for tourist or hilday drivers or you pay for a month, or year. if you are caught without one while on the motorway you pay a fine and get points on the license. if you are in rural area and don't have access or use motorways you don't need one, otherwise most people will pay for an annual one. and you can just set the pricing exactly what you want it to be and give discounts to whomever you need to (low income people, veterans, disabled people, pensioners etc.) you can use exactly the same systems you use for car tax to pay for this electronically and it will cost the government almost nothing to set up as it's exactly the same system they already have for just with a different name. Or just forget this entire thing and just increase the car tax as that is system already in place so there is no extra cost associated with it to come up and implement a completely new system, cause you know that will end up being millions upon million of pounds.
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Or just put fuel duty up
Then everyone will want to live in Dorset because we don't have a motorway. 😂
If they were to fix the roads in EVERY street in my area then I perhaps wouldn’t grudge paying 15ppm but it will never happen. I think my local roads department are hiding in a dark basement somewhere. One watches the basement door and the other 5 stand around smoking.
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We already pay enough money to fix the roads through vehicle tax and fuel duty. It's not used for that but rerouted for benefits....
Hope it doesn't come in me and my wife are disable we use our car a lot 19000 miles a year and if this came we couldn't afford to drive. Hopefully as we have a motorbility car and don't pay road tax it might not affect us. But saying that it would be a total rip off. And we drive electric Kona as as it is cheap as chips to run we save £400 a month we electricity as to petrol. Great video
Surely they’d do something to help disabled folk? Although look what they’re doing to pensioners…
ANPR camera have been put up already nationally.
Not enough, nowhere near enough
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru disagree
They might get accidentally damaged?
@@glenn5328 And as a result, you may find your local Council Tax increasing to pay for that damage.
@DefinitelyNotAGuru In order to bring this in they would need to devise a system of implementation. If they had this they would bring it in tomorrow. The only true PPM system would need to have a black box GPS system that tracks your cars every movement.
Every one go on strike not drive not get any tax then be a tax if we breath
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So the more i work and commute, the more i will get taxes. Along with tax brackets, this country does not encourage people to work at all. I might stop working and claim some benefits then.
Shameful eh
more like just another excuse to be a bum
I'll be interested to hear how you'll swing that. It's no longer easy or simple to claim benefits just because you don't want to work. And even once you get your hands on those benefits, you'll find you have to agree to a programme of measures, one of which is to apply for a set number of job vacancies in a specified time period. If you don't it's goodbye benefits.
@@Brian-om2hh The reason I made that comment because I see this happening if that is the case. I have seen so many people swing it and claim benefits, go to their GP and mention they have mental health issues and can’t work, get ADHD or Autism diagnosis and say most work don’t fit them. This will just be another thing.
It makes more sense to tax vehicles by weight + emissions. There's already an incentive to drive less miles, there needs to be an incentive to buy smaller cars.
I think we should go back to the tax disc and just base it on the fuel. A diesel costs X, a petrol costs X, a Hybrid costs X, an EV costs X. Simple.
But taxing cars by weight would be grossly unfair for some drivers, as you might have someone with a Range Rover who drives 4000 miles a year, and someone else with a Fiat 500, who covers 15'000 miles per year. Which one uses the roads more?
@@Brian-om2hhyes but heavy car damage the roads more. There probably is a better way.
@@keithbrown339 Loaded vans and trucks also wear the roads out, but that doesn't seem to have been a big issue before now....
If current road tax was based on emissions then why do vehicles with identical engines rate differently based on what year they were made? If tax was based on emission results proved at the MOT station, surely this would be a fairer system. PPM on top is just ridiculous!
I trust that commercial,trade and heavy vehicles are going to be taxed the same . I would like to hear that section of the motoring industry?????
That would really screw the economy if so
They will pass it on. They couldn't possibly absorb it.
Driving is just a mugs game these days, I'm beyond angry, whatever the final outcome is, very little will be spent on roads and will be lost in the bureaucracy of government. The money doesn't go to the places it needs too, I can honestly see the people rising up just as they did against the poll tax. I know its only speculation but ideas get put out to test the water and this will be being driven by people who will gain the most.
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There’s a cost to administrate car tax, if this is replacing it then there’s a deduction to be made there.
Most modern cars are connected now anyway and can report their mileage. I’m sure an update could be made. In fact the insurance boxes could become the norm for older cars and can do the job well.
At the moment disabled drivers get full road tax exemption, you would hope that would transfer to this, but politicians aren’t known for their common sense.
It's all hackable so let's see
except the insurance black boxes are falible, my daughter had several, all reported faulty speeds locations (weve just won with the ombudsman against the insurance company about this)
how come its always the MOTORISTS that gets PUNISHED its easy targets
It's everyone Les
Because there's a limited pool from which they are able to draw from....they know they can't impose motoring taxes on people who don't drive, or don't own vehicles. The last clever little sneaky move was imposing insurance tax on motor insurance policies. They knew everyone needed car insurance by law, so it was relatively easy prey.....
I suspect they may well go down the self assessment route with random checks carried out.
People will just routinely clock their cars
I’ll declare driving 3000 miles a year. God knows who drove the other 27000 miles in my car 🤷🏻♂️
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Not sure how they would check new cars that don't need an MOT for 3 years though! I'm not convinced they are going to invest tons of money in a complex system of cameras or similar. They are already making a ton of money from the unnecessary additional premium car tax!
@@maff257they could say they have to go in annually for a mileage check. Would only take a minute and charge 5 or 10 pounds.
They can foxtrot oscar Jim no way I am paying it.
I will clock mine.
Honestly they are taking the complete piss.
Let's hope it's just a rumour but there's a hell of a lot of noise areound this right now and plenty of question dodging and vuagery on this by the Government.
anyone watched coldfusion video on privacy in vechiles tax is just becoming daft now
I haven't
@@alexcavallucci9958 yes. Terrifying. Thankfully its not as bad here in our hellhole we call the uk
I don't think it will come in this budget, unless it's something simple like binning road tax and putting it on petrol which I think is highly unlikely. I've just paid my road tax for a year from which starts 1st October, so that would have to refunded to me. Not possible for a whole nation. I think it's more likely that older cars with cheap tax (like my £35 a year 1.2 2015 Euro 5) will get a massive hike
It's all getting a bit daft. Let's hope for leniency
I've heard that road tax will have a base of £190 for cars to include EV's
@@ohyesitsme That's what I have read and seen.
@@ohyesitsme can they legally back date it? Most new taxes are not back payable.
As far as have heard there are no plans for this, just rightwing internet fear mongering ,I hope I am wrong but you never know .🤞🤞🤞
I'm not right wing, or left wing for that matter. Common sense suggests this is coming and the rumour mill is alive with this one right now
I hope you a wrong as it would affect rural people in places like the north of Scotland unfairly
so do I!
Oh, the “right wing” slur. Grow up mate.
If it isnt it will be left wing reality.
This is a nonsense. Remove car tax and add an increase to the fuel duty. It’s difficult to understand but the more miles the more fuel you need to purchase. No administration end of.
Move on.
Fuel duty is already huge and how would they charge it on electric cars?
But the present system of collecting tax via fuel duty won't work too well once sales volumes of petrol and diesel begin to diminish. That's why a new system is being considered. It appears the tax will switch from fuel to actual road *usage* This will mean that even those who live off-grid, and charge their EV using solar, or those who somehow obtain fuel for free, will still pay their share to use the roads.
No one knows if it’s likely to be announced. Pure speculation. Anyway, we already have pay per mile, it’s called fuel duty. The further you drive, the more duty/tax you pay.
Speculation indeed, so I hope people stop asking for it before they know what it will be!
Not f you drive an EV!
@@helipeek2736 ….for now.!
The only people who they need to sort out are EV drivers. Any new system should only apply to EV's, as ICE drivers pay fuel duty already.
@@garymellor7997 I think Jim like many other car industry commentators have been talking about this more and more. The government has done little to quell the fear of PPM taxing so I would say it's extremely likely to come up in the budget as Jim suggests
Try to do this in France and the French people would be out in the streets protesting....
Here a moron will throw a brick at Greggs
Had a meeting with a senior gov’ advisor three weeks ago who stated that it was their aim to get people out of cars. The meeting was 40 miles away from my home - I pointed out that taking the bus would have meant I would have been 1.5 hours late for the meeting, train would have involved a 25 mile drive to the station.
What exactly is the purpose of that? it's one of their biggest cash cows...I'm 20 mins drive from a train station msyelf and 10 mins walk from a sodding bus!
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru . I know, they think we all live in major cities, I’m actually about to work on a transport project over the next few weeks , the results might be interesting.
It is all connected to the 15 minute neighbourhoods, they don't want you moving around. They would prefer you to be confined to one area, like medieval peasants.
How would it benefit the government to get people out of cars? The Treasury rake in £35 billion each year from the UK motorist. Plus no car industry would mean millions more people out of work. How will this be advantageous to either the government or the economy? Around 800'000 people are employed in the UK car making industry, along with millions more in the associated trades and businesses that supply it. Plus jobs would go at car dealerships, oil refineries, motorway service stations, fuel tanker drivers, garage repair shops, car body repair shops, tyre fitting depots, petrol stations, the AA and RAC etc. And you thought it was just about getting rid of cars?
@@WheelieMacBin Utter nonsense. The economy couldn't function with people restricted to 15 minutes of where they lived. You probably travelled more than 15 minutes from your home in the last few days.....
Cheers Jim. Yes, defeat software (mileage blockers) is already an issue. And would people like taxis get exemptions…I might become a cabbie if so. It’s all a mess. I feel sorry for the youth who love to drive and already face crippling insurance costs. They missed out on the fun and freedom that driving gave us when we were young!
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There's so much traffic on the roads now that driving isn't fun any more for anyone.
@@rugbygirlsdadg we dont all live in the bronx thanks
The reduction in the London speed limit to 20mph has seen a lot of cab drivers fighting to keep their once clean licence after rapidly ending up with 12 points. It's now ridiculously easy to get done for doing 23mph in what was 30.
@@BigYouDog 20mph lololl can literally run faster
This government will tax the motorists heavily in the next budget in one form or another. I doubt pay per mile would be workable, but extra fuel duty, and increased vehicle excise duty is almost certain. It gets an immediate revenue for the government and would help them fund really helpful stuff like hotels for migrants and millions in arms for Ukraine. We the public don’t matter to this government.
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The problem is that they need to get some tax from EV's as they aren't getting fuel duty from them. Pay per mile would make sense for EVs, BUT they also want us to switch from petrol and diesel cars to EVs, so they would need to tax non-EV cars even more, otherwise there's no incentive to switch. BUT most people can't afford an EV, let alone with an additional tax burden. So all this will just fuel inflation and push interest rates back up. We're all doomed!
The way to do it is when your car is MOT'd your mileage is recorded, then next year when MOT is taken milage recorded again and you're sent a bill for your years travel. Who knows??... Basically they're going to see a huge amount of private owners doing away with a car, which is what they want, but the economy will suffer drastically...👍👍👍👍
Just a thought. If this is due to EV being more popular meaning lees money from fuel duty. What about less people smoking. Will we be charged for fresh air?
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I bet that 90% of annual mileage comes from commuting to work. It is basically punishing working people yet again.
YES!
For all those that say I only do a few thousand miles I don’t care you’ll soon be caring when inflation goes up again and everything you buy goes up to offset it
Exactly
I already pay per mile everytime I fill up my tank. NO!!!
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We already pay by the mile, the tax we pay on fuel…
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So as driving instructor, who pays. Me or the pupil. Will mean less time driving and more time sitting talking about the roundabout ahead. What about delivery companies.
But we can stop this very easily. Just needs the country to come together. Needs the delivery companies to refuse to deliver to ANY where in a London, Manchester , Birmingham, Glasgow , etc City Centre Addresses. To any address associated to the Labour party or it's donators businesses. ALL taxi companies refuse uplifts from any thing to do with Labours MP's. Or Labour run Councils.
There are multiple non violent non direct ways of telling Labour enough is enough.
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I think we need to watch this one. The 15p per mile figure is being put around but there’s nothing official has been announced. I think this may be a clever ploy, get everybody annoyed and then when the official announcement comes and it’s a much lower figure they’ll hope we’ll all sit back, say “that’s not too bad” and accept it. Then once the tax is introduced it will start to creep up.
Very likely - the 15p seems daft which is why I started at 2p - I’m sure it’ll be on top of something else anyway, and fuel tax of course.
I think that's pretty much the plan.....
I think it will turn out to be 6 or 7p, then everyone will breathe a sigh of relief..... They were probably looking at 6 or 7p anyway.... This lot are already treading along the path of political suicide at the next election anyway. So enraging millions of motorists will only ensure that happens for sure. You hit someone hard in their pocket, and they won't forget in a hurry....
Totally agree that odometer and black boxes are complete non-starters as methods of applying a pay per mile scheme. However, a universal ANPR based system would also be hugely expensive and take decades to cover our entire road network.
I tend to think we're more likely to see motorways, trunk roads and heavily used commuter routes effectively turned into toll roads using ANPR. A tiny fraction the investment of covering the entire road network, but still get maybe 50% of the possible revenue.
That seems far more workable doesn’t it.
.. the idea of Higher Fuel-duty Only, NO Road Tax, was mooted years ago.
- That's proportionate charging, surely??
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Maybe the government and local councils need to look at where they can save money that is wasted. I recently did some construction work at the council depot In Aberystwyth. On a daily basis there was upwards of 20 staff stood doing jack all for an hour in the morning and for on average 3 hours in the afternoon (waiting to clock of). Then recently came the news that they are closing the children’s ward at Aberystwyth hospital. Nearest children’s ward then is 40 miles away. A serious rethink on the way the public’s money is spent is what’s needed. Everything is so complicated. Tax on this tax on that. It cost millions no doubt to chase up on all these bits and pieces of tax. Make it simple and tax everyone a higher percentage on their earnings…..I could go on all day
Wastage is huge whenever public money is at play
Absolutely crazy, won't be worth working... Zero public transport for my rural commute for a 12 hour shift....
Let’s hope this doesn’t happen
No government should be able to change the rules of how we pay taxes for the road infrastructure which is paid for and owned by the people not a few politicians.,there needs to be a referendum on any proposed changes for the public to decide,this is an attempt to squeeze more money out of motorists,reducing emissions as less people will be able to afford to drive,it will not make any difference to the wealthy and politicians with their extravagant expenses.
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Additional tax is more like it, whilst HMRC rate for using your own car has been 45p for how long
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Just like the Poll Tax, great idea until they got greedy and wanted too much per person, same for this.
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I run a SME manufacturing business that has roots on the 1940s with 12 valued long serving employees. We work on very low margins due to overseas copyists filling tin shed with poor quality imitation goods. I could not pass on those sort of increase to my customers, so unfortunately if this government / self promoted defenders of the workers, do this it will put the final nail in the coffin and the business will close. We may be small but there are many similar skilled businesses that don’t make huge profits that will just give up.
Let’s hope this doesn’t happen
If payper mile does in fact come in and it is charged retrospectively I can see many people who are currently just keeping their heads above water saying "Sorry, but I don't have the money to pay this bill". What then will the government do? Take the car off them to pay the bill? An old banger would not be worth the money owed, arguments as to value of said car. Put them in prison? That would also cost more than the money owed. No car, not able to get to work, go on benefits, thats a real money earner for the government. Best outcome is to keep current V.E.D. but charge electric vehicles same as I.C.E. ones and make some real money. Pay up front, or dont use your vehicle. The technology to catch untaxed vehicles is already in place. Surely the first rule of law making is do not make a law that cannot reasonably be enforced. But then since when do governments have common sense.
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If I was a betting man I would bet on fuel duty rising.
No infra structure required, instant flow of cash, and it has not been increased for 12 years.
Same here actually
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Have you noticed how the price of fuel has been dropping lately? that is so, when they increase the tax, the rise won't seem so bad but then the price will go back up again. We are not stupid, we know what they are doing, well we are stupid because we will let them get away with it.
How long before it's £1 a mile😮😮😮😮
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15p/mile and average of 7400 miles per year means £35 increases to £1110 or 3,071% increase.
Write to your MP now.
For me, equity is 0.47 pence per mile. 15p? NO!
Bottom line more tax that will cost a fortune to be administered and on the will be totally counterproductive. And really stifle growth in the economy!!!
Yep
Perhaps that's why Labour feels it's a wonderful idea.....
They can piss off. we already pay per mile, it's called fuel duty?
They can pi55 off with a lot of their plans but we will just bend over and let them shaft us as we always do.
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Surely, if they want to implement this, all the duty needs to be removed from petrol & diesel? The price of electricity at electric charging points also needs to be reduced, otherwise the Government are having you over a barrel TWICE, without lube 😳😡🤬 #starmerout #labourout
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There will be lube but they will charge you for it.
Here’s an idea, a flat road tax of circa £350 per car per year, raises £12bn I.e. road budget, job done. Save me a journey and post me my knighthood.
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Marcus, how long will it be before its goes up to £400, £500, there is always another black hole to fill, no matter what is suggested we will all be screwed.
@@briankavanagh7191 There wouldn't be if they didn't keep creating the black holes.
So there won’t be any taxis when/if this comes into play then? Average annual mileage is 30k+ for a taxi
If fuel duty was completely dropped, I'd be happy to pay per mile... But i think it'll simply be in addition.
15p per mile would be political and economic suicide, a Liz Truss moment.
I currently pay £160 VED per year for a ULEZ Clean air zone friendly 1.2 petrol hatchback doing about 8000 miles per year taking people to hospital and doctors appointments…..if pay per mile comes in at 6p per mile it will be £480 per year….so a lot of people won’t be going to their appointments as I do this voluntary…..I won’t be doing it any more…..and don’t think about public transport around here as your lucky to get a bus every 2 hrs if it runs and if it goes anywhere near you need to get to, and anything after 6 pm forget it….
Let’s hope it doesn’t happen
It's ok though because there won't be any hospital appointments for them to go to anyway.
@@allthegearnotaclue so true…it’s certainly heading that way….sadly
Wise words Jim. Agree entirely!
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I will stop working and then claim benefits and sells tuff online if they do this
Holidays using a car will dry up and leave our tourist destinations to die…?
Let’s hope it doesn’t happen
More to the point if they were using your cars odometer to charge you they would have to note down your mileage every time you leave and re-enter the UK. It's chaos at the best of times at ports/channel tunnel without that to do!
Imagine if your daily commute is 57miles each way! It’s another tax on working.
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One thing you never mentioned they could just put up the price of fuel then you cant escape paying
I think we are more likely to see the end of the fuel duty cap being announced. 5p a litre duty increase, particularly as fuel prices have fallen recently, they'll see it as the perfect opportunity to increase the duty. Much easier to implement and a massive instant increase in revenue.
@@trevorphillips3055 More like 25p because of war in Ukraine.
It seems like a given that the fuel cap will go. They should look to properly regulate the retailers as that would probably do more for the pricing than the cap did.
@polakmay5308 The price of crude oil has fallen. I know this government are clueless, but surely they have more sense than to add 25p to a litre! The impact that would have would be massive.
Labour have strongly hinted they will remove the fuel duty escalator, and it is possible we'll see a 10p per litre increase on fuel....
Black boxes fitted. That's cheapest but they'll be mandatory and fines imposed. The cost of goods will rise for everyone guaranteed and motorists will pay twice. Not the way to kickstart an economy.
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Think of the poor bugger next year with their "luxury" Vauxhall Astra that has a list price of over £40K, paying £600 (£190+£410) for five years in road tax, plus another £1,500 in pay per mile tax every year 😬
Ouch!
End tax on petrol and it might work. But 5000 miles a year at 15p per mile (which ive read about) will be £750
I can only think (hope) that the 15p is a nonsense - I'm sure a tabloid probably came up with that figure but who knows
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru problem is, even if they bring it ina at say 1p per mile, we all know they will keep increasing it (much like Insurance Premium Tax)
People won't tolerate that.
I have always said road tax/ pollution charge should be paid on fuel. Everyone has to buy it. The more used will be based on 2 things. Fuel efficiency and weight of vehicle. These are the factors that determine litres consumption. Also less fuel efficiency is due to weight of vehicle which also determines road surface wear.
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Like thousands of others my son drives to work and back , around 200 miles a week.At 15p per mile he will work the first few hours for NOTHING , and dont say he should get the bus because he is going to the bus depot!
Let’s hope it doesn’t happen
I visit my father in law every 2 to 3 weeks. A journey of 200 miles each way. If I can’t afford the tax will the government put in carers to look after him and do what I do for him?
Hopefully something you won’t have to worry about, for the moment at least. Video coming tomorrow
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Is it 15p per mile, or 0.15p per mile? Are you mistaking £.15 with 0.15. No one in the right mind would suggest a tax of 15p per mile . For an average of 10,000 miles that would be £1,500 vs £15.00. Totally unaffordable
15p - the rumour in all the press is 12-15p not .012! DO you realise how much you're currently paying per mile in terms of fuel duty???
Don't agree with it but if your going to do it just put a new duty on petrol and diesel and get rid of vehicle tax. That would be easily and cheaply done, it would be straight forward for the government to collect, no one could avoid it and drivers would pay their fair share for road usage and pollution created. The only problem will be it don't cover electric cars, so raise vehicle tax on them to the average usage equivalent.
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This could easily be checked by looking at the mileage recorded on the cars' mot. This would mean that, like road tax, it would be charged in one dunt. I live rurally and life without a car would be impossible.
A car can be clocked in about 30 seconds and there’s no MOT for first 3 years on new cars and none on very old cars.
Yep, no way the Odometer thing will work as what about the people who drive abraod once a year ?? ( i do up to 1500-2000 miles a year abroad in the summer ) Plus are they going to charge all the foreign vehicles who come into this country?? If not every haluage firm will just open a small depot in france or belgium. Get all their vehicles registered to that depot and then drive them over here for nothing!!
I agree - no MOT for the first 3 years either
could it possibly work by stopping the annual car tax and put petrol/diesel prices up so the biggest increase would be for the high mileage users with the biggest cars, and have an annual car tax just for EVs. This should reduce emissions by encouraging people to buy EVs/hybrids or smaller cars. But as always the government will set the bar so low that it will say the average mileage is 2000 miles
This whole thing could have possibly been something leaked by the Government so that we feel happy when they just stick 10p on fuel duty. Let's wait for the budget I guess but I just wish people would stop lobbying for PPM when they have no idea how it might look!
What do you think will happen to independent contractors food delivery drivers who are already struggling to beat the minimum wage ?
Nothing hopefully as I’m hoping this does t happen for a good while, if at all
Here is a thought. Consider people in the traveller community and there is also a much larger community and ever growing of people choosing to live a "van life". Police are going to end up costing people money if they are parked up and they insist that the person has to move along. I see many videos of were public land is completely accessible without parking restrictions but police just don't want them their and when it comes to private property it's obviously a civil matter . This is all going to get very messy for many people.
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Whatever is implemented, we already know it will cost more except for a tiny minority. It also will disproportionately affect rural dwellers over their city counterparts, especially those living in the London transport region, who like me, who have easy alternatives, so more 'unleveling' then. Yet still they do nothing about the huge increase in unlicensed and uninsured drivers (I wonder where they all came from?).
Great coimment Chris, let's hope the tax issue is nothign but paper talk or possibly something leaked by the Government so that we feel happy when they just stick 10p on fuel duty.
its very simple scrap road tax put duty on petrol ? like there isn't enough already , and more miles you do more petrol you use , more tax you pay ,,,,,,,,will starmer pay for the private jet the two faced Fokker
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Even if someone drives less it will be hit as well. Someone else brings their food, someone else delivers their products.
I think no one dreams about bringing a washine machine by train.
- I was not let on the bus with paint - so good luck supporting anti car policies.
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The scary bit is that once it has been introduced even if its starts at 2ppm its only going to go one way just like the standing charges on Gas/Electric. Every successive Government will see it as an easy cash cow and just push it up and up and up.
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We already pay per mile on fuel by paying for VAT and fuel duty, there is a very weak argument for taxing lower paid workers living rurally.
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There are working systems across Europe. Local roads are “free” to use; high speed roads, motorways, you buy vignette. But UK is all about tax. Similar is with low emissions zones, charging daily. In France, you pay one time and it’s valid as long as car exist.
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Pay per mile systems don't make any sense if govts want people to buy low emission economical cars. Fuel duty is cheap to administer and very effective in raising tax while encouraging less use and economical cars. The flat rate ved clearly shows that lowering co2 isn't a priority.
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I'm a care worker, I do around 20k business miles, I get 30p a mile, which pays my petrol and tax and insurance mot. Etc.
You should be given a government chauffeur rather than a tax bill
If the roads were in a good state I wouldn’t mind it but it’s ridiculous we pay enough tax in this country!
I drive for work so I will be paying £900 extra per year!!
Beyond a joke the Uk now!!
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Apparently raising the duty on fuel by 5p per litre would raise £2 billion a year, surely a way easier method of raising revenue from the motorist than messing around with pay per mile ??
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will that also apply to pushbikes and electric pushbikes and will they get rid of road tax
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The Previous Figure WAS 6p Per Mile, Which was High Enough Who and Where DID The Figure Of 15p PER MILE COME FROM: THE THIEVING LABOUR PARTY, THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO RUN A COUNTRY, : CHANCERS THE WHOLE LOT OF THE DONATION THIEVES ???.
Just from some newspapers from what I can make out so it's likely BS, I sincerely hope it doesn't happen at any price.
Great share
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