So true. That’s the way my dad would speak. I realized at a young age a lot of JWs including my parents are gravely uneducated and just inept. Period. I could take nothing seriously in that cult.
When you realize his claim is that a sphere cannot be a circle, you realize this entire video must be comedy or a true piece of comedic gold. Talk about "explaining it away"
Von Braun's modest grave marker refers to one of his favorite biblical passages: "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmaments showeth His handiwork."
Von Braun, the nazi war criminal responsible for many, many deaths with his V-2 rocket teamed up with 33* Freemason, Walt Disney, to condition us to the lie of space travel. Do you think he was saved later in life?
Y'all really don't get it.... Von Braun the man that made NASA go to the Moon it's telling you it was BS. Even the book that von Braun wrote a book stating that is would be impossible even the amount of fuel that it would take a ship could not hold it. And then after that he was paid to come up with blueprints I'm going to the Moon. So in his dying breath to the world he told the truth. God's word is true
I was a Mormon for over 20yrs and during the 2020 lockdown I did my history of religion research and read the Bible and other lost books and learning about the flat earth was an amazing revelation.
"I was a Mormon for over 20yrs"----- I hope your intention is not to exchange the Mormon delusion for an atheistic delusion. A better alternative is a well-reasoned faith.
@@andrewferg8737 Reasoning requires acceptance of evidence and not believing things that disagree with the evidence. It requires that you change your beliefs and conclude that whatever you believed was wrong if you find out that the evidence doesn't support it or shows that the belief is wrong. And that you do that no matter how well-reasoned and supported by evidence your belief seemed at the time. Faith doesn't require that at all. It requires that you believe things despite the evidence. It requires that you believe something even when the evidence is in contradiction to the evidence. I asked a friend of mine whether if he came to learn of some incontrovertible, undeniable, no-wriggle-room, absolute proof that there was no God of any kind at all, he would still believe in God. He said Yes, he would. I was gobsmacked. "But how could you possibly continue to believe something if you know it's not true?". You guessed it - faith. What about you Andrew - if you had absolute proof such that you knew for certain that there was no God - as surely as you know that 1 + 1 does not equal 7, and must equal 2 (in base 3 and higher) - would you still believe in a God? And if you would - how would that faith be "well-reasoned"?
I'm someone who left Islam, lives in Pakistan, Karachi and occasionally critical of it, and I can say quran is no different just Arabic and different phrasing of same bs
@@exiledkenkaneki701 stay strong my friend, I tryed even to convince my mother to leave the cult, but she get mad saying that is just a period of confusing and thats it. i also searched others ex muslims but there aren't a lot on youtube, but im happy that we (as exmuslim) exist
Correct. There are two words in hebrew for a circle, and one of them does, in fact mean a spherical ball. Here's the two words according to the strongs' concordance. H1754 Dure: a circle or ball. Isaiah 22:18 He will surely turn and toss thee like a ball [H1754 Dure:] H2329 khoog: a circle, circuit, compass Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle[H2329] of the earth" Isaiah 40:22 uses form H2329 khoog, which means a circle, circuit, compass. The word dure H1754 was NOT used, and it does, in fact mean a spherical ball as seen in Isiah 22:18. In order to properly translate the old Testament to any language, one has to go back to the Hebrew words. It doesn't matter what translation came after. It doesn't matter what it said in German. It doesn't matter what Tyndale or Martin Luther said. It matters what the Hebrew said, especially in regards to the old Testament, because that's how it was delivered to man. The absolute fact is that there did exist a Hebrew word to describe a spherical ball shape of the earth when the Bible was recorded, and that was not the word used. We don't bend the Bible to fit our understanding. We must bend our understanding to fit the Bible. Let God be true, and every man, a liar. For wisdom in the eyes of men is foolishness to God. We should not be ashamed to look a fool to men who hold no power over our soul. We should, however, be terrified to look like a fool to God. 1 Corinthians 3:18-19 "Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God." Luke 9:26 "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels."
@@moogle_k have you looked into the theory that Jesus already returned and were in rev 2o $@tans l1tt1e $e@$0n? Sorry youtube had been shadow banning that sentence
@@maxamahnken7325isaiah 22:18 18 He will roll you up tightly like a ball and throw you into a large country. There you will die and there the chariots you were so proud of will become a disgrace to your master’s house. Isaiah 40:22 22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. Both verses are from Isaiah. 22:18 uses the word for ball. Isaiah 40:22 uses the word for circle. They are not the same.
Keep up the great work! I worked with a guy who had a strict JW mum and dad. He was 20, not religious but still treated like a child and had to keep the act up, put the poor guy through hell. Eventually he came out as an atheist and got kicked out of home... Last time I spoke to him he was back in contact with his parents but said he couldn't go to their house in case anyone saw him there. Your videos are great for people in his situation.
Sorry, I'm a week behind here. Perhaps you know of these things already but just in case you don't: Please tell your friend to visit the channel 'genetically modified skeptic. He always has, in the content description area, lists of ways that new atheists can get help when they've been cut off from their religious support(families, churches, friends etc). Also, atheists.org or the you tube channel 'the atheist experience'. I hope the best for your friend.
@@ogg5949 to be honest haven't seen him in years, bumped into him about 8 years after I left the workplace. Back when we worked together had some pretty long and deep conversations about his situation, I'm always interested in learning about why people hold beliefs so I suppose I was a good listener and didn't judge. This was early 2000s. Later on when I bumped into him in a bar, got chatting, he gave me a brief update on his situation and we got pissed had a laugh and a catch up and went separate ways. Those links are great resources but I'll likely not bump into him again to recommend them! Seemed like he was in much better place and doing well, hope he still is too. Genuinely decent bloke.
The JWs don't understand the Bible in my experience, however neither does this gentleman. It's interesting that what he says is generally correct, and yet his interpretation of it is so entirely wrong that it is mind boggling someone could be so dense. At the end he asks... "did the ancient writers believe in this theory of the cosmos?" ... the answer of course is that it doesn't matter. If I say "God's power makes the earth go round the Sun" or "God's power makes the sun go round the earth" Does this make a difference in regards to the point I'm making or what I'm saying? No, it doesn't.
@@rogerz3624 seems like you're the dense one he explained everything very elegantly and makes complete sense. Go ahead if you want to keep believing in the Jew God.
While I was a Christian, it really bothered me that the “Scientific Miracles” in the Quran were of the same caliber as the Scientific Miracles of the Bible.
@@millennialsreign Lol. Just because they are similar does not mean you can say that the Quran was written for the sole purpose of misleading Christians. They are probably similar because stories in the bible and others like them were popular oral tradition at the time and influenced the way the Bible and the Quran were written. It is for this same reason that sacred texts older than the Bible (i.e. Enuma Elish) sound so similar to stories in Genesis. That is because the writers of Genesis were influenced by similar oral tradition and their proximity to the Sumerians influenced the texts they themselves wrote.
@@david.brackett nah the Quran and Islam believe the Bible was inspired by god, but that overtime the true meaning of the Bible got lost in translation, they believe christ was a prophet but not the messiah I think. And that Muhammad was inspired by god to fix the mistakes, so when the Quran has similar stories to the Bible it’s probably bc they copied them from the bible
Hello. Yes, Yahshua Hamashiach! I have been a follower of the Torah teachings and Biblical holy days-keeping-denominations, but still believed the whole solar system nonsense I was taught as a child, and believed for decades, that Earth was a spinning ball and revolved around the sun. But a few years ago I became aware of the moon landing hoax, and that we never went to the moon. That opened my mind just enough to consider the "flat earthers", but I still thought they were buying into a psyop. But in the last year or so, watching a lot of very good videos by Eric Dubay, I have finally realized that the globe earth was the psyop, and the earth is a level plane, and the sun and moon travel in their paths over the earth, and are not as far away as "scientists" claim. What group do you fellowship with, if I may ask?
@@geezermann7865 Shalom under the Dome, Brother. I have no fellowship other than my father and my wife. But I have found some good channels that teach Torah and Biblical Cosmology. Assembly of Yahweh in Northern Alabama (AYIN). Kingdom in Context. Founded Earth Brothers. Parable of the Vinyard. Hanging on His Words. Ministers of the New Covenant.
@@CalebTheHumbled Thank you for the reply. Earlier in my life I got a lot of good teachings from the Assemblies Of Yahweh, Bethel PA. On UA-cam I have found 2 or 3 channels available - one is Yahweh's Restoration Ministry in Missouri. They have live Sabbath streams. These are not necessarily "FE based". The Biblical cosmology aspect, level earth, is not yet accepted everywhere though, and that is understandable. Public school education is hard to break. Shalom brother! May Yahweh bless.
@@CalebTheHumbled A fine list of channels CalebTheHumbled. I want to make a comment I arrived at from watching parable of the Vineyard years ago when he had the backslider on often before he fell back in the world. I can't recall his name. Anyway the teaching included Matthew chapter 16 and it was the light that inspired me to seek and find this provable truth. The maker of this here videos science is worldly wisdom and if he would engage in what the apostle Paul commands. "prove all things" he would easily see why the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. Space is fake and you can prove it in a myriad of ways! Repeatable observations is real science. Since the total solar eclipse is the sign of Jonah. Jesus said that sign would be the only one given from heaven in matthew chapter 16. If I'm wrong, that sign will align with mans science. Repeatable observation of the Oct. 2023 annular eclipse and April 2024 total solar eclipse had something very special in common. THE SUN HAD SPOTS. When you compare video of the eclipses from multiple locations matching up the times you will see the spots rotated with the dark bite on the face of the sun. I wrote it that way because it wasn't the moon. Those repeatable observations proves there is no parallax between the two objects. If you want to imagine the darkened area on the face of the sun was due to what science claims is the moon. You must also believe there is a 400 times distance between the moon and sun and therefore we shouldn't have seen the spots rotate in sync with the moon but they did! Therefore the lack of parallax means the model of the moon being 400 times closer to us is a lie! Rendering mans scientific wisdom, ignorance like the bible says!
@@alparkes6084 I did see your commentary and it fits right into what Harrison said, just a lot of words to make the Bible say what you want it to say because you need it to be correct. If those verses were not meant to be taken literally but poetically then why do Christians (especially JWs and creationists) use them as a basis for the scientific accuracy of the bible? Who decides which verse is literal and which is symbolic? And just as the verses in Isaiah and Job are poetic as you say, why then is the verse about "God stretching out the sky" not poetic since you say it describes the expansion of the universe? You take that one as literal. And I'm pretty sure there are verses where the Bible says God "strecthes out the heavens like a fine gauze and spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell." (It's the same verse in Isaiah 40:22. The same verse you said is poetic bout the "circle" part. So the first part is poetic but the last part about the strecthing out of the heavens is literal? I don't get it.) The ancients did not see this strecthing of the sky as a constant expansion as science now says because a gauze or a tent is not continually strecthed. A tent is strecthed from one pin to another and then anchored in place by that pin just like the firmament was described to be. The firmament was strecthed like a tent. Meaning they saw the sky like a roof of a tent firmly anchored from one end of the earth to the other. So, I still see much more validity in what Harrison says. This whole literal/poetic debate is just a crutch because religious people need the Bible to be true so you guys find ways to eisegetically put your ideas into the Bible to make it true. And why didn't God say this part is literal and this part is poetic? Why leave it so vague and open to interpretation? These were questions that made me research and made me look objectively on the Bible. Why not just let the Bible be what it is instead of what we want it to be? Just take it at it's word. I don't see Harrison as misleading. That was when he was a JW. Misleading is religions job not his. I've heard more truth from apostates and atheists than I ever did from a religious person because atheists don't have an agenda to bolster, they just tell you like it is. Religion has an agenda and from experience they say and do anything to fit that agenda hence why eisegesis is a thing.
@@kammy6340 Thanks for your comments Kammy. To determine whether a verse should be taken literally, symbolically, or allegorically, it is the context surrounding the verse that is determinative. But you’re right, there are still grey areas that exist even when the context is studied carefully. The “six days” of creation is a perfect example. Some Christians believe these words should be taken literally, some believe they are meant to imply ages. Both Christians and atheists are guilty of making errors in this area. The good news is that, in all cases where literalness comes into question, the doctrines are of only minor importance in the larger scheme of things. But to pick out these verses to show flaws in the writings is questionable. There must be allowances made for the differences in the original language and word meanings, the culture and sophistication of the people between the writings 3,000 years ago and the present. When these documents were written they were written for the people of that day- the Jews in Palestine in 1000BC, and only secondarily to us in the 21st century. However an uneducated person today can read about the story of Jesus Christ and understand quite clearly what the gospel message is. If you read my reply carefully, I said I COULD use Mr. Harrison’s same logic and prove the opposite of what he was claiming. But I don’t. I do not use statements in the Bible about the physical laws and world to argue the case for Christ or the Bible message to anyone. It would be liking swiping at a gnat while stumbling off a cliff. Many atheists use these “gotcha” arguments to “prove” the Bible contains errors. They don’t need to. If they’ve read the Bible, especially the New Testament which primarily applies to us in this day, and they don’t like what they read, or believe it is erroneous, they can simply reject it and go on with their lives. I can understand why Christians try to push their faith, they believe there are dangerous consequences for those who have not heard the gospel. But to the atheists, if there is no difference in the end result, why try to convince Christians they are wrong? It doesn’t matter what people believe in the end, does it? On a final not, I hope you understand that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are not considered to be a Christian organization. They do not adhere to the major doctrines of Christian theology and they would object if you called them Christians. Many practices they are involved are considered to be heretical.
"Well you see, this verse is meant to be taken literally but this other one is poetic" "How do you know the second one isn't meant to be taken literally?" "Because it's absolute nonsense"
I read that with a Pythonesque voice. ‘What was that? Blessed are the cheesemakers? What’s so special about the cheese makers?’ “Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.”
Whenever someone tries to argue creationism my first thought is always "which one?" until the mid 20th century Japanese school children were taught creationism and scriptural literalism in harmony with science; that science agreed with the Nihon Shoki, and it was literally and scientifically true that the land was created by Izanagi and Izanami stirring the chaos with a sacred spear. Shinto literalists used the exact same arguments and pseudoscience as Christian literalists do today.
"Whenever someone tries to argue creationism my first thought is always "which one?"" Oh, so your first thought is not if creation happened naturally or supernaturally, you being so stooo-pid decided you're smart somehow by throwing that all out because you want to know which one. "Shinto literalists used the exact same arguments and pseudoscience as Christian literalists do today." How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. ua-cam.com/video/JiMqzN_YSXU/v-deo.html The odds are NOT there. ua-cam.com/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/yW9gawzZLsk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/ddaqSutt5aw/v-deo.html
So then where did all this come from? Is the universe infinite? Like is it never ending? If not what is beyond it? Are you saying matter is eternal? You never gave an alternate view in your comment as to where things came from and how nature designed consciousness for example. Or life in general as scientifically nature does not build things from simple to extremely complex in a step wise fashion that takes millions of years. It just doesn't work that way.
@@MrLaughingcorpse So while I wasn't the one who originally made the comment, I can see that their point wasn't to give an alternate explanation to why things exist as the way they are, but just that there's more than just one creation story out there. They just wanted to point out that there is an extra layer to ask ourselves why we believe what we believe. And for the sake of conversation of alternate explanations, you may benefit from familiarizing yourself with a concept known as the anthropic principle (at the very least, know it well enough so you can know how to argue against it). To begin, I'd say that the average honest atheist would agree that the chances for life to form from nothing at any time is _incredibly_ small, and the eventual development to having an organism with consciousness would be magnitudes even smaller than that. However, even if the formation of life out of nothing would have the same chances as rolling five one million side dice all landing on a 1, and the formation of consciousness would have the same chances of rolling a 1 ten more times with those same million sided dice, consciousness would still inevitably exist somewhere via survivorship bias on a cosmic scale. With the seemingly limitless scope of the universe (or even multiple universes), we have countless stars each with planets of their own that may each be rolling these dice. One in a million of habitable planets would only be able to get one die roll right, and even less would succeed in abiogenesis. From there, millions upon millions of planets that succeed in gaining abiogenesis would not get to the point of having an organism with consciousness. But a tiny tiny number out of all the countless expanse of stars would inevitably succeed in a conscious being that would ask the question of how their consciousness existed in the first place. Now this is where I'll reveal that I consider myself a strange mix of apatheism (as far as not caring about the argument for or against the existence of a monotheistic being) and "Christian modernist," who doesn't depend on a literal interpretation of the bible in order to find truth in them (i.e. a parallel would be not having to believe that an actual tortoise and hare literally had a race in order to believe in the concept of "slow and steady wins the race"). I don't know what your main belief system is, but something that I'm aware of in every world religion is the concept of knowing how to humble ourselves to truths that we may not like. Using the Abrahamic model, it's usually a good reminder to differentiate between what we personally want truth and God's plan to be versus truths that we can't avoid and what "fear of God" means (and to the atheists passing by, the Rosetta Stone of my apatheistic worldview sees the Abrahamic God as a representation of truth itself). Otherwise, being attached to what we _want_ to be true can be associated with our pride rather than the humility we'd get from fearing God. And personally, it took awhile for me to realize that truly fearing and beholding God meant the opposite of trying to feel important. Things like the Book of Job and Ecclesiastes should remind us that we are a tiny speck compared to God, which happens to coincide very well with the vastness of the cold, scientific universe.
1. a roughly circular line, route, or movement that starts and finishes at the same place. "I ran a circuit of the village" Similar: lap turn tour round circle orbit revolution loop beat 2. an established itinerary of events or venues used for a particular activity, typically involving public performance. "the alternative cabaret circuit" verb move all the way around (a place or thing). "the trains will follow the Northern line, circuiting the capital" Anti-Christs have one hell of a time attempting to explain away how a sphere cannot be a circle and you guys gobble it up like the jokes you are. You honestly cannot even in the slightest, believe this comedic piece of a video.
@lukesutton4135 You believe atmosphere does not reach equilibrium in terms of atmospheric pressure even though we are supposedly an “open system” next to an infinite vacuum. Lol the only true fool who is gobbling lies is you. Next time you look at polaris, just remember that you think it doesn’t move because it is in the perfect position, infinite miles away, so no matter where earth is moving at incredible speeds behind the Sun (which has no comet trail that you can’t explain), Polaris never moves. Globe earthers aren’t smart enough to know how to be saved, and I doubt you could give me the Gospel of your Salvation, so I will say to you, enjoy Hell, fool :c)
@@thomasjohnson9623 naut is a root word meaning travel, in which using the the context clues of the word itself, means to travel or to adventure/ move to a place via method of transportation. these quotatins taken from google search in Oxford Languages, "of or concerning sailors or navigation; maritime" what would you call aeronautics? Is a captain still a captain whether they pilot the air or sea? Another thing to ponder is the viscosity of our atmosphere within each of its levels, whether gas or liquid, there is still a similar resistance that you would get with water so are we all just swimming maybe? perhas an astronaut is still a nautical explorer in that way, but that would mean that anyone else who hasnt traveled by ocean, sea, sky, or atmosphere, would be called a terra-naut? there are many things to consider here with your logic which, I admit, I have thought previously.
Saw something some time ago by Rob Skiba, another prolific christian flat earther. Turns out the best model for the tabernacle wasnt a square but a dome shaped tent. Kind of a acknowledgement to his creation having his house shaped like his big house.
"the fact that this video would probably be enough to wake my brother up, but he’d never watch it"------ I do hope your brother is not involved in such a cult. Yet, atheism would not be an awakening, but rather another delusion.
@@allysonbeaulieu7351 "thanks for assuming" ---- I made no assumption about you. Rather I offered sympathy toward your brother and an objective assessment regarding the content of the video. Peace be with you. My original comment was: "I do hope your brother is not involved in such a cult. Yet, atheism would not be an awakening, but rather another delusion."
@@andrewferg8737and why exactly is atheism a delusion in your opinion? (I'm using the definition of atheism as follows, somebody who is not convinced of a proposition because there isn't sufficient evidence.)
25:05 I’ve lived that coin counting experience back when I was a cashier: some jerk asked to pay for his cigarettes in coins and brought out pre wrapped quarter rolls. He acted offended when I unwrapped them, accusing me of mistrust, but he packed each roll with about 40-50% washers amongst the quarters so what the hell else was I supposed to do 🙄 He had the audacity to act insulted when I unwrapped the rest, only to find the same con in the others. I really don’t get how someone can be a total pos trying to con you, but then feels they even have the right to be offended when caught or called out on being a conning pos, WITAF? At least own the L 🤷🏻♀️ But as far as the topic, yes, I love triggering christians by telling them that if they truly believe their BUY-BULL is all true 100%, then they are de facto flat earthers. What’s sad is that the majority of them are so ignorant of what’s in their own book, they can’t even bring up the few counter passages because they don’t even know they’re there 🤦🏻♀️ Even when it comes to knowing their own book, they’re still sheep who need to be led. It’s kinda sick that christians find being referred to as livestock as a term of endearment when it’s from their book. I’m so glad I’m off the plantation.
Them trying to make you feel guilty is half the con. Honestly it's like being raised told that the legal system is about justice.-- you go to law school and find it Law is not about justice or rights or wrong. Law is about governing masses of people. It doesn't make our judicial system any worse in fact most say it's the best we've come up wuth so far. But your grandma teaching you laws and cops and judges ARE about right or wrong did you a disservice. -- remember that when teaching your own kids.
I mean … if watchtower had arguments as solid as this it would be a whole different ball game wouldn’t it? This man just demolished the JW approach to scriptures in 30 minutes… I’d sit through a whole convention of your stuff man keep it up.
@@TheTruthHurts Speaking for myself, if you and, for instance, LIoyd Evans and a few others were able to get together and arrange a program, it would without question be the most informative assembly I've ever attended. That's one reason I'm glad we have UA-cam: We can hear and benefit from all the effort you and others put forth, along with, even more importantly, our own research. It is very much like attending the ideal assembly, albeit at our own pace. What's more, it's definitely more accurate than anything we ever heard at the Society's assemblies!
As a black atheist woman living in a mostly Christian talibangelist country (Jamaica). I recently had an interesting conversation with another black Christian about slavery in the bible....exodus 21 to be exact....I'd asked her base on the fact that the bible supports slavery and our history of enslavement if she thought slavery was wrong and immoral.. she never answered. I got this blind steer 😳...I'm still waiting for an answer from her...it was a yes or no question of course and nothing. Sad🙁
Sounds like you might have gotten some wheels in her head turning. That’s good. Let her struggle with reconciling that for a bit. Encourage her to read the Bible. That’ll put her off of God lol
Lisa Davis, for a long while I thought that I was the only Jamaican Atheist, you are The first that I have encountered online Or in real physicality, Like most of us I was born and indoctrinated Into Christianity from Childhood, it is very true, during the time of Slavery, Christian Slave owners pointed to many verses from the Bible to Justify Slavery, Not only does God Condoned Slavery in the Bible, he encouraged it, In Luke 12:47, Jesus says servants ( Slaves) should be Beaten with many stripes, since morphing From faith to reason, I have discovered that Jesus was a Literary invention by the early Christian writers. And not a real historical person.
The man named Jesus almost certainly existed as a historical person. I think there are many verses in the bible that ahve lead to abolishing the form of slavery you faced. People used those scriptures to justify, but the bible also says to “Treat your slaves well” in Ephesians 6:9 Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don’t threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and he has no favourites.” What am I saying? Do I “support slavery?” What I’m saying was that the form of “slavery” that was permitted was not what was done in practice and isnone of the reasons why it was abolished. If you take all the verses in the old and new testament within context, what the verses your referring to talk about is when someone is poor and you want to welcome them into your household to work for you and live with you. You habe to treat them fairly, the same way you would like to be treated. They become like a member of your household. But when you think ofnslavery, you think of the kind that is cruel and clearlt goes against many things that the bible says. If you want to continue this talk in abetter platform such as email or something I can find you more scripture refrences and we xan talk about them. Don’t get into the fallacy of because the person did not have an answer for you in thag moment that means you are always right. Always be open to allow someone to bring new information to you. Bless you
His video was a joke. This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies. ---"What did the early church really teach? Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth. The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece: “There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6 Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more." ---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination." ---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). "Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China." "Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes: “Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.” Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
Thus, having come to understand the unreasonableness of one delusion, one would hope that he moves forward toward a well-reasoned faith that does not stagnate in an apparent atheistic delusion.
No, he's a lying loser. This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies. ---"What did the early church really teach? Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth. The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece: “There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6 Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more." ---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination." ---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). "Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China." "Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes: “Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.” Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
@@2fast2block *My point is obvious. This video is part of a LONG PSYOP. And those whose job is to AFFIRM the 3rd phase of the PSYOP came here right on cue.*
Something you may or may not know. The northern lights are the emerald light coming from around his thrown that Isiah speaks about. The green light comes from beneath his thrown shinning on the firmament. It's the northern lights showing his glory. His thrown sits right above the north star. It marks his location for us to see. So, they want to try and hide HIM with the ball earth. Saying he is way out in space somewhere, but he's sitting right above watching us like grasshoppers, just like the BOOK says...
Or.... Just maybe they are the result of mass plasma ejections from our Sun. Interacting with Earths magnetic field... One reason is based in reality.. the other comes from a box of Fruit Loops.. and the ' north star'. Polaris... Is 323 Light years away( that's pretty far). That's 186,000 miles for every second in 323 years. That's a lot of seconds .
There's northern and southern lights because of the suns energy interacting with earth's magnetic field, the field lines direct the particles toward the poles and the colors are different because of different atmospheric gases or layers that are effected Yes the earth is a sphere not a pizza, deal with it
@@TheTruthHurts I forgot to mention I loved the skits....I just smiled the whole thing way through. And..I loved your second presentation to the householder. It really made your point hit home. Loud and clear.
@@TheTruthHurts Hi Harrison, I am an atheist and have been corresponding for about 4 months with the JWs, after having received a letter through the post. After asking questions about why they believed the bible was true, I was pointed to biblical prophecy, and the videos on the jw.org website. Responding takes many weeks of effort as I have to research lots of sources, and as you have done look at the actual translations from the Hebrew. Your presentation is very clear and well presented, and must take a lot of time researching and editing. I’ll put a link to this video in my next correspondence with them and hopefully it will be watched.
Rachel exjw what exactly did you learn about the firmament? The gentleman is teaching something that the bible does not even make the minutest attempt to teach. In these modern days, all one has to do is take an AIRPLANE trip from San Francisco to Delaware! and if you still think the world is flat, dig your eyes out!!! Because you don't need them to be refuting what you believe.
Round Earth idea was discovered in ancient Egypt. Cosmos, epic astronomy TV -series/book 1980 by atheist Carl Sagan described how scientist Eratosthenes discovered the idea from shadows at midsummer. An early travel book (scroll) in the Library of Alexandria taught him vertical poles have no shadows at midsummer in South Egypt, where it's within the tropics. But in Alexandria, in north Egypt, he could see they have shadows. Deduced round Earth to explain that. So the idea was known in OT times: but did not stop parts of the OT saying the Earth is rooted in pillars, + the Gospels that Satan showed Jesus all the world"s kingdoms from one high mountain.
Alexzander the Great had his whole arm line up on the coast line between Turkey and Egypt and play " telephone " as they relay a scroll up the coast line race a mail horse, even the Romans did that. They had enough people line up to see the curve of the Earth, other than the soldiers being of different heights their spears & shields were of the same regulation length & size. Instead of using a plastic cup & kite string to make a house telephone, the Romans had a copper sheet cup and wire play testing the " phone." Israel coast line had a lot of science moving up and down the area. Don't forget it was the " Romans " who put out the legal Catholic bible after nearly fifth teen years of rewriting and debating it.
This is a great topic to bring up. There are many, including atheists, who say that the bible actually teaches the earth is round. People really need to understand the fallacy of this belief.
The text actually isn't even about The Planet Earth though, and the Smart Atheists who Know the Truth that The Bible says The Earth is Flat tend to ignore that it also says The Ocean is separate from the Planet earth... in Reality, the Models used by Atheists such as Yourself that show "Biblical Cosmology" say The ocean forms a Ring around the land on Earth. But the Texts are clear, the Ocean is not part of "The Earth". By the way, The Word in Hebrew is Erets. It means Land. Not Planet.
@@craigcrawford6595 Galileo was imprisoned for the accusation "The earth revolves around the sun" by the Catholic church for blasphemy. As his findings and publication contradicted the scripture. They made him renounce his book or they would behead him. So they took their false scripture very seriously. Galileo explained to the church that his publication was simply for entertainment purposes and publicly stated this to avoid persecution. 1992: Catholic Church apologizes to Galileo, who died in 1642 In 1610, Century Italian astronomer/mathematician/inventor Galileo Galilei used a a telescope he built to observe the solar system, and deduced that the planets orbit the sun, not the earth. This contradicted Church teachings, and some of the clergy accused Galileo of heresy. please explain how your comment holds truth?
@@Dana5775 wow, talk about using diversion on what this loser claimed about how much the flat earth was believed. This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies. ---"What did the early church really teach? Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth. The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece: “There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6 Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more." ---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination." ---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). "Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China." "Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes: “Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.” Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
Idk what I just watched. And after reading the comments section I’m almost questioning myself if I entered some sort of portal. What exactly is this about? Is it a satire? Expose? Debunking science? Religion? Pitting science vs religion? Bible vs religion? Science vs science? Am I the only one who’s confused?
Day 2 - Gen 1:6-8 o Firmament H07549 (raqiya`) = extended surface (solid), expanse, firmament expanse (flat as base, support) firmament (of vault of heaven supporting waters above) considered by Hebrews as solid and supporting 'waters' above o Psalm 148:4 **After the flood** Not a canopy that went away after the flood o God spent a whole day creating the Firmament and vertically separating waters o Ezekiel 1:22-26 A likeness of the firmament is used to describe a crystal like (hard) dome Below the firmament - Wings Above the firmament - Voice, throne, appearance of a man o Daniel 12:3 Firmament shines bright o Job 37:18 “Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass” o Size = Job 38:18 o Psalms 104:2 stretchest out the heavens like a curtain o Job 38:8 Shut doors to stop the water falling (flood) o Isaiah 40:22 stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in
You're only confused because he's attempting to be confusing, acting as if he were just a confused believer who's now found enlightenment, when in reality his own views of God are confused and restricted by his own limited imagination.
@@hangedman821 Your problem there is that you don't know what 'down' means. What magic makes water fall to the ground in the first place? Does it like the ground and want to be friends with it? Some try to say 'relative density' which is amusing because if that were the reason water would fall up to where the density is lower still. Once you understand that it's moving towards a large mass because of gravity then there is no objection to water on a sphere. Its understanding that first part which leaves FEs helpless and lost.
@@hangedman821 The ancient Greeks proved the Earth is a sphere. All it takes is a stick, the ability to travel north or south, and high school level math. The difference in the sun's position based on distance from the equator is a result of the earth's curvature. From a tall building or ship you can physically see that curvature. If you shoot a bullet a far enough distance you have to compensate for the curvature. Snipers require a globe earth to be true in order to be accurate beyond half a mile.
YES this is the exact topic I was waiting for a video on. This is one of the main points I would bring up to a JW when the topic of the, scientific accuracy of the bible, came up. Still hilarious to me how one of the basis for their beliefs is just mistranslated and misinterpreted. And once again, an amazing video. Nice flow and structure. You can definitely tell when someone like you does their research and puts lots of effort into their videos. Thank you
"it's Photoshop but it has to be" ~ NASA on every image of the globe earth 👉🌍. NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive". Water always finds it's ways flat and level, you have never seen it bend to match what is underneath it with your own two natural eyes or stick to balls, but all you need to do is run a bathtub to see how enclosed flat earth cosmology works and is true. Wake up!!
@@mangakatanaka3067 Nasa is an acronym (National Aeronautics and space Administration.). Judging by your ignorant statement your very uneducated. Water seeks level as do all fluids because of earths gravity. Your perspective regarding water bending around a ball in the bathtub is incredibly silly as the balls mass is not capable of over coming the vast gravity of the earth so instead of clinging to the gravity of the balls mass it is over powered by the massive pull from the center of the earth ( billions of times more mass then your ball ). However if that ball were in a zero gravity field such as in space the water may in-fact cling to the ball provided no other forces are stronger then the balls mass (centrifugal force from the space craft spinning itself would be the predominant force even in the low gravity field) If the ball is hollow it may have far less mass then the water your using to marry with the ball . keep in mind that earths gravity extends far into space and has an effect on other planetary bodies, so even in space there is a multitude of gravitational forces at play with any energy or mass within its range. fluids are capable of taking on any shape outside of gravitational force BECAUSE IT IS FLUID IT NEED NOT "BEND" BUT ARANGE ITS MOLECULAR STRUCTURE IN INFINITE WAYS WITH ITS INDIVIDUAL PARTICULATES. I can only hope this is a joke or a game. It is hard to imagine how anyone in post modern society could be so ignorant to the obvious nature of elements and the forces they embody innately. These are long established facts and are self evident
The maker of this here videos science is worldly wisdom and if he would engage in what the apostle Paul commands. "prove all things" he would easily see why the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. Space is fake and you can prove it in a myriad of ways! Repeatable observations is real science. Since the total solar eclipse is the sign of Jonah. Jesus said that sign would be the only one given from heaven in matthew chapter 16. If I'm wrong, that sign will align with mans science. Repeatable observation of the Oct. 2023 annular eclipse and April 2024 total solar eclipse had something very special in common. THE SUN HAD SPOTS. When you compare video of the eclipses from multiple locations matching up the times, you will see the spots rotated with the dark bite on the face of the sun. I wrote it that way because it wasn't the moon. Those repeatable observations proves there is no parallax between the two objects. If you want to imagine the darkened area on the face of the sun was due to what science claims is the moon. You must also believe there is a 400 times distance between the moon and sun and therefore we shouldn't have seen the spots rotate in sync with the moon but they did! Therefore the lack of parallax means the model of the moon being 400 times closer to us is a lie! Rendering mans scientific wisdom, ignorance like the bible says!
I absolutely love your new format. Totally different from other exJW UA-camrs. Refreshing! I also love how you treated this subject, also one of those that woke me up.
He treated this subject with lies. This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies. ---"What did the early church really teach? Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth. The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece: “There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6 Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more." ---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination." ---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). "Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China." "Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes: “Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.” Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
"it's Photoshop but it has to be" ~ NASA on every image of the globe earth 👉🌍. NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive". Water always finds it's ways flat and level, you have never seen it bend to match what is underneath it with your own two natural eyes or stick to balls, but all you need to do is run a bathtub to see how enclosed flat earth cosmology works and is true. Wake up!
*Gallileo* disproved the bible author's viewpoint of *Geocentricity* in 1633, yet present day bible believers "read right over" Joshua 10:12-13, where Joshua commanded BOTH the Sun ITSELF, _and_ the Moon to stand still, NOT the Earth -- this proves that the bible authors themselves believed that the Sun was in motion over the Earth, and that it could be magically stopped, dead in the sky, simply by one man's prayer to Yahweh ! WOW ! How supernaturally inspired !
@Stirgid Lanathiel The bible author's viewpoint was identical to the Sumero Babylonian cosmology, that of a Sun that traveled in motion over the Earth, and was controlled by Yahweh/Jesus in real time -- Job 9:7 describes Yahweh's power: "Which commands the Sun, and it rises not" This appears as "metaphorical" to 21st Century readers, yet was describing the literal creation, as they, and other ancient Near Eastern nations falsely believed. -- Isaiah 38:7-8 describes a prophetic sign regarding King Hezekiah's recovery from near death, by reversing the Sun's ( not it's shadow ) movement backward by 10° 7) " And this shall be a sign unto you from the LORD..." 8) " Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sundial of Ahaz, ten degrees _backward_ . So, the Sun [ ITSELF, not it's shadow ] returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down " This passage reveals that the bible authors believed that the Sun was an independent heavenly body, that was in real motion over the Earth, and which could be magically reversed by Yahweh/Jesus. Amos 8:9 is a prophecy of judgement against Israel that indicates that the Sun's movement could be magically accelerated "to go down at noon": " And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that I will cause the Sun [ ITSELF ] to go down at noon, and I will darken the Earth in the clear day " Had the bible authors been supernaturally inspired by an all powerful and all knowing deity, they wouldn't have written a false cosmology as parts of supposed prophecies. To your point, Erathothenes, in 285 BCE, used the measurements of the shadows of obelisks, done at the same time, in different locations, and used a series of runners to gather the information ; subsequently, he used simple Geometry to calculate the Earth's circumference to within 200 miles. Yet Greek scientists and philosophers never interacted with the commoners, let alone other nations, and since there was no mass communication or universal education, this concept never reached many people. Most of the books of the Old Testament were written after the Babylonian exile, and never had the benefit of the science of the Greeks. All the poor bible writers had was " Divine Inspiration " L O L !
@@danielanderson6933 Had the bible authors been supernaturally inspired by an all powerful and all knowing deity, they would have described the universe truthfully The Sun doesn't travel in motion over the Earth in the same way as the Moon does Joshua never commanded the Earth to stop as it spins at 1000 mph at the Equator and stopping the Earth would have projected the ocean waters over the Continents, which never happened
@@danielanderson6933 The Greeks used simple Geometry and the measurements of the shadows of poles in different locations to discover the shape of the Earth Had the bible authors been " Divinely Inspired " they would have described the universe truthfully
I spent so much time in the meetings reading footnotes and cross checking the Index of the NWToHS instead of listening to the talks. I was constantly saying to myself “wait didn’t we read something completely contrary to these verses a few weeks ago?” “I don’t know how I could be the only one seeing this!”
There’s many layers to each verse, and much of it is separated by language barriers via translation. Very very little of the Bible is meant to be taken literally 1:1. These charlatans find a single aspect of a verse that may or may not even be true and think they’re something special, but almost every time they twist their interpretations to justify their twisted ideology. Those people aren’t Christian’s. Every ancient religious text is proof of the same God for those who have eyes to see the connections. Read your Bible first through an astrological lens, then read it through a technological lens as if it’s a child describing technology for the first time, then read it through a spiritual lens, etc. the literal lens should be the last thing you read it through, after you get what it actually is. Hint: no organized religion gets it
WOW! This is your best video yet! You are becoming one of my favorite youtubers on this subject. Really cuts through any doubt I had about leaving. Please do more videos like this and use the Hebrew/ Greek / Aramaic original meanings. I am especially interested in this. Almost every time I have looked up any quotes they are usually incorrect. Very informative but be careful you will have the flat earthers following you and using this video as proof the earth is flat. People will believe what they want to believe.
No Christian in Fundamentalist Churches believes the Earth is Flat. There might be a keyboard warrior somewhere but we 99% believe the earth is round. I don't know about JWs because i think they are a cult but in terms of mainstream christianity its round
Your wisdom will always continue to grow because of your good work. All your videos are factual and concise. As a former Jehovah's witnesses, I can totally relate properly. Thanks for sharing this great piece.
Isn't it amazing that the tilt of the earth is 90°-23.4°, or 66.6°?! And that the Earth is traveling around the Sun at 66,600 mph? How awesome is that?
You might be out by about 2500 mph...The fig is probably: 67,000 miles per hour (107,000 kilometers per hour). But I agree with you the geometry of the earth is full of remarkable numbers and it all points to a remarkable creator.
Ooh Dam, my parents still believe God stopped the Sun back there in Joshua. It's so painful to see this for years and They are praying for me to Come back to the Lurd
Would it have made any sense to the people back then if he had said he stopped the earth? Don’t we even now in this day say, “the sun rises at 6:30am today”?
Amazing research and presentation on this one, I hope one day more members of my JW family can see this and other videos to realize they've been mislead by ancient lies and dogma.
@@TheTruthHurts you're so bad, you can't even see what a loser you are. This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies. ---"What did the early church really teach? Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth. The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece: “There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6 Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more." ---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination." ---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). "Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China." "Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes: “Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.” Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
I really love the way you speak on these matters, openly, clearly and eloquently and all done with an amazing patience and clarity that ive not found in other videos of this nature subscribed for life bro
Sooooooo... according to the Insight book, during the creative days, God knew he was going to flood the earth in the future and was saving the water above the firmament for that occasion? 🤔
In the old days, they said the “water canopy enveloping the earth” served as a blanket to keep the earth in a greenhouse condition. When the canopy collapsed due to sin and the earth drowned, presto, no more paradise. Along with this teaching, they said that’s why carbon dating was unreliable because the suns radiation became stronger also causing mans lifespan to shorten. At the time I thought it made perfect sense.
@@catmeow333 that's how I remember it too. And that's also why there's rainbows 🌈 now and God can never use water to destroy us again...no more canopy.
@@jim.h Satan was an angel from a high hierarchy in Heaven, and he envied God, and wanted to be God. So the Lord punished him. God didn't created evil. Evil is only the lack of God. Not an opposite force! So simple your smart head. Go read the Bible and accept Jesus as your only Savior! You need to repent
@@lyrafilhodeadao6874 I spent most of my childhood/early adulthood in the church . I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior when I was 12. We were taught that the omniscient God created EVERYTHING, including all the angels of Heaven. You still haven't answered the question. If God is truly omniscient, then why did he create Satan? That's just one of the many, many questions I have about the bible. And let's not get started about God condoning slavery in the bible.
Growing up in a super conservative southern baptist household...even with mormon relatives...I was always taught that their beliefs were super strange and crazy compared to the ones I was brought up with. It was only after becoming and atheist and no longer hating myself for who I was that finally realized that all the 'crazy stuff' mormons and JWs beloved....were what I had been taught too. Just wish that more people could see that.
I Know an Atheist who speaks Like Yo do in Real Life whom I also Knew growing up. He also says When he was a Christian He Hated Himself. But, He didn't. Nor does Christianity teach Yo to Hate Yourself. The Atheistic Not-A-Religion has made it Dogma that Christianity teaches us to Hate ourselves, but it gee Old when You Know its not True.
"it's Photoshop but it has to be" ~ NASA on every image of the globe earth 👉🌍. NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive". Water always finds it's ways flat and level, you have never seen it bend to match what is underneath it with your own two natural eyes or stick to balls, but all you need to do is run a bathtub to see how enclosed flat earth cosmology works and is true. Don't be a sheep following supposed "experts" and the religion of Scientism which isn't even real science because it can't even objectively prove its claim's. Don't be decieved like the whole world.
@@mangakatanaka3067 I guess you've never been to an oceam coast or even at a Lake more than a mile wide. There you could see the effects of the curvation. Where do you live? In a prairie plains or in a mountain valley?
This truly deserves 100x the views. You opened this ex-Christian's eyes to see how the Bible authors undeniably thought the earth was flat. Thank you for your work.
The Bible authors never taught the Earth was flat. It has been known for 2,700 years that the Earth was spherical [round.] The Flat Earth Movement is a Movement of morons [fools] who deny the evidence of both science and technology. Human beings have been travelling into space since the 60s and have seen the Earth from outside the atmosphere. To at no point do they describe the Earth as some flat plane. They seeing the Earth as some oblate spheroid. To even from 60 miles ------ let alone 260 ------ miles ------ the curvature of the Earth is evident. The International Space Station orbits the Earth at 245-260 miles. To at no point do astronauts describe the Earth as some flat pancake!! The curvature of the Earth is evident even at 20 miles. And that's ------ high. 60 ------ miles ------ the beginning of space. (62 ------ miles.) To even at 10 miles (52,800 feet) the curve of the Earth as being evident. Though you have to be very high to see the curve of the Earth. Many ------ MANY ------ thousands of feet. From our ------ location ------ the surface ------ the Earth appears ------ to be flat. To because of the Immense Size of the Earth to because "we" are so tiny on the Earth. Utterly ------ insignificant. But ------ you have to go many thousands of feet to get high enough above the Earth to to see that it is spherical. Satellites ------ in orbit above the Earth have in fact photographed the Earth from space ------ to from 100 to in fact ------ 22,500 miles (geostationary ------ orbit) to at no point do satellites show the Earth is flat. Satellites have both filmed and photographed our Earth. To including ------ weather satellites. To ------ all Flat Earthers ------ go enter yourselves/place yourselves into some mental institution. Your ------ mentally ill.
No, you joined with this loser. This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies. ---"What did the early church really teach? Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth. The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece: “There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6 Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more." ---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination." ---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). "Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China." "Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes: “Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.” Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
@@zbnmth wow we got a smart ass atheist who knows it all and can destroy any religion in a matter of nanoseconds guys and girls!!! get off from your high horse man. pRiMiTiVe FaIrY tAlEs. your annoying and not helping your cause.
@@sofachrome depends what kind of faith. yeah jehovas witnesses tend to have a weak faith. theres too many snobby atheists that think as if shattereing faiths is a good thing. haha if its by repulsive violence or nonsense words like faith shattering yes sure. it is good that hes out of the JW church though now to become a better Christian JW is a different denomination. that doesnt mean the whole of christianity is AH ITS ALL WRONG! too many high horses I see :/
@@IsraelCountryCube I don't think it's all wrong. (love thy neighbor as thyself? Kinda cool) But faith is something of a major bummer in my experience, leading to false hope. Please don't resort to name-calling if I have just never been convinced of the stories to be anything more than fairy tales. Fairy tales have their use, but not as a basis for reality, which is what faith implies. Pragmatically interpretated, just like the Grimm-stories, they are useful in life. But I have zero faith in the Grimm stories as a descriptor of the world's factual description and history.
When you mentioned "blasphemy", it occurred to me that any religion that uses the terms "heresy" or "blasphemy", you should turn around and run in the opposite direction. Those terms were created to strike fear into people and keep people from thinking. Love your videos dude. Keep on thinking!
@@davidpelto8824 theres no 100% answer of its intention, but any god that would consider you evil and blasphemous for just questioning things is definitely using fear to control you
@@davidpelto8824 the funny thing is, those terms are not found in Buddhism or Taoism. Those two religions encourage their followers to question everything that you are taught.
This was phenomenally well done. You're channel's approach of using the same teaching techniques as WBTS is executed so well. I really appreciate the effort you put in to these.
@@mattgreen3011 because the Bible isn't a science book. God could have given the Israelites modern scientific knowledge but that would have confused them and resulted in Israel missing any greater message at play. For example, the flood. God could have told the Israelites that technically there are other continents and lands they haven't discovered that will later be called North America, South America, Australia, Antarctica, various islands, and more land area within Asia, Africa and Europe. But you can easily see how this would have blown the mind of an ancient Israelite and any meaning regarding the flood story would have been overlooked. I see the flat earth that way. When God gave Moses the 10 commandments he could have given him a lecture on heliocentrism and gravity, but that was never the point.
@@mattgreen3011 Ben Stanhope is a Christian Old Testament scholar who has some great material on this kind of stuff. He has a UA-cam channel and an amazing book "Misinterpreting Genesis".
Yes we did a time traveling debate in school where we could only use the Bible as a reference to prove the earth was round. We had to concur, according to the Bible, it’s flat!
Try reading more than one version... Isaiah 40:22 Aramaic Bible in Plain English: And him who sits on the SPHERE of The Earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretched out the Heavens like a vaulted bowl, and stretched them out as a tent for a dwelling Peshitta Holy Bible Translated: And him who sits on the SPHERE of The Earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretched out the Heavens like a vaulted bowl, and stretched them out as a tent for a dwelling The Message 21-24 Have you not been paying attention? Have you not been listening? Haven’t you heard these stories all your life? Don’t you understand the foundation of all things? God sits high above the ROUND BALL OF EARTH. Proverbs 8:27 New International Version I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the HORIZON on the face of the deep, King James Bible When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a COMPASS upon the face of the depth: New King James Version When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a CIRCLE on the face of the deep, Job 26:10 New Living Translation He created the HORIZON when he separated the waters; he set the boundary between day and night. King James Bible He hath COMPASSED the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end. English Standard Version He has inscribed a CIRCLE on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness. 1. There is no horizon on a flat endless plane. 2. Horizons only exist on curved surfaces. 3. The only way to calculate the distance to the horizon on Earth is to use the CURVATURE formula. 4. There is no mathematical formula for calculating distance to the horizon on a flat plane. 5. The terms circle, compass and horizon all apply to a three-dimensional object. 6. There is no such thing as a circle in 3D. 7. A compass is used on a sphere to calculate angels and distances. 8. A sphere is a 3D circle.
@@tjjones621 but the Earth is not endless it stops at the ice ring, where the boundaries of the firmament begin. Also I cannot see the word sphere in my Bible I see circle...a dinner plate or a pizza is circle also flat. OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS TALKING ABOUT THE FIRMAMENT docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gignFwc3WB3ynK7NVKADaE1i06MlS1XvMXdvfo6o0CU/edit?usp=sharing HERE IS WHAT STARS REALLY LOOK LIKE UP CLOSE ua-cam.com/video/hdNFo5eWf9g/v-deo.html WATER RIPPLES SPREADS ACROSS THE FIRMAMENT AFTER ROCKET HITS IT ua-cam.com/video/wbzSEln4aoM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/24h_ffcfmEw/v-deo.html WATER RIPPLES TRAVELS ACROSS JUPITER ua-cam.com/video/4g67jvve2ZM/v-deo.html SCIENTISTS CAPTURE FIRMAMENT ON VIDEO (FIXED AUDIO VERSION) ua-cam.com/video/hvJtQUu8--I/v-deo.html THE SUN AMIDST THE CLOUDS! ua-cam.com/video/56OIbwPtsRU/v-deo.html THE SUN INSIDE THE HORIZON! ua-cam.com/video/XQKS0kvTWzQ/v-deo.html www.whale.to/c/sun_flat_earth.html
@@tjjones621 first off the bible wasnt writen in english Secondly it doesnt say sphere it says circle Which yall interpreted as sphere to suit scientific discoveries
@@rickojay7536 Ok... circle it is... Let's define the terms for what they are. A sphere is a three dimensional shape. A circle is a two dimensional shape. There is no such thing as a "circle" in reality, only circular 3D objects. Have I made any errors so far? Therefore, "looking down upon the circle of Earth" can mean both a flat disk or a ball shape, or even a ring shape like a donut or hoola hoop. Reality helps us understand the correct interpretation. Without considering the reality God created, your understanding will be thwarted and reading all Scripture literally is a roadblock that opens the door for the influence of the enemy. Think about looking up at the Moon and saying, "As I looked up at the circle of the Moon, I was astounded by the level of God's love for us." That does not make the Moon a flat disk.
People leave the faith because they believe the lies on page 2: "did God really say?", and "you will be like God knowing good from evil." ;) Thats about all the guy in the video talks about. People have created their own gods, notice people say, "my god wouldn't ...", and they call their god funny names like evolution. -Bob
I’ve read it cover-to-cover multiple times. I still believe, despite readily admitting that the ancient Israelites had no concept of modern science, that things like evolution happened, and that parts of the old historical records are… flawed.
@@adamkurt471 yep, I do. It’s a long and complicated answer. The short(er) version of what I feel like saying right now, though, is that there’s nothing in the Bible that actually requires the “doctrine” of inerrancy (it’s a position that a lot of people take based on a certain brand of “logic,” but all the Bible actually requires is that it be divinely inspired and “useful”), and, without that doctrine, there’s no reason to assume that the older “history” can’t be at least somewhat legendary and the assumed cosmology suspect (most of the biblical references to ANE cosmology are poetic, and frequently hyperbole) while the newer history remains essentially reliable (if subject to the same minor discrepancies as any account of an ancient historical incident). Assuming a creator of the universe (and there’s no particular reason not to, regardless of what you think of ANE cosmology), there’s no reason they couldn’t have a personality and interact with some of their creations in some pretty spectacular ways (put another way, the argument that miracle stories are unreliable because miracles can’t happen starts with a baseless assumption), nor is there any particular reason to think they couldn’t accommodate those creations’ oddities a bit in their interactions while nudging towards greater enlightenment (ie, the argument that Yahweh doesn’t exist because he didn’t immediately ban slavery relies on some baseless assumptions). I find that belief or disbelief comes down to experience and assumptions, rather than anything provable by scientific experimentation.
I've enjoyed all your content, but this may be my favorite of your presentations (so far)! You've laid out your argument beautifully and taught me quite a lot-- it's been years since I've read the entire Bible and I was viewing many of the passages you spoke about as metaphors and poetry. Maybe one day I'll read it through completely again; if I do, I'll have a more complete understanding because of you. On another note, have you ever considered opening a PayPal, Ko-fi, or similar account? I appreciate your work and would like to make a one time payment to support your channel.
Thank you for the very kind feedback. It's great to know that this video was your favorite so far! Thanks to your comment I have just set up a PayPal account where ones can contribute. Thanks so much for wanting to support my channel. I hope it works! paypal.me/harrisoncother
@@TheTruthHurts Thanks! I'm glad to see you updated your videos' descriptions, but make sure you add the link to your YT About section and to your other social media accounts. It never hurts to mention it!
The King James Bible that you quoted in your video, when you were referencing the "firmament", contains a marginal note in the first edition copies printed by the King's printer in 1611. It says that the Hebrew says "expansion" where the word "firmament" appears. The Geneva Bible of 1560 also contains a note stating the same. These translators from over 400 years ago don't agree that the "raqia" means something solid. William Tyndale writing 500 years ago defined the raqia simply as "sky". No mention of anything solid. And between Tyndale, KJV, and Geneva translators, we are talking about the people who are most responsible for establishing the text of the scripture in English. Maybe it would be helpful to include these sorts of notes so that the translators and their work is not misrepresented.
I get it that there’s a lot to deconstruct coming from JW. But I don’t get why, with the outspoken types, it always seems to come down to guys wanting to stick their junk in another guys trunk, and the Bible is bad because it is disapproved.
The word Raqia means solid and firm. The Greek translation chose Stereoma which also means solid. The practice of claiming many scriptures are allegory started with Augustine. Some of his heresy continued into the Middle Ages. The Latin vulgate translated by Jerome correctly chose firmamentum which is where firmament comes from. Any attempt to say the firmament is air, atmosphere or an expanse is an incorrect translation and an attempt to obscure the true scriptural context.
@@David-lq4tq God defined what the raqia was in Genesis 1:8, He said it is heaven. And the scripture states that the birds fly in it, and the sun, moon, and stars are in the heavens. The Geneva, and KJV translators defined the word raqia for us in 1560 and 1611. They don't agree with you, and I'm unaware of any major Bible translators of the last 500 years who agree with you. William Tyndale also defined firmament, and he also did not agree with you, and he defined it 500 years ago. The Septuagint is a translation and is not the original. I don't have a reason to hold to the Latin, or Greek, over the Hebrew, and the scholars who have weighed in on this over the last 500 years.
@@hayfieldhermit9657 I’m not concerned with anyone agreeing with me, the Bible clearly teaches the firmament is solid and hold back water. Look at every verse regarding biblical cosmology and look up the Hebrew words. You will see I am speaking truth.
thank you for telling everyone that 1.3M earths would fit into the sun !! i am so tired of people saying that the sun would fit 1M earths into it. 20,000 bonus points awarded to "The Truth Hurts"
Its just too damn bad that the minds of the many are only capable of thinking & living in 1D because this video is an absolute treasure trove of open minded comprehension of these hidden in plain sight iconic comments & all of humanity deserves to hear these words . admitting being wrong is hard especially on this type of scale & I am impressed with how well you explained all this in such a way that Uum I dunno like I fully understood it before i realized hey I understood it lol. (I know what I'm trying to say here) thank you for this video, I hope billions of people sew this
The Bible suggests we live in 10 dimensions. No one believes we are in 1 d...that is absurd! 4 d is absolutely provable by our basic senses and even the earliest Christians could see that. Is it your intention to mock Christians by making a fool of yourself? If so..Great job! Most theoretical physicists today expect that there are 10 dimensions. The amount of narcissistic hubris shown here is dumbfounding. The whole point of the conversation between God and Job was to allow Job to see his place and put God in His rightful place. You completely missed that! It is sad. All these folks...teen agers twenty somethings etc "deconstructing " their "religion". Look..religion is of man...I agree. What God reveals is of God. So you read the Bible and see flat earth. You believe the "Science" instead of the Bible? You do you. Bear in .ind science text books change every couple of years. And the things scientists say are fact often get proven to be complete fiction in 10-20 years. The Bible is consistent. It does take faith. But Biblical cosmology is infinitely more reasonable than this big bang nonsense! Entropy disproves evolution! We see entropy in our own lives day to day. Macro evolution is a joke and a pathetic one at that! Since one has to have faith to believe God and the Bible or faith to believe scientists and "the science" I will put my faith in God. I am a firm believer in free will and everyone making their own decisions. So is God! So you believe whatever and I will believe God and the Bible and when the day of our demise is at hand let the cards fall where they will! Peace in your pursuit of truth!
Another great synopsis giving a balanced , fact based view! I really like the fact you show it from both points of view - everyone can always shape things in ways they want - but it doesn't stop there being overwhelming evidence pointing to the truth! I only wish people were shown all of the facts before making up their minds rather than being told what to think with only a sliver of the information!! Can't way for the next topic!
Wow, this presentation is DEVASTATING to any open-minded Christian apologist, and easily dismantles any other god-centered religious orientation as well. Well done, sir.
"it's Photoshop but it has to be" ~ NASA on every image of the globe earth 👉🌍. NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive". Water always finds it's ways flat and level, you have never seen it bend to match what is underneath it with your own two natural eyes or stick to balls, but all you need to do is run a bathtub to see how enclosed flat earth cosmology works and is true.
@@mangakatanaka3067 False. It's Photoshoped because it's thousands of legitimate photos stiched together from close to the earth and the resulting compound must be tweaked in terms of lighting, coloration, visible stiches and the removal of people from the surface. Nasa doesn't exist in hewbrew as a word at all. The term you've been decieved into conflating it with has no relationship with the modern abreviation of National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Here's the hewbrew word for deception for comparison הונאה and it looks nothing like NASA nor is pronounced as such. Level doesn't mean flat", but I'm sure you know that. The issue is that you don't care about what's true, you only care about what you believe. Which is why you can blatantly ignore obvious evidence of the sphere shape of the earth. You know full well the curving area is alot larger than you can see in any one go from the surface of the Earth and when you are directly shown the curvature from a point high enough with a wide enough view to see it, you deny it outright for no rational reasons. You are Not Sceptical, you have nothing but baseless incredulity and an incredibly narrow closed off mind. Religion has turned your brain to mush and worse still, You're proud of that fact. Level doesn't mean flat, and before you throw out the definition, this saying is in reference to your and all flat earthers missunderstanding of "water seeks its own level". You simply have the wrong idea of what it means for water to seek its own level. Water seeking its own level means that water from a single source flowing into a system with separate containers will fill up each side to the same height. The word “level” has different uses depending on context. It can be level, like a table top, which is the way you're using it, or level can mean a relative height, as in a “higher or a lower level,” which is what this "principle" actually refers to. Water does not seek to be “flat.” It seeks to balance between separate columns of water that have a common source. The “level” that water seeks is thus NOT a flat plane. It is a curved surface the diameter of Earth. It only looks like a plane for short distances that you can easily see. Your limited perception from the Earth's surface doesn't allow you to ‘see’ the slight curve that it has. Furthermore, you have no idea what so ever about what you're talking about in regards to science and experimentation. But lets pretend you do. What experiments have you done or what theoretical underpinning can you provide? It is OK if you haven’t done any grand experiments and rely simply on your own observations. In all of your observations, you have seen that water does something and it does it consistently and you call that “seeking level.” However, I'm very sure you have never done an experiment that distinguishes between these two* rules: 1) Water always seeks its own level, and that level is necessarily planar.** 2) Water always seeks its own level, and that level is necessarily perpendicular at each point on the surface of the water to a vector from the water to the center of gravity of the Earth.*** You know for certain the first part - and most everyone who has considered the issue will agree with you. Water does seek its own level, or in more pedestrian terms, water flows downhill if it can. The problem is with your intuitive definition of “level”. Undisturbed water is in *hydrostatic equilibrium.* If its surface is open and under the same atmospheric pressure everywhere*, the surface will be perpendicular to its local gravity field in every point.
@@mangakatanaka3067 Even a glass of water is curved at the top, it's specifically called a meniscus. Again you know nothing of proper experimentation or you would understand that a bathtub doesn't demonstrate anything about an flat earth, Besides the a poor concept that modern FE's don't accept if you've actually bothered to keep up with their claims. They say FE is not a space pizza held up by elephants, they claim it's an endless plane and that the icewall only encircles our part of it. Doesn't look much like a tub of water, then does it? Lol
@@guytheincognito4186 Nasa gets a huge budget of our tax dollars every year and you are telling me they can get photographs of the surface of Mars but they can't some how get one single photograph of the globe earth by just taking a photo as the rocket leaves to go to mars??? 😅😂🤣 Hahahhahahhaha yeah I smell bs.
@@guytheincognito4186 a glass of water curves at the top 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 save it for stand up night🤡. Nobody has ever seen water curve at the top in a glass of water, your bs is just funny at this point don't let that nose of yours grow to big now. 🤥
I think you are an amazing young man. To have taught yourself so much and escaped that cult is just incredible. May you help others to help themselves!
@@jimmynolet3752 *Flat Earth is a PSYOP that has been carried out by ATHEISTS and infected those among us who are weak minded, privy towards new absurd ideas and who are desperate for attention. There isn't a SINGLE scripture in the ENTIRETY of the Biblical texts that discuss a FLAT EARTH. The accusation that ancients thought the earth was flat was hoisted upon the public by Naturalists in the late 19th century. Columbus NEVER thought the earth was flat.*
@@thetruthchannel349 i've only met christian internet warriors claiming the earth is flat. i never met a single christian in real life that thinks the earth is flat.
@@jimmynolet3752 *I documented that ATHEISTS were the driving force behind COMMENT led claims that the 'EARTH is FLAT.' In fact, after I began confronting these ATHEISTS for mis-representing themselves their YT accounts began deleting themselves. I collected this evidence for over a year. The majority of comment warriors saying things like 'Bible says the earth is flat' were ATHEISTS pretending to be Christian flat earthers.*
You hit the nail on the head about "Desperately desiring the bible" When a person wants needs and desire something ANYTHING they will always look for the parts ( conformation bias ) that support it and dismiss the parts that do not support their want need and desire. it happens in every aspect of life from love to wanting a god. To have been surrounded and indoctrinated constantly, to then realize on your own the reality of the situation and to wake up to it was truly epic. My respects to you sir.
Incorrect, no Christian believes the Earth is Flat, we all believe it is round. We also openly mock Evolutionism and don't believe in it, which if it was a matter of picking and choosing it would make more sense running with the world. Also we believe in Jesus we don't pick and choose that part. We believe in Noah's Ark Event.....frankly you just believe what everything dan said in the video...most of it is untrue.
@@jimmynolet3752 Dan is explaining his experience within his ex church. There are over 50 denominations that call themselves christian and each has its own interpretation. (That is why there are so many denominations) Your first word is "Incorrect" Within HIS Jehovah Witness group he was told and force fed this so it is not incorrect. His statement stands. As for what you believe i am very sure it is different. You must be clear and concise when listening to an explanation so you are incorrect my friend. You have postulated a theory that I believe everything he said.. Like your faith you lack any evidence of this as i was praising his ability to see past the superstition the mumbo jumbo and realize that the science conflicted with what he was taught As for his science none of what he said was untrue. YOU ARE INCORRECT on many levels, your presumption of what i was commending him for, your assertion that the science he stated was wrong and your assumptions that i believe everything he said. Agreeing is not belief It is simply agreeing using knowledge that I already posses with proof rather than agreeing with something lacking any evidence. Everything he stated is in line with what was taught to me 30 years ago from my university. Please learn not to jump to conclusions, to presume. If you think and believe the great flood of the bible actually happened it is up to you and your religion to prove your claim. Scientifically is is 99.999999999999999999999999% improbable that it did. The same statistics as mermaids and leprechauns being at the bottom of my garden around my pond... Or santa claus being real.
@@mkay6089 You don't think when I am talking to evolutionists or people of other faiths they don't vary extremely? You should try to debate evolutionists I can't get any of them to commit to the same thing...they all say it had to happen but at the point they don't agree with each other. Religion we vary as well most denominations are ALL Christians. JW are not. Hmmm you didn't say much, but i should clarify Noah's Ark seeing you don't believe. You can watch Kent Hovind on how it all was possible. I can get further into detail how it all happened with my own spin but, you don't even need any of that. UA-cam Ron Wyatt Noah's Ark...there's the ship what more do you need
@@jimmynolet3752 They do vary extremely... They vary enough with the important bits such as marriage and divorce, Some allow their clergy a wife some do not, some still believe the Noah;s ark story some do not some still insist gays be stoned, some have stated gays are welcome. Some state the earth is 6000 years old others agree with science goes on and on. Depends what a person wants out of their religion, what they think is right or wrong . Jehovah's witnesses identify as christian, Just because you do not ether recognize that term or you wish to pretend they do not is irrelevant. As for Ken Hovind he has proved nothing other than to show his devotion to what he wants, needs and desires. Again if you wish to actually understand science All the animals could never fit on an ark with the dimensions the bible gives and only animals that were native to that region where the bible was written seem to have been included in the ark story funny that! If they had listed kangaroos or koala bears i would have been impressed. Along with the scientific understanding of the earth being covered with water life would not have been able to survive ( oxygen / co2 levels etc) the recovery time and many other scientific reasons it is impossible. You are a christian, you want need and desire your god so anything that supports your desire for this god is evidence anything that does not is fake news or misdirection etc. You have your faith. Fine. enjoy. You are trying to use Pseudo science to prop up and support your faith. The findings of Noahs ark were by a team of Evangelists not archaeologists and In 2020, the Institute for Creation Research acknowledged that, despite many expeditions, Noah's Ark had not been found and is unlikely to be found. Many of the supposed findings and methods used in the search are regarded as pseudoscience and pseudo archaeology by geologists and archaeologists. Sorry your need want and desire will not produce evidence nor make something true. You asked What more do i need ? PROOF, EVIDENCE, FACTS. Not wishes and fairy stories. There is no ship. Never was.
@@TheTruthHurts "tell your story and reveal the knowledge you gained along the way" ----- Thus, having come to understand the unreasonableness of one delusion, one would hope that you move forward toward a well-reasoned faith that does not stagnate in an apparent atheistic delusion.
i rejected the FE back in 2015 and i disassociated from watchtower back in 2019, i had a few questions that were planted years earlier of how stars revolve around Polaris and last year arpil 2021 started researching which lead me back to FE.
Bro just look up in the sky during a sunset or sunrise. There is all the proof you need that we live on a spherical earth. The way the sky changes colors so dramatically and drastically in such a short period of time can only, here I'll repeat myself, it can only happen on a spherical shape.
Another great video, Harrison! Thanks! I see things the same way. I care whether something is true or not. And whether something makes me 'feel good' about myself or the world is not a measure of truthfulness.
Excellent video. Definitely a lot of these questions in my head as a JW, wish I had the courage to ask them sooner than I did. The part on bending the bible to science was interesting. Some fellow apostates today want to claim the bible isn't against homosexuals either, that it's only mistranslations and misinterpretations and the bible never mentions gay people. I think this is making the bible fit modern standards. These ancient goat herders didn't have better standards for equality than we do now. It's a fabrication. The bible "is what it is."
Bible is against what it says it is. And not what it's not. And for those that try to change it. They should read the last paragraphs at the end of the Bible. And repent of doing so, if they have done these things. Revelation 22:19 “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
Well it doesn't take any kind of special intelligence to see that there is no purpose to the same sex being together. The parts don't fit and do not create a baby. It's up to choice. You aren't forced into a relationship.
@@MrLaughingcorpse doesn't take any special intelligence to make a comment like that either. Old people can't make a baby and their parts often don't fit either. Should they get a divorce?
In H.G. Well's story "The Man Who Could Work Miracles," the protagonist at one point in the story had reason to make the earth stop. He said "Jest Stop." And it did, and what Tyson said in the clip shown here, things went flying. I have long questioned the idea of the earth's rotation stopping instantaneously. Even a gradual slow down would still have dire consequences.
When I was a teenager I attended a 7th Day Adventist school and they drew a disk as you showed with the firmament above and below with the sun and stars stuck on the firmament. They quoted the Bible and stated that’s what the earth actually looked like. I didn’t believe it.
Wow, around what year do you think this was? Just curious if it was after the modern flat earth movement which has been growing since around 2015 or before that
A randomly chosen Mesopotamian 2500 years ago might have said that he lived under a dome. Almost anything is possible, and there were probably flat-Earthers even then. However, I doubt that he would have said that he lived under a dome-shaped 'firmament' since that was not a word or concept which had been coined back then. The word he might have used if he was a Hebrew, 'raqiya' is commonly translated as expanse or sky, and with good reason. It is self-evident that we live under a sky, and ancient peoples were not as fixated upon nonsense as we are today. They tended to just say what they saw. The use of the then freshly-coined and previously undefined word 'firmament' in the KJV is based on a mistranslation in Jerome's 4th-century Latin Vulgate translation. 2:00 "He runs away as fast as he can because he's convinced that there is something seriously wrong with you". - Yes, and I would add that he is probably right. Before running, though, he might well concede the validity of many of your points, but he would probably want to know how you arrive at your precise figures. How do you know, for instance, that you can fit 1.3 million Earths inside the Sun? Upon further conversation he would probably conclude that you are just quoting from a textbook and don't have any deep insights of your own, and so no he would not be gobsmacked, and neither would he hang on your every word like you are Jesus. 3:40 "Even today, there remains a Flat Earth Society". - founded in 1956. Do not blame ancient peoples for that aberration. 4:00 "There is one who dwells above the circle of the Earth". The ancient Greeks spoke of a "horizon kuklos" meaning "limiting circle". I believe that other ancient cultures had a similar concept. If you happen to live on a flat plain then the limit of what you can see forms a circle. Again it's just "say what you see". And it just so happens that even if you are many thousands of miles above the Earth, the limit of what you can see still forms a circle, which separates the near hemisphere from the far. 12:20 "The noun 'raqiya' is derived from the verb 'raqqa'". .. which means "spread out". The sky is an expanse, meaning that it is spread out. There is no reason to suspect any solidity. There is a similar word IN SYRIAC which means solid, and which is probably the cause of the initial confusion, but actually confusing these words would be like concluding that consuming French baked goods would be an agonizing process because the French word for bread is pain.
*Hebrew Cosmology is an attempt to give a PHYSICAL REPRESENTATION of that which is HYPER-PHYSICAL. What LIARS like the one in the video leave out is that MOST ancient Cosmologies have the EARTH circled by a SERPENT or a MULTI-HEADED serpent. So, that means if the REPRESENTATION means that the earth is LITERALLY FLAT and LITERALLY ENCASED in a DOME and the SUN and the MOON are just little LIGHTS? That means they also thought a BIG FREAKIN 7 HEADED SNAKE was WRAPPED around the DOMED EARTH. Ya, but they didn't. That 7 HEADED SERPENT represents an ORGANIZED 'ANGELIC' REBELLION or CHAOS or SPIRITUAL DARKNESS or EVIL. And just like the 7 headed serpent doesn't mean a REAL BIG SNAKE CIRCLING the EARTH? Nothing else in that COSMOLOGY denotes anything PHYSICAL. Its a METAPHYSICAL REPRESENTATION of the HIERARCHIES in REALITY.*
I'm so glad someone else understands the origin, and meaning of the original Hebrew term of sky. As well as the vault concept being an issue from the Latin vulgate importing Greek cosmoganies. Something else that is funny is they will quote scripture from PSALMS which is expressly poetry to try to say the Bible says the earth is flat, and that it is geocentric, and that is what everyone believed when it was written but they'll conveniently overlook the passages from job (which is older, and non-poetic) that states the skies are stretched out over empty space, and that the earth hangs on nothing. People can be so certian of concepts without giving a little critical thought and the minimum of research.
@@lyrafilhodeadao6874 Open reminds so much that their brain falls out and falls out and uncritically take your ancient piece of Babylonian fan fiction.
I wish a Flat Earther would come to my door. I’d love to engage in the discussion and ask him why he doesn’t believe the sun rises and sets below the earth when even the Bible says so in Ecclesiastes 1:5?
@@FlyTour69 Good point. Other readers here will search: " Ancient Hebrew cosmology " Galileo's and Copernicus's scientific calculations disproved the bible author's writings, that were claimed at Joshua 10:12-13 The pre science bible author's viewpoint was that the Sun traveled in motion over the Earth, in the same way as the Moon does, and that _both_ could be magically stopped, at the very same time, by one man's prayer to YHWH
Awesome video! Technically the earth doesn't rotate at 1,000 mph, rotation is measured in degrees and drift, the earth rotates at a 15-degree per hour drift, which is why we don't notice it, it's super slow. You're arms are huge mate, you must favour arm day or pump steroids straight in to those guns. 😜 Great work on your videos, glad I happened upon you lads, I've got a free education on The last days being more applicable to 1550, I have also had a good laugh at the humour. Excellent ExJw channel.
Exactly!! There is a difference between a ball and circle. You young man are an amazing critical thinker and express your findings very well. I'm hooked. Binge watching now to catch up.
But when the original word "chuwq" means both "circle" and " sphere", there is no contradiction. Even Jesus used a greek word "gyros" about the circle of the earth. So what is the problem with Bible and the spherical earth?
@@mikemental8285 -- The problem is simple. Honestly think, if there were a being that truly were All Knowing, then that being knew that there would be this confusion, correct? So why not prevent this confusion from ever happening? How? By he himself writing his own books. If he is also All Powerful, then the LEAST he could have done was write us his book. If he were also All Loving, then he WOULD at the very least have done that for us. But.... he didn't. Why? Just think, if there were some "Omnipotent" and “Omniscient” being who was a Good/Loving god and he wanted us to know his message/plan, then the least he could have done was author the book himself. Make it his "Perfect" word of god that no mere Human could ever write or improve upon. So magical that even the blind and illiterate need only touch it and they would know and understand what it says. It would be so magical, that it would be Impossible to "misinterpret". Because of that, everyone would completely understand it with no need to “interpret” and there would be ZERO doubt as to Exactly what it says and means. The message would get across Perfectly. Then everyone would agree as to what it said. Is that too much to ask? We would still have the right to follow it or not follow it, but the Message would be undeniable and perfect. But as of now, there is no such book. The bible, torah, quran, book of mormon, etc., etc. FAIL MISERABLY. A true book that was the “Perfect” word of a god would also be Perfect and because of that not need to be translated. So none of those books stand the test. The bibles alone have at least 60 different versions in just the English Language! That is why the bibles have so many denominations ALL Claiming that only THEIR interpretation of the word is real. Think of that, even people that truly do believe and WANT it to be true cannot agree as to what it says! Back in 2012, there were over 40,000+ denominations all disagreeing about what the current bibles say. So if the ‘god’ of the bibles “Inspired” the bibles to be Perfect, it has Failed Miserably. Something is either Perfect, or it isn't. There is no in between. None of those books are Perfect. Improving upon those books is child’s play.
@@mikemental8285 -- First, if there truly were a being that were "Perfect" in every way, we wouldn't exist. Second, what you said makes no sense. Seriously, be honest... take a step back and think about what you just said. Third, I ask you = why didn't that god write his own books? Last but not least, do yourself a huge favor. Read whatever book you claim is the "perfect" word of god. Read it with an Open Mind. You will discover all the Errors, Contradictions, and EVIL done by and commanded by that 'god'. Reading those books is what made me an Atheist. Ironically enough, when I read the bibles, I did that to connect more to our Claimed "Lord and Savior". Most who read those books with an Open Mind, are freed from the lies. I see religious people as Victims of all the Lies we were all told. Honestly, here's to hoping you Escape the lies. Happy Holidays. “Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov
"When I took the text out of context...I was only giving people a con."
What a banger of a line. I'm stealing that.
Agree... That was an awesome line!
timestamp 5:36
That's what you do as a deceived deceiver. But the way Harrison put it is definitely going to make me a thief, too ;))
Ironically he is still taking it out of context.
Multiple steals going on here. Including me.
"When JW uses the word EVIDENTLY, there's EVIDENTLY a big problem" ~ Harrison
"Doubtless" is another favourite.
So true. That’s the way my dad would speak. I realized at a young age a lot of JWs including my parents are gravely uneducated and just inept. Period. I could take nothing seriously in that cult.
@@reluctantheist5224 yes. I’ve heard them say “ No doubt “ multiple times.
When you realize his claim is that a sphere cannot be a circle, you realize this entire video must be comedy or a true piece of comedic gold. Talk about "explaining it away"
Von Braun's modest grave marker refers to one of his favorite biblical passages: "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmaments showeth His handiwork."
Vaughn Bruan, as if he’s so note worthy. Grave marker on your mind. Von Braun, who else? Edi Gourmet maybe.
Which just goes to show us that the German fascist party that he belonged to were not atheists but Christians.
Von Braun, the nazi war criminal responsible for many, many deaths with his V-2 rocket teamed up with 33* Freemason, Walt Disney, to condition us to the lie of space travel. Do you think he was saved later in life?
so...?
Y'all really don't get it.... Von Braun the man that made NASA go to the Moon it's telling you it was BS. Even the book that von Braun wrote a book stating that is would be impossible even the amount of fuel that it would take a ship could not hold it. And then after that he was paid to come up with blueprints I'm going to the Moon. So in his dying breath to the world he told the truth. God's word is true
My church didnt play the mental gymnastics; they taught me its true and “the world” is lying
Amen... The father of all lies has his minions going all over lying...
You are mentally ill 😂😂
What exactly is true😂!?
@@zuok1867That which cannot be negated is true.
@@zuok1867 God is true and every man is a liar 😎
I was a Mormon for over 20yrs and during the 2020 lockdown I did my history of religion research and read the Bible and other lost books and learning about the flat earth was an amazing revelation.
"I was a Mormon for over 20yrs"-----
I hope your intention is not to exchange the Mormon delusion for an atheistic delusion. A better alternative is a well-reasoned faith.
@@andrewferg8737 Now that is a textbook example of a paradox: Well-reasoned faith.
Was...?
@@andrewferg8737 Reasoning requires acceptance of evidence and not believing things that disagree with the evidence. It requires that you change your beliefs and conclude that whatever you believed was wrong if you find out that the evidence doesn't support it or shows that the belief is wrong. And that you do that no matter how well-reasoned and supported by evidence your belief seemed at the time.
Faith doesn't require that at all. It requires that you believe things despite the evidence. It requires that you believe something even when the evidence is in contradiction to the evidence. I asked a friend of mine whether if he came to learn of some incontrovertible, undeniable, no-wriggle-room, absolute proof that there was no God of any kind at all, he would still believe in God. He said Yes, he would. I was gobsmacked. "But how could you possibly continue to believe something if you know it's not true?". You guessed it - faith.
What about you Andrew - if you had absolute proof such that you knew for certain that there was no God - as surely as you know that 1 + 1 does not equal 7, and must equal 2 (in base 3 and higher) - would you still believe in a God? And if you would - how would that faith be "well-reasoned"?
@@meganmills6545 "absolute proof such that you knew for certain that there was no..."----
This is an illogical premise.
I'm someone who left Islam, lives in Pakistan, Karachi and occasionally critical of it, and I can say quran is no different just Arabic and different phrasing of same bs
In some countries, you would be stoned to death or worse for saying that. Any wonder I became a skeptic like Harrison many years ago.
@@mikevale3620 and I live in one of those countries
im ex muslim too, and i live in Tunisia, i feel you, but luckly my country don't condamn ex muslims
@@LoquendoITAGAME thanks for your service by leaving This cult, I had pictures of me with my fingers infront of kabba the middle one lol, got deleted
@@exiledkenkaneki701 stay strong my friend, I tryed even to convince my mother to leave the cult, but she get mad saying that is just a period of confusing and thats it. i also searched others ex muslims but there aren't a lot on youtube, but im happy that we (as exmuslim) exist
If only...
They have no problem believing that every other religion is false, but they can't apply the same scrutiny to their own.
The word for circle is NOT the same as sphere.
Correct. There are two words in hebrew for a circle, and one of them does, in fact mean a spherical ball. Here's the two words according to the strongs' concordance.
H1754
Dure: a circle or ball.
Isaiah 22:18 He will surely turn and toss thee like a ball [H1754
Dure:]
H2329
khoog: a circle, circuit, compass
Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle[H2329] of the earth"
Isaiah 40:22 uses form H2329 khoog, which means a circle, circuit, compass.
The word dure H1754 was NOT used, and it does, in fact mean a spherical ball as seen in Isiah 22:18.
In order to properly translate the old Testament to any language, one has to go back to the Hebrew words. It doesn't matter what translation came after. It doesn't matter what it said in German. It doesn't matter what Tyndale or Martin Luther said. It matters what the Hebrew said, especially in regards to the old Testament, because that's how it was delivered to man.
The absolute fact is that there did exist a Hebrew word to describe a spherical ball shape of the earth when the Bible was recorded, and that was not the word used. We don't bend the Bible to fit our understanding. We must bend our understanding to fit the Bible.
Let God be true, and every man, a liar. For wisdom in the eyes of men is foolishness to God. We should not be ashamed to look a fool to men who hold no power over our soul. We should, however, be terrified to look like a fool to God.
1 Corinthians 3:18-19
"Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God."
Luke 9:26
"For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels."
@@moogle_k have you looked into the theory that Jesus already returned and were in rev 2o $@tans l1tt1e $e@$0n? Sorry youtube had been shadow banning that sentence
@@stephennelson1687 To the Earth spherical.
@@maxamahnken7325isaiah 22:18
18 He will roll you up tightly like a ball
and throw you into a large country.
There you will die
and there the chariots you were so proud of
will become a disgrace to your master’s house.
Isaiah 40:22
22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Both verses are from Isaiah. 22:18 uses the word for ball. Isaiah 40:22 uses the word for circle. They are not the same.
@@collinweeks6322 To the Earth round ------- spherical. The Earth ------ is not flat.
Keep up the great work! I worked with a guy who had a strict JW mum and dad. He was 20, not religious but still treated like a child and had to keep the act up, put the poor guy through hell. Eventually he came out as an atheist and got kicked out of home... Last time I spoke to him he was back in contact with his parents but said he couldn't go to their house in case anyone saw him there. Your videos are great for people in his situation.
Sorry, I'm a week behind here. Perhaps you know of these things already but just in case you don't: Please tell your friend to visit the channel 'genetically modified skeptic. He always has, in the content description area, lists of ways that new atheists can get help when they've been cut off from their religious support(families, churches, friends etc). Also, atheists.org or the you tube channel 'the atheist experience'. I hope the best for your friend.
@@ogg5949 to be honest haven't seen him in years, bumped into him about 8 years after I left the workplace. Back when we worked together had some pretty long and deep conversations about his situation, I'm always interested in learning about why people hold beliefs so I suppose I was a good listener and didn't judge. This was early 2000s. Later on when I bumped into him in a bar, got chatting, he gave me a brief update on his situation and we got pissed had a laugh and a catch up and went separate ways. Those links are great resources but I'll likely not bump into him again to recommend them! Seemed like he was in much better place and doing well, hope he still is too. Genuinely decent bloke.
"The great work"!
He is building his own cult!
Soon he will consider himself as the faithful and discreet youtuber for you guys!
Watch out!
@@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs WHAT???!!!!!
The biggest reason that Christians keep losing membership is...Christians.
Wow bro. As a EXJW, you and Lloyd Evans truly convince me that leaving was the right thing to do. Keep "spreading the good news". Love the content!
The JWs don't understand the Bible in my experience, however neither does this gentleman. It's interesting that what he says is generally correct, and yet his interpretation of it is so entirely wrong that it is mind boggling someone could be so dense. At the end he asks... "did the ancient writers believe in this theory of the cosmos?" ... the answer of course is that it doesn't matter. If I say "God's power makes the earth go round the Sun" or "God's power makes the sun go round the earth" Does this make a difference in regards to the point I'm making or what I'm saying? No, it doesn't.
@@rogerz3624 ok bro. Hold on to this "dislike" 👎
@@rogerz3624 seems like you're the dense one he explained everything very elegantly and makes complete sense. Go ahead if you want to keep believing in the Jew God.
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@@Raiderhater-m7k I believe the Bible teaches a flat earth and I don't have a problem accepting that and believing the earth is a globe.
While I was a Christian, it really bothered me that the “Scientific Miracles” in the Quran were of the same caliber as the Scientific Miracles of the Bible.
The Quran was written AFTER the Bible. It’s a counterfeit to pull people away from Christ. Not that hard to understand.
@@millennialsreign Lol. Just because they are similar does not mean you can say that the Quran was written for the sole purpose of misleading Christians. They are probably similar because stories in the bible and others like them were popular oral tradition at the time and influenced the way the Bible and the Quran were written. It is for this same reason that sacred texts older than the Bible (i.e. Enuma Elish) sound so similar to stories in Genesis. That is because the writers of Genesis were influenced by similar oral tradition and their proximity to the Sumerians influenced the texts they themselves wrote.
@@david.brackett nah the Quran and Islam believe the Bible was inspired by god, but that overtime the true meaning of the Bible got lost in translation, they believe christ was a prophet but not the messiah I think. And that Muhammad was inspired by god to fix the mistakes, so when the Quran has similar stories to the Bible it’s probably bc they copied them from the bible
@@markvickery5894 You understand that many of the bible stories are copied from ealier religons right?
@@-Shadesofmeaning yes I do, but that doesn’t change the fact the Quran copied a lot from the Bible
Flat-Earth Torah-Observant follower of Yahshua Hamashiach here! 🙌
Hello. Yes, Yahshua Hamashiach! I have been a follower of the Torah teachings and Biblical holy days-keeping-denominations, but still believed the whole solar system nonsense I was taught as a child, and believed for decades, that Earth was a spinning ball and revolved around the sun. But a few years ago I became aware of the moon landing hoax, and that we never went to the moon. That opened my mind just enough to consider the "flat earthers", but I still thought they were buying into a psyop. But in the last year or so, watching a lot of very good videos by Eric Dubay, I have finally realized that the globe earth was the psyop, and the earth is a level plane, and the sun and moon travel in their paths over the earth, and are not as far away as "scientists" claim. What group do you fellowship with, if I may ask?
@@geezermann7865
Shalom under the Dome, Brother.
I have no fellowship other than my father and my wife.
But I have found some good channels that teach Torah and Biblical Cosmology.
Assembly of Yahweh in Northern Alabama (AYIN).
Kingdom in Context.
Founded Earth Brothers.
Parable of the Vinyard.
Hanging on His Words.
Ministers of the New Covenant.
@@CalebTheHumbled Thank you for the reply. Earlier in my life I got a lot of good teachings from the Assemblies Of Yahweh, Bethel PA. On UA-cam I have found 2 or 3 channels available - one is Yahweh's Restoration Ministry in Missouri. They have live Sabbath streams. These are not necessarily "FE based".
The Biblical cosmology aspect, level earth, is not yet accepted everywhere though, and that is understandable. Public school education is hard to break.
Shalom brother! May Yahweh bless.
@@CalebTheHumbled A fine list of channels CalebTheHumbled. I want to make a comment I arrived at from watching parable of the Vineyard years ago when he had the backslider on often before he fell back in the world. I can't recall his name. Anyway the teaching included Matthew chapter 16 and it was the light that inspired me to seek and find this provable truth. The maker of this here videos science is worldly wisdom and if he would engage in what the apostle Paul commands. "prove all things" he would easily see why the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. Space is fake and you can prove it in a myriad of ways! Repeatable observations is real science. Since the total solar eclipse is the sign of Jonah. Jesus said that sign would be the only one given from heaven in matthew chapter 16. If I'm wrong, that sign will align with mans science. Repeatable observation of the Oct. 2023 annular eclipse and April 2024 total solar eclipse had something very special in common. THE SUN HAD SPOTS. When you compare video of the eclipses from multiple locations matching up the times you will see the spots rotated with the dark bite on the face of the sun. I wrote it that way because it wasn't the moon. Those repeatable observations proves there is no parallax between the two objects. If you want to imagine the darkened area on the face of the sun was due to what science claims is the moon. You must also believe there is a 400 times distance between the moon and sun and therefore we shouldn't have seen the spots rotate in sync with the moon but they did! Therefore the lack of parallax means the model of the moon being 400 times closer to us is a lie! Rendering mans scientific wisdom, ignorance like the bible says!
Same here
Harrison's content is as solid as the firmament, and even better - it's actually real!
And let the apostates say, AMEN. Lol
@@kammy6340 AMEN !!!
Not really. It’s misleading. See my commentary.
@@alparkes6084 I did see your commentary and it fits right into what Harrison said, just a lot of words to make the Bible say what you want it to say because you need it to be correct. If those verses were not meant to be taken literally but poetically then why do Christians (especially JWs and creationists) use them as a basis for the scientific accuracy of the bible? Who decides which verse is literal and which is symbolic? And just as the verses in Isaiah and Job are poetic as you say, why then is the verse about "God stretching out the sky" not poetic since you say it describes the expansion of the universe? You take that one as literal. And I'm pretty sure there are verses where the Bible says God "strecthes out the heavens like a fine gauze and spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell." (It's the same verse in Isaiah 40:22. The same verse you said is poetic bout the "circle" part. So the first part is poetic but the last part about the strecthing out of the heavens is literal? I don't get it.) The ancients did not see this strecthing of the sky as a constant expansion as science now says because a gauze or a tent is not continually strecthed. A tent is strecthed from one pin to another and then anchored in place by that pin just like the firmament was described to be. The firmament was strecthed like a tent. Meaning they saw the sky like a roof of a tent firmly anchored from one end of the earth to the other.
So, I still see much more validity in what Harrison says. This whole literal/poetic debate is just a crutch because religious people need the Bible to be true so you guys find ways to eisegetically put your ideas into the Bible to make it true. And why didn't God say this part is literal and this part is poetic? Why leave it so vague and open to interpretation? These were questions that made me research and made me look objectively on the Bible. Why not just let the Bible be what it is instead of what we want it to be? Just take it at it's word.
I don't see Harrison as misleading. That was when he was a JW. Misleading is religions job not his. I've heard more truth from apostates and atheists than I ever did from a religious person because atheists don't have an agenda to bolster, they just tell you like it is. Religion has an agenda and from experience they say and do anything to fit that agenda hence why eisegesis is a thing.
@@kammy6340 Thanks for your comments Kammy. To determine whether a verse should be taken literally, symbolically, or allegorically, it is the context surrounding the verse that is determinative. But you’re right, there are still grey areas that exist even when the context is studied carefully. The “six days” of creation is a perfect example. Some Christians believe these words should be taken literally, some believe they are meant to imply ages. Both Christians and atheists are guilty of making errors in this area. The good news is that, in all cases where literalness comes into question, the doctrines are of only minor importance in the larger scheme of things. But to pick out these verses to show flaws in the writings is questionable. There must be allowances made for the differences in the original language and word meanings, the culture and sophistication of the people between the writings 3,000 years ago and the present. When these documents were written they were written for the people of that day- the Jews in Palestine in 1000BC, and only secondarily to us in the 21st century. However an uneducated person today can read about the story of Jesus Christ and understand quite clearly what the gospel message is.
If you read my reply carefully, I said I COULD use Mr. Harrison’s same logic and prove the opposite of what he was claiming. But I don’t. I do not use statements in the Bible about the physical laws and world to argue the case for Christ or the Bible message to anyone. It would be liking swiping at a gnat while stumbling off a cliff. Many atheists use these “gotcha” arguments to “prove” the Bible contains errors. They don’t need to. If they’ve read the Bible, especially the New Testament which primarily applies to us in this day, and they don’t like what they read, or believe it is erroneous, they can simply reject it and go on with their lives. I can understand why Christians try to push their faith, they believe there are dangerous consequences for those who have not heard the gospel. But to the atheists, if there is no difference in the end result, why try to convince Christians they are wrong? It doesn’t matter what people believe in the end, does it?
On a final not, I hope you understand that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are not considered to be a Christian organization. They do not adhere to the major doctrines of Christian theology and they would object if you called them Christians. Many practices they are involved are considered to be heretical.
"Well you see, this verse is meant to be taken literally but this other one is poetic"
"How do you know the second one isn't meant to be taken literally?"
"Because it's absolute nonsense"
Whichever verse suits their wanted belief is to be taken literally, all others are to be taken poetically/metaphorically.
I read that with a Pythonesque voice.
‘What was that? Blessed are the cheesemakers? What’s so special about the cheese makers?’
“Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.”
Haha!! So true. Drives me nuts.
Simplistic thinking lke this is why I do not want to be an Atheist. Modern Atheism is Irrational thinking Masked as Rational Thinking.
@@skwills1629 Simplistic thinking is why I don't want to be a theist.
Whenever someone tries to argue creationism my first thought is always "which one?" until the mid 20th century Japanese school children were taught creationism and scriptural literalism in harmony with science; that science agreed with the Nihon Shoki, and it was literally and scientifically true that the land was created by Izanagi and Izanami stirring the chaos with a sacred spear. Shinto literalists used the exact same arguments and pseudoscience as Christian literalists do today.
Ohhh, very interesting. As a religious studies nerd, you gave me some more content to read up on.
"Whenever someone tries to argue creationism my first thought is always "which one?""
Oh, so your first thought is not if creation happened naturally or supernaturally, you being so stooo-pid decided you're smart somehow by throwing that all out because you want to know which one.
"Shinto literalists used the exact same arguments and pseudoscience as Christian literalists do today."
How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life?
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God.
So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally.
Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis.
God is the reason for us and all we have.
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2Fast2Block thank you for proving my point
So then where did all this come from? Is the universe infinite? Like is it never ending? If not what is beyond it? Are you saying matter is eternal? You never gave an alternate view in your comment as to where things came from and how nature designed consciousness for example. Or life in general as scientifically nature does not build things from simple to extremely complex in a step wise fashion that takes millions of years. It just doesn't work that way.
@@MrLaughingcorpse So while I wasn't the one who originally made the comment, I can see that their point wasn't to give an alternate explanation to why things exist as the way they are, but just that there's more than just one creation story out there. They just wanted to point out that there is an extra layer to ask ourselves why we believe what we believe.
And for the sake of conversation of alternate explanations, you may benefit from familiarizing yourself with a concept known as the anthropic principle (at the very least, know it well enough so you can know how to argue against it). To begin, I'd say that the average honest atheist would agree that the chances for life to form from nothing at any time is _incredibly_ small, and the eventual development to having an organism with consciousness would be magnitudes even smaller than that. However, even if the formation of life out of nothing would have the same chances as rolling five one million side dice all landing on a 1, and the formation of consciousness would have the same chances of rolling a 1 ten more times with those same million sided dice, consciousness would still inevitably exist somewhere via survivorship bias on a cosmic scale. With the seemingly limitless scope of the universe (or even multiple universes), we have countless stars each with planets of their own that may each be rolling these dice. One in a million of habitable planets would only be able to get one die roll right, and even less would succeed in abiogenesis. From there, millions upon millions of planets that succeed in gaining abiogenesis would not get to the point of having an organism with consciousness. But a tiny tiny number out of all the countless expanse of stars would inevitably succeed in a conscious being that would ask the question of how their consciousness existed in the first place.
Now this is where I'll reveal that I consider myself a strange mix of apatheism (as far as not caring about the argument for or against the existence of a monotheistic being) and "Christian modernist," who doesn't depend on a literal interpretation of the bible in order to find truth in them (i.e. a parallel would be not having to believe that an actual tortoise and hare literally had a race in order to believe in the concept of "slow and steady wins the race"). I don't know what your main belief system is, but something that I'm aware of in every world religion is the concept of knowing how to humble ourselves to truths that we may not like. Using the Abrahamic model, it's usually a good reminder to differentiate between what we personally want truth and God's plan to be versus truths that we can't avoid and what "fear of God" means (and to the atheists passing by, the Rosetta Stone of my apatheistic worldview sees the Abrahamic God as a representation of truth itself). Otherwise, being attached to what we _want_ to be true can be associated with our pride rather than the humility we'd get from fearing God. And personally, it took awhile for me to realize that truly fearing and beholding God meant the opposite of trying to feel important. Things like the Book of Job and Ecclesiastes should remind us that we are a tiny speck compared to God, which happens to coincide very well with the vastness of the cold, scientific universe.
When Joshua was at war, God stopped the sun on its circuit.
1. a roughly circular line, route, or movement that starts and finishes at the same place.
"I ran a circuit of the village"
Similar:
lap
turn
tour
round
circle
orbit
revolution
loop
beat
2. an established itinerary of events or venues used for a particular activity, typically involving public performance.
"the alternative cabaret circuit"
verb
move all the way around (a place or thing).
"the trains will follow the Northern line, circuiting the capital"
Anti-Christs have one hell of a time attempting to explain away how a sphere cannot be a circle and you guys gobble it up like the jokes you are. You honestly cannot even in the slightest, believe this comedic piece of a video.
@lukesutton4135 You believe atmosphere does not reach equilibrium in terms of atmospheric pressure even though we are supposedly an “open system” next to an infinite vacuum. Lol the only true fool who is gobbling lies is you. Next time you look at polaris, just remember that you think it doesn’t move because it is in the perfect position, infinite miles away, so no matter where earth is moving at incredible speeds behind the Sun (which has no comet trail that you can’t explain), Polaris never moves. Globe earthers aren’t smart enough to know how to be saved, and I doubt you could give me the Gospel of your Salvation, so I will say to you, enjoy Hell, fool :c)
Hallelujah they don't know the scriptures only those who know the scriptures know the truth.
@@RobertTHEITGamingScriptures are fairytales written by ancient men. Nothing more
Absolutely!
Isaiah 40:22: "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers"
Astronaut: "you mean... me?"
Astronauts? If you actually believe they've been past the Van Allen Belt and not simply stayed within our upper atmosphere....
The term astro-naut, as naut in nautical which is water
@@thomasjohnson9623 naut is a root word meaning travel, in which using the the context clues of the word itself, means to travel or to adventure/ move to a place via method of transportation. these quotatins taken from google search in Oxford Languages, "of or concerning sailors or navigation; maritime" what would you call aeronautics? Is a captain still a captain whether they pilot the air or sea? Another thing to ponder is the viscosity of our atmosphere within each of its levels, whether gas or liquid, there is still a similar resistance that you would get with water so are we all just swimming maybe? perhas an astronaut is still a nautical explorer in that way, but that would mean that anyone else who hasnt traveled by ocean, sea, sky, or atmosphere, would be called a terra-naut? there are many things to consider here with your logic which, I admit, I have thought previously.
Saw something some time ago by Rob Skiba, another prolific christian flat earther. Turns out the best model for the tabernacle wasnt a square but a dome shaped tent. Kind of a acknowledgement to his creation having his house shaped like his big house.
You won't see anything new from him these days...a prolific antivaxxer also, he was admitted to hospital with COVID, & died of heart failure...
the fact that this video would probably be enough to wake my brother up, but he’d never watch it :(
"the fact that this video would probably be enough to wake my brother up, but he’d never watch it"------
I do hope your brother is not involved in such a cult. Yet, atheism would not be an awakening, but rather another delusion.
@@andrewferg8737 my brother is in a cult. And I’m not an atheist. Thanks for assuming I guess
Not to mention, in comparison to being in a cult (a thing I have experienced), being an atheist is worlds better. Get off your high horse please
@@allysonbeaulieu7351 "thanks for assuming" ----
I made no assumption about you. Rather I offered sympathy toward your brother and an objective assessment regarding the content of the video. Peace be with you.
My original comment was:
"I do hope your brother is not involved in such a cult. Yet, atheism would not be an awakening, but rather another delusion."
@@andrewferg8737and why exactly is atheism a delusion in your opinion?
(I'm using the definition of atheism as follows, somebody who is not convinced of a proposition because there isn't sufficient evidence.)
25:05 I’ve lived that coin counting experience back when I was a cashier: some jerk asked to pay for his cigarettes in coins and brought out pre wrapped quarter rolls. He acted offended when I unwrapped them, accusing me of mistrust, but he packed each roll with about 40-50% washers amongst the quarters so what the hell else was I supposed to do 🙄 He had the audacity to act insulted when I unwrapped the rest, only to find the same con in the others. I really don’t get how someone can be a total pos trying to con you, but then feels they even have the right to be offended when caught or called out on being a conning pos, WITAF? At least own the L 🤷🏻♀️
But as far as the topic, yes, I love triggering christians by telling them that if they truly believe their BUY-BULL is all true 100%, then they are de facto flat earthers. What’s sad is that the majority of them are so ignorant of what’s in their own book, they can’t even bring up the few counter passages because they don’t even know they’re there 🤦🏻♀️ Even when it comes to knowing their own book, they’re still sheep who need to be led. It’s kinda sick that christians find being referred to as livestock as a term of endearment when it’s from their book. I’m so glad I’m off the plantation.
BUY-BULL🤣🤣🤣 That's awesome!!
Them trying to make you feel guilty is half the con. Honestly it's like being raised told that the legal system is about justice.-- you go to law school and find it Law is not about justice or rights or wrong. Law is about governing masses of people. It doesn't make our judicial system any worse in fact most say it's the best we've come up wuth so far. But your grandma teaching you laws and cops and judges ARE about right or wrong did you a disservice. -- remember that when teaching your own kids.
Tomorrow bayitzahav ministry will be replying to this video scripturally at 7 pm GMT UA-cam Facebook
Yet, you know it better because someone in their own existential crisis feeds your wounds? Keep drinking the poison.
You are right there. Sadly Christians cannot fight the lies because they leave their sword dull.
I mean … if watchtower had arguments as solid as this it would be a whole different ball game wouldn’t it? This man just demolished the JW approach to scriptures in 30 minutes… I’d sit through a whole convention of your stuff man keep it up.
Haha thank you.. I wish I had time to produce a full convention for you 😆
@@TheTruthHurts Speaking for myself, if you and, for instance, LIoyd Evans and a few others were able to get together and arrange a program, it would without question be the most informative assembly I've ever attended. That's one reason I'm glad we have UA-cam: We can hear and benefit from all the effort you and others put forth, along with, even more importantly, our own research. It is very much like attending the ideal assembly, albeit at our own pace. What's more, it's definitely more accurate than anything we ever heard at the Society's assemblies!
Same with the seventh day adventists, which are a sister cult of the JW’s anyway
@@thomash.schwed3662 What a fantastic idea!
@@TheTruthHurts oh man we need a convention from you! Or a collaboration with other exjw UA-camrs giving talks, would be awesome :D
As a black atheist woman living in a mostly Christian talibangelist country (Jamaica). I recently had an interesting conversation with another black Christian about slavery in the bible....exodus 21 to be exact....I'd asked her base on the fact that the bible supports slavery and our history of enslavement if she thought slavery was wrong and immoral.. she never answered. I got this blind steer 😳...I'm still waiting for an answer from her...it was a yes or no question of course and nothing. Sad🙁
Sounds like you might have gotten some wheels in her head turning. That’s good. Let her struggle with reconciling that for a bit. Encourage her to read the Bible. That’ll put her off of God lol
@@sameppink9401 i don't think she'll ever speak to me again btw..she blocked me.😂
Lisa Davis, for a long while I thought that I
was the only Jamaican Atheist, you are
The first that I have encountered online
Or in real physicality,
Like most of us I was born and indoctrinated
Into Christianity from Childhood, it is very true, during the time of Slavery, Christian Slave owners pointed to many verses from the Bible to Justify Slavery,
Not only does God Condoned Slavery in the
Bible, he encouraged it, In Luke 12:47, Jesus says servants ( Slaves) should be
Beaten with many stripes, since morphing
From faith to reason, I have discovered that
Jesus was a Literary invention by the early Christian writers. And not a real historical person.
@@rtee4086 i thought i was the only one as well....I've never met a Jamaican athiest😍😍😍😍😍
The man named Jesus almost certainly existed as a historical person. I think there are many verses in the bible that ahve lead to abolishing the form of slavery you faced. People used those scriptures to justify, but the bible also says to “Treat your slaves well” in Ephesians 6:9
Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don’t threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and he has no favourites.”
What am I saying? Do I “support slavery?” What I’m saying was that the form of “slavery” that was permitted was not what was done in practice and isnone of the reasons why it was abolished. If you take all the verses in the old and new testament within context, what the verses your referring to talk about is when someone is poor and you want to welcome them into your household to work for you and live with you. You habe to treat them fairly, the same way you would like to be treated. They become like a member of your household. But when you think ofnslavery, you think of the kind that is cruel and clearlt goes against many things that the bible says. If you want to continue this talk in abetter platform such as email or something I can find you more scripture refrences and we xan talk about them.
Don’t get into the fallacy of because the person did not have an answer for you in thag moment that means you are always right. Always be open to allow someone to bring new information to you. Bless you
Love it!
I took the "text" out of "context," and gave them the "con."
I think you have summed it up nicely.
Hanging on nothing, does not mean hang on nothing, but hang on "no thing" but on the pillars of the Earth
where those pillars
As born in "the truth" in the 4th generation ... It was very impressive your presentation
His video was a joke.
This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies.
---"What did the early church really teach?
Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth.
The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece:
“There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6
Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more."
---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination."
---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896).
"Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China."
"Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes:
“Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.”
Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
Proud to honor you for the steps you've taken in your own learning and growth, and then sharing with others. You're an honorable man.
Thus, having come to understand the unreasonableness of one delusion, one would hope that he moves forward toward a well-reasoned faith that does not stagnate in an apparent atheistic delusion.
No, he's a lying loser.
This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies.
---"What did the early church really teach?
Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth.
The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece:
“There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6
Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more."
---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination."
---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896).
"Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China."
"Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes:
“Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.”
Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
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What was your point?
@@2fast2block *My point is obvious. This video is part of a LONG PSYOP. And those whose job is to AFFIRM the 3rd phase of the PSYOP came here right on cue.*
Your “field service hair” cracks me up !
Yes, me too, every time! Lol
Lol so relatable. Coldest day in service I did. -35 celsius. My hair froze.
Something you may or may not know. The northern lights are the emerald light coming from around his thrown that Isiah speaks about. The green light comes from beneath his thrown shinning on the firmament. It's the northern lights showing his glory. His thrown sits right above the north star. It marks his location for us to see. So, they want to try and hide HIM with the ball earth. Saying he is way out in space somewhere, but he's sitting right above watching us like grasshoppers, just like the BOOK says...
What about the Southern Lights seen in Antarctica. Do you know anything about what causes them at all?
Or.... Just maybe they are the result of mass plasma ejections from our Sun. Interacting with Earths magnetic field... One reason is based in reality.. the other comes from a box of Fruit Loops.. and the ' north star'. Polaris... Is 323 Light years away( that's pretty far). That's 186,000 miles for every second in 323 years. That's a lot of seconds .
Thank you for this explanation of the Northern Lights, I just knew in my spirit that those lights were emanating from God’s throne.
There's northern and southern lights because of the suns energy interacting with earth's magnetic field, the field lines direct the particles toward the poles and the colors are different because of different atmospheric gases or layers that are effected
Yes the earth is a sphere not a pizza, deal with it
@@GinaSiskame TOO!!!❤❤❤❤
If I could give a thousand thumbs up I would. That was excellent and I learned something new about the firmament. Keep up the fantastic work Harrison.
Shame... A thousand thumbs up would really help the algorithm! Jokes aside, thank you for your kind words :)
@@TheTruthHurts I forgot to mention I loved the skits....I just smiled the whole thing way through. And..I loved your second presentation to the householder. It really made your point hit home. Loud and clear.
Just make 1000 accounts EZ lmao nah but I feel ya mang 🤙I’ll help you with a +1 in your honor
@@TheTruthHurts Hi Harrison, I am an atheist and have been corresponding for about 4 months with the JWs, after having received a letter through the post. After asking questions about why they believed the bible was true, I was pointed to biblical prophecy, and the videos on the jw.org website. Responding takes many weeks of effort as I have to research lots of sources, and as you have done look at the actual translations from the Hebrew. Your presentation is very clear and well presented, and must take a lot of time researching and editing. I’ll put a link to this video in my next correspondence with them and hopefully it will be watched.
Rachel exjw what exactly did you learn about the firmament? The gentleman is teaching something that the bible does not even make the minutest attempt to teach. In these modern days, all one has to do is take an AIRPLANE trip from San Francisco to Delaware! and if you still think the world is flat, dig your eyes out!!! Because you don't need them to be refuting what you believe.
Round Earth idea was discovered in ancient Egypt. Cosmos, epic astronomy TV -series/book 1980 by atheist Carl Sagan described how scientist Eratosthenes discovered the idea from shadows at midsummer. An early travel book (scroll) in the Library of Alexandria taught him vertical poles have no shadows at midsummer in South Egypt, where it's within the tropics. But in Alexandria, in north Egypt, he could see they have shadows. Deduced round Earth to explain that.
So the idea was known in OT times: but did not stop parts of the OT saying the Earth is rooted in pillars, + the Gospels that Satan showed Jesus all the world"s kingdoms from one high mountain.
Alexzander the Great had his whole arm line up on the coast line between Turkey and Egypt and play " telephone " as they relay a scroll up the coast line race a mail horse, even the Romans did that. They had enough people line up to see the curve of the Earth, other than the soldiers being of different heights their spears & shields were of the same regulation length & size. Instead of using a plastic cup & kite string to make a house telephone, the Romans had a copper sheet cup and wire play testing the " phone." Israel coast line had a lot of science moving up and down the area.
Don't forget it was the " Romans " who put out the legal Catholic bible after nearly fifth teen years of rewriting and debating it.
This is a great topic to bring up. There are many, including atheists, who say that the bible actually teaches the earth is round. People really need to understand the fallacy of this belief.
The text actually isn't even about The Planet Earth though, and the Smart Atheists who Know the Truth that The Bible says The Earth is Flat tend to ignore that it also says The Ocean is separate from the Planet earth... in Reality, the Models used by Atheists such as Yourself that show "Biblical Cosmology" say The ocean forms a Ring around the land on Earth.
But the Texts are clear, the Ocean is not part of "The Earth".
By the way, The Word in Hebrew is Erets. It means Land. Not Planet.
The Bible doesn't teach a flat earth, at all. .
@@craigcrawford6595 Galileo was imprisoned for the accusation "The earth revolves around the sun" by the Catholic church for blasphemy. As his findings and publication contradicted the scripture. They made him renounce his book or they would behead him. So they took their false scripture very seriously.
Galileo explained to the church that his publication was simply for entertainment purposes and publicly stated this to avoid persecution.
1992: Catholic Church apologizes to Galileo, who died in 1642 In 1610, Century Italian astronomer/mathematician/inventor Galileo Galilei used a a telescope he built to observe the solar system, and deduced that the planets orbit the sun, not the earth. This contradicted Church teachings, and some of the clergy accused Galileo of heresy.
please explain how your comment holds truth?
Then why do astronauts say that the earth is round?
@@Dana5775 wow, talk about using diversion on what this loser claimed about how much the flat earth was believed.
This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies.
---"What did the early church really teach?
Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth.
The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece:
“There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6
Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more."
---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination."
---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896).
"Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China."
"Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes:
“Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.”
Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
Idk what I just watched. And after reading the comments section I’m almost questioning myself if I entered some sort of portal. What exactly is this about? Is it a satire? Expose? Debunking science? Religion? Pitting science vs religion? Bible vs religion? Science vs science? Am I the only one who’s confused?
Its not confusing at all. You simply need to watch the whole thing. At the end he denies God and FE.
Day 2
- Gen 1:6-8
o Firmament H07549 (raqiya`) =
extended surface (solid), expanse, firmament
expanse (flat as base, support)
firmament (of vault of heaven supporting waters above)
considered by Hebrews as solid and supporting 'waters' above
o Psalm 148:4 **After the flood**
Not a canopy that went away after the flood
o God spent a whole day creating the Firmament and vertically separating waters
o Ezekiel 1:22-26
A likeness of the firmament is used to describe a crystal like (hard) dome
Below the firmament - Wings
Above the firmament - Voice, throne, appearance of a man
o Daniel 12:3 Firmament shines bright
o Job 37:18 “Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass”
o Size = Job 38:18
o Psalms 104:2 stretchest out the heavens like a curtain
o Job 38:8 Shut doors to stop the water falling (flood)
o Isaiah 40:22 stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in
You're only confused because he's attempting to be confusing, acting as if he were just a confused believer who's now found enlightenment, when in reality his own views of God are confused and restricted by his own limited imagination.
@@nelnotheamoeba9221 Ditto
You’re not the only one ..this is verbal masturbation for only a few to partake in
What is asserted without proof can be denied without proof. Thank you for your insight that illuminates religious obscurantism.
@@hangedman821 Your problem there is that you don't know what 'down' means. What magic makes water fall to the ground in the first place? Does it like the ground and want to be friends with it?
Some try to say 'relative density' which is amusing because if that were the reason water would fall up to where the density is lower still.
Once you understand that it's moving towards a large mass because of gravity then there is no objection to water on a sphere. Its understanding that first part which leaves FEs helpless and lost.
@@hangedman821 The ancient Greeks proved the Earth is a sphere. All it takes is a stick, the ability to travel north or south, and high school level math. The difference in the sun's position based on distance from the equator is a result of the earth's curvature. From a tall building or ship you can physically see that curvature.
If you shoot a bullet a far enough distance you have to compensate for the curvature. Snipers require a globe earth to be true in order to be accurate beyond half a mile.
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Does anyone remember the explanation given for the flood waters in Aid for Bible Study? That's what I used during my Pioneer days.
@kylekataryn - I will, thanks.
YES this is the exact topic I was waiting for a video on. This is one of the main points I would bring up to a JW when the topic of the, scientific accuracy of the bible, came up. Still hilarious to me how one of the basis for their beliefs is just mistranslated and misinterpreted.
And once again, an amazing video. Nice flow and structure. You can definitely tell when someone like you does their research and puts lots of effort into their videos. Thank you
Thank you for your feedback and for your appreciation of the time I devote to producing each video. 👍🏻
"it's Photoshop but it has to be" ~ NASA on every image of the globe earth 👉🌍. NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive". Water always finds it's ways flat and level, you have never seen it bend to match what is underneath it with your own two natural eyes or stick to balls, but all you need to do is run a bathtub to see how enclosed flat earth cosmology works and is true. Wake up!!
@@mangakatanaka3067 Nasa is an acronym (National Aeronautics and space Administration.). Judging by your ignorant statement your very uneducated.
Water seeks level as do all fluids because of earths gravity.
Your perspective regarding water bending around a ball in the bathtub is incredibly silly as the balls mass is not capable of over coming the vast gravity of the earth so instead of clinging to the gravity of the balls mass it is over powered by the massive pull from the center of the earth ( billions of times more mass then your ball ).
However if that ball were in a zero gravity field such as in space the water may in-fact cling to the ball provided no other forces are stronger then the balls mass (centrifugal force from the space craft spinning itself would be the predominant force even in the low gravity field) If the ball is hollow it may have far less mass then the water your using to marry with the ball . keep in mind that earths gravity extends far into space and has an effect on other planetary bodies, so even in space there is a multitude of gravitational forces at play with any energy or mass within its range.
fluids are capable of taking on any shape outside of gravitational force BECAUSE IT IS FLUID IT NEED NOT "BEND" BUT ARANGE ITS MOLECULAR STRUCTURE IN INFINITE WAYS WITH ITS INDIVIDUAL PARTICULATES.
I can only hope this is a joke or a game. It is hard to imagine how anyone in post modern society could be so ignorant to the obvious nature of elements and the forces they embody innately.
These are long established facts and are self evident
In the beginning was the word and the word became flesh. Jesus is God!
This is the Truth and sadly the likes bare out the fact that 2000 years later hardly anyone wants to hear this
If you look back you'll find that hardly anyone wanted to hear this 2000 years ago either
Amen
@@EzaleaGravesI mean, Jesus Christ did draw in quite a few large crowds. He’s the most famous man to ever exist for a reason.
The maker of this here videos science is worldly wisdom and if he would engage in what the apostle Paul commands. "prove all things" he would easily see why the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. Space is fake and you can prove it in a myriad of ways! Repeatable observations is real science. Since the total solar eclipse is the sign of Jonah. Jesus said that sign would be the only one given from heaven in matthew chapter 16. If I'm wrong, that sign will align with mans science. Repeatable observation of the Oct. 2023 annular eclipse and April 2024 total solar eclipse had something very special in common. THE SUN HAD SPOTS. When you compare video of the eclipses from multiple locations matching up the times, you will see the spots rotated with the dark bite on the face of the sun. I wrote it that way because it wasn't the moon. Those repeatable observations proves there is no parallax between the two objects. If you want to imagine the darkened area on the face of the sun was due to what science claims is the moon. You must also believe there is a 400 times distance between the moon and sun and therefore we shouldn't have seen the spots rotate in sync with the moon but they did! Therefore the lack of parallax means the model of the moon being 400 times closer to us is a lie! Rendering mans scientific wisdom, ignorance like the bible says!
I absolutely love your new format. Totally different from other exJW UA-camrs. Refreshing!
I also love how you treated this subject, also one of those that woke me up.
@@hangedman821
What? Are you joking? Gravity is a thing, regardless.
He treated this subject with lies.
This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies.
---"What did the early church really teach?
Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth.
The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece:
“There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6
Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more."
---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination."
---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896).
"Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China."
"Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes:
“Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.”
Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
@@2fast2block cope harder
The most concise, conclusive, entertaining and expertly summarised video on this topic I have ever seen.
"I thought Thursday was long" 😂
Excellent
I like that it's not a rant but evidence based. I like too that it is evidence based in a way accessible for most of us.
I laughed hard at “I thought Thursday was long” too! I wish anyone searching for clarity in their beliefs runs across these videos.
I cracked up at that line too lol
"it's Photoshop but it has to be" ~ NASA on every image of the globe earth 👉🌍. NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive". Water always finds it's ways flat and level, you have never seen it bend to match what is underneath it with your own two natural eyes or stick to balls, but all you need to do is run a bathtub to see how enclosed flat earth cosmology works and is true. Wake up!
*Gallileo* disproved the bible author's viewpoint of *Geocentricity* in 1633, yet present day bible believers "read right over" Joshua 10:12-13, where Joshua commanded BOTH the Sun ITSELF, _and_ the Moon to stand still, NOT the Earth
-- this proves that the bible authors themselves believed that the Sun was in motion over the Earth, and that it could be magically stopped, dead in the sky, simply by one man's prayer to Yahweh !
WOW ! How supernaturally inspired !
@Stirgid Lanathiel The bible author's viewpoint was identical to the Sumero Babylonian cosmology, that of a Sun that traveled in motion over the Earth, and was controlled by Yahweh/Jesus in real time
-- Job 9:7 describes Yahweh's power:
"Which commands the Sun, and it rises not"
This appears as "metaphorical" to 21st Century readers, yet was describing the literal creation, as they, and other ancient Near Eastern nations falsely believed.
-- Isaiah 38:7-8 describes a prophetic sign regarding King Hezekiah's recovery from near death, by reversing the Sun's ( not it's shadow ) movement backward by 10°
7) " And this shall be a sign unto you from the LORD..."
8) " Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sundial of Ahaz, ten degrees _backward_ . So, the Sun [ ITSELF, not it's shadow ] returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down "
This passage reveals that the bible authors believed that the Sun was an independent heavenly body, that was in real motion over the Earth, and which could be magically reversed by Yahweh/Jesus.
Amos 8:9 is a prophecy of judgement against Israel that indicates that the Sun's movement could be magically accelerated "to go down at noon":
" And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that I will cause the Sun [ ITSELF ] to go down at noon, and I will darken the Earth in the clear day "
Had the bible authors been supernaturally inspired by an all powerful and all knowing deity, they wouldn't have written a false cosmology as parts of supposed prophecies.
To your point, Erathothenes, in 285 BCE, used the measurements of the shadows of obelisks, done at the same time, in different locations, and used a series of runners to gather the information ; subsequently, he used simple Geometry to calculate the Earth's circumference to within 200 miles.
Yet Greek scientists and philosophers never interacted with the commoners, let alone other nations, and since there was no mass communication or universal education, this concept never reached many people.
Most of the books of the Old Testament were written after the Babylonian exile, and never had the benefit of the science of the Greeks.
All the poor bible writers had was " Divine Inspiration "
L O L !
@@dvonzosch461 All ancient greeks had was nonsense! Whats your point?
@@danielanderson6933 Had the bible authors been supernaturally inspired by an all powerful and all knowing deity, they would have described the universe truthfully
The Sun doesn't travel in motion over the Earth in the same way as the Moon does
Joshua never commanded the Earth to stop as it spins at 1000 mph at the Equator and stopping the Earth would have projected the ocean waters over the Continents, which never happened
@@danielanderson6933 The Greeks used simple Geometry and the measurements of the shadows of poles in different locations to discover the shape of the Earth
Had the bible authors been " Divinely Inspired " they would have described the universe truthfully
@@dvonzosch461 You dont believe in fallen angels or giants. Thats the truth!
note the narrative context control you tube does
I spent so much time in the meetings reading footnotes and cross checking the Index of the NWToHS instead of listening to the talks. I was constantly saying to myself “wait didn’t we read something completely contrary to these verses a few weeks ago?” “I don’t know how I could be the only one seeing this!”
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There’s many layers to each verse, and much of it is separated by language barriers via translation. Very very little of the Bible is meant to be taken literally 1:1. These charlatans find a single aspect of a verse that may or may not even be true and think they’re something special, but almost every time they twist their interpretations to justify their twisted ideology. Those people aren’t Christian’s. Every ancient religious text is proof of the same God for those who have eyes to see the connections. Read your Bible first through an astrological lens, then read it through a technological lens as if it’s a child describing technology for the first time, then read it through a spiritual lens, etc. the literal lens should be the last thing you read it through, after you get what it actually is. Hint: no organized religion gets it
Compare to the vedas, the Norse mythos, oral histories of indigenous tribes, they’re all describing the same things in different ways.
@@BigTrees4ever Yes , they all had a flat earth cosmology.
WOW! This is your best video yet! You are becoming one of my favorite youtubers on this subject. Really cuts through any doubt I had about leaving. Please do more videos like this and use the Hebrew/ Greek / Aramaic original meanings. I am especially interested in this. Almost every time I have looked up any quotes they are usually incorrect. Very informative but be careful you will have the flat earthers following you and using this video as proof the earth is flat. People will believe what they want to believe.
No Christian in Fundamentalist Churches believes the Earth is Flat. There might be a keyboard warrior somewhere but we 99% believe the earth is round. I don't know about JWs because i think they are a cult but in terms of mainstream christianity its round
Dude you should have taught my history class. So eloquent and coherent.
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Thanks for taking the time to share. Amazing content.
Your wisdom will always continue to grow because of your good work. All your videos are factual and concise. As a former Jehovah's witnesses, I can totally relate properly. Thanks for sharing this great piece.
You're too kind... Thank you! :)
Isn't it amazing that the tilt of the earth is 90°-23.4°, or 66.6°?! And that the Earth is traveling around the Sun at 66,600 mph? How awesome is that?
NASA = Satan-t
Exactly NASA the deceivers
You might be out by about 2500 mph...The fig is probably: 67,000 miles per hour (107,000 kilometers per hour).
But I agree with you the geometry of the earth is full of remarkable numbers and it all points to a remarkable creator.
Ooh Dam, my parents still believe God stopped the Sun back there in Joshua. It's so painful to see this for years and They are praying for me to
Come back to the Lurd
I'm afraid to tell my parents that I don't believe this religious B.S. anymore. They still think I'm a believer. UGH!!
Would it have made any sense to the people back then if he had said he stopped the earth?
Don’t we even now in this day say, “the sun rises at 6:30am today”?
And calling Lord Lurd proves Your Superor Intellect.
I pray baby Jebus will save you from your wicked ways. Lurd have mercy on your sole!!!
@@tercerocastero Jesus won’t be a baby when you are standing before him and giving an account for your life. Correct that, you’ll be kneeling.
Amazing research and presentation on this one, I hope one day more members of my JW family can see this and other videos to realize they've been mislead by ancient lies and dogma.
Harrison, you really caught them *flat* footed and hit that *ball* out of the park for 6!
Again respectfully interlectual, not at all preachy, informative & incredibly educational, u should be on TV mate 💯
I'm so glad you liked it! Ahh you're too kind... :)
He reminds me of Carl Sagan
@@TheTruthHurts you're so bad, you can't even see what a loser you are.
This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies.
---"What did the early church really teach?
Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth.
The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece:
“There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6
Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more."
---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination."
---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896).
"Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China."
"Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes:
“Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.”
Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
"I thought Thursday was long" - brilliant!
I really love the way you speak on these matters, openly, clearly and eloquently and all done with an amazing patience and clarity that ive not found in other videos of this nature
subscribed for life bro
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Sooooooo... according to the Insight book, during the creative days, God knew he was going to flood the earth in the future and was saving the water above the firmament for that occasion? 🤔
In the old days, they said the “water canopy enveloping the earth” served as a blanket to keep the earth in a greenhouse condition. When the canopy collapsed due to sin and the earth drowned, presto, no more paradise. Along with this teaching, they said that’s why carbon dating was unreliable because the suns radiation became stronger also causing mans lifespan to shorten. At the time I thought it made perfect sense.
@@catmeow333 that's how I remember it too. And that's also why there's rainbows 🌈 now and God can never use water to destroy us again...no more canopy.
He also created Satan knowing that he would cause the fall of man. I'm still trying to find a theist that can answer that one.
@@jim.h Satan was an angel from a high hierarchy in Heaven, and he envied God, and wanted to be God. So the Lord punished him. God didn't created evil. Evil is only the lack of God. Not an opposite force! So simple your smart head. Go read the Bible and accept Jesus as your only Savior! You need to repent
@@lyrafilhodeadao6874 I spent most of my childhood/early adulthood in the church . I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior when I was 12. We were taught that the omniscient God created EVERYTHING, including all the angels of Heaven. You still haven't answered the question. If God is truly omniscient, then why did he create Satan? That's just one of the many, many questions I have about the bible. And let's not get started about God condoning slavery in the bible.
Dude have you been working out!? Look at those veins popping on your biceps. Keep up the great work!
Would be great to see you in a Boxing 🥊 match proving what you are made of as you handle yourself in a hard fight. What about it?
Me vs You then James in a charity boxing match. All funds raised go to the worldwide work 👊🏼
@@TheTruthHurts Can I just make a donation? I am too old to do anything else?
They were somewhat distracting. LOL!!!
@@jamesbovington8218 😂😂
Growing up in a super conservative southern baptist household...even with mormon relatives...I was always taught that their beliefs were super strange and crazy compared to the ones I was brought up with. It was only after becoming and atheist and no longer hating myself for who I was that finally realized that all the 'crazy stuff' mormons and JWs beloved....were what I had been taught too. Just wish that more people could see that.
I Know an Atheist who speaks Like Yo do in Real Life whom I also Knew growing up. He also says When he was a Christian He Hated Himself. But, He didn't. Nor does Christianity teach Yo to Hate Yourself.
The Atheistic Not-A-Religion has made it Dogma that Christianity teaches us to Hate ourselves, but it gee Old when You Know its not True.
"it's Photoshop but it has to be" ~ NASA on every image of the globe earth 👉🌍. NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive". Water always finds it's ways flat and level, you have never seen it bend to match what is underneath it with your own two natural eyes or stick to balls, but all you need to do is run a bathtub to see how enclosed flat earth cosmology works and is true. Don't be a sheep following supposed "experts" and the religion of Scientism which isn't even real science because it can't even objectively prove its claim's. Don't be decieved like the whole world.
@@mangakatanaka3067 lol
@@mangakatanaka3067 I guess you've never been to an oceam coast or even at a Lake more than a mile wide. There you could see the effects of the curvation. Where do you live? In a prairie plains or in a mountain valley?
@@shapeshifter1211 he probably lives a windowless shed.
This truly deserves 100x the views. You opened this ex-Christian's eyes to see how the Bible authors undeniably thought the earth was flat. Thank you for your work.
The Earth ------ spherical.
If you read the Bible you will find it describes the earth as round
@@Cinnamonrolls50 Yes ------ right. Correct. For ------ myself I have always believed the Earth was round [spherical.]
Not ------ flat.
The Bible authors never taught the Earth was flat.
It has been known for 2,700 years that the Earth was spherical [round.] The Flat Earth Movement is a Movement of morons [fools] who deny the evidence of both science and technology.
Human beings have been travelling into space since the 60s and have seen the Earth from outside the atmosphere. To at no point do they describe the Earth as some flat plane. They seeing the Earth as some oblate spheroid.
To even from 60 miles ------ let alone 260 ------ miles ------ the curvature of the Earth is evident. The International Space Station orbits the Earth at 245-260 miles.
To at no point do astronauts describe the Earth as some flat pancake!! The curvature of the Earth is evident even at 20 miles.
And that's ------ high. 60 ------ miles ------ the beginning of space. (62 ------ miles.) To even at 10 miles (52,800 feet) the curve of the Earth as being evident. Though you have to be very high to see the curve of the Earth.
Many ------ MANY ------ thousands of feet.
From our ------ location ------ the surface ------ the Earth appears ------ to be flat. To because of the Immense Size of the Earth to because "we" are so tiny on the Earth.
Utterly ------ insignificant.
But ------ you have to go many thousands of feet to get high enough above the Earth to to see that it is spherical.
Satellites ------ in orbit above the Earth have in fact photographed the Earth from space ------ to from 100 to in fact ------ 22,500 miles (geostationary ------ orbit) to at no point do satellites show the Earth is flat. Satellites have both filmed and photographed our Earth.
To including ------ weather satellites.
To ------ all Flat Earthers ------ go enter yourselves/place yourselves into some mental institution.
Your ------ mentally ill.
@@maxamahnken7325 delusional
Wow... You're really good at explaining complex things and making them sound not so complicated. So glad you woke up and joined the world. 👍😊
No, you joined with this loser.
This guy is a loser through and through. You can look up that no big group years ago believed in the flat earth. It's losers like this joke who loves spreading lies.
---"What did the early church really teach?
Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell (1934-) thoroughly debunked the flat earth myth over 20 years ago in his definitive study Inventing the Flat Earth.
The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) favourably reviewed this masterpiece:
“There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”6
Russell showed that flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 - c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220-1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301-1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320-1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195-c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more."
---"The much-parroted flat-earth myth about him comes not from history but from the tales of Washington Irving (1783-1859), The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828). Irving was probably America’s first genuine best-selling writer, but he admitted that he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.” Flat-earth belief was certainly a figment of his imagination."
---"It was bad enough that this myth entered the public perception thanks to Irving’s wide readership. But it became worse when it acquired the veneer of scholarship, so it could be used as a club with which to bash Christianity. The main propagandists for this cause were the notorious 19th century anti-Christian bigots John William Draper (1811-1882) and Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918). Draper, a fine chemist and photographer-first president of the American Chemical Society-but a lousy historian, wrote History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874) as a poorly informed polemic against the Church. White was a disgruntled ex-Episcopalian and the founder of Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States. He also published the two-volume work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896).
"Both authors relied heavily on the work of Cosmas, portraying his flat-earth teaching as typical rather than the almost forgotten, extreme minority view that it was. And they are the ones most responsible for the discredited ‘conflict thesis’ between Christianity and science, instead of the real history that the Christian world-view was responsible for science in the first place, while it was still-born in other places like ancient Greece and China."
"Colin Archibald Russell (1928-2013), Emeritus Professor of History of Science and Technology at the Open University, writes:
“Draper takes such liberty with history, perpetuating legends as fact that he is rightly avoided today in serious historical study. The same is nearly as true of White, though his prominent apparatus of prolific footnotes may create a misleading impression of meticulous scholarship.”
Both J.B. Russell and Gould argue that Draper and White had an agenda to discredit Christians who opposed the then-new theories of Darwin as ‘flat earthers’. Nothing much has changed!
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I enjoyed your talk Brother, it was really faith shattering.
You must have an exceptionally weak faith
@@sofachrome and rightly so, at least if that faith is in such primitive fairy tales.
@@zbnmth wow we got a smart ass atheist who knows it all and can destroy any religion in a matter of nanoseconds guys and girls!!! get off from your high horse man. pRiMiTiVe FaIrY tAlEs. your annoying and not helping your cause.
@@sofachrome depends what kind of faith. yeah jehovas witnesses tend to have a weak faith. theres too many snobby atheists that think as if shattereing faiths is a good thing. haha if its by repulsive violence or nonsense words like faith shattering yes sure. it is good that hes out of the JW church though now to become a better Christian JW is a different denomination. that doesnt mean the whole of christianity is AH ITS ALL WRONG! too many high horses I see :/
@@IsraelCountryCube I don't think it's all wrong. (love thy neighbor as thyself? Kinda cool) But faith is something of a major bummer in my experience, leading to false hope. Please don't resort to name-calling if I have just never been convinced of the stories to be anything more than fairy tales. Fairy tales have their use, but not as a basis for reality, which is what faith implies. Pragmatically interpretated, just like the Grimm-stories, they are useful in life. But I have zero faith in the Grimm stories as a descriptor of the world's factual description and history.
Harrison with another ROCK SOLID video. You could release a video everyday, and I wouldn't miss a single one!
When you mentioned "blasphemy", it occurred to me that any religion that uses the terms "heresy" or "blasphemy", you should turn around and run in the opposite direction. Those terms were created to strike fear into people and keep people from thinking. Love your videos dude. Keep on thinking!
blasphemy law was removed from the UK
you made that up. You have no idea who created those terms, and no idea what their motivation was. You just made it up.
@@davidpelto8824 theres no 100% answer of its intention, but any god that would consider you evil and blasphemous for just questioning things is definitely using fear to control you
@@davidpelto8824 the funny thing is, those terms are not found in Buddhism or Taoism. Those two religions encourage their followers to question everything that you are taught.
@@davidpelto8824 and I never said who created those terms, but Christianity, Islam and Judaism use them to keep people under their control.
Harrison, this was phenomenal. You are so good at putting complex concepts into simple terms. I'm so glad you got out.
That's so kind of you to say, thank you. I really appreciate that. 😊
@@TheTruthHurts "complex concepts into simple terms"------
Perhaps you are giving simplistic explanations for complex concepts.
Lmao Wrong!
Yay!!! I am sooooo stoked to see you've made another video!!! Watching now ❤❤❤
This was phenomenally well done.
You're channel's approach of using the same teaching techniques as WBTS is executed so well.
I really appreciate the effort you put in to these.
Thanks for your feedback. I'm really glad you like my approach :)
@@TheTruthHurtsI'm a Christian who accepts that the Bible has a flat Earth while accepting a globe Earth
@@austinapologetics2023 how do you accept both positions ??
@@mattgreen3011 because the Bible isn't a science book. God could have given the Israelites modern scientific knowledge but that would have confused them and resulted in Israel missing any greater message at play. For example, the flood. God could have told the Israelites that technically there are other continents and lands they haven't discovered that will later be called North America, South America, Australia, Antarctica, various islands, and more land area within Asia, Africa and Europe. But you can easily see how this would have blown the mind of an ancient Israelite and any meaning regarding the flood story would have been overlooked. I see the flat earth that way. When God gave Moses the 10 commandments he could have given him a lecture on heliocentrism and gravity, but that was never the point.
@@mattgreen3011 Ben Stanhope is a Christian Old Testament scholar who has some great material on this kind of stuff. He has a UA-cam channel and an amazing book "Misinterpreting Genesis".
I like how he goes ' i'll work with your logic ' and proves you wrong, and then ends with 'but it was a logical fallacy in the first place'
"When I was only giving Text out of Context, I was only giving Con" Love it.
Yes we did a time traveling debate in school where we could only use the Bible as a reference to prove the earth was round. We had to concur, according to the Bible, it’s flat!
Try reading more than one version...
Isaiah 40:22
Aramaic Bible in Plain English:
And him who sits on the SPHERE of The Earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretched out the Heavens like a vaulted bowl, and stretched them out as a tent for a dwelling
Peshitta Holy Bible Translated:
And him who sits on the SPHERE of The Earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretched out the Heavens like a vaulted bowl, and stretched them out as a tent for a dwelling
The Message
21-24 Have you not been paying attention?
Have you not been listening?
Haven’t you heard these stories all your life?
Don’t you understand the foundation of all things?
God sits high above the ROUND BALL OF EARTH.
Proverbs 8:27
New International Version
I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the HORIZON on the face of the deep,
King James Bible
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a COMPASS upon the face of the depth:
New King James Version
When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a CIRCLE on the face of the deep,
Job 26:10
New Living Translation
He created the HORIZON when he separated the waters; he set the boundary between day and night.
King James Bible
He hath COMPASSED the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
English Standard Version
He has inscribed a CIRCLE on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness.
1. There is no horizon on a flat endless plane.
2. Horizons only exist on curved surfaces.
3. The only way to calculate the distance to the horizon on Earth is to use the CURVATURE formula.
4. There is no mathematical formula for calculating distance to the horizon on a flat plane.
5. The terms circle, compass and horizon all apply to a three-dimensional object.
6. There is no such thing as a circle in 3D.
7. A compass is used on a sphere to calculate angels and distances.
8. A sphere is a 3D circle.
@@tjjones621 but the Earth is not endless it stops at the ice ring, where the boundaries of the firmament begin. Also I cannot see the word sphere in my Bible I see circle...a dinner plate or a pizza is circle also flat.
OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS TALKING ABOUT THE FIRMAMENT
docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gignFwc3WB3ynK7NVKADaE1i06MlS1XvMXdvfo6o0CU/edit?usp=sharing
HERE IS WHAT STARS REALLY LOOK LIKE UP CLOSE
ua-cam.com/video/hdNFo5eWf9g/v-deo.html
WATER RIPPLES SPREADS ACROSS THE FIRMAMENT AFTER ROCKET HITS IT
ua-cam.com/video/wbzSEln4aoM/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/24h_ffcfmEw/v-deo.html
WATER RIPPLES TRAVELS ACROSS JUPITER
ua-cam.com/video/4g67jvve2ZM/v-deo.html
SCIENTISTS CAPTURE FIRMAMENT ON VIDEO (FIXED AUDIO VERSION)
ua-cam.com/video/hvJtQUu8--I/v-deo.html
THE SUN AMIDST THE CLOUDS!
ua-cam.com/video/56OIbwPtsRU/v-deo.html
THE SUN INSIDE THE HORIZON!
ua-cam.com/video/XQKS0kvTWzQ/v-deo.html
www.whale.to/c/sun_flat_earth.html
@@tjjones621 first off the bible wasnt writen in english
Secondly it doesnt say sphere it says circle
Which yall interpreted as sphere to suit scientific discoveries
@@rickojay7536 Ok... circle it is... Let's define the terms for what they are. A sphere is a three dimensional shape. A circle is a two dimensional shape. There is no such thing as a "circle" in reality, only circular 3D objects.
Have I made any errors so far?
Therefore, "looking down upon the circle of Earth" can mean both a flat disk or a ball shape, or even a ring shape like a donut or hoola hoop. Reality helps us understand the correct interpretation. Without considering the reality God created, your understanding will be thwarted and reading all Scripture literally is a roadblock that opens the door for the influence of the enemy.
Think about looking up at the Moon and saying, "As I looked up at the circle of the Moon, I was astounded by the level of God's love for us." That does not make the Moon a flat disk.
@@rickojay7536 PS... you and I use the exact same map of Earth and I don't even know where you live....
I've heard this all over the internet, but one of the main reasons people have left faith was that they actually read the whole Bible.
People leave the faith because they believe the lies on page 2: "did God really say?", and "you will be like God knowing good from evil." ;) Thats about all the guy in the video talks about. People have created their own gods, notice people say, "my god wouldn't ...", and they call their god funny names like evolution. -Bob
@@kristianderson6725 People leave religion when they value actual truth more. Evolution is not a god, its a natural process.
I’ve read it cover-to-cover multiple times. I still believe, despite readily admitting that the ancient Israelites had no concept of modern science, that things like evolution happened, and that parts of the old historical records are… flawed.
@@logicisuseful Do you know what is your reason for that?
@@adamkurt471 yep, I do. It’s a long and complicated answer. The short(er) version of what I feel like saying right now, though, is that there’s nothing in the Bible that actually requires the “doctrine” of inerrancy (it’s a position that a lot of people take based on a certain brand of “logic,” but all the Bible actually requires is that it be divinely inspired and “useful”), and, without that doctrine, there’s no reason to assume that the older “history” can’t be at least somewhat legendary and the assumed cosmology suspect (most of the biblical references to ANE cosmology are poetic, and frequently hyperbole) while the newer history remains essentially reliable (if subject to the same minor discrepancies as any account of an ancient historical incident). Assuming a creator of the universe (and there’s no particular reason not to, regardless of what you think of ANE cosmology), there’s no reason they couldn’t have a personality and interact with some of their creations in some pretty spectacular ways (put another way, the argument that miracle stories are unreliable because miracles can’t happen starts with a baseless assumption), nor is there any particular reason to think they couldn’t accommodate those creations’ oddities a bit in their interactions while nudging towards greater enlightenment (ie, the argument that Yahweh doesn’t exist because he didn’t immediately ban slavery relies on some baseless assumptions). I find that belief or disbelief comes down to experience and assumptions, rather than anything provable by scientific experimentation.
I love listening to this man. This is my style of Bible study.
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Way to represent! ❤💪👌 You've got serious speaking skills Harrison. Please keep it up.
You're too kind! Thank you my friend. I will keep going for sure :)
I've enjoyed all your content, but this may be my favorite of your presentations (so far)! You've laid out your argument beautifully and taught me quite a lot-- it's been years since I've read the entire Bible and I was viewing many of the passages you spoke about as metaphors and poetry. Maybe one day I'll read it through completely again; if I do, I'll have a more complete understanding because of you.
On another note, have you ever considered opening a PayPal, Ko-fi, or similar account? I appreciate your work and would like to make a one time payment to support your channel.
Thank you for the very kind feedback. It's great to know that this video was your favorite so far!
Thanks to your comment I have just set up a PayPal account where ones can contribute. Thanks so much for wanting to support my channel. I hope it works! paypal.me/harrisoncother
@@TheTruthHurts Thanks! I'm glad to see you updated your videos' descriptions, but make sure you add the link to your YT About section and to your other social media accounts. It never hurts to mention it!
@@MM-jf1me Good point. I'm on it!
Thank you for another great video !
The King James Bible that you quoted in your video, when you were referencing the "firmament", contains a marginal note in the first edition copies printed by the King's printer in 1611. It says that the Hebrew says "expansion" where the word "firmament" appears. The Geneva Bible of 1560 also contains a note stating the same. These translators from over 400 years ago don't agree that the "raqia" means something solid. William Tyndale writing 500 years ago defined the raqia simply as "sky". No mention of anything solid. And between Tyndale, KJV, and Geneva translators, we are talking about the people who are most responsible for establishing the text of the scripture in English. Maybe it would be helpful to include these sorts of notes so that the translators and their work is not misrepresented.
I get it that there’s a lot to deconstruct coming from JW. But I don’t get why, with the outspoken types, it always seems to come down to guys wanting to stick their junk in another guys trunk, and the Bible is bad because it is disapproved.
The word Raqia means solid and firm. The Greek translation chose Stereoma which also means solid. The practice of claiming many scriptures are allegory started with Augustine. Some of his heresy continued into the Middle Ages. The Latin vulgate translated by Jerome correctly chose firmamentum which is where firmament comes from. Any attempt to say the firmament is air, atmosphere or an expanse is an incorrect translation and an attempt to obscure the true scriptural context.
@@David-lq4tq God defined what the raqia was in Genesis 1:8, He said it is heaven. And the scripture states that the birds fly in it, and the sun, moon, and stars are in the heavens.
The Geneva, and KJV translators defined the word raqia for us in 1560 and 1611. They don't agree with you, and I'm unaware of any major Bible translators of the last 500 years who agree with you. William Tyndale also defined firmament, and he also did not agree with you, and he defined it 500 years ago.
The Septuagint is a translation and is not the original. I don't have a reason to hold to the Latin, or Greek, over the Hebrew, and the scholars who have weighed in on this over the last 500 years.
@@hayfieldhermit9657 I’m not concerned with anyone agreeing with me, the Bible clearly teaches the firmament is solid and hold back water. Look at every verse regarding biblical cosmology and look up the Hebrew words. You will see I am speaking truth.
@@David-lq4tq God called the raqia, heaven. I do not believe that the heavens above are shell over us.
"We've all been there, we're leading Israeli army on a relentless massacre [...]" Man, that is way too relatable.
Hey I came from Mythvision Podcast. Love your contents! Done subscribed. 👍
The Flat Earth doctrine is what woke me up from my JW indoctrination. Pastor Dean Odle has wonderful videos out there!
Definitely one of the best videos I have ever seen. Thanks for all the effort, work and time you put in these videos.
thank you for telling everyone that 1.3M earths would fit into the sun !!
i am so tired of people saying that the sun would fit 1M earths into it.
20,000 bonus points awarded to "The Truth Hurts"
Its just too damn bad that the minds of the many are only capable of thinking & living in 1D because this video is an absolute treasure trove of open minded comprehension of these hidden in plain sight iconic comments & all of humanity deserves to hear these words . admitting being wrong is hard especially on this type of scale & I am impressed with how well you explained all this in such a way that Uum I dunno like I fully understood it before i realized hey I understood it lol. (I know what I'm trying to say here) thank you for this video, I hope billions of people sew this
This is exactly how I feel every time I try to envision a tesseract. I should be able to get it and my ape brain is just stuck in 3.
Need to watch Rob skiba and Dr Michael Heiser
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The Bible suggests we live in 10 dimensions. No one believes we are in 1 d...that is absurd! 4 d is absolutely provable by our basic senses and even the earliest Christians could see that. Is it your intention to mock Christians by making a fool of yourself? If so..Great job! Most theoretical physicists today expect that there are 10 dimensions. The amount of narcissistic hubris shown here is dumbfounding. The whole point of the conversation between God and Job was to allow Job to see his place and put God in His rightful place. You completely missed that! It is sad.
All these folks...teen agers twenty somethings etc "deconstructing " their "religion".
Look..religion is of man...I agree. What God reveals is of God. So you read the Bible and see flat earth. You believe the "Science" instead of the Bible? You do you. Bear in .ind science text books change every couple of years. And the things scientists say are fact often get proven to be complete fiction in 10-20 years. The Bible is consistent. It does take faith. But Biblical cosmology is infinitely more reasonable than this big bang nonsense! Entropy disproves evolution! We see entropy in our own lives day to day. Macro evolution is a joke and a pathetic one at that!
Since one has to have faith to believe God and the Bible or faith to believe scientists and "the science" I will put my faith in God.
I am a firm believer in free will and everyone making their own decisions. So is God! So you believe whatever and I will believe God and the Bible and when the day of our demise is at hand let the cards fall where they will!
Peace in your pursuit of truth!
Another great synopsis giving a balanced , fact based view! I really like the fact you show it from both points of view - everyone can always shape things in ways they want - but it doesn't stop there being overwhelming evidence pointing to the truth! I only wish people were shown all of the facts before making up their minds rather than being told what to think with only a sliver of the information!! Can't way for the next topic!
Reading scientific principles into scripture is like seeing a verse that says "The sun was hot" and saying "Wow, God revealed nuclear fusion to us!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Sadly you are not exaggerating what these Christian apologists say.
That has confirmation bias written all over it.
Wow, this presentation is DEVASTATING to any open-minded Christian apologist, and easily dismantles any other god-centered religious orientation as well. Well done, sir.
"it's Photoshop but it has to be" ~ NASA on every image of the globe earth 👉🌍. NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive". Water always finds it's ways flat and level, you have never seen it bend to match what is underneath it with your own two natural eyes or stick to balls, but all you need to do is run a bathtub to see how enclosed flat earth cosmology works and is true.
@@mangakatanaka3067
False. It's Photoshoped because it's thousands of legitimate photos stiched together from close to the earth and the resulting compound must be tweaked in terms of lighting, coloration, visible stiches and the removal of people from the surface.
Nasa doesn't exist in hewbrew as a word at all. The term you've been decieved into conflating it with has no relationship with the modern abreviation of National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
Here's the hewbrew word for deception for comparison הונאה and it looks nothing like NASA nor is pronounced as such.
Level doesn't mean flat", but I'm sure you know that. The issue is that you don't care about what's true, you only care about what you believe. Which is why you can blatantly ignore obvious evidence of the sphere shape of the earth.
You know full well the curving area is alot larger than you can see in any one go from the surface of the Earth and when you are directly shown the curvature from a point high enough with a wide enough view to see it, you deny it outright for no rational reasons. You are Not Sceptical, you have nothing but baseless incredulity and an incredibly narrow closed off mind.
Religion has turned your brain to mush and worse still, You're proud of that fact.
Level doesn't mean flat, and before you throw out the definition, this saying is in reference to your and all flat earthers missunderstanding of
"water seeks its own level".
You simply have the wrong idea of what it means for water to seek its own level.
Water seeking its own level means that water from a single source flowing into a system with separate containers will fill up each side to the same height.
The word “level” has different uses depending on context. It can be level, like a table top, which is the way you're using it, or level can mean a relative height, as in a “higher or a lower level,” which is what this "principle" actually refers to.
Water does not seek to be “flat.” It seeks to balance between separate columns of water that have a common source.
The “level” that water seeks is thus NOT a flat plane. It is a curved surface the diameter of Earth. It only looks like a plane for short distances that you can easily see. Your limited perception from the Earth's surface doesn't allow you to ‘see’ the slight curve that it has.
Furthermore, you have no idea what so ever about what you're talking about in regards to science and experimentation.
But lets pretend you do. What experiments have you done or what theoretical underpinning can you provide?
It is OK if you haven’t done any grand experiments and rely simply on your own observations. In all of your observations, you have seen that water does something and it does it consistently and you call that “seeking level.”
However, I'm very sure you have never done an experiment that distinguishes between these two* rules:
1) Water always seeks its own level, and that level is necessarily planar.**
2) Water always seeks its own level, and that level is necessarily perpendicular at each point on the surface of the water to a vector from the water to the center of gravity of the Earth.***
You know for certain the first part - and most everyone who has considered the issue will agree with you. Water does seek its own level, or in more pedestrian terms, water flows downhill if it can.
The problem is with your intuitive definition of “level”.
Undisturbed water is in *hydrostatic equilibrium.*
If its surface is open and under the same atmospheric pressure everywhere*, the surface will be perpendicular to its local gravity field in every point.
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Even a glass of water is curved at the top, it's specifically called a meniscus. Again you know nothing of proper experimentation or you would understand that a bathtub doesn't demonstrate anything about an flat earth, Besides the a poor concept that modern FE's don't accept if you've actually bothered to keep up with their claims. They say FE is not a space pizza held up by elephants, they claim it's an endless plane and that the icewall only encircles our part of it. Doesn't look much like a tub of water, then does it? Lol
@@guytheincognito4186 Nasa gets a huge budget of our tax dollars every year and you are telling me they can get photographs of the surface of Mars but they can't some how get one single photograph of the globe earth by just taking a photo as the rocket leaves to go to mars??? 😅😂🤣 Hahahhahahhaha yeah I smell bs.
@@guytheincognito4186 a glass of water curves at the top 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 save it for stand up night🤡. Nobody has ever seen water curve at the top in a glass of water, your bs is just funny at this point don't let that nose of yours grow to big now. 🤥
I think you are an amazing young man. To have taught yourself so much and escaped that cult is just incredible. May you help others to help themselves!
no christian believes the earth is flat, he does the aronra and reports on what christians believes even though we don't believe it's flat
@@jimmynolet3752 *Flat Earth is a PSYOP that has been carried out by ATHEISTS and infected those among us who are weak minded, privy towards new absurd ideas and who are desperate for attention. There isn't a SINGLE scripture in the ENTIRETY of the Biblical texts that discuss a FLAT EARTH. The accusation that ancients thought the earth was flat was hoisted upon the public by Naturalists in the late 19th century. Columbus NEVER thought the earth was flat.*
@@thetruthchannel349 i've only met christian internet warriors claiming the earth is flat. i never met a single christian in real life that thinks the earth is flat.
@@jimmynolet3752 *I documented that ATHEISTS were the driving force behind COMMENT led claims that the 'EARTH is FLAT.' In fact, after I began confronting these ATHEISTS for mis-representing themselves their YT accounts began deleting themselves. I collected this evidence for over a year. The majority of comment warriors saying things like 'Bible says the earth is flat' were ATHEISTS pretending to be Christian flat earthers.*
“i expanded the boundaries of my research. . . ”
and that is what i love about you, Has. :-))))
You hit the nail on the head about "Desperately desiring the bible" When a person wants needs and desire something ANYTHING they will always look for the parts ( conformation bias ) that support it and dismiss the parts that do not support their want need and desire. it happens in every aspect of life from love to wanting a god. To have been surrounded and indoctrinated constantly, to then realize on your own the reality of the situation and to wake up to it was truly epic. My respects to you sir.
Incorrect, no Christian believes the Earth is Flat, we all believe it is round. We also openly mock Evolutionism and don't believe in it, which if it was a matter of picking and choosing it would make more sense running with the world. Also we believe in Jesus we don't pick and choose that part. We believe in Noah's Ark Event.....frankly you just believe what everything dan said in the video...most of it is untrue.
@@jimmynolet3752 Dan is explaining his experience within his ex church. There are over 50 denominations that call themselves christian and each has its own interpretation. (That is why there are so many denominations)
Your first word is "Incorrect" Within HIS Jehovah Witness group he was told and force fed this so it is not incorrect. His statement stands. As for what you believe i am very sure it is different. You must be clear and concise when listening to an explanation so you are incorrect my friend.
You have postulated a theory that I believe everything he said.. Like your faith you lack any evidence of this as i was praising his ability to see past the superstition the mumbo jumbo and realize that the science conflicted with what he was taught
As for his science none of what he said was untrue. YOU ARE INCORRECT on many levels, your presumption of what i was commending him for, your assertion that the science he stated was wrong and your assumptions that i believe everything he said. Agreeing is not belief It is simply agreeing using knowledge that I already posses with proof rather than agreeing with something lacking any evidence. Everything he stated is in line with what was taught to me 30 years ago from my university.
Please learn not to jump to conclusions, to presume. If you think and believe the great flood of the bible actually happened it is up to you and your religion to prove your claim. Scientifically is is 99.999999999999999999999999% improbable that it did. The same statistics as mermaids and leprechauns being at the bottom of my garden around my pond... Or santa claus being real.
@@mkay6089 You don't think when I am talking to evolutionists or people of other faiths they don't vary extremely? You should try to debate evolutionists I can't get any of them to commit to the same thing...they all say it had to happen but at the point they don't agree with each other. Religion we vary as well most denominations are ALL Christians. JW are not.
Hmmm you didn't say much, but i should clarify Noah's Ark seeing you don't believe. You can watch Kent Hovind on how it all was possible. I can get further into detail how it all happened with my own spin but, you don't even need any of that. UA-cam Ron Wyatt Noah's Ark...there's the ship what more do you need
@@jimmynolet3752 They do vary extremely... They vary enough with the important bits such as marriage and divorce, Some allow their clergy a wife some do not, some still believe the Noah;s ark story some do not some still insist gays be stoned, some have stated gays are welcome. Some state the earth is 6000 years old others agree with science goes on and on. Depends what a person wants out of their religion, what they think is right or wrong . Jehovah's witnesses identify as christian, Just because you do not ether recognize that term or you wish to pretend they do not is irrelevant.
As for Ken Hovind he has proved nothing other than to show his devotion to what he wants, needs and desires. Again if you wish to actually understand science All the animals could never fit on an ark with the dimensions the bible gives and only animals that were native to that region where the bible was written seem to have been included in the ark story funny that! If they had listed kangaroos or koala bears i would have been impressed. Along with the scientific understanding of the earth being covered with water life would not have been able to survive ( oxygen / co2 levels etc) the recovery time and many other scientific reasons it is impossible.
You are a christian, you want need and desire your god so anything that supports your desire for this god is evidence anything that does not is fake news or misdirection etc. You have your faith. Fine. enjoy. You are trying to use Pseudo science to prop up and support your faith. The findings of Noahs ark were by a team of Evangelists not archaeologists and In 2020, the Institute for Creation Research acknowledged that, despite many expeditions, Noah's Ark had not been found and is unlikely to be found. Many of the supposed findings and methods used in the search are regarded as pseudoscience and pseudo archaeology by geologists and archaeologists.
Sorry your need want and desire will not produce evidence nor make something true. You asked What more do i need ? PROOF, EVIDENCE, FACTS. Not wishes and fairy stories. There is no ship. Never was.
The flood story is not unique to the Bible.
Other flood stories predates noah.
Epic of gildamesh. Probably most famous.
I love your content. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to tell your story and reveal the knowledge you gained along the way.
You're welcome. Thanks for the kind words Tyler 👍🏻
@@TheTruthHurts "tell your story and reveal the knowledge you gained along the way" -----
Thus, having come to understand the unreasonableness of one delusion, one would hope that you move forward toward a well-reasoned faith that does not stagnate in an apparent atheistic delusion.
When I open up to my parents, this is the video I will lead with. Thank you.
Good luck. Plan well.
What did they say? Im very curious
i rejected the FE back in 2015 and i disassociated from watchtower back in 2019, i had a few questions that were planted years earlier of how stars revolve around Polaris and last year arpil 2021 started researching which lead me back to FE.
Go to Australia and try to find Polaris. You will find you can't see Polaris and there is a south celestial pole, which is impossible on a flat Earth.
@@robertcampbell6349 how is it impossible?
Bro just look up in the sky during a sunset or sunrise. There is all the proof you need that we live on a spherical earth.
The way the sky changes colors so dramatically and drastically in such a short period of time can only, here I'll repeat myself, it can only happen on a spherical shape.
@@twodumbgamers9285 believe what you want.
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If youtube slaps a missinformation label u know the video is straight fax
Another great video, Harrison! Thanks! I see things the same way. I care whether something is true or not. And whether something makes me 'feel good' about myself or the world is not a measure of truthfulness.
Excellent video. Definitely a lot of these questions in my head as a JW, wish I had the courage to ask them sooner than I did.
The part on bending the bible to science was interesting. Some fellow apostates today want to claim the bible isn't against homosexuals either, that it's only mistranslations and misinterpretations and the bible never mentions gay people. I think this is making the bible fit modern standards. These ancient goat herders didn't have better standards for equality than we do now. It's a fabrication. The bible "is what it is."
Bible is against what it says it is. And not what it's not. And for those that try to change it. They should read the last paragraphs at the end of the Bible. And repent of doing so, if they have done these things.
Revelation 22:19
“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
Well it doesn't take any kind of special intelligence to see that there is no purpose to the same sex being together. The parts don't fit and do not create a baby. It's up to choice. You aren't forced into a relationship.
@@MrLaughingcorpse doesn't take any special intelligence to make a comment like that either. Old people can't make a baby and their parts often don't fit either. Should they get a divorce?
@@TheVillainOfTheYear That statement is so illogical it doesn't even merit a response.
@@MrLaughingcorpse And yet you responded.
In H.G. Well's story "The Man Who Could Work Miracles," the protagonist at one point in the story had reason to make the earth stop. He said "Jest Stop." And it did, and what Tyson said in the clip shown here, things went flying. I have long questioned the idea of the earth's rotation stopping instantaneously. Even a gradual slow down would still have dire consequences.
When I was a teenager I attended a 7th Day Adventist school and they drew a disk as you showed with the firmament above and below with the sun and stars stuck on the firmament. They quoted the Bible and stated that’s what the earth actually looked like. I didn’t believe it.
Wow, around what year do you think this was? Just curious if it was after the modern flat earth movement which has been growing since around 2015 or before that
The earth is definitely flat.
A randomly chosen Mesopotamian 2500 years ago might have said that he lived under a dome. Almost anything is possible, and there were probably flat-Earthers even then. However, I doubt that he would have said that he lived under a dome-shaped 'firmament' since that was not a word or concept which had been coined back then. The word he might have used if he was a Hebrew, 'raqiya' is commonly translated as expanse or sky, and with good reason. It is self-evident that we live under a sky, and ancient peoples were not as fixated upon nonsense as we are today. They tended to just say what they saw. The use of the then freshly-coined and previously undefined word 'firmament' in the KJV is based on a mistranslation in Jerome's 4th-century Latin Vulgate translation.
2:00 "He runs away as fast as he can because he's convinced that there is something seriously wrong with you". - Yes, and I would add that he is probably right. Before running, though, he might well concede the validity of many of your points, but he would probably want to know how you arrive at your precise figures. How do you know, for instance, that you can fit 1.3 million Earths inside the Sun? Upon further conversation he would probably conclude that you are just quoting from a textbook and don't have any deep insights of your own, and so no he would not be gobsmacked, and neither would he hang on your every word like you are Jesus.
3:40 "Even today, there remains a Flat Earth Society".
- founded in 1956. Do not blame ancient peoples for that aberration.
4:00 "There is one who dwells above the circle of the Earth".
The ancient Greeks spoke of a "horizon kuklos" meaning "limiting circle". I believe that other ancient cultures had a similar concept. If you happen to live on a flat plain then the limit of what you can see forms a circle. Again it's just "say what you see". And it just so happens that even if you are many thousands of miles above the Earth, the limit of what you can see still forms a circle, which separates the near hemisphere from the far.
12:20 "The noun 'raqiya' is derived from the verb 'raqqa'".
.. which means "spread out". The sky is an expanse, meaning that it is spread out. There is no reason to suspect any solidity. There is a similar word IN SYRIAC which means solid, and which is probably the cause of the initial confusion, but actually confusing these words would be like concluding that consuming French baked goods would be an agonizing process because the French word for bread is pain.
*Hebrew Cosmology is an attempt to give a PHYSICAL REPRESENTATION of that which is HYPER-PHYSICAL. What LIARS like the one in the video leave out is that MOST ancient Cosmologies have the EARTH circled by a SERPENT or a MULTI-HEADED serpent. So, that means if the REPRESENTATION means that the earth is LITERALLY FLAT and LITERALLY ENCASED in a DOME and the SUN and the MOON are just little LIGHTS? That means they also thought a BIG FREAKIN 7 HEADED SNAKE was WRAPPED around the DOMED EARTH. Ya, but they didn't. That 7 HEADED SERPENT represents an ORGANIZED 'ANGELIC' REBELLION or CHAOS or SPIRITUAL DARKNESS or EVIL. And just like the 7 headed serpent doesn't mean a REAL BIG SNAKE CIRCLING the EARTH? Nothing else in that COSMOLOGY denotes anything PHYSICAL. Its a METAPHYSICAL REPRESENTATION of the HIERARCHIES in REALITY.*
I'm so glad someone else understands the origin, and meaning of the original Hebrew term of sky. As well as the vault concept being an issue from the Latin vulgate importing Greek cosmoganies.
Something else that is funny is they will quote scripture from PSALMS which is expressly poetry to try to say the Bible says the earth is flat, and that it is geocentric, and that is what everyone believed when it was written but they'll conveniently overlook the passages from job (which is older, and non-poetic) that states the skies are stretched out over empty space, and that the earth hangs on nothing.
People can be so certian of concepts without giving a little critical thought and the minimum of research.
*22:47** Can you imagine going door to door and teaching Bible Flat Earth Theory* ! ? !
L O L !
That would be cool hahaha
People need to open their minds
@@lyrafilhodeadao6874 Open reminds so much that their brain falls out and falls out and uncritically take your ancient piece of Babylonian fan fiction.
I wish a Flat Earther would come to my door. I’d love to engage in the discussion and ask him why he doesn’t believe the sun rises and sets below the earth when even the Bible says so in Ecclesiastes 1:5?
@@FlyTour69 Good point.
Other readers here will search:
" Ancient Hebrew cosmology "
Galileo's and Copernicus's scientific calculations disproved the bible author's writings, that were claimed at Joshua 10:12-13
The pre science bible author's viewpoint was that the Sun traveled in motion over the Earth, in the same way as the Moon does, and that _both_ could be magically stopped, at the very same time, by one man's prayer to YHWH
always great to see a new video of yours.
Thanks Mauricio. Hope you enjoyed :)
Awesome video!
Technically the earth doesn't rotate at 1,000 mph, rotation is measured in degrees and drift, the earth rotates at a 15-degree per hour drift, which is why we don't notice it, it's super slow.
You're arms are huge mate, you must favour arm day or pump steroids straight in to those guns. 😜
Great work on your videos, glad I happened upon you lads, I've got a free education on The last days being more applicable to 1550, I have also had a good laugh at the humour.
Excellent ExJw channel.
Both are correct. 1000 mph = 30 km/s is the orbital velocity at the surface of the Earth. 15°/h is the angular velocity of the entire planet.
I don’t really care that much about these topics but this dude is so good at talking about them that I watched all his videos.
the sad part is that for many Christians you can prepare for days with the best arguments so that in the end they will reply : YoU HaVe No FaITh
yeah... heard some of those prepared nonsense ))) I have no faith in you.
Exactly!! There is a difference between a ball and circle. You young man are an amazing critical thinker and express your findings very well. I'm hooked. Binge watching now to catch up.
That's very kind of you, thank you. I'm glad you enjoy my content😊
But when the original word "chuwq" means both "circle" and " sphere", there is no contradiction.
Even Jesus used a greek word "gyros" about the circle of the earth. So what is the problem with Bible and the spherical earth?
@@mikemental8285 -- The problem is simple. Honestly think, if there were a being that truly were All Knowing, then that being knew that there would be this confusion, correct? So why not prevent this confusion from ever happening? How? By he himself writing his own books. If he is also All Powerful, then the LEAST he could have done was write us his book. If he were also All Loving, then he WOULD at the very least have done that for us.
But.... he didn't. Why?
Just think, if there were some "Omnipotent" and “Omniscient” being who was a Good/Loving god and he wanted us to know his message/plan, then the least he could have done was author the book himself. Make it his "Perfect" word of god that no mere Human could ever write or improve upon.
So magical that even the blind and illiterate need only touch it and they would know and understand what it says. It would be so magical, that it would be Impossible to "misinterpret". Because of that, everyone would completely understand it with no need to “interpret” and there would be ZERO doubt as to Exactly what it says and means. The message would get across Perfectly. Then everyone would agree as to what it said. Is that too much to ask?
We would still have the right to follow it or not follow it, but the Message would be undeniable and perfect.
But as of now, there is no such book. The bible, torah, quran, book of mormon, etc., etc. FAIL MISERABLY. A true book that was the “Perfect” word of a god would also be Perfect and because of that not need to be translated. So none of those books stand the test.
The bibles alone have at least 60 different versions in just the English Language! That is why the bibles have so many denominations ALL Claiming that only THEIR interpretation of the word is real. Think of that, even people that truly do believe and WANT it to be true cannot agree as to what it says! Back in 2012, there were over 40,000+ denominations all disagreeing about what the current bibles say. So if the ‘god’ of the bibles “Inspired” the bibles to be Perfect, it has Failed Miserably.
Something is either Perfect, or it isn't. There is no in between. None of those books are Perfect. Improving upon those books is child’s play.
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So all loving, omnipotent God woould create people who weren't human.
Ok
@@mikemental8285 -- First, if there truly were a being that were "Perfect" in every way, we wouldn't exist.
Second, what you said makes no sense. Seriously, be honest... take a step back and think about what you just said.
Third, I ask you = why didn't that god write his own books?
Last but not least, do yourself a huge favor. Read whatever book you claim is the "perfect" word of god. Read it with an Open Mind. You will discover all the Errors, Contradictions, and EVIL done by and commanded by that 'god'. Reading those books is what made me an Atheist. Ironically enough, when I read the bibles, I did that to connect more to our Claimed "Lord and Savior". Most who read those books with an Open Mind, are freed from the lies.
I see religious people as Victims of all the Lies we were all told. Honestly, here's to hoping you Escape the lies. Happy Holidays.
“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov
"The Truth" Hurts. Such a great channel name. Well done!