In a nutshell, it does not matter to me what negative comments are made about the Quran because I find solace, mercy/affirmation and understanding in it. Its fundamental message is to believe in one God and live a good life in service to humanity. Any non-Muslin is my friend - no distinction; I see them as Muslims as well. I am retired without wants; and on reflection, I am thankful to Allah. Peace to all
In a nutshell, you’ve summarized the true purpose of good religion: adopting practices and beliefs that ultimately result in making you a better human being to everyone you come into contact with. Safe, joyful, and fruitful spiritual journey, brother! For me, my guidance is the teachings of Jesus Christ, the belief in one God, Whom I will never pretend to be able to explain, but will never stop trying to imagine within the limited scope of my intellect, to Whom I am forever thankful for my inner peace and desire to be good to others
@@halalhomer The Bible, in a strict sense, talks about God the father being the only one to worship and pray to, as preached by Jesus himself. As far as what the oneness of God entails is something that I cannot really explain nor can I speak with confidence about the essence, nature of God- at the end, who can? What is clear in the Bible is that no one needs to believe Jesus is God in order to be saved. As a result, that is something I merely speculate on and do not consider to be essential to my faith. The primary focus of Jesus’s teachings is about revealing the purpose of the Father and the path for salvation for mankind. Such is my belief, which I strive to keep as faithful as possible to what is taught in the Gospel. Essentially, my faith is spiritual not subscribed to any denomination, the simple reason that the Bible has never recommended for me to called anything else, kind of an Occam’s razor approach, if you will. I hope it’s clear. If not, feel free to ask more questions or even challenge. I would welcome it.
@@halalhomer I avoid these labels because they are merely the results of philosophical discussions and can actually have implications beyond my understanding. Saying I am unitarian would actual inject into the crowd of men who pretend that they can explain the nature of God. As I have pointed out earlier, I don’t know what the oneness means or entails fully, no one can actually explain it. I am content with knowing that God is one. Of course I speculate, we all have a curious mind and wonder about the unseen and unknown, but it would be dishonest of me to present my speculation as facts and conviction. My brother, in this life and body in which we are enclosed, it is impossible, as it stands, for us to understand the spiritual world. I have ideas that I would not dare to present necessarily as religious truths. Our world is more complex than we can ever suspect, there’s a physical world to which we have just recently become barely acquainted to, the quantum world, a universe which we cannot measure, galaxies separated from one another by billion of light years. Just ponder on that for a second to realize how complex and infinite the architect of our world be. How can we know any more of God than what is essential for our salvation? I believe that faith is about learning and humility. One day we all die to this world, and maybe revert to a form where things of the spiritual world are made clear to us. I am saying all this to tell you that I don’t know what the oneness of God is and how such oneness manifest itself. Believing in and loving God is enough for me. My ability to engage in intellectual exploration, using science trying to appreciate the work of God are just bonuses. I hope you understand me. What are your thoughts?
@@halalhomer yes it is interesting. I see the similarities. I will subscribe to your channel. I like to listen to different perspectives, understanding how we as people come to form our beliefs.
@T. S. You will never understand God bc it's impossible to. God does not need to make some unimaginable speech for us, he can make a lesson out of even one person. SubhanAllah!
@T. S. God does not need any validation to do as he wills, indeed he is perfect. The verses show us that the ones without faith, even if they are our close relatives, will suffer punishment for their deeds. And those who are faithful, are the closest to a believer. They are the ones who are righteous in Allah (SWT)'s eyes.
It is also possible that these manuscripts were from a student trying to learn Quran, as we do nowadays with wooden boards. In my region, they used to take wooden boards, prepare ink (from burning Wool), and write on that board before starting to learn. After finishing, students had to erase the ink by scrubbing it. and write over it again.
The bottom line is that the Quran circulated both in the oral and written realms. It was alive and recited during when the prophet was alive until today.
Ameen. And think about the fact how He, Allah, the punishments in the after life describes in the Magnificent Al-Quran..Allahu Akhbar. May He have mercy upon the Ummah and forgive us for our sins. La Illaha illAllah.
Did you know that in the Quran Surah (3:129) Ali 'Imran and Surah (48:14) Al-Fath so happen to be almost exact duplications? Maybe Allah is going senile, got confused and repeated himself
@John Poul Why does every hater of our prophet (SAW) have to be explicit, as if it's going to make you any more honest? On the contrary, it makes my faith in Islam stronger bc it prevents me from insulting someone's belief like you do. Plus, isn't it a miracle that even though our prophet(SAW) forgot the verses but many people had memorized the Quran so he was able to remember? It shows that the Quran can never be lost. And It proves my Allah (SWT)'s word correct that the Quran is preserved. If the hadiths differ, we must study into which one is more authentic.
@@toomanymarys7355 do you have any proof? Certain changes to the Qur'an bc of language translation doesn't mean that it's core message isn't preserved. I want you to show me how the message has changed, if what you say is the truth.
Quran is virtually FULLY preserved IN WRITTEN and ORALLY too ! In many cases, ORALLY can also be extremely powerful. So what Bro Shabir is really trying to say is : If some ANTIQUE Quran have a tiny spelling mistakes ( TYPO ), then this is only because there are countless people from the past writing countless different Quran by HANDS.......But because the Quran is also preserved through ORAL TRRADITION.........then some of these tiny TYPOS can be easily corrected too.
@@celestinaballad9052 Nope, Quran was revealed by verses to the Prophet over a 23year period! I should ask you the same... was the New Test of Ament sent to Paul in a Samsung Tablet? Jesus didnt carry a Bible KJV with him, he was preaching from the Torah given to Moses for your kind information..
If you write all the letters one after another, this is called concatenation, then that number is divisble by 19: 30113051301130305 = 19 × ... Of course using Abjad letters. This means لا اله الا الله is coded by ALLAH ALMIGHTY. This is my gift to you. May God increase our knowledge. Thank you and best regards.
What this means is that scholars are are examining the history, archeology and geography of Islam in depth in the clear light of day with contemporary documentation from the time of Mohammed, and finding that the traditional Islamic accounts have no sound basis. A good place to start is Peter Townsend’s book, The Mecca Mystery, Probing the Black Hole at the Heart of Muslim History, 2019.
He was talking about muhamad hijab.. he was saying the standard narrative that Mo is an intelectual genius has holes in it in fact hes a bufoon who single handedly destroyed al islam.. keep up the great job Mo you arrogant bufoon
He meant exactly what he said, because he had studied the material and is aware of hadiths. There are many that say that certain passages have been left out or forgotten, for example Sahih al-Bukhari 5005-Umar said, “Ubayy was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur’an), yet we leave some of what he recites.” Ubayy says, “I have taken it from the mouth of Allah’s Messenger and will not leave it for anything whatever.” Sahih Muslim 2286-Abu Musa al-Ash’ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur’an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara’at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: “If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust.” And we used to recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it . . . Abu Ubaid, Kitab Fada’il-al-Qur’an-A’isha . . . said, “Surat al-Ahzab (xxxiii) used to be recited in the time of the Prophet with two hundred verses, but when Uthman wrote out the codices he was unable to procure more of it than there is in it today [i.e. 73 verses].”
@@fuzbeatboxern5714 Yes they got it all wrong. And now that we discover that there are 37 DIFFERENT Qurans that have 93000 variations. Even the Rasm (basic texts) in the 6 oldest manuscripts in the World are not even from the Uthmanic period, none of them are complete, nor collectively add up to a Whole Quran, and indeed we are finding that even these differ from each other in thousands of significant ways. The facts are that there is no such thing as "the Quran" there are many variants with many differences, meanings and even order of the Sura's. Therefore, it cannot be the inerrant perfect word of God in anyway whatsoever! The concept of a single uncorrupted Quran has been TOTALLY destroyed
I don't understand what Dr. Shabir said at the end, that " altogether that makes up about 33% of what was originally a complete copy of the Quran", so if only 33% of the original copy is discovered, where did we get the rest of the Quran from ?
He said the rest where scattered at other places hence it given name. Besides this Qur'an is just what a person from the time of the companions of prophet wrote from memory
The shortest explanation is that the Quran is not changed at all but later on added the characters in written Arabic language to make it easy to read. Arabic language has 7 different dialects, but the meaning is the same. Such books written by man should be removed from the shelf as they only confuse the Believers.//Salaam/peace/A convert to Islam.
This was very interested and I think people like him and even I we have been Target because we like to be open and to learn and sometime when you do that when you take the time I really do research and your homework it kind it open a lot of understanding to how the manuscripts actually became in this kind of transition wish today it's another era but it kind of just brings out for people to act even more question???
Enjoyed this, a man who never raised his voice, explained it all well, such a short video, I could have listen to Dr. Shabir Ally a lot longer, I liked after all we are human, it must have been hell back in the day to write out all those scripts, something we fail to understand in this modern day . . .
You can buy it from the organization he mentioned in the video, although it’s expensive. Pictures of the original manuscript and presented. The original is stored in a museum/university in Paris, if I recall correctly
@@JamesJohnson-dj4yp If you dont have anything to say, that's fine. I'll assume you have nothing of importance to say otherwise you would have said it by now. Thanks for your time
I'm not sure you watched the entire video because judging from your perspective you just watched it to find any errors in it last time i had a debate with someone it was as if i was talking to a wall with ignorance i'm not joking they ignore and the are very toxic moreover i will only reply if mutual respect is invovled and if you are active now look buddy ask yourself how do we know the bible has been changed over time? It's because of it's errors, misconceptions and contradictions am i correct? Well sorry haters the quran has none of that no errors and no contradictions and no misconceptions if you studied the Quran like me you would know this, the only difference from the modern Quran and the ancient manuscript is that there were no diacritical and skeletal marks we use to differentiate different words so by that matter 33% of the quran preserved currently do not differ from our own modern Quran! May god bless and your family brother! Thanks!
@@muhuboereg1106 he just said that it was subjected to human error. Ie "people probably got tired" and that is what caused this deference and as far as the bible that book as well has da same human errors. Jus is what it is . Don't get mad me get mad at him or da people that got sloppy with the word of ALLAH
@@Mirror_Holder the point is . It wasn't to long ago that it was being said that the Quran was not subjected to no human errors now were finding out that it is
Dr Shabir, you have identified in some detail the scribal errors in the Paris Quran, but avoided the deliberate man made changes to the text that were made at a later date in an attempt to correct the document to be in line with later textual traditions. I refer to the scholarly work carried out in great detail in recent years by Daniel Brubaker, “Corrections in Early Quran Manuscripts”. Brubaker has had personal access to and examined in great detail six of the earliest Quran manuscripts including the Samarkand, Topkapi and Paris documents. He has concluded that there are hundreds of deliberate alterations including insertions, erasures / removals, overwritten erasures, additions, and overwriting without erasures in all of these documents. These changes were deliberately carried out at some time after the original documents were written seemingly in an attempt to standardise, which was unsuccessful as there are conflicts one document with another. These changes would indicate that it is impossible to state that that Quran has been unchanged since the time of Mohammed and Uthman. Dr Shabir, Can you please comment on Brubaker’s finding?
The key to preservation and checking of manuscripts is in collective memorization and recital of the Quran en masse, where the sacredness of the Quran comes to life and no error will go unnoticed by hafiz memorisers in the sacred recital gatherings. this is an alien concept to people like Daniel Brubaker.
@@rhuiden4086 Collective memorisation is not the key to Quran preservation. Quite the opposite. Quran manuscripts were written to preserve the messages to Mohamed as memorisation and recitation could not be relied upon for completeness and accuracy. As Brubaker’s research has proven, even the manuscripts themselves are erroneous and contradictory.
@@martinfrost9984 Well you would say that despite the proof. Quran is 100% preserved authentically. Even my children aged 11 and 13 have memorised 100th of it in arabic as it is melodic in nature and not a text book on physics. Your Brubaker simply does not understand text being erased and written over on parchment is not some form of conspiracy. This was standard practice in the era prior to mass produced paper as parchment was expensive to replace, so scribes were making human errors and correcting it. Again, sacred oral memorization of the Quran instituted by Prophet Muhammad himself is the key, as well as the scribes who wrote and recited it back to him. The authenticity of the Quran cannot be challenged as more proof has emerged supporting the accuracy of the text.
@@rhuiden4086 Oddizzee. The accuracy of memorisation and recitation was clearly a deep concern for Caliph Uthman in the early years after Mohammed’s death, as he found it necessary for a second review of all available Quranic texts due to a wealth of conflicting documentation over just a few years. This was a man-made intervention of Allah’s message, not divine, as he undertook to decide himself what was correct and then burnt anything that he disagreed with. Hardly proof of an unchangeable Quran! If you really want to prove that Uthman’s Arabic text is 100% preserved in today’s Quran, then you need to come up with an authentic original Uthman document. Where is it? This question has been asked many times with no response!
Oddizzee. Clearly you have not read Dr. Daniel Brubaker’s book and have no understanding of the unbiassed scholarly depth of his research. As an academic studying early Quranic manuscripts he fully understands corrections due to scriptural errors, and has shown in great detail that the changes to the Quran manuscripts that he has identified are not only scriptural errors, but are also due to much later deliberate scriptural changes. Please read it yourself so you can fully understand the research. Do not accept the conclusions of others but review Dr. Brubaker’s work and draw your own conclusions. I shall be interested in your findings.
So you need Paris Manuscript as evidence for authenticity of the Quran??? The Quran is authentic, it is in the Quran from the Word of Allah Himself (Quran 15:9)? If we need more proof, it is in Isaiah 29:11-20. Also it is in Deut 18:16-21 and similar way in John 16:12-14. What evidence do you need after the Word of Allah? And what hadith do you believe after the Scripture of Allah - the Quran (Quran 45:6)? It's a shame!
I have checked all the sources you mentioned and I don't see how any of them confirms authenticity of Quran. Would you mind explaining? Also if you say that Quran is authentic because it says so in the Quran, then that's not really a proof to me, because Quran was revealed through one man only. So there is no one else to confirm his revelations. Unless some other authors or people have confirmed it also.
What point are you making. I'm confused. The Quran doesn't need manuscripts as it is a memorised oral phenomenon not just a book. It wasn't a book while the prophet pbuh was alive anyway.
No we dont need Paris manuscript. It only has 33% of the originsl. Quran is first and still preserved through a well kept recitation form, from a chain of unbroken nameline of great scholars until today.
Dr. Sabbir Ali , you please say the right things when this copy printed and how many Suras are their ,being a scholars do not hide anything .we know a lots ,what threats if you tell the truth .theprinting date .Do not tell about bible .tell about Quran .
Despite Muslims claiming that there were thousands of reciter’s at the time of Mohamed and for that reason there can be no loss of details from collective memory. Yet we know from the Quran itself that the Verses for Stoning and Breastfeeding are missing. ’Ibn Umar al-Khattab: "Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Qur’an for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Qur’an has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available"’ A’isha: "During the time of the prophet, the chapter of the Parties used to be two hundred verses when read. When Uthman edited the copies of the Qur’an, only the current verses were recorded" Ubay ibn Ka’b: "This companion asked one of the Muslims, ‘How many verses in the chapter of the Parties’ He said, ‘Seventy-two or seventy-three verses.’ He (Ubay) told him, ‘It used to be almost equal to the chapter of the Cow (about 286 verses) and included the verse of the stoning. This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr includes mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating pages of the Mus-haf.: It was narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq. His version says: The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of an adult ten times was revealed, and it was written on a leaf that was kept beneath the bed of [‘Aa’ishah’s] house. When the Messenger of Allah fell sick, we were preoccupied with his situation, and a little animal came in and ate it. There are even disputes about the order of Sura's - Ibn Masud’s Quran starts 2,4.3,7 & ends with Sura 94. While Ubayy’s begins 1,2,4,3 and ends with 114. Therefore the Quran itself reports it is lacking parts and Muslims cannot then claim that the Quran is complete.
Wow that is shocking. Shocking that you are still posting this nonsense and show no understanding of abrogation which is an integral part of the quran.
GARY MILLER, PROFESSOR OF MATHEMATICS Gary Miller was a professor of Mathematics at the University of Toronto. He also was a Christian missionary who noticed that Muslim people were almost impossible to convert to Christianity. In 1977 he decided to study the Quran with the goal of finding scientific and historical errors that would help in convincing Muslims they are following a false religion. The first thing professor Miller noticed was that many verses of the Quran challenge people to use reason: “Will they not then contemplate the Quran? and if it had been from other than God, indeed they would have found in it many contradictions.” (Quran 4:82) “… and in case you are suspicious about what we have been sending down upon our bondman, (i.e. prophet Muhammad) then come up with a surah of like, and invoke your witnesses, apart from God, in case you are sincere.” (Quran 2:23) After careful study professor Miller was amazed by the Quran and reached the conclusion that it cannot be the work of a human being. He accepted Islam and started calling people to the straight path through lectures and other activities. His lecture “the Amazing Quran” shows the deep knowledge he acquired during his study of the book of Allah. Here are some of the points he makes in the lecture: “There is no such author who writes a book and then challenges others that this book is errorless. As for the Quran, it is the other way around. It tells the reader that there are no errors in it and then challenges all people to find any, if any. The Quran is not Prophet Muhammad’s autobiography as many non-Muslims claim. It does not mention the hard events in Prophet Muhammad’s personal life, such as the death of his wife Khadijah, or the death of his daughters and sons. Strangely enough, the verses that were revealed during a time of defeat for the Muslims proclaimed victory while those revealed at time of victory warned against arrogance and called for more sacrifices and efforts. If one writes his own autobiography, he would magnify the victories and justify the defeats. The Quran did the opposite and this is consistent and logical: it was not a history of a specific period but rather a text that sets general rules for the relationship between God almighty and the people.
@@think-islam-channel Muslims consider the Quran the perfectly preserved, eternal and unchanged word of God. So exactly how Much of the Quran do you want to Abrogate then ??? So if the Quran were really the actual divine words of God, it could never contain any imperfection !!!! Therefore, it cannot be dissected or partitioned for your convenience otherwise it could not be perfect ! So if you still believe in Abrogation you are not a Muslim PERIOD!
@@bertiebasset6025 Strange amount of excitement you have. Abrogation is a part of the quran as the quran itself states. Get over it. God promises a severe punishment for those that obstruct the truth. So I'd be worried if I were you. The Qur'an says *They desire to extinguish with their mouths, the light of God; but God will perfect His light, though the unbelievers be averse.* Quran 61:8 The wise quran discusses fools like you. Keep barking all the way to jahannam if you want.
@@abdulazizabdullah6497 Did you know that in the Quran Surah (3:129) Ali 'Imran and Surah (48:14) Al-Fath so happen to be almost exact duplications? Maybe Allah is going senile, got confused and repeated himself The first recorded text in the Arabic alphabet was written in AD512, this only had 16 Letters, and was the transition script from the previous Nabataean variation of the Aramaic alphabet, itself a derivative from the former Phoenician language. This was the Arabic alphabet Uthman used to supposedly write the Quran in 652. However, this Arabic script is written without ḥarakāt (Diacritical marks and vowels), a few of these were introduced in 656 by fourth Caliphate Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib, but the rest were only finalized around 786 by al-Farahidi. Moreover, the present day Arabic language has 28 letters and only this is used to write the current Quran. Therefore, not only has the language of the Quran been changed by the addition of the Dots and Vowels, but the original script used in the Uthmanic text has had to be extracted/expanded/ translated from the ORIGINAL 16 Letter “RASM” Clear Text, and therefore CANNOT be the original writing. Proving it has been corrupted by Man.
From Wikipedia with footnotes: Déroche writes of many mere orthographic differences between the text of the codex Parisino-petropolitanus and the standard text of today.[ Déroche 2009, p. 173.] Overall, the contents of the text are not hugely[clarification needed] different from those of today's Quran.[Rippin 2009, p. 708.] Orthography does not explain all of the differences, however.[Déroche 2009, p. 174.] Some remaining differences can be explained as copyist mistakes.[Déroche 2009, p. 175.] A few others are substantive variants according to Déroche, including some non-canonical variants.[Déroche 2009, p. 176-177.] Powers says that some of these substantive variants show that the text of the Quran remained "fluid" and open to change until the end of the 7th century. [Powers 2011, p. 193.]
@Abu Adam You have today's standardized Quran to compare it to. The farther back in time you go the more variants there are. Please provide me solid documentation that can be verified about the isnaad. I have asked before and no Muslim can provide reliable documentation of those going back to the time of Muhammad. For all intents and purposes, it looks like the isnaad is a fabrication attempting to defend the faulty Quran.
Bringem Young PBUH In the name of Allah SWT. brother the same Wikipedia says Greatest man to walk on earth was the prophet Muhammad PBUH. Now coming to your questions first of all see the date of Paris manuscript goes to late 7th century while we have early manuscripts like Birmingham manuscript which clearly approves Quran’s authenticity, and I think you forgot to mention that 4 people were writing the manuscript so that’s why it has a lot of orthography and scribal mistakes, and in your own statement clearly it is written that Déroche explained where the variants come from. How do we know these are variants? By ahadit and transmission in chain. And about your Asnad of transmission of Quran please watch this video ua-cam.com/video/lq_UVoG9Fd8/v-deo.html and Allah SWT knows best Waslam
Only 30% of Quranic old manuscript are available. All of them are a century after Mohammed's death and doesn't match with the modern version. So it is possible that Quran was compiled in tenth century and certainly different from what was memorized by the companions of Mohammed.
lol minor differences in new testament. RSV bible vs King James version bible vs Douay catholic version bible are not similar. Just be honest with yourself!
😂😂 there are no minor differences , Bruce Metzger said every verse of the Bible is different in different manuscript , there is no comparison , oldest manuscript of bible is from 150 ad of size of credit card , Jesus preached in 30 ad Moreover the quran was memorized by the companion of Prophet , no such thing happened with the gospel
LOL there is absolutely no comparison at all. The Quran is unchanged. The 'differences' are choices of diacritical marks on the exact same basic Qur'an
Your examples of differences in the font (Old English vs. modern English) and spelling differences (colour vs color) are irrelevant to the argument that the Paris ms is evidence of the authenticity of the Qur'an. Also scribal errors are only one factor to be considered. As you say this is only a portion of the Qur'an to begin with. Have you compared specific passages in the Paris ms. with corresponding passages in the Hafs or in the King Fahd edition of today? You have not presented any real evidence that this ms. in any way confirms the authenticity of the Qur'an in common use today.
@@bassaud3336 islam is a QUACK QUACK QUACK! The Arabic Quran is translated to bastardized [fabricated] English to deceive! 1.6 billion muslims wake up!!! Ask your imams or sheiks probing and deeper questions about your book and you will find BIG HOLES ... ask Yasir Qadi ... LOL!
@@tanjavankessel9842 Again, proof? Reason? What about all the other debates he did? Plus, I really don't understand the debates when the Bible itself says it's changed (proof: Jeremiah, Torah, etc.)
Bas Saud Christians don’t claim the bible is the perfect, unaltered word of god so they don’t have that position to defend, contrary to muslims. I know Shabir Ally has done many debates, but he won’t debate Christian Prince. You’d have to ask him why, not me.
No thanks. O my people, how is it with me, that I call you to salvation, and you call me to the Fire? Qur'an 40 :41 Worshiping a human earns the anger of God. This is what the OT, NT and Qur'an say: Qur'an 5:15-19 O People of the Book! there hath come to you Our Messenger revealing to you much that you used to hide in the Book and passing over much : There has come to you from God a (new) Light and a clear Book. Wherewith God guides all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety and leads them out of darkness by His Will unto the light guides them to a Path that is Straight. *In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then has the least power against God if His Will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother and everyone that is on the earth? For to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between. He creates what He pleases. For God has power over all things.* Say : "O People of the Book, come to a word common between us and you, that we worship none but God, and associate none as partner with Him, and that none of us take others for Lords, apart from God. " If they (still) turn away, then say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims (submitted to Him exclusively). " Quran 3: 64 Jealous God You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, Exodus 34:14 -for you shall not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God- Deuteronomy 4:24 For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God. Deuteronomy 4:23-24 So watch yourselves, that you do not forget the covenant of the Lord your God which He made with you, and make for yourselves a graven image in the form of anything against which the Lord your God has commanded you. For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God. Deuteronomy 32:16 “They made Him jealous with strange gods; With abominations they provoked Him to anger. Deuteronomy 5:9 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, Deuteronomy 6:15 for the Lord your God in the midst of you is a jealous God; otherwise the anger of the Lord your God will be kindled against you, and He will wipe you off the face of the earth. Joshua 24:19 Then Joshua said to the people, “You will not be able to serve the Lord, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgression or your sins. Mark 12: 28-29 28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
We have accept the Christ and even one step ahead from Jesus so called "guided sheep". We Believe He us Christ and keep comandment. You accept Christ but behave according to Paul. You are Paul Sheep not Jesus. Shame on you cross worshiper.
If Allah wanted to send his last message to humanity, why would he choose a defective script? why not choose Latin, Greek, Aramaic... Allah is not so clever. If we compare different Cor'ans 36 at least Arabic Cor'an they are different not only by copyist errors but also by dogma fundamental. Allah commits himself to preserve the Cor'an (Coran, 15 : 9). Obviously, he failed. Islam is an Abbasid construction and redaction.
If I have multiple manuscripts and 1/10 skips a line here, 1/20 skip a word here, 1/5 skip a letter there, you can still preserve it using a majority approach. This is a concept used in software engineering (hadoop distributed storage and processing for example) by companies like Facebook and Google. More importantly, the Quran is more a verbal recitation than a written book, only written for further transmission. There are millions of memorizers across the globe today, many of whom have a chain of teaching up to the Prophets companions that learned it first hand. They would memorize it perfectly as soon as it was recited to them. However, no amount of explanation will be enough for people whose hearts are sealed.
NaanPizza - that’s acceptable, however the criticism only arises due to the earlier position held of perfect preservation where not a single world, dot and curve was changed. Also hearts are not hardened due to Quranic preservation issue - that’s acceptable, however Muhammad’s ethical and moral disposition is not acceptable.
@@Smile100-r3s but the words are exact the same... he also states that in the video. What they did not use then were the added symbols, what is new and used in modern arabic to make it easy for the readers.
MeM - Dr Ally clearly states in this video Quran remains “fairly intact” admits to variations - which do not impact of belief or practice. Also words were “added for clarity”. Watch from 16mins to the end. ua-cam.com/video/FJVKcfHpoIQ/v-deo.html
@@Smile100-r3s "Also hearts are not hardened due to Quranic preservation issue......... ethical and moral disposition is not acceptable." Explain this.
The core tenets of Christianity are never in question, 1- The Son of God was crucified and died for our sins, 2- The Son of God resurrected and ascended into heaven, 3- The Son of God will come again and judge the world!
@@mpdcuk the koran did not even predicted that Mohammed piss be upon him will be poisoned by a jew or predicted the murders of fatima, ali, hassan and hussein by his ummah or predicted that arabs will make peace with Israel or the Jews ... what kind of a holy book is your koran ... meaningless ...
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In a nutshell, it does not matter to me what negative comments are made about the Quran because I find solace, mercy/affirmation and understanding in it. Its fundamental message is to believe in one God and live a good life in service to humanity. Any non-Muslin is my friend - no distinction; I see them as Muslims as well. I am retired without wants; and on reflection, I am thankful to Allah. Peace to all
In a nutshell, you’ve summarized the true purpose of good religion: adopting practices and beliefs that ultimately result in making you a better human being to everyone you come into contact with.
Safe, joyful, and fruitful spiritual journey, brother!
For me, my guidance is the teachings of Jesus Christ, the belief in one God, Whom I will never pretend to be able to explain, but will never stop trying to imagine within the limited scope of my intellect, to Whom I am forever thankful for my inner peace and desire to be good to others
@@halalhomer The Bible, in a strict sense, talks about God the father being the only one to worship and pray to, as preached by Jesus himself. As far as what the oneness of God entails is something that I cannot really explain nor can I speak with confidence about the essence, nature of God- at the end, who can? What is clear in the Bible is that no one needs to believe Jesus is God in order to be saved. As a result, that is something I merely speculate on and do not consider to be essential to my faith. The primary focus of Jesus’s teachings is about revealing the purpose of the Father and the path for salvation for mankind. Such is my belief, which I strive to keep as faithful as possible to what is taught in the Gospel. Essentially, my faith is spiritual not subscribed to any denomination, the simple reason that the Bible has never recommended for me to called anything else, kind of an Occam’s razor approach, if you will.
I hope it’s clear. If not, feel free to ask more questions or even challenge. I would welcome it.
@@halalhomer thank you 🙏🏾.
@@halalhomer I avoid these labels because they are merely the results of philosophical discussions and can actually have implications beyond my understanding. Saying I am unitarian would actual inject into the crowd of men who pretend that they can explain the nature of God. As I have pointed out earlier, I don’t know what the oneness means or entails fully, no one can actually explain it. I am content with knowing that God is one. Of course I speculate, we all have a curious mind and wonder about the unseen and unknown, but it would be dishonest of me to present my speculation as facts and conviction. My brother, in this life and body in which we are enclosed, it is impossible, as it stands, for us to understand the spiritual world. I have ideas that I would not dare to present necessarily as religious truths. Our world is more complex than we can ever suspect, there’s a physical world to which we have just recently become barely acquainted to, the quantum world, a universe which we cannot measure, galaxies separated from one another by billion of light years. Just ponder on that for a second to realize how complex and infinite the architect of our world be. How can we know any more of God than what is essential for our salvation? I believe that faith is about learning and humility.
One day we all die to this world, and maybe revert to a form where things of the spiritual world are made clear to us. I am saying all this to tell you that I don’t know what the oneness of God is and how such oneness manifest itself. Believing in and loving God is enough for me. My ability to engage in intellectual exploration, using science trying to appreciate the work of God are just bonuses. I hope you understand me.
What are your thoughts?
@@halalhomer yes it is interesting. I see the similarities. I will subscribe to your channel. I like to listen to different perspectives, understanding how we as people come to form our beliefs.
Indeed, it is We who sent down the message [i.e., the Qur’ān], and indeed, We will be its guardian.
The Islam Ummah will never fall wallah
@T. S. You will never understand God bc it's impossible to. God does not need to make some unimaginable speech for us, he can make a lesson out of even one person. SubhanAllah!
@T. S.
God does not need any validation to do as he wills, indeed he is perfect.
The verses show us that the ones without faith, even if they are our close relatives, will suffer punishment for their deeds. And those who are faithful, are the closest to a believer. They are the ones who are righteous in Allah (SWT)'s eyes.
@T. S. No, God did not come down, when did I mention that?
Daniyal Anyier The Ummah has fallen, we Muslims don’t have unity.
It is also possible that these manuscripts were from a student trying to learn Quran, as we do nowadays with wooden boards.
In my region, they used to take wooden boards, prepare ink (from burning Wool), and write on that board before starting to learn.
After finishing, students had to erase the ink by scrubbing it. and write over it again.
The bottom line is that the Quran circulated both in the oral and written realms. It was alive and recited during when the prophet was alive until today.
Shabbir ali is one of the resource of Muslim ummah....
SubhanAllah. Allah's promise is true, its always going to be true
Ameen. And think about the fact how He, Allah, the punishments in the after life describes in the Magnificent Al-Quran..Allahu Akhbar. May He have mercy upon the Ummah and forgive us for our sins. La Illaha illAllah.
Did you know that in the Quran Surah (3:129) Ali 'Imran and Surah (48:14) Al-Fath so happen to be almost exact duplications? Maybe Allah is going senile, got confused and repeated himself
@@bertiebasset6025 DEBUNKED..
Look at the scientific facts of the Quran
Look at the scientific facts of the Quran
Masha Allah, the truth is clear.
Sadly some people won't understand
@John Poul Why does every hater of our prophet (SAW) have to be explicit, as if it's going to make you any more honest?
On the contrary, it makes my faith in Islam stronger bc it prevents me from insulting someone's belief like you do.
Plus, isn't it a miracle that even though our prophet(SAW) forgot the verses but many people had memorized the Quran so he was able to remember? It shows that the Quran can never be lost. And It proves my Allah (SWT)'s word correct that the Quran is preserved.
If the hadiths differ, we must study into which one is more authentic.
It is not preserved. That is the truth.
@@toomanymarys7355 do you have any proof?
Certain changes to the Qur'an bc of language translation doesn't mean that it's core message isn't preserved. I want you to show me how the message has changed, if what you say is the truth.
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Quran is virtually FULLY preserved IN WRITTEN and ORALLY too ! In many cases, ORALLY can also be extremely powerful.
So what Bro Shabir is really trying to say is :
If some ANTIQUE Quran have a tiny spelling mistakes ( TYPO ), then this is only because there are countless people from the past writing countless different Quran by HANDS.......But because the Quran is also preserved through ORAL TRRADITION.........then some of these tiny TYPOS can be easily corrected too.
There are so many angry non Muslims in the comments 😂
Because they are BURNING
Because they can’t accept the truth.
There is coming a time in which they will see with CERTAIN VISION...
Takbeer!
Allah Akbar!
Allah o Akbar
Fidel Catso, is this the quran that was sent down from al lah in a tablet?
@@celestinaballad9052by the Grace and will of God Almighty our Quran is perfectly preserved you should worry about your own scriptures
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Nope, Quran was revealed by verses to the Prophet over a 23year period!
I should ask you the same... was the New Test of Ament sent to Paul in a Samsung Tablet? Jesus didnt carry a Bible KJV with him, he was preaching from the Torah given to Moses for your kind information..
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
*لا إله إلا ﷲ*
If you write all the letters one after another, this is called
concatenation, then that number is divisble by 19:
30113051301130305 = 19 × ...
Of course using Abjad letters.
This means لا اله الا الله is coded by ALLAH ALMIGHTY.
This is my gift to you.
May God increase our knowledge.
Thank you and best regards.
Great insights
The greatness of Islam is its authenticity and logic
Amazing work
Eid Mubarak
Can some one pls explain what did yasir qhadi mean when he said:The standard narrative has holes ......
What this means is that scholars are are examining the history, archeology and geography of Islam in depth in the clear light of day with contemporary documentation from the time of Mohammed, and finding that the traditional Islamic accounts have no sound basis. A good place to start is Peter Townsend’s book, The Mecca Mystery, Probing the Black Hole at the Heart of Muslim History, 2019.
He was talking about muhamad hijab.. he was saying the standard narrative that Mo is an intelectual genius has holes in it in fact hes a bufoon who single handedly destroyed al islam.. keep up the great job Mo you arrogant bufoon
George K Nobody Trusts Yasir Qadhi, dude has non-Muslims teaching Islam in his “courses”
He meant exactly what he said, because he had studied the material and is aware of hadiths. There are many that say that certain passages have been left out or forgotten, for example Sahih al-Bukhari 5005-Umar said, “Ubayy was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur’an), yet we leave some of what he recites.” Ubayy says, “I have taken it from the mouth of Allah’s Messenger and will not leave it for anything whatever.”
Sahih Muslim 2286-Abu Musa al-Ash’ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur’an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara’at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: “If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust.” And we used to recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it . . .
Abu Ubaid, Kitab Fada’il-al-Qur’an-A’isha . . . said, “Surat al-Ahzab (xxxiii) used to be recited in the time of the Prophet with two hundred verses, but when Uthman wrote out the codices he was unable to procure more of it than there is in it today [i.e. 73 verses].”
@@Bot-gy9gx Yes, Yasir Quadi is a joke. He insults my religion, - I am Catholic, and is cherry picking in verses. He believes in ghosts.
Then why is Paris Manuscript only 75% complete and still there are 500 Differences between this and the Sanaa Manuscript ????
The Quran was memorized incorrectly then later they tried to correct it.
@@fuzbeatboxern5714 Yes they got it all wrong. And now that we discover that there are 37 DIFFERENT Qurans that have 93000 variations. Even the Rasm (basic texts) in the 6 oldest manuscripts in the World are not even from the Uthmanic period, none of them are complete, nor collectively add up to a Whole Quran, and indeed we are finding that even these differ from each other in thousands of significant ways. The facts are that there is no such thing as "the Quran" there are many variants with many differences, meanings and even order of the Sura's. Therefore, it cannot be the inerrant perfect word of God in anyway whatsoever! The concept of a single uncorrupted Quran has been TOTALLY destroyed
@@bertiebasset6025 😂😂😂 stop parotting hatun trash..fadi buti..jay smith..😂😂😂
I don't understand what Dr. Shabir said at the end, that " altogether that makes up about 33% of what was originally a complete copy of the Quran", so if only 33% of the original copy is discovered, where did we get the rest of the Quran from ?
He said the rest where scattered at other places hence it given name. Besides this Qur'an is just what a person from the time of the companions of prophet wrote from memory
Salis Alhassan why does the Quran self reference as a Kitab?
Memory, brother. Memory of great scholars who keeps the nameline of teachers who pass it down to them, that goes up to the prophet himself.
Nothing can be compared to the Quran. Facts.
So this Paris Manuscript is displaying the Birmingham Quran scripture, the oldest Quran that dated back to the time of Uthman ra?
Amazing SHABBIR 👏
It is helpful if you also give links mentioned in the video in description. thanks
casually pulls out a 12 century old book
What is the name of this Quran, Dr. Ally is holding
Where, when and how was the Paris Manuscript found?
The shortest explanation is that the Quran is not changed at all but later on added the characters in written Arabic language to make it easy to read. Arabic language has 7 different dialects, but the meaning is the same. Such books written by man should be removed from the shelf as they only confuse the Believers.//Salaam/peace/A convert to Islam.
😂 you dont know how to read it.. thats why you wont understand how beautiful it is.. its a miracles.. 😊
Amazing
How can i get this PARIS MANUSCRIPT
Search for Quran Gateway.
Too Many Marys Yea no
تميز المسلم الحق من النور في وجهه
This was very interested and I think people like him and even I we have been Target because we like to be open and to learn and sometime when you do that when you take the time I really do research and your homework it kind it open a lot of understanding to how the manuscripts actually became in this kind of transition wish today it's another era but it kind of just brings out for people to act even more question???
Enjoyed this, a man who never raised his voice, explained it all well, such a short video, I could have listen to Dr. Shabir Ally a lot longer, I liked after all we are human, it must have been hell back in the day to write out all those scripts, something we fail to understand in this modern day . . .
Love The Showwwwwwwwwwwww.
SubhanAllah
Amazing. It would be nice if we could find the transcript this was copied from
What do you mean?
You can buy it from the organization he mentioned in the video, although it’s expensive. Pictures of the original manuscript and presented. The original is stored in a museum/university in Paris, if I recall correctly
Thank you very much for this video
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Dr brubaker on UA-cam the variant Quran
Refuted by Farid responds I think
@@think-islam-channel that was 7 months ago my friend, think about gods word how deep are you into your faith?
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What was 7 months ago?
Your reply is vague.
Do you want to make a specific statement or claim that I could examine logically?
@@think-islam-channel you were specific in your response so what was vague?
@@JamesJohnson-dj4yp
If you dont have anything to say, that's fine. I'll assume you have nothing of importance to say otherwise you would have said it by now.
Thanks for your time
So wait a minute he just said the Qur'an was subjected to human error. Not ALLAH'S BOOK?
I'm not sure you watched the entire video because judging from your perspective you just watched it to find any errors in it last time i had a debate with someone it was as if i was talking to a wall with ignorance i'm not joking they ignore and the are very toxic moreover i will only reply if mutual respect is invovled and if you are active now look buddy ask yourself how do we know the bible has been changed over time?
It's because of it's errors, misconceptions and contradictions am i correct?
Well sorry haters the quran has none of that no errors and no contradictions and no misconceptions if you studied the Quran like me you would know this, the only difference from the modern Quran and the ancient manuscript is that there were no diacritical and skeletal marks we use to differentiate different words so by that matter 33% of the quran preserved currently do not differ from our own modern Quran!
May god bless and your family brother!
Thanks!
@@muhuboereg1106 he just said that it was subjected to human error. Ie "people probably got tired" and that is what caused this deference and as far as the bible that book as well has da same human errors. Jus is what it is . Don't get mad me get mad at him or da people that got sloppy with the word of ALLAH
Cant talk to idiots who think bible isnt full of satanic errors
@@frankmatthews2451 helo Frank. hop you are wel. wht's yor point again?!!
@@Mirror_Holder the point is . It wasn't to long ago that it was being said that the Quran was not subjected to no human errors now were finding out that it is
Dr Shabir, you have identified in some detail the scribal errors in the Paris Quran, but avoided the deliberate man made changes to the text that were made at a later date in an attempt to correct the document to be in line with later textual traditions. I refer to the scholarly work carried out in great detail in recent years by Daniel Brubaker, “Corrections in Early Quran Manuscripts”. Brubaker has had personal access to and examined in great detail six of the earliest Quran manuscripts including the Samarkand, Topkapi and Paris documents. He has concluded that there are hundreds of deliberate alterations including insertions, erasures / removals, overwritten erasures, additions, and overwriting without erasures in all of these documents. These changes were deliberately carried out at some time after the original documents were written seemingly in an attempt to standardise, which was unsuccessful as there are conflicts one document with another.
These changes would indicate that it is impossible to state that that Quran has been unchanged since the time of Mohammed and Uthman. Dr Shabir, Can you please comment on Brubaker’s finding?
The key to preservation and checking of manuscripts is in collective memorization and recital of the Quran en masse, where the sacredness of the Quran comes to life and no error will go unnoticed by hafiz memorisers in the sacred recital gatherings. this is an alien concept to people like Daniel Brubaker.
@@rhuiden4086 Collective memorisation is not the key to Quran preservation. Quite the opposite. Quran manuscripts were written to preserve the messages to Mohamed as memorisation and recitation could not be relied upon for completeness and accuracy. As Brubaker’s research has proven, even the manuscripts themselves are erroneous and contradictory.
@@martinfrost9984 Well you would say that despite the proof. Quran is 100% preserved authentically. Even my children aged 11 and 13 have memorised 100th of it in arabic as it is melodic in nature and not a text book on physics. Your Brubaker simply does not understand text being erased and written over on parchment is not some form of conspiracy. This was standard practice in the era prior to mass produced paper as parchment was expensive to replace, so scribes were making human errors and correcting it. Again, sacred oral memorization of the Quran instituted by Prophet Muhammad himself is the key, as well as the scribes who wrote and recited it back to him. The authenticity of the Quran cannot be challenged as more proof has emerged supporting the accuracy of the text.
@@rhuiden4086 Oddizzee. The accuracy of memorisation and recitation was clearly a deep concern for Caliph Uthman in the early years after Mohammed’s death, as he found it necessary for a second review of all available Quranic texts due to a wealth of conflicting documentation over just a few years. This was a man-made intervention of Allah’s message, not divine, as he undertook to decide himself what was correct and then burnt anything that he disagreed with. Hardly proof of an unchangeable Quran! If you really want to prove that Uthman’s Arabic text is 100% preserved in today’s Quran, then you need to come up with an authentic original Uthman document. Where is it? This question has been asked many times with no response!
Oddizzee. Clearly you have not read Dr. Daniel Brubaker’s book and have no understanding of the unbiassed scholarly depth of his research. As an academic studying early Quranic manuscripts he fully understands corrections due to scriptural errors, and has shown in great detail that the changes to the Quran manuscripts that he has identified are not only scriptural errors, but are also due to much later deliberate scriptural changes. Please read it yourself so you can fully understand the research. Do not accept the conclusions of others but review Dr. Brubaker’s work and draw your own conclusions. I shall be interested in your findings.
She is cute. ❤️❤️
So what you are saying is that no complete, unaltered historical Quran exists that agrees with the "modern" Quran?
Who said that and where.
Can you describe the differences?
Let's discuss.
@@think-islam-channel Research this for yourself. I prefer to not get into discussions with the walking dead.
So you need Paris Manuscript as evidence for authenticity of the Quran??? The Quran is authentic, it is in the Quran from the Word of Allah Himself (Quran 15:9)? If we need more proof, it is in Isaiah 29:11-20. Also it is in Deut 18:16-21 and similar way in John 16:12-14. What evidence do you need after the Word of Allah? And what hadith do you believe after the Scripture of Allah - the Quran (Quran 45:6)? It's a shame!
I have checked all the sources you mentioned and I don't see how any of them confirms authenticity of Quran. Would you mind explaining? Also if you say that Quran is authentic because it says so in the Quran, then that's not really a proof to me, because Quran was revealed through one man only. So there is no one else to confirm his revelations. Unless some other authors or people have confirmed it also.
What point are you making.
I'm confused.
The Quran doesn't need manuscripts as it is a memorised oral phenomenon not just a book. It wasn't a book while the prophet pbuh was alive anyway.
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The proof of the quran is the fact that it is a superhuman work.
No we dont need Paris manuscript. It only has 33% of the originsl. Quran is first and still preserved through a well kept recitation form, from a chain of unbroken nameline of great scholars until today.
Dr. Sabbir Ali , you please say the right things when this copy printed and how many Suras are their ,being a scholars do not hide anything .we know a lots ,what threats if you tell the truth .theprinting date .Do not tell about bible .tell about Quran .
Yeah Christian always hope to find trinity in Quran. 🤣🤣
Despite Muslims claiming that there were thousands of reciter’s at the time of Mohamed and for that reason there can be no loss of details from collective memory. Yet we know from the Quran itself that the Verses for Stoning and Breastfeeding are missing.
’Ibn Umar al-Khattab: "Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Qur’an for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Qur’an has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available"’ A’isha: "During the time of the prophet, the chapter of the Parties used to be two hundred verses when read. When Uthman edited the copies of the Qur’an, only the current verses were recorded" Ubay ibn Ka’b: "This companion asked one of the Muslims, ‘How many verses in the chapter of the Parties’ He said, ‘Seventy-two or seventy-three verses.’ He (Ubay) told him, ‘It used to be almost equal to the chapter of the Cow (about 286 verses) and included the verse of the stoning.
This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr includes mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating pages of the Mus-haf.:
It was narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq. His version says: The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of an adult ten times was revealed, and it was written on a leaf that was kept beneath the bed of [‘Aa’ishah’s] house. When the Messenger of Allah fell sick, we were preoccupied with his situation, and a little animal came in and ate it.
There are even disputes about the order of Sura's - Ibn Masud’s Quran starts 2,4.3,7 & ends with Sura 94. While Ubayy’s begins 1,2,4,3 and ends with 114.
Therefore the Quran itself reports it is lacking parts and Muslims cannot then claim that the Quran is complete.
Wow that is shocking.
Shocking that you are still posting this nonsense and show no understanding of abrogation which is an integral part of the quran.
GARY MILLER, PROFESSOR OF MATHEMATICS
Gary Miller was a professor of Mathematics at the University of Toronto. He also was a Christian missionary who noticed that Muslim people were almost impossible to convert to Christianity. In 1977 he decided to study the Quran with the goal of finding scientific and historical errors that would help in convincing Muslims they are following a false religion.
The first thing professor Miller noticed was that many verses of the Quran challenge people to use reason:
“Will they not then contemplate the Quran? and if it had been from other than God, indeed they would have found in it many contradictions.” (Quran 4:82)
“… and in case you are suspicious about what we have been sending down upon our bondman, (i.e. prophet Muhammad) then come up with a surah of like, and invoke your witnesses, apart from God, in case you are sincere.” (Quran 2:23)
After careful study professor Miller was amazed by the Quran and reached the conclusion that it cannot be the work of a human being. He accepted Islam and started calling people to the straight path through lectures and other activities. His lecture “the Amazing Quran” shows the deep knowledge he acquired during his study of the book of Allah. Here are some of the points he makes in the lecture:
“There is no such author who writes a book and then challenges others that this book is errorless. As for the Quran, it is the other way around. It tells the reader that there are no errors in it and then challenges all people to find any, if any.
The Quran is not Prophet Muhammad’s autobiography as many non-Muslims claim. It does not mention the hard events in Prophet Muhammad’s personal life, such as the death of his wife Khadijah, or the death of his daughters and sons. Strangely enough, the verses that were revealed during a time of defeat for the Muslims proclaimed victory while those revealed at time of victory warned against arrogance and called for more sacrifices and efforts. If one writes his own autobiography, he would magnify the victories and justify the defeats. The Quran did the opposite and this is consistent and logical: it was not a history of a specific period but rather a text that sets general rules for the relationship between God almighty and the people.
@@think-islam-channel Muslims consider the Quran the perfectly preserved, eternal and unchanged word of God. So exactly how Much of the Quran do you want to Abrogate then ??? So if the Quran were really the actual divine words of God, it could never contain any imperfection !!!! Therefore, it cannot be dissected or partitioned for your convenience otherwise it could not be perfect ! So if you still believe in Abrogation you are not a Muslim PERIOD!
@@bertiebasset6025
Strange amount of excitement you have.
Abrogation is a part of the quran as the quran itself states.
Get over it.
God promises a severe punishment for those that obstruct the truth.
So I'd be worried if I were you.
The Qur'an says
*They desire to extinguish with their mouths, the light of God; but God will perfect His light, though the unbelievers be averse.*
Quran 61:8
The wise quran discusses fools like you.
Keep barking all the way to jahannam if you want.
@@abdulazizabdullah6497 Did you know that in the Quran Surah (3:129) Ali 'Imran and Surah (48:14) Al-Fath so happen to be almost exact duplications? Maybe Allah is going senile, got confused and repeated himself
The first recorded text in the Arabic alphabet was written in AD512, this only had 16 Letters, and was the transition script from the previous Nabataean variation of the Aramaic alphabet, itself a derivative from the former Phoenician language. This was the Arabic alphabet Uthman used to supposedly write the Quran in 652. However, this Arabic script is written without ḥarakāt (Diacritical marks and vowels), a few of these were introduced in 656 by fourth Caliphate Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib, but the rest were only finalized around 786 by al-Farahidi. Moreover, the present day Arabic language has 28 letters and only this is used to write the current Quran. Therefore, not only has the language of the Quran been changed by the addition of the Dots and Vowels, but the original script used in the Uthmanic text has had to be extracted/expanded/ translated from the ORIGINAL 16 Letter “RASM” Clear Text, and therefore CANNOT be the original writing. Proving it has been corrupted by Man.
From Wikipedia with footnotes:
Déroche writes of many mere orthographic differences between the text of the codex Parisino-petropolitanus and the standard text of today.[ Déroche 2009, p. 173.] Overall, the contents of the text are not hugely[clarification needed] different from those of today's Quran.[Rippin 2009, p. 708.] Orthography does not explain all of the differences, however.[Déroche 2009, p. 174.] Some remaining differences can be explained as copyist mistakes.[Déroche 2009, p. 175.] A few others are substantive variants according to Déroche, including some non-canonical variants.[Déroche 2009, p. 176-177.] Powers says that some of these substantive variants show that the text of the Quran remained "fluid" and open to change until the end of the 7th century. [Powers 2011, p. 193.]
Thanks. I will look into your sources on this text.
@@nejiskafir8198 hi
@Abu Adam You have today's standardized Quran to compare it to. The farther back in time you go the more variants there are.
Please provide me solid documentation that can be verified about the isnaad. I have asked before and no Muslim can provide reliable documentation of those going back to the time of Muhammad. For all intents and purposes, it looks like the isnaad is a fabrication attempting to defend the faulty Quran.
@@youtubelibrary3195 Hello.
Bringem Young PBUH In the name of Allah SWT. brother the same Wikipedia says Greatest man to walk on earth was the prophet Muhammad PBUH. Now coming to your questions first of all see the date of Paris manuscript goes to late 7th century while we have early manuscripts like Birmingham manuscript which clearly approves Quran’s authenticity, and I think you forgot to mention that 4 people were writing the manuscript so that’s why it has a lot of orthography and scribal mistakes, and in your own statement clearly it is written that Déroche explained where the variants come from. How do we know these are variants? By ahadit and transmission in chain. And about your Asnad of transmission of Quran please watch this video ua-cam.com/video/lq_UVoG9Fd8/v-deo.html and Allah SWT knows best Waslam
Only 30% of Quranic old manuscript are available. All of them are a century after Mohammed's death and doesn't match with the modern version. So it is possible that Quran was compiled in tenth century and certainly different from what was memorized by the companions of Mohammed.
BS.....
Why not be honest and state that the minor differences seen in the Quran are similar to the minor differences seen in the New Testament?
lol minor differences in new testament. RSV bible vs King James version bible vs Douay catholic version bible are not similar. Just be honest with yourself!
😂😂 there are no minor differences , Bruce Metzger said every verse of the Bible is different in different manuscript , there is no comparison , oldest manuscript of bible is from 150 ad of size of credit card , Jesus preached in 30 ad
Moreover the quran was memorized by the companion of Prophet , no such thing happened with the gospel
LOL there is absolutely no comparison at all.
The Quran is unchanged. The 'differences' are choices of diacritical marks on the exact same basic Qur'an
LMAO 😂
Your examples of differences in the font (Old English vs. modern English) and spelling differences (colour vs color) are irrelevant to the argument that the Paris ms is evidence of the authenticity of the Qur'an. Also scribal errors are only one factor to be considered. As you say this is only a portion of the Qur'an to begin with. Have you compared specific passages in the Paris ms. with corresponding passages in the Hafs or in the King Fahd edition of today? You have not presented any real evidence that this ms. in any way confirms the authenticity of the Qur'an in common use today.
First!
How come Shabir Ally is scared to debate Christian Prince (CP) if Islam is a true religion?
Any proof of this fake news or do you just spew out your emotions?
@@bassaud3336 islam is a QUACK QUACK QUACK! The Arabic Quran is translated to bastardized [fabricated] English to deceive! 1.6 billion muslims wake up!!! Ask your imams or sheiks probing and deeper questions about your book and you will find BIG HOLES ... ask Yasir Qadi ... LOL!
Bas Saud This isn’t fake news, CP has challenged Dr Shabir to a debate on several occasions and Dr Shabir never accepted
@@tanjavankessel9842 Again, proof? Reason? What about all the other debates he did? Plus, I really don't understand the debates when the Bible itself says it's changed (proof: Jeremiah, Torah, etc.)
Bas Saud Christians don’t claim the bible is the perfect, unaltered word of god so they don’t have that position to defend, contrary to muslims. I know Shabir Ally has done many debates, but he won’t debate Christian Prince. You’d have to ask him why, not me.
The oldest Quran is older than Muhammad...lol how is that possible?
Read.. stop 🦜 ing around..
Muslims you have been given the chance to accept Christ do not waste like Ahmed Deedat!
No thanks.
O my people, how is it with me, that I call you to salvation, and you call me to the Fire?
Qur'an 40 :41
Worshiping a human earns the anger of God.
This is what the OT, NT and Qur'an say:
Qur'an 5:15-19
O People of the Book! there hath come to you Our Messenger revealing to you much that you used to hide in the Book and passing over much : There has come to you from God a (new) Light and a clear Book.
Wherewith God guides all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety and leads them out of darkness by His Will unto the light guides them to a Path that is Straight.
*In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then has the least power against God if His Will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother and everyone that is on the earth? For to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between. He creates what He pleases. For God has power over all things.*
Say : "O People of the Book, come to a word common between us and you, that we worship none but God, and associate none as partner with Him, and that none of us take others for Lords, apart from God. " If they (still) turn away, then say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims (submitted to Him exclusively). "
Quran 3: 64
Jealous God
You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
Exodus 34:14
-for you shall not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God-
Deuteronomy 4:24
For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 4:23-24
So watch yourselves, that you do not forget the covenant of the Lord your God which He made with you, and make for yourselves a graven image in the form of anything against which the Lord your God has commanded you. For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 32:16
“They made Him jealous with strange gods;
With abominations they provoked Him to anger.
Deuteronomy 5:9
You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
Deuteronomy 6:15
for the Lord your God in the midst of you is a jealous God; otherwise the anger of the Lord your God will be kindled against you, and He will wipe you off the face of the earth.
Joshua 24:19
Then Joshua said to the people, “You will not be able to serve the Lord, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgression or your sins.
Mark 12: 28-29
28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?”
29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
We have accept the Christ and even one step ahead from Jesus so called "guided sheep". We Believe He us Christ and keep comandment. You accept Christ but behave according to Paul. You are Paul Sheep not Jesus. Shame on you cross worshiper.
Ahmad deedat is in jannah.. he is our hero.. he lives forever..
David Wood's going to like this...
Like what?
Any particular part that he'd will like?
Perhaps you heard something i didn't.
😂😂😂
If Allah wanted to send his last message to humanity, why would he choose a defective script? why not choose Latin, Greek, Aramaic... Allah is not so clever. If we compare different Cor'ans 36 at least Arabic Cor'an they are different not only by copyist errors but also by dogma fundamental. Allah commits himself to preserve the Cor'an (Coran, 15 : 9). Obviously, he failed. Islam is an Abbasid construction and redaction.
Arabic is an amazing languange. Look to your English and see how many Arab words in there. 🙈
Christian desperately trying to find trinity in Quran. Bcz they Fabricated Bible doesn't have it. 🙈🤣
Gzues dont speak greek.. 😂
my name is Shabir Ally, and my sect is called ‘westernized islam’
@@PardesiBabux new ideas.? More like wrong ideas. Bunch of quranists who try to sync to western values.
Shabir Ally is too scared to debate CP because he knows his career will end devastatingly!!!
@Muscle Man bwahahahhah order fifi to call CP in his channel abdool!!!
No because he is an asa-like nut
Who is CP?
Christian Prince
@@Ox1326 The man is an absolute travesty. He is crude, disrespectful and ignorant. Truly insufferable. He sounds like a Lebanese carpet seller.
“They get distracted” “skip a line” “doodle” “difference in spelling”. You were so very close to saying the Quran is not completely preserved.
If I have multiple manuscripts and 1/10 skips a line here, 1/20 skip a word here, 1/5 skip a letter there, you can still preserve it using a majority approach. This is a concept used in software engineering (hadoop distributed storage and processing for example) by companies like Facebook and Google. More importantly, the Quran is more a verbal recitation than a written book, only written for further transmission. There are millions of memorizers across the globe today, many of whom have a chain of teaching up to the Prophets companions that learned it first hand. They would memorize it perfectly as soon as it was recited to them. However, no amount of explanation will be enough for people whose hearts are sealed.
NaanPizza - that’s acceptable, however the criticism only arises due to the earlier position held of perfect preservation where not a single world, dot and curve was changed.
Also hearts are not hardened due to Quranic preservation issue - that’s acceptable, however Muhammad’s ethical and moral disposition is not acceptable.
@@Smile100-r3s but the words are exact the same... he also states that in the video. What they did not use then were the added symbols, what is new and used in modern arabic to make it easy for the readers.
MeM - Dr Ally clearly states in this video Quran remains “fairly intact” admits to variations - which do not impact of belief or practice. Also words were “added for clarity”. Watch from 16mins to the end.
ua-cam.com/video/FJVKcfHpoIQ/v-deo.html
@@Smile100-r3s "Also hearts are not hardened due to Quranic preservation issue......... ethical and moral disposition is not acceptable."
Explain this.
The core tenets of Christianity are never in question, 1- The Son of God was crucified and died for our sins, 2- The Son of God resurrected and ascended into heaven, 3- The Son of God will come again and judge the world!
Many christians dont believe jesus is the son of god
4- Jesus will return and break the cross.
@@mpdcuk the koran did not even predicted that Mohammed piss be upon him will be poisoned by a jew or predicted the murders of fatima, ali, hassan and hussein by his ummah or predicted that arabs will make peace with Israel or the Jews ... what kind of a holy book is your koran ... meaningless ...
@@normanraguindin3404 CURSE BE UPON YOU
@@kafi2464 In Jesus name, I love and bless you!
There are so many angry non Muslims in the comments 😂