How European Kings Defeated their Nobles: Irish RESPONSE
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- This video is a Irish RESPONSE to "How European Kings Defeated their Nobles" my sources are seen below and enjoy.
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sources:
'Ireland Corporate of Itself': The Parliament of 1460
Author(s): James Lydon
Source: History Ireland , Summer, 1995, Vol. 3, No. 2 (Summer, 1995), pp. 9-12
Government, war and society in medieval Ireland
Essays by Edmund Curtis, A.J. Otway-Ruthven and James Lydon pg 101.
Edwards, David (2010). Age of Atrocity: Violence and Political Conflict in Early Modern Ireland. Four Courts Press.
Richard Bagwell, Ireland under the Tudors 3 vols. (London, 1885-1890)
John O'Donovan (ed.) Annals of Ireland by the Four Masters (1851).
Calendar of State Papers: Carew MSS. 6 vols (London, 1867-1873).
Calendar of State Papers: Ireland (London)
Nicholas Canny The Elizabethan Conquest of Ireland (Dublin, 1976); Kingdom and Colony (2002).
Nicholas Canny, Making Ireland British
Steven G. Ellis Tudor Ireland (London, 1985)
Hiram Morgan Tyrone's Rebellion (1995).
Standish O'Grady (ed.) "Pacata Hibernia" 2 vols. (London, 1896)
James O'Neill The Nine Years War, 1593-1603: O'Neill, Mountjoy and the military revolution (Dublin, 2017)
Cyril Falls Elizabeth's Irish Wars (1950; reprint London, 1996)
Colm Lennon Sixteenth century Ireland
Great rebuttal, and great point about Irish history not only been forgotten but actively ignored or changed, for the sake of simplification. Couldn't have put it better myself!
Huge thanks man, for the support.
@@IrishMedievalHistory No problem! Looking forward to more videos!
Well done!
Thanks man!
wales too had its own * war of the roses*
the rivarly bettween the
herbet dynasty of raglan castle,, in the south, their ancestors kings of gwent, also they were the stewards of the the house of york*.
*( the house of york , ancestor was Princess gwladu ddu or gladys the black from gwynedd in the north*, via anne mortimer*)
and the ap tewdars , who were senchals or sherifts in the north, with prince rhys and lord rhys tewdar as their ancestors, having lands in gwynedd, ceredigon, dyfed in the west of wales too,...
ironically the tudors were relatives to the fitzgeralds of kildare, also to Prince Owen glendower the welsh ruler 1400 to 1415..
in open rebellion to the roman church and henry bolinbroke Henry IV of lancaster...
the avigon- roman schism
Reynold Grey, 3rd Baron Grey of Ruthyn (c. 1362 - 1440)
a norman marcher lord , ( ancestor to queen jane grey*)
in a land dispute with welsh nobles...that turned into a major crisis for the monarchy, with both mortimers and percys involved ,.... from 1399 to 1415...
also another usless and hated grey*
Henry Grey, 4th Baron Grey of Codnor (1435 - April 1496) the most uselss english * lord deputy of ireland....
, henry V was born in wales...and henry IV was very hated.... for the anti welsh penal laws of 1400....
being lancastrian and originallly supporters of richard II,.
this complicated the relationship, between the butlers and tudors and the fitzgeralds and henry VII and Henry VIII...
owain ap tewdar married queen catherine of valois, so their children edmund and jasper..
were related to the dukes of brittany, king of france, the fitzgeralds of kildare and the lancastrian king Henry VI...
The norman butlers did have a * welsh * branch of their family, but both the noble familes and 2 rivals herberts and tudors , did not pay much attention to their genalogy or rank ,
other than the de clares and marshal familes, in connection to the invasion of ireland by the hated normans , who had occupied parts of wales since 1099, in opposition to the native welsh princes, kings and nobility...
i am no academic, but knew that a king edward of york* rex hibernae...
was crowned in ireland at dublin cathederal, belived to be lambert simmnel, by the bishop of meath , with the irish nobilty in attendance...
this event, gave henry VII , nearly a cardiac arrest, and possibly favoured briefly the butlers, but the fitzgeralds were to *powerful and imporant*,
Statute of Drogheda... comes about from mistrust with both the fitzgeralds and the complicated relationship with the butlers, native irish rulers....
to be all arrested and executed, besides japser tudor- told his nephew king henry VI of the family connection, also the support for york on condition of the * irish gaelic parliment and rights being respected,
also in no unceratain terms was the earl of kildare to rebel ever again, Elizabeth St. John, daughter of Oliver St. John of Lydiard Tregoze,
a cousin of Henry VII, the 8th earl wife, was possbly a garuntee of (Gearóid Mór (An tIarla Mór) being trusted with running ireland as its uncrowned king..
later still henry VIII, who was a tyrant, had no affinty to ireland or wales, totally forgott his own family connections, not only executed his cousin *silken thomas the earl of kildare...
and his welsh catholic cousin...Lord rhys ap gruffydd , who ironically was married to lady catherine howard cousin to ann boleyn and queen catherine howard..
2 relatives executed in the tower of london, together with many others, during the period of 1530 to 1537..
also major catholic rebellion in the north of england, reformation, divorce of queen catherine of aragon (...henry VIII cousin... to marry his other cousins....
ann boleyn, jane seymour, catherine howard * parr..
henry VIII nephew was king james V and his cousins charles V, PhiliP II and king Francis I,
henry becomes king of ireland, removes wales from the map entirely in 1536.. its language and laws are abolished by thomas cromwell...
a new 13 counties is based on *norman or english charters*
a relative of crowmell, oliver cromwell..reforms ireland and is a hated figure by the irish,
tries making ireland ,
into 4 countiies .ulster, lenister,connacht,munster
.totally ignoring catholic and mediveval native irish rulers and lands. ,
Not until the 1540s did the ruling O'Brien dynasty come under English rule.
That's a good bit of study in there, thank you so much for the feedback.
Il come back to this when on the loo
@@consean9938 hahaha do.
The point at c. 1:23 mark is one of the really big problems with "Kings and Generals": none of their script or narrative can be properly sourced, ever. Some channels will have in-video citations onscreen, others will have a narrator or host make references, some will have extensive transcriptions and/or show notes with citations, etc., but "Kings and Generals" (K&G) doesn't do any of that. The most that K&G does for sourcing is, sometimes, in certain episodes, the script will mention a source. The problem is that when K&G does this, such source is in isolation, and is always (in every case I've seen them do so at least) divorced from any modern source scrutiny or peer review. It'd be like mentioning Gerald of Wales as the sole source to prove a point in the video, in isolation to any later scholarship or critique of Gerald's assertion, without any cross referencing, and then the script says "the sources prove blah blah blah," that sort of thing.
I called K&G to account on a particualry poor video they did over a year ago, and ended up asking them directly for source list. They never provided one. Though at first they acted like it wouldn't be an issue, they vacillated on that, and it apparently became an issue as our conversation went further. It was a very strange interaction.
The scary thing with K&G's videos, is that it is typifying of the new form of "edutainment" that prevails today. In other words, it's digestable, popular, *but*, people think they're getting A1, top level info regards the historical content too, which makes it dangerous, ie. "Oh I don't need to read about Q, because I watched a K&G vid on Q." Twenty or so years ago, we had stuff like "History Channel" and "Public Broadcasting" in the U.S.A. doing that, now we have stuff like K&G.
The thing is, channels like K&G are arguably *worse* then stuff such as History Channel was, because you at least had to sit down in front of a TV back in the day to get such "history lessons," whereas nowadays with UA-cam et al people can be sitting in a classroom or lecture hall, taking a walk, riding the bus, etc., and be getting their "history lesson." Video-streaming content is both more accessible and more relentless, making for that much more of an ignorant or propagandized population, one that has been "edutained" and is walking around with a false sense of "knowing about Q." If anyone doubts that, just check out the comment thread under a typical K&G video.
Ya, lack of source is a right pain. I've sent them a few comments as well only to be ignored.
Hell the video just ignored many of the internal conflicts, rebellions and pretenders to the Tudor monarchy as well. It's an era that as far as the military is concerned, is very under represented.
Like I am an American, only battles or conflicts you hear about this era are Flodden, the Spanish armada. And something or another happening on the borders with Scotland and rebellion in Ireland. Wasn't tell I did a deep dive over the past few years while in lock down into medieval/renaissance England did I start to learn more about the subjects you touched on. The information isn't hidden, but you have to be interested in it, and want to hunt for it. Maybe offer to give the K&G crew a history of Irish conflicts and warriors of the past. I mean everyone know about the English Longbow men, Scottish clans..etc.
Maybe they can do some videos on the Kerns and Gallowglass.
I have written a few comments to K&C and a few others and they just ignorn and move on.
It's grand for them but my problem is that now people believe Ireland was under English control in that era. As I pointed out at the end with Britian and Ireland in thin ice again with the North of Ireland it's not a good thing to be doing videos under mining Irish history.
Yeah your right, sadly history is still happening and being made. And things like nationals boundaries, trade, treaties and historical problems of the past. Can lead to ugly futures for us in the present.
I once remember as a teenager back in 2001 complaining about how the world was boring and how I wished something would happen. And now I wish the things would settle down just a bit. I would like some boring times please. 😅
@@CommissarMoody1 2001, what a crazy year. Recall where I was that day it all kicked off. Just coming home from school when I was told.
That's just for "England" too. Scholars who focus on Spain and Iberia, France, HRE, etc. would have similar critiques of that K&G episode regards those areas.
The idea of HRE being all shaded in as one country with a ruling monarch is pretty cringey, first of all. Showing most of Iberia shaded in as "one kingdom" is total oversimplification: the 'cortes system,' Visigothic legal institutions, the different princes of Iberia having 'primus inter paeres' in the major realms, eg
Galicia, Pamplona, free cities, etc.
It just goes on and on.
England you mean east wales . Wales you mean east ireland . The american wait whats wales and ireland . Jump em . Loonytoons tornado inssues . Great video bud .
This why I love hockey and baseball. 😁
We Aussies know where Ireland is on the map mate
No fear there.
Non spam/bot comment 🤣. Good video ✌️
They are helping with my youtube algorithm, so am not giving out.
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@@consean9938 that's it.
Xvids or Irish history vids hmmm fk it history's more interesting
Love the old history.