A Factorial Equation | n! = 6!7!

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 51

  • @stephenshefsky5201
    @stephenshefsky5201 28 днів тому +31

    It is easy to solve the problem by showing that 6! = 8*9*10. But there is a more elegant solution. Since 6!7! cannot contain the prime factor 11, we know that n < 11. Furthermore, 6!7! contains 5^2, which implies that n >= 10. Therefore, 10

    • @hmkl6813
      @hmkl6813 28 днів тому +3

      🤓☝️you need to verify it works(just leaft it as a reminder, since i fucked this part up way too often)

    • @6bq7aez80
      @6bq7aez80 23 дні тому

      Vous démontrez fort bien que si n existe il vaut 10 mais existe-t-il? Peut être bien que oui peut être bien que non.
      Il faut donc alors en plus appliquer votre première méthode par regroupement des facteurs de 6! ou sortir la calculette.
      La logique appliquée à ces problèmes sur les entiers est souvent élégante pourvu qu'elle soit vraiment logique.
      Votre seconde solution parait séduisante mais elle est boiteuse en l'état.

  • @Beathan64
    @Beathan64 28 днів тому +5

    Quick way is to combine digits from 6! as follows: 2x4=8, 3x5x6=90=9x10, so 6!=8x9x10 In conclusion 7! x 6! = 7! x8x9x10 = 10!, so n=10

  • @peshepard412
    @peshepard412 28 днів тому +5

    Maybe leave 7! alone. Then work with 6! to make 8, 9 and 10.

  • @YAWTon
    @YAWTon 28 днів тому +3

    Easy: 11 is not a factor of the LHS, so n

  • @FisicTrapella
    @FisicTrapella 28 днів тому +3

    You just have to recombine the factorization of 6!; or in a general case, the factorization of the minor factor.

    • @dorienjames5276
      @dorienjames5276 27 днів тому

      An interesting question whether there is a general case, or indeed any other case, where the product of successive integers greater than 2 is itself a factorial.

    • @FisicTrapella
      @FisicTrapella 27 днів тому

      A general case would be n! = k! p! where n, k and p are integers and k>p.
      To find n we just have to recombine the factorization of p to add consecutive factors to k: (k + 1), (k +2), ... => n = (k + k') => n! = (k + k')(k + k' -1)···(k + 1)k!
      Notice that we must use all the factors in the factorization of p, and we have some limitations, as said i the video:
      n must be greater than k
      n can't be prime

  • @MrSivilla
    @MrSivilla 28 днів тому +1

    6! X 7!= (1x2x3x4x5x6) X (1×2×3×4×5×6×7) = (1x2x3x4x5x6) X (1x2x3x(2x2)x5x(2x3)×7) = (1x2x3x4x5x6)x(7×(2×2×2)×(3×3)×(2×5)) =10!

  • @nasrullahhusnan2289
    @nasrullahhusnan2289 28 днів тому

    n!=6!7! --> n>7
    6!=6×5×4×3×2×1
    =(3×2)×5×(4×2)×3
    =(2×5)(3×3)(4×2)
    =10×9×8
    Therefore n!=10×9×8×7!
    =10! --> n=10

  • @jesusalej1
    @jesusalej1 28 днів тому +1

    N cannot be 12! bc there will be an 11. N cannot be bigger than 10. After 7, there are only composite numbers.

  • @jarikosonen4079
    @jarikosonen4079 27 днів тому

    N=10, 1:23 said n can be 12, but it could not or 11 as a prime would be missing in the factorial.
    So: N>7, n

  • @adamrussell658
    @adamrussell658 28 днів тому +1

    12! includes 11 which is not in 6! or 7!, so n cant be 12, and in fact must be less than 11

  • @wonghonkongjames4495
    @wonghonkongjames4495 27 днів тому

    Good Morning,Sir
    Starting from 8 if divided by 7!,then 8*9*...*n = 6! = 720
    Now 8*9 = 72,then n = 10
    Good Luck
    James 08-14-2024
    There's another alternative here,since n must be less than 11 because 11 is a prime number
    But 8 and 9 are less than 100,therefore the only possible outcome is 10,if without calculation

  • @RyanLewis-Johnson-wq6xs
    @RyanLewis-Johnson-wq6xs 26 днів тому +1

    n!=6!7! 6!7!=3628800 10!=3628800 n=10

  • @tejpalsingh366
    @tejpalsingh366 28 днів тому +2

    I think this is stupid n leanthy way ... lets dig in quickly
    n (n-1)(n-2) (n-3)! = 720 (7!)
    n = 10 on simple comarison

    • @rickdesper
      @rickdesper 28 днів тому

      This is a 30-second problem expanded into a 9-minute video.

  • @malabikasaha2452
    @malabikasaha2452 26 днів тому

    6!7! is 100 x m, m is integer. So the closest 100th integer multiple is 10!. Number theory arguments are better, I feel.

  • @rickdesper
    @rickdesper 28 днів тому

    OK, so n!/7! = 6!, which is an integer. I start by noting n < 11, as 11 does not divide 6!. On the other hand, 5 divides 6!, so 5 must also divide n!/7!. So n must be 10. Sure enough, 10*9*8 = 720 = 6!.

  • @barakathaider6333
    @barakathaider6333 28 днів тому

    👍

  • @MarsRover75
    @MarsRover75 28 днів тому

    since it's not a general solution for n! = a!b!, IMHO solving the reverse problem n!*m! = 10! is a more interesting one (because we need to find 2 variables)

  • @ToanPham-wr7xe
    @ToanPham-wr7xe 25 днів тому

    😮

  • @jamildedhia4231
    @jamildedhia4231 28 днів тому +1

    You had solved this exact same before

  • @ruudvermeij5565
    @ruudvermeij5565 27 днів тому

    The trivial cases are:
    n! (n!-1)! = n!!
    Examples of the trivial cases:
    2!1! = 2!
    3!5! = 6!
    4!23! = 24!
    5!119! = 120!
    6!719! = 720!
    The movie contains a non-trivial case
    6!7! = 10!
    I found no other non-trivial examples (with a Python program, but I didn't get very far...). Do any other exist?
    Note another non-trivial fact:
    3! weeks = 10! seconds

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  16 днів тому

      Wow! That's amazing. Thanks for sharing

  • @EcStAsY-o7
    @EcStAsY-o7 27 днів тому

    N=10

  • @rakenzarnsworld2
    @rakenzarnsworld2 28 днів тому

    n = 10

  • @scottleung9587
    @scottleung9587 28 днів тому

    I got n=10.

  • @gregwochlik9233
    @gregwochlik9233 28 днів тому

    I got 10! by guess and check with the aid of a calculator.

  • @JoseFernandes-js7ep
    @JoseFernandes-js7ep 28 днів тому

    It could be simpler.

  • @kuldeeptiwari7171
    @kuldeeptiwari7171 28 днів тому

    Good evening sir ji

  • @broytingaravsol
    @broytingaravsol 28 днів тому

    i made this recently, n=10

  • @yedemon
    @yedemon 28 днів тому

    Oh··· as a programer, at the first view, it reads as "n not equals 6!7!". 😅,Sorry if being rude.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  13 днів тому +1

      No! You're fine 😄

  • @nilavakar8068
    @nilavakar8068 28 днів тому

    10

  • @vladimirkaplun5774
    @vladimirkaplun5774 28 днів тому

    Trivial. n!/6!=7*8*9*10*....n , n can not be more than 10 because RHS is not divisible by 11.and can not be less than 10 because it needs 5 as a divider , Hence 10 is the only candidate.
    Not trivial. are there any other m,n that n!=m!*(m+1)!. Or more general n1=m1*k1.: 6!=5!*3! - Something else?

    • @user-ki4hm3sg9f
      @user-ki4hm3sg9f 28 днів тому +2

      n! = m!(m+1)!
      The only solutions are (n, m) = (10, 6) or (2, 1).
      Proof:
      Starting from the equation n! = m!(m+1)!, we derive that n(n-1)...(m+2) = m! (Equation 1).
      Let q be the largest prime number such that q ≤ n. Since q cannot be a factor on both sides of Equation 1, it follows that q = m + 1.
      Next, let p be the largest prime number such that 3p ≤ n. If p > 3, then p, 2p, and 3p cannot all be factors of either side of Equation 1. Thus, p ≤ 3, and n < 15. Consequently, q can be one of 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, or 13.
      Given that q = m + 1, we have n! = q!(q-1)! (Equation 2).
      Now, consider the following cases:
      ‣Case 1: If n = q, then q-1 = 1, giving us (n, q) = (2, 2).
      ‣Case 2: If q = 3, 5, 11, 13, then by the definition of q, n = q + 1. In this case, q + 1 = (q-1)! (Equation 3). If q > 3, then q + 1 = (q-1)! > (q-1) * 2 = 2q - 2, which contradicts q > 3. Therefore, the only candidate is q = 3, but in this case, Equation 3 does not hold.
      ‣Case 3: If q = 7, the possible values for n are n = 8, 9, 10 based on the definition of q. The right-hand side of Equation 2 is divisible by 5^2, so 10 ≤ n must hold. Therefore, the only candidate is n = 10, and in this case, Equation 2 is satisfied.
      Thus, the possible pairs are (n, q) = (10, 7) or (2, 2). Therefore, the solutions are (n, m) = (10, 6) or (2, 1).

    • @vladimirkaplun5774
      @vladimirkaplun5774 28 днів тому +1

      @@user-ki4hm3sg9f More interesting than the original on from Syber indeed.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  13 днів тому

      Nice!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  13 днів тому

      I agree

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  13 днів тому

      good!

  • @vbregier
    @vbregier 28 днів тому

    8 minutes to do something that should take 30 seconds…