I attended high school in South Africa and it's absolutely wild that this particular project was never mentioned along with the rest of the TRC material. There is a huge emphasis in SA on trying to move forward from the past and be a wonderful rainbow nation, but ultimately it's just guilding a whole society and government that badly needs an overhaul
One time I tried to flex how awful my country is, but I made the mistake of doing that in from of a South African, who wasn’t impressed by our level of horrible racist police, lack of healthcare, and decades on decades of apartheid…
@@OsirisLordRhodesia and/or De Beers, both of them immediately have "Oh fuck" It's ALMOST as bad as when Robert asks Sophiya how she feels about baby murder, like it's immediately an indication of just how bad things are gonna be
Tom Lehrer, the professor and musician referenced at about the 48 minute mark, much like robert, has a very specific opinion on Henry Kissinger. I believe the quote is "Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."
Let's not forget that in Canada, (and I'm willing to bet other colonized nations) Indigenous women are STILL being forced and coerced into sterilization.
It's rare nowadays at least, and actually a crime like people go to jail for it now. It still happens too often but at least when it happens the doctors tend to get in massive shit, though not always. It's always an important distinction imo, cos a lot of forced sterilization throughout history was state endorsed or at least state ignored. Nowadays it's state forbidden, which is progress.
It really pisses me off that all our best produce goes to the export market and we have to settle for the crappy second-rate shit. Also, fun fact, I just looked him up and his practice is a half-hour drive from my house.
He's great! I've been listening to a lot of the pods with him on, purely by chance, since I discovered the pod not long ago. And recently I found myself unwittingly picking up his accent on certain words - a habit that gets me into trouble cos folks tend to think I'm taking the piss (and I get it, but I don't notice it happening) but luckily it was while I was mostly around folks who wouldn't notice anyway. Not as bad as when I visit a foreign place and unwittingly pick up the local dialect or a bit of pidgin. (Major cringe, I know! I've learned to keep myself alert for that. But that doesn't stop my internal voice from sounding like ole B. Wayne Davis! Haha.)
The reason I think chemical weapons hit such like a nerve with people of how horrific they are in warfare. Is that basically every other form of warfare is an extension of throwing a rock at someone. Just different forms of rock and how you throw it. But chemical weapons really take the humanity out of war. (I know that seems like an oxymoron, but still)
Chemical weapons aren't well-suited for military doctrines. Poisoning your enemy en-masse or using firebombs to destroy their habitat is a doctrine of genocide.
Just as a minor correction Afrikaans isn't really a foreign language, at worst it's a creole language that came about via language mixing (It's roots are Germanic, specifically Dutch, but it borrows from Arabic, local pidgin dialects, English) and was spoken by vast swathes of our population (ie. the Griqua peoples, the Cape Coloured community and some Malay groups) before it was enforced as a language of instruction in the country. Source: I'm South African and have a parent whose degree and area of expertise involves the history of SA, the Dutch language and Afrikaans in general (also an Afrikaans first language speaker). I'm only bringing this up because it's a common misconception amongst those without any background in Linguistics or history (something I'm currently studying and learning more about every day). Final minor thing: you got Wouter's first name's pronunciation correct, but messed up on his surname - it's said "bah-sohn", not"ba-sun". Anyway, pretty good video otherwise.
Thank you for that info! So is Wouter a Dutch name? And this may be silly, but is there a Dutch language rule or anything as for when a W has a V sound or a W proper? With names or with the language itself? (And I know that Afrikaans is not the same as Dutch - not only cos you just said it, heh - but I'm curious, and maybe you might know. I do apologise if it's a silly question.)
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens it's not a silly question my friend. As I understand it the name is Dutch in origin, it's basically their version of Walter but it's also used in South Africa since Afrikaans borrows a lot of Dutch names (Pieter for example).
I kind of love the mental image of a bunch of scientists furtively gathering in a park at night to build a spaceship. "Hey, you got the stuff?" "Right here, man, premium titanium aluminide."
In case anyone is wondering whether an anti-pregnancy vaccine is possible, it absolutely is. There are several currently for feral horses, feral pigs, and other animals whose populations need to be controlled but don’t necessarily need to wiped out. Kinda gross to look at humans like they’re no different than an overpopulated wild animal, Apartheid South Africa was racist on a level that’s nuts
I got assigned to a historical security council when I did model UN in high school. I was Belarus, we were simulating 1973, our main issue was Cyprus. But our big midnight crisis was about African decolonization, with somebody coming in to speak on behalf of apartheid South Africa and then - we all agree he tripped and fell on the knife the representative from SWAPO just happened to be carrying. What a shame. Anyway Independence for colonized parts of Africa was the only thing we could agree on, and we voted to endorse Namibian Independence unanimously. Couldn't agree on Cyprus, but we were very sure about that issue.
"we all agreed he tripped and fell" This reminds me of a real life town where a guy was gunned down while standing in front of a violent and angry mob. EVERYONE knows what happened, however his death was never really investigated because no one would say a fucking thing to the cops. To be clear, this wasn't like an innocent black guy got lynched, he was a menace to society, dangerous, and had sexually assaulted at least a couple people. The town basically got together and decided next time he was in town (he lived nearby on a ranch type deal) he wasn't walking out. He was warned people were planning this. He showed up, he didn't think anyone had the balls. Turns out, half the town had the balls and the other half had enough balls to keep their mouths shut and see nothing.
Ken Rex McElroy. He had 20 indictments including stat rape and kiddie stuff. He got off every time, presumably by threatening witnesses/jurors. He finally was successfully charged with attempted murder, got out on bond, threatened the town, and got killed. No one called an ambulance (not even his fucking wife who was in the truck next to him) and most interesting to me is the county Sheriff explicitly left town in his cruiser AFTER they knew he was coming into town. Very much looked like even the Sheriff was like "i need plausible deniability wait till I'm out of the town pls" but otherwise wasn't against the killing beyond a superficial "you really shouldn't but I won't actually stop you"
The intro reminded me of my ap lit teacher who had a pirate sword as an hierloom (his family member stole it from a pirate and then after being kiehulled earned their respect by not dying according to him).
Whenever thats true, even if thats not what happened it probably still has an interesting story. Ok i am not sure if the not dying was it or another probably interesting. ok i know sea people can be very liberal and extragate. Still cool
@@marocat4749I have no idea if it's true but all the following generations also had type of "cool sword story" with the sword, and I hazard to the more rescent ones are probably true
Exactly. And as for being legal at the time, that should have been horseshit... wasn't the point of the Hague whacking top Nazis to actually set the precedent "you can't do this shit?"
My grampa was also in 'Nam and he came back with a whole lot of weird shit, including a strong distaste for rice, and this real thin cane thing he carved. He never really told me what it was for, other than it wasnt for walking with. Itd snap if you put your weight on it.
Poking / prodding for mines or booby traps I'd think. The idea is a light stick won't trip the trigger / collapse the trap, so you can carefully forage about with something that isn't your foot. Least, that would be my guess from the vietnam-era memoires I read. Vietnam had a lot of booby traps, mines etc buried in the brush so having a fairly safe way to fiddle with things or move brush aside was useful. Any old stick would do but if you wanna trust your life to this thing, you might as well make it special, as it might be the last thing you see. Just a guess though; I am not an expert.
@@Virjunior01 She's not talking about the movie, but the book. It's so good, and completely different than the very lame movie that stole its name. Sadly i forget the specifics of what went down in SA in the story, but i do remember that it was truly horrendous, and the architect of the plan ended up going nuts due to guilt. Highly recommend reading it. I think i gotta reread it now that i realize ive forgotten such a big part of it.
@@stinkytoy cool. Might try and slam through it... I still have the get on the books that _The Expanse_ was based on. The show was amazing, so I can only imagine how good those books are
I don't think it's at all surprising that a cardiologist would become the leading chemical weapons expert, because they would have knowledge pertinent to making chemical weapons effective. If I wanted to develop a chemical weapon, Dr. Oz would be one of the first people I called (and not just because he'd probably be down for it).
So they had 3 methods of disposing bodies to never be found again 1. Drop from plane into sea to feed the sharks and never be seen again. 2. Blast Furnaces throw in the bodies and only thing left are ashes. 3. A SHALLOW GRAVE. Just drop them on the ground throw a little bit of dirt on them maybe a leaf. Yeah... one of those isn't like the others.
@@platedlizard I was referencing a Norm MacDonald joke called "Shallow Grave". It's here on UA-cam I recommend listening to it from the legend himself. I agree though method 1 is certainly the VIP treatment. Method 2 is for those that might cause you some trouble if their bodies turned up and 3 is for nobodies that don't have any influence if someone finds them.
technically ther are alternative ways to cremitate people, hydro dedydration is a thingm, and ther are green buriaks that intentionally decompose as part of, being green. bodies cremated are filled with so much chemicals. Henge why there is a hydro alternative now. Through i suppose hydro cremetation still counts.
I can sort of understand not charging him for the murders or the attempted genocide. I don't agree with it but I can sort of understand given the politics. But he was caught with a garbage bag full of MDMA, that has to have been worth some jail time.
@@ystraight6178 Clear Channel did not pay their podcast guests. Billy thought that wasn't the greatest. Things were said in private between who knows who. Now Behind the Bastards pays regular guests $75 an episode, and Billy is done with the show.
I love the fact I now know Rob Evans knows about Tom Leher. He's an incredible comedian (obligatory "might not have aged well" disclosure. I don't agree with asshole-ish values and views)
I get that it's probably not common knowledge in the US, but the Southern Cross is a constellation, the most prominent one in the southern hemisphere's skies. This is a bit like saying that naming something after the North Star or the Big Dipper sounds racist lmfao
Double meanings are a thing. In the context of South Africa it definitely reads as suspicious to me even though I was already aware of the constellation.
I attended high school in South Africa and it's absolutely wild that this particular project was never mentioned along with the rest of the TRC material. There is a huge emphasis in SA on trying to move forward from the past and be a wonderful rainbow nation, but ultimately it's just guilding a whole society and government that badly needs an overhaul
Historical revisionists have a vested interest in writing school history books
Which is also a way for these people to avoid accountability.
One time I tried to flex how awful my country is, but I made the mistake of doing that in from of a South African, who wasn’t impressed by our level of horrible racist police, lack of healthcare, and decades on decades of apartheid…
"Have you ever heard of Rhodesia?"
Oh f*ck, here we go.
Nothing good comes after that question.
@@OsirisLordRhodesia and/or De Beers, both of them immediately have "Oh fuck"
It's ALMOST as bad as when Robert asks Sophiya how she feels about baby murder, like it's immediately an indication of just how bad things are gonna be
Tom Lehrer, the professor and musician referenced at about the 48 minute mark, much like robert, has a very specific opinion on Henry Kissinger. I believe the quote is "Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."
Love Tom Lehrer. Guy deserves so much acclaim. Had an amazing output in just a few short years.b
Let's not forget that in Canada, (and I'm willing to bet other colonized nations) Indigenous women are STILL being forced and coerced into sterilization.
It's rare nowadays at least, and actually a crime like people go to jail for it now. It still happens too often but at least when it happens the doctors tend to get in massive shit, though not always.
It's always an important distinction imo, cos a lot of forced sterilization throughout history was state endorsed or at least state ignored. Nowadays it's state forbidden, which is progress.
It really pisses me off that all our best produce goes to the export market and we have to settle for the crappy second-rate shit. Also, fun fact, I just looked him up and his practice is a half-hour drive from my house.
Drive by
My most tepid take: BWD is the best guest host 👌 ❤️ makes me extra excited to listen when I hear his voice!
love me some billy wayne davis! already a great show...cheers to casting!
He's great! I've been listening to a lot of the pods with him on, purely by chance, since I discovered the pod not long ago. And recently I found myself unwittingly picking up his accent on certain words - a habit that gets me into trouble cos folks tend to think I'm taking the piss (and I get it, but I don't notice it happening) but luckily it was while I was mostly around folks who wouldn't notice anyway. Not as bad as when I visit a foreign place and unwittingly pick up the local dialect or a bit of pidgin. (Major cringe, I know! I've learned to keep myself alert for that. But that doesn't stop my internal voice from sounding like ole B. Wayne Davis! Haha.)
The reason I think chemical weapons hit such like a nerve with people of how horrific they are in warfare.
Is that basically every other form of warfare is an extension of throwing a rock at someone. Just different forms of rock and how you throw it.
But chemical weapons really take the humanity out of war. (I know that seems like an oxymoron, but still)
Yeah, it's nerve-wracking stuff
Chemical weapons aren't well-suited for military doctrines. Poisoning your enemy en-masse or using firebombs to destroy their habitat is a doctrine of genocide.
Chemical weapons promote vitriolic behavior.
Just as a minor correction Afrikaans isn't really a foreign language, at worst it's a creole language that came about via language mixing (It's roots are Germanic, specifically Dutch, but it borrows from Arabic, local pidgin dialects, English) and was spoken by vast swathes of our population (ie. the Griqua peoples, the Cape Coloured community and some Malay groups) before it was enforced as a language of instruction in the country. Source: I'm South African and have a parent whose degree and area of expertise involves the history of SA, the Dutch language and Afrikaans in general (also an Afrikaans first language speaker). I'm only bringing this up because it's a common misconception amongst those without any background in Linguistics or history (something I'm currently studying and learning more about every day).
Final minor thing: you got Wouter's first name's pronunciation correct, but messed up on his surname - it's said "bah-sohn", not"ba-sun". Anyway, pretty good video otherwise.
Thank you for that info!
So is Wouter a Dutch name? And this may be silly, but is there a Dutch language rule or anything as for when a W has a V sound or a W proper? With names or with the language itself? (And I know that Afrikaans is not the same as Dutch - not only cos you just said it, heh - but I'm curious, and maybe you might know. I do apologise if it's a silly question.)
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens it's not a silly question my friend. As I understand it the name is Dutch in origin, it's basically their version of Walter but it's also used in South Africa since Afrikaans borrows a lot of Dutch names (Pieter for example).
@@MrBromansa Thank you very much, my friend. I appreciate it!
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens Just spreading the good word of knowledge my friend!
South African whites shouldn't be allowed to breed.
I know the feeling, bud. I can't tell you how many times I wake up in the morning and go, Dammit, I'm Alex Carter. Again.
"Project Coast was slowly killed off?" It's how it would have wanted to go.
Of course Robert has done ethically-sourced MDMA.
Ethnically* 😢
I kind of love the mental image of a bunch of scientists furtively gathering in a park at night to build a spaceship. "Hey, you got the stuff?" "Right here, man, premium titanium aluminide."
In case anyone is wondering whether an anti-pregnancy vaccine is possible, it absolutely is. There are several currently for feral horses, feral pigs, and other animals whose populations need to be controlled but don’t necessarily need to wiped out. Kinda gross to look at humans like they’re no different than an overpopulated wild animal, Apartheid South Africa was racist on a level that’s nuts
So a vaccine for human pregnancy - period - could be created?
I got assigned to a historical security council when I did model UN in high school. I was Belarus, we were simulating 1973, our main issue was Cyprus. But our big midnight crisis was about African decolonization, with somebody coming in to speak on behalf of apartheid South Africa and then - we all agree he tripped and fell on the knife the representative from SWAPO just happened to be carrying. What a shame.
Anyway Independence for colonized parts of Africa was the only thing we could agree on, and we voted to endorse Namibian Independence unanimously. Couldn't agree on Cyprus, but we were very sure about that issue.
"we all agreed he tripped and fell"
This reminds me of a real life town where a guy was gunned down while standing in front of a violent and angry mob. EVERYONE knows what happened, however his death was never really investigated because no one would say a fucking thing to the cops. To be clear, this wasn't like an innocent black guy got lynched, he was a menace to society, dangerous, and had sexually assaulted at least a couple people. The town basically got together and decided next time he was in town (he lived nearby on a ranch type deal) he wasn't walking out. He was warned people were planning this. He showed up, he didn't think anyone had the balls. Turns out, half the town had the balls and the other half had enough balls to keep their mouths shut and see nothing.
Ken Rex McElroy. He had 20 indictments including stat rape and kiddie stuff. He got off every time, presumably by threatening witnesses/jurors. He finally was successfully charged with attempted murder, got out on bond, threatened the town, and got killed.
No one called an ambulance (not even his fucking wife who was in the truck next to him) and most interesting to me is the county Sheriff explicitly left town in his cruiser AFTER they knew he was coming into town. Very much looked like even the Sheriff was like "i need plausible deniability wait till I'm out of the town pls" but otherwise wasn't against the killing beyond a superficial "you really shouldn't but I won't actually stop you"
He was privately practicing medicine in Cape Town as of 2022.
The intro reminded me of my ap lit teacher who had a pirate sword as an hierloom (his family member stole it from a pirate and then after being kiehulled earned their respect by not dying according to him).
Whenever thats true, even if thats not what happened it probably still has an interesting story. Ok i am not sure if the not dying was it or another probably interesting.
ok i know sea people can be very liberal and extragate.
Still cool
@@marocat4749I have no idea if it's true but all the following generations also had type of "cool sword story" with the sword, and I hazard to the more rescent ones are probably true
That discussion of the Geneva Conventions at around 17 minutes hits a little different in early 2024
Exactly. And as for being legal at the time, that should have been horseshit... wasn't the point of the Hague whacking top Nazis to actually set the precedent "you can't do this shit?"
My grampa was also in 'Nam and he came back with a whole lot of weird shit, including a strong distaste for rice, and this real thin cane thing he carved. He never really told me what it was for, other than it wasnt for walking with. Itd snap if you put your weight on it.
Poking / prodding for mines or booby traps I'd think. The idea is a light stick won't trip the trigger / collapse the trap, so you can carefully forage about with something that isn't your foot. Least, that would be my guess from the vietnam-era memoires I read. Vietnam had a lot of booby traps, mines etc buried in the brush so having a fairly safe way to fiddle with things or move brush aside was useful. Any old stick would do but if you wanna trust your life to this thing, you might as well make it special, as it might be the last thing you see.
Just a guess though; I am not an expert.
@@ki3657Excellent guess.
So all my favorite 90s UK music came about through a war criminal trying to enrich himself?
I wonder what he's motivating people to do in those talks.
Listening to this and understanding the South African parts of World War Z a lot better
It's funny you say that. I read it way way back but yes I was thinking about that one chapter.
Never wanted to see it. What happened?
@@Virjunior01 She's not talking about the movie, but the book. It's so good, and completely different than the very lame movie that stole its name.
Sadly i forget the specifics of what went down in SA in the story, but i do remember that it was truly horrendous, and the architect of the plan ended up going nuts due to guilt.
Highly recommend reading it. I think i gotta reread it now that i realize ive forgotten such a big part of it.
@@stinkytoy cool. Might try and slam through it... I still have the get on the books that _The Expanse_ was based on. The show was amazing, so I can only imagine how good those books are
@@Virjunior01 love that show
20:40 My boss's dad worked on the Manhattan project. She said he later developed alcoholism out of guilt for being a part of it.
Ahh, Angola. Apparently they had Cubans fighting on the pro-Communist side. I only learned this when I was told about it by a Cuban, in Cuba.
Robert name drops Belgium.
Me a Belgian: O.0
Will robert talk about people responsible for terrifying failing safety measures in music festivals.
I don't think it's at all surprising that a cardiologist would become the leading chemical weapons expert, because they would have knowledge pertinent to making chemical weapons effective. If I wanted to develop a chemical weapon, Dr. Oz would be one of the first people I called (and not just because he'd probably be down for it).
The Southern Cross is a constellation visible from the southern hemisphere. It's on Australia's national flag
And every white in the global south ruined it with racism.
So they had 3 methods of disposing bodies to never be found again 1. Drop from plane into sea to feed the sharks and never be seen again. 2. Blast Furnaces throw in the bodies and only thing left are ashes. 3. A SHALLOW GRAVE. Just drop them on the ground throw a little bit of dirt on them maybe a leaf. Yeah... one of those isn't like the others.
The first two are for victims you don’t want found, the third is for those you just don’t want stinking up the place
@@platedlizard I was referencing a Norm MacDonald joke called "Shallow Grave". It's here on UA-cam I recommend listening to it from the legend himself.
I agree though method 1 is certainly the VIP treatment. Method 2 is for those that might cause you some trouble if their bodies turned up and 3 is for nobodies that don't have any influence if someone finds them.
technically ther are alternative ways to cremitate people, hydro dedydration is a thingm, and ther are green buriaks that intentionally decompose as part of, being green. bodies cremated are filled with so much chemicals.
Henge why there is a hydro alternative now.
Through i suppose hydro cremetation still counts.
Mandrax! Hamilton’s Pharmacopoeia! Its this guy!!
Guy starts as a genocidal monster and became a consensual drug dealer? He broke good?!
I can sort of understand not charging him for the murders or the attempted genocide. I don't agree with it but I can sort of understand given the politics. But he was caught with a garbage bag full of MDMA, that has to have been worth some jail time.
i miss Billy wayne sucks he won't do a another one with them
Did something happen to him since this episode?
Wait why not?? He's my favorite guest
@@ystraight6178 Clear Channel did not pay their podcast guests. Billy thought that wasn't the greatest. Things were said in private between who knows who. Now Behind the Bastards pays regular guests $75 an episode, and Billy is done with the show.
@Comrade Question I know nothing about the podcast, this is only my 3rd episode, but bad blood over 75 bucks? Did he know the deal up front?
I think Robert bought out the show and produces it thru rebel media. I hope that helped clear the air
Don't say that he's hypocritical. Just say that he's "a-political."
Howdy bastardinos?!
I love the fact I now know Rob Evans knows about Tom Leher. He's an incredible comedian (obligatory "might not have aged well" disclosure. I don't agree with asshole-ish values and views)
I get that it's probably not common knowledge in the US, but the Southern Cross is a constellation, the most prominent one in the southern hemisphere's skies. This is a bit like saying that naming something after the North Star or the Big Dipper sounds racist lmfao
Double meanings are a thing. In the context of South Africa it definitely reads as suspicious to me even though I was already aware of the constellation.
Y'all broke it by making everything racist.
It's specifically our experience with crosses added to the German "Iron Cross" medal awarded to Nazi veterans.
Swapo trap house
Can someone cut out the jibber-jabber and re-upload? Thanks in advance.
So in this context can we say he broke good?
The bit about Billy Wayne not being a failure has aged poorly
There is no difference between howitzers and chemical weapons. You are just nerds.
Tom Lehrer's still alive! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer