10% of players: “These Voodoo bastards tried to Dex-DeShawned me, got Evelyn, Jackie, and T-Bug killed, and constantly brushed off my need and seeing our deal through. All they care is about themselves and their community. Yeah, they deserve to be betrayed by me.” *90% of players: “That’s a...that’s a nice coat you got there, Placide.”*
Spoiler warning Placide technically tried to kill me, he didnt care that i could have died. And then Brigette or whatever her name is took me into the net and didnt give a shit about my goals....Yea..I sided with netwatch. And i was happy to see the voodo boys burn.
Yeah... They are dicks like that. I respect them for how loyal they are to their family and community, but that doesn't excuse them repeatedly trying to kill me.
Fist play through sided with the vdbs and then had the most satisfying damn gorilla arms beat down of everyone In the vicinity Damn that was satisfying, you just got out of the tub and with a phrase “I outta teach you” oneshot smack bridgette in the kisser
as much as i like this game i feel like this choice was really insignificant spoiler.. because i tried to be friendly with voodoo boys and it doesn't get u anything its only worth fighting them cause then u get some equipment at least vs just never interacting after those missions which is what happens when u side with them
I rejected Netwatch's offer because its was on me for being played by them in the first place and that I had to finish the job I was contracted to do but than I realize that they were the ones who burned Evelyn like how they tried to burn me and all their contractors. Along with learning from Alt that they weren't going honor their deal the second time around, when Brigitte says "you managed to survive" after waking up, that was the final straw.
My first time through I sided with NetWatch because the agent tells you about the VDB placing their tracker/whatever virus it was inside you to keep tabs on you beyond just Placide, and that he could remove it. Naturally, the VDB didn't know about this until NetWatch fried half of them and I murdered the rest. Plus, the whole "siding with rogue post Corpo war AIs to be on the winning side" bullshit (which NEVER works, ever) is too much. AIs in Cyberpunk are already powerful enough even with the Blackwall, as shown by Alt and the bastard manipulating the Peralezes. If there's more of them? No chance, son. Even Alt herself isn't bound by a moral compass anymore, even tells Johnny that the Alt he knew was gone. The AIs in the 2077 universe cannot be trusted. Well, maybe aside from Skippy the talking gun 😂
I killed the voodoo boys 'cause they're the reason why Evelyn, Jackie, and T bug died but I realized that we wouldn't even get that Biochip and most of the story if it weren't for the voodoo boys. Still no regrets 'cause I got a legendary jacket from Placide which has 4 mod slots damn lol
Evelyn is the reason Jackie and T bug died she only needed to give them the bd instead she hired us to get it for herself... I still killed them though
@@keece64 but you were getting the chip for dex anyways.... evelyns offer doesn't even matter... the reason all of this happened was yorinobu... he planned to use johnny to destroy arasaka himself... you stealing the chip from him ruined his plans... he was going to destroy arasaka at the cost of his own life... but you stole the chip instead... you find this out if you side with arasaka at the end of the game... that yorinobu had actually planned to destroy arasaka using johnny from the start.
@@arcanumelite4853 Damn, that's actually kinda poetic. Johnny and V were fighting for a future that would have been regardless(depends on ending) had Yorinobu's plans gone uninterrupted, and in the process keep V's and his/her friends' lives.
@@rumpledik2254 thats kinda the point... they didn't change anything (unless you side with arasaka for some stupid reason) everything they did was completely pointless...
This is why multiple saves are important. It gives you a chance to see how either choice plays out. I went with the netagent too, Placide was shady to me and pissing me off
@@AYCHMENG Then There’s No Reason If Your Gonna Pick Every Choice U Really Cheating Ya Self U Probably Played The Walking Dead And Reloaded When Ur Fav Character Died 😂😂😂
@@TypicalBlakk Walking Dead?! im talking about a glitchy game called CyberPunk where multiple saves could help you out, and you can see other choices in the moment if you choose. You making up your on convos with yourself or something.
@@viniciusmarchetti6924 he does that if you aim with the gun, if you simply walked in with gun he starts talking. In the middle of conversation I accidentally pressed the aim button and he stopped talking and started shooting.
Well my streetkid on first time sided with Voodoo boys only because of Jhonny and then shot them. But If I were V I would take Netwatch up on their offer. Streetkid or not Netwatch has a point. The voodoo boys have a habit of screwing people over and any other gang will just kill you. Voodoo boys will fry your brain and give you a fucking lobotomy like they did to Evelyn. Hell she betrayed them sure but they could have just killed her. Instead they left her a vegetable.
@@zondor8123 Actually siding with Netwatch is the right choice. I mean as far as corpo's go they are the only honest ones out there. Plus given all the advanced cyberware netrunner gangs like Voodoo boys can kill with just the click of a button. Netwatch does exactly what it says. The fact that they could fry Evelyn's brain from miles away shows exactly why Netwatch exists. I mean have you seen the shit some netrunner builds can do. Force people to commit suicide. Spread a virus to fry the minds of everyone in a major area. Yeah maybe we actually need netwatch.
What he don’t say is that the voodoo boys in Pacifica has a bunch of gangs if you side with them then their gangs will leave you alone. But if you don’t then if you are in the area around the Voodoo boys they look at you then start shooting you all over Pacifica.
One thing that is explained throughout the game is that rep is everything. The whole honor among thieves thing. You make a deal you stick to the deal, unless it was made in bad faith. I gave Royce the spike chip because he needed a lesson for trying to double dip on a finished deal. I betrayed Placide because he made it pretty obvious that he was going to double cross you. A good fixer will avenge a runner who is cheated, a runner who will find themselves blacklisted and a dirty fixer will never find work again. It's a theme you see pop up several times throughout the game. I also used the police scanner a lot and started doing a lot of non lethal take downs because of it, a bunch of the gangers, despite trying to kill you, often don't have anything worse than shop lifting charge.
I felt that last point when I slew all guys in a NCPD Help Wanted spot and saw that these gangers were just trying to avenge their member's shot-up girlfriend
Guess I'm a good judge of character, didn't even think for a moment to side with those voodoo boys, only cuz Placid pissed me off the moment I saw him.
Spoiler warning: if you haven’t played this mission, please stop reading, I don’t want to spoil things for you I sided with the voodoo boys as I want the net to be free. Then I got to thinking, Jackie got killed due to the voodoo boys, then I found out they betrayed me, so when I got the option to do something about it, I murderized the crap out of them
Justin Kim the voodo boys were the ones who ordered the chip in the first place. If they hadn’t, you’d have never gone after the chip in the first place
I also annihilated the voodoo boys after they betrayed me. In my eyes I have freed the internet from 2 heavy net organizations or at least leveled the playing field. “Oh you’re in my domain my ass!” *Pulls out quad railgun*
@@DemonDragonGD same here. My thinking was I want the net to be free, and I certainly don’t want the voodoo boys to unleash sentient ai and some ai that was created purely for war by the old governments. Honestly, I’m worried about alt. That ai said she wasn’t alt, she just had alts engram I.e her memories. I want to destroy that ai so bad. I personally believe that if us humans doesn’t manage to kill our selves in the next 200 years, then ai will be the single most dangerous thing out there.
I sided with Netwatch because of what the Voodoo Boys did to V's heist crew. Also, the fact that Placide put some software in V and the 'Voodoo' is in Voodoo Boys makes it look rather suspicious.
I sided with the voodoo boys, because I learned that you can only kill brigid if you side with them and then confront them on their shit. So I killed the agent, did the next mission, then absolutely SMOKED brigid with a point blank shot from Overwatch. Glorious 60k damage felt amazing, then I killed everyone else so thats nice.
I choose the same as the same corpo. * high five * Placide's attitude was dismissive, the voice actor did a great job showing how much they didn't give a f about our character and just used us. To be honest, Netwatch also use us to get to the Voodoo boys, so I'd have appreciate a sidequest to kill netwatch as well. You have the opportunity to kill the agent even after siding with them, I'm not sure what consequence that would have if any.
So just put down agent connect to him placide burn agents, then you go back and after you go out of net and talk with briggette you can shoot them all and placide too just need pick "agressive" answers
When I showed up the Net Watch agent opened fire on me, so as you can imagine that was a short conversation. Later with Brigette, when they all but admitted they attempted to use V as a trojan, it was a slightly longer, yet equally brutal conversation. Netwatch and the Voodoo boys leadership both effectively ceased to exist. I call that a win.
I did a nomad playthrough recently and am in the middle of a street kid playthrough. Both times I have killed the netwatch agent because even without johnny in my head, i just refuse to help corpos. So any chance to burn one i will do. However, yes the voodoo boys deserved to meet skippy and he wasnt in puppy loving mode. They are responsible for Evelyn (and by extension hurting judy….repeatedly), t-bug, Jackie, and in fact V’s pain. If it was only possible, i’d strap them to an xbd to have them feel evelyn, bug’s, and jackie’s deaths and each time the relic malfunctions…on permanent loop.
Choosing Netwatch is like, the ONE time in-game Johnny will agree with you siding with a Corp and that says a lot considering his attitude towards corpos.
Best option is ask NetWatch agent about everything before make decision, then finish him off. And after meeting with Alt finish off Voodoo Boys. I hate them because what they did Evelynn and trying same on us. They do not deserve to approach Blackwall. V in future will cooperate with Mr. Blue Eyes who is also rogue AI or working for them. So they can save V. That's why secret ending best choice. We become legend by our self and have chance to survive.
I killed the (Doodoo) Voodoo boys too... they tried to kill me twice and then I had a heated argument with Bridgette cause she lied to me and I felt used so I killed them. You get cool clothes and weapons when you choose this. I got 2 Legendary jackets from Plecide and Bridgette.
@@BillThaPill have you played the game? you have to get wet before you do anything. lol Seriously at the end of the quest with the voodoo boys they put you in a tub of ice and cold water and link you into the net digitally. ( like in the matrix), after that scene you talk with Bridgette and you have an option to leave or settle the score, and pull your gun. Which starts combat with the voodoo boys.
*spoilers I guess?* If they were trying to make the choice harder to make, then they should have either made the voodoo boys community impact more apparent (aside from placide just interacting with a few people as you walk through the market), or make the consequences more serious (like only Brigitte gets released, but the other netrunner dies). There's literally no downside to siding with the net watch. Net watchers are looking for Alt(either to get rid of her as a threat, or use her for their own gain somehow). But Alt ends up purging net watch from the local network, so they pose zero threat to her there, and so far they don't seem to be able to do anything against her(unless dlc does something). You don't interact with the voodoo boys later in the game, so by having ult kill the voodoo net runners, you get to loot them, and then just kill the rest. Unless they make it so a different gang takes over the area later, they don't show much consequence for siding with net watch. It doesn't even impact Johnny's fear the reaper score. You can still get the 70% when siding with them despite johnny objections
I'm working on my latest playthrough and I used the suicide hack on Birgitte and Placide lol. Literally the moment I clicked 'draw gun' I was in hack mode, and the moment I hit her with that, I pulled out my Zhao smart shotgun, took out her and her whole damn hacker group in like, 3 mins lol. Also, kind of fitting that Birgitte, who's attack led to Evalyn's suicide, dies to a suicide hack.
One of the most satisfying parts of this game was seeing all the vodoo netrunners fried and then proceeding to one shot that Placide bastard with a 12k katana slash
The apartment complex has a melee weapon dealer that has a legendary Katana I don’t know if it’s there for everyone but it has 2,000 damage and I don’t need the extra crit damage because I’m running predator and deadeye on all my clothes
Netwatch guy pulled a gun on me, so i didnt get the chance to side with him. But you better believe i shot my way out of the Voodoo boys headquarters after meeting Alt.
Lol I didn't even know you could talk to the NetWatch agent ! I was aiming my weapon at him when I met him and he immediately drew his gun and shot at me !
I guess you were nervous at the time? As I got stronger, I got more comfortable putting my weapons away more often. I'm way too strong to be taken out by some nobody, even if they get the first shot. 🤷🏿
Spoiler warning. I didn't sided with net watch because lore wise, they are not better then the voodoo boys, they actually are terrible. Even in they are honorable towards v in the game. But in the end after the bath, i killed all of the voodoo boys anyway as in settling the score. For killing Evelyn and for trying to kill me more then once. Although if you read the net watcher agent data pad, you find out that Evelyn was working for net watch to get the relic.
My first run through on this, the decision was never really there as I went in to that room with my gun out and I was aimed on the netwatch guy. He went aggro because I had a gun trained on him and I shot him before the dialogue options happened.
There is still a boss fight with Placide, if you take the opportunity later to take revenge for your betrayal. You just have to wait a couple of missions.
I just start playing this game. I want to know who betrayed V. at the first Heist that got Jackie killed? I think it was T-Bug who betrayed V. For examples when the emperor Sabura arrived at the Arasaka hotel entrance, T-Bug didn't inform you until he got near your room. When you need to find your next exit, I think it was T-Bug recommending the window instead of slowly walking out the apartment door and blend in like a regular. T-Bug pretend to got captured using her distress voice even through nobody know of her exact location. Why T-Bug betray V? If I have to guess, T-Bug discuss about retiring after the Heist, when she had a casual conversation with V and Jackie. She was working for the emperor son Yorinobu all along. V was the scapegoat after the son murdered the father and try to get ride of the emperor loyal guard (Takemura). Seeing Takemura killing Dex was satisfying after making make him looks for your body. I didn't read the journal much, but I do now after meeting Takemura because I always forget his name lol. Now I have 3 choices to make. Find Parker, Hellman or Takemura for the cure. If I have to guess, the game will make me run in circles until I have to go back to Takemura for the cure? Update Who else knew Dex bodyguard will knock V. out? It happened after cleaning your face and walking out from the bathroom. I try blocking with my hand as I walk out from the bathroom, but the game won't let me xD Cheerios. Back to the game in 1.11.23 1.13.22 My first mission is finding Evelyn Parker. And here I'm wedged between Netwatch and The Voodoo boys turf wars. This particular mission has a history. It's basically Slaves vs Slave masters sort of things. I feel like the voodoo boys are very smart because everyone has falling for Placide manipulation and smooth talking. This allows him to put a virus into your system. They all know people come to them with a desire. Evelyn Parker was one of them. The question is, what was she looking for? Back to the game! 😁
ngl it feels a bit awkward killing the only ethnic-enclave in the game. But they are a bit like neo-Nazis in their view of outsiders as "floor rags" so it's not so bad.
For my playthrough, I had a gun out when I met the NetWatch agent so he pulled a gun on me. Ended up killing him and when I got back to the VDB after the dive -- I ended up killing them too *shrugs*
Needed that. Same thing, i didn’t like about VDB’s approach I punched out the net agent first and I immediately regretted being conned again so I went and made that deal to walk out
Unrelated and I doubt anyone will see this comment but I found an interesting glitch with this mission. Basically you agree with the net watch agent until you are about to leave then you walk away from him a little bit kill him then when you go back up to his body there is still dialogue options like he’s alive.
I don't know why people keep insisting that the VDB contracted Evelyn for the Relic. Brigitte was extremely wary when Evelyn had any knowledge of the Relic. She was ordered to make a virtu. Nothing more. That said, I'm wearing a real nice leather coat now.
Why either/or? I fulfilled the mission agreement, and jacked into the Netwatch guy. Of course, that virus tries to fry you, but you survive. Went back to Placide and Brigette, did that part of the mission. They more or less double-cross you again there. When I got out of the tank, I called Brigette out on their BS and killed them call (she doesn't think you'll dare try it, lol). The jacket you get off of Placide's corpse is pretty sweet too!
I kept my deal with the voodoo boys, and then when I came out of ice bath after talking to Alt and being told the voodoo boys were planning to betray me again and the option to pull the gun on Brigitte was offered I took it. Then I chopped up all the voodoo boys with my katana including Placide. I haven’t done transmission yet so I wonder what happens given I didn’t side with netwatch *and* I slaughtered the VBs
Thank you for letting me know what’s ahead finally out of all videos I been trying to find a clear answer for this mission of what would happen ether way so big Thank you
When I approched NetWatch agent, he immediatey attacjed me. Didn't know you could talk to him. I did not like Placide as well. I would be glad to confront him.
bruhhh as soon as i walked in the room , tha agent pulled out iron on me so i dropped him right there, i aint even knew there was a choice you could make
Well I clearly went through all this cluelessly. I just killed the Netwatch agent because I thought he was some kind of corpo dude and VDB could help with my quest. I just ended up killing them all because they tried to kill me. Also, did Placide survive? I got a weird text message from him but no further interaction as of now
but there is a 3rd outcome, siding up with the voodoo boys path lets you take care of them personally after you come out from the net (which I find more satisfying)
I usually play this mission differently based on the lifepath of my V. If i'm Corpo V then I make the deal with Netwatch because it makes sense as Corpo V to negotiate and hear the Netwatch agent out, especially if you are already suspicious of the Voodoo boys. It also helps that when Alt fries Maman Brigitte's brain you can sneak out without being noticed making it easier to escape. If i'm Streetkid V then I side with the Voodoo boys and take the Netwatch agent out as I think Streetkid V would focus on holding up his/her end of the deal with Voodoo boys and would be distrustful of Netwatch, even if you know they try to flatline you as well, but you can always get revenge on the Voodoo boys later when you confront them. If i'm Nomad V then I take out both the Netwatch agent and the Voodoo boys. I always play my Nomad V as a bit of a badass outlaw type of character who takes no shit from anyone, so I take out the netwatch agent because as an outlaw, my Nomad V would not side with a Corpo agent, but would also get revenge on the Voodoo Boys by killing them all and taking out Brigitte and Placide.
Shit, I didn't knew that I could spare the agent, I walked in with a gun on my hand when I approached him he grabbed his gun, my reflex was to drop him on the spot.
I went the other way after doing it both ways and the end result is the same except either you want Netwatch to fry the independant Aqwe netrunner crew (brigite and company) or...you want Brigite and crew to fry Newatch. Netwatch's offer is lame as they really only care about frying the renegate netrunners and to what end? Control of the net. The Netwatch agent should be bargaining to not get killed by cleaning your virus and stopping ICEing Brigite and Neptune but no... they want to have their data to fry the VooDoo boys. Of course the Voodoo boys did try to fry V at the same time but there is no proof they did anything to Evelyn Parker (I know it was suggested... but she was put on the scrap heap by Woodman who got rid of Evelyn and Fingers sent her to the Scavs she did not wake up brain fried which is how the voodoo boys would have handled it (like placide said its not our way (overt violence)). Whose trying to contol the Paralezes? Seems more like a Netwatch thing than rogue AI's. And after Meeting Jefferson, whoever it is knows all about you but they dont fry your brain and that sounds more like a Netwatch move. just my 2 cents. Brigite did not have anything to do with trying to fry you or send you in, that was all Placides doing and I want to zero him but how do you find him after the missions over?
I actually wondered if I made the right decision by siding with Netwatch, but after remembering the BD of Evelyn eavesdropping on Bridget's phone conversation about wanting to get rid of her solely because she had some knowledge of the relic just shows how evil the VDBs can be. Then finding out later they're completely selfish wanting to protect their tight little group rather than help out the community.
@@DaSourOrange you can still kill voodoo boys after meeting alt. theres even a dialogue option for that, since they betrayed your trust again and again
I didnt even listen to the netwatch agent. The voodoo boys burned all the agents and me. I survived, played along with brigitte. Got to talk to alt, came out of it. And then murdered all of the voodoo boys. So everyoned died and it was great, that was exactly how I would prefer to have it all end.
On my first play through I sided with Netwatch. Both Netwatch and VDB’s are going to screw over v but Netwatch at least does V a favor by removing both the tracker and the killer virus that Placide gave to V. Plus I relized that they were responsible for getting Evelyn, T-Bug, Jackie, and by extension V killed. Sure Evelyn screwed over the VDB’s first but the way Placide, Brigitte, and the VDB’s treat V like a disposable Merc and how they had NO intentions whatsoever on honoring their deal. I decided to take them down Punisher style. Plus while I was taking out the VDB’s and Placide I was playing the Netflix Punisher theme song on my phone as I was blasting them away. 💥😁🤘
Netwatch... made me an even more powerful Netrunner via their Cyberdeck I have installed, held up their word and cleaned me of the virus - sure, also used me as a conduit of destruction to get at the VDBs with a virus (though without really putting me in harms way, unlike the VDBs), Placide has a Legendary coat and the VDBs tried to F- me not once but, twice....... yeah, I’m flatlining them all in every playthrough. Confirming kills via extra shots to the dome. Call me a damn “Ranyon” again with lead in your heads y’all pieces of untrustworthy garbagio. -_-
damn i just wanted a long side quest with every gang on this city, I mean you just do like 2 missions with the voodoo boys and that's it, you either kill them or never see them again... what a waste.
I was super sus about the voodoo boys, I accidentally pointed my gun at the net watch guy and had to take him down after knowing i was gonna side with him and i fucked that up as well.
10% of players: “These Voodoo bastards tried to Dex-DeShawned me, got Evelyn, Jackie, and T-Bug killed, and constantly brushed off my need and seeing our deal through. All they care is about themselves and their community. Yeah, they deserve to be betrayed by me.”
*90% of players: “That’s a...that’s a nice coat you got there, Placide.”*
First time I killed em. Next time I let Netwatch do it just to see if Johnny really gave a shit. He didn't.
That IS a nice a coat. Fits perfectly.
I killed all of them, I told them I was with them but then I just murdered them all and got placides jacket
Elder Maxson: welcome to the club, Placide.
Hang on... Ev killed herself (bless her heart) and Saka got Jackie and Bug. Not the Voodoo Boys.
2015: Nice coat, Elder Maxson
2020: Nice coat, Placide
Maybe that should be a new thing for any and all future RPGs - have a character with a cool enough coat that you kill em for it
This!
Comment gold 🤣
I don't care about the coat since CD Projekt RED didn't even bother to put 3rd person into the game
Spoiler warning
Placide technically tried to kill me, he didnt care that i could have died. And then Brigette or whatever her name is took me into the net and didnt give a shit about my goals....Yea..I sided with netwatch. And i was happy to see the voodo boys burn.
Yeah... They are dicks like that. I respect them for how loyal they are to their family and community, but that doesn't excuse them repeatedly trying to kill me.
Sided with the voodoo boys, wiped out netwatch, then when I got what i needed from them, killed all of them.
That's an option. Just saying.
Wiped all the voodo boys with gorilla arm in their base is much more satisfying
Fist play through sided with the vdbs and then had the most satisfying damn gorilla arms beat down of everyone In the vicinity
Damn that was satisfying, you just got out of the tub and with a phrase “I outta teach you” oneshot smack bridgette in the kisser
as much as i like this game i feel like this choice was really insignificant spoiler.. because i tried to be friendly with voodoo boys and it doesn't get u anything its only worth fighting them cause then u get some equipment at least vs just never interacting after those missions which is what happens when u side with them
I rejected Netwatch's offer because its was on me for being played by them in the first place and that I had to finish the job I was contracted to do but than I realize that they were the ones who burned Evelyn like how they tried to burn me and all their contractors. Along with learning from Alt that they weren't going honor their deal the second time around, when Brigitte says "you managed to survive" after waking up, that was the final straw.
i smoked them all after she said that
Guess I wasn't the only one who pull the trigger after that convo
@@MIKUIEL Same. Alot of blood was spilled. If you come at the king....
everyone here seems to have done the same thing...
I want all perspectives...
My first time through I sided with NetWatch because the agent tells you about the VDB placing their tracker/whatever virus it was inside you to keep tabs on you beyond just Placide, and that he could remove it. Naturally, the VDB didn't know about this until NetWatch fried half of them and I murdered the rest. Plus, the whole "siding with rogue post Corpo war AIs to be on the winning side" bullshit (which NEVER works, ever) is too much. AIs in Cyberpunk are already powerful enough even with the Blackwall, as shown by Alt and the bastard manipulating the Peralezes. If there's more of them? No chance, son. Even Alt herself isn't bound by a moral compass anymore, even tells Johnny that the Alt he knew was gone. The AIs in the 2077 universe cannot be trusted.
Well, maybe aside from Skippy the talking gun 😂
I killed the voodoo boys 'cause they're the reason why Evelyn, Jackie, and T bug died but I realized that we wouldn't even get that Biochip and most of the story if it weren't for the voodoo boys. Still no regrets 'cause I got a legendary jacket from Placide which has 4 mod slots damn lol
Evelyn is the reason Jackie and T bug died she only needed to give them the bd instead she hired us to get it for herself... I still killed them though
@@keece64 but you were getting the chip for dex anyways.... evelyns offer doesn't even matter... the reason all of this happened was yorinobu... he planned to use johnny to destroy arasaka himself... you stealing the chip from him ruined his plans... he was going to destroy arasaka at the cost of his own life... but you stole the chip instead...
you find this out if you side with arasaka at the end of the game... that yorinobu had actually planned to destroy arasaka using johnny from the start.
@@arcanumelite4853 Damn, that's actually kinda poetic. Johnny and V were fighting for a future that would have been regardless(depends on ending) had Yorinobu's plans gone uninterrupted, and in the process keep V's and his/her friends' lives.
@@rumpledik2254 thats kinda the point... they didn't change anything (unless you side with arasaka for some stupid reason) everything they did was completely pointless...
@@arcanumelite4853 That's kinda fucked up
This is why multiple saves are important. It gives you a chance to see how either choice plays out. I went with the netagent too, Placide was shady to me and pissing me off
That’s Trash Just Pick Your Choice And Do A Whole Other Playthrough Some Other Time Thats What I’m Doing
@@TypicalBlakk nah
@@AYCHMENG Then There’s No Reason If Your Gonna Pick Every Choice U Really Cheating Ya Self U Probably Played The Walking Dead And Reloaded When Ur Fav Character Died 😂😂😂
@@TypicalBlakk Walking Dead?! im talking about a glitchy game called CyberPunk where multiple saves could help you out, and you can see other choices in the moment if you choose. You making up your on convos with yourself or something.
@@TypicalBlakk Why Are You Talking Like THis you Muppet
I didn’t knew I could spare him, walked in and immediately shot that guy in the head lol
I walked in with a gun on my hand when I approached him he grabbed his gun, my reflex was to drop him on the spot.
Well that escalated quickly lol
@@viniciusmarchetti6924 he does that if you aim with the gun, if you simply walked in with gun he starts talking. In the middle of conversation I accidentally pressed the aim button and he stopped talking and started shooting.
Same
Can't tell you how many times I've done that on side missions that had options to spare the npc.
I sided with netwatch then killed him and then the voodoo boys cus my street kid doesn't mess with corps and doesn't get played
I’ll do that this time too
u da type ov saveg i wanna b when i gro up.
@@charles281 🤣🤣
@@charles281 factsss
Well my streetkid on first time sided with Voodoo boys only because of Jhonny and then shot them. But If I were V I would take Netwatch up on their offer. Streetkid or not Netwatch has a point. The voodoo boys have a habit of screwing people over and any other gang will just kill you. Voodoo boys will fry your brain and give you a fucking lobotomy like they did to Evelyn. Hell she betrayed them sure but they could have just killed her. Instead they left her a vegetable.
"Do you side with the Voodoo Boys or Netwatch?"
"Wait, one of these factions are supposed to survive?"
exactly, i kill them both, LoL. the choice is there after all. (to exact revenge against voodoo boys)
When I played I just killed the netwatch agent and sided with the voodoo boys
@@BadTortoise430 siding with one or the other is the wrong option, killing both is the perfect option, they tryna use you and betray you 2nd times
@@zondor8123 Actually siding with Netwatch is the right choice. I mean as far as corpo's go they are the only honest ones out there. Plus given all the advanced cyberware netrunner gangs like Voodoo boys can kill with just the click of a button. Netwatch does exactly what it says. The fact that they could fry Evelyn's brain from miles away shows exactly why Netwatch exists. I mean have you seen the shit some netrunner builds can do. Force people to commit suicide. Spread a virus to fry the minds of everyone in a major area. Yeah maybe we actually need netwatch.
What he don’t say is that the voodoo boys in Pacifica has a bunch of gangs if you side with them then their gangs will leave you alone. But if you don’t then if you are in the area around the Voodoo boys they look at you then start shooting you all over Pacifica.
One thing that is explained throughout the game is that rep is everything. The whole honor among thieves thing. You make a deal you stick to the deal, unless it was made in bad faith. I gave Royce the spike chip because he needed a lesson for trying to double dip on a finished deal. I betrayed Placide because he made it pretty obvious that he was going to double cross you. A good fixer will avenge a runner who is cheated, a runner who will find themselves blacklisted and a dirty fixer will never find work again. It's a theme you see pop up several times throughout the game. I also used the police scanner a lot and started doing a lot of non lethal take downs because of it, a bunch of the gangers, despite trying to kill you, often don't have anything worse than shop lifting charge.
Then what about deshawn
Shoplifting and also your attempted murder.
Id love to live in your NC lol All i see are murderers, Kidnappers and arsonists lol
I felt that last point when I slew all guys in a NCPD Help Wanted spot and saw that these gangers were just trying to avenge their member's shot-up girlfriend
@@kagekun1198it’s an endless cycle
Guess I'm a good judge of character, didn't even think for a moment to side with those voodoo boys, only cuz Placid pissed me off the moment I saw him.
Same fck that n*gga mumbo jumbo on his english
Spoiler warning: if you haven’t played this mission, please stop reading, I don’t want to spoil things for you
I sided with the voodoo boys as I want the net to be free. Then I got to thinking, Jackie got killed due to the voodoo boys, then I found out they betrayed me, so when I got the option to do something about it, I murderized the crap out of them
Justin Kim the voodo boys were the ones who ordered the chip in the first place. If they hadn’t, you’d have never gone after the chip in the first place
I also annihilated the voodoo boys after they betrayed me.
In my eyes I have freed the internet from 2 heavy net organizations or at least leveled the playing field.
“Oh you’re in my domain my ass!” *Pulls out quad railgun*
@@DemonDragonGD same here. My thinking was I want the net to be free, and I certainly don’t want the voodoo boys to unleash sentient ai and some ai that was created purely for war by the old governments. Honestly, I’m worried about alt. That ai said she wasn’t alt, she just had alts engram I.e her memories. I want to destroy that ai so bad. I personally believe that if us humans doesn’t manage to kill our selves in the next 200 years, then ai will be the single most dangerous thing out there.
@@oliviamoore3426 I say we revert to the good ol age of analog
@@CBRN-115 me too
i sided with the voodoo boys, and still ended up kiling them for trying to use and play me *AGAIN*.
It was so satisfying To just shoot my way through all of them.
Big same
I sided with Netwatch because of what the Voodoo Boys did to V's heist crew. Also, the fact that Placide put some software in V and the 'Voodoo' is in Voodoo Boys makes it look rather suspicious.
It was a rap when they called me a filthy ranyon
So to summarize things, best option is: Kill NetWatch Agent, Kill VodooBoys after
revenge for Ev Jackie and T-Bug
I sided with the voodoo boys, because I learned that you can only kill brigid if you side with them and then confront them on their shit. So I killed the agent, did the next mission, then absolutely SMOKED brigid with a point blank shot from Overwatch. Glorious 60k damage felt amazing, then I killed everyone else so thats nice.
Brigid dies a painful death either way tho
She gets her mind fried and is desd when u wake up if u sided with Netwatch
Siding with the VDB was one of the few mistakes of my platinum save.
NetWatch is the better options? Because that's what I did. I sided with the agent.
@@tewrecks6410
Yup.
Great job avoiding spoilers with this video. I was able to find out exactly what I wanted to know without a single thing beyond that ruined.
I choose the same as the same corpo. * high five *
Placide's attitude was dismissive, the voice actor did a great job showing how much they didn't give a f about our character and just used us. To be honest, Netwatch also use us to get to the Voodoo boys, so I'd have appreciate a sidequest to kill netwatch as well. You have the opportunity to kill the agent even after siding with them, I'm not sure what consequence that would have if any.
So just put down agent connect to him placide burn agents, then you go back and after you go out of net and talk with briggette you can shoot them all and placide too just need pick "agressive" answers
When I showed up the Net Watch agent opened fire on me, so as you can imagine that was a short conversation. Later with Brigette, when they all but admitted they attempted to use V as a trojan, it was a slightly longer, yet equally brutal conversation. Netwatch and the Voodoo boys leadership both effectively ceased to exist. I call that a win.
I did a nomad playthrough recently and am in the middle of a street kid playthrough. Both times I have killed the netwatch agent because even without johnny in my head, i just refuse to help corpos. So any chance to burn one i will do.
However, yes the voodoo boys deserved to meet skippy and he wasnt in puppy loving mode. They are responsible for Evelyn (and by extension hurting judy….repeatedly), t-bug, Jackie, and in fact V’s pain. If it was only possible, i’d strap them to an xbd to have them feel evelyn, bug’s, and jackie’s deaths and each time the relic malfunctions…on permanent loop.
You'll be Glad to know The meeting went well and i took care of those "Things" For you!
Choosing Netwatch is like, the ONE time in-game Johnny will agree with you siding with a Corp and that says a lot considering his attitude towards corpos.
After watching the reveal way back when, I'd be surprised if anyone actually sided with the voodoo boys.
Best option is ask NetWatch agent about everything before make decision, then finish him off. And after meeting with Alt finish off Voodoo Boys. I hate them because what they did Evelynn and trying same on us. They do not deserve to approach Blackwall. V in future will cooperate with Mr. Blue Eyes who is also rogue AI or working for them. So they can save V. That's why secret ending best choice. We become legend by our self and have chance to survive.
Bro predicted the future
I killed the (Doodoo) Voodoo boys too... they tried to kill me twice and then I had a heated argument with Bridgette cause she lied to me and I felt used so I killed them. You get cool clothes and weapons when you choose this. I got 2 Legendary jackets from Plecide and Bridgette.
the only way you can get rewards out of these motherfuckers
Damn should have made that choice instead of killing netwatch :( screw them both really but they were more honest with V than VDBs :/
Same. Worth it.
@@XRandomXShinigamiX That's why I killed both lol
I killed him then killed brigitte and placide the voodoo boys didn’t realise that I’m the mc
They did not realize I was a wizard Hacker, killing them all without lifting a finger
When do I get the option to kill doo doo boys?
@@BillThaPill Right after the bath. You have an option to settle the score with Bridgette.
@@knightheaven8992 I have to get wet before I finish them off?
@@BillThaPill have you played the game? you have to get wet before you do anything.
lol
Seriously at the end of the quest with the voodoo boys they put you in a tub of ice and cold water and link you into the net digitally. ( like in the matrix), after that scene you talk with Bridgette and you have an option to leave or settle the score, and pull your gun. Which starts combat with the voodoo boys.
*spoilers I guess?*
If they were trying to make the choice harder to make, then they should have either made the voodoo boys community impact more apparent (aside from placide just interacting with a few people as you walk through the market), or make the consequences more serious (like only Brigitte gets released, but the other netrunner dies).
There's literally no downside to siding with the net watch. Net watchers are looking for Alt(either to get rid of her as a threat, or use her for their own gain somehow). But Alt ends up purging net watch from the local network, so they pose zero threat to her there, and so far they don't seem to be able to do anything against her(unless dlc does something). You don't interact with the voodoo boys later in the game, so by having ult kill the voodoo net runners, you get to loot them, and then just kill the rest.
Unless they make it so a different gang takes over the area later, they don't show much consequence for siding with net watch. It doesn't even impact Johnny's fear the reaper score. You can still get the 70% when siding with them despite johnny objections
I'm working on my latest playthrough and I used the suicide hack on Birgitte and Placide lol. Literally the moment I clicked 'draw gun' I was in hack mode, and the moment I hit her with that, I pulled out my Zhao smart shotgun, took out her and her whole damn hacker group in like, 3 mins lol.
Also, kind of fitting that Birgitte, who's attack led to Evalyn's suicide, dies to a suicide hack.
I WAS so naive siding with placide on this one
One of the most satisfying parts of this game was seeing all the vodoo netrunners fried and then proceeding to one shot that Placide bastard with a 12k katana slash
Me out here spending 100k on a katana with the money glitch
@@Tony.MP_3 which one? I've tried most katanas but nothing beats the good old satori. That 650% crit damage is just stupid
The apartment complex has a melee weapon dealer that has a legendary Katana I don’t know if it’s there for everyone but it has 2,000 damage and I don’t need the extra crit damage because I’m running predator and deadeye on all my clothes
Netwatch guy pulled a gun on me, so i didnt get the chance to side with him.
But you better believe i shot my way out of the Voodoo boys headquarters after meeting Alt.
Lol I didn't even know you could talk to the NetWatch agent ! I was aiming my weapon at him when I met him and he immediately drew his gun and shot at me !
Same happened with me SMH
I guess you were nervous at the time? As I got stronger, I got more comfortable putting my weapons away more often. I'm way too strong to be taken out by some nobody, even if they get the first shot. 🤷🏿
@@LucidStrike what?
Spoiler warning.
I didn't sided with net watch because lore wise, they are not better then the voodoo boys, they actually are terrible. Even in they are honorable towards v in the game.
But in the end after the bath, i killed all of the voodoo boys anyway as in settling the score. For killing Evelyn and for trying to kill me more then once.
Although if you read the net watcher agent data pad, you find out that Evelyn was working for net watch to get the relic.
Should I side with the net watch or the Vodoo boys?
@@husseinrahima6099you can kill them both
My first run through on this, the decision was never really there as I went in to that room with my gun out and I was aimed on the netwatch guy. He went aggro because I had a gun trained on him and I shot him before the dialogue options happened.
I killed them both in my play through. I don’t work for the man and you don’t get to betray me. TWICE.
Thanks for keeping it short 😂😂😂 I have adhd so bad 😂😂😂😭😭
There is still a boss fight with Placide, if you take the opportunity later to take revenge for your betrayal. You just have to wait a couple of missions.
His voice could literally talk me into anything it’s crazy. Hopefully they give him his own DLC in the future
This does help and thank you for not bullshitting with a 10 to 15 minute explanation. Thumbs up
Thank you for keeping this brief. i was able to pause, take a bthrook break, and make my decision without watching a lengthy video.
For real! Every other video is 6-15 mins long.
I just start playing this game. I want to know who betrayed V. at the first Heist that got Jackie killed?
I think it was T-Bug who betrayed V.
For examples when the emperor Sabura arrived at the Arasaka hotel entrance, T-Bug didn't inform you until he got near your room.
When you need to find your next exit, I think it was T-Bug recommending the window instead of slowly walking out the apartment door and blend in like a regular.
T-Bug pretend to got captured using her distress voice even through nobody know of her exact location.
Why T-Bug betray V?
If I have to guess, T-Bug discuss about retiring after the Heist, when she had a casual conversation with V and Jackie.
She was working for the emperor son Yorinobu all along.
V was the scapegoat after the son murdered the father and try to get ride of the emperor loyal guard (Takemura).
Seeing Takemura killing Dex was satisfying after making make him looks for your body. I didn't read the journal much, but I do now after meeting Takemura because I always forget his name lol.
Now I have 3 choices to make. Find Parker, Hellman or Takemura for the cure.
If I have to guess, the game will make me run in circles until I have to go back to Takemura for the cure?
Update
Who else knew Dex bodyguard will knock V. out? It happened after cleaning your face and walking out from the bathroom.
I try blocking with my hand as I walk out from the bathroom, but the game won't let me xD
Cheerios. Back to the game in 1.11.23
1.13.22
My first mission is finding Evelyn Parker. And here I'm wedged between Netwatch and The Voodoo boys turf wars.
This particular mission has a history. It's basically Slaves vs Slave masters sort of things. I feel like the voodoo boys are very smart because everyone has falling for Placide manipulation and smooth talking. This allows him to put a virus into your system. They all know people come to them with a desire. Evelyn Parker was one of them. The question is, what was she looking for?
Back to the game!
😁
ngl it feels a bit awkward killing the only ethnic-enclave in the game. But they are a bit like neo-Nazis in their view of outsiders as "floor rags" so it's not so bad.
I wanted to side with him but I had a gun out and he instantly started shooting me 😆
lmao
For my playthrough, I had a gun out when I met the NetWatch agent so he pulled a gun on me. Ended up killing him and when I got back to the VDB after the dive -- I ended up killing them too *shrugs*
Needed that. Same thing, i didn’t like about VDB’s approach I punched out the net agent first and I immediately regretted being conned again so I went and made that deal to walk out
Joe Yabuki!!! ❤
I've played through 8 times. I have never sided with the Voodoo boys. They suck.
I sided with NetWatch on my 2nd playthrough and god was I glad to see them burn, Was so much more rewarding after what they had did
Is there a future mission with the netwatch guy if we let him live? Because at the end he said "we will be seeing each other soon"
Unrelated and I doubt anyone will see this comment but I found an interesting glitch with this mission. Basically you agree with the net watch agent until you are about to leave then you walk away from him a little bit kill him then when you go back up to his body there is still dialogue options like he’s alive.
I don't know why people keep insisting that the VDB contracted Evelyn for the Relic. Brigitte was extremely wary when Evelyn had any knowledge of the Relic. She was ordered to make a virtu. Nothing more.
That said, I'm wearing a real nice leather coat now.
Why either/or? I fulfilled the mission agreement, and jacked into the Netwatch guy. Of course, that virus tries to fry you, but you survive. Went back to Placide and Brigette, did that part of the mission. They more or less double-cross you again there. When I got out of the tank, I called Brigette out on their BS and killed them call (she doesn't think you'll dare try it, lol). The jacket you get off of Placide's corpse is pretty sweet too!
I kept my deal with the voodoo boys, and then when I came out of ice bath after talking to Alt and being told the voodoo boys were planning to betray me again and the option to pull the gun on Brigitte was offered I took it.
Then I chopped up all the voodoo boys with my katana including Placide.
I haven’t done transmission yet so I wonder what happens given I didn’t side with netwatch *and* I slaughtered the VBs
Thank you for letting me know what’s ahead finally out of all videos I been trying to find a clear answer for this mission of what would happen ether way so big Thank you
A good red pill of a mission. Only problem I see is how with every playthrough players just aren't going to sixe with the Voodoo boys ever.
When I approched NetWatch agent, he immediatey attacjed me. Didn't know you could talk to him. I did not like Placide as well. I would be glad to confront him.
bruhhh as soon as i walked in the room , tha agent pulled out iron on me so i dropped him right there, i aint even knew there was a choice you could make
I played the SIMP route and got revenge for Judy. Rest in Pieces VoodooBoys.
As a street kid I sided with the Voodoo Boys. Then punched placide when I could
i pulled my gun out just for precautions and the dude thought i was gonna kill him
Well I clearly went through all this cluelessly. I just killed the Netwatch agent because I thought he was some kind of corpo dude and VDB could help with my quest. I just ended up killing them all because they tried to kill me.
Also, did Placide survive? I got a weird text message from him but no further interaction as of now
but there is a 3rd outcome, siding up with the voodoo boys path lets you take care of them personally after you come out from the net (which I find more satisfying)
I didn't side with the agent on my second playtrough, but i still shot up the Chapel just because of how the vodoos act in general.
You forgot to mention that if you side with netwatch they put a tracker on you so when you finally meet with Alt they get in until alt cuts them out
I had no chance of deciding what to do, I walked in and he immediately agroed me
Only happens if you point Ur gun at him
I like how there area is covered in thrash. Most people won’t get it but it’s very funny how voodooboys area looks similar to France 😂😂😂
I didn’t even get a chance to talk to agent I just walked in and he automatically started shooting at me
I walked into the room and accidentally pulled my gun out on the agent before I got to talk with him, I feel like such an idiot.
I usually play this mission differently based on the lifepath of my V.
If i'm Corpo V then I make the deal with Netwatch because it makes sense as Corpo V to negotiate and hear the Netwatch agent out, especially if you are already suspicious of the Voodoo boys. It also helps that when Alt fries Maman Brigitte's brain you can sneak out without being noticed making it easier to escape.
If i'm Streetkid V then I side with the Voodoo boys and take the Netwatch agent out as I think Streetkid V would focus on holding up his/her end of the deal with Voodoo boys and would be distrustful of Netwatch, even if you know they try to flatline you as well, but you can always get revenge on the Voodoo boys later when you confront them.
If i'm Nomad V then I take out both the Netwatch agent and the Voodoo boys. I always play my Nomad V as a bit of a badass outlaw type of character who takes no shit from anyone, so I take out the netwatch agent because as an outlaw, my Nomad V would not side with a Corpo agent, but would also get revenge on the Voodoo Boys by killing them all and taking out Brigitte and Placide.
The fact that you can side with NEITHER in this mission makes me sad.
Shit, I didn't knew that I could spare the agent, I walked in with a gun on my hand when I approached him he grabbed his gun, my reflex was to drop him on the spot.
The only reason, only reason, I didn't side with netwatch is because they wouldn't enjoy killing the voodoo boys as much as I would
The very first play through I sided with VDB. Absolute regret. Every following I sided with NetWatch on top of eradicating VDB.
Thanks for the heads-up man!!
I went the other way after doing it both ways and the end result is the same except either you want Netwatch to fry the independant Aqwe netrunner crew (brigite and company) or...you want Brigite and crew to fry Newatch. Netwatch's offer is lame as they really only care about frying the renegate netrunners and to what end? Control of the net. The Netwatch agent should be bargaining to not get killed by cleaning your virus and stopping ICEing Brigite and Neptune but no... they want to have their data to fry the VooDoo boys. Of course the Voodoo boys did try to fry V at the same time but there is no proof they did anything to Evelyn Parker (I know it was suggested... but she was put on the scrap heap by Woodman who got rid of Evelyn and Fingers sent her to the Scavs she did not wake up brain fried which is how the voodoo boys would have handled it (like placide said its not our way (overt violence)). Whose trying to contol the Paralezes? Seems more like a Netwatch thing than rogue AI's. And after Meeting Jefferson, whoever it is knows all about you but they dont fry your brain and that sounds more like a Netwatch move. just my 2 cents. Brigite did not have anything to do with trying to fry you or send you in, that was all Placides doing and I want to zero him but how do you find him after the missions over?
Thank you!! It was perfect. I will side with netwatch and take on the boss fight down the road. Merry Christmas!!
It literally wont matter there's no impact to the game with decision making outside of the sex scenes
Placide: *Tires to fight me*
Me removes suppressor from big iron: You yeed your last Haw
I actually wondered if I made the right decision by siding with Netwatch, but after remembering the BD of Evelyn eavesdropping on Bridget's phone conversation about wanting to get rid of her solely because she had some knowledge of the relic just shows how evil the VDBs can be. Then finding out later they're completely selfish wanting to protect their tight little group rather than help out the community.
not only that but they wanted to tamper with the blackwall which is why netwatch has done everything they can to catch the vdbs
Placide drops a cool jacket so you should bettay them lol
What happens if I killed the Netware guy but still want kill all the voodoo boys? Do I still meet Alt?
@@DaSourOrange you can still kill voodoo boys after meeting alt. theres even a dialogue option for that, since they betrayed your trust again and again
He looks like gambit
So the mission makes you side with VDB but will fck you up instead later
lol I sided with the voodoo boys and butchered them all anyhow. 🤣
Same lol
Honestly, you could choose between sides, or do as i did and smoke them both, the net will never be free with a hand on the scales.
Thank you! I was so conflicted :)
Same
who'd you pick?
@@Lawked Voodoo 👍🏾
Mee too!!
Killed the Netwatch dude, then killed all the voodoo boys.
Win win
I didnt even listen to the netwatch agent. The voodoo boys burned all the agents and me. I survived, played along with brigitte. Got to talk to alt, came out of it. And then murdered all of the voodoo boys. So everyoned died and it was great, that was exactly how I would prefer to have it all end.
Huh in my playthrough the guy turned hostile as soon as I entered the room.
On my first play through I sided with Netwatch. Both Netwatch and VDB’s are going to screw over v but Netwatch at least does V a favor by removing both the tracker and the killer virus that Placide gave to V. Plus I relized that they were responsible for getting Evelyn, T-Bug, Jackie, and by extension V killed. Sure Evelyn screwed over the VDB’s first but the way Placide, Brigitte, and the VDB’s treat V like a disposable Merc and how they had NO intentions whatsoever on honoring their deal. I decided to take them down Punisher style. Plus while I was taking out the VDB’s and Placide I was playing the Netflix Punisher theme song on my phone as I was blasting them away. 💥😁🤘
I even got pissed off with proceed right from the beginning of 4 years between us
I did this to know what happens without the voodoo boys fight.
But I’ll do it again to kill placide
*you messed with the wrong choom Placide*
Thanks man. I really appreciate this.
Subbed.
Netwatch... made me an even more powerful Netrunner via their Cyberdeck I have installed, held up their word and cleaned me of the virus - sure, also used me as a conduit of destruction to get at the VDBs with a virus (though without really putting me in harms way, unlike the VDBs), Placide has a Legendary coat and the VDBs tried to F- me not once but, twice....... yeah, I’m flatlining them all in every playthrough. Confirming kills via extra shots to the dome. Call me a damn “Ranyon” again with lead in your heads y’all pieces of untrustworthy garbagio.
-_-
You forgot the part where net Tracks you to Alt. laso if you wanna cap everyone side with Voodoo then you get a chance to SMoek them aswell
You are very helpfull! Thank You! good information and a short video!
damn i just wanted a long side quest with every gang on this city, I mean you just do like 2 missions with the voodoo boys and that's it, you either kill them or never see them again... what a waste.
I moved slightly back and thae netwatch guy started shootin at me, so didnt get to pick a side.
thanks, couple more voodoo's to cut , slice and dice is not much of a deal.
So what side should I pick? I'm so confused
@Filip Gasic This sounds like the best idea :D
I was super sus about the voodoo boys, I accidentally pointed my gun at the net watch guy and had to take him down after knowing i was gonna side with him and i fucked that up as well.