Simple Advice to Make More on Flat Rate As An Automotive Tech
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Nothing warms my heart more than to pop a hood or open a door and see electrical modifications have been done. Book goes out the window and "custom work" walks through the door. Tons of room to make money there.
If you work 80 hours in a pay period but flag 100+
You feel like you worked 100+
Fact.
Not always
@@dylankelley2651 must be nice
The only thing I get paid less than a half hour for is wiper blades. Other than that, every labor operation I perform is based on half hour increments. Our estimators and account coordinators don't have time for 2 tenths or 3 tenths nonsense. If it takes 10 minutes, I get paid a half hour. If it takes 35 minutes, I get paid an hour. Nothing wrong with flat rate as long as you know how to game the system.
Lifted trucks with huge damn bumpers, brush guards..... love that extra bit of free effort I gotta do.
Real glad I started watching this channel and comments. I work at an independent import shop and it is damn near making me want to change careers. Parts wrong on 70% of cars (just pushed an Audi 2.0 out of shop while in service mode because they got the wrong timing chain), not the right equipment (replaced trans in Mercedes and didn’t have equipment to program it so it sat on my lift 3 days), and if I do an hour of testing and found nothing to be wrong like an intermittent issues, they only pay me 0.5. I was thinking this was how shops were but I think I’m going to just find another shop now.
I work for BMW they can see remotely every press of the ISTA/D button press down to a millisecond. If you diagnose something to fast they won’t pay out as said it wasn’t done correctly. Strange and the mechanical times are ridiculous. Only tips I can offer in a dealer is stay on top of product knowledge.
O yes pencil whipping is an art form in itself
You mean I can’t press next, next, next, replace DME?
Amen. The new trend I am seeing is regional pay scale not based on your skills but what the region is paying
Here in the UK the flat rate system is done a bit differently, almost everybody I know in any trade bare in mind works on a salary or hourly basis, you have to earn a basic minimum by law. How ever lots of companies use a bonus scheme were the flat rate aspect comes into play, you will earn a monthly bonus on top of your salary depending on how many hours you sold etc etc
So glad i don't have to worry about point twos and point three's anymore
How did you go about getting out of flat rate? Did you have to take a pay cut at first? I’m doing well flat rate but after 9 years, I’m already starting to feel it take a toll on me. I enjoy diagnostics and would like to just do diagnostics for a living (while getting paid hourly), but I feel like the pay wouldn’t compare to what I’m making as a flat rate tech.
Man i wish the shop i worked at put this into consideration. We barely ever get paid for diag. We dont get paid for air filters, wipers etc. Everytime something is recommended its always why. Literally. Transmission services aren't done correctly. Can't tell the manager nothing because hes always right and everyone else is wrong.
Audi 3.0tfsi engine mounts… don’t remove the oil cooler. Drop the steering rack and remove the mounts from the rear
Especially like on T-belt jobs, each wheel, idler gets .2, or .3....
If you're doing 1.5 to 3.0 hour jobs all day, those 0.1 to 0.3 hr add on's could easily loose you an hours pay on the day. And forgetting the 1.2 for reclaim, evac,recharge ac on 2 jobs in the same day is like giving away almost 2 1/2 hours of your day and the pay for that as well. Come on guys, do you think your customer would work 1 hour overtime a day for free ?.... N O T ......Good points FRM.
All good tips even for hourly or hourly plus production guys. If you keep track of every little bit you will see more and the shop will see more. Also good habits to get if you ebver set out on your own.
ALSO Stay clocked on a job you know is a losing job. If you can write it down and show why the job sucked you can find a way to get paid.
Yup drain & refill coolant system .30 evac & recharge 1.40 oh & don’t forget proper punch times so warranty will actually pay you for them adds
What if all the auto tech go on strike ..... ? We want more money and better fridge in lunch room
I would never work flat rate in a place that I wasn't writing my own estimates, the guy behind the counter can be great at what they do but they're not the one in the shop working on the car. Some jobs there is no book times, sometimes the aftermarket book is just plain wrong. I remember more than once looking up customer pay jobs at the dealer on Mitchell and finding that they had a time listed that was significantly less than what we even got under warranty. Nevermind stuff like adding labor for aftermarket parts/lift etc...
I always look at Alldata, then go to the tech and ask if this is realistic or do we need more time.
This ensures quality and reduces comebacks for sure
When I worked at Airport Ford/Nalley Ford, they had us back then use the procedures and use that time, .5 job be paying 3.0… 2.0 jobs be 5.0, we did well (1991) our trainer was Nick name Big Money 😁, he knew how to get paid well threw warranty back then
Commenting on the video for the algorithm
You also have to be fast and efficient can't always follow SI OR ALLDATA. Gotta think for yourself
17 year Master/Expert volvo tech here. I have since left the industry (thank god) and I am one of those techs that grossed $10k/month with minimal come backs and quality repairs. That being said, being a flat rate mechanic should have died 20 years ago and I encourage EVERY young person to stay away from the dealerships, especially corporate dealers. They are corrupt, bad benefits, and greedy. I Look to start a channel soon explaining how this is true.
I’m at a dealership and I’m hourly it’s a smaller shop the two master techs are flat rate they put on my tickets what I would have made for the day I’m usually right at or under slightly at the end of the week but I get all the bs oil change waiter and inspections mostly on pretty new vehicles so there isn’t the greatest opportunity to sell work on cars with less then 10-15 thousand miles
Try being at an independant where a certain job requires lets say X tool or X machine, and your co worker has is hogged up non stop. As in talking, not working, just being slow. Hourly mind you, so for real, i'm not too concered about my time when the other workers make it this way. Bill 1/2 for a job...well you can only get so many 1/2 hour jobs done in a day. 3 4 hour jobs? Easy.
How much do you get paid to do your estimates. Is a certain amount per week or is it like .3 per RO? I have to write my own RO and wonder what to tell my employer I should get paid for that
I think he’s mentioned in another video that he gets 3 hours a week
@@meorge9359 thank you
We add labor and the advisor does parts. I don't get any extra for it but making sure I'll be getting enough time is worth it. We also have a labor matrix where we add .5 up to 4 hours, add 1 for 5-8, etc to cover all the little things. At previous jobs I always thought every ro should have have a few tenths added for the random stuff that's not technically part of any specific billed job
Flat rate needs to be 50% of shop rate (like it was in the 80s) & 50% of parts markup, and eventually it will, or you will have no one!
Sometimes the pen is mightier
Then the wrench so write a good
story and your more likely to get
Payed the full amount. Dealer warrenty
With Chevy you have to make sure you punch your clock the right way
That’s exactly what I’m talking about. You have to punch time fore diagnosis and oil dye test and all the extra shit. Also that new rule is bs. I’m not going to get caught without punches. I want to prove my time with the time stamps. Otherwise they can and will back flag you
What if a modified 4x4 lifted truck like mine came in?
😏When I was flat rate every time I pulled out that ACETYLENE I was adding that time UP
Not for me....I wont go back.
Ok 👍
Just curious what labor system/labor guide does your shop use?
We get paid a basic but can make bonus on top. A basic lube tech has to sell a lot more than a Master. Every hour over daily target pays an additional £20 pounds. It’s paid Monthly and capped at £1500 bonus on top of salary. sorry not sure in dollars. We know every day how many hours sold on a bid flat screen monitor on the wall. Changes colors red, amber green. Works well but would prefer weekly pay. No company I know in the UK pays weekly anymore.
Make your money on story writting , when doing dealership flag hours. Having a good warranty clerk who fights for your hours goes a long ways.
Not a fan of nit picking charges. .3 .2. Skid pan R&R are part of the repair
True unless for instance a skid pan is optional on a vehicle. You can't remove and then replace 4 to 8 bolts on a skid pan and do the job in the same amount of time as on one that does not have the skid pan option. Adding time in this instance is not nit picking, it's just being fair to the tech doing the extra work. Think of it as OVERTIME pay. How would you like to work 3/10 of an hour overtime and not get paid for it ????
@@terryharvey4811 I’m the shop owner. Let’s not talk unpaid hours. LoL
@@williamhall7165 38 YEARS AS A SHOP OWNER, LOT OF UNPAID OVER TIME ON MY PART ALSO, BUT IF IT'S 3.2 PLUS ADD ON'S I DO ADD ON. I don't want my guys or myself to give away time and money. We do enough of that on the little stuff as it is. You know... customer service for our regulars....i OWE IT TO MY CUSTOMERS TO CHARGE ENOUGH TO BE HERE THE NEXT TIME THEY NEED ME.
@@williamhall7165 So as a shop owner why do you feel ok with letting labor go out your door for free? Do you throw in free parts too?
@@JMKady76 I do let some labor go for free. On certain jobs. It makes the customer feel like they got a lil extra and makes them likely to return
Always add for rust
All of these crazy flat Raters Believe that hourly pay is a global conspiracy (joke)
Don't work in the rust belt. That would be the biggest piece of advice.
What is it with shop foreman’s who look down on guys who wash cars. And won’t let them move up to higher positions.
1. When a detailer is told stay away from an insurance rep in the building. Lol bs.
2. Young kid 26 with license to drive any car but is the only one in the shop not allowed to drive this Porsche.
Sounds like more of a personal issue rather than a professional one. I started at my dealer washing cars, then lube, and now on the main line flat rate. Along the way I saw an increase in respect but was never "looked down on".
Because they don't want him "playing" with an expensive sports car and wrecking it.