Playing on the moral decency card ha , but in the next breath he's escalating the scene himself. Cos he couldn't help himself . As for when he finishes work he's switched off from being a copper ha .
@@kevinhunt3550 lol " a copper is always on duty so if I was to bump into him in my local ASDA say as an example and tell him about a crime he wouldn't therefore investigate it ,or phone his colleagues because he's off duty what a load of b's 🤣
This is my old force.....You can film anything from a public area. That means anything you can see from a public area. A cordon means anyone standing outside the cordon can film anything you can see inside the cordon. It is that simple, and no police officer has the power to confiscate a camera, or arrest/detain anyone. These are the facts, and this officer is 100% wrong because in no way is he "interfering" with the investigation. He uses that as a pretext and it is ridiculous.
The black belt barrister youtuber did a video about a firearms police officer threatening to take Charlies phone and if I remember rightly the Police can seize you're phone if they need it to investigate something that your camera may have witnessed. so it's not a direct "we are seizing your phone" it's a roundabout way of seizing it, loophole if you will, to be a pain in the arse because their power was challenged.
@@MrAnthonyfrench Yes the police have no power to seize your phone unless they believe it has recorded a crime, or has information relating to an investigation. The caveat to this would be what was said prior to them demanding the phone, and whether that would be a reasonable excuse to do so .
Section 19 of PACE would not allow him to take his camera. Also under Breach of The Peace world not allowing him to be removed from the area as he wasn’t within the police cordon. Would the officer approach and told a news camera crew and told them to stop, “NO.” The pcso has no powers to do anything.
John Lillbourne you’re wrong, i think I would know 🥱 they have power to detain for 20 mins until an officer can arrive to arrest the suspect. Once the 20 mins is up the detainee is free to leave if an officer has not arrived
These people are just time wasting trash. Get a proper job and stop thinking you're doing some kind of service you arent. You're simply creating content for other sad losers with a grudge against authority.
If this was the US you would have a knee pressing violently into your back as you were laid out on the pavement begging for mercy. The Brits really are very laid back.
In the US if a cop puts his knee on your neck for filming he and his department will be sued and publicly embarrassed. Unfortunately attorneys are a necessity
Ya, I don't like that approach with cops usually because there are better ways to resolve it. In this case though where he really isn't involved and is outside the area, the best way to avoid 'obstruction charges' or any nonsense like that is to just ignore them.
Exactley: never talk to the police anything you say will be used against you - even if you aint charged cos they are lookin for something to charge or arrest you for
Hey you! You cannot film! 10 minutes later... What about that guy? He has a bigger more professional looking camera therefore he’s no concern of mine. 🤔???!
I am so impressed how Charles Veitch completely controls the conversation here. The copper reacts to Charles insistence on his rights by threatening Section 5 and you could rip the copper apart in court for that. But Charles restarts the conversation, turns the copper into a human and diffuses him and still gets his point across. Charles is what journalism should be about.
+Fuji Fiasco you obviously do not know the British cops, the only way our cops are different to U.S cops is (not all British cops carry firearms) they all have the same attitude.
@@comixmind I disagree: that's how things are tested, and if the officer was full of it then it helps prevent this sort of bullying becoming accepted practice.
@@npc4984 Try what they are doing to Julian Assange for 1, he told the truth about the War Crimes carried out By Washington, London, and Tela Viv, they are directed to let him rot in London Prison, another war crime. How much more do you want Bro, Are you blind to the truth, or too lazy to do your own research.
@@michaelmullins3396 nah bro I recently took the so called red pill and I see the world different not in a conspiracy way but the banks corporations the secret services mi5 and cia and mossad doing black opp and mk ultra operation northwood I was shocked that the government could do this I only woke up 4 months ago
@@npc4984 For someone that thinks he is one of God's chosen people, and they surely see the world different, and as usual are in complete denial of reality keep taking you pills and go back to sleep. I'm glad I'm not your Bro.
LOL obstructing the officers , I thought that's what the yellow tape is there to stop (that you're clearly behind) what a twit - keep up the good work.
Shouting over it arguing with police, all he needed to do was keep out of her face n they would have said nothing...he knows what he doing and does it for reaction getting all hissy when he then gets it
Actually, yeah. I've been a TV cameraman for twenty years and we get more or less exactly this, all the time. I've worked for Reuters, ITN, BBC and lots of others. The only difference is that those news channels don't usually broadcast this stuff. The copper is very much in the wrong here obviously, but they will do this to anyone. They're not picky.
Dead Zombie Incorrect. He is allowed to film whatever he god damn pleases - now take your limited intelligence off the internet, please, before you hurt my brain with your stupidity.
I've seen so many PCSO's absolutely bang out of order having completely miss understood a simple order or request from an actual member of the police. These half trained hi-viz fools need to be properly trained, vetted, and equipped as be fitting of a professional police force. And you had every right to put up the objection you did to the rude and condescending tone from that PCSO. I would not tolerate such abuse from a member of the public, much less some jumped up fool with a radio and an over hyped sense of social decency.
I can't stand the smug, condescending, self-important way the male officer was talking to you. It irks me that he keeps talking about "moral decency" considering he works for an organisation which routinely initiates force against, and extorts money from peaceful people whilst enforcing victimless crime laws.
He fails to uphold the law. He fails to kerp his opinions to himself. He fails to not criticise a member of the public. He fails to not patronize. His ego gets in the way of his policing. He demonstrates a deep desire to control. I think we may see this person on the news at some point in the future for something abhorrent?
When the officer politely suggested you were being antagonistic, and you suggested that that view was "subjective", whilst you were correct, you were being unnecessarily antagonistic. I don't know what your style is, and perhaps this is your 'thing' on the internet, to enter into discussions in this manner to try and prove some point as an amateur (or self-employed) internet journalist, so if I'm missing the point and your style is a troll-esque manner, then forgive me. Though, before you no doubt turn on me for using the words 'amateur' or 'troll', lets not forget the way you said the female PCO was "just" a PCO, or consistently referred to her as "madame", to think about the way I have spoken. It's good to see people standing up for their rights, I completely respect that. Just, the method at which you entered the chatter with the police was completely unnecessary, do you not think? I feel moderately embarrassed for you watching this. "The way I was forcefully informed" and how you were "threatened with arrest"... you were not threatened with arrest, the calm officer tried to tell you what would happen if you didn't calm down, which is entirely fair given the way you were acting and the way you entered the so-called conversation - which was in an antagonistic manner. "I think we have managed to de-escalate the situation" - I think you actually mean the cop has calmed you down. If you can drop the know-it-all attitude whilst accusing others of being know-it-all, it would probably help. Fair play to this police man for remaining calm, because, with all respect, you were being a complete tool. Assuming that is your style, and was your meaning to be as antagonistic as you were, I gather it was in order to try and get some form of reaction to prove a point about the state of something in our country? Surely, in order to fairly examine or gather evidence toward the reaction of something, it would be to enter into said situation in a subjective manner, without trying to provoke or engineer a scenario?
Sam Johnson, what were you watching? He was totally bullied and cowed, didn't stand his ground, pcso was aggressive with the halt gesture, and you can't film here, then plod came over and said, think of the family of the victims, reporters are dispassionate, they record the events, not people's sensibilities, reporter mentioned 911, that was a great point, yes horrific, but it was NEWS.
@@samaj2001 just watched it again, I saw the reporter filming the scene and nobody took the slightest bit of notice, he then changed his location, and met the pcso who escalated the situation, with the aggressive hand up, and you can't do this, directive, another thing, he himself pointed out was, he was outside the taped off area, and not bothering anyone or interfering with the scene. It was another case of do as I say - or else..........
@@ianhill4585 the person filming was acting in a manner that suggested he was trying to engineer a reaction. The cameraman was antagonistic in his tone. These are all undeniable things.
This Channel is an education for all. Maybe he can be antagonising at times, but his knowledge and conduct demands respect from these people that would otherwise antagonise and intimidate us.
Another cracking video Charlie. It never fails to amaze me just how few plods (and plastic plods) are actually aware of the laws about filming in a public place.
Second cop was wrong too - he'd walked off, been advised, and came back with a better tone. He was happy to threaten an arrest for breach of peace on a citizen in no way breaking any laws, causing any obstructions. The male cop did indeed diffuse a situation, but a situation caused by himself and woman cop.
I think there were both plastic pigs even the one trying to talk sensible was still ignorant and arrogant there are no good cops because they won't arrest the bad cops
Sorry this is just vile. My parents were involved in an RTA, and there were people filming my Mum being taken out of the car on a stretcher. It might be a "free country" but have some respect and leave families to deal with this kind of thing in their own way. I'm sure this prat would be the first to complain if filming was taking place while his family was suffering some trauma, or rather the aftermath of.
Vile maybe an extream term ....while i appreciate your saddness . But allow me to point out a fact ... a friend filmed an accident scean about an hour after investigati police left the scean ...days latter he noticed something on the video that he presented to the families solicitor and indoing proved a third party was the cause of the incident ...again while filming of the desd injured is wrong it can work both ways
He filmed nothing that would upset anyone, other than a cop. The fact that he had a camera in his hand was their problem. If he had a TV news crew they wouldn't say a word.
Nearly half a million views great video mate, wish you all the best, what a small minded witch. And you switched that round with the male officer very nicely.
Embarrassing some people class this as "Good work". You absolutely went out of your way to make a scene, you tried to come off as superior and overall an absolute upper class ******** of the highest order. Substitute ********** with whatever you feel appropriate.
He spoke to the other officer who informed him of the law and pointed out he was making a fool of himself so backed down. Well done Charles,i watched this when you posted it but it's been brought back to life again.kerrching.
@@TheJustbristol27 I love when they kidnap and falsely imprison me. Took 150 thousand dollars from the last fucking traitor with a badge that falsely imprisoned me......
@@TheJustbristol27 feck off! he had no reason to arrest him - but saying that he did run off at the mouth which helped the cop get evidence of him being a twat
PACE s19 3)The constable may seize anything which is on the premises if he has reasonable grounds for believing- (a)that it is evidence in relation to an offence which he is investigating or any other offence; He wasn’t “on the premises” as defined by law. And this is AFTER the event. So... The officer is lying. It’s all they do these days...
im more amazed that both sides actually toned it down to a much more civil discussion instead of continuing to create a bigger and bigger scene. i wish it would be more like that in the US...
Charlie, I absolutely agree with your right to film in a public place (I do a lot of it myself) but you HAVE to try to remain calm and not create heightened tension.
You were in a public place and, as you know, they absolutely can't stop you filming there. That PCSO demonstrated just how poorly trained they are compared to proper police officers. I don't think going into ranty mode so quickly helped the situation though, Charlie. But at least you and the PC de-escalated the situation and it turned into quite an interesting discussion in the end. Good video.
His should be upholding the law and Human Rights that his swore on when joining the police. His has clearly broke Article 7 Human Rights Act: No punishment without law and Article 10: Freedom of expression.
I did find you to be unjustifiably antagonistic towards the female officer in the beginning. But at 3:13, you became respectful which allowed you to defend your rationale successfully. I agreed with much of your rationale. And I believe that turning the camera on yourself was actually quite brilliant. More so, in assessing the 'likes' and 'dislikes' for your special feature, I'd like to draw attention to the polarizing effect it is having on the viewers and their opinions. What I find most interesting is the tally is nearly 50/50! And THAT, is the hallmark of great artwork. Well done!
"Chris" was over excited and desperately trying to force forth that he had the upper hand, he has clearly been trained to ALWAYS be the one in control.
"Freest countries in the world"? It may well be, but they are trying to curtail those freedoms. It's down to activists like this who push back against them and for that we should be eternally thankful.
Looking back at this interaction six years back and the comments that were made by the officer that 'we are the most free country on this planet', how things have changed with speech laws.
An idea for the future: keep a few cheap memory cards with you, and if they need it for evidence, just give them the card, put a new one in, and carry on filming. You can get cheap low capacity cards for like £3 these days
Charles, You don't seem to be making many friends. I would suggest seeing your GP in the first instance. Psychotherapy under hypnosis can be very effective. Your public advertising on a social media site showing how much police time and public money you waste is rather disturbing. Hypnosis my uncover your underlying problem. CJ
CJ, why don't I utterly ignore your advice and tell you to stick your passive aggressive thoughts up your proverbial arse. Get attention by making your own videos, not trying and failing to be a smart-arse on mine, bitch
NO they were not. Stupid, they were just flexing their muscles, trying to stop a member of the public from filming, which is a lawful pastime in this instance.
No the police need to be accountable for overstepping their lawful authority and maintaining legal rights to citizens. Whether they like something or not is irrelevant, the police opinion doesn't matter, only the law that they should uphold matters in their interactions with the public..
Hey Charles Veitch this officer was right. PaCE section 19. 3a. 'The constable may seize anything which is on the premises if he has reasonable grounds for believing-that it is evidence in relation to an offence which he is investigating or any other offence' So yes, he could do it, and your shocked little time where you stumbled clearly says that YOU KNEW nothing about that Act and he had outsmarted you. Shame you probably won't read this, and if you will, you will not admit that you're wrong.
If standing where Charlie is standing is interfering with a crime scene then move the cordon to a place that covers the whole crime scene.
it is scary how many police don't know the law
"You can bring the SAS, it doesn't matter."
Good on you Charlie - continuing to inspire, getting people to stop and think.
Nah this guys an absolute tosser
Playing on the moral decency card ha , but in the next breath he's escalating the scene himself. Cos he couldn't help himself . As for when he finishes work he's switched off from being a copper ha .
@@kevinhunt3550 lol " a copper is always on duty
so if I was to bump into him in my local ASDA
say as an example
and tell him about a crime
he wouldn't therefore investigate it ,or phone his colleagues
because
he's off duty
what a load of b's 🤣
@@jackwatsonepic626 my dig was at the copper?
@@kevinhunt3550 I know , yes ;
I was also stating a fact that they are never off duty .
This is my old force.....You can film anything from a public area. That means anything you can see from a public area. A cordon means anyone standing outside the cordon can film anything you can see inside the cordon. It is that simple, and no police officer has the power to confiscate a camera, or arrest/detain anyone. These are the facts, and this officer is 100% wrong because in no way is he "interfering" with the investigation. He uses that as a pretext and it is ridiculous.
Yeah, because the police officer has mental health, an IQ are low like a child and they don't have the future.
The black belt barrister youtuber did a video about a firearms police officer threatening to take Charlies phone and if I remember rightly the Police can seize you're phone if they need it to investigate something that your camera may have witnessed. so it's not a direct "we are seizing your phone" it's a roundabout way of seizing it, loophole if you will, to be a pain in the arse because their power was challenged.
@@MrAnthonyfrench Yes the police have no power to seize your phone unless they believe it has recorded a crime, or has information relating to an investigation.
The caveat to this would be what was said prior to them demanding the phone, and whether that would be a reasonable excuse to do so .
He's trying to intimidate and knows it. He wasn't causing any disturbance
And that PC will continue threatening photographers because you capitulated to his unlawful commands ! Bad job !
Yes, why did you back down when you knew you were right?
WELL SAID!!!...Photographer was a cow towing prick!!..
Don't forget he pays their wages 🤣
What made it worse was there was a fucking film crew over the road.
Veitch should be ashamed. Look at the like dislike ratio. Says it all.
@@juliusilori6615 "cow towing"; is that anything like camel toeing? 😄
"You can bring the SAS it doesn't matter" I laughed so hard
Yepp me too
Sweat And Sour ... lol 😂 🙏 . ✅ :
Pissing myself laughing at sas
Lmfao that killed me
ok
You were the big person here. You de escalated the situation. Bravo to you Charlie.
Those officers were disappointing in their actions and behaviour.
Are you blind. He walks around trying to create a situation. Blokes a wanker
Yes he was the bigger man and most disappointingly still has to ‘tell’ Charlie what to do. What’s wrong with these people?
Chris appears to love the sound of his own voice
Thank you for up holding our rights.
I am showing this to my 14and 12 year old sons to demonstrate that you are protecting my rights.
Dad, I'm 41 ffs!
Section 19 of PACE would not allow him to take his camera. Also under Breach of The Peace world not allowing him to be removed from the area as he wasn’t within the police cordon. Would the officer approach and told a news camera crew and told them to stop, “NO.” The pcso has no powers to do anything.
Very true but wouldn't stop them doing it.
The PCSO does have powers of detainment, but only if Charlie had committed a crime, which he hadn't.
John Lillbourne you’re wrong, i think I would know 🥱 they have power to detain for 20 mins until an officer can arrive to arrest the suspect. Once the 20 mins is up the detainee is free to leave if an officer has not arrived
Yet Vetch (9/11 u-tuner) got owned
These people are just time wasting trash. Get a proper job and stop thinking you're doing some kind of service you arent. You're simply creating content for other sad losers with a grudge against authority.
If this was the US you would have a knee pressing violently into your back as you were laid out on the pavement begging for mercy. The Brits really are very laid back.
No buddy they have good manners and know who do they work for. Well mostly.
i can imagine that being true James Rizzo. :(
Just check out policethugs.com to see how the police roll in USA
Its all the tea we drink.
In the US if a cop puts his knee on your neck for filming he and his department will be sued and publicly embarrassed. Unfortunately attorneys are a necessity
you should have just ignored her and not said a word and kept filming
I do think that would have made for a very interesting experiment
buttonsg1
really, that would have made her even more pissed
Ya, I don't like that approach with cops usually because there are better ways to resolve it. In this case though where he really isn't involved and is outside the area, the best way to avoid 'obstruction charges' or any nonsense like that is to just ignore them.
Totally agree, I would have ignored them, right to the lawsuit for wrongful arrest.
Exactley: never talk to the police anything you say will be used against you - even if you aint charged cos they are lookin for something to charge or arrest you for
That officer is talking right out of his ARSE.
now after 6 years morals hasn't changed and the cop still talks out of his ARSE
As 99% of them do
Hey you! You cannot film!
10 minutes later...
What about that guy?
He has a bigger more professional looking camera therefore he’s no concern of mine. 🤔???!
I am so impressed how Charles Veitch completely controls the conversation here. The copper reacts to Charles insistence on his rights by threatening Section 5 and you could rip the copper apart in court for that. But Charles restarts the conversation, turns the copper into a human and diffuses him and still gets his point across. Charles is what journalism should be about.
British cops are very respectful not like here in the US
I have never been to u.s. Or uk either but i belive you!
Yea usa cops fucking shoot u if u don't agree with them
+mistermaster38 ikr
thediamondgecko 85 amen
+Fuji Fiasco you obviously do not know the British cops, the only way our cops are different to U.S cops is (not all British cops carry firearms) they all have the same attitude.
"he who controls the questions controls the answers". I never thought of that before but how true it is.
"Bring the SAS!" Classic Charlie Veitch.
How was Charlie interfering with the investigation.?
He wasn't, should have stood his ground, he turned the camera away as asked, and allowed himself to be bullied, hopefully he is more savvy now.
Charlie should have offered to test that statement in a court of law.
@@motortraction waste of court resources
@@comixmind I disagree: that's how things are tested, and if the officer was full of it then it helps prevent this sort of bullying becoming accepted practice.
@@comixmind that's what pigs do
You think The UK is a Free Country? LOL! Newsflash, IT'S NOT!
SPOT ON........UK IS AN EXTENSION OF THE TERRORIST REGIME RUN OUT OF WASHINGTON, AND TEL AVIV. i CAN GIVE YOU MANY EXAMPLES IF YOU CAN'T LOOK IT UP
@@michaelmullins3396 tell me the info bro I want to research
@@npc4984 Try what they are doing to Julian Assange for 1, he told the truth about the War Crimes carried out By Washington, London, and Tela Viv, they are directed to let him rot in London Prison, another war crime. How much more do you want Bro, Are you blind to the truth, or too lazy to do your own research.
@@michaelmullins3396 nah bro I recently took the so called red pill and I see the world different not in a conspiracy way but the banks corporations the secret services mi5 and cia and mossad doing black opp and mk ultra operation northwood I was shocked that the government could do this I only woke up 4 months ago
@@npc4984 For someone that thinks he is one of God's chosen people, and they surely see the world different, and as usual are in complete denial of reality keep taking you pills and go back to sleep. I'm glad I'm not your Bro.
As soon has he thought ...oh he could actually be arrested ,he gets all diplomatic😂
LOL obstructing the officers , I thought that's what the yellow tape is there to stop (that you're clearly behind) what a twit - keep up the good work.
Shouting over it arguing with police, all he needed to do was keep out of her face n they would have said nothing...he knows what he doing and does it for reaction getting all hissy when he then gets it
@@solcutta3661 Yeah, but he's probably at the end of his shift so he can go home, take off his uniform and forget about it all, so no harm done.
He handled it better than a lot of police would. Fair play to him, seeing as though he knew who you were though he perhaps acted nicer
So glad you actually stayed the facts and don’t allow the power trippers to feel like they get a win when they are wrong! Love your work !!! 🤜
You never see cops approach BBC reporters shouting “STOP FILMING YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED” do you 🤔
Actually, yeah. I've been a TV cameraman for twenty years and we get more or less exactly this, all the time. I've worked for Reuters, ITN, BBC and lots of others. The only difference is that those news channels don't usually broadcast this stuff. The copper is very much in the wrong here obviously, but they will do this to anyone. They're not picky.
Antagonistic? The public servants started in an antagonistic manor, I am impressed how you managed to bring things from boiling point down.
When did Karl Pilkington become a cop?
He looks like Simon Pegg too.
Good on you mate. I don't believe there is anything in our law that says
"Filming=no"
Lol 😂
Yeah, this is my favourite video of yours. Love the way you turned it round too. Brilliant.
Police communicated well… but I still think he’s wrong.
Wow a real reporter and a real police office, didn't think they existed anymore....
My love goes out to both of you.
lion turned into a mouse very quickly - looks like you shat your pants and started brown nosing him
Yes agree haha he wouldn't have got 3k unlike if he didn't turn out to be a mouse
🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Should we get the investigation officer?"
"You can bring the S.A.S, it doesn't matter ..."
haha x)
serge watching January 2021
"You've gotta respect ME! I pay your salary!"
He has a point.
+The Cypher just kicked a cops head in and shouted you cant arrest me i pay your salary. worked a charm.
+The Cypher No he doesnt hes a dick with an attitude that could have and should have been arrested.
Dead Zombie It is legal to:
A) Record in public
B) Have an "attitude", as you put it
Deal with it.
Dead Zombie Incorrect. He is allowed to film whatever he god damn pleases - now take your limited intelligence off the internet, please, before you hurt my brain with your stupidity.
“Can I help you?”
“No” 😂😂
Hate seeing people sucking up the police. Bad show, I'm afraid. Looking at this as a fail by the camera man.
you really dont know about Charles then do you ??
I've seen so many PCSO's absolutely bang out of order having completely miss understood a simple order or request from an actual member of the police. These half trained hi-viz fools need to be properly trained, vetted, and equipped as be fitting of a professional police force. And you had every right to put up the objection you did to the rude and condescending tone from that PCSO. I would not tolerate such abuse from a member of the public, much less some jumped up fool with a radio and an over hyped sense of social decency.
Wow Charlie. You were ahead of your time standing up for freedom. Well handled
Just tell them there dismissed and continue doing what ya doin
*they're
its an old one i know but ffs m8 you just bent over and took it like a good little boy copsplaning at its best
I can't stand the smug, condescending, self-important way the male officer was talking to you. It irks me that he keeps talking about "moral decency" considering he works for an organisation which routinely initiates force against, and extorts money from peaceful people whilst enforcing victimless crime laws.
"You could bring the SAS". LMAO!!
' I'm a member of the press.'
says it all really.
Says what really?
He fails to uphold the law.
He fails to kerp his opinions to himself.
He fails to not criticise a member of the public.
He fails to not patronize.
His ego gets in the way of his policing.
He demonstrates a deep desire to control.
I think we may see this person on the news at some point in the future for something abhorrent?
When the officer politely suggested you were being antagonistic, and you suggested that that view was "subjective", whilst you were correct, you were being unnecessarily antagonistic. I don't know what your style is, and perhaps this is your 'thing' on the internet, to enter into discussions in this manner to try and prove some point as an amateur (or self-employed) internet journalist, so if I'm missing the point and your style is a troll-esque manner, then forgive me.
Though, before you no doubt turn on me for using the words 'amateur' or 'troll', lets not forget the way you said the female PCO was "just" a PCO, or consistently referred to her as "madame", to think about the way I have spoken. It's good to see people standing up for their rights, I completely respect that. Just, the method at which you entered the chatter with the police was completely unnecessary, do you not think? I feel moderately embarrassed for you watching this. "The way I was forcefully informed" and how you were "threatened with arrest"... you were not threatened with arrest, the calm officer tried to tell you what would happen if you didn't calm down, which is entirely fair given the way you were acting and the way you entered the so-called conversation - which was in an antagonistic manner.
"I think we have managed to de-escalate the situation" - I think you actually mean the cop has calmed you down.
If you can drop the know-it-all attitude whilst accusing others of being know-it-all, it would probably help. Fair play to this police man for remaining calm, because, with all respect, you were being a complete tool. Assuming that is your style, and was your meaning to be as antagonistic as you were, I gather it was in order to try and get some form of reaction to prove a point about the state of something in our country? Surely, in order to fairly examine or gather evidence toward the reaction of something, it would be to enter into said situation in a subjective manner, without trying to provoke or engineer a scenario?
Sam Johnson, what were you watching? He was totally bullied and cowed, didn't stand his ground, pcso was aggressive with the halt gesture, and you can't film here, then plod came over and said, think of the family of the victims, reporters are dispassionate, they record the events, not people's sensibilities, reporter mentioned 911, that was a great point, yes horrific, but it was NEWS.
@@ianhill4585 watch the opening one minute. He went into it looking to provoke. Condescending tone.
@@samaj2001 just watched it again, I saw the reporter filming the scene and nobody took the slightest bit of notice, he then changed his location, and met the pcso who escalated the situation, with the aggressive hand up, and you can't do this, directive, another thing, he himself pointed out was, he was outside the taped off area, and not bothering anyone or interfering with the scene. It was another case of do as I say - or else..........
@@ianhill4585 the person filming was acting in a manner that suggested he was trying to engineer a reaction. The cameraman was antagonistic in his tone. These are all undeniable things.
@@samaj2001 well I could agree with you, but then we both will be wrong.
This Channel is an education for all. Maybe he can be antagonising at times, but his knowledge and conduct demands respect from these people that would otherwise antagonise and intimidate us.
BMAC VAGS Hello Boydie. what are you doing here?
***** I get about...lol
Another cracking video Charlie. It never fails to amaze me just how few plods (and plastic plods) are actually aware of the laws about filming in a public place.
I would like the title of this video to be "Charlie gets owned"! no offence of course...
He’s right on the PCSO they have no power
Second cop was wrong too - he'd walked off, been advised, and came back with a better tone. He was happy to threaten an arrest for breach of peace on a citizen in no way breaking any laws, causing any obstructions. The male cop did indeed diffuse a situation, but a situation caused by himself and woman cop.
i hate people who go around looking for these kind of situations. just get a life
Yeah， I agree , that's waste police's time and impact the process of officer.
but why he mentioned North Korea here?
Real Copper did a good job explaining and the plastic copper was doing what she was told. A bit of public relations training wouldn`t go amiss, Madam!
I think there were both plastic pigs even the one trying to talk sensible was still ignorant and arrogant there are no good cops because they won't arrest the bad cops
I cannot ever understand how reflected light rays being captured interfere with a police investigation.
In America they teach you ASK, TELL, MAKE! Basically escalate until comply.
If you ever wanted to know what a knob was, just watch 3 minutes of this video.
I know how the Hell did he get in police force
The male officer was nice
Sorry this is just vile. My parents were involved in an RTA, and there were people filming my Mum being taken out of the car on a stretcher. It might be a "free country" but have some respect and leave families to deal with this kind of thing in their own way. I'm sure this prat would be the first to complain if filming was taking place while his family was suffering some trauma, or rather the aftermath of.
Vile maybe an extream term ....while i appreciate your saddness . But allow me to point out a fact ... a friend filmed an accident scean about an hour after investigati police left the scean ...days latter he noticed something on the video that he presented to the families solicitor and indoing proved a third party was the cause of the incident ...again while filming of the desd injured is wrong it can work both ways
He filmed nothing that would upset anyone, other than a cop. The fact that he had a camera in his hand was their problem. If he had a TV news crew they wouldn't say a word.
Nearly half a million views great video mate, wish you all the best, what a small minded witch. And you switched that round with the male officer very nicely.
Embarrassing some people class this as "Good work". You absolutely went out of your way to make a scene, you tried to come off as superior and overall an absolute upper class ******** of the highest order. Substitute ********** with whatever you feel appropriate.
The photographer did not at all go out of his way to antagonize anybody.
There is a way to deal with this situation. He took the route to agitate and try and make a scene of the situation.
zCmacZzz Good call..Could be his intentions all along for the purpose of the video.
erniemenard he clearly did try to antagonise, he was aggressive in nature with the male cop for no reason.
zCmacZzz How so? the middle of a closed down road, he is camera and most people want the best shot.
Power to the People :D
The copper is probably a Liverpool fan
thank you, Charles x.
He spoke to the other officer who informed him of the law and pointed out he was making a fool of himself so backed down.
Well done Charles,i watched this when you posted it but it's been brought back to life again.kerrching.
I'm not impressed how you sucked up to him at the end.
It’s better than getting arrested.
@@TheJustbristol27 I love when they kidnap and falsely imprison me. Took 150 thousand dollars from the last fucking traitor with a badge that falsely imprisoned me......
@@TheJustbristol27 feck off! he had no reason to arrest him - but saying that he did run off at the mouth which helped the cop get evidence of him being a twat
'You can bring the SAS' i lost it there
PACE s19 3)The constable may seize anything which is on the premises if he has reasonable grounds for believing-
(a)that it is evidence in relation to an offence which he is investigating or any other offence;
He wasn’t “on the premises” as defined by law. And this is AFTER the event.
So... The officer is lying. It’s all they do these days...
its legal to film anything in public.
im more amazed that both sides actually toned it down to a much more civil discussion instead of continuing to create a bigger and bigger scene. i wish it would be more like that in the US...
Charlie, I absolutely agree with your right to film in a public place (I do a lot of it myself) but you HAVE to try to remain calm and not create heightened tension.
He does it on purpose to make a better video with more views
@@RK-rf8rc Probably. But you don't need to create an opportunity for the police to invoke one of their bullshit, vague public order offences.
@@Gryffster oh, I agree with you
You were in a public place and, as you know, they absolutely can't stop you filming there. That PCSO demonstrated just how poorly trained they are compared to proper police officers. I don't think going into ranty mode so quickly helped the situation though, Charlie. But at least you and the PC de-escalated the situation and it turned into quite an interesting discussion in the end. Good video.
3 Bob police woman
1:10 "can I help you" no 😂😂
Charles you are a unique guy. Most people run from trouble. You on the other hand go looking for it.
Nope, he goes starting it
His should be upholding the law and Human Rights that his swore on when joining the police. His has clearly broke Article 7 Human Rights Act: No punishment without law and Article 10: Freedom of expression.
it's funny how things have changed. It's good looking back about how clueless the police were about photography laws.
You can bring the sas 😂😂😂 QUALITY!!!
Good Lord, your police are so polite compared to ours in the US. Meanwhile you kinda engage in silly political polemics.
Police officers are almost politicians these days in the UK
I did find you to be unjustifiably antagonistic towards the female officer in the beginning. But at 3:13, you became respectful which allowed you to defend your rationale successfully. I agreed with much of your rationale. And I believe that turning the camera on yourself was actually quite brilliant. More so, in assessing the 'likes' and 'dislikes' for your special feature, I'd like to draw attention to the polarizing effect it is having on the viewers and their opinions. What I find most interesting is the tally is nearly 50/50! And THAT, is the hallmark of great artwork. Well done!
PCO your opinion over "morality" doesn't have preeminence over people's rights.
Charles: I am part of the press.
Cop: Have you got nothing better to do?
All I can do is facepalm
Wasn't Chris a nice guy? Shame Charlie didn't get to give him a hug!
"Chris" was over excited and desperately trying to force forth that he had the upper hand, he has clearly been trained to ALWAYS be the one in control.
''You're here just to cause trouble. It's quite sad actually''. Says it all..
OMFG< are you the voice actor for Brian Griffin?
I actually get so awkwardly British when watching these encounters/confrontations I have to pause it and cringe a bit.
"Freest countries in the world"? It may well be, but they are trying to curtail those freedoms. It's down to activists like this who push back against them and for that we should be eternally thankful.
If England is "The Most Free Country In The World" im the bloody P.M ...
This is why Charlie’s videos need to exist. I thought this video was looked good for both Charlie and the police.
They are up there as being the top worst representations of the Police
"You can bring the SAS" lmfao!
Charlie you are incredibly patient. The cops are so full of crap.
He threatens you with s19 of PACE. I would try quoting s14 of PACE to see what he says to that.
Looking back at this interaction six years back and the comments that were made by the officer that 'we are the most free country on this planet', how things have changed with speech laws.
Bottle crashed after he was threatened with arrest. Went from righteous indignation to pitiful crawling in 2 mins. Lol
An idea for the future: keep a few cheap memory cards with you, and if they need it for evidence, just give them the card, put a new one in, and carry on filming. You can get cheap low capacity cards for like £3 these days
Charles,
You don't seem to be making many friends.
I would suggest seeing your GP in the first instance.
Psychotherapy under hypnosis can be very effective.
Your public advertising on a social media site showing how much police time and public money you waste is rather disturbing.
Hypnosis my uncover your underlying problem.
CJ
CJ, why don't I utterly ignore your advice and tell you to stick your passive aggressive thoughts up your proverbial arse. Get attention by making your own videos, not trying and failing to be a smart-arse on mine, bitch
Charles Veitch What a child.
"The most free country in the world" Wasn't true then and a million miles away from that now.
Right! All I was thinking was "compared to what?"
Just like a trotter with it's blinders on.
It's pointless talking to a programmed robot
The police officer is right.
Wing
Dave Clarke Wong
Morally yes but law wise no.
NO they were not. Stupid, they were just flexing their muscles, trying to stop a member of the public from filming, which is a lawful pastime in this instance.
Law wise no. ACPO guidelines states s.19 pace cannot he used for this circumstance.
You "don't film things on an amateur basis for the internet", you are a troublemaker, pure and simple.
No the police need to be accountable for overstepping their lawful authority and maintaining legal rights to citizens. Whether they like something or not is irrelevant, the police opinion doesn't matter, only the law that they should uphold matters in their interactions with the public..
Hey Charles Veitch this officer was right. PaCE section 19. 3a. 'The constable may seize anything which is on the premises if he has reasonable grounds for believing-that it is evidence in relation to an offence which he is investigating or any other offence'
So yes, he could do it, and your shocked little time where you stumbled clearly says that YOU KNEW nothing about that Act and he had outsmarted you. Shame you probably won't read this, and if you will, you will not admit that you're wrong.
Mattios oops forgot to link it www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/section/19