I took Diahan's Endogamy course in January and it was fantastic! Unfortunately, my personal life did not allow me to do as much deep dive as I had hoped for my own tree. But I highly recommend her courses. I plan to take more.
I am the administrator of a couple of surname projects at FTDNA. While the STR tests have some value they are approximations. The Big Y 700 test includes STRs, but the main use is SNPs. SNPs are definitive. I used Big Y 700 tests to get back beyond my 3rd great grandfather. My 4th great grand father was a brick wall for nearly 40 years and the Big Y 700 took me back to my 6th and 7th great grandfathers. It is cheaper in the long run go with the Big Y test from the beginning and it is definitive. I can even determine which mutations were born with which ancestor due to selecting who to test from autosomal DNA. This level isn't always attainable. I am fortunate enough to have been born into a family that had large families so I can get that kind of definition out of it. I've even identified back to an 8th cousin. My estimate is that there are at least 5,000 living descendants in my paternal line. With numbers like that it makes it much easier to find cousins that will take a Big Y 700 test and with the definitive results I can break down which of my 6th great grandfather's male children those cousins belong to. Big Y testing can be a powerful tool, but you have to be aggressive in searching for people to test. If you just sit and wait for matches to show up you will be disappointed with it. You have to go find them utilizing autosomal DNA.
I'm watching this for the 1st time as I follow along with my own tree, and I found a formerly enslaved recent common ancestor among 6 of my shared matches. I did this in combination w. the dotting system. It really works if you've done your due diligence and genealogy beforehand to ensure the tree you're using is accurate.
@@GenealogyTV it’s been like a thriller. Following you through all these episodes where you look for Fanclub and all of this has been so extremely helpful to my own research. Thank you for that. It’s like I want to see you get to a positive resolution to the mystery puzzle…
Regarding Hypothesis for person in your tree, in addition to adding the Hypothesis tag to the profile, you can type “(hypothesis)” in the suffix box after the surname which should make it visible in tree view.
Thank you so much for going through this step by step with a "real" genealogy problem. I loved that you combined YDNA, autosomal and genealogy. I also love the chart that you created of all the Davis and the dna matches. That really helps me visualize and think of another way to "view" my matches and compare.
Diahan Southard is simply AMAZING - this presentation was simply Brilliant - you were so VERY lucky to Recieved her help & advice- SUPER informative. Great work! BOTH of you - I have some Jenson's in my tree - Jens Frederick Jensen Sr - Married my 1st cousin 1x removed Mary Elizabeth Wilson He past away in 2002 - One never knows... We might be related even if Remotely --- THANKS AGAIN - for another Astounding Presentation
Great video. My paternal line is Italian so I only have three matches, two of them were far back enough for their known ancestors to be Saudi Arabian. Still fun to learn about the history of the line though.
I have a headache now. Don't think I'll ever be able to wrap my head around this. Finally (2017) convinced my brother to test and it's done me no good. EVEN after all these shows. But thanks for trying.
My paternal grandmother took Ancestry's DNA test a couple years ago. I looked at her results and found she has DNA in common with a couple of my maternal 1st cousins 1x removed. We looked at matches my grandmother has in common with my other relatives, and one person with the surname Schiller came up. Now, researching the Schiller's on my dad's side wasn't hard, and I traced my ancestry back to a Frank Schiller, but I also knew I'm descended from an Anna Maria Schiller on my mom's side, but I hit a brick wall with her. Now I know that 1.) both lived in the same city and both are buried in the same cemetery and 2.) both were born in Germany as indicated on U.S. census records. So I searched for their birth records. It turns out there are German birth records for a Franz Schueler and another one for an Anna Maria Schueler, the parents names are the same on both. Birth years also match the census records. So, given all the information I already acquired on each, and given Ancestry's DNA results, it would seem reasonable to conclude that my 4th-great grandfather Frank Schiller on my dad's side and my 3rd-great grandmother Anna Maria Schiller on my mom's side are siblings, making my parents 4th cousins 1x removed from each other. I doubt I would have ever made this discovery if it weren't for Ancestry DNA.
She needs to take Diahan’s DNA skills course. Then she would learn how to set up genetic networks and split them. There is allot more involved, but she teaches you all the skills to do this. And you can use them on lots of empty spots on your tree if you have them. As a result of seeing Diahan on here I have taken both her Y DNA course AND her “DNA skills” course which is for autosomal DNA. Now I am armed to the teeth to solve the biggest questions I have.
@@GenealogyTV Thats great. So you know how fascinating it is. When you add those skills and information to the things you teach here on your channel missing relatives don’t stand a chance do they!….8-). Or at least we know we have used all the tools and info available to us right now.
Thinking of three people I need to buy kits for - especially my 91 year old father in law. In response to tagging a person as a hypothesis - I suggest that the tree tags show publicly. For now I have a little image I put in, that says “caution”. You also did a video on adding emoticons in the name field. I suggest a caution sign.
Excellent, and excellent in its presentation of the collaboration. So difficult, sometimes, via IM/email, never mind to do so via video, in/near real-time.
I really enjoyed this. I believe my father was adopted. My mother and I have both done our DNA tests. So I'm curious to find out something about my paternal grandparents
My grandfather changed his name, and no one knew it. Using the information from his marriage records, I went looking for his father. Nothing, after 30 years. Then I decided to zone in on his place of birth and his mother, and bingo! found her through some autosomal DNA matches. When I traced his mother, I found that the person she was married to had a different last name than what he went by. A YDNA test from my first cousin proved the link. YDNA can help even 2 generations back.
Interesting information. There were quite a few takeaways to that. My problem, I have a full time job and this part is just one of half dozen hobbies. So getting back and using these tactics is rough.
Hi Connie - another great video! I just want to comment that you’re looking for your father’s and his 1st cousin’s great grandfather. So, you need to find great grandchildren of the Davis men to test. They would be Half 2nd cousins to your father and his 1st cousin. I think Diahan mis-spoke when she said they would be Half 1st cousins. It would also be helpful if your father has any living siblings or other paternal 1st cousins that would test as well - get everyone in the pool so to speak….
Unfortunately there is no one else to test. I’m working on going up two generations and out to descendants to find more men to test that would be about half third to fourth cousins.
I have 9 results for a 67 marker Y-DNA test. Six one step matches, One perfect match and two 2 step match. The CDY marker is mutated for both 2 step matches and one of the one step. Tracing all these families back to their gg grandfathers into the late 1700’s does not give a common ancestor. Should I expect a common ancestor to be in an earlier generation in the 1700’s? The other markers that are mutated from the group are DSY-520, DSY-390 DSY-576, DSY-437 & DSY-444. Are these the markers that mutate faster? Thank you
I disagree about using autosomal to find ancestors more than 3rd GG. Autosomal for me has been getting used to find the lines of my 2nd great grandmother.
This was interesting to learn about the Steps. I have done the 67 markers and I have 100s of matches, none of them have the last name of my biological father. There are three names that keep popping up, Webb, Maddux, and Ricketts. I guess that at some point some time back, one of my great grandfather's actually had one of these names? The YDNA thing is confusing. I am not sure if I should do the 111markers.
I did the Autosomal and 67 marker Y DNA tests some time ago. The problem with FTDNA is that the database is very small and not getting any bigger. I'll watch this tutorial a couple more times to see if I can get anything out of it.
So, it was great that she mentioned the 111 Marker tests and how she allows up to five steps, but what happens when you only have results in the 25 markers test? I have a ton of 1-step matches there, but no idea how many generations back I could reasonably be expected to search for a common ancestor with even the 1-step matches.
Great information with a lot to absorb. I do have a question. My 1c2r took the Big Y-DNA test. We do not understand why he has so many different surnames in his results. So far, none of them match our surname, "Mealue." Which we thought would not have a match for "Mealue." We know my 2x great-grandparents used the name "Melia" when they were married. My 2xs great-grandmother had the "Melia" name on her obit. Their children took the name "Mealue" when they went to school in the mid-1800s. Why would only one surname show up as "Melia" In comparing Y-DNA 12 marker Genetic Distance - Exact Match results, and 119 other Y-DNA 12 results have a variety of surnames? Thank you for reading this. I am unsure if anyone else is confused with so many surnames as I am or not. Cheers!
This is a complicated question with various possible answers. I highly recommend you take Diahan's YDNA class. They opened up new registrations. I took this class... and it's a great! Starts tomorrow 1/16/23. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/ (affiliate)
Ancestry lists which Dna you get from both parents combined and also lists which Dna comes from paternal and maternal sides of your family. How accurate is this,based on what I know from 20 yrs. of researching,it seems to be accurate in my case.
I see that this video was put up 11 months prior to my question, and realize FTDNA might have changed some features. Regardless, my question: Has FTDNA gotten rid of the tool to find generational differences - the tool Diahan Southard refers to @ around the 13 minute mark?
I suggest you join a surname group and talk to the admin about your specific situation. I did that with some of the YDNA kits I manage and those Admins are extremely helpful and understand the tiny branches of the genetic tree in each of the surname groups.
I liked this video, always enjoy watching to see if there are new things to learn. One expanded comment, I noticed it was generalized that y37 was a good enough to stop testing at if you see a common surname to focus on. I will have to disagree. As mentioned, mutations happen randomly, so you cannot stop here to see the best picture. I am a Co-Admin for a FTDNA project, and we have seen many people match 0-3 Genetic Distance at y37, but end up in a totally different haplogroup. If your going to low level testing (non-BigY) the best thing to do is y111 per our experience.
Not related to this video, but do you have a video (or helpful sites) regarding how to track down and connect relationships that are shared in the maternal and paternal lines to find that ONE (assuming it’s only one) COMMON-TO-BOTH-SIDES ancestor? My paternal line (there are fewer DNA samples) is showing DNA matches with my maternal line (large DNA samples)? There are over 40 primary hits (DNA matches with current relatives)….and these matches are producing more matches…..
I believe what you are describing is talked about in this video DNA - When Cousins Marry: Pedigree Collapse vs Endogamy ua-cam.com/video/Ilgl5707iP4/v-deo.html
You can do a lot now using thru lines. If your 5th ggf has branching then you are related to other descendants. So you can figure out surety, using both suspected parents, from their available descendants dna. So this for 6 generations is easier perhaps
I think you are looking for "mitochondrial dna". This is passed directly from a mother to all her children ( both boys and girls). (Y-chromosome dna is passed from fathers to sons, not daughters.)
Yes... what Surly Orgre said, mitochondrial DNA looks at the maternal side. You should know, it is not as popular, so matches might be fewer. It is sold at FTDNA. Here is my affiliate link if you want to give it a try. www.dpbolvw.net/click-9110145-13710350
I had my 1st cousin tested at the Y37 level ….he’s also RM269 and has 53 matches with lowest at step 3…..I find no surnames to our name and most are European matches, I’m thinking slave holders……I’m completely lost lol I don’t think I’m ready for her course yet
I am trying to help someone with their research. He took the FTDNA Y-DNA test with 111 markers. Should I just be looking at the matches for that test? Or can the 37 marker match's help at all since he didn't take that test?
Thankyou for this well im pretty well informed but the part of the ge tic distances was and is a very crucial part of dna understanding I have a gentic distances with jordan of 0.16245,hazor 1.57952 all my elders deceased so all I have to go off of is the gentic distances my 23and my test has non detected on every population and crigentic didn't give me any gentic distances but thankyou for.this info
What she said about genetic distance is not entirely accurate. I have matches to a kit with a genetic distance of 7 and a maximum MRCA around 1700 -- with a known paper trail. This also means the age estimates of TMRCA is off. Some lines tend to change more rapidly, including multiple steps on the same marker in one generation. My relative's kit is I1.
Very interesting. In the search to find my Great Grandfathers true birth family as he was adopted in the 1880s London before official adoptions began. I have done a Y-DNA test. The results were a bit disappoiting with only 1 person matching at 37 markers but 4 steps away. At 25 markers 49 matches but only 4 at 1 step away. At 12 markers 937 matches. Is it possible to use the 25 marker results to try and find out who my Great Grandfathers birth family were? I have also done an Ancestry DNA test.
This video just cost me $100. I saw a Clancy project on Family DNA with 130 members, some interesting info perhaps. A handful from Leitrim, so maybe some clues once my Y dna test arrives and then goes through the process.
I have a Tom Smith mystery, sometimes I think the only way we will get an answer is with a shovel. ;) Great episode. I've been wanting to database all Matches from all sites, but I hate Excel. Is there any other programs that would work? My ADD Logical brain should love Excel but nope.
What about if you are not carrying a lot cms to your grandfather's line? I do not carry a lot of genes from my grandfather's side ... Example I have a cousin which would be a 3d cousin but I carry ONLY 9 cms to her and I pretty much have low cms to my grandfathers side. So ancestry is telling me that they are all distant cousins ( like 6th etc) very few that come up higher. ... For years I have been trying to find my Great grandfather's father. Even if I could just only be able to find our true family surname would be awesome.
I highly recommend Diahan's courses. It might be worth the investments since you have been working on this problem for a while. Here is an affiliate link to her course platform. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/
It is quite a bummer that I don’t have any living male for my paternal grandparent. My only uncle is actually half through my maternal grandparent. So I can’t ask him. And I found through his dna matches that I have a high likely chance of knowing his father but he’s deceased and never had any other biological children. There is one person however his son said he doesn’t want to or wouldn’t do it an autosomal 😞
On my Y-700, only have 152 Y-12 matches,3 Y-25 matches ,1 Y-37 match and 1 Y-700 match. Need more male Sampson cousins. Johnson is my adopted last name.
I don't use my full real name on here, but I'm also a Southard. It's not a common surname and we're struggling with the DNA and a dead end ancestor. I think I'll have to look up her course.
Interesting that you have the same name. One never knows... you might be related. :) Here's my affiliate link if you need it. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/
All fun and games for American relatives, but most of my relatives are in Slovakia. I really need to find a living descendant of grandpas half brother now.
She's off by quite a bit. for every 100 years there will be about 4 to 5 generations. Back in the 1600 -1700 's the average age for a male to marry was 25 years old.
Not sure my brain will ever be the same...need to re-watch this one several times! Lots of good information to absorb.
LOL. Now you know how I feel.
I took Diahan's Endogamy course in January and it was fantastic! Unfortunately, my personal life did not allow me to do as much deep dive as I had hoped for my own tree. But I highly recommend her courses. I plan to take more.
Thanks for sharing! I certainly have learned a lot from her.
I am the administrator of a couple of surname projects at FTDNA. While the STR tests have some value they are approximations. The Big Y 700 test includes STRs, but the main use is SNPs. SNPs are definitive. I used Big Y 700 tests to get back beyond my 3rd great grandfather. My 4th great grand father was a brick wall for nearly 40 years and the Big Y 700 took me back to my 6th and 7th great grandfathers. It is cheaper in the long run go with the Big Y test from the beginning and it is definitive. I can even determine which mutations were born with which ancestor due to selecting who to test from autosomal DNA. This level isn't always attainable. I am fortunate enough to have been born into a family that had large families so I can get that kind of definition out of it. I've even identified back to an 8th cousin. My estimate is that there are at least 5,000 living descendants in my paternal line. With numbers like that it makes it much easier to find cousins that will take a Big Y 700 test and with the definitive results I can break down which of my 6th great grandfather's male children those cousins belong to. Big Y testing can be a powerful tool, but you have to be aggressive in searching for people to test. If you just sit and wait for matches to show up you will be disappointed with it. You have to go find them utilizing autosomal DNA.
I'm watching this for the 1st time as I follow along with my own tree, and I found a formerly enslaved recent common ancestor among 6 of my shared matches. I did this in combination w. the dotting system. It really works if you've done your due diligence and genealogy beforehand to ensure the tree you're using is accurate.
Thanks... and welcome.
Oh my god, this was one of the most amazing episodes. Can we please get to see the resolution after all the (Y)DNA tests have been completed?
I'll do my best. Yes... Diahan is amazing.
@@GenealogyTV it’s been like a thriller. Following you through all these episodes where you look for Fanclub and all of this has been so extremely helpful to my own research. Thank you for that. It’s like I want to see you get to a positive resolution to the mystery puzzle…
Regarding Hypothesis for person in your tree, in addition to adding the Hypothesis tag to the profile, you can type “(hypothesis)” in the suffix box after the surname which should make it visible in tree view.
That would work as long as the name is not too long.
Thank you so much for going through this step by step with a "real" genealogy problem. I loved that you combined YDNA, autosomal and genealogy. I also love the chart that you created of all the Davis and the dna matches. That really helps me visualize and think of another way to "view" my matches and compare.
Glad it was helpful!
Diahan is a great instructor. I am starting my 2nd workshop with her in July, YDNA!
Wonderful!
Wow! Definitely need to watch a few times to absorb all the info. Diahan is so knowledgeable.
Yes she is. I need to rewatch it myself.
Diahan Southard is simply AMAZING - this presentation was simply Brilliant - you were so VERY lucky to Recieved her help & advice- SUPER informative. Great work! BOTH of you - I have some Jenson's in my tree - Jens Frederick Jensen Sr - Married my 1st cousin 1x removed Mary Elizabeth Wilson He past away in 2002 - One never knows... We might be related even if Remotely --- THANKS AGAIN - for another Astounding Presentation
Thanks L Wilson
Best video yet! I’ve been considering Diahan’s DNA Skills class, and this has helped me decide to sign up.
Awesome! Thank you! I hope you do. I've learned a lot from her. Here's an affiliate link if you choose to do so. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/
Great video. My paternal line is Italian so I only have three matches, two of them were far back enough for their known ancestors to be Saudi Arabian. Still fun to learn about the history of the line though.
Very cool! Took both sides of my tree to Saudia Arabia through different routes.
That's awesome!
Wow! Excellent video!
Glad you liked it!
I am so lost. I'll be studying this video for at least a year. 🤯
Yeah... I highly recommend her course. It can be very complicated... but then all of the sudden it clicks. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/
Wow that's a lot of information to digest.. I'm going to have to go to familytree and get my Y DNA tested ..great job.. thank you
Glad it was helpful!
I have a headache now. Don't think I'll ever be able to wrap my head around this. Finally (2017) convinced my brother to test and it's done me no good. EVEN after all these shows. But thanks for trying.
My paternal grandmother took Ancestry's DNA test a couple years ago. I looked at her results and found she has DNA in common with a couple of my maternal 1st cousins 1x removed. We looked at matches my grandmother has in common with my other relatives, and one person with the surname Schiller came up. Now, researching the Schiller's on my dad's side wasn't hard, and I traced my ancestry back to a Frank Schiller, but I also knew I'm descended from an Anna Maria Schiller on my mom's side, but I hit a brick wall with her.
Now I know that 1.) both lived in the same city and both are buried in the same cemetery and 2.) both were born in Germany as indicated on U.S. census records. So I searched for their birth records. It turns out there are German birth records for a Franz Schueler and another one for an Anna Maria Schueler, the parents names are the same on both. Birth years also match the census records.
So, given all the information I already acquired on each, and given Ancestry's DNA results, it would seem reasonable to conclude that my 4th-great grandfather Frank Schiller on my dad's side and my 3rd-great grandmother Anna Maria Schiller on my mom's side are siblings, making my parents 4th cousins 1x removed from each other. I doubt I would have ever made this discovery if it weren't for Ancestry DNA.
Such great info! Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Confusing but helpful.
Yes... I understand. Thanks for your continued support William.
She needs to take Diahan’s DNA skills course. Then she would learn how to set up genetic networks and split them. There is allot more involved, but she teaches you all the skills to do this. And you can use them on lots of empty spots on your tree if you have them. As a result of seeing Diahan on here I have taken both her Y DNA course AND her “DNA skills” course which is for autosomal DNA. Now I am armed to the teeth to solve the biggest questions I have.
I have taken them both as well. I highly recommend her courses. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/
@@GenealogyTV Thats great. So you know how fascinating it is. When you add those skills and information to the things you teach here on your channel missing relatives don’t stand a chance do they!….8-). Or at least we know we have used all the tools and info available to us right now.
Fascinating…!
Fascinating
I know, right?
Thinking of three people I need to buy kits for - especially my 91 year old father in law. In response to tagging a person as a hypothesis - I suggest that the tree tags show publicly. For now I have a little image I put in, that says “caution”. You also did a video on adding emoticons in the name field. I suggest a caution sign.
Just curious as to why there was no attempt to look at the actual segments of autosomal DNA shared with the various testers . . .
Excellent, and excellent in its presentation of the collaboration. So difficult, sometimes, via IM/email, never mind to do so via video, in/near real-time.
That was brilliant. I’m hooked like a guilty pleasure soap opera. 😂 Now Joel Davis could be the grandpa?!!!??? Staying tuned….
I really enjoyed this. I believe my father was adopted. My mother and I have both done our DNA tests. So I'm curious to find out something about my paternal grandparents
I hope you find them.
@@GenealogyTV I found them! Yay! May Allison and Harold Lockwood.
Yay!!!!
My grandfather changed his name, and no one knew it. Using the information from his marriage records, I went looking for his father. Nothing, after 30 years. Then I decided to zone in on his place of birth and his mother, and bingo! found her through some autosomal DNA matches. When I traced his mother, I found that the person she was married to had a different last name than what he went by. A YDNA test from my first cousin proved the link. YDNA can help even 2 generations back.
Interesting information. There were quite a few takeaways to that. My problem, I have a full time job and this part is just one of half dozen hobbies. So getting back and using these tactics is rough.
I hear you. I never seem to get to do my own research these days.
Hi Connie - another great video! I just want to comment that you’re looking for your father’s and his 1st cousin’s great grandfather. So, you need to find great grandchildren of the Davis men to test. They would be Half 2nd cousins to your father and his 1st cousin. I think Diahan mis-spoke when she said they would be Half 1st cousins. It would also be helpful if your father has any living siblings or other paternal 1st cousins that would test as well - get everyone in the pool so to speak….
Unfortunately there is no one else to test. I’m working on going up two generations and out to descendants to find more men to test that would be about half third to fourth cousins.
Love all your videos Connie, but this one was a cut above!!!
Thanks Katherine.
I have 9 results for a 67 marker Y-DNA test. Six one step matches, One perfect match and two 2 step match. The CDY marker is mutated for both 2 step matches and one of the one step. Tracing all these families back to their gg grandfathers into the late 1700’s does not give a common ancestor.
Should I expect a common ancestor to be in an earlier generation in the 1700’s?
The other markers that are mutated from the group are DSY-520, DSY-390 DSY-576, DSY-437 & DSY-444. Are these the markers that mutate faster? Thank you
Does the Ydna test give specific subclades? R-L21 or R1b1a2a1a2c, also known as R-M529 or R-S145,
I disagree about using autosomal to find ancestors more than 3rd GG. Autosomal for me has been getting used to find the lines of my 2nd great grandmother.
Thank you. This is great.
You're very welcome!
This was interesting to learn about the Steps. I have done the 67 markers and I have 100s of matches, none of them have the last name of my biological father. There are three names that keep popping up, Webb, Maddux, and Ricketts. I guess that at some point some time back, one of my great grandfather's actually had one of these names? The YDNA thing is confusing. I am not sure if I should do the 111markers.
I like to use the YDNA in combination with atDNA (like you find on Ancestry, MyHeritage and the rest.)
Very helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
I did the Autosomal and 67 marker Y DNA tests some time ago. The problem with FTDNA is that the database is very small and not getting any bigger. I'll watch this tutorial a couple more times to see if I can get anything out of it.
Yes... I had to watch a couple of times myself.
So, it was great that she mentioned the 111 Marker tests and how she allows up to five steps, but what happens when you only have results in the 25 markers test? I have a ton of 1-step matches there, but no idea how many generations back I could reasonably be expected to search for a common ancestor with even the 1-step matches.
It's not too late to join Diahan's Y-DNA course. It just started this week. Learn more here www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/
Great information with a lot to absorb. I do have a question. My 1c2r took the Big Y-DNA test. We do not understand why he has so many different surnames in his results. So far, none of them match our surname, "Mealue." Which we thought would not have a match for "Mealue."
We know my 2x great-grandparents used the name "Melia" when they were married. My 2xs great-grandmother had the "Melia" name on her obit. Their children took the name "Mealue" when they went to school in the mid-1800s.
Why would only one surname show up as "Melia" In comparing Y-DNA 12 marker Genetic Distance - Exact Match results, and 119 other Y-DNA 12 results have a variety of surnames?
Thank you for reading this. I am unsure if anyone else is confused with so many surnames as I am or not.
Cheers!
This is a complicated question with various possible answers. I highly recommend you take Diahan's YDNA class. They opened up new registrations. I took this class... and it's a great! Starts tomorrow 1/16/23. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/ (affiliate)
Thank you for your suggestion. Sherry Mealue Parker
Ancestry lists which Dna you get from both parents combined and also lists which Dna comes from paternal and maternal sides of your family. How accurate is this,based on what I know from 20 yrs. of researching,it seems to be accurate in my case.
I see that this video was put up 11 months prior to my question, and realize FTDNA might have changed some features. Regardless, my question:
Has FTDNA gotten rid of the tool to find generational differences - the tool Diahan Southard refers to @ around the 13 minute mark?
I'm not sure. I have not been on FTDNA in a while.
Also keep in mind that one family may submit multiple tests for closely related family members that can inflate their numbers within your matches.
Interesting!
Waited to the end for answer: “when do you test for more YDNA STRs?” 😢
I suggest you join a surname group and talk to the admin about your specific situation. I did that with some of the YDNA kits I manage and those Admins are extremely helpful and understand the tiny branches of the genetic tree in each of the surname groups.
I liked this video, always enjoy watching to see if there are new things to learn. One expanded comment, I noticed it was generalized that y37 was a good enough to stop testing at if you see a common surname to focus on. I will have to disagree. As mentioned, mutations happen randomly, so you cannot stop here to see the best picture. I am a Co-Admin for a FTDNA project, and we have seen many people match 0-3 Genetic Distance at y37, but end up in a totally different haplogroup. If your going to low level testing (non-BigY) the best thing to do is y111 per our experience.
Interesting. Thanks for your advice.
Not related to this video, but do you have a video (or helpful sites) regarding how to track down and connect relationships that are shared in the maternal and paternal lines to find that ONE (assuming it’s only one) COMMON-TO-BOTH-SIDES ancestor? My paternal line (there are fewer DNA samples) is showing DNA matches with my maternal line (large DNA samples)? There are over 40 primary hits (DNA matches with current relatives)….and these matches are producing more matches…..
I believe what you are describing is talked about in this video DNA - When Cousins Marry: Pedigree Collapse vs Endogamy ua-cam.com/video/Ilgl5707iP4/v-deo.html
You can do a lot now using thru lines. If your 5th ggf has branching then you are related to other descendants. So you can figure out surety, using both suspected parents, from their available descendants dna. So this for 6 generations is easier perhaps
Just remember that ThruLines is built on other member trees. Thus, ThruLines may not be accurate. Use records to verify connections.
One ancestry change the profile photo to a question mark when you are not sure
What is the maternal test equivalent to this. I want to learn more about both side but is there a material test equivalent?
I think you are looking for "mitochondrial dna". This is passed directly from a mother to all her children ( both boys and girls). (Y-chromosome dna is passed from fathers to sons, not daughters.)
Yes... what Surly Orgre said, mitochondrial DNA looks at the maternal side. You should know, it is not as popular, so matches might be fewer. It is sold at FTDNA. Here is my affiliate link if you want to give it a try. www.dpbolvw.net/click-9110145-13710350
I had my 1st cousin tested at the Y37 level ….he’s also RM269 and has 53 matches with lowest at step 3…..I find no surnames to our name and most are European matches, I’m thinking slave holders……I’m completely lost lol I don’t think I’m ready for her course yet
I am trying to help someone with their research. He took the FTDNA Y-DNA test with 111 markers. Should I just be looking at the matches for that test? Or can the 37 marker match's help at all since he didn't take that test?
That's a good question for Diahan. You might consider her course. Here's my affiliate link if you want to investigate it. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/
Thankyou for this well im pretty well informed but the part of the ge tic distances was and is a very crucial part of dna understanding I have a gentic distances with jordan of 0.16245,hazor 1.57952 all my elders deceased so all I have to go off of is the gentic distances my 23and my test has non detected on every population and crigentic didn't give me any gentic distances but thankyou for.this info
Thanks
What she said about genetic distance is not entirely accurate. I have matches to a kit with a genetic distance of 7 and a maximum MRCA around 1700 -- with a known paper trail. This also means the age estimates of TMRCA is off. Some lines tend to change more rapidly, including multiple steps on the same marker in one generation. My relative's kit is I1.
Very interesting. In the search to find my Great Grandfathers true birth family as he was adopted in the 1880s London before official adoptions began. I have done a Y-DNA test. The results were a bit disappoiting with only 1 person matching at 37 markers but 4 steps away. At 25 markers 49 matches but only 4 at 1 step away. At 12 markers 937 matches. Is it possible to use the 25 marker results to try and find out who my Great Grandfathers birth family were? I have also done an Ancestry DNA test.
That is a question for Diahan. I recommend her Y-DNA class where you can ask questions. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/
What about finding DNA matches to the wives of the brothers?
Yes. I’m working on that.
What drawing program was Diahan Southard using to draw her flow charts?
Lucid Chart lucidchart.com
This video just cost me $100. I saw a Clancy project on Family DNA with 130 members, some interesting info perhaps. A handful from Leitrim, so maybe some clues once my Y dna test arrives and then goes through the process.
I hope you find them.
At one time 23 me gave us the Y, right
Yes... they still do.
I have a Tom Smith mystery, sometimes I think the only way we will get an answer is with a shovel. ;)
Great episode. I've been wanting to database all Matches from all sites, but I hate Excel. Is there any other programs that would work? My ADD Logical brain should love Excel but nope.
Maybe this latest episode would help about Excel. ua-cam.com/video/eONcu9lTbYY/v-deo.html
What about if you are not carrying a lot cms to your grandfather's line? I do not carry a lot of genes from my grandfather's side ... Example I have a cousin which would be a 3d cousin but I carry ONLY 9 cms to her and I pretty much have low cms to my grandfathers side. So ancestry is telling me that they are all distant cousins ( like 6th etc) very few that come up higher. ... For years I have been trying to find my Great grandfather's father. Even if I could just only be able to find our true family surname would be awesome.
I highly recommend Diahan's courses. It might be worth the investments since you have been working on this problem for a while. Here is an affiliate link to her course platform. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/
Many thanks. Wish I had Y-DNA matches to apply this process. My haplogroup is Q-BZ1234 which is said to be Native American.
Best of luck!
It is quite a bummer that I don’t have any living male for my paternal grandparent. My only uncle is actually half through my maternal grandparent. So I can’t ask him. And I found through his dna matches that I have a high likely chance of knowing his father but he’s deceased and never had any other biological children. There is one person however his son said he doesn’t want to or wouldn’t do it an autosomal 😞
Bummer is right.
On my Y-700, only have 152 Y-12 matches,3 Y-25 matches ,1 Y-37 match and 1 Y-700 match. Need more male Sampson cousins. Johnson is my adopted last name.
Perhaps you can seek out other descendants that make sense to test and offer to pay for their Y-DNA test.
@@GenealogyTV so far no Sampson male wants,too. Lumbee Indians hate DNA tests. If anyone knows a Sampson askbhim.
I don't use my full real name on here, but I'm also a Southard. It's not a common surname and we're struggling with the DNA and a dead end ancestor. I think I'll have to look up her course.
Interesting that you have the same name. One never knows... you might be related. :) Here's my affiliate link if you need it. www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/
All fun and games for American relatives, but most of my relatives are in Slovakia. I really need to find a living descendant of grandpas half brother now.
Understood
Wow . I guess I just wasted money hoping for Y at 23andme
I hear you.
I took the Big Y700 and have 0 matches😡
Change the threshold to a lower number. Not that many people can afford the Big Y test.
@Genealogy TV no way to change anything to my knowledge. I have a few 12 Marker matches but they say 24 generations back
So a woman can do a Y DNA test?
No.
@@GenealogyTV She referred to "Your test". It would make a difference if my brother did it even if we are the same generation, correct?
Y-DNA is only for men. Women do not have a Y chromosome.
She's off by quite a bit. for every 100 years there will be about 4 to 5 generations. Back in the 1600 -1700 's the average age for a male to marry was 25 years old.
Thanks for your comments. It's always helpful to see various perspectives. It certainly is a complicated subject and one that is still in its infancy.
HMM My Dad's y-dna has 137 matches and NONE share the same surname. Grrrr
I think I got lucky with mine.
That star on the chart was far too big
I didn't have $3600 to do this. =(
That is not the price.