What is the Greatest Springbok Team Ever? We pick a team of legends!

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  • @thomasdeetlefs2162
    @thomasdeetlefs2162 18 днів тому +3

    Loved this, but the insane thing about all this is that you could pick another rock solid team from all the Boks that were left out.

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  17 днів тому +1

      Totally! Could probably pick another side that will beat this one...

  • @brendo-h3v
    @brendo-h3v 18 днів тому +6

    Love this! My all time post WW2 Springbok team would be Os du Randt, John Smit, Frans Malherbe, Eben Etzebeth, Victor Matfield, Schalk Burger, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Hennie Muller, Joost van der Westhuizen, Naas Botha, Bryan Habana, Damien de Allende, Danie Gerber, Cheslin Kolbe, Percy Montgomery, Bismarck du Plessis, the Beast, Frik du Preez, Morne du Plessis, Fourie du Preez, Lukanyo Am, Andre Joubert. These are obviously based on how good they were in their era, for example a player like Hennie Muller would never make the current Springbok team as a number 8 being under 90kg, however I'd consider him the only Springbok in the all time rugby top 10 players.

    • @MrLinwood68
      @MrLinwood68 18 днів тому +2

      Here is my team (for what it’s worth 😊). Os du Randt, Uli Schmidt, Hannes Marais, Eben Etzebeth, Frik du Preez, Rueben Kruger, Martin Pelser, Siya Kolisi (c), Joost VD Westhuizen, Errol Tobias, Jean De Villiers, Danie Gerber, Bryan Habana, Ray Mordt, Gerry Brand. I picked Errol because I thought he was great at getting a backline going.

    • @brendo-h3v
      @brendo-h3v 18 днів тому +3

      @@MrLinwood68 Oh great team! I forgot about Hannes Marais, and great pick with Tobias, much better attacking fly half than Botha. I was very close to putting Uli and Rueben on my bench. Love the picks of Gerrie Brand and Ray Mordt as well :) And you're right, du Preez really should start ahead of Matfield in the second row,

    • @MrLinwood68
      @MrLinwood68 18 днів тому +3

      @@brendo-h3v Thanks. Out of interest I picked Pelser because Colin Meads (our Frik) rated him as the hardest player he ever came up against.

    • @brendo-h3v
      @brendo-h3v 18 днів тому +2

      @@MrLinwood68 That's really interesting, Pelser must have been hard as nails

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +2

      That is a whole different show all by itself, picking a Bok team from the amateur and professional eras. Perhaps a good idea would be to pick an amateur side and a pro side and matching them up. Love your team, agree on Naas, Gerber and Hennie Muller. If we are going old school, I would throw Ray Mordt and H.O. De Villiers into the mix

  • @nicolaasvanderkruk5029
    @nicolaasvanderkruk5029 18 днів тому +4

    First of all wonderful selections (might argue the bench selections, think Kitschoff went overlooked). I think Matfield and Bismarck revolutionized their respective positions for the professional era; the responsibility locks carry at line outs, the work and research they have to do and then hookers who have become loose forwards competing at breakdowns while still scrummaging and throwing line outs.
    I'll also add that I have a special place for Willie le Roux, I think his positional awareness is as good as Habana and Pollard and his playmaking is as good as Fourie du Preez.

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +1

      Totally agree mate, it was so difficult not to pick Willie. We have produced so many great players over the years, its always debatable.

  • @FrancoisVenter-x7c
    @FrancoisVenter-x7c 17 днів тому +3

    Some great selections here, challenge anybody to the post-world war 2 era to 1996 to choose a team against mine, likes of HO De Villiers, Windhond, Okey Giffin, Mannetjies Roux, Naas, Danie, Carel, Mordt, Morne, Klippies, Stephen Fry, Frik, Gainsford, Hopwood, and then will pit them against our professional team post 1995 for a win.
    Full team to come. Can't argue against the post 1995 pro teams chosen, except for Skinstadt, he should be in the mix if he did not get injured in that car accident, he would have been a rugby legend.

  • @KernowekTim
    @KernowekTim 18 днів тому +4

    Select a pre-pro era side please. I am from the 60's. Even as a life long Irish supporter my favourite player of All time is Danie Gerber. My favourite winger is Ray Mordt. People harp on about Lomu. Yes he was huge, yes he was a battering ram on attack, but he was crap in defence. Where-as Ray was brutally efficient in ALL departments. In my opinion Ray could have stuck Lomu on his arse fer the craic of it. Jeez, Mike West was a very hard man indeed: a former Rhodie SAS operator, but in an interview Mike said that he would not want to take on Ray Mordt in a fist fight. Mike said Ray was an extremely fit, brutally powerful and very hard man. Mike said also that Ray was a lovely man, as was the Mordt family. God bless to yous all☘

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +1

      That is definitely on our to do list! Ray Mordt is arguably the greatest right wing that ever played for the Springboks

  • @Mzansi74
    @Mzansi74 18 днів тому +3

    We just had so many Super Springboks. Any of the guys mentioned in your selection or the comments below can make a World XV. Our blood is GREEN!

  • @Eric-1924
    @Eric-1924 18 днів тому +4

    Select a pre 1996 best bok team ever also = before professionalism. The likes of Naas, Carel, Ruben, Gerber, Joost, etc.

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +3

      I'll do that, great idea

    • @KernowekTim
      @KernowekTim 18 днів тому +2

      I agree. Ray Mordt, Rob Louw, Wynand Claasen, Okkie Oosthuizen, Hennie Bekker, Carel and Willie and other fine Boks of the time.........ah man, these men were feared.

  • @FrancoisVenter-x7c
    @FrancoisVenter-x7c 17 днів тому +2

    Great idea to split the team in two periods, post WW2 and the professional era, otherwise it gets too confusing. We cannot go pre-world war 2, no coverage, but don't forget this was when Bok rugby was at its peak, we never lost a series until 1956 home or away!!!! (lost to AB's away in 1956), four grand slams of Europe, never to BI Lions (only between 1892 and 1896 before the Boer War which we will leave out), so for 56 years we were the undisputed champions of the world, nobody could touch us, our winning record pre 1956 against the all blacks was over 75%, so that was our golden era, we were the team of the world, not like now, we its always between the AB's and us.
    Just remember these players pre world war 2 - Boy Louw, (1910 - ), Japie Krige, Bob Loubser, Fairy Heatlie, Gerhard Morkel, PK Le Roux, Stegman, Danie Craven (still a world record for four positions?), Killer White, Paul Roos, PK Albertyn, Bennie Osler, Kiewit, - these were the real boys where the boks dominated the world - must have been over 80% winning rate for over half a century.
    That is proper rugby history

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  17 днів тому

      A man who knows his Springbok history... You are right Francois, for me there are 3 distinct periods on Springbok history. The early years (1889 - 1938), the Post WW2 or what I commonly refer to as the amateur era (1949 - 1995) and then the professional era (1995 onwards). Some great names you mentioned here. Don't forget the likes of Billy Millar, Boy Morkel, Philip Nel, Ryk van Schoor, Tjol Lategan Hennie Muller, Chris Koch, Piet du Toit, Jan Lots, Daan Retief, Gerry Brand and many many other. I think we need to start telling these players' stories on this channel...

  • @Eric-1924
    @Eric-1924 18 днів тому +3

    Peak Spies from the bench, would also have been a good option.

  • @mrfearfactory94
    @mrfearfactory94 15 днів тому +1

    my personal list :1. Os 2. Marx 3. Ox 4. Frik 5. Matfield 6. PSDT 7. Ellis 8. Vermeulen 9. Joost 10. Naas 11. Habanna 12. Mannetjies 13. Gerber 14. Kolbe 15. Heinus
    Edit, bomb Squad: Bismarck, Beast, Malherbe, Etzebeth, Bakkies, Venter, Du Preez, Pollard.

  • @kingrat738
    @kingrat738 15 днів тому +1

    AB's team to take on this Springbok side:
    1) Woodcock
    2) Fitzpatrick
    3) Hayman
    4) Thorn
    5) Retallick
    6) Collins
    7) MacCaw
    8) Brooke
    9) Smith
    10).Carter
    12) Umaga
    13).Smith
    14) Wilson
    11) Lomu
    15) Cullen
    Bench:
    Forwards: Meeuws, Mealamu, Brown Whitelock,.Jones (Michael)
    Backs: Marshall, Merhtens, Williams (SBW)

  • @davidmaclennan5925
    @davidmaclennan5925 17 днів тому +1

    Excellent discussion, just perplexed as to how you could have left Nick Mallet out of the coaching system?

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  17 днів тому

      That is a very good point. An excellent coach who definitely deserves to be part of the conversation. Kitch as well

  • @AffectionateMountainRang-xv8gv
    @AffectionateMountainRang-xv8gv 18 днів тому +1

    Guys Pollard not in the first 3 at flyhalf.Naas 1 morne steyn 2. Honnibol 3

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +1

      It's a matter of opinion

  • @deonmeyer9127
    @deonmeyer9127 18 днів тому +2

    Two great teams can't fault either which is normally easy to do. I think Skinstad would have been one of the greatest ever if he didn't mess his knee up in his car accident. Was never the same after that.

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +2

      Yeah I know, Bob should have got to 100 tests, he was that good

    • @deonmeyer9127
      @deonmeyer9127 18 днів тому +1

      @@RealRugby 100% he shouldn't make your starting 15 I think you guys hit it right on the head with your loose combo.

    • @derekallan1341
      @derekallan1341 15 днів тому

      Moral of the story is don't get drunk cause a fight get hit with a barstool on the knee and then drive away

  • @Eric-1924
    @Eric-1924 18 днів тому +2

    Excellent teams selected. Andre Joubert at 15? Danie Gerber at 13? Interesting, more players of the 2009 legendary bok team than the current great bok team in starting 15, not much debate there. Big difference will be the benches, I agree more with the bench on the left side. Will add Morne or Frans Steyn if we go 6/2 bench, because we need two great kickers, not just one, maybe go 5/3 bench to allow also for DW?
    Problem is, many fans compare earlier great players when they were older and not peaking anymore, with current players that are now peaking, and it is only the latter players they regularly see playing, for obvious reasons. Good example is Bismarck v Marx. Both legends of our game, but Bismarck at his peak was the all time great, maybe top 3 ever list of hookers.

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому

      I totally agree Eric, although South Africans are passionate rugby fans, folks quickly forget players and how good they were. I agree on Bismarck, he is an all time great. On Danie Gerber - he will be the first name on my Springbok team of we selected players from the amateur era, but as I mentioned in the video, we didn't think it is fair to compare amateurs vs professionals, although I can only imagine what Gerber would have done in a professional setup. He is still, in my opinion, the greatest Springbok ever

    • @Eric-1924
      @Eric-1924 18 днів тому

      @@RealRugby Thanks. Who was that great Scottish commentator, Bill McClaren (?), when he spoke about the Doring of Despatch, he became lyrical, and rightly so! 😬👍

  • @ockiev
    @ockiev 18 днів тому +1

    I did the same exercise last night.
    Andre Joubert
    Cheslin Kolbe
    Jaque Fourie
    Damian de Allende
    Bryan Habana
    Handre Pollard
    Fourie du Preez
    Duane Vermeulen
    Pieter Steph du Toit
    Schalk Burger
    Victor Matfield
    Eben Etzebeth
    Frans Malherbe
    Bismarck du Plessis
    Os Durandt
    Ox Nche
    Malcolm Marx
    Vincent Koch
    André Venter
    Lood de Jager
    Heinrich Brussow
    Joost van der Westhuizen
    Frans Steyn

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +2

      That is an epic team, can't fault that!

  • @neilblunt1926
    @neilblunt1926 18 днів тому

    Sorry guys, your selection criteria is wrong. It should be who is the best rugby player in their position and not how many WC or trophies etc they've won. I.e. who was the best player at Full back, right wing etc. Also There are so many you HAVE to pick 2 players in each position.

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +1

      Well, we set the criteria we wanted. It's a bit of fun, nothing more, nothing less

  • @AffectionateMountainRang-xv8gv
    @AffectionateMountainRang-xv8gv 18 днів тому +1

    And obviously you guys have not seen the best 13 of all nations Danie Gerber play .the best 13 to have ever played

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +1

      And obviously you didn't listen where we said we only selected players from the professional era. I even mentioned Gerber by name and said he won't be included for that reason. Plus, we have made the most comprehensive tribute to Danie Gerber you will find on the internet. Tell me again that I haven't seen him play...

  • @PeterRuiters-t3o
    @PeterRuiters-t3o 17 днів тому

    15 Andre Joubert
    14 Cheslin Kolbe
    12Michael du Plessis
    13 Danie Gerber
    11 Carel du Plessis
    10 Naas Botha
    9 Joost
    8 Pierre Spies
    7 PS du Toit
    6 Heinrich Brussouw
    5 Victor Matfield
    4 Wickus van Heerden
    3 Willouw van Niekerk
    2Bismarck du Plessis
    Os du Randt

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  17 днів тому

      We picked a team from the professional era only. Wikus at 4 where he never played? That's an odd choice. Also not familiar with Willouw van Niekerk, when did he play for the Boks?

  • @crowdedhouse007
    @crowdedhouse007 18 днів тому +1

    They still don't have a winning record against the All Blacks......who are the greatest Rugby team of all time!

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +1

      Tune in next week, we are selecting our greatest All Black team of the professional era

    • @battievandermerwe9121
      @battievandermerwe9121 18 днів тому

      @@crowdedhouse007 only from 2000 onwards. Amateur era up to 1999 the Boks had a superior win ratio against all teams, including the All Blacks.

    • @crowdedhouse007
      @crowdedhouse007 16 днів тому

      @ yes you are correct. But allow a fan to dream it’s always been this way. :)

  • @c38b88
    @c38b88 17 днів тому +1

    Os Durandt
    Malcolm Marx
    John Smith
    Eben Etzebeth
    Victor Matfield
    Schalk Burger
    PSDT
    Duane Vermeulen
    Fourie Du Preez
    Handre Pollard
    Bryan Habana
    Jean De Villiers
    Jacques Fourie
    Cheslin Kolbe
    Percy Montgomery
    bench
    Bismarck Du Plessis
    Beast
    Frans Malherbe
    Bakkies Botha /Danie Rossouw
    Kwagga Smith
    Joost vd Westhuizen
    Morne Steyn
    Frans steyn
    coach :Rassie

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  17 днів тому

      Great side! Very similar to ours

  • @battievandermerwe9121
    @battievandermerwe9121 18 днів тому

    1995 to date. All time
    F. Steyn. 15. J. Heunis
    C. Kolbe. 14. R. Mordt
    J. Fourie. 13. D. Gerber
    D de Allende 12. F. Roux
    M. Mapimpi. 11. G. Germis-
    huis
    H. Pollard. 10. N. Botha
    F du Preez.(c) 9. F. du Preez
    D Vermeulen. 8. H. Muller (c)
    J Smith. 7. T Stoffbergh
    R Kruger. 6. F du Preez
    V Matfield 5. V. Matfield
    E.Etsebeth. 4. E. Etsebeth
    F. Malherbe. 3. H Marais
    J Dalton. 2. U Schmidt
    P du Randt. 1. P du Randt
    Bench
    O. Nche. 16. F. Erasmus
    M. Marx. 17. P van Wyk
    R. Bands. 18. F. vd Merwe
    B. Botha 19. L Moolman
    PS du Toit 20. J. Ellis
    F de Klerk 21. J vd Westh
    H. Honniball. 22. H. Pollard
    W Le Roux. 23. G Pienaar
    Coach
    J. Erasmus. K. Christie
    People keep on saying it is "unfair" to compare the professionals of today to the players from the amateur era - here is the thing - under which rules would this fictitious game be played? If todays players were to play under the rules of yesteryear, they would have a hell of a hard time - the opposite would be true were the old timers allowed in the professional conditions. The rules of today protect the players much more( scrummaging, lineouts, tackles, mauling and all sorts of breaks) than was the case then, where just about anything went, except for malicious foul play - bites, punches etc. Imagine what Frik du Preez would have been able to do in the lineouts, were Mof allowed to pick him up at arms length above his head, or had they the gyms, nutrition and science behind them that is applicable now.
    I've had the privilege to watch all these players play, in real time, with the exception of Hennie Muller, whose record as captain is what people dream of, and NO UK scribe could put out anything negative about the man. Like SA inventing the 3,4,1 scrum against NZ, he did the same for 8th man play which is used as a base till today.
    It is a pity Joost and Fourie competed in the same era, they are by far the two best scrumhalves SA produced, hence Joost's selection on the bench for the All Time team, and he has played with Naas, and the same applies to Habana and Mapimpi, the latter may be less flamboyant, but has a far better strike rate.
    I gues the selection of Dalton will raise a few eyebrows, but he like Schmidt and Piston, is the epitome of a Springbok hooker. The biggest disapointment for Kitch running up to the '95 RWC final was his unavailabilty as a result of a clown disciplinary commitee.

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  18 днів тому +1

      Good teams you have selected and and the question you raise about which rules will be used is one of the reasons I don't think you can pick an all time dream team from both eras. I think there are players from both eras that deserve their place in the sun. Thanks for the comment!

  • @georgestegmann5155
    @georgestegmann5155 16 днів тому

    Mannetjies Roux and Danie Gerber .. senters.

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  16 днів тому +1

      Yeah, as we said in the video, we limited our selection to professional players only

  • @rassienortier5096
    @rassienortier5096 15 днів тому

    Good team, don't agree with John (he was part of reason we lost 2004 wc). Agree with ox, also would go with Marx. Sjoe, think of de Allende and Fourie, nag.

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  15 днів тому

      Didn't know we played a WC in 2004...

    • @abrahamkoopman3711
      @abrahamkoopman3711 13 днів тому

      ​@@RealRugby😮😊😅😂😂😂

    • @rassienortier5096
      @rassienortier5096 13 днів тому

      @RealRugby my mistake, 2003

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  12 днів тому

      @rassienortier5096 how did John Smit contribute to us not winning the RWC in 2003? We had a very average team that went to that tournament, was drawn in a tough pool against England and at that point Straeuli lost the plot. What was John Smit's role in all of that? I'm just curious

  • @rassienortier5096
    @rassienortier5096 15 днів тому +1

    Rg snyman.......

  • @user-ps4kw9eu7d
    @user-ps4kw9eu7d 12 днів тому

    Julle ken nie julle rugby nie😂😂😂😢😢😢

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  12 днів тому

      @@user-ps4kw9eu7d laat ek raai... JY is die enigste ou wat sy rugby ken. Daar is altyd een in die comments

    • @mallenzze_rhodes
      @mallenzze_rhodes 11 днів тому +1

      7k + views says otherwise pal

    • @RealRugby
      @RealRugby  11 днів тому +1

      ​@@mallenzze_rhodes Boom! There's always one doos in the comments section

  • @user-ps4kw9eu7d
    @user-ps4kw9eu7d 12 днів тому

    Ek sal n span kies wat julle sin skaam sal maak

    • @mallenzze_rhodes
      @mallenzze_rhodes 11 днів тому

      We wait with baited breath mate - Let's see what you got! What is this team that will put ours to shame?