Potential Bonds - A SciShow Video Response

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  • Опубліковано 1 гру 2014
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    This is a video response to a SciShow Talk Show interview with Veritasium:
    • Logic Problems, Energy...
    SciShow's Channel: / @scishow
    Veritasium's Channel: / 1veritasium
    Potential Energy Links:
    Gravitational force: • Why the solar system c...
    Strong interaction: • Your Mass is NOT From ...
    Nuclear force: phet.colorado.edu/en/simulatio...
    ***This video uses a simplified model of how organisms process glucose. In actual cellular respiration, organisms do not convert glucose and oxygen directly into water and carbon dioxide. There are internetiate steps. Also, there are other ways in which organisms can process glucose, namely processes which to not take up oxygen. This is why plants can produce more oxygen than they use, and why you and I are not suffocating right now.
    Music in this video downloaded from the UA-cam Audio Library:
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    UPDATE - Aug 18, 2015
    The Science Asylum made a good video response to the interview as well. Check it out: • Bonds Do NOT Have Energy!

КОМЕНТАРІ • 58

  • @ScienceAsylum
    @ScienceAsylum 9 років тому +43

    I saw this same SciShow vid when it came out and it had me off balance for a day or so... but it's all a matter of where you define "zero" energy. The physics equations we use define zero potential energy at infinity (so, basically, the end of the universe or no bond). In biology, you never actually get to "no bond" because there are always chemicals, so it doesn't make as much sense to use the same zero.
    I've actually been meaning to do a video about this. Looks like you beat me to it ;-)

    • @frameofessence
      @frameofessence  9 років тому +11

      ***** Haha, don't let me stop you! It's always interesting to see different perspectives.

  • @liamamyot5608
    @liamamyot5608 7 років тому +11

    YOU GOTTA PUT MORE VIDEOS OUT! you're an amazing presenter/host!

  • @MakeMeThinkAgain
    @MakeMeThinkAgain 8 років тому +3

    I came here from Veritasium but I have to agree with Hank while seeing Derick's point. An energy bar contains energy even though you have to expend energy in digesting it.

  • @sgouli
    @sgouli 8 років тому +1

    love your videos! :D
    you give a great perspective on the topics at hand, hope to see more in the future ^^

  • @frameofessence
    @frameofessence  8 років тому +3

    ***** made a really good video response to the interview as well. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/g39nwNm0Xfw/v-deo.html

    • @ObjectsInMotion
      @ObjectsInMotion 8 років тому

      In that case, if we are using Hank's argument, we should say the energy is stored in the oxygen, because most of the energy is released when the CO bonds are formed into CO2, not when the glucose OH bonds form water.
      The error comes in singling out glucose as the energy storer.

    • @saltyman7888
      @saltyman7888 7 років тому

      has senpai noticed you yet?

    • @frameofessence
      @frameofessence  7 років тому

      金大恩
      :'(

    • @saltyman7888
      @saltyman7888 7 років тому

      Frame of Essence
      its ok. one day.

    • @frameofessence
      @frameofessence  7 років тому

      金大恩
      :D

  • @anonymoushawk1429
    @anonymoushawk1429 8 років тому +4

    You have awesome science videos!!

  • @noamtashma2859
    @noamtashma2859 8 років тому +27

    you missed half the argument, in my opinion.
    people usually say glucose is rich in energy and that this energy is stored in the bonds of glucose. but the energy that glucose isn't actually coming from there - it comes from the the carbon's and the oxygen's merging into carbon dioxide.
    it isn't that people usually say that the energy of environment A (=glucose + oxygen) is greater than that of environment B (=water + carbon monoxide). rather, they're saying glucose carries energy.
    the popular explanation never says "glucose and oxygen carry more energy than water and carbon dioxide", they say "glucose has energy". and that's wrong and misleading.

    • @josephmarsh5031
      @josephmarsh5031 6 років тому +1

      I like his videos but I agree with you. I do think he had a point about it being a better cognitive tool but I think we as people are too prone to creating narratives rather than understanding the facts of any given matter.

    • @orlandomoreno6168
      @orlandomoreno6168 4 роки тому +2

      It's not wrong. Glucose "has energy" in some potential form.

    • @HeythemMD
      @HeythemMD 3 роки тому

      So does carbon dioxide...

  • @Njuuuuuu
    @Njuuuuuu 9 років тому +11

    First!
    Mom will be proud

  • @jmanzx5508
    @jmanzx5508 8 років тому

    This video (and the one from The Science Asylum) quite enlightened me. Thumbs up!

  • @ak7586
    @ak7586 8 років тому +2

    Dude, what a community... ☺

  • @iamamithshetty
    @iamamithshetty 6 років тому

    Greatest explainer.

  • @Lolwutdesu9000
    @Lolwutdesu9000 6 років тому +1

    Great video. Next, all the mistakes in MinutePhysics videos!

  • @aajjeee
    @aajjeee 7 років тому +1

    so its true that the energy isnt in the bonds, but as a potential energy what can be made from creating more stable bonds

  • @Tomyb15
    @Tomyb15 7 місяців тому

    Derek is right as far as the point he was making is concerned.
    Any particular bond is a net loss of energy compared to the same atoms when broken apart from each other. Hank often said that "energy is released when breaking chemical bonds" which is precisely the misconception that Derek was correcting.
    But it is true that the molecule of glucose has more energy than the co2 and water that it came from, and that energy is indeed somewhere in the bonds of the molecule. But the point is that the entire molecule as a whole, the system of bonds, has more energy than the molecules used to make the glucose. Stronger and more stable bonds in co2 and water were replaced with a bunch of other bonds that when compared to the bonds in co2 and water, have more potential energy.
    Another caveat is that you need o2 to break apart the glucose and release the 23 or so atp molecules' worth of energy. That o2 also has a weaker bond than the bonds in the final product and thus contributes to the net energy output of the reaction. Meaning that it's not really correct to consider fuel to be the "source" of energy in a redox reaction (as we often think).

  • @garetclaborn
    @garetclaborn 6 років тому +7

    "really guys? doesn't it seem a little silly to argue about this?"
    [proceeds to present arguments]

    • @frameofessence
      @frameofessence  6 років тому +6

      But it's an argument about the argument, so I get a pass right? :P

    • @garetclaborn
      @garetclaborn 6 років тому +1

      psch nah you only get a pass because you had good arguments lol
      aint no inception up in here

    • @sssgautammm
      @sssgautammm 6 років тому

      Loved the video, keep making awesome videos. Ignore comments from the haters. :V

  • @chazguthrieful
    @chazguthrieful 2 роки тому +1

    I sure miss your making new videos.

    • @ourtube1128
      @ourtube1128 2 роки тому

      You and I both man. I subscribed a long while back thinking they'd continue and he'd be up with the best of them :-/

  • @unoriginalusernameno999
    @unoriginalusernameno999 6 років тому

    Its all very conventional. Consider two situations where in the first case the object undergoes an exothermic process and second, an endothermic process.
    Case 1: Exothermic
    Object loses heat
    Medium gains heat.
    Case 2: Endothermic
    Object gains heat
    Medium loses heat.
    You see, if the object undergoes an exothermic process then it is an endothermic process for the medium and vice versa.
    So in a closed system where there is an object and a medium, there can never be an "increased" energy state or "decreased" energy state. It is very subjective, when we talk about this and we have adopted the convention that bonding means that the newly formed molecule has more energy than when its component atoms are seperated.

  • @theowleyes07
    @theowleyes07 6 років тому

    Hey have you have ever heard about ATP

  • @TheSandreGuy
    @TheSandreGuy 8 років тому +31

    Why can't these guys just ask a *chemist*?

    • @purewaterruler
      @purewaterruler 8 років тому +14

      +The Sandre Guy hank is a chemist.

    • @TheSandreGuy
      @TheSandreGuy 8 років тому

      purewaterruler
      Really?

    • @Tiago211287
      @Tiago211287 7 років тому +2

      DO you think Chemists would know? We are constantly teaching stuff that seems correct but are misleading.

    • @Dani0x1B
      @Dani0x1B 6 років тому +3

      Chemistry is just applied physics...

    • @garetclaborn
      @garetclaborn 6 років тому +1

      ha hank is not a chemist. he's an avid science spokesman with a bachelor's in biochem sure. he is capable of chemistry but i would be pretty surprised if even he would call himself a chemist let's not get carried away here lol

  • @ohokcool
    @ohokcool 7 років тому

    It makes more sense to think of it as energy storage because it demonstrates the relative increase in potential energy in the system. I think you were too fair with Derek's argument. Simply put, if you put more energy into a system than you lose getting it to a stable configuration, the energy is being stored. Derek's view seems to ambiguate or ignore relative potential energy that's the only problem I have with it. It makes more sense to look at final potential change rather than based on change relative to the transition state. What do you guys think?

    • @mina86
      @mina86 7 років тому +1

      Derek’s point is that energy is stored *in the system* but not *in the bonds*. For example, O2 molecule has less energy than two oxygen atoms.

  • @johnnybravo1041
    @johnnybravo1041 6 років тому +2

    Dude I might recommend changing the music; it doesn't really feel like the right demographic.

  • @yyny0
    @yyny0 8 років тому

    3:48 U 2

  • @MaxwellsWitch
    @MaxwellsWitch 6 років тому +1

    It's not in the lowest possible ground state--the end!

  • @kamran133
    @kamran133 7 років тому

    No dislikes as it should be! Great job.

  • @biratuba
    @biratuba 7 років тому

    what is the third video at 1:57 like i doesn't have an hyperlink

    • @frameofessence
      @frameofessence  7 років тому

      It's a PhET simulation. Link in the description

  • @josephkent9870
    @josephkent9870 2 роки тому

    I wounder if the sun will go dead out 1st or humanity. If humanity goes out 1st, it could be ww3, large meteorite, cosmic event (blackhole). Only time will tell, and in the end life is what we make of it. I'm glad to live in a time where the world is so interconnected more than ever, since the past 200 years.

  • @tofolcano9639
    @tofolcano9639 8 років тому

    verissassastium?

  • @TacoSt8
    @TacoSt8 7 років тому +1

    its physics vs biology

  • @AnstonMusic
    @AnstonMusic 8 років тому +2

    I see that someone's been listening to HI. :D
    Veristablium.

  • @guineapigger3426
    @guineapigger3426 6 років тому +4

    You're representation of of photosynthesis is wrong and not because it doesn't show the complex pathways. The oxygen that comes out of plants didn't come in in the form of CO2 like you show here; it came in as water and was split to supply hydrogen radicals. Since aerobic respiration evolved from photosynthesis, the oxygen you breath in comes out as water not CO2. Please don't promote this common misconception.

  • @PasinduPereralink
    @PasinduPereralink 8 років тому

    Ha, take that UA-cam

  • @randomquestion7592
    @randomquestion7592 7 років тому

    This is all beautifull and so but.....first make some basic videos that explain atoms and bonds.

  • @harsharya545
    @harsharya545 3 роки тому

    Energy is lost

  • @JesusChristlovesyouverymuch
    @JesusChristlovesyouverymuch 9 місяців тому +1

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