A Turning Point For Carrier-Based Fighters: McDonnell F2H Banshee
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2024
- In this video, we talk about the McDonnell F2H Banshee, a late-World War 2/Post-War/Korean War jet fighter that represented an effective end of an era for fighters and carrier-based fighters. We first talk about its predecessor, the McDonnell FH Phantom, a design that was basically the same plane, just smaller. We talk about why the small company McDonnell was tasked with the project in the middle of WW2, how the Phantom performed, and how it evolved into the Banshee.
We then look at several of the Banshee variants and how it succeeded early in the Korean War as an escort and reconnaissance aircraft. We also talk about why it succeeded in these areas, in part due to reasons outside of its control, and why it would never really be used outside of these roles, even though it was designed as a fighter. We talk about how it compared to swept-wing aircraft like the MiG-15 and F-86 Sabre and straight-wing aircraft like the P-80 Shooting Star and F9F Panther, why the Navy wanted straight-wing fighters, and why the Navy had to make the shift. We end by talking about the short and pointless career or the Banshee in the Royal Canadian Navy.
Thrust is not measured in foot-pounds, simply in pounds of thrust.
Wing tip tanks are not drop tanks. They stay on for the entire mission.
yeah foot pounds is a measurement of torque.
"Wing tip tanks are not drop tanks. They stay on for the entire mission."
To clarify, perhaps they were not droppable on this aircraft, but that is not true for all aircraft. The tip tanks of the F-80 and F-104 were jettisonable.
@@brentwalters8921 Torque is a twisting motion. But firearms, or more accurately the ammunition, is also measured in foot pounds.
Thanks for tis - I was wondering what the heck changed with nomenclature. It was otherwise a great video
Foot-pounds is energy. Pounds-feet is torque
Sorry to be that pedant, but the Sea Vampire was the first jet aircraft to land and take off from an aircraft carrier.
That's nice. We're talking about the US NAVY...
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That wasn't stipulated
Ft lbs is the units for torque not thrust or force. 😅 Great Video! BTW the north perimeter road at Lambert Airport in St. Louis is named Banshee. It goes behind where the McDonnell final assembly building used to be. All gone now.
Agreed. Wiki says: "Thrust is measured in “pounds of thrust” in the U.S. and in newtons in the metric system. 4.45 newtons of thrust equals 1 pound of thrust. A pound of thrust is how much thrust it would take to keep a one-pound object unmoving against the force of gravity on earth."
Boeing F18 assembly is STILL located off Banshee. I go by it all the time on my way to work elsewhere at the airport.
@@jimreilly917 actually, F-18E/F and F-15EX final assembly is in Boeing’s building 67 which is off of James McDonnell Blvd. Banshee ends at the rail road tracks at the east end of the airport property. The old McDonnell final assembly building 2 was sold to an aircraft maintenance company.
The De Haviland Vampire was doing take offs and landings on carriers in Dec 1945, when did the Phanton do this. It had a range of 1220 miles and Its initial production order was for 120 in NMay 1944 and its top speed was above 500 mph.
In 6th grade I had a teacher tell me that calling the AH-64 the "Apache" was racist. I said that I felt like it was an honor because the AH-64 is awesome. Since she walked away and I got to continue whatever I was doing without further harassment, I consider that a small victory.
You can very clearly see the evolution of the McDonnell line of fighters from this, all the way to the F-15. The low mounted engines, the beginning of the tail-on-boom layout, and with the Demon, the classic Voodoo, Phantom ll, and F-15 wing planform. Great video.
And the McDonnell XP-67 Moonbat began it all, a very sleek propeller aircraft that looked like it should have jet engines! 😎👍
Thanks for giving some attention to a widely used, but largely forgotten 1st generation jet. I thought it was extensively used for ground attack, but my knowledge base was pretty much the book, 'The Bridges of Toko-Ri' in which the protagonists were portrayed as flying Banshees as opposed to the Panthers in the movie.
Growing up in the '60s, when there were still Banshees in the reserves I saw several photos of them with what looked like a refueling probe sticking out of a gun port.
As for second-generation swept wing fighters, the Navy wanted them badly, but had to wait until the aerodynamics developed to allow safe low-speed handling.
The Banjo was a much loved Fighter...
Disclaimer: not an expert.
A thought, if you don't mind. 6x .50cal in the wings or 4x .50 cal in the nose. The nose armament has definite advantages such as no need to harmonize the guns, and greater pilot confidence in a fight*. The later Saber/Fury dispensed with wing mounted armament forever (for more reasons than one), concentrating its MGs along the fuselage, either side of the intake. This moving of guns inboard of the wings increases potential roll rate, a useful quality for a fighter.
*Especially in a high speed pass.
My sainted father served on-board the Valley Forge (CV-45) from 1950 to 1952 and the Valley Forge embarked the F9F Panther. Although the Banshee was a fighter, the F9F Panther was a better all-around fighter because it was a much better gun platform and also was extensively used in the ground attack role.
McDonnell's naming convention only applied to fighters and was similar to Republic's naming convention for their fighters and attack aircraft to be given the prename _Thunder_
Man, this is crazy, I just started playing with it couple of days ago in War Thunder. These early jets from the Cold War have a certain charm on them. I barely knew the Banshee before I started playing and now with this video, I'm happy to say it earned a place among my favourites!
One of the things the Banshee did better than other Navy fighters (specifically the Panther) was that it was a better interceptor. The Banshee didn't just have a better service ceiling and top speed than the Panther but it had a higher climb rate. The reason this was so important for the Navy was that straight deck carriers couldn't handle large early warning aircraft meaning that the warning of an enemy attack on the fleet would be coming from radar pickets (either a destroyer or maybe one of the fancy new radar picket submarines). Interception in that case would be from the carrier deck not by interceptors already in the air because flight endurance of jet fighters was quite low and inflight refueling was still a new thing (the Navy would retrofit that capability in odd ways as the technology developed like refueling probes on the drop tanks). Of course in Korea this didn't get combat tested (that I know of).
The idea of an interception from the carrier deck would continue with the F4D Skyray, which was one of the first carrier planes to set to speed and climb records. Skyray squadron VFAW-3 would have the distinction of being the only Navy squadron assigned to NORAD. That the Navy had a requirement for an interceptor, night/all weather fighter, and a fighter/fighter-bomber helps explain why so many fighter aircraft were built for the Navy during that time.
But with angled deck carriers, inflight refueling, and airborne early warning the need to intercept from the carrier deck became less of an issue. So the carrier based interceptor gave way to the fleet defense fighter.
Would be cool to have an video explaining the details about centrifugal flow jet engines against linear flow jet engines :D
Foot pounds.. how fast was it in furlongs per fortnight?
For the Banshee at max speed, that's approximately 1,559,040 furlongs per fortnight.
You deserve a lot more subscribers...
Beautifully narrated. So refreshing in an age of obnoxious robo voices and poor scripting.
I click right off the second I hear a soulless AI voice. Especially on shorts, it comes across as a shitty cashgrab.
Torque is measured in lb/ft.
Thrust is measured in lbs.
I hope you learned something.
And lbf is pounds force as opposed to lbm (pound mass)
"I hope you learned something."
He didn't learn last time one of his videos generated multiple comments on this error. Maybe he keeps making the misstatement to generate more comments.
The Sabre dance was F100 wasn't it? I've never heard Sabre dance used for the f-86. Never heard anyone else say the f-86 will even do the Sabre dance. Also foot pounds is a measure of torque, not thrust.
Keep it up
It would have been good to mention that the DH.100 Vampire was the first jet aircraft to land and take off from a carrier
My dad served abroad the carrier USS Randolph 1055-1959. They carried the Banshee and another variant they called the Srceaming Banshee. I'm not sure which variant that was but I'm guessing it was powered by a different engine as dad said they would leave heavy scouch marks on the flight deck.
You should have mentioned problems with straight-decked aircraft carriers and jets. Angled decks made swept wings on naval jets possible.
Thrust in pounds force. Foot-pounds is measurement of torque.
if Ireland is gonna apologize for anything, it should be for naming a town *Sneem.*
Please make a video about the super Crusader 3
Don't forget the F-110 "Spectre", later renamed F-4 "Phantom II" as you mentionned
The YF-110A existed for less than a year - it was an unmodified F4H-2 - before being redesignated F-4C. The subsequent F-4D came about 2 years later as the Air Force wanted it to be modified to use THEIR IR-homing missile, the AIM-4 Falcon, which had a longer range than the AIM-9 Sidewinder. But the pilots hated the Falcon after being used to the Sidewinder, and the Air Force ended up rewiring the F-4D back to using the Sidewinder.
The Mig 15 was based an the last German designs from WW2 with a British engine. Thank the Labour Party.
Soviets: "Da Commrade, we promise not to use for combat planes!" 😂
Clement Atlee, mr gullible himself.but the type lives on unfortunately.
The XF4H was to be named "Satan." The Navy was not onboard with that, so they changed the name to "Phantom II."
It is always easy to accuse admirals of being hide-bound traditionalists, but there were very real problems with the low speed characteristics of swept wing aircraft and thus in ooerating swept wing aircraft from aircraft carrier. Understanding these took some time
2:37 - Maybe because the two different names are helicopters. Also, how does a ramjet helicopter work?
Very interesting! For the fact, that McDonnel didn't have a former design philosophy, they did pretty much stuck with one concept for as long as possible. First Phantom/Banshee, then Demon/Voodoo/Phantom II, after that F-15/F-18. No critic, why change a running system, just sayin'. If you look closer you can even see concepts carrying over from phantom to F-15, they loved their funky tail surfaces for sure.
If it ain’t broken, don’t fix it. Since the Eagle is undefeated in 50 years of air to air combat, it ain’t broken.🦅😎
Bridges if Toko- Ri.
Phuck, it’s the Phantom! Be Buggered, it’s a Banshee.
Me good not speaking at words too
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The narrator is another Shakespeare’s Polonius.
Man, I like your videos but background image has a Grumman Panther
Where do you see a panther?
@@WALTERBROADDUS background photo with the wings folded
@@vascoribeiro69 okay, but the whole video is about the banshee.
Agreed.
The thumbnail photo is indeed a Banshee. Oddly enough, the video opens with an image of a Panther with its wings folded.
The easiest way to tell the difference is by their tails. The vertical stabilizer on the Banshee is fairly vertical. The vertical stabilizer on the Panther is significantly swept back.
Cheers
@@ArcFixer the wing fold joint is much closer to the fuselage in the Panther. As the main landing gear. Anyway an excellent video
As a Canadian bookworm who has been reading voraciously for 40+yrs, your description of our military aviation as "costly" and "pointless" is unfortunately all too accurate.
Having a firmly Irish heritage makes want to defend the banshee however; as being sad about an impending death (NOT causing it) isn't sinister at all. Hope somebody wails when I pop off, certainly better than cheering.
Why was it called the banjo?
Because it wasn't.
Thrust is measured in pounds, not pounds feet
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Err, I know you American chaps like to think you are the best but please check the actual first jet carrier launch.
Our bestWWII fighter…or one of….the P51 Mustang….wasn’t best until we took the suggestion to drop a Rolls Royce Merlin engine in it.😊 And you Brits figured out how to make our F4U Corsair Navy fighter…actually able to LAND ON A CARRIER. Doh.😂🇺🇸🇬🇧
FIIIIRRSSSSTTTTT❤
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What in hell r u talking about
Aardvark is the worst name in aviation.
I am so sick of listening to robots.
Goodbye