@@RD676 We've got a video for that: ua-cam.com/video/Bkd2mjB-8eI/v-deo.html There are a few brands that we like but we won't know what your specific needs are. This video will help you pick based on that!
@@ProkoTVHow long do you think those masters practiced to get to that level? Thanks for sharing this geneously. Any chance you can share the other classes for free for those who can't afford anything..Thanks very much.
@@ArtO-s9k Not always. Why are people acting like its somehow wrong to be serious about your art and your practice and your exercises. And nowhere did I make any claim that one can't be childish when one wants to be.
This course has been invaluable for getting back into drawing in my late 20’s. Most importantly it has been making drawing fun again. I’ve been able to put in more mileage now that I’m enjoying the process more than ever. Thank you so much Proko!
That exercise of drawing a moving subject is a goal of mine, I love those videos where an artist sits down in public and captures passerby in a sketch (Your videos with Stephen Silver and the one with Bryce Kho drawing Pokémon trainers come to mind). I'm finally at a level in art where I'm capable of producing figures from imagination in perspective (albeit from a pretty limited visual library) and I'm so excited to further that. These exercises seem like they will make perfect practice for improving speed and quality in this. Thanks for the awesome video!
Your sketch structure explanation is really easy to understand, with every detail showcasing your extraordinary insight into understanding the structure. You not only analyzed the basic form of objects, but also cleverly revealed the mechanical relationships and spatial layers hidden within them, which greatly benefited people
These are very helpful tips. I tried the moving animal thing and mine looked horrible but I'm still practicing and getting better each day at art. I appreciate these vids very much. 🎨 I've been watching you for a long time now. Thank you sir😊❤
I've been making up my own memory drawing games myself and 3 of these I've been doing, but I'll add the other two. What I've been doing with Adobe Fresco on my Ipad is tracing cartoon characters and then seeing if I can remember how to do it without the image. I'll trace yosemite sam, and then hide it, and try without the image. I'm having a hard time remembering all of his features, but I always get the mustache. I also sit at restaurants with U shaped bars, and draw people without them knowing. I take their pic and then trace them and then see how I did on their features as well as perspective practice. I find it much harder to draw in 3D then 2D, but I don't know why my brain is having a hard time with that. I wrote a graphic memoir of how I used my Health and fitness knowledge to stop my mother with mild dementia from forgetting me, and I posted it on my UA-cam channel. Did you know they have the elderly for a neuro test draw a cube with no instruction or reference and then use that as a measure of their cognitive functioning, but Betty Edwards believes that nobody can draw a cube without instruction. It's one of the many ways that we are behind the 8-ball with our medical industry. Thanks for a good video.
Having aphantasia shouldn’t stop you from doing this. In fact, you should do this even more if you have aphantasia. This helps you build your visual library and draw better.
@@artycraftyalchemyreferences can only go so far. What if you can’t find a reference for what you want? Or you can find the pose but not the correct perspective? Understanding how to rotate shapes will help you not be a slave to your reference. Like I said in my other comment, aphantasia shouldn’t stop you from doing this. Drawing without reference doesn’t have to mean “seeing” the object in your mind but it means having an understanding of 3d form to be able to manipulate them to your will
@@HiHi-oc3gh I'm primarily a 3D artist, so I usually build a simple 3D scene as a reference. I can correct perspective and rotate stuff exactly the way I like.
- look at it for a few minutes or seconds, draw it from memory, then check the accuracy - draw it from a different angle - combine them (draw as you see it, put it away, then draw it from a different angle) - if you're drawing a figure, draw it from a different angle, from memory, & change the proportions - draw from a moving figure/subject (observe the figure, but the pose is from imagination)
I've been trying to work on this on my own. The exercises you recommend are things I've heard before so I will likely keep trying to implement them. I'm wondering if Stan feels like his own visual memory has improved working on these projects tho, as in the past he's mentioned it being one of his biggest weaknesses as an artist.
I noticed a few people talking about aphantasia and thought I should mention a few things. Firstly and most importantly: at this point, the most well-supported conclusion made by aphantasia research is that.. regarding people who self-report no mental imagery, that is, what they label 'aphantasia' : it has NO NOTICEABLE EFFECT ON ABILITY TO PERFORM VISUAL MANIPULATION TASKS. As far as the evidence goes, it is PURELY that the person does not experience themselves as visually imagining things; No practical downside (apart from the obvious -- finding appeals-to-visualization in speech confusing) has been determined. The other thing -- someone who is familiar with psychological research might predict this -- is that the mere fact of labelling some particular criteria as 'aphantasia', doesn't imply anything about reality beyond the literal fact that you labelled this phenomena in this particular way, no matter how much data you have. Establishing that your construct is of _the slightest practical use at all_ is far from trivial. Honest reporting on psychological research would typically be 'This experiment happened. It could mean something. OTOH, it's overwhelmingly likely that it means nothing in particular."
Hey, as someone with Aphantasia i really appreciate the comment. When I first found out I had it, it was really hard to cope with the idea that I may never be able to draw well but I’ve just started to learn and I have high hopes (and doubts I can’t lie) but nothing worth while came easy ig
You can draw of course with it, but when it comes to designing with imagination, you probably would have to try differently than someone else. I am somewhere in the middle when it comes to picturing and not picturing and while I can picture some things, I can’t with others. This would be important to use heavy references.
Excellent video. this is what many from this new generations of artists don´t do. they just use references and copy. but the problem is that they can´t draw without copying from a reference. i´m a Gen X and i draw from memory, ocasionaly using a reference if i don´t remember how to draw it. but i never use reference and many people i know from my age they don´t use reference either.
What can I even do if I struggle with aphantasia? I have been an artist for a long time, and I can copy things almost exactly, but I am struggling to change what I am looking at or to draw from my mind alone.
Aphantasia doesn't have to be the end of building up a visual memory or being able to do the exercises mentioned in this video. We have a great video with Irshad Karim of DrawABox on what he does as an artist with aphantasia. Check it out and see what you can take away from what he shares: 🔗ua-cam.com/video/LWgXSxxEjgs/v-deo.htmlsi=HngN357weU6q1__A
I feel you, being an artist with aphantasia feels like constantly battling. I can copy so super well, excel at studies, but have never been able to transfer that skill to doing imaginative work or "working from memory."
Can you make a video about which lines to darken and emphasize in your drawing? This is where i struggle because i cant just darken everything as i dont want every line to be fighting for attention.
This exercise is about building up your memory of things to later use as you need to draw them. If you can't recall the face, you won't be able to use this technique for it.
Not that I’m a master or anything, but I wanted to offer some advice. I’m gonna use drawing the torso as an example. Mannequinize the torso and draw it very simply from various angles. Refer to images as needed or even take pictures of yourself to create your own reference. Once you can confidently draw it from memory in a diverse range of poses, make the torso slightly more complex. You could start from something like a planar rib cage then introduce some planar muscles on top of that (it’s helpful to keep things planar so the structures are easier to understand from different perspectives). Once you can do that from memory. Make it slightly more complex again. By slowly introducing slightly more complex forms over time, it’ll be easier to remember and easier to draw.
You'll absolutely never know the anatomy of them if you never start. You don't need an exact anatomy of something to draw a thing. Having a general anatomical idea of a few animal types can take you far without knowing it ALL. A lion shares tons with a housecat and so on. Just build up an idea of a few and kitbash it as needed while doing observational drawing. You're not turning your drawings in as veterinary homework.
Someone else in the comments asked about this as well. Here's the response we gave them: "While every person's brain is different and it's impossible to speak in absolutes because of that, this exercise can definitely be within the abilities of a person with aphantasia. We have a great video with Irshad Karim of DrawABox on what he does as an artist with aphantasia. One of the best things about art and the human mind is that we find ways around things to do what we want to! "Necessity is the mother of invention". Don't have a brush pen but want some of those qualities in your art? Use the long side of your pencil lead to try to get that feel! Can't picture things in your mind like some others can? Combining reference and invention can get you there! No limitation is the end of the world, especially in something as expressive and personal as art. Give that video with Irshad a watch and see what you can take away from it: ua-cam.com/video/LWgXSxxEjgs/v-deo.htmlsi=HngN357weU6q1__A "
@@HiHi-oc3gh But Glen Keane is exceptional and questionable whether he would have been better if he didn't have aphantasia. Everyone cites exceptions like Glen Keane and clearly he is incredible, but most people with aphantasia aren't Glen Keane. I'm not Glen Keane and neither are you or Proko. OK, so what can people with aphantasia do? These exercises don't help much for people with aphantasia. That's the question I'm asking and Glen Keane doesn't help. Aphantasia is on a spectrum and is there any idea where Keane is? Total aphantasia or partial?
While every person's brain is different and it's impossible to speak in absolutes because of that, this exercise can definitely be within the abilities of a person with aphantasia. We have a great video with Irshad Karim of DrawABox on what he does as an artist with aphantasia. One of the best things about art and the human mind is that we find ways around things to do what we want to! "Necessity is the mother of invention". Don't have a brush pen but want some of those qualities in your art? Use the long side of your pencil lead to try to get that feel! Can't picture things in your mind like some others can? Combining reference and invention can get you there! No limitation is the end of the world, especially in something as expressive and personal as art. Give that video with Irshad a watch and see what you can take away from it: ua-cam.com/video/LWgXSxxEjgs/v-deo.htmlsi=HngN357weU6q1__A
@@nycsim-r8t Aphantasia or not there is no one like Glen Keane he is exceptional and that's how good you can get even with Aphantasia. The Guy that made Draw A Box has Aphantasia too and that guy's a professional artist dont like his work as much but there it is. So you can do everything with no exceptions even imagine your own poses and draw from imagination. These exercises help any artist because they aren't based on imagination, they are based on understanding of form and space.
The best totally free option we can suggest are these fully free lessons we publish here. We make sure not to hold back anything that's necessary to learn art from any of our free videos. As mentioned in the video, you can even share the work you make along with the free lessons for feedback in the Proko community, all for free. The page for this lesson can be found at: www.proko.com/821 We have a couple sales each year with lower prices and community giveaways where people can get our courses for free. Those are some of the best times to get them for lower prices.
Start practicing your visual memory and post your work in the community - www.proko.com/s/r3pb
I need Sketch book recommendations what one do I buy
@@RD676 We've got a video for that:
ua-cam.com/video/Bkd2mjB-8eI/v-deo.html
There are a few brands that we like but we won't know what your specific needs are. This video will help you pick based on that!
@@ProkoTVthanks
@@ProkoTVThanks very much for sharing.
@@ProkoTVHow long do you think those masters practiced to get to that level? Thanks for sharing this geneously. Any chance you can share the other classes for free for those who can't afford anything..Thanks very much.
Calling them games instead of exercises makes it feel a lot more fun!
Calling them exercises instead of games makes it feel a lot more important and not childish!
@@ducksoff7236 it is important to be childish, especially as a creative adult.
@@ArtO-s9k Not always. Why are people acting like its somehow wrong to be serious about your art and your practice and your exercises. And nowhere did I make any claim that one can't be childish when one wants to be.
@@ducksoff7236yea what's wrong with, if I may ask?
Yep! Gaming and moving it!
He's learned so much since the kangaroo! I'm proud of Stan!
I'm doing what I can lol
This course has been invaluable for getting back into drawing in my late 20’s. Most importantly it has been making drawing fun again. I’ve been able to put in more mileage now that I’m enjoying the process more than ever. Thank you so much Proko!
That exercise of drawing a moving subject is a goal of mine, I love those videos where an artist sits down in public and captures passerby in a sketch (Your videos with Stephen Silver and the one with Bryce Kho drawing Pokémon trainers come to mind). I'm finally at a level in art where I'm capable of producing figures from imagination in perspective (albeit from a pretty limited visual library) and I'm so excited to further that. These exercises seem like they will make perfect practice for improving speed and quality in this. Thanks for the awesome video!
I'm early for once on a Proko video. I'm gonna try these! Thank you!
Let us know how they work for you!
Your sketch structure explanation is really easy to understand, with every detail showcasing your extraordinary insight into understanding the structure. You not only analyzed the basic form of objects, but also cleverly revealed the mechanical relationships and spatial layers hidden within them, which greatly benefited people
These are very helpful tips. I tried the moving animal thing and mine looked horrible but I'm still practicing and getting better each day at art. I appreciate these vids very much. 🎨
I've been watching you for a long time now. Thank you sir😊❤
These memory games seem amazing for building a visual memory from all these art and anatomy reference books I've gathered.
Such great timing, just thinking about possible exercises to help me today, so glad this popped up!
When I'm just walking around or in line, I'll close my eyes and "draw" what I just saw in my head.
Great ideas. I'm sharing with my students. I still show them the Loomis head tutorials from a while back.
Glad they come in handy for sharing with them!
I've been making up my own memory drawing games myself and 3 of these I've been doing, but I'll add the other two. What I've been doing with Adobe Fresco on my Ipad is tracing cartoon characters and then seeing if I can remember how to do it without the image. I'll trace yosemite sam, and then hide it, and try without the image. I'm having a hard time remembering all of his features, but I always get the mustache. I also sit at restaurants with U shaped bars, and draw people without them knowing. I take their pic and then trace them and then see how I did on their features as well as perspective practice. I find it much harder to draw in 3D then 2D, but I don't know why my brain is having a hard time with that. I wrote a graphic memoir of how I used my Health and fitness knowledge to stop my mother with mild dementia from forgetting me, and I posted it on my UA-cam channel. Did you know they have the elderly for a neuro test draw a cube with no instruction or reference and then use that as a measure of their cognitive functioning, but Betty Edwards believes that nobody can draw a cube without instruction. It's one of the many ways that we are behind the 8-ball with our medical industry. Thanks for a good video.
This looks so helpful! I have severe visual memory deficits. And my birthday is coming up so I may ask the hubby for this course.
Aw yeah, a proko a day keeps the art burnout at bay (:
😘
Your channel is like treasure for me
❤the best Fridays are when we have a Proko video. Happy Friday is Happy Proko day. Thank you ❤
Hi👋 from South Africa🇿🇦 I love your videos really entertaining and informative 🎨
Thanks! Glad you find them useful!
Me with aphantasia just sulking in the corner.
I was looking for a friend, seeing if anyone else had commented this. Reference photos all the way 😂😂
Having aphantasia shouldn’t stop you from doing this. In fact, you should do this even more if you have aphantasia. This helps you build your visual library and draw better.
@@artycraftyalchemyreferences can only go so far. What if you can’t find a reference for what you want? Or you can find the pose but not the correct perspective? Understanding how to rotate shapes will help you not be a slave to your reference. Like I said in my other comment, aphantasia shouldn’t stop you from doing this. Drawing without reference doesn’t have to mean “seeing” the object in your mind but it means having an understanding of 3d form to be able to manipulate them to your will
@@HiHi-oc3gh I'm primarily a 3D artist, so I usually build a simple 3D scene as a reference. I can correct perspective and rotate stuff exactly the way I like.
The guy who made Drawabox has aphantasia
Sir I am very grateful to you. I learned a lot from your video. I invite every artist to your channel. Love from Pakistan🇵🇰
drawing from a different angle is the most efficient way to level up your drawing skills
Really like when stan make this kind of lessons. Thanks
- look at it for a few minutes or seconds, draw it from memory, then check the accuracy
- draw it from a different angle
- combine them (draw as you see it, put it away, then draw it from a different angle)
- if you're drawing a figure, draw it from a different angle, from memory, & change the proportions
- draw from a moving figure/subject (observe the figure, but the pose is from imagination)
I've been trying to work on this on my own. The exercises you recommend are things I've heard before so I will likely keep trying to implement them.
I'm wondering if Stan feels like his own visual memory has improved working on these projects tho, as in the past he's mentioned it being one of his biggest weaknesses as an artist.
Yep! I wish I'd have stored away what a kangaroo in one of these exercises before drawing one back in the day lol
Oh right, i forgot this basic, thanks for the reminder 👍
I noticed a few people talking about aphantasia and thought I should mention a few things.
Firstly and most importantly: at this point, the most well-supported conclusion made by aphantasia research is that.. regarding people who self-report no mental imagery, that is, what they label 'aphantasia' : it has NO NOTICEABLE EFFECT ON ABILITY TO PERFORM VISUAL MANIPULATION TASKS. As far as the evidence goes, it is PURELY that the person does not experience themselves as visually imagining things; No practical downside (apart from the obvious -- finding appeals-to-visualization in speech confusing) has been determined.
The other thing -- someone who is familiar with psychological research might predict this -- is that the mere fact of labelling some particular criteria as 'aphantasia', doesn't imply anything about reality beyond the literal fact that you labelled this phenomena in this particular way, no matter how much data you have. Establishing that your construct is of _the slightest practical use at all_ is far from trivial. Honest reporting on psychological research would typically be 'This experiment happened. It could mean something. OTOH, it's overwhelmingly likely that it means nothing in particular."
Hey, as someone with Aphantasia i really appreciate the comment. When I first found out I had it, it was really hard to cope with the idea that I may never be able to draw well but I’ve just started to learn and I have high hopes (and doubts I can’t lie) but nothing worth while came easy ig
You can draw of course with it, but when it comes to designing with imagination, you probably would have to try differently than someone else.
I am somewhere in the middle when it comes to picturing and not picturing and while I can picture some things, I can’t with others. This would be important to use heavy references.
Excellent video. this is what many from this new generations of artists don´t do. they just use references and copy. but the problem is that they can´t draw without copying from a reference. i´m a Gen X and i draw from memory, ocasionaly using a reference if i don´t remember how to draw it. but i never use reference and many people i know from my age they don´t use reference either.
Incrível ❤❤❤
It's difficult games you giving us, But there is no improvement without going out of our comfort zone🥵🥵😱😰
Arigathanks!
Do more "drawing from memory" videos please.
What can I even do if I struggle with aphantasia? I have been an artist for a long time, and I can copy things almost exactly, but I am struggling to change what I am looking at or to draw from my mind alone.
Aphantasia doesn't have to be the end of building up a visual memory or being able to do the exercises mentioned in this video.
We have a great video with Irshad Karim of DrawABox on what he does as an artist with aphantasia. Check it out and see what you can take away from what he shares:
🔗ua-cam.com/video/LWgXSxxEjgs/v-deo.htmlsi=HngN357weU6q1__A
I feel you, being an artist with aphantasia feels like constantly battling. I can copy so super well, excel at studies, but have never been able to transfer that skill to doing imaginative work or "working from memory."
Write what you like to do, use multiple references and use either photoshop or some image altering software.
very excellent
A artist hero
Can you make a video about which lines to darken and emphasize in your drawing? This is where i struggle because i cant just darken everything as i dont want every line to be fighting for attention.
Already made that! Here you go:
ua-cam.com/video/7m3wGbPMSUY/v-deo.html
Good luck with that!
3:12 so cool
Amazing
Sir, I can't remind a particular face to draw that I saw before… so can you explain how can I draw that face by imagination? 🤔
This exercise is about building up your memory of things to later use as you need to draw them.
If you can't recall the face, you won't be able to use this technique for it.
Memories.....like the corners of my mind???? 😮 😊 🎉 ❤
I love your work, I have a question, is the basic drawing course for life? I'm from Brazil and if I pay with reais will it be converted to dollars?
Purchasing the course gets you access to it for life, including downloads. The price should localize to your currency as you check out.
@@ProkoTV thanks🍷
Not that I’m a master or anything, but I wanted to offer some advice. I’m gonna use drawing the torso as an example. Mannequinize the torso and draw it very simply from various angles. Refer to images as needed or even take pictures of yourself to create your own reference. Once you can confidently draw it from memory in a diverse range of poses, make the torso slightly more complex. You could start from something like a planar rib cage then introduce some planar muscles on top of that (it’s helpful to keep things planar so the structures are easier to understand from different perspectives). Once you can do that from memory. Make it slightly more complex again. By slowly introducing slightly more complex forms over time, it’ll be easier to remember and easier to draw.
A great exercise. We have exactly that as one of the gestural perspective lessons right before this one in the full Drawing Basics course!
2:46 Does it make sense to draw animals if you don't know their anatomy? I think it's a waste of time
You'll absolutely never know the anatomy of them if you never start. You don't need an exact anatomy of something to draw a thing.
Having a general anatomical idea of a few animal types can take you far without knowing it ALL. A lion shares tons with a housecat and so on. Just build up an idea of a few and kitbash it as needed while doing observational drawing.
You're not turning your drawings in as veterinary homework.
This vid just got uploaded while I was crying because my drawings suck rat bottom😁
Noice! 👍
if i don't practice geasture for 3 -4 days my drawing get stiffer also i think i stuck in geasture drawing
The exact natural progression I took as an untrained but functional artist.
I have aphantasia. This is impossible for me right….?
Someone else in the comments asked about this as well. Here's the response we gave them:
"While every person's brain is different and it's impossible to speak in absolutes because of that, this exercise can definitely be within the abilities of a person with aphantasia. We have a great video with Irshad Karim of DrawABox on what he does as an artist with aphantasia.
One of the best things about art and the human mind is that we find ways around things to do what we want to! "Necessity is the mother of invention". Don't have a brush pen but want some of those qualities in your art? Use the long side of your pencil lead to try to get that feel! Can't picture things in your mind like some others can? Combining reference and invention can get you there! No limitation is the end of the world, especially in something as expressive and personal as art.
Give that video with Irshad a watch and see what you can take away from it:
ua-cam.com/video/LWgXSxxEjgs/v-deo.htmlsi=HngN357weU6q1__A "
@@ProkoTV thank you so much!
Bro is concealing the 6 eyes.
What if you have aphantasia?
Shouldn’t stop you. Glen Keane, considered to be one of the greatest animators has aphantasia
@@HiHi-oc3gh But Glen Keane is exceptional and questionable whether he would have been better if he didn't have aphantasia. Everyone cites exceptions like Glen Keane and clearly he is incredible, but most people with aphantasia aren't Glen Keane. I'm not Glen Keane and neither are you or Proko.
OK, so what can people with aphantasia do? These exercises don't help much for people with aphantasia. That's the question I'm asking and Glen Keane doesn't help. Aphantasia is on a spectrum and is there any idea where Keane is? Total aphantasia or partial?
While every person's brain is different and it's impossible to speak in absolutes because of that, this exercise can definitely be within the abilities of a person with aphantasia. We have a great video with Irshad Karim of DrawABox on what he does as an artist with aphantasia.
One of the best things about art and the human mind is that we find ways around things to do what we want to! "Necessity is the mother of invention". Don't have a brush pen but want some of those qualities in your art? Use the long side of your pencil lead to try to get that feel! Can't picture things in your mind like some others can? Combining reference and invention can get you there! No limitation is the end of the world, especially in something as expressive and personal as art.
Give that video with Irshad a watch and see what you can take away from it:
ua-cam.com/video/LWgXSxxEjgs/v-deo.htmlsi=HngN357weU6q1__A
@@nycsim-r8t Aphantasia or not there is no one like Glen Keane he is exceptional and that's how good you can get even with Aphantasia. The Guy that made Draw A Box has Aphantasia too and that guy's a professional artist dont like his work as much but there it is. So you can do everything with no exceptions even imagine your own poses and draw from imagination. These exercises help any artist because they aren't based on imagination, they are based on understanding of form and space.
I just got new sketchbooks man I can't wait to fill them with ugly drawings
Do it! We're excited for you!
Hey first❤
Nailed it!
1:52 : 🤔😂
Hbomberguy spitting fax fr
There's no Harreton Splimby here!
where its skely
The one thing I don't have
Thank goodness
Satoru proko?
i even forget to eat 😭 how am i supposed to do this
Wassss up
Draw me a kangroo stan
At third😅
Ok ok
Gojo
stan adopt me pls
Please kindly reduce the prices sir.
Some of us cannot afford.
The best totally free option we can suggest are these fully free lessons we publish here. We make sure not to hold back anything that's necessary to learn art from any of our free videos. As mentioned in the video, you can even share the work you make along with the free lessons for feedback in the Proko community, all for free.
The page for this lesson can be found at: www.proko.com/821
We have a couple sales each year with lower prices and community giveaways where people can get our courses for free. Those are some of the best times to get them for lower prices.
This thumbnail is too sexy!
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