HELP! What Kind of Pastels and Papers Should I Use?
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2024
- Ever wonder what types of pastels you should use? Or what types of paper or surfaces are best to work on? Because there are so many choices having very different results, I have made this video to help wade through the abundance of products. This video should not only help the beginner, but the intermediate pastel painter as well. I also hope to save you some money in not having to experiment so much like I did. Happy Painting!
Papers:
Canson MiTientes Touch: shrsl.com/42y8... 400 Sanded Pastel Papers (I now use this instead of UArt paper):
Sennelier LaCarte Pastel Card:
Ampersand Pastelbord:
Homemade Surfaces Playlist:
Pastels: (in hard to soft order)
*Note: I always recommend getting half sticks whenever possible. You get more color choices for the money.
Prismacolor Nupastels: amzn.to/3MANzYT
Rembrandt Pastels: amzn.to/43t24Vz
Unison Soft Pastels: shrsl.com/42y8q
Sennelier Soft Pastels (this is a great value on Amazon): amzn.to/3OzhKST
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I tried other mediums and pastels become my favorite as y mentioned fingers gets a little messy with color but I feel closer to what I paint and I have better control . Saw Matisse exhibition yesterday and felt in love with his style 🎨☺️
WOW!!! What a blessing to see a Matisse exhibition!
Thank you so much for all of your time and expertise in sharing these tips. Really appreciated. Marie B from Australia
I am a self though artist , learned everything through you tube , and you are one of the best ,I appreciate you for all these informations.
Oh that is awesome Sima! I love hearing about others who have had the same experience I have had. I love to encourage others that learning and creating art is very achievable when you put your mind and heart to it. :)
Go-to a college ,take a course , drink with the guys doing it , Yammer , swill an adventure!
Gary Mindy, I am a 74 year old retiree. A geology by training who’s had a lot of Art college work as well. I started taking a drawing course at my local university in January, until half way through the semester, the Covid19 pandemic took hold. The time I spent with the students and the teacher was priceless. I am sorry that the university had to go to online classes. Not the same experience I was having. So I am canceling out of it.
Thank you so much for posting your videos. I identified with you saying kids life money getting in the way of your art. I’m 63 and my artist wants out. Jim sticking around to learn with an honest and heartfelt thank you ☺️
Norma Wingo I often think it’s best to paint just for the sheer fun of it. Keep it up!
You are the best of the You Tube pastel artists Susan! Also so willing & generous to share your expertise & talent with others. You really understand the vibrancy of color, & all the various techniques, composition & forms to bring paintings to life! Thank you & God Bless you!
Thank you Susan. I'm already working in Pastels and I learned a lot of new ideas from watching your tutorials. You are a sweetie to listen too also. God bless.
This helped this 68 yr old experienced pastelist since I just started back in to them after a long absence. I have old Grumbacher pastels I bought just a few at a time plus NuPastels, a set of medium stick pastels and a newer set of Rembrants. I am learning color. Been working since last fall and now am ready to try some new things. For practice I bought a pack of construction paper. Surprisingly it holds quite a bit of pastel for cheep paper. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
JeanettsFarm wonderful! So glad you are back to creating with pastels 👍🏻👍🏻. That is interesting about construction paper. I’m actually not surprised that it can hold a few layers. I love to use cheaper supplies to practice on. Will have to try. Blessings and Happy Painting!!
Your explanation of the difference between hard and soft pastels is the best description I’ve heard. Thank you! Love your channel!
So greatful for all your hard work and tuition,so interesting and educational thank you
Thanks so much Ellen! I love sharing what I learn with others :)
Just to add a tip, you CAN'T USE WATER ON SENNELIER LA CARTE! It is the one coated or sanded surface I know of that water will absolutely destroy. Don't even sneeze on it. Don't breathe too close if your mouth is moist, because even the tiniest droplets dissolve the binder that holds the coating on. Bare patches can be fixed with a tiny dab of Art Spectrum Multi Media (Colourfix) Primer, but that's a stop gap. It is the one flaw in an otherwise wonderful surface, because La Carte also has a particularly grabby clingy soft surface that takes lots of layers and gives its own sweet results. As long as you keep it dry. I'd recommend it more for dry climates too.
Thank you Susan for another great tutorial. I wish I knew some of this before I spent money finding my way. Oh well, it's a process I suppose. You are a great teacher. I think when you are self taught you know what the important questions are because you had them yourself. God bless.
Susan I have just begun to explore pastels and have stumbled across your channel. The information here has been very helpful and full of great information. Thank you for being so gracious to share your knowledge with the rest of us.
Beth _21 you are so welcome. I’ve been passionate over the years about sharing because I had a hard time finding information myself. I love being able to provide an online resource for people like you to learn. Happy painting!
Love this video. It's extremely helpful. I'm also someone who doesn't have the money or time to take classes so I really appreciate what you are doing to give back. Thank you
When I decided to try pastels, I bought a cheap set. It worked fine but they are gritty. I settled on Rembrandt and Unison. I also use Derwent pastel pencils. Love this video.
Thanks for your advice. I bought a small selection of soft Rembrandt pastel sticks in 1967 and they still work marvelously 😊
I used sandpapers from hardware store in my previous and I love it. I tried now the regular pastel paper and I love the hardware one more.
How interesting. ;) I also have success with the hardware store sandpapers.
Edgar Degas used brown paper bags. And Sennelier soft pastels.
Wow.... I gotta try that ;)
@@monetcafe The bags are made from brown craft paper - a bit heavier weight than the rolled stuff, so you might give that a try. It doesn't take a lot of layering - 3 is about all it will take from an amateur like me. You might consider posting a video demonstrating it and sharing your thoughts on it.
Mike L thanks Mike! Definitely gonna try this. Maybe even apply some product for more texture and layering 👍🏻👍🏻☺️
Susan thank you I have had such a wonderful day watching you! You have been so helpful it's hints tips and advice for me on my impressionist pastel landscape adventure xx
Kathy Greene .... oh that blesses me so much! Thank you Kathy!
Thank you so much for the really helpful session, I love how you walk us through all the options and tell us why things do not work and do work. I have subscribed from the UK. best wishes. Kim
thank you for your time and effort. It is nice to see this older video still available to the new comers to Pastels! I still need to do more sample purchases but you have helped me, Thank You.
Thank you so much! Great help to know what supplies I might buy before I spend gobs of money which is so easy when you get into the art store!!!
You are such a nice person and awesome artist
Thank you for sharing Susan!
What a helpful video! I've been confused over what pastels to try, but you've helped me find a starting point.
I just found you yesterday and I love this video. I did a small landscape this morning and was disappointed with how much paper showed through my pastel. Now I know I need to change my paper!
I experienced the same thing when I first tried pastels. I think that's one of the main motivations for providing these videos to others. It can make such a difference when you have the right materials. ;) Check out our FB group if you like. There are so many artists learning together and it's a lot of fun. "Monet Cafe' Art Group"
Try underpainting-it works great!
Wow,, really love you!! I’m never been at the pastels and watercolor classes, but I’m truly in to them and now working as an artist in my country!! Online classes such as your videos are really helpful! Thanks,
Wonderfl teaching of pastels. I have watch many others and you are superior.
Susan, you are such a giving artist!!! I am just getting my feet wet with pastels and was unsure about so many things you covered in this video . . . Can't thank you enough for the great information, and I look so forward to watching another video or two this evening! Thank you again!
What a fabulous and instructive video. Wow
I am getting my entire art traing fron u-tube. mostly from you.. thank you.
Wonderful Charlie! You should join our FB group "Monet Cafe' Art Group". There are so many artists (of every level) sharing about pastel painting and learning from each other :) It's a private group so you have to ask to join, but if you just answer the questions and mention that you heard about the group from me (and my youtube channel) you will get accepted. Happy Painting!
I am a first time viewer and am so impressed with you and your video. Actually I am so GRATEFUL for you and your instructional video. I bought some soft pastels from the local Hobby Lobby and with the help of a very informative employee I also got some paper with teeth :)...I have watched a few videos before I came across yours and so far there was nothing like the way you made me feel like I can do this. I do have one comment that I hope you take to heart. You don't have to be Bob Ross...but I think you SHOULD cut loose and have fun...Don't hold back...you are very enjoyable to watch, listen and learn from. I am very excited to pursue this new adventure. Thank you so much for giving me the courage to be creative. I am looking forward to watching everyone of your videos. God Bless
Very informative! Thank you. Been pouring over all your videos, and have been learning so much. Your work is so truly beautiful.
Thank you for that demo. It is very helpful. Congratulations on 1000 subscribers.
I’m learning how to use pastels for an art competition and this really helped. Thank you!!!
Hi! I've been watching your videos and they've been very educational. I'm self-teaching as we speak. These are really great references.
THANK YOU. YOU HAVE SAVED ME TIME AND I KNOW WHAT I NEED NOW.
excellent summary, and as a fellow self taught pastel artist, bless you for sharing
I'm just getting started with soft pastels so thank you for your video. It is very helpful to me!
I literally just bought that exact box of Rembrandts. I really like them. ❤️
I loved your tutorial very good explanation on surfaces of paper. Thank you
Great video. Being an enthusiastic but new soft pastel painter - it explained a lot, particularly ‘filling up the tooth’ which I tend to do too often! I too am a ‘colour freak’
Finally, answers to my questions. Wish I hadn't invested so much in oil pastels.
Just asking: What do you dislike about oil pastel?
Great lesson/channel. So glad you emphasize that its ok to begin pastels on a budget and don't "poo poo" Rembrandts. Just beginning pastels myself(fr WC) so started with set of FC Pitt pastel pencils and a few open stock pastel sticks(schminke&unison)and plan on adding odd colours now and then.
That's how I started! I truly could not afford all of the suggested "better" pastels, but when I think about the early cave drawings I realized you just work with what you have! LOL. If you haven't joined our FB group you might like it. It's called "Monet Cafe' Art Group" and it's full of artists of every level all growing and learning together.... a great place to hang out, learn, and meet like-minded people. Keep painting my friend!
Thanks....ya I do think there is a bit of a fixation on the "better pastels" and there's nothing wrong with in time slowly acquiring them but it can scare newbies off if you put to much emphasis on the them.
Thanks you for giving your time and expertise, very insightful information.
WOW WOW WOW!! subscribed! Amazing video. This is a fantastic and very comprehensive video. Thank you.
Though you are right...NeoII are Not truly pastel. I also love my Unison and Terry Ludwig. Sennelier very close to those two, but a little soft for my liking
Thank you so much for this video. Going to a Jerry's Artarama yearly show and I'm thinking of buying a starter set! This was very informative. Ann Marie
Found this video when searching for how to use pastels. Just started an advanced Drawing course for my degree and we are required to use them for figure drawings. I felt lost since my medium is typically acrylic paint. This video is so helpful, love how you explained the different brands at different price points, and about how they work on various papers. Subscribed, and will be watching more of your videos :)
Wonderful!! You might also like to join our Facebook Group called, "Monet Cafe' Art Group". There are SO MANY helpful pastel artists (of every level) very willing to answer questions and provide help. You have to ask to join, but just say that you heard about the group from me on the Monet Cafe' UA-cam channel. Happy Painting!
Oh... and for drawing, or figure drawing you might like harder pastels such as NuPastels or Rembrandt. ;)
@@monetcafe Great, thanks for the info!!! :)
I absolutely loved this video! i can't wait until you make the one on organizing them...
Belinda Roca awesome!!! I hope to make a video soon on pastel organization 😄👍🏻
Thank you for this video! I love that you are a very self taught person. I'm trying to do the same with art, mostly watercolor and soft pastels. It's a lot of work but totally worth it!
Great info, thank you. I have ordered the Pan Pastels. They are supposed to be soft, high pigmented, and artist quality. I hope my paintings are half as good as yours.
You are really talented and generous!!
Awww..... thanks!!
I'm making studies for my acrylic paintings using these pastels and It is really helping me to loosen up my style.
Thanks, Susan for such great info. I have been searching for basic "need to know" info before beginning with pastels. I subscribed today with hopes of learning so much more. Thanks again!
Great video!! I’m trying out the u art , pastel mat and fabriano tizano papers. I searched for videos explaining why people use a paper like fabriano titizano , other than the variety of colors I’ll bet I end up liking the two that you used better. Your video featured more of the papers I’ve been considering, so thank you!
Great Video thanks! Pls try schmincke pastel, they are super super soft like buter. You will love them too
Music is a bit distracting, besides the music, you are very informative and good!
Thanks Ylva, and yes, I have had that constructive comment before. Now I don't add music over my voice. It has really helped. Thanks!
Thanks so much Susan for your knowledge and sharing of it! It was so very helpful. I’m anxious to get started. Learning to draw is a deficit for me but it won’t stop me🤗
You can do it Gerrie!!
Very informative and professionally voiced.
thank you! this was so helpful! I'm a newbie and appreciate you sharing your knowledge!
Thank you for the very informative lesson
Very informative and helpful. Thanks so much!
I have been enjoying your videos so much. I am very new and love your methods. I am working my way through all of your videos one by one.
I do find that the loud music distracts me. Could you maybe tone the volume down so We can hear and understand you better? Or is there a way for me to turn the background music off?
Nice video! if you don't mind I'd like to add from my own experience. Uart paper is fabulous but you can't really do to wet of an underpainting unless it's mounted on gator board. Also Terry Ludwig offers boxes of just darks and specific landscapes and portrait
Thanks so much for your experience with pastels and surfaces! I typically tape my UArt paper to my easel when I do any sort of underpainting with water or alcohol. That's a good point to mention... THANKS! :) Oh, and I REALLY want to get that "Landscape" set of Terry Ludwigs!
Me too! Oh I also wanted to mention pastels can be mixed. You should watch the video Gail Sibley did. UA-cam "Creating Gorgeous Grays In Soft Pastels." I'm going to do this exercise so I have a better understanding of how my colors mix. I've also found that harder pastels are great to use when mixing or blending colors such as skys. Only because so many well known pastel is recommend that you never touch them with your fingers because you loose the vibrancy of the color
Awesome!! I'll have to check out that video! Thanks! I do mix my pastels while painting, but not in the typical manner as in oil or acrylic painting. I also love that technique of using harder pastels for blending. They seem to keep the vibrancy of color better than smearing with your fingers. Great suggestions and tips Carol! :) I love how we all learn from each other .
Me too, just love how we all come together and share our personal experiences! Thanks so much for making these videos. For those of us who can't afford the expensive classes this is our on option to learn. I appreciate every bit of it!
Thank you so much for all the great tutorials! I love watching them when I have time and trying out your teachings. Oh, and the way you pronounce Sennelier is SEN-EL-EE-AY. I hope that helps :)
Adam Johns thanks so much Adam! I’m so glad you’re liking the tutorials. Fortunately, I’ve had lots of kind people like you to help me pronounce things. I think I’m finally getting it right in my newer videos. Ha ha.
I am working on a large 36 x 24 canvas with acrylic painting of the Brooklyn Bridge for my daughter and want the painting to pop using pastels. The question I have is shouldI use either chalk or oil pastels to get the biggest pop.
Yes , experiment! Make your own , grind some pigments , mix media! Make the art alive! White glue and water , take what's given ,and make it work.
I have been making my own Pastel Cartridge paper using PVA wood glue and Pumice powder. Taping down the Cartridge paper all around then rolling on PVA wood Glue mixed with Pumice. Must be care not to make it too wet. Leave it for 48 hours to dry tapped down and all the creases which appeared vanishes. 150 grammes of PVA 50 grammes Pumice coloured with acrylic paint.
Oh that is so interesting! I have some pumice powder. I'm going to have to try this. I'm not sure what you mean by "cartridge paper".... could you explain? Thanks!
Love your videos. Hence I would be quite happy to send you a few sheets. My email address megindog@gmail.com (This is not my normal email address) Send me a postal address. and I will pop some prepared sheets in the post. Plain sheets and prepared sheets. With a recipe. First time I tried I thought the paper was ruined so I through it out. The second time I let it dry for 48 hours and all the crease vanished. Cartridge paper to me is ordinary drawing paper. Applied the PVA, Pumice and Acrylic mixture with a roller. The paper which was taped down to a 12mm plywood board buckled left it dry Still taped down at room temperature for 48 hours and it went back flat. I acquired 50 sheets of A1 size cartridge paper for not very much. I prepare a complete sheet at a time let it go touch dry then tape another sheet to the other side of the 12mm plywood board and coat that with the PVA mix then stand it on edge. Allowing both sheets to dry. naturally. I use a small 4-inch roller to apply the PVA mix as you can buy in a hardware shop. But it is important not to get the paper too wet. Even a failure there is a good drawing area available without creases. which can be cut out.
Wow.... that sounds so interesting! I will have to email you and perhaps you can send me some pics and also some of your work. Thank you so very much for the details! Here's to experimenting and coming up with new things!
Wonderful video! Thank you! I just started and love using pastel pencils but after seeing this I’ll be buying some chalk.
Awesome my friend I like it thank 👌👍
Thank you for this. It's confusing what to buy. But I'm looking around and I have a Hobby Lobby nearby. I don't buy on-line, but HB has been a really good place for all my art needs. (:
Thank you so much for this excellent lesson. SO glad i bought U-art paper after your advise earlier. Thank you :D
Another great soft pastel is that from Dakota Blue Earth. I just bought my first set and can hardly wait till they arrive.
Great tutorial, thanks to sharing!
What do you think about a Velourspaper?
I actually haven't tried that paper. I just recently got some "Pastel Mat" paper and I'm excited to try.
Is it possible to combine pastels and acrylics in one "painting "?
Yes, I've done this several times. You can even layer the two mediums.
Great instruction. Thanks!
Don’t stress the pronunciations. You’re an amazing teacher.
you r doing great dear ! thank u !
I use Rembrandt, Sennilier, NuPastel, Pan Pastel, and pencil pastel for my paintings, but I couldn’t hear what is your favorite paper - the yellowy one at the top. Also, I’m severely hard-of-hearing and I am wondering if it is possible if you could present closed caption without disturbing the view of the pigment application? Also, what review can you give on Pan Pastel?
Without going back and watching the video I think it was probably Uart sanded paper. But here lately I actually like a paper called a fisher 400 grit. It’s almost exactly like Uyou art, but it doesn’t curl. I buy mine from pro art panels.
I was taught on velour paper. Have you used that?
No, but I've been meaning to try. Hopefully soon!
Thank you so much! This was a wonderful help to learn about papers and pastels. I would like to know, when you show your pastels, or sell them, do you frame them under glass, or what exactly do you do? If someone aspires to participate in art league shows one day, how would you show your pastel pieces?
Hi Sheri,
I always recommend framing under glass for permanent storage, but To protect my final painting for shipping or storing, I place them in a clear plastic bag I get from www.clearbags.com/bags/flat/flap-tape/crystal-clear. I buy the bags a bit larger than standard sizes so I will have room for the painting and a piece of foamcore board cut to the size of the painting. Here is a video of my process:ua-cam.com/video/4XD4SezFyBg/v-deo.html&t=209s
Thank you so much for sharing! ❤️
Thank you so much for giving back!
I have a framed print in my living room that has faded from the sun. Could I take it apart and brighten it up with pastels?
Pastels may not adhere to the surface of the print. But I often use a product called “clear Gesso“ to paint on a surface to give it some texture so that I can apply pastels. You could give that a try.
@@monetcafe , thank-you! I will give it a try, why not...it's going to the Good Will if I cannot redo it🙂
Love it! Excellent!
Can you use ink (wet) on the Mi-Teintes paper?
I haven't tried any water or inks to the Mi-Teintes paper and I would have thought they didn't take water very well, but I found this very interesting thread where an artist did tests on various surfaces (including Mi-Tientes) and it seemed that liquid mediums were okay. Here's a link if you want to check it out...
www.wetcanvas.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1069462.html
Hi, by any chance have you tried alcohol ink as an under painting? @@monetcafe
Fantastic;! Thank you for making this💕
This video was so therapeutic 😍 thank you
Monika Ramgopal Wonderful! I like to try to create a sense of peace in my videos.
Thank you so much Susan....so helpful! Marylin
Neocolors are so artist quality!😍
Thank you Liza, yes Neocolors II are definitely artist grade quality & made with real pigments. They have a high degree of lightfastness and you definitely get what you pay 💰 for. I just wish they were less expensive, but at least I know I can rely on them.
Lately, I have been experimenting with them as the initial underbase & I love how pigmented they are & how much coverage I can get.
Big help. Thank you. Questions are answered before asked 😀👏👍😁
Mungyo is also good and vibrant
Hi, thanks for the great video. I have a question- if you painted a landscape for example, would you start with a harder pastel for the background and then apply a softer pastel on top? How then would you add fine details, I’m asking that because it would be more difficult to put pastel pencils or hard pastels over softer pastels. Hope that makes sense! Any help is much appreciated! Thank you.
That's a great question, and while there are no firm rules to this, it is typically better to use medium to hard pastels first (or as an underpainting) and the softest pastels like icing on a cake. Also, if you haven't overworked your surface you can usually still have enough tooth to lay down fine lines at the end... such as flower stems, grasses, etc. Sometimes, however, we have to work with what we have and usually we can work around these issues as long as we don't over-layer our surface. Hope that helps!
Monet Cafe' with Artist Susan Jenkins It certainly does help! It makes total sense. Thank you so much! Best wishes
Hi! Thank you for having a channel! I am new to pastels and I bought some inexpensive
VERY soft half sticks, 64, and they have a non-toxic version for children. They label these for artists and I would say they are low artist grade. But since I will be working with cheaper, self treated watercolor paper, I am putting more money into the NU Pastels, 96 and Stabilo 48 Pencil sets. I tend to be heavy handed and filled the tooth of my paper in 3 layers last night. I want a few more if I can get them for corrections, underpaintings and sso forth. I think I need a firmer pastel so I dont fill in the tooth too soon. Does that make sense to you? Thanks for your reply. I am getting the cheap Canson paper, it's what Amazon sells, and I wont find it so expensive I cant try it and use it. I always buy the correct paper for a new medium, so I can see how to adjust my papers with gesso or other grounds to work.
TerrieJ DimestoreDivaTV .... so glad you are trying pastels! They are a wonderful medium. You are correct that using the harder pastels in the beginning stages is best. They don't fill up the tooth as much. However the softer pastels apply more easily at the end. If you are using low-grade soft pastels they won't apply as beautifully and effectively as the better artist grade brands. You should join our group on Facebook. It's a closed group for Monet café subscribers where we share our art and learn from each other! You will have to ask to join, but I will gladly except you in our group.
I use pastels a many jears, but with this video ids eureka! thank you
Thank you, this was so helpful!
Can you tone the UART board like the last board you made with the grit?
Laura Weeks yes, I often tone my UART sanded paper prior to painting. Sometimes I tone it a single color, and sometimes I do an underpainting.
Brown craft paper or even brown paper bags are wonderful supports for soft pastels. An artist can put down 6, 7, even 8 layers of soft/dry pastels.
Mike L Wow, I’ve never tried that! Now I’ve got to do it.
30 years ago my husband bought me a massive wooden box of Rembrant pastels. I have never used them but since retiring last year I would love to start painting. Only prob is no confidence and the size of the pastels scare me. How do I start???
Rembrandts were the first pastels I stared with. It's best to start small ... 5" x 7" or 6" x 8" and just do some little studies... not trying to create a masterpiece. You may also want to join our group on Facebook... Monet Cafe' Art Group. You will get SO much help as a beginner. :) Thanks for watching :)
Very helpful video! Thanks
You're welcome! My pleasure, Sheri.
I love mi teinte touch!
Can I use cold pressed water color paper for soft pastel?
It may have been you who just asked that question and I responded with… Yes, I don’t see why not. It should behave the same as coldpressed watercolor paper
Soft pastel leaves powdery surface. Do you use fixative to fix the drawing?