and on top of that, The Mayan Railway is an alternative route to an alternative route, Panama already has an alternative route to the Canal, its called the Panama Canal Railway Company, a train that runs parallel to the Canal, and it predates the Panama Canal by 50years. It was upgraded in 1998 and moves about 800,000 containers per year, and has capacity to move 2 million containers per year. The Mayan railway distance from coast to coast is way longer than the Panama Canal Railway Company's.
No, its not for that, its for the stupidity or maybe strategy of their governments. They can develop a Panama Canal at sea level, not necessarily where the actual waterway is, in fact, one of the campaign projects of one of the candidates for president last elections proposed the idea of a channel at sea level; and there are many alternative locations for this sea level channel. Maybe they have the "do something and we will always do something better" strategy.
@@user-je5os3bg4n The Suez Canal does not need locks because the water level of the Mediterranean and Red seas are the same. "Sea Level" is NOT the same worldwide! "Land Elevation" is also not equitable.
@@simplynothing96Some countries want to spend their time in frivolous things meanwhile Mexico wants to build itself up, nothing wrong with that. The Panama canal will still be operating but now when there is heavy traffic or serious drought ships will have an alternative route, and that benefits everyone.
I’m fully convinced that Mexico will stand tall by 2030 with massive infrastructure projects taking place right now. Nothing like The Mexico the Hollywood movies show.
Im surprised by how little Americans know about Mexico and Mexicans, despite living right next door to them. The misconceptions they have about Mexicans are hilarious to say the least. There are also misconceptions from Mexicans and other Latin Americans too.
Great for us Mexican people now not just for the country but for all countries in the world not just for the USA 🇺🇸 who all ways pretends to help other countries bring liberty and peace prosperity and at the end taking over their resources oil and petroleum ext !
Now because of the new Government the old government was full of corruption and the USA like all ways pretending to be the world government was just taking advantage of Mexico USA had all these trains an now this new government had to put its foot down to stop the USA taking advantage of our resources and treating us like little puppets! No more corruption that's why all these things are happening now!!!
Yes it would be, but at what point will the Cartel takeover or be involved? It's sad how the corruption of simple man can destroy something good. I'm in Houston, Texas 5hrs the same distance to North Dallas, no Non- Mexican is safe near the border, I drive Uber & met a man whose friend Spanish dialect was different than Mexico's so they kidnapped him for ransom. It's bad at the border & eventually the pedestrian train & these plans WOULD SUFFER EXTREME CORRUPTION, I met a lady in my car said she was Abt to be TRAFFICKED from her Lyft ride, she's black & lady said they need to detour. She looked on her phone route was good, she heard her race & height called out, she called 911 cuz the lady driver spoke no English, she was saved, lady was on police radar they were glad to catch her.
There is already a railroad supplement to the Panama Canal. It's called the Panama Canal Railway. It runs on the north shore of the canal - 76.6kn (47.6 miles). It was opened in 1855, preceding the canal itself by 50 years and was vital in the canal construction. Its use declined after WWII but was rebuilt to modern standards in 1998 and operated by Kansas City Southern using standard North American double stack container carriers. It has functioned well, particularly during the drought, by taking some of the containers from fully laden, large container ships so as to reduce their draft, moving them across the isthmus then reloading for the 2nd leg of the voyage. This supporting role is exactly as you describe.
I’m an American living in Panama. I enjoy your informative videos. But I have to correct you on one of your comments about the “highway robbery” Panama was charging ships. Your statement is incorrect. Some of the companies that owned the ships wanted to “cut the line” of the ships waiting and offered much more money to do so. The Panama Canal authority didn’t ask for more money.
We Mexicans love Latin America, the Train was only renewed, it was before the Panama Canal and it is a necessary alternative, the Panama Canal is saturated
It’s a misleading title, im Mexican snd I resent the lack of judgement on saying “this is why Mexico wants to kill the Panama Canal” I can assure you Mexico’s government was not thinking how to “kill” finances in Panama. But rather looking for other firms of revenue. Not cool man
@@crystalweible152 The USA is moving its manufacturing to Mexico and away from China due to the shipping issue, and other reasons. Yes, raw materials still need to be shipped to wherever the manufacturing is occurring. But that is way easier and cheaper than shipping finished products.
@@jamesgoode9246 Well the "packaging" for most raw materials are significantly less expensive and way less complicated and usually do not need to be handled delicately. Better?
Both the train Maya and the Transisthmic railway are operational. Finishing touches are being implemented, but once completed there will be an alternative route to ship goods from the Pacific to the Atlantic plus the 10 industrial parks will add value and some finished products will be ready for export! Also the railway throughout Mexico is being upgraded and the passenger trains are starting to be implemented with a transnational railway to connect Mexico, U.S., and Canada is being negotiated. Clearly the future will continue to bring the North American countries closer and more interconnected economically, culturally and now there are 1.8 million Americans living in Mexico plus many Canadians and 33 million Mexicans in U.S. so that we are getting more integrated as a population! What’s good for one is good for all!
The Nica canal is pure fantasy. It would go thru much ruggeder terrain and the Indians who live there were a major part of the Contra rebels and they even had started shooting at Chinese surveyors who were talking about building one years ago. It would also be an environmental catastrophy which would add to the unrest. A rail system thru Mexico is more logical and Panama aleady has one that needs to be upgraded and while antiquated, it was specifically designed for shipping containers. FYI and no disrespect, its Lake GUH TOON, not GAH TUN. Not ot mention the Chinese can build anything that doesnt fall apart. Furthermore, the canal is not the whole battle. You need a developed nation with infrastructure and economy to support that level of trade and Nicaragua is nowhere close. They still requre business to have hand written ledgers and the Sandanistas shake businesses down like the mafia. UN program to build a school? You can only buy materials at 600% of the going rate from a party member etc. Law firms, suppliers, services. Not even a remote dream anytime soon.
Panama was not a developed country one hundred years ago; Panama is not a developed country today neither. China, Rusia, and the United States are the only ones that are behind every big or lesser projects in the region.
I get a kick out of the environmentalists thinking the native landscape would be completely destroyed! Like the process would completely devastate the land leaving it completely barren! They claimed the same thing with the Alaskan oil pipeline, but it been anything but!!!
Gary Bulwinkle excellent point. You are, of course, correct. What ISN'T stated in this video is that the EXACT SAME people who scream about interference with their land are ALWAYS the first ones looking for handout$$ from govt. Essentially, they want it both ways. As a Canadian, I could cite examples.
That’s exactly why the southern portions of Mexico are the poorest and most underdeveloped parts of the country. Because of “environmentalists” thinking the native landscapes would be destroyed, and these same people riling up the natives and other peoples in the region to not build any industries or infrastructure there. At the same time, these are the same people who complain that no one wants to help them with infrastructure, and the same people who will move to the richer parts of northern Mexico or cross illegally into the U.S. because they want to make more money.
This is the best video I have seen on this. Great job sir thank you so much for putting this together for us all to better understand. Cheers from 2 Canadians living in Mexico. ✌🏽💖 PS: We were living in Xalapa Veracruz and loved it, now we are in Huatulco Oaxaca and loving it. 🙏🏽
China's high-speed rail is mostly on aerial tracks, lifted track systems that make the line straighter, more level, and more secure. They also leave the land open for nature and farming. Mexico should consider this option. Lifting even 10% of the tracks would make a huge difference in the ecological and agronomic costs.
Our cities were designed to work with vehicles. Most suburban Americans would have to walk an hour round trip just to get bread and milk. Rural? Even longer. Suburbia is meandering and sprawling and tightly regulated what can be built to keep the poor segregated. Rails would cost a lot, have crazy routes, just to be feasible.
@@michaelf7093 modern High speed, dual, or triple track, not the low speed meandering mess that the U.S. has now. If the Russian/Chinese can ship freight from Beijing to Hamburg in 15 days on relatively slow trains over nearly 10,000km, then I’m sure the U.S. can do better over 3,000 km.
@@pickles3128 Build new cities, walkable cities like in Europe. Stop sending your tax dollars abroad, or wasted on wars. Americans get a bad deal for the tax they pay.
If San Fransisco to los Angeles is a billion dollar project how much do you think a high speed rail would cost from the Pacific to Atlantic it would be a trillions 😢 and we had a 2 week long longshoremen strike ... Best thing to boost are economy is to stop being noise in other countries n start focusing on ours
I passed thru the panama canal on a sail boat. I was amazed at the cost of shipping plastic gadgets to be sold at the dollar store. My vote would be to decrease the goods being transported across the world. And
The Rocky Mountains limit the routes that are practical. We have some rail and highways through them, but we would need many more. We could do it, but it would be difficult and very expensive.
@@LyleAshbaugh tunnel? It’s just a matter of political will, and money. The Alps have so many rail and road tunnels. I’m saying tunnel all the way through, that would be impractical, but for the more difficult parts.
I seem to remember reading that the plans for the enlargement of the canal a few years ago included construction of a new reservoir. The reservoir was not built, reservoirs are really helpful for water shortages. Does anyone remember that
Hi WATOP. As a transportation professional I find this your video, and this topic, fascinating. Thanks for posting. Some observations. 1 The capacity concern with IOCR VS Panama Canal is, with respect, a relatively moot point because as cashflow is created, additional railway lines could and shall be added, together with augmenting container offloading/loading facility(s). I would say that the Mexican Govt's bigger concern is the Cartel, and it's interference with both public works and civilian life. As a Canadian I can tell you that the very same indigenous people, who scream bloody murder whenever infrastructure projects are proposed which cross indigenous-assigned land, are ALWAYS the first ones standing in the line where govt money/compensation is offered. I doubt very much that this politic would be any different in Southern Mexico.
Makes sense to me that if those who don’t want something government is forcing to eventually decide to give up fighting and try to recover losses by government compensation. I’d do the same.
Canada has reliable rail East West with easy border crossings connecting South at a variety of points from Vancouver to Halifax. Instead of waiting on the Panama, why not sail a few days over to Canada, "the forgotten land".
exactly! It's just a short 4000 km from Vancouver to Halifax, and the loading/unloading would be handled by Canadian labour, much cheaper than in Mexico!
another thing that would help wipe out poverty would be if the mexican government wasn't so corrupt. if drug and human-trafficking cartels didn't rule the land. if the mexican government aimed to help the people, not to suppress them. that would go a long way to eradicating poverty.
They should bore a big tunnel at sea level under the continent, so the ships could just sail on through without locks or trains. Charge a toll at either end. The whole thing could be lit, and there could even be shops down there and a roadway for emergency and maintenance workers.
Yeah yeah! The cartels! You hear Mexico and the only idea comes to your mind is Cartels. But cartels are not present in that region of Mexico. I think you see too much Netflix
Los carteles no dominan esas zonas, y si lo hicieran, el gobierno mexicano tendría que intervenir si o si, ya que se gasto muchísimo dinero en el proyecto, como para que grupos delictivos vengan a apoderarse así de facil una forma de ganar dinero para el pais. Aparte, los carteles dejarían de tener poder si tan solo, las tiendas de armas de USA dejarán de contrabandear armas ilegales a dichos carteles.
The geography of Mexico has a major impact on this. There's a reason why the vast majority of the population of Mexico is reflected in in a band in the middle of Mexico. Northern Mexico and Southern Mexico are very difficult to travel through. If Mexico in the United States can fix their issues and Mexico can deal with its corruption and criminal problems perhaps they will have the money to remedy this.
You did not mention that Panama already has a "dry canal" consisting of a trans-isthmus railroad and 2 highways that connect with ports at both ocean ends of the Panama Canal. In other words, what Mexico is planning to do is already a reality in Panama.
When Mexico gets the initial money from the transports they will be able afford to develop further. Stabilize their design with possible future development possibilities. A good idea, and Mexico could really use it. The influencing factors that can be caused by this route holds a lot of promise. Jobs, business, expansions. Honestly I'm not sure why it isn't already active, if the base design is already there.
What needs to happen is they need to start pumping the water in the lock system instead of just letting it flow into the ocean! It doesn't take much intelligence to understand this, but there you go!!!
2:53 the greatest source of inflation in the United States is all the U.S. treasury bonds that have been dumped by foreign countries, that have been repatriated or have come back home. When that occurs the bond that has been repatriated no longer backs the currency it was issued for, so all the currency then loses value equal to that bond because all the currency is now being backed by a lesser amount of bonds and a shitload of bonds were dumped between 1/21 and 8/23.
LA Long Beach, Oakland, and Seattle all have rail links and All see large amounts of Chinese container traffic I don’t know why this wasn’t even mentioned in the video
@chasmader: Wondered that, too. Potus Clinton closed down the Navy base on Terminal Island and expanded the LB port further (into the ocean) for that GATT fantasy marketing of US goods being sold to China when the reality was purposely stripping out U.S. manufacturing which destroyed the U.S. working class for 'imported goods from China'.
Yes but those are containers unloaded in the US, with their final destination being the US. I don't think it would make much sense to unload thousands of containers, transport them via 3000 miles of rail, and then load them back up on the east coast, if their ultimate destination was someplace in Europe. I mean I could be wrong, it just seems like a lot of extra steps to me though.
The biggest point here are the mega-industrial parks along the rail line - raw materials come in on one coast and leave as finished goods out the other coast, in both directions. That’s an economic engine.
7:30 For years, I also propose similar for isthmus of Kra. While they have technical capability to do that, lots of non-technical issues preventing it from happening.
A severe drought? Then when prices to transit skyrocket, drought is over, what a coincidence. I checked daily rainfall throughout Panama that summer they claimed there was a drought, it rained like normal, no drought. Locals Panamanian noted no drought but did protest in the 10,000’s over Chinese bringing in hordes of Chinese workers to work in a Panamanian copper mine replacing local Panamanian miners.
Sure buddy…you international clowns with your passive anggressive rips on America are. Cartels don’t exist, right?. And illegal immigration was always fair and benefitted America much more, right?
I always click the like button each time you remind me, don't worry. So, I click twice for each video, one at the first reminder at the beginning, and once again at the second reminder at the end. 😊
You forgot to mention that Mexico has a big train that goes from Guatemala to the United States in the middle of the train tracks, which will also take stuff north and south creating faster ways
Isnt deleting cargo off one ship, putting it on rails and then loading it back up to another ship horribly inefficient too? It takes like 3 days straight to delete one of those mega cargoships, so basicly 6 days just for switching loads. Sure still better than 3 weeks wait on the panama canal but....
The government right-of-way already exists; Porfirio Díaz built the original track, so there is minimal use of “eminent domain” involved. The people that have been “displaced” are people who had established make-shift homesteads on the right-of-way of the train from over 100 years ago. The government has moved those people into newly built homes, and were give proper deeds to these new homes, something that they did not have before, since they were previously living on government-owned land, hence without a legal right to the land. Mainstream media outlets in Mexico are not keen at all on mentioning these inconvenient little facts.
With the lake, the area could become a huge freshwater port for transfer of cargo from ship to train for delivery. It would give the US west coast much needed congestion relief. The rail lines from this point can go east and west of the continental divide to service all of the US and Canada.
I truly don't care about your identity or who you are I just care about the way you narrate your subject content on your channel you do a very good job of it keep up the good work
The Panama Canal is not at sea level. The United States did not have the technology to drill the Panama mountain range, so they created the lock system to raise ships to the level of Gatun Lake in the center of the country and then lower it on the other side in the Caribbean.
1) Costs. It takes a lot of energy to pump the volumes of water to higher levels. 2) ground salinity. Canals aren't impervious, unless you fully construct them with water immpervious materials (certain concretes come to mind, just clay doesn't cut it). Some of the salt water will seep into the ground, eventually killing off any possibility of agriculture in the region. And when it's there, it won't go away unless a lot of fresh water is used to flush it out... 3)corrosion of equipment. You'll need to saline proof all locks etc. Ships are (somewhat) made to sail in a saline environment, fresh water locks aren't. This will result in a steep increase of maintenance costs or the requirement of building a complete new set of locks (concrete poured with fresh water conditions in mind erodes a lot faster in salt water conditions. For example, if the concrete isn't completely impervious, chlorine ions will migrate to the concrete weaponing, corroding it).
There are several problems with using sea water. First, sea water only exists at sea level. Billions of acre-feet of salt water would have to be pumped over land into the inland lakes at enormous cost in energy and money. Filling freshwater lakes with salt water would utterly destroy the existing Panamanian ecosystem, triggering an extinction level environmental disaster.
Many of us out here in states that border Mexico want Mexico to be successful. It's good for us and employment opportunities in Mexico cut down on desperate people crossing the border.
Mexico is working to one day 'asap' become economically independent from the U.S. : BRICS here we come. G7? what G7! oh the AG7 Arrogant Global 7 you mean? World's changing, ain't it.
Mexico’s Oceanic Corridor appears to be a great idea that has been well thought out. Considering the chance that drought may continue to hamstring the Panama Canal it seems that the railway could, and should, be successful.
The advantage Mexico has that Panama doesn’t, it’s the North American free trade agreement. So it’s way cheaper to relocate entire companies and produce in North America, closer to the inter-oceanic corridor that benefit from the agreement than to relocate them to Panama. That’s why Korean, German, Chinese and American companies have bought so much land around that corridor, they’re seeing all the potential and have reserved their first row sit already.
My friend is just riding that train they’re gorgeous.. it takes 7 hours to cross the pacific to the Atlantic Caribbean ocean this is a huge protected already ..
In fact, you should do your research in the case of the Mayan Train as well, it really isn't well planned and they ignored many environmental impact issues, in fact it has already contaminated several underground aquifer systems (in Yucatan they are called cenotes) damaging local fauna and endemic species, apart from the budget is way above what it was supposed to spend, it's normal for projects to cost more than expected, but this project exceeds everything that will be paid in decades.
The problem is not the sea route, but the lack of good, electrified railways. American railroad is a museum piece. In all countries where the politicians are bribed by the oil industry, they have failed to keep the railway network in good condition.
I came here out of curiosity since I'm a spanish speaker and subscriber to this channel translated to spanish. And... yes, I always give a like. 😜 If I'm entitled to an opinion... Don´t ever fire that guy. He delivers the message, does it with the right amount of humor (humour, still brit?), sounds homely, (even when I'm from LAT I love the accent), fun and warm but also sharp on the concepts. Meaning no disrespect, but in all honesty... he sounds better than you. Don´t fire that guy (no affiliation whatsoever, don't even know his name). Derek (Veritasium) switched to a different dub artist and it was never the same. Yes, I still need to consume it, but it was better before. And yes, he always reminds to give a like, so here´s your like 😅❤
@@stanmnews January 6, 2020. They stormed the Capitol. They're forcing Christianity upon all Americans, denying people equal rights and generally trying to overthrow the US Government.
This situation could work out well for the cartels. It's like installing a sushi conveyor belt in their own backyard, where they likely have more control than the government. They could hide things or tamper with shipments more easily. Additionally, who’s contracting the construction, and what about the relocation of current occupants? I’m sure they’ll be fairly "compensated." ChaClick.
It was the Chinese who built the 2nd set of docks and canals in Panama. They are now the biggest manufacturers in the world. It is a wise choice for Mexico to build industirial parks along the rail route. Raw materials for all types of products can, and will pass by, all be it on a train, so bulky stuff is not an option.
Dude! In case you didn’t know the west coast of the USA has many large ports! The largest USA port is in Los Angeles! They don’t need the Panama Canal and they have no size restrictions. Seattle and Oakland are other logical choices.
Considering the problems and costs of unloading containers, putting them on trains, then unloading them from rail cars, putting them back on ships and then sending them to east coast ports where they will be unloaded and often put back on trains, it would seem it might be more economical to just unload the containers in US west coast ports and ship them by rail.
Never understood why Panama Canal needed freshwater until understood that boats climb up over ocean level and then climb down. In the era of droughts and shortage of drinkwater this method should not work any more.
One thing that was not mentioned was that you will need two ships for the Mexican rail option. And ships, and operating them is not inexpensive. It may save time but it will drive up costs.
The problem with train is that cost. they have to travel 160 Miles and need to go up a mountain and down the mountain. The cost will be to expensive for most shipments.
No, Mexico doesn't want to "kill" the Panama Canal, this has been said a lot of times, the Itsmo proyect IS A COMPLEMENT to the canal, isn't mean to be a direct competition OR to replace it...
México 🇲🇽 does not want to kill the Panamá 🇵🇦 Canal.
México 🇲🇽 just created an alternate route.
DO NOT MISINFORM OR LIE.
and on top of that, The Mayan Railway is an alternative route to an alternative route, Panama already has an alternative route to the Canal, its called the Panama Canal Railway Company, a train that runs parallel to the Canal, and it predates the Panama Canal by 50years. It was upgraded in 1998 and moves about 800,000 containers per year, and has capacity to move 2 million containers per year. The Mayan railway distance from coast to coast is way longer than the Panama Canal Railway Company's.
Are you saying the video is implying these things? Because WATOP clearly states things in the video.
@@berky1976 I said that México 🇲🇽, is not trying to kill the Panama 🇵🇦 canal.
THAT IS THE TITLE OF THE VIDEO.
I think they could coexist, but it'll definitely take a lot of business
you can't trust American UA-camrs lol they're fake, accuse w/ minimal facts, and over blow situations.
Panama Canal is not being "killed" by México, but by drought that slows traffic through.
No, its not for that, its for the stupidity or maybe strategy of their governments. They can develop a Panama Canal at sea level, not necessarily where the actual waterway is, in fact, one of the campaign projects of one of the candidates for president last elections proposed the idea of a channel at sea level; and there are many alternative locations for this sea level channel. Maybe they have the "do something and we will always do something better" strategy.
The Panama Canal is outdated for Larger ships
Water from both oceans cannot mix, cause an ecological disaster @@user-je5os3bg4n
The rea danger for Panama Canal could be the Northern Passage.
@@user-je5os3bg4n The Suez Canal does not need locks because
the water level of the Mediterranean and Red seas are the same.
"Sea Level" is NOT the same worldwide!
"Land Elevation" is also not equitable.
This mexican corridor is already functioning and transporting from east to west and vice versa as we speak.
Good to know!!!
No
😅 México does not want to kill anything , just want one slice of the cake
They're POLITELY being greedy😂😭
Need hard work Mexi
@@simplynothing96Some countries want to spend their time in frivolous things meanwhile Mexico wants to build itself up, nothing wrong with that. The Panama canal will still be operating but now when there is heavy traffic or serious drought ships will have an alternative route, and that benefits everyone.
Just don’t steal from others then and help stop 🛑 all the illegal gangs that bring in illegal drugs
Smart move from Mexico.
I’m fully convinced that Mexico will stand tall by 2030 with massive infrastructure projects taking place right now. Nothing like The Mexico the Hollywood movies show.
good maybe some Mexicans will stay home a build up a Brivant new Mexican state not building someone else Infrasture
Hollywood movies still puts the Yellow filter and people riding donkeys, like it used to be 100 years ago.
Cartels?
@@glennhibben7757 Fox News Propaganda Paranoia?
Im surprised by how little Americans know about Mexico and Mexicans, despite living right next door to them. The misconceptions they have about Mexicans are hilarious to say the least. There are also misconceptions from Mexicans and other Latin Americans too.
This Mexico corridor will be good for Mexico, AND good for America!
Probably owned by Vanguard or Blackrock
Great for us Mexican people now not just for the country but for all countries in the world not just for the USA 🇺🇸 who all ways pretends to help other countries bring liberty and peace prosperity and at the end taking over their resources oil and petroleum ext !
Now because of the new Government the old government was full of corruption and the USA like all ways pretending to be the world government was just taking advantage of Mexico USA had all these trains an now this new government had to put its foot down to stop
the USA taking advantage of
our resources and treating us like little puppets! No more corruption that's why all these things are happening now!!!
Yes it would be, but at what point will the Cartel takeover or be involved? It's sad how the corruption of simple man can destroy something good. I'm in Houston, Texas 5hrs the same distance to North Dallas, no Non- Mexican is safe near the border, I drive Uber & met a man whose friend Spanish dialect was different than Mexico's so they kidnapped him for ransom. It's bad at the border & eventually the pedestrian train & these plans WOULD SUFFER EXTREME CORRUPTION, I met a lady in my car said she was Abt to be TRAFFICKED from her Lyft ride, she's black & lady said they need to detour. She looked on her phone route was good, she heard her race & height called out, she called 911 cuz the lady driver spoke no English, she was saved, lady was on police radar they were glad to catch her.
@@oscarellis2563
Or the Cartel.....
There is already a railroad supplement to the Panama Canal. It's called the Panama Canal Railway. It runs on the north shore of the canal - 76.6kn (47.6 miles). It was opened in 1855, preceding the canal itself by 50 years and was vital in the canal construction. Its use declined after WWII but was rebuilt to modern standards in 1998 and operated by Kansas City Southern using standard North American double stack container carriers. It has functioned well, particularly during the drought, by taking some of the containers from fully laden, large container ships so as to reduce their draft, moving them across the isthmus then reloading for the 2nd leg of the voyage. This supporting role is exactly as you describe.
the some in Mexico crossing the peninsula railroad
I’m an American living in Panama. I enjoy your informative videos. But I have to correct you on one of your comments about the “highway robbery” Panama was charging ships. Your statement is incorrect. Some of the companies that owned the ships wanted to “cut the line” of the ships waiting and offered much more money to do so. The Panama Canal authority didn’t ask for more money.
Did they accept the bribes though?
Surprised there wasn't a fast pass service in place. Seems like it's the norm everywhere now.
@kosmosXcannon and when everyone has a fast pass. They sell em an express pass. Then rinse and repeat.
They panamanians are more than happy to accept those bribes. It is what it is.
Panama canal Just like real-estate. Always start with an asking price and then, Let the bidding begin!
We Mexicans love Latin America, the Train was only renewed, it was before the Panama Canal and it is a necessary alternative, the Panama Canal is saturated
It’s a misleading title, im Mexican snd I resent the lack of judgement on saying “this is why Mexico wants to kill the Panama Canal” I can assure you Mexico’s government was not thinking how to “kill” finances in Panama. But rather looking for other firms of revenue. Not cool man
The better solution is to manufacture within the end country and thus avoid the shipping issue altogether.
ok mercantilist
Where do you suppose the supplies for that comes from?
@@crystalweible152 The USA is moving its manufacturing to Mexico and away from China due to the shipping issue, and other reasons. Yes, raw materials still need to be shipped to wherever the manufacturing is occurring. But that is way easier and cheaper than shipping finished products.
@@jamesgoode9246 Well the "packaging" for most raw materials are significantly less expensive and way less complicated and usually do not need to be handled delicately. Better?
Exactly. It would bolster local economies, not deplete them.
And half of the cargo are useless items that end up is waste dumps.
So true, people need to stop consuming unnecessary things to save energy and to save the environment
Yup and the worst part is people are eager to buy them just like the famous "Pet rock" it was the biggest scam and yet people bought millions of them
Except the items you buy?
Where did you get that idea? Trump
Both the train Maya and the Transisthmic railway are operational. Finishing touches are being implemented, but once completed there will be an alternative route to ship goods from the Pacific to the Atlantic plus the 10 industrial parks will add value and some finished products will be ready for export! Also the railway throughout Mexico is being upgraded and the passenger trains are starting to be implemented with a transnational railway to connect Mexico, U.S., and Canada is being negotiated. Clearly the future will continue to bring the North American countries closer and more interconnected economically, culturally and now there are 1.8 million Americans living in Mexico plus many Canadians and 33 million Mexicans in U.S. so that we are getting more integrated as a population! What’s good for one is good for all!
Best wishes to Mexico 🇲🇽 🚂 🚢, it was never meant to compete with Panama Canal , but definitely it will help 😊
The Nica canal is pure fantasy. It would go thru much ruggeder terrain and the Indians who live there were a major part of the Contra rebels and they even had started shooting at Chinese surveyors who were talking about building one years ago. It would also be an environmental catastrophy which would add to the unrest. A rail system thru Mexico is more logical and Panama aleady has one that needs to be upgraded and while antiquated, it was specifically designed for shipping containers. FYI and no disrespect, its Lake GUH TOON, not GAH TUN. Not ot mention the Chinese can build anything that doesnt fall apart. Furthermore, the canal is not the whole battle. You need a developed nation with infrastructure and economy to support that level of trade and Nicaragua is nowhere close. They still requre business to have hand written ledgers and the Sandanistas shake businesses down like the mafia. UN program to build a school? You can only buy materials at 600% of the going rate from a party member etc. Law firms, suppliers, services. Not even a remote dream anytime soon.
Ever heard of "Tofu Dreg"? 🤔
As long as Mexico is a cartel state no company that wants to stay in business would ship anything through it.
Panama was not a developed country one hundred years ago; Panama is not a developed country today neither. China, Rusia, and the United States are the only ones that are behind every big or lesser projects in the region.
@@dominicparralez8074 To say Panama is not a developed country today is total BS.
Lol it's good keeps Nicaragua affordable😊 how do you like paying $2 for a bottle of water while it's only $.10 in Nicaragua 😂
I get a kick out of the environmentalists thinking the native landscape would be completely destroyed! Like the process would completely devastate the land leaving it completely barren! They claimed the same thing with the Alaskan oil pipeline, but it been anything but!!!
Gary Bulwinkle excellent point. You are, of course, correct. What ISN'T stated in this video is that the EXACT SAME people who scream about interference with their land are ALWAYS the first ones looking for handout$$ from govt. Essentially, they want it both ways.
As a Canadian, I could cite examples.
That’s exactly why the southern portions of Mexico are the poorest and most underdeveloped parts of the country. Because of “environmentalists” thinking the native landscapes would be destroyed, and these same people riling up the natives and other peoples in the region to not build any industries or infrastructure there. At the same time, these are the same people who complain that no one wants to help them with infrastructure, and the same people who will move to the richer parts of northern Mexico or cross illegally into the U.S. because they want to make more money.
Good on you, Mexico! Cheers from Brazil!
Watop always makes my day better
This is the best video I have seen on this. Great job sir thank you so much for putting this together for us all to better understand. Cheers from 2 Canadians living in Mexico. ✌🏽💖
PS: We were living in Xalapa Veracruz and loved it, now we are in Huatulco Oaxaca and loving it. 🙏🏽
China's high-speed rail is mostly on aerial tracks, lifted track systems that make the line straighter, more level, and more secure. They also leave the land open for nature and farming. Mexico should consider this option. Lifting even 10% of the tracks would make a huge difference in the ecological and agronomic costs.
Build further rail lines, to connect to the US network from the corridor. = No need to reload many ships.
Too many wars to keep up!
With all the gangs through out North America, would that even be do-able?
@@ladamadenadie1658 it might not be feasible with cartels controlling much of northern Mexico, true
That's another thing Mexico announced, they're working on new railroads for both passenger trains and cargo that reach the southwest USA.
They are building trains that's the plan to Nuevo Laredo and Monterrey and many other routes like Nogales
just a friendly suggestion, can you please include kilometers as well like the rest of the world?
One mile = 1.609 km
One km = 0.621 miles
Dollar store calculator = app $3.
@@californiadreaming9216
0.345 km = 345 m
0.345 Miles = ???
@@jorgepreciado6984 345 thousandths of 1 mile.
If only the USA had modern high speed rail link from coast to coast? But I guess your tax dollars go “elsewhere”
That'd be great for passenger service. But this is about freight rail. The US leads the world in freight rail usage.
Our cities were designed to work with vehicles. Most suburban Americans would have to walk an hour round trip just to get bread and milk. Rural? Even longer. Suburbia is meandering and sprawling and tightly regulated what can be built to keep the poor segregated. Rails would cost a lot, have crazy routes, just to be feasible.
@@michaelf7093 modern High speed, dual, or triple track, not the low speed meandering mess that the U.S. has now. If the Russian/Chinese can ship freight from Beijing to Hamburg in 15 days on relatively slow trains over nearly 10,000km, then I’m sure the U.S. can do better over 3,000 km.
@@pickles3128 Build new cities, walkable cities like in Europe. Stop sending your tax dollars abroad, or wasted on wars. Americans get a bad deal for the tax they pay.
If San Fransisco to los Angeles is a billion dollar project how much do you think a high speed rail would cost from the Pacific to Atlantic it would be a trillions 😢 and we had a 2 week long longshoremen strike ... Best thing to boost are economy is to stop being noise in other countries n start focusing on ours
Dude, you always amaze me with the subjects you bring up.
I passed thru the panama canal on a sail boat.
I was amazed at the cost of shipping plastic gadgets to be sold at the dollar store.
My vote would be to decrease the goods being transported across the world.
And
According to your information, it would take 5 days to transport the 17,000 TFE across Mexico. That means maybe 65 to 70 ships a year.
The plan is not to transport, the real plan is to receive raw materials to manufacture in Mexico and been able to deliver them to Europe, china or USA
Serious question why wouldn't they want to port on the west coast instead????
Because the left coast is loaded with wacky rules and regulations.
If there was a modern high speed rail link, then it would make sense. But I guess it’s cheaper by sea, than to invest in infrastructure.
The Rocky Mountains limit the routes that are practical. We have some rail and highways through them, but we would need many more.
We could do it, but it would be difficult and very expensive.
@@akula9713
High speed is good for people, freight can & will be slower.
@@LyleAshbaugh tunnel? It’s just a matter of political will, and money. The Alps have so many rail and road tunnels. I’m saying tunnel all the way through, that would be impractical, but for the more difficult parts.
I seem to remember reading that the plans for the enlargement of the canal a few years ago included construction of a new reservoir. The reservoir was not built, reservoirs are really helpful for water shortages. Does anyone remember that
We are done building the corridor we are just finishing up the industrial parks and few details. We are ready to go. Viva México!!!
Exactly
Exactly
Viva!! 🤗🇲🇽
Hi WATOP. As a transportation professional I find this your video, and this topic, fascinating. Thanks for posting.
Some observations.
1 The capacity concern with IOCR VS Panama Canal is, with respect, a relatively moot point because as cashflow is created, additional railway lines could and shall be added, together with augmenting container offloading/loading facility(s). I would say that the Mexican Govt's bigger concern is the Cartel, and it's interference with both public works and civilian life.
As a Canadian I can tell you that the very same indigenous people, who scream bloody murder whenever infrastructure projects are proposed which cross indigenous-assigned land, are ALWAYS the first ones standing in the line where govt money/compensation is offered. I doubt very much that this politic would be any different in Southern Mexico.
Makes sense to me that if those who don’t want something government is forcing to eventually decide to give up fighting and try to recover losses by government compensation. I’d do the same.
Canada has reliable rail East West with easy border crossings connecting South at a variety of points from Vancouver to Halifax. Instead of waiting on the Panama, why not sail a few days over to Canada, "the forgotten land".
exactly! It's just a short 4000 km from Vancouver to Halifax, and the loading/unloading would be handled by Canadian labour, much cheaper than in Mexico!
another thing that would help wipe out poverty would be if the mexican government wasn't so corrupt. if drug and human-trafficking cartels didn't rule the land. if the mexican government aimed to help the people, not to suppress them. that would go a long way to eradicating poverty.
They should bore a big tunnel at sea level under the continent, so the ships could just sail on through without locks or trains. Charge a toll at either end. The whole thing could be lit, and there could even be shops down there and a roadway for emergency and maintenance workers.
😂😂
I like your input! Instructive and informative! Thank you!!
The only problem I see on this is the Cartels that might be living there that don't want train stopping their drug trade
The ones commenting here about the cartels are probably drug users because that's the only thing they talk about
Yeah yeah! The cartels! You hear Mexico and the only idea comes to your mind is Cartels. But cartels are not present in that region of Mexico. I think you see too much Netflix
Los carteles no dominan esas zonas, y si lo hicieran, el gobierno mexicano tendría que intervenir si o si, ya que se gasto muchísimo dinero en el proyecto, como para que grupos delictivos vengan a apoderarse así de facil una forma de ganar dinero para el pais.
Aparte, los carteles dejarían de tener poder si tan solo, las tiendas de armas de USA dejarán de contrabandear armas ilegales a dichos carteles.
The geography of Mexico has a major impact on this. There's a reason why the vast majority of the population of Mexico is reflected in in a band in the middle of Mexico. Northern Mexico and Southern Mexico are very difficult to travel through. If Mexico in the United States can fix their issues and Mexico can deal with its corruption and criminal problems perhaps they will have the money to remedy this.
You did not mention that Panama already has a "dry canal" consisting of a trans-isthmus railroad and 2 highways that connect with ports at both ocean ends of the Panama Canal. In other words, what Mexico is planning to do is already a reality in Panama.
Watching from Panama while having a cup of coffee :)
When Mexico gets the initial money from the transports they will be able afford to develop further. Stabilize their design with possible future development possibilities. A good idea, and Mexico could really use it. The influencing factors that can be caused by this route holds a lot of promise. Jobs, business, expansions.
Honestly I'm not sure why it isn't already active, if the base design is already there.
It’s already active! But it’s necessary to revamp the ports
Nature will always strive to reclaim the Panama canal..
What needs to happen is they need to start pumping the water in the lock system instead of just letting it flow into the ocean! It doesn't take much intelligence to understand this, but there you go!!!
Talk is cheap my friend.😊
@garybulwinkle82 ugh. The usa designed and built it that way. There ya go.
@@elely1973That was over 100 years ago! An upgrade such that a drought does not prevent or slow the functioning of the Canal would be prudent.
2:53 the greatest source of inflation in the United States is all the U.S. treasury bonds that have been dumped by foreign countries, that have been repatriated or have come back home. When that occurs the bond that has been repatriated no longer backs the currency it was issued for, so all the currency then loses value equal to that bond because all the currency is now being backed by a lesser amount of bonds and a shitload of bonds were dumped between 1/21 and 8/23.
This is really thinking out of the box.
Another great episode for the archive. Thanks
Yes I really hope 🙏 that México will build it so it will benefit the country and others too! God Bless México... Love this Channel Bro!!
LA Long Beach, Oakland, and Seattle all have rail links and All see large amounts of Chinese container traffic I don’t know why this wasn’t even mentioned in the video
@chasmader: Wondered that, too. Potus Clinton closed down the Navy base on Terminal Island and expanded the LB port further (into the ocean) for that GATT fantasy marketing of US goods being sold to China when the reality was purposely stripping out U.S. manufacturing which destroyed the U.S. working class for 'imported goods from China'.
Yes but those are containers unloaded in the US, with their final destination being the US. I don't think it would make much sense to unload thousands of containers, transport them via 3000 miles of rail, and then load them back up on the east coast, if their ultimate destination was someplace in Europe. I mean I could be wrong, it just seems like a lot of extra steps to me though.
The biggest point here are the mega-industrial parks along the rail line - raw materials come in on one coast and leave as finished goods out the other coast, in both directions. That’s an economic engine.
You get the point! 👍🏼
From time to time I noticed this topic, but this video explains it nicely, thoughtfully, and easily understandable. Nice job and thank you.
7:30 For years, I also propose similar for isthmus of Kra.
While they have technical capability to do that, lots of non-technical issues preventing it from happening.
I wish them well but wonder how much the greed and corruption will affect the construction and even plans to improve the lives of the poor.
...poor??? what poor !?!?!
@@nemoniente5844 The region they are talking about, obviously.
@@susanc4622 ...I was being sarcastic...
The construction is already done!
@@matutez1864 😃
A severe drought? Then when prices to transit skyrocket, drought is over, what a coincidence. I checked daily rainfall throughout Panama that summer they claimed there was a drought, it rained like normal, no drought. Locals Panamanian noted no drought but did protest in the 10,000’s over Chinese bringing in hordes of Chinese workers to work in a Panamanian copper mine replacing local Panamanian miners.
We Mexicans are very different from USA, we don’t want to sabotage anything, we compete legally
Sure buddy…you international clowns with your passive anggressive rips on America are. Cartels don’t exist, right?. And illegal immigration was always fair and benefitted America much more, right?
I always click the like button each time you remind me, don't worry. So, I click twice for each video, one at the first reminder at the beginning, and once again at the second reminder at the end. 😊
LoL
the second click eliminates the first
your videos are really great thank you
And dont forget, panama also has a train between the pacific and atlantic ports that can be expanded
Are you a bot?
@@AthamAldecua no why?
You forgot to mention that Mexico has a big train that goes from Guatemala to the United States in the middle of the train tracks, which will also take stuff north and south creating faster ways
Isnt deleting cargo off one ship, putting it on rails and then loading it back up to another ship horribly inefficient too? It takes like 3 days straight to delete one of those mega cargoships, so basicly 6 days just for switching loads. Sure still better than 3 weeks wait on the panama canal but....
Exactly!! I believe there's something fishy going on 😅
We need multiple areas. This would benefit everyone. Great report WATOP.
Stay anonymous with the voice like that? Fat chance Ray Romano.
He sounds more like a skinny Josh Gates to me. 🤔
@@danieldeanmasterfinisher4715It could be! Sounds like Josh…has the same eye colour and eyebrow shape of Josh
It's an artificial voice. Duh.
The government right-of-way already exists; Porfirio Díaz built the original track, so there is minimal use of “eminent domain” involved. The people that have been “displaced” are people who had established make-shift homesteads on the right-of-way of the train from over 100 years ago. The government has moved those people into newly built homes, and were give proper deeds to these new homes, something that they did not have before, since they were previously living on government-owned land, hence without a legal right to the land. Mainstream media outlets in Mexico are not keen at all on mentioning these inconvenient little facts.
raw materials will enter mexico
and finish product come out of mexico
thru california, texas, arizina and gulf
of mexico.
With the lake, the area could become a huge freshwater port for transfer of cargo from ship to train for delivery. It would give the US west coast much needed congestion relief. The rail lines from this point can go east and west of the continental divide to service all of the US and Canada.
I truly don't care about your identity or who you are I just care about the way you narrate your subject content on your channel you do a very good job of it keep up the good work
Panama's canal alternative would be a democratic spirit
Why don't they use sea water to run the Panama canal?
The Panama Canal is not at sea level. The United States did not have the technology to drill the Panama mountain range, so they created the lock system to raise ships to the level of Gatun Lake in the center of the country and then lower it on the other side in the Caribbean.
1) Costs. It takes a lot of energy to pump the volumes of water to higher levels.
2) ground salinity. Canals aren't impervious, unless you fully construct them with water immpervious materials (certain concretes come to mind, just clay doesn't cut it). Some of the salt water will seep into the ground, eventually killing off any possibility of agriculture in the region. And when it's there, it won't go away unless a lot of fresh water is used to flush it out...
3)corrosion of equipment. You'll need to saline proof all locks etc. Ships are (somewhat) made to sail in a saline environment, fresh water locks aren't. This will result in a steep increase of maintenance costs or the requirement of building a complete new set of locks (concrete poured with fresh water conditions in mind erodes a lot faster in salt water conditions. For example, if the concrete isn't completely impervious, chlorine ions will migrate to the concrete weaponing, corroding it).
There are several problems with using sea water. First, sea water only exists at sea level. Billions of acre-feet of salt water would have to be pumped over land into the inland lakes at enormous cost in energy and money. Filling freshwater lakes with salt water would utterly destroy the existing Panamanian ecosystem, triggering an extinction level environmental disaster.
Many of us out here in states that border Mexico want Mexico to be successful. It's good for us and employment opportunities in Mexico cut down on desperate people crossing the border.
Mexico is working to one day 'asap' become economically independent from the U.S. : BRICS here we come.
G7? what G7! oh the AG7 Arrogant Global 7 you mean? World's changing, ain't it.
Mexico’s Oceanic Corridor appears to be a great idea that has been well thought out. Considering the chance that drought may continue to hamstring the Panama Canal it seems that the railway could, and should, be successful.
The advantage Mexico has that Panama doesn’t, it’s the North American free trade agreement.
So it’s way cheaper to relocate entire companies and produce in North America, closer to the inter-oceanic corridor that benefit from the agreement than to relocate them to Panama.
That’s why Korean, German, Chinese and American companies have bought so much land around that corridor, they’re seeing all the potential and have reserved their first row sit already.
i get why mexico wants to see panama canal to fail but with mexico government and the cartels who's going trust shipping goods across mexico?
Ooohhh please Mexico will. Do. Business whit. Other countrys... . And. Will not pay. Tariffs to. Panamá. .. for. Using the canal.
My friend is just riding that train they’re gorgeous.. it takes 7 hours to cross the pacific to the Atlantic Caribbean ocean this is a huge protected already ..
In fact, you should do your research in the case of the Mayan Train as well, it really isn't well planned and they ignored many environmental impact issues, in fact it has already contaminated several underground aquifer systems (in Yucatan they are called cenotes) damaging local fauna and endemic species, apart from the budget is way above what it was supposed to spend, it's normal for projects to cost more than expected, but this project exceeds everything that will be paid in decades.
The Mayan train and the inter-oceanic corridor are two different things.
angie why don't you do some research about Calica?IT'S A HONOR TO BE WITH OBRADOR AND CLAUDIA!
@@mattbosley3531 i'm just saying because he mention it on the end of the video
@@seterminoelchayotebarbadil804 Ugh don't mention them...
The problem is not the sea route, but the lack of good, electrified railways. American railroad is a museum piece. In all countries where the politicians are bribed by the oil industry, they have failed to keep the railway network in good condition.
It would be awesome to left the canal just open from one ocean to the other and see how the salty water flows from one way to the other violently 🤪
Says the clueless.
I came here out of curiosity since I'm a spanish speaker and subscriber to this channel translated to spanish.
And... yes, I always give a like. 😜
If I'm entitled to an opinion...
Don´t ever fire that guy.
He delivers the message, does it with the right amount of humor (humour, still brit?), sounds homely, (even when I'm from LAT I love the accent), fun and warm but also sharp on the concepts.
Meaning no disrespect, but in all honesty... he sounds better than you.
Don´t fire that guy (no affiliation whatsoever, don't even know his name). Derek (Veritasium) switched to a different dub artist and it was never the same. Yes, I still need to consume it, but it was better before.
And yes, he always reminds to give a like, so here´s your like 😅❤
in mexico, the cartels hold more power and force than the government itself
Same in the US
@@jesseso577 When was the last time anyone saw trucks full of armed hitmen riding in convoys down the street❓ NEVER.
It's NOT the same in the US 👎
@@stanmnews January 6, 2020. They stormed the Capitol. They're forcing Christianity upon all Americans, denying people equal rights and generally trying to overthrow the US Government.
This situation could work out well for the cartels. It's like installing a sushi conveyor belt in their own backyard, where they likely have more control than the government. They could hide things or tamper with shipments more easily.
Additionally, who’s contracting the construction, and what about the relocation of current occupants? I’m sure they’ll be fairly "compensated." ChaClick.
everywhere not just in Mexico you dummy
It was the Chinese who built the 2nd set of docks and canals in Panama. They are now the biggest manufacturers in the world. It is a wise choice for Mexico to build industirial parks along the rail route. Raw materials for all types of products can, and will pass by, all be it on a train, so bulky stuff is not an option.
Why do you cover your face? I don’t trust anyone that doesn’t show their faces
You forgot your coffee? Are you coming down with something? LOL. Great information, thank you!
loretta! steve is back! hahaha
@WATOP hey man, great channel. Could you make a video about NAWAPA?
Dude! In case you didn’t know the west coast of the USA has many large ports! The largest USA port is in Los Angeles! They don’t need the Panama Canal and they have no size restrictions. Seattle and Oakland are other logical choices.
Considering the problems and costs of unloading containers, putting them on trains, then unloading them from rail cars, putting them back on ships and then sending them to east coast ports where they will be unloaded and often put back on trains, it would seem it might be more economical to just unload the containers in US west coast ports and ship them by rail.
Great video!…thank you 🙏
Just wondering, what brand and roast of coffee are you drinking
Building a canal is like the opposite of building a wall. Way to go Mexico
I like the anonymous stick. Good videos too!
Never understood why Panama Canal needed freshwater until understood that boats climb up over ocean level and then climb down. In the era of droughts and shortage of drinkwater this method should not work any more.
One thing that was not mentioned was that you will need two ships for the Mexican rail option. And ships, and operating them is not inexpensive. It may save time but it will drive up costs.
The Panama canal isn’t the only way China’s goods get to the US. There are ports in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and LA and other smaller ports.
America become self sufficient. Stop all the shipping pollution!
The waves in the Drake Passage are vicious.
Everyone is forgetting who will be in charge of the Mexican canal. The Cartel
Interestingly.... as you began I thought why don’t they have a rail connection..... and then you suggested it 😮😉
That would be a lucrative business for Cartels, stop the trains, empty the containers etc. 🤔
Bro please go back to school..😂😂😂
That's a long ass railroad. Looks like the Mexicanos are gonna need to put "I've been working on the railroad" on loop 😂
The istmo corridor already is done ( railroad)
The project is already done. Up and running right now!
This ain't like the california railway 20 year nothing built
So when did Steve become the narrator?
The problem with train is that cost. they have to travel 160 Miles and need to go up a mountain and down the mountain. The cost will be to expensive for most shipments.
Couldn't shipments for the USA just go to Texas or California?
No, Mexico doesn't want to "kill" the Panama Canal, this has been said a lot of times, the Itsmo proyect IS A COMPLEMENT to the canal, isn't mean to be a direct competition OR to replace it...
It sounds like a great idea to me. It provides a need for the world and a great need for a local economy.