Really? Hard drawing a shaddoll fusion and then having to specifically give up a light and shaddoll monster assuming you're going first and your opponent does t have any extra deck monsters. Even if they do have extra deck monsters the deck isn't nearly the power house it was. Not with something like 1 card engine invoked or true draco. A +2 off of a card you have to work to search or draw into?... oh wait it's demise or how about electrumite?... Think I made my point.
James Mennenga shaddolls would make a nice come back there stuff's been unhit but construct. If you can winda and contruct in a turn it could stop most special summon decks plus torrential at 3 and fairy tail snow is always a threat. Hell shaddolls dino still making top 32 without grass and ocg it has made top 16 without snow but lawn @3 and contruct @1 and winda was hit to 1. Shaddolls full power could make a nice engine. (By themselves not so much still gonna need a mix either lightsworns or dino's something) but trickstar sky striker is gonna dominant everything still.
Walter Shoup I mean winds is still the best trap / floodgate monster but shaddolls were never hyper consistent plus you can ash shaddoll fusion even if you dont control an extra deck monster. Pure dolls aren't good enough anymore imo. I love that deck and I have 2015 Ocg dolls built for fun and even against meta I dont feel like I have enough plays. Ash just butchers the deck. Hardcore.
yo lithium jusr curious but could you do a gameplay of the lair of darkness structure deck but with the predator plant and briliant fusion engine? I played the deck today with photon thrasher and the deck worked pretty well, but I was curious how it would go with lonefire since you get an immediat access on diablos and can summon both of the smaller ones as well. also I was playing destrudo since he's searchable and double ravine. you can think of it just as abc but to steal the whole enemies hand.
Hey Lithium a suggestion might be to transition the deck list in the beginning to the moment when you mention them, as for a few videos I haven't really seen the decks before and you talk about them for like 10-15 seconds before they actually appear. Just a quality of life suggestion that would help out the tempo of 'displaying' the decks. Thanks!
Thanks for the notice! For example this video you talked about 'stick and chair', Construct and DaD before they actually appeared on screen. I had to wait a few seconds for the Lightsworn deck to transition to the Shaddoll deck before I could go "Ahh, this is what he is talking about," so timing "next deck list is..." would be great.
The Foolish Burial effect is what makes Lavalval Chain strong. Much as I love the card for giving Rogue decks a boost, there _is_ the potential for a lot of degenerate loops/FTK's that comes with it, so it's best to just keep it banned.
I hated LS Rulers back in the day because of what happened in game 2. I was never the biggest fan of Shaddolls but they were a cool concept. Would have been an awesome finish to game 3 if it weren't for Shock Master
I feel like going second in this match up is a significant advantage why would you choose to go first when their going first boards are literally worse than sabersaurus no sets pass
Drop the Dark Armed, drop BLS, drop CED.... wait that's wrong. But seriously that field Game 1 was amazing. Hard to believe that back then Dark Armed was at 2 in the OCG while BLS was at 1.
What I like abou this is that these are both very good decks even for today's standards but they let you fucking play! No "during either players turn" on any monster, or "quick effect"
fhsrthj jtryhjert *summons 4 boss monsters, including shockmaster which negates monster effects during your opponents turn against lightsworns* let you play? Ok....
H.I.T!!! 1st it is not a fullforce tournament. Lithium often explains this like "full force zoodiac or pepe would just destroy the other decks and end up in the finals" 2nd I don't really think that full force b.a is better than pkfire because of the overall powercreep between 2015 and 2016(solemn strike and twin twisters for example) and the fact that you have way more opportunities in pk fire like searching your fogblade, crush something with break sword, make rank 4 cause of breakswords eff and the terrortop engine.
Marcello neither do I honestly it's garbage in tcg ocg version was godly though Artifacts were the best and Performage chaos variants were okay but I didn't care for the play style
If you get into the perspective of winter-spring 2014 Shaddoll players though, you'd appreciate the huge chances to build a very pure Shaddoll deck with cards like Judgment, Card Destruction, multiple Bottomless, multiple CED, multiple Soul Charge, multiple TT, Monster Reborn, Heavy Storm.
Marcello I like the builds when El Shaddoll fusion came out the artifact engine 3 moraltach 1 beagletach 3 sanctum 3 ignition Felise Lightsworn 2 denkos really good deck less bricky than star Seraph
Artifact Shaddolls was the build I preferred too, because Artifacts to some extend would make up for the lack of good traps in TCG: the staples were only 1 CED, 1 BoM, 1 Super Poly while the occasional techs were Chaos Trap Hole, Warning and Emptiness, so the deck could surely use more traps. To be fair though, Denko didn't go along any well with Artifacts. Not a reason not to run Denko, but a problem that would show up often. Another problem was the fact that Moralltach was not really a great card in the meta (both Shaddolls and BAs were floaters). Nonetheless, you could summon Pleiades and Michael with Artifacts, which are probably the highest ceiling cards Shaddolls have ever had, together with BLS. Artifact Shaddolls kept being popular even with Qliphorts release, because they were a stable build standing some chance in their worst match up ever, thanks to the Ignitions (coupled with MSTs). Instead the Chaos builds, in order to win against Qlis, had to be hardly committed to OTKs and draw-godly-or-scoop playstyle with many potential bricks (little Chaos dragons & DAD, Denkos, Enemy controllers, MSTs, Felis all in one deck meant asking for bricks). But soon after, Moralltach got limited (and I think Super Poly banned in the same list) so Chaos Shaddolls sadly became the only viable option.
Marcello No that's not true at all that format had triple Vanity's Emptiness and such Denko works great with artifacts the turn 1 Denko Shaddoll fusion on top of being a light for construct the way it should be and only way is 3 Shaddoll beast 2 falco 2 hedge hog 2 dragons 1 Squamata 3 math matican 2 Denko sekkas 1 Felise Lightsworn Archer 3 moraltach 1 beagletach 1 scythe (side more) 1 bls spells were 3 Shaddoll fusion 3 El Shaddoll fusion 1 super poly 1 soul charge one Raigeki 3 artifact ignitions traps 3 sinister Shaddow games 3 artifact sanctum 1 Shaddoll core extra deck 1plaedes 1artifact xyz 1 volcasauras 3 construct 2 Winda 1skek 1 Blackrose moonlight 1 Ancient Sacred Wyvern ( out to Towers) 1 Michael Lightsworn 1level seven Synchro that removes 2counters and pops cards 1leo Moraltach was great against the meta it constantly interrupted your opponents plays didn't target it was broken that's why it got limited Denko Sekka was a staple because of ba qli and sattellar knights if you didn't run it your games were way more difficult than it would have with Denko Denko can be summoned any time the artifact engine makes no difference it doesn't happen that often at all between sinister Shaddow games and Dragon beagletach and artifact ignition your backrow is usually gone you use all those up and drop denko Sekka the version I'm talking about won Lithiums cross banlist cup a few years ago
Dragon Rulers are a good match up but I don't think they do very well at one in Lightsworns against Shaddolls I prefer that Dragon Ruler deck with Dark Matter they had a crazy duel in your other cross banlist tournament
OMFG so explosive plays, also Dark Armed vs Judgment was absolutely fenomenal
Gonna say it again, Shock Master is the most broken ED mosnter. Double DAD is also insane, DAD all 3 games? Moving on to the best group next too :)
The sack was strong in this one, very strong indeed. Great vid Lith, keep up the good work! :D
I miss Shaddolls. :( #RIPConstruct
Getting an instant +2 out of a Construct. Yeah, balanced.
Really? Hard drawing a shaddoll fusion and then having to specifically give up a light and shaddoll monster assuming you're going first and your opponent does t have any extra deck monsters.
Even if they do have extra deck monsters the deck isn't nearly the power house it was. Not with something like 1 card engine invoked or true draco. A +2 off of a card you have to work to search or draw into?... oh wait it's demise or how about electrumite?...
Think I made my point.
Nope
James Mennenga shaddolls would make a nice come back there stuff's been unhit but construct. If you can winda and contruct in a turn it could stop most special summon decks plus torrential at 3 and fairy tail snow is always a threat. Hell shaddolls dino still making top 32 without grass and ocg it has made top 16 without snow but lawn @3 and contruct @1 and winda was hit to 1. Shaddolls full power could make a nice engine. (By themselves not so much still gonna need a mix either lightsworns or dino's something) but trickstar sky striker is gonna dominant everything still.
Walter Shoup I mean winds is still the best trap / floodgate monster but shaddolls were never hyper consistent plus you can ash shaddoll fusion even if you dont control an extra deck monster. Pure dolls aren't good enough anymore imo. I love that deck and I have 2015 Ocg dolls built for fun and even against meta I dont feel like I have enough plays. Ash just butchers the deck. Hardcore.
i know it was a sack fest but it was super fun to watch, DAD vs JD, BLS and construct in the mix, so many iconic cards puttin in work, loved it ^^
That duel was disgusting..... Wow. Just wow. Anyway. I await your next uploads. :)
I remember them putting Dark Armed to 2 at the time, and I was like “Are you guys insane?!” And yep, there it is.
My god lightsworns got sent to the Shadow Realm in that last game lol
yesssss. Come on shaddolls. Ima need you to win again
That Dark Armed in game 2 hit the field so fast it looked like it got summoned from the deck xD
yo lithium jusr curious but could you do a gameplay of the lair of darkness structure deck but with the predator plant and briliant fusion engine? I played the deck today with photon thrasher and the deck worked pretty well, but I was curious how it would go with lonefire since you get an immediat access on diablos and can summon both of the smaller ones as well. also I was playing destrudo since he's searchable and double ravine. you can think of it just as abc but to steal the whole enemies hand.
Hey Lithium a suggestion might be to transition the deck list in the beginning to the moment when you mention them, as for a few videos I haven't really seen the decks before and you talk about them for like 10-15 seconds before they actually appear. Just a quality of life suggestion that would help out the tempo of 'displaying' the decks. Thanks!
Thanks for the notice! For example this video you talked about 'stick and chair', Construct and DaD before they actually appeared on screen. I had to wait a few seconds for the Lightsworn deck to transition to the Shaddoll deck before I could go "Ahh, this is what he is talking about," so timing "next deck list is..." would be great.
Holy Lightning Shaddoll too stronk. RIP Lightsworn Rulers, you’ll always be no. 1 in my heart.
Love seeing stick chair going off
This match was fantastic! And both decks still have a chance to go to the next round. It all depends now how well they do their next matches.
Game 1 FTK, Game 2 OTK, Game 3 OTK.
Extremely powerful decks.
hello Lavalval Chain my old friend, I want you back at 1 again :( , but I guess a generic Monster searcher is always gonna be broke
:'(
yeah :(
lavalval might be too slow now, only usefulness would be the foolish burial effect
use the foolish effect then link it away
The Foolish Burial effect is what makes Lavalval Chain strong. Much as I love the card for giving Rogue decks a boost, there _is_ the potential for a lot of degenerate loops/FTK's that comes with it, so it's best to just keep it banned.
That last game was just jaw dropping.
Literally my two favourite decks of all time
god, that was absolutely brutal... didn't stand a chance, lol.
On 2nd duel, why lith didn't summon lumina and discard raiden and go for Michael? Its the best moves compared to light brigade...
I honestly feel it’s time to bring back the big daddy’s, having 1 of each ruler will not break the meta.
Lightsworn Rulers was ❤️ that is my third favorite deck behind hieratic Rulers and xyz zombies
That monster reborn draw at game 3 was what determinated the otk.
Doble Dark Armed Dragón?
Yes!!!!! The deck i wanted to win did!!!!
Seeing dark Armed off that draw from beast made me audibly cough. That was nasty
I hated LS Rulers back in the day because of what happened in game 2. I was never the biggest fan of Shaddolls but they were a cool concept. Would have been an awesome finish to game 3 if it weren't for Shock Master
That was awesome!!
When will this tournament ever end
Nov 2018 aiming :)
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I feel like going second in this match up is a significant advantage why would you choose to go first when their going first boards are literally worse than sabersaurus no sets pass
Drop the Dark Armed, drop BLS, drop CED.... wait that's wrong.
But seriously that field Game 1 was amazing. Hard to believe that back then Dark Armed was at 2 in the OCG while BLS was at 1.
That Shock Master was dirty af
Wow, shaddoll was so explosive. Today with the cards nerfed it seems bad.
That DAD in game 2 made my heart stop for a moment. If someone told me that the shaddol player stacked his deck, I would believe them.
the duea powercreep explained in one video
Amazed at Diabolos spam. Eclipse wyvern is busted
What I like abou this is that these are both very good decks even for today's standards but they let you fucking play! No "during either players turn" on any monster, or "quick effect"
fhsrthj jtryhjert *summons 4 boss monsters, including shockmaster which negates monster effects during your opponents turn against lightsworns* let you play? Ok....
stormanator01 forgot the Shockmaster ahah. But besides that, theres no negations on monster effects. I think you get my point
Awesome!
That was savage
where is b.a in the tournament
H.I.T!!! Group G Pk fire
Popelfresse92 ain't this a fullpwoer tournament why is pk in here pk was in 2016 to 2017 in nekroz format where b.a had 3 of everything
H.I.T!!! 1st it is not a fullforce tournament. Lithium often explains this like "full force zoodiac or pepe would just destroy the other decks and end up in the finals"
2nd I don't really think that full force b.a is better than pkfire because of the overall powercreep between 2015 and 2016(solemn strike and twin twisters for example) and the fact that you have way more opportunities in pk fire like searching your fogblade, crush something with break sword, make rank 4 cause of breakswords eff and the terrortop engine.
pk is not and i mean not better then b.a
H.I.T!!! Of course is ba better than pk lol? Pk-fire is just ba with a little pk-engine which makes the deck better.
Group of death.
This is DELICIOUS
Shaddoll 😍
Never bring back shock master
Never fancied Start Seraphs in Shaddolls meh
Marcello neither do I honestly it's garbage in tcg ocg version was godly though Artifacts were the best and Performage chaos variants were okay but I didn't care for the play style
If you get into the perspective of winter-spring 2014 Shaddoll players though, you'd appreciate the huge chances to build a very pure Shaddoll deck with cards like Judgment, Card Destruction, multiple Bottomless, multiple CED, multiple Soul Charge, multiple TT, Monster Reborn, Heavy Storm.
Marcello I like the builds when El Shaddoll fusion came out the artifact engine 3 moraltach 1 beagletach 3 sanctum 3 ignition Felise Lightsworn 2 denkos really good deck less bricky than star Seraph
Artifact Shaddolls was the build I preferred too, because Artifacts to some extend would make up for the lack of good traps in TCG: the staples were only 1 CED, 1 BoM, 1 Super Poly while the occasional techs were Chaos Trap Hole, Warning and Emptiness, so the deck could surely use more traps.
To be fair though, Denko didn't go along any well with Artifacts. Not a reason not to run Denko, but a problem that would show up often.
Another problem was the fact that Moralltach was not really a great card in the meta (both Shaddolls and BAs were floaters). Nonetheless, you could summon Pleiades and Michael with Artifacts, which are probably the highest ceiling cards Shaddolls have ever had, together with BLS.
Artifact Shaddolls kept being popular even with Qliphorts release, because they were a stable build standing some chance in their worst match up ever, thanks to the Ignitions (coupled with MSTs). Instead the Chaos builds, in order to win against Qlis, had to be hardly committed to OTKs and draw-godly-or-scoop playstyle with many potential bricks (little Chaos dragons & DAD, Denkos, Enemy controllers, MSTs, Felis all in one deck meant asking for bricks).
But soon after, Moralltach got limited (and I think Super Poly banned in the same list) so Chaos Shaddolls sadly became the only viable option.
Marcello No that's not true at all that format had triple Vanity's Emptiness and such Denko works great with artifacts the turn 1 Denko Shaddoll fusion on top of being a light for construct the way it should be and only way is
3 Shaddoll beast 2 falco 2 hedge hog 2 dragons 1 Squamata 3 math matican 2 Denko sekkas 1 Felise Lightsworn Archer 3 moraltach 1 beagletach 1 scythe (side more) 1 bls spells were 3 Shaddoll fusion 3 El Shaddoll fusion 1 super poly 1 soul charge one Raigeki 3 artifact ignitions traps 3 sinister Shaddow games 3 artifact sanctum 1 Shaddoll core extra deck 1plaedes 1artifact xyz 1 volcasauras 3 construct 2 Winda 1skek 1 Blackrose moonlight 1 Ancient Sacred Wyvern ( out to Towers) 1 Michael Lightsworn 1level seven Synchro that removes 2counters and pops cards 1leo
Moraltach was great against the meta it constantly interrupted your opponents plays didn't target it was broken that's why it got limited Denko Sekka was a staple because of ba qli and sattellar knights if you didn't run it your games were way more difficult than it would have with Denko Denko can be summoned any time the artifact engine makes no difference it doesn't happen that often at all between sinister Shaddow games and Dragon beagletach and artifact ignition your backrow is usually gone you use all those up and drop denko Sekka the version I'm talking about won Lithiums cross banlist cup a few years ago
Finally my Dolls don't brick I was waiting for this honestly rulers have no chance against Shaddolls when their at 1 accept for the dark matter ones
Jesus, calm down o.O
Can we just put DAD at 3? I want to see what happen if DAD is at 3 :)
yes give Elementsaber 3 copy of it lol
Dragon Rulers are a good match up but I don't think they do very well at one in Lightsworns against Shaddolls I prefer that Dragon Ruler deck with Dark Matter they had a crazy duel in your other cross banlist tournament
1st
That 10:01 lol
U played the LS rulers bad
A ruler deck without skull lair? All the missed advantage.😢
Except for the part where you're fighting shaddolls.. it's bad for the matchup.