Australia submarine deal, Europe after Merkel, Marks&Spencer closures, Christo's Arc de Triomphe
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2021
- A stab in the back, a breach of trust. France's foreign minister fuming after Australia's surprise dumping of a deal for 12 French diesel-power battle ready submarines in favor of a new three-way defense partnership with the US and the UK along with Washington providing the technology for eight nuclear-powered subs. The Pacific is becoming a more volatile place.
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The French should also mention that the Swiss also turned down a contract to purchase Fighters, recently.
Under the pressure of US gov (as usual I should say).
@@jpc7118 If you can buy better products at lower prices, do you need pressure to make decision?
@@tonyvu2011 American weapons are always overpriced, what are you talking about?
@@tonyvu2011 The french second proposition (nuke barracuda) was still possible and better than the american one and far more interesting : delivering them before 2030 was possible. Then YES the US pressure was evident. They did all in secret to avoid a french counter-proposition.
@Pedro Brexit LMAO...
The French Government didn't take Australia's concerns seriously, this has been an issue for many years.
The contract signed in 2016. Not a thing comes out of the dock. 35 billions becomes 60. So many issues and problems did France know that?
@@danhdang701 It was worse than that 25 Billion became 90 Billion and the French wonder why the contract was dumped. FFS
@@danhdang701 There were even projections for up to 200$B , we all know how govt contracts go.
France don't take anyone seriously, that's the problem. The think the world is theirs.
The French subs were not battle-ready and France 24 has no idea what part the US and the UK will be putting in to the new deal. Also almost right from the start, it has been clear the French had never been serious about 60% of the cost being spent in, and 100% of construction/assembly being in Australia. There were never 4,000 jobs in this in France as Macron announced in a French shipyard in 2016 unless these boats were to be built or largely fabricated in France. The only other explanation is that Macron was simply lying to the French people when he claimed there were to be 4,000 jobs in France. One other thing. In the 1990s, the greatest number of foreign intelligence agents spying in London were Russians. The second largest was....... France.
Dear France, this is how you could have kept the deal.
1. Don't spend $40 billion over budget.
2. Don't delay delivery by 10 years.
3. Don't expect Aussie colleagues to kiss you every day.
4. Don't expect Aussie colleagues to accept long lunches every day as part of the working conditions.
You will get $400 million compensation for producing absolutely nothing.
Its all politics now - Macron screwed up and is hoping for reelection.
do not have agreement with US, they are there just for breaking..
Yep. In 2019 the total was $50B, two years later the total is $90B, still without a tool being touched. 🤣🤣🤣
America's breaking? The only thing the US will break is Communist aggression. ✌😎
Well what do you expect? It's called licensed/legal corruption, a common feature of the military industrial complex
@Watcher Only that traitor, Milley, and a select few left-wing liberal socialist operators installed within the Joint Chiefs' and Pentagon. They'll soon burn for their deceit. 🤣🤣
@@rexeverything4578, take your medicine.
Well done AUKUS it is what the French deserve their subs are out of date before they are finished. Talk of backstabbing the French are the masters at that game
@John Hailstone So go tell China that...
The Aussie govt were always assholes in the first place, look what they did to East Timor for decades, heck the Aussie govt abuses their own people frequently, they are pretty much minor tyrants themselves that are copying China's oppressive model.
Look at the Melbourne lockdown, people can't leave beyond 5km of their homes? Might as well be in serving a prison sentence.
@@dongster529 East Timor was granted the right to vote for independence by Indonesia. The Indonesians didn't provide security and let the rebels take control. East Timor asked the commonwealth of nations to assist which we did.
@John Hailstone Better be prepared for an attack than living in hope that no one would attack!
Are French submarines seaworthy. It's kind of important for subs
The French were the most vociferous against Britain during the brexit negotiations. The French people are great, but France as a European power and state are no true friends of Britain.
Same thing with Britain, it’s not a trustable friend to European nations as evidenced by the British always creating problems within the EU when they were members.
@@kaboonali5466 saved your asses twice lol, whilst you had a Vichy government…
@@ianransome855 when ww2 was won by russia without them everybody in europe would be speaking german nazis had rallies in NEW YORK CITY they went to america to study racism and look what they did to the jews i know america rewrites history but if thats what they told you wow lmao
neither are the brits to the french and Im not even French btw.
@@mbrazzier275 Is that why Stalin was Begging 🇺🇸 🇬🇧 to open up another front was because USSR was winning?😂
How about those supply convoys from North America to Murmansk?
Did they need those because they were winning?😂
its just good business. those french subs were waaaay overbudget and had a production timeline of 10yrs. france needs to change how they do business, qatar just said a couple of months ago that their airbus orders was the biggest mistake the airline had made since its inception. in this case, a customer didnt like their product so the customer returned the said product
So you are saying that Airbus are bad plane? Lets say it again Airbus is Pan European with many country being part of it French has just 11% of it and German Spanish, English and Italian then the general public. Please tell us more about the state of Airbus compared to the main competitor Boeing. In this industry if you plane are no good. Boeing and Airbus dominate the world market and together account of 91% of the total market out of this airbus in 2020 has 56% of it. If they were so bad like you are saying they would not be holding the leadership. By the way about subs timeline please check how long did the first astute class from design to service took ... 27 years 14 March 1997 - 27 August 2010 and 56% over budget, the second unit Ambush 22 October 2003 - 1 March 2013 took 10 years ...
It wasn’t just business. It was a partnership. God how much I despise the WASP and their mentality. Traitors
@@jureeratpholseela7508 I never said Airbus were terrible planes, though their neos are huge fuel guzzlers. I meant to say that how the french go about doing contract pricing and production is antiquated and it will continue hurting their businesses. I understand most of their companies still want to fulfill their employees 30hr work weeks and 6 month vacations but out here it will hurt their business. Even Boeing is a multinational company. And when it comes to these subs no one is talking abt new designs. What Australia is getting from the US are already in production tried and tested designs. Why should they pay 90bln for diesel subs?? That's insane.
@@jureeratpholseela7508 Taking aside French arrogance; they are only the Western power with full military technological independence, and their goods are usually among the top in each category. And Suffren, is a very capable ship. The french provided what AU asked for, even if it was an extravagance. Neither the AU government nor Naval Group made the tax payers aware that taking a baseline design was only a guidance, but implied practically redesigning the ship from scratch. If they had changed their mind to nuclear, they could have surely negotiated a new deal.
@@MC-cg2rr a bit racist but ok
How annoying is this host? Let your guests finish their thought.
Why is a fashion contributor commenting on politics?
She said one thing right though.. Britain is behind this debacle.
@@CollieJenn oh, cause the US does everything the U.K. says. Clueless
@@fanfeck2844 Modus Operandi.
You took the words out of my mouth. Please spare us the trite comment and silly giggles in future. Thanks goodness not all your guests took the whole thing as a joke.
@@CollieJenn very likely. Discussed during trade deal probably
It was worth 90bil aud- it was ordinarily ment to be 100% assembled in Adelaide, and 60% manufactured in Adelaide. What Australia wants is if war were to break out, that we would still get our Subs, not France play games and delay thing.
Come on France you should have stopped looking at the deal from what you get out of it, other than money. You lost the contract because you were more focused on youself than the customers needs.
I totally Agree the French were stuffing around
will you have your fancy american subs faster tho?
It wasn’t a deal. It was a partnership. And this is treason. And “Come on loser”, that’s what you really mean.
@@MC-cg2rr if I wanted to refer to the French as losers I would have, as the reader cannot understand the emotion I'm looking to convey unless written.
As for leed times we will have to see. My 2c is that due to BAE having a large Adelaide presence, we will be getting the Astute class subs with American reactors. Also BAE is wrapping up production of the Astute in the UK, so can you guess who will get immigration visas through an existing trade/skill scheme.
the French submarines were way over budget
And you expect the American ones to be cheaper? Ahahaha
You are dealing with the US military industrial complex. Nobody ripps off governments on weapons more than them.
There is a reason why the US military budget is $750 Billion and yet it has half the number of troops as China.
Look at the F-35. That is the future of the Australian submarines program. Computer and software Glitches, delays and budget over runs.
@@danwelterweight4137 And yet Switzerland choose F-35 over Rafale.
... and they stink!!
@Debajit it sounds to me like Morrison tried to give Macron as much of a heads up as they thought was wise. Would it be a good idea to let the French know you were going another way before it was all locked down and risk it being exposed or sabotaged. The French essentially kneecapped the Japanese to get the original deal so they’re not above playing dirty.
@Debajit The French were warned for several months that the deal was under threat and they sent a Navy Admiral to Australia 3 weeks ago to shore up the deal but way too late the French tried to rip us off. Too Bad so sad move on. The French quoted $25 Billion but when the program was cancelled the bill was up to $90 Billion for 12 subs. The US can put 10 Tennessee Class Nuclear subs in the water for $15Billion US. Even if it cost $50Billion AUD for 8 Nuclear subs it is half the cost of the French rip off.
China is not the nation it was 5 years ago when the Aussies signed up for French diesel boats. You can't blame Canberra for needing more capable submarines, and there are no French submarines even close in performance.
Now Australia will pay some penalties probably, and life goes on.
France doesn’t act like a friend to the UK
it's the other way around actually
@@motan7864 no it is not
Don't be stupid, Perfidious Albion has no friends
@@StephanieTihanyi is that all you can say repeat the same comment over and over
More facts and less opinion, please.
It's an opinion show!
Evident that knowledge of the facts is low from the comments.
Karma for reneging Mistral contract with Russia.
Just to remind you genius that the reneging of the contract was because USA blocked it. It was not 100% the French decision. The Ships were nearly ready the Russian paid for it , we had to buy them back + penalty ... Karma not really
@Robert Vial you don’t have the fact, Robz. The US forced the French. Hypocritical your mother
@@jureeratpholseela7508 i thought france is a sovereign country..
LOL
@@jureeratpholseela7508 double rekt by US. time for France to just work with China. France should send astronaut to the chinese spacestation in 2 years. china can even provide france with EMALS for it future carrier. China and Europe has common interest to stablize Africa, African development is the only way to ensure global sustainability. as US retreat from the rest of the world to focus on China, China will do the opposite and engage the rest of the world.
people don't even realize how long it takes to build 8 nuclear submarines
But whilst they are being built, Australia has the full support of the USA and Britain.
Exactly! Plus the full contract was for twelve I believe so just imagine. I'm sure the French defense ministry had planned so many jobs and future budget demands around this deal just to have the Americans swoop in. I guess that's business!
10 years
@@BaljinderSingh-xy4ik
That's for 1. ( I mean first technology demo model )
Australia may be able to lease a smaller number of submarines of the same class while its own fleet is being built. This will provide for more immediate defence and give the crews much needed practical experience.
France won a contract to build 12 submarines in Australia for $50 billion dollars (AUD). They kept delaying and increasing the cost. By the time it was cancelled it was to be 60% built in Australia still no physical work started and $90 billion dollars. Who knows how much it would have cost in the end.
In that time, Australian needs have changed.
Cancellation of the contract has fees which will be paid by Australia (no back stabbing from Australia).
So why is France annoyed? Oh, they were only told about the cancellation a few hours before the public announcement.
Seeing how France is acting now, does anyone really think they would have kept it a secret?
Remember, France performed nuclear tests in near Australia even up to the 1990’s despite Australia’s protests. France bombed a ship in New Zealand in 1985 which killed someone and they tried to get out of apologising or paying compensation. France and Australia are not allies. I don’t know what that idiot talking about back stabbing from allies is on about.
The bottom line is this. The UK is a true friend of Australia, and wouldn’t be doing what France is doing now if they were in Frances position. France might claim they would help us in a time if need, but that would change if China threatened them with economic sanctions. Obviously France and Australia share common values and we all hope that both countries prosper and stay safe. But France and Australia are not allies.
The Swiss bought F35's
@Amy Gordon what? you chinese?
Expect a lot more refugees crossing the English channel in the next few months
HGV licence holders can use the green lane.
Like the French have stopped any coming to the UK.....
@@0penminds They have, about 35% of those attempting to leave from France. numbers will increase as we approach the end of the calm crossing summer window.
Surely your not suggesting the French will weaponise the illegal migrants? That's an Erdoğan type move. Oh dear France, tut tut. 🤔
If refugees result from the freedom fries crusade , then Britain has an obligation to handle those resulting refugees . USA and Australia also .
Remember when France broke the deal with Russia regarding the Mistral class ships?
because of US political pressure
@@motan7864 why you let Yankee ordering you around? Still your fault
@@gkagara yes we shouldnt have obeyed
The Mistral ship deal was called off by the French probably with a secret deal to allow the French- Australian submarine deal. But the French got double crossed the British and Americans. Australia will suffer the most because those nuclear powered submarines will be against China. But I think Australia and America can't beat China anyway.
@@MrAmhara China is clearly unbeatable. After the US decades of forever wars...there was no way to do catch-up with the PRC.
Puffed up Macron/France gets the Grand Brexit Slap. Sweet.
Russia is silent. As Sherlock Holmes says "the dog did not bark" is where the clue to this deal lies.
how are they relevant though? I'd have thought they would just be happy with a more secure SEA sea
They're amused.
@Sudakar S, Nice to see Dogs makes Great Blunder of their Own. Biting each other is Good to see Them do that.
Why is USA raising Hell ?
AUKUS alliance
but why : here is why
It is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America
-
Zbignew Brzezinski (Nicholas J Spykman)
What Scot Morrison said is right there was Enormous pressure at home because the contract was nearly
10 yrs behind scedual the French company kept promisingThings would improve but after 10 years not 1 submarine had been started.
And you think a new NUCLEAR sub would make it any faster? lol. Even more delays.
The order was just made in 2016!
it was signed in 2016 how can it be 10 years behind? you are delusional, stop spewing the US propaganxa you hear in the news
@@EK-gr9gd the french kept on pushing the completion dates back.
@@motan7864 because the french kept on pushing the completion date back.
China and Russia can now also share their SSN technology with Iran, Venezuela and Cuba?
With Agantina as well?
@@danhdang701 why not?
Well they will have to pay for it.
@@charlieroberts7775 if I am China, I will give them a big discount, especially.
10 Frances can't tackle China let alone one lonely France
The France 24 journalist taking The French side?! Who wudda thunk!?😉☺😂
The reason France is angry isn’t because of a lost contract but because France like Britain has one goal - maintain some Semblance of relevancy on the world stage. France wanted it to be (US, France and Oz)
That is stupid! Of course the UK would be part of it, Australia is still part of the British crown. France is mad bc it wasn’t invited.
OH, that is partly true.
I think the loss of the billion Euro "deal of the century"
did have something to do with French anger.
France builds Subs and Australia was in the market to buy some, everything was pretty much agreed on then all of the sudden the Americans, backstabber that they are, say "We"ll do the deal instead"..
Lesson learned...time to take some distance from these so called alliances with the "US/UK friends".
If anything, France's opportunity to be a world player is strengthened now, provided it can forge a cohesive European entity that doesn't have to be the US's lap dog. Hell, even the Saudis and Iranians are realizing that they need to find commonalities to forge a united Middle East.
@@baklava6138 I agree that France is butthurt. And yes, Australia has a very close relationship with the UK, and since WW2 an even closer relationship with America.
But Australia is no longer part of the British Crown. Queen Elizabeth is *independently* the Queen of Australia. Queen Elizabeth has 15 seperate jobs. The British Crown is only the (titular) head of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. The Australian Crown is a separate relm.
Also, it is a basically just a titular role anyway.
I am French, but I understand what Australia is doing because it finds itself in the front line and it needs massive resources as quickly as possible and probably even nuclear weapons. I think your government is doing what is best for the interests of Australia and Australians ... what I blame the French government for is not having made the same choice for years , because to obey the instructions of the "allies", France has lost billions by following the embargo against our Russian friends and against other countries. Personally, I have thought for a very long time that it is in France's interest to ally with the Russians, we are on the same continent, we have a historic past, they have never despised us as the Americans do, they have all the raw materials we need, we have manufactured and agricultural products that they appreciate, we have an immense maritime surface that we could better defend with them, and the technological mix of their military industry and ours we would be also very profitable
This comment has aged well…
Well done Australia, UK and the US for creating AUKUS. The French have never been a true friend of the UK. How could the French think their submarine programme was ever going to come to be with so many questions and negativity com8ng out of Australia over this deal.
european strategic autonomy: ie we want to dither and hesitate and take our true place in the world as an irrelevance.
And digging at England as well I seem to remember they didn't forget you in your time of need
Good job the Aussies didn’t order French tanks - they only have one gear forward and five in reverse 😂
Oh the hilarity. Did you think that up? Give up your job immediately and become a comedy writer
@@chrisbuesnell3428 I would love to take credit alas its stolen a bit like "Le Fromage mange des singes"
@@chrisbuesnell3428 Ask your president, he's the best comedian ever
France's Ambassador forgot to mention : submarines deal for diesel (not nuclear) propulsion, explosion of costs(expensive), 8 months late deliveries...
On the opposite the US offered cooperation in cyberdefense and technology transfer (for nuclear propulsion that french kept for themselves).
France didn't have a better offer than that of other countries like US and Russia, or even China...
If the French Foreign Minister had watched Sky Australia over the past year he would not have been surprised as the problems with the French contract have been a frequent point of discussion. It has been clear from the discussions that the French thought they had Australia over a barrel and could keep on upping the contract price whilst delaying delivery somewhat like your nuclear power contract with Finland.
also it was a focus point on the ABC's Press Club which is available to all on youtube.
Funny, there are reports all over youtube about all these cost overruns and not one sub would be made for a decade for Australia... what were the French thinking? I know Germany is outgunning them on the dairy side of things, but milking the Australians for everything they had to get a sub?
because there are something call agreement which some country do not understand i guess. according to the agreement, first sub will be built before 2035, but now have to start all over again...the first will be build not before 2040.. 20years.. not sure if australia navy still need them...
Well Australia did sign the agreement. At some point it made sense. Sure 10 years. But that's a normal lead time. The us subs are 20 years lead time.
Figures given are meaningless without accompanying facts . Majority comments are low on facts here . Hardly more than $8 billion would have gone to France . The development was close to contract gold post markers , a little behind in places, but look at that the teething problems of the new carrier of the US . France did ask Australia if they wanted to perhaps reconvert the design to nuclear in June. Australia said no, they told France it's all OK . However Australia had already made deal or deal was underway with Yanks it turns out . This is the crucial deception referred to which may or may not make Australia liable for losses of France cos France may have been able to engage in other lucrative contracts if Australia had been forthcoming .
I think this will blow over as long as it is all done above board and throught the courts in a fair manner. France has alot of defence industry in Australia with the company Thales which has bought out some Australian companies. The Aussies will just make some more deals withFrench companies, admittedly not as big as the sub deal.
France may need to tap into the phone line of Biden in future , the same way US taps into the phone line of Merkel 🤣 😅
All will be fine after US gives France a little pat on the head. Trust me, all will be great and fine.
They don’t have the capability
You think they don't?
Epic gamer moment from AUKUS
It was a terrible deal for Australia, costs were rising on an already inferior product. How can you expect Australian troops to sit in diesel subs and get blown out of the water when they could spend a bit more on nuclear. People in Australia have been moaning about this deal for a very long time, before the new deal with UK and USA. France should be more upset about the terrible deal it was trying to put on Australia so maybe the bluster currently is to deflect from what a shit deal they were trying to do.
Real attitude of America to EU. Nothing new
Still better attitude then france on eastern europe
France took this contract from Japan in 2016, perhaps partly due to domestic Australian politics that were wary of buying military hardware from Japan and antagonising China. But we in Japan did not complain. However I do understand the frustration of the French government and the expression of their frustration, because the project was well in advance and the notice to cancel was given a short time before an announcement. I am just saying they were in a reverse roll 5 years ago.
@@richardscheid9846 A car made by GM and nuclear powered submarine are clearly two different things...your analogy is ridiculous.
The primary driver was political, they wanted the subs built in Australia and Japan was not willing to do that. Sadly the French were not well in advance they were running 10 years behind schedule and $40b over budget. How much more behind and over budget would it get if the farce were allowed to continue. The French were well aware the contract was in trouble everytime they failed to meet a deadline and everytime the cost blew out.
@@richardscheid9846 Understood, but the analogy or point is still failed because the levels of engineering, design, safety measures, system redundancies, etc that HAS TO GO INTO SUBMARINES cannot be played around with for obvious reasons - so "taking pride in one's work" takes a backseat to necessity here. U.S. submarine technology is arguably the best in the world - that's all the acknowledgement the shipbuilders need.
@@richardscheid9846 While Japan makes excellent cars, the reality is that US submarines are the best in the world.
@@richardscheid9846 they were on notice for months because they failed to meet any of the contract targets. They are lying when they claim it came as a surprise. The contract had key points that required Australia to sign off on for the contract to continue, the shipbuilders failed to meet the targets as always and Australia chose not to sign on to the next stage.
Delayed delivery, price ballooning, tech sharing took tool. Asia going through serious security issues because of rogue china aggression. Key to keep timelines.
Do you know when the first nuclear-sub from US would be deployed ? It would be after 2040 if it's lucky.
@@socrates5647 3040 if it was French….😂
@@socrates5647 10 years for initial development and 2050 enter service if next president doesn't change their mind.
Australia is located in Indo-Pacific region, to protect its strategy interests and strengthen its national defenses by whatever means necessary is not a stabbed on anybody back nor a betrayed of anyone trust. French foreign minister fuming public speech and chest thumping demeanor is unwarranted and ludicrous. 👨🏻🎓👩🏻🎓
What will the French do about New Caledonia without Australia and the USA. Should the French still have a claim to New Caledonia?
Absolutely. The citizens had a vote last year and decided to remain French. The region is happy about that.
Can we maybe HOPE that M&S will now open in the US and Australia?
Time to diversify instead feasting on weapons of mass distraction.
the french foreign minister has some purple glasses he borrowed from his daughter
Granddaughter
I’m sure China is watching this as comedy drama. 🎭
I highly doubt it. The US mainland just doubled in size overnight.. its also now on their doorstep.
@@urbanpermie6307 They wanted to say something else but not bright enough to do it.
who cares you ，friends？
The French have a naval presence in the Asia-Pacific region !! So what, will they be on side when it comes to the crunch ?
The warship Bayern was refused docking in China. Good thing too - completely two faced of Germany acting the heavy for the 5 eyes gang yet trying to suck up to the Chinese at the same time.
I hope not...they only know how to loose wars...WWI, WWII, Vietnam 🤣🤣🤣
after this incident, France may just switch side and team up with China.
@@lagrangewei I feel sorry for China 🇨🇳
@@lagrangewei what’s in it for China? Perhaps France doesn’t like human rights either
As a US Marine there is nothing worst than the thought of having french soldiers any where near us the french couldn't fight there way out of a paper bag
BS!
@@donlove3741 have you ever trained with french soldiers
How much French blood has been spilt on American soil in the defence of freedom
Spot on
@@justadam1917 how much American blood has been spilled on french soil
A deja vu between France and the U.K. who slipped thru again. Blame Australia and the french negotiators.
So what if the Aussies don't want french subs. Pity they still want to buy subs. That money would be better spent making Oz a nicer place to live.
Prepare for the stone
Without such subs Australia would be incapable of defending it's self in the future. China's behaviour of late more than justifies it
We are an island nation, & have about 4 weeks of oil in our national supplies. We buy from the Saudi’s, ship to Japan for processing then onto Australia. We need to keep our shipping lanes open. If you want our farmers to grow our food, our businesses to provide employment we need to be able to keep our shipping lanes open. You have seen China put trade sanctions against Australia, it is at their whim, that we get fuel. It’s not about war with China, but keeping our country running!
It can't get nicer.
Hang on yes it can. Get rid of Morrison
Australia needs to ever strengthen its relationships with all its allies. China is being very offensively assertive at present and we are certainly not. Ours is a totally following responsive change and should come as no real surprise to China. The French have nothing to be truly upset about in consideration of our strong associations both military and economic. After all is said and done, they have been an independent maritime nuclear submarine power for ages as well as being an independent nuclear weapons power alongside Britain and the US. We are now going to be the very new small partner at a much bigger table and why would they not be able to enjoy us affording to be able to come of age to much better look after ourselves in a much more meaningful and effective manner and within a much larger expanse of the oceans?
The reason is simple... America first...
Good ! It’s time to learn!
European self autonomy already gained strength under trump... it isn't a question of whether or not Europe will pivot but rather to what degree as that ship has already sailed.
In what world did europe not have "self autonomy"? is that why they've been so utterly useless these last 80 years? they didn't think they had the autonomy to make a decision? pathetic.
Before they all start fighting again?
European strategic autonomy would require European nations to actually fund their militaries. That simply won't happen. The European nations steadfastly refuse to spend that much on their militaries. European leaders will stamp their feet and whine about the US not doing what they want, but they simply won't spend the money required to be significant military powers.
The UK currently has 2 carriers, 6 destroyers, 12 frigates, and 11 submarines. France has 1 carrier, 15 frigates, and 10 submarines. The rest of the European navies are basically irrelevant.
In comparison, China has 2 carriers, 28 destroyers, 52 frigates, and 50+ submarines. China will build more naval ships in 4 years than France's entire fleet.
No it did not. What improvement in EU strategic independence has taken place at all in the last decade?
@@M1911jln
China built 7 French navies in 7 years
2013 - 2020
I love France. But I don't think that anyone was surprised that there were cost overruns. Our good Gallic friends tend to be unable to work ....after a very long lunch.
Long breaks make for productive workers... so says La Baguette.
The Australians just want better submarines to counter the CCP. So whats wrong with that? Its not as if France had delivered their submarines and the Aussies are not paying?~
A contract whose increased from 30$ Billion to 90$ Billion and was heading on upwards.
Hey France, teaches you for treating Australia as a third rate partner and trying to scam them on a submarine deal for every dollar you could get because you believed australia had no other option.
Mm
Is that a fact or just your opinion?
@@oldcremehelian3708 its a fact
@@tom4115 Thank goodness. For a minute I thought someone was expressing a poisoned opinion.
Instead of regurgitating silly Brexit /xenophobic nonsense here are some facts for Australia to ponder on in the coming decade's
1. 12 French submarines would have cost US$55 billion.
2. Now Australia will instead get 8 nuclear submarines for US$90 billion.
3. The french deal would have built them all in Australia (jobs for the Aussies) now most if not all will be built in the USA.
4.The costs and maintenance of nuclear submarines is extremely expensive compared to a desiel powered one. Australia a country of just 30 million this is going to be very expensive.
5. Technology is rapidly developing, the 1st submarines is only be ready in 10 years by that time underwater drones would be available and will probably hunt submarines in packs using AI tech. Submarines in 10 years time could possibly be obsolete tech by then.
I always say follow the money who benefits monetarily form all these weapons deal's. BUT if the Aussies hate the Chinese this much let them enjoy, it will not end well????????????
France can also play backstabbing and sell those submarines to China. xD
China don't need these crappy weapon, leave them to yourself little french~
@@OzIan1983 Why not? they are of good quality and as a bonus u will hear veins popping on the US side. hahaha
Probably better off selling those to Iran, they are pretty rich you know with no products to buy off.
@@OzIan1983 China probably buy those to secretly dismantled and learn something from it.
But seriously selling those to Iran probably would also results in the same situation.
@@PhoenlxA cos ours is more advanced
I’ve not noticed any empty shelves.
I don’t get why that lady from st.tropez is in this discussion?!?!? She has a fashion magazine lol.
WOW
It's a French thing. Fashion is everything, even building subs. Ohh ha ha right?
US scaremongering has worked. First scared the Aussies from the Chinese and then sold them the subs. Great job.
No, I think the CCP's recent rhetoric and hostility towards HK, Taiwan, India and Philippines as well as the belt and road debt trap diplomacy as well as fiery speaches from their president have done plenty to scare them into the arms of the US.
France and the EU need to change their direction on China if they are to be taken seriously on the world stage, And why are France and the EU surprising the Anglosphere have a club all of their own.
China is the coming superpower - US is in decline - UK has only memories of the Empire. Send HMS Repulse and Prince of Wales to show the chinese how strong you are and history repeats.
The French company Thales is still one of largest defence contractors in Australia and makes bazillions. The submarine deal was doomed when French naval group wanted less Australian content because this was an election promise to give South Australia jobs.
Why the hell did they wrap that arc?? Wtf it literally just looks like a construction site
The artist is called Cristo. He's been around for quite a while...
Can you believe what B said? Under table, there are deals as well.
Now the French know how the Russians feel.
The difference is that one is a member of Nato and the other is a rogue dictatorship.
Most of UK food is not from abroad
I don’t see anything missing from my local Lidl, Sainburys stores….? Someone is fibbing.
Lots of things are missing from Sainsburys, not sure about Lidl as it always looks like a jumble sale anyway.
just
@@kevinshort3943 1st world problems.... btw, you should try Lidl or Aldi, their products are much better!
This means that the EU must go alone.
Yes, but why can’t the EU understand the peril it is in unless it can defend itself independantly?
No we don’t want half in half out
France 24 should get over this submarine deal already. France cannot compete against the US military industry complex. Obviously Australia was going to go with the US.
They are using British subs not American subs. France can't punish Britain without harming France too, so they hit the US instead. France would prefer to recall the UK and Australia ambassadors but that isn't really an option.
@@tomx641 I think the Americans had to sign off on the technology, but also to send a clear signal to China.
@@toddperman8265 The US and UK subs use jointly designed tech. This isn't just about subs, its way bigger than that, it's 5 eyes with new zealand booted.
Helping an ally when ask is a flimsy excuse when you know a contract exists between both your allies.
You could have spoken to your other ally first.
This 'betrayal' of allies mantra is complete and utter nonsense.
The US suspended arms sales to Egypt in 2013 due to human rights concerns and the French jumped straight in and supplied them with weapons culminating in the most recent contract for 30 Rafale fighter jets this year.
There were several exit clauses in the contract both countries knew about, Australia simply exercised one of these clauses.
@@beerkeg6965 Have you ever sign a contract with exit clauses and then wants to rescind the contract? What is the proper procedure? You rescind your contract by announcing to the world that you entered into another new contract with someone else?
@@geoff9858 the French knew Australia was unhappy with the direction the project was heading for some months prior to the contract being cancelled. How did they know, because Australian representatives told them. The only reason your politicians are playing the 'poor me, boohoo' card is because you have an election coming up and it plays well on the domestic audience.
@@geoff9858 There are two words that symbolise duplicity and we know them well.
Rainbow Warrior.
EU looking weak as ever, Brexit looking like the right decision. #AUKUS
EU-Russia-China alliance soon then.
@@lagrangewei not sure thats german foreign policy quite yet but they are reliant on russian gas and trade freely with the chinese
Brexit is an economic nightmare - now they want to distract from it with some patriotic military sidekicks ;-)
@@minimax9452 in your little head it is. MandS has had to close 11 stores in France, probably because French don't really use supermarkets, I know as I lived there for a year. That's about the biggest economic hit thus far
@@user-iz9co4qf6z GB xports to EU have fallen about 15% and Imports from EU have risen 6.9 % 😅 You are more dependent than ever. Your controlls are delayed because you can‘t afford to delay imports from EU. 👍 Ypur supermarkets are empty. An economic disaster!
Mr Erlanger the total defense spending in the EU is over 200 billion dollars
Le drain looses his temper ooh we're scared 😱
Honor to France in the face of betrayal of the Usa and their slave countries ! Dieu et mon droit ! Honni soit qui mal y pense !
You mean eggs on the face for france
nuclear superpowers need nuclear submarines, not Diesel fueled or treadmill powered. The french should understand that.
Europe must have their strategic autonomy
Before the ones in the levant
Why no french person was participating to this program ? It's France 24 and directly involves french. @france24
Americans are selling submarines to defend Australia themselves. Shouldn't Europe do the same so that US troops can go home. Instead you are complaining about how you were selling a bathtub to someone. Dint you have any dignity left. Or the were dignity is missing from your liberty..... Have some dignity and humility and get your Public to learn English and start using pounds and ounces. It is coming
CCP talking about "peace." LOL
We never took the initiative to start a war！why did you say that？
@@user-df2ij8lc9s Uh oh. CCP troll-bots. Trolling.
@@user-df2ij8lc9s probably because China invaded Mongolia, Tibet and now threatening Tiawan with regular military fly by
Hard to take seriously a government minister with purple eyeglass frames 🤣🤣🤣🤣
france is not really angry of the cancelled submarine contract, what their fuming the most is they been left out of the new alliances of aukus. they lost the chance to be part of it and lose it prestige to be a global power...the uk and us know that france is an annoying allies even during ww2
We get that. But no-one can understand why the French can’t see that they don’t deserve any other country’s real trust and brotherhood.
Pick an ally. France or USA. That's hard.
A few months negotiations? try 18 months. The French were late twice with deadlines then cut the Australian content from 90% to 60% then the price went from 40 billion to 90 billion dollars plus the US and UK deal was too good to refuse. The US subs nuclear propolsion is way better for a country that doesnt have a nuclear fuel industry. They dont need refueling once fitted.
The French did not deliver and they have no interest in the region south of the equator: the UK and US does.
You need to do some research.
the UK? you are killing me, they are nobody's, they dont know how to build submarines, the french do, they are followers, puppets
@@isabelleweller411 Wait till you see the British Dreadnoughts launch. Theyd eat those little French subs. I dont think you know much about shipbuilding.
@@crowbar9566 you must be English, you are too funny you are a small country not a superpower, wake up buddy and because of brexit you are going to be starving , shortage of everything good luck
@@isabelleweller411 we build our own subs. No shortages stop believing those lies
Anyone hungry for freedom fries? I am.
France has an friend in largest Democracy in Asia India for closer ties in economic and military expansion. India does not flip flop like Western allies.
The french are taking this far too personal, this has nothing to do with the french, it has to do with the Australians/British/Americans
if i steal your girlfriend from you and you start complaining, can i say: "you're taking it way too personal buddy, it has nothing to do with you, it's has to with me and her!" ?
@@motan7864 pls don't cheapen this event to a girlfriend.
God bless America and democracy and justice all around the world
From Sudan Africa 🌍
Morrison speak with fork tongue.Singh is all American presidents
If one were looking for a stalwart ally, France would
not be the first country to spring to mind.
Better to be a poodle than an ally then
This Steven old guy seemed to be clueless.
The rest of the EU members will be shocked and would not want to deal with Australia or US where possible. The trust is totally lost.
As an American, it makes no sense that France was cut off with this deal. And Australia, particularly, should have talked with France at some point.
They were talking for seven years. Before they gave in and went to someone more reliable.
France did everything wrong. Swiss also cut off a deal with them.
The Australian could have asked for nuclear technology. ..and the French have territories in the Pacific.
This sends a message that France products are less of a quality.
the subs weren't suitable.
Sub-par 😀