What I Really Think About Loyalty in BJJ (Comment Follow Up)
Вставка
- Опубліковано 11 гру 2024
- This video is a reply to the BJJ gym loyalty video I did last week.
Here is the original video: • Should You Be Loyal to...
I'm doing this video because I think I did a poor job of explaining myself in the previous video.
So in this follow up video I dive deeper into what I mean by BJJ gym loyalty and what I think loyalty really means.
In my eyes, it's often a conditional and reciprocal thing of mutual support. Not blindness that gives excessive power or trust to one side of it.
So I hope you enjoy the video and I hope that it makes better sense in the video.
-Chewy
-----------------
Free Ebook: www.chewjitsu.n...
Video Courses and Products: www.chewjitsu.n...
T shirts: www.chewjitsu.n...
/ chewjitsu
/ chewjitsu
/ chewjitsu
Intro/Outtro Music : bknapp.bandcam...
If you’d ever like to train with the team and I. Check out my gym Derby City MMA in Louisville,KY.
Man you are a informative uber driver
This 😂😂
Lmao
Ya you don't want to stiff him on the Bill
Awesome.
An*
You are an informative uber driver. Please read books. ❤️
Spot on Chewy. I left my gym after 12.5 years. All my promotions were there white to black. I decided to leave after my coach divorced and he moved away. I stuck around for a year or so but the loyalty was not reciprocating (just learned that word today). I was sticking around for my friends that i made there throughout the years. But then as I started getting treated bad and unfair by the one who took over that is when I decided that I have to do what's best for myself, my progress in Jiu-Jitsu, and my happiness. I go train to clear my head and leave in a Happy mood and it just was not happening anymore. I would leave from there still pissed off and tense. My new home is so different. It is full of happy vibes. As soon as you walk in you can feel the happy environment and everyone is super laid back and treat each other like family. Coach Victor doesn't see his students as customers either. Honestly though people that have been setting up now they literally just show up and walk in. There is not a whole lot of promoting that goes on because people just find out about him and they want to come and train with him. Loyalty does have to be mutual. If the instructor isn't treating you fairly then it's time to go. There is a huge difference between constructive criticism and destructive criticism. When things like that happen and you are a paying student then as a student YOU must see yourself as a customer and look for a new home
Well explained lad. The message in your previous video was clear as day and if someone was really listening then it wouldn’t need further elaboration.
Keep up the good work big man 🤙🏼
I thought so. But you never know. Thanks for the message.
Loyalty to the barber is a holy thing
Cheat on your spouse not your barber 😂🤣 totally kidding just a joke
Bruh you can't just be trusting your hairline to anybody
Lot’s of people make these videos while driving. Thank you for choosing to make this while you’re stationary. And thanks for the great content as always:)
Yu can't talk and drive?
FlashxSwazy I mean it’s pretty much Il fucking legal dumbass
Some people obviously don't understand the moderation that life requires. Everyone hold loyalties. Great video! Look forward to seeing you Tuesday!
I was very fortunate back in the day when I trained at an early Tracy's Karate. It was like a family, and we all trained hard together and prospered. Loyalty!
I started sport BJJ (Gracie Barra) knowing nothing about the differences in philosophies between that and traditional BJJ. After much research and increased understanding I was in a dilemma because I wanted traditional training. After weighing all the pros and cons of switching, being that the other gym was way out of my way and more expensive..it really came down to how I felt about the instruction I was currently getting and my sense of loyalty. I'm learning so much about the mechanics of grappling being that I've never been an athlete (I'm 34) that the instruction is still worth it to me. But it really came down to the feeling I have when I walk into the gym. The thought of leaving the great coaching staff and my training partners really sealed the decision for me to stay, at least for a few years. There is always something to learn so I may decide one day to make the switch but for now I feel I'm getting what I want out of it. I'm a naturally loyal person, also ex military, so that played a huge part in my decision. I know everyone isn't like that but I hear you on this.
The gym have bought my loyalty with their constant support, love and care. Therefore, when it came time to help them renovate the gym and/or do other menial tasks for them, I extended my hand out to them and simply asked them " what do you need help with?". To me this is showing my loyalty not only by paying but helping wherever I can
I've run into several instances of clubs frowning on my kids cross training at other gyms....... it always comes down to who's banner we are fighting under at tournaments.....and I understand that. But on a few occasions, we got some negative pressure from coaches and other parents. This even though we made it clear we were NOT changing banners for tournament purposes.
One of the best things we have done for my boys training was to cross train at other gyms, while keeping allegiance to our home gym.. their game has improved leaps and bounds compared to the other kids that train only at the one gym. I attribute the diversity in training partners, method and intensity to the boost in their development...... I find the kids can stay way more focused on their training if they work with people where they aren't good friends... Its weird, but honestly, it works.
Very intelligent 🤓 explanation!!! Quid Pro Quo - you both gotta get something out of it - people often think of unconditional loyalty when it’s actually conditional - thanks for clarifying that. I would add that your regular coach is going to know you better than a new coach you just met. That translates into monitoring your progress & letting you know what you’re doing well & what you need to work on - at least that’s my experience...
I know its a little course and crude and simplistic but I always liked the late Enzo Calzaghe's attitude of "my fighters have the freedom to fuck off" by that what he meant was boxers trained with him because they wanted to train with him, they stayed because they wanted to stay, if you want to go somewhere else do it. I'm loyal to you as long as you're wanting to keep the relationship with me, is basically what he was saying with that statement.
Spot on. This is exactly what it is. Your coach invests time and heart into you. Makes you a better version whatever that means for you. In return you stay loyal to your crew. If that balance get's disturbed and cant get fixed then move on.
It's all about loyalty brother. My coach put a lot of blood sweat and tears into me. I went From white to black belt under his flag and under his coach. I would never betray that. I have plenty of training partners in all our affiliated schools. At least I don't feel I need to jump around from school to school. If I wanna train with other people I just compete. Never apologize for being loyal that's integrity. I visit my coaches coach. It's cool to see shit like that. The lineage and the family connection. For me personally it's all about loyalty. You stick with your team through the good times and the bad times.
I'm in college right now and my professor has been really good to me. He's been letting me come in and train regularly and I try to get him a hundred bucks here and there whenever I get some money. And that really sums up the culture at the gym. You come in and its like a family. I honestly feel right at home when I'm there
I left my Krav Maga studio last month after three years of training. Over the last 4 months I’ve noticed how spoon-fed the curriculum was becoming and that students who had no business being promoted were showing up in the advanced classes. I wasn’t learning anything new. That sounds a bit arrogant to say, but it made me think about whether my own rank had been rightly awarded to me. Since I switched studios I’ve learned that there were many gaps in my training, and having my ass kicked by Level 2 students regularly has made me take on the more humble attitude of a student.
That's cause krav maga is bullshido
Keep it up man
Mama freethinker if you haven’t tried BJJ yet I highly recommend you do. I did Krav for 3 years and just changed to a bjj gym Krav Maga doesn’t have nearly enough grappling truly humbling and eye opening.
Robert Russo My new Krav studio offers BJJ in evenings after my normal class, but I’m usually so gassed by the end that I don’t have the energy to go.
Mama Freethinker
Curious have you done other martial arts?
I don’t think krav is bullshido as some suggest but one of the major flaws IMHO is not enough sparring(yes my gym sparred twice a week) and no competitions. So a lot of people could get promoted without sparring or going “live” very little.
Been going to the same hairdresser for 18 years and I'm 33.
Will go there till she dies.
Then never cut my hair again
Loyalty is the hardest thing to get and the easiest thing to lose.
Would you even keep going there til she dies if you die first? Cuz that's hardcore loyalty, man.
Would like to see you going to 10th planet jiu jitsu and vlog it
He had Brandon McCaghren of 10thP Decatur come and roll with he and his guys and they did a few videos together. It was good stuff!
Loyalty is trust and the most important thing in any type of relationship and it's the easiest thing to lose but the hardest to gain.
He made a video on gym loyalty and ends up with a knot on his forehead.
Hummm...🤔
I wonder if there is a link to his gym loyalty video.
😂😂😂
This is the best comment ever lol
Had it since I was born. It's in every video. :)
What's up with the Goose on your left eyebrow?
I agree completely about loyalty being a 2 way street. I started BJJ when it was in its infancy in the UK and my first coach (an accomplished Brazilian fighter) screwed me over, also my training partner and the club generally. He would leave us as blue belts to run his club for more than 6 months per year, and stalked off early at a tournament rather than coaching his students because he lost a fight. Then he stood in front of the entire team and said he was disbanding the club because apparently we didn't appreciate him as an instructor. Now I've been teaching BJJ for about 15 years and try to learn from that lesson by always giving as much as I can towards my students. Sometimes people make assumptions when they see a 'creonte' switching schools, but there are two sides to every story.
It's good to have a place where your buddies can tell you things like, "Geezus, that hematoma needs its own zip code."
this is why I like being part of an affiliation in BJJ because you can usually train for free at affiliated gyms and it's like home away from home
Questions: 1. I know being a black belt means you know your stuff but just because you're good at something doesnt mean you can teach. Have you ever ran into a situation when a guy is great at BJJ but not the best at teaching. Tends to get frustrated easily, sees you doing something wrong and ignores it, pays more attention to higher belts, etc. I feel like I learn so much more from his students that work for him. I stay after class for at least an hour because I want to learn but it's never the main teacher helping.
2. Do most gyms require you to wear their gear? I'm not saying letting you wear other gyms gear but just something neutral. My gym requires it for nogi and I feel like it's a bit much I mean I'm already paying $299 for a family plan. 80 for the nogi set for me and my child. 140 for his gi. I'm not well off like some others in my gym.
I find it kind of intense. No gi you should be able to wear wtv clothes you want.
Stoked that I’ll have a chance to do a drop in at your gym soon!
So true.
I tell people, if you're going to compete (assuming you don't), whose patch are you going to put on your gi?
I only have room for one school's patch.
Love, like loyalty, is conditional and reciprocal.
Out of frame: Chew is in a deathmatch against the wind here.
If someone takes time to build me up and help me get better, I don't forget that. Me and all my training partners and coaches have been together for 6 years, and shared real ups and downs. But that relationship doesn't exist without mutual respect and trust. Loyalty is definitely important, but it's also not unconditional.
Perhaps it is best to say that a good life requires real friends. And you don't get that without at least some sacrifice on both your part and theirs.
It's hard to find loyalty in mixed martial arts I've been in gyms where they said their brothers to the end and if you put them in a room right now they'll kill each other I've learned from a lot of people and I'm also learned from fighter at the end of the day it's a business like anything else you got to find the one that's right for you and where you fit in the experience I've had about gyms somebody's always want to take your spot and a lot of back step I could say I've had the honor and privilege of coaching some of the greatest fighters in the world kimbo slice Jorge masvidal Alex cazares level Martinez Efrain Ruiz is a BJJ black belt I've never hold any grudge with any of these men the only problem I've had where are the bosses they're all about the money and they don't care about the students they only care that their students are in the gym paying a $250 a month and being rich but that's life and I enjoyed every part of it I'm happy I have my own gym it's in a third world country where I'm my own boss I'm not a BJJ black belt I never will be because there's no point in it I just coach people that want to be champions and anyone that leaves my gym become the champion or they learn how to run their own business and be a great human being making zombie GAINZ!!!
There's no such thing in the modern era. you are providing a service, you're a business and the customer is always right.
I haven't found 1 "loyal" person in any gym ever.
I've imparted my culture onto my gym and they're allowed to train where they like and are always respectful.
Thats the most and all you should and can ask for.
I get why people can see this loyalty idea as violating the boundries of healthy free market logic, but I recon your message was more about when it is time to put in more than just market value to also get back more. I think it's an important distinction, especially for american mentality
I say if you can train where you learn with good people. For example BJJ is great on ground but sometimes depending on the coach might lack take downs. Supplement or cross train with sambo , judo .catch wrestling , I think it just makes you better.
Loyalty is a word that in Jiu Jitsu has more than one definition. As the case may be, everyone makes their value judgment. To mention a case: we have Keenan, the change of academies and was expelled a few days ago. Immediately theories emerged and what should be done with his career 🤦♂️
Just my 2 cents… when I first started Jiu Jitsu I didn’t know anything about competitive Bjj and all the top gyms and who the best were. About a year into Bjj I learned who was who. I was and still am a fan of atos and so I decided to leave gyms still as a white belt to join atos .. now the first gym was great. The professors and students were like family but at the end of the day, I wanted the best Jiu Jitsu my money could buy. So when we talk loyalty , there’s grey area there… we pay a service for training. It’s not free so are we wrong for wanting a better product? To add to that being a beginner we don’t know what gyms have the best product.. I want to train with the best… my 2 cents
What about when you want to train more than BJJ but you can't afford multiple memberships? I'm loyal to my gym because they took care of me when I first started through giving me student discounts, and I still love the coaches and the people I train with. However, I deeply want to expand my experience in different martial arts but as I am still a student and will be for a while I simply cannot afford multiple memberships. There is an MMA school close to my house which is cheaper and has so many more facilities and classes than what I have now, but I'm not a big fan of their BJJ (I did a trial) and the people aren't as friendly....I'm pretty stuck.
Recently I went to lunch with my coach, guys from the gym and some other guys visiting from out of town. True story, we were sitting at 3 separate tables, my coach, some brown belts and a world champion white belt were all sitting at a table that was one step above (height wise) the other tables. My coach made us move the other 2 tables in front of his table. We literally had to look up to him to speak.
Dave Brennan 🤣🤣🤣
I trained at a jiu-jitsu gym that was run like a cult. Now I train wherever I want. Your coach doesn't own you. It's healthy to get some rolls in with a variety of people and styles.
I got my first tournament in 2 weeks and I’m 5 months in white belt training about 4 days a week. I’m in love with Jiu jitsu, I’m literally addicted. I love everyone in my gym and they’re helping me train really hard for this tournament. However, I’m scared to disappoint my coach or anyone who comes out to watch me at the tournament. I got a lot of people in my life who want to or are coming out to watch me and as happy as I am, I’m nervous. Any tips?
Chewi I totally agree with you. I am also one of those guys who is loyal to his hairdresser)
This is a great video! Thanks for the follow up
I’m a white belt and have been training for about 6 months. I want to develop my guard game, but I don’t know where to start. Should I play around with different guards and see what I like, or develop one really strong type of guard?
What if i can only train say from 6pm to 7pm every weekday. But the gym i want to train at only has adult classes at 6pm to 7pm on tue.wed.thru. and then mon.fri. the only adult classes are like at 8pm and i can't make it. Should I then. If i wanted to. go to another gym that has those hours available for me to take class?
You can actually draw a comparison to relationships with this topic. Do you want to sleep around, but never get anything deep or meaningful, no one to support for you and care for you, and possibly get dibilitating diseases? Well, if you want to risk all of that for pleasure, go ahead.
It's the same with mentorship. Do you want good people around, a coach that's with you for years and supports you through your development? Do you want someone investing in you, promoting you? That seems reasonable, maybe show some loyalty to your dojo.
If you don't want those things, then yah go all over the place. NO ONE will care about you from a coach standpoint, and you'd be lucky to even be promoted somewhere.
This isn't to say NEVER train somewhere else, but it shouldn't be often. The only reasonable reasons to train somewhere else are training while out of the area, having an affiliate dojo where people cross-train, or preparing for competitions and/or testing yourself at other dojo's open mats once in a while. Maybe you don't like your dojo and are on a contract and are just riding it out.
But why would anyone just choose to train somewhere else for no reason aside from a narcissistic, rebel attitude toward tradition or the value of loyalty? No one will care about you or your development, and apparently you don't either unless you have a very low IQ and think dojo crawling is really the best way of getting better.
"So, how'd you get that bump?"
"I, uh, fell; yes, I fell down the stairs."
I don't believe in Gym loyalty at all, that said I go to "MY" Gym to get the class that my profesor gives and I value him, i am willing to pay they gym fees so that I can get his knowledge and expertise. it just so happens that there are other people that do the same as I do are quite cool and i like hanging around talking to them after class. it's not about gym loyalty and not so much about unbridled loyalty to my profesor, it's about where i am right now in BJJ and what i am enjoying about it. We as a group are all advancig together and getting better and it's like that that i think people call the family/brotherhood part, personally i'm enjoying it right now when/if that changes so might I.
It is a fini line between business and passion. If I feel more like a client/customer than a member of a community, I’ll just take my loyalty elsewhere along with my wallet.
Nice video as always!
I think the subjective nature of Jiu Jitsu makes it hard to progress when you move gyms to often. I also believe many instructors have gotten into the mindset that promotions are not just skill but time+skill at the gym. Just my opinion...the subjective nature and that no real standards exist and it is left up to the gyms higher belts to decide on a feeling. I liked your response but I have qualms with some of this stuff. IE...If your gym is not doing the right thing such as canceling classes, not keeping good communications, etc....and you call them out on it. Well due to the subjective nature you can essentially be blacklisted. So loyalty only goes so far.
What if its the same gym but in different places
Hi there Chewy. Would it be okay (allowed) if you trained in grappling socks when you have verrucas? Asking for a friend
Thanks
Great video by the way :)
Who else is looking at that Cyst growing on Chewy's dome and secretly thinking there will be a mash up of their two favorite You Tube Channels, "Chewjitsu" and " Dr Lee, Pimple Popper",,,,?
Well said...as usual
Loyalty gets you what? Jiu-Jitsu is a business now. If you like where you are at stay there. If you don't then move, but don't steal. Most of the gym jumpers just wanna take what they can get for free then move on to the next place and repeat.
How did you get that knot on your forehead?
And when I asked on the Q&A from instagram about mandatory endorsement, I was kind of coming from the same place.
I've paid for 2 of their Gi's (one quite the premium), tshirts, hats, I endorse the gym all the time. I even promote the business on social media because I really love going there, the whole 9 yards, but to require all students buy your patches and put them on a competition gi that doesn't have your endorsement... it looks insincere to me. It looks like a marketing ploy, and a sales tactic. It just feels funny to me.
I'm not a fan of it either. I sell custom gym stuff but I don't require it.
I had an issue where a few of my blue belts were teaching our moves to an MMA gym lead by a purple belt. I had issues with that because we were direct competitors. BJJ is my passion, but its also how i feed my family. Stay loyal and stay strong. There is a reason Coke doesn't share their recipe.
Even just as a financial thing, you pay your membership at one place, and then there is probably other gyms that will let you train for free whenever you want. And from a belt perspective, you're not going to get promoted if you don't have a home gym. Some gym you pay monthly here and there for or pay a mat fee for especially isn't likely to really promote you at all. Plus it's weird. Like, oh that's the guy that just bounces around. Well, most likely you're gonna be the practice dummy, especially if you don't learn that respect and how to check your ego like you do at that home gym that you grind at multiple times a week. It really sounds like a bad idea.
You aren’t learning from your barber but I get what you mean. Love your videos man
I miss the old music.
has anyone ever gone through your videos and counted how many you have that lump on your eyebrow in? asking for a friend.
Why do you have a circle above your left eyebrow
Follow the way, not the man
Uncle chael grew a beard?
Chewy is 100% correct!
Love the mouse!
I've got a home gym, I'll train as a guest at other gyms, I've left a gym, the only real solid loyalty I have, is to myself lol. I don't have a consistent team, I have training partners. I only have a team during competition, but it's still a solo styled team, I'm representing my gym, but I'm winning for only myself. Jiu Jitsu and Martial Arts in general are solo sports/ activities. Everything you're taught and that you learn are yours to do with whatever u wish.
Fair enough but I think you’re missing out a whole lot of unseen benefit that Jiu Jitsu can provide. The camaraderie, supporting teammates when they compete, making lifelong friends along the way. But I appreciate we all train for different reasons.
@@snakegaming3325 Well I mean those are two seperate subjects. One's Jiu Jitsu, the other's being in an overall sport/ activity. So technically, I'm not missing out on any benefits of Jiu Jitsu. Also my comment is just saying Jiu Jitsu and any martial art for that matter is yours to do with what you want. You do you and don't let people make you think it's gotta be a certain way.
anybody else notice the bump over his left eyebrow?
Wade Edwards it’s a cyst, he explained it in an older vid
Heather R why didn’t he have it in his last video?
He does have it in all the vids. Sometimes the lighting makes it look bigger and more pronounced. It’s above his Right eye n other vids. When he is n the car it flips the image to look left
Anybody wants a seminar I'm always open for bookings my style is zombie MMA once I train you you're never the same because you'll be infected 😉
It's a business transaction.
I am paying for a service. You/ the gym should act like professionals.
There is no loyalty issues here. It's a transaction.
If the gym wants exclusivity/ loyalty then, reward me.
I am having this problem. I train in 2 gyms to get more mat time that fits my schedule.
I am not getting any promotions soon ;) and the ones I got, are not acknowledged by one of the gyms.
Small market where I am so, kind of stuck.
Instead of acting like betrayed girlfriends, they should act like professionals.
Holy shit! You have a twin growing over your left eye.
Awesome video as always, but i couldn't help to be distracted by your horn :o
Lontra MMA
LoL! No kidding. All I could think about what how did that happen.
The point from your original video was very salient IMO. A coach could, quite understandably, sink more of a time investment into a student whose sole training experience was under their wing as opposed to being spread across multiple coaches. When a coach has a student all to themselves, the coach has the perspective of "this student is my project" as opposed to "this is a project that I contributed to, but am not solely responsible for". This isn't (or shouldn't be) controversial.
you are loyal or creonte
I dont believe in gym loyalty I think you should look for the best coaches and training partners possible
...And then be loyal to them.
A part of having the best coaches and training partner *for you* is the relationship that you have with them. Look, if you don't care about them, why the hell will they care about you? This is just basic interpersonal skills.
Bruh..... is that a hematoma? Da fuck?
Hes growing horns
Duuuude.... Is your head pregnant?!?
I was loyal to a small sandwich shop, supporting small independent shops. After going there for a year, I arrived 5 minutes before closing, and was told sorry, but they were closing. wtf? Never went back again. Now I'm loyal to Subway.
Don't go to restaurants 5 minutes before closing.
@@bondjames8225 i normally would not, but they knew me by name for a year, but guess I was just another customer. Their sandwiches were just ok, so maybe they did me a favor.
Chewy is growing a horn. Cool...
Maybe you and your girlfriend could show some loyalty by getting married. Time to put a ring on it, Chewy!
Haha! What