Should Christians Keep the Sabbath? - Doug Batchelor, Steve Gregg Sabbath Discussion
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It's an age old debate. Do Christians need to keep the Sabbath or is that only for Jewish people? Is Sunday the new Sabbath? What does the Bible say?
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SDA Protestant pastors don't want you to know this:
1. The Seventh Day Adventist Protestant denomination was not even thought of by a "man" in Battle Creek, MI until 1863AD, so how can there remotely be any claim back to Jesus Christ or outrageously "Genesis"??? The truth is the SDA Protestant denomination is just another "man made" division of 35,000 and growing divisions stemming from a 1500's "man" Martin Luther.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Seventh-day_Adventist_Church
2. SDA's don't want you to understand in the Book of Daniel it was referencing the Antiochus persecution of the Jews that is thoroughly corroborated in history and the Book of Maccabees. (Dan. 7:25/1 Maccabees 1:41-57, Daniel 9:27/1 Maccabees 1:20-22, Daniel 11:21-45/all of which Antiochus did historically, Daniel 12:6-7/Antiochus persecution lasted 1,335 days)
3. SDA's don't want you to understand in the Book of Revelation the "Beast" (Roman Empire) and the "Harlot" (Jews) have already teamed up to not only kill our Lord (John 19:15), but all the early Church Saints. And yes, the "Beast" (Roman Empire) did in fact "devour" the "Harlot" (Revelation 17:16) with utter destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD as Jesus Christ accurately predicted in Matthew 24:34 or within one "generation" (40 years) of His prophecy.
4. SDA's don't want you to understand the old covenant Jews never ever separated the 10 Commandments from all 613 Commandments:
www.jewfaq.org/m/613.htm
Per Jewish law and the Word of GOD
Galatians 5:3-4 ***"I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace."***
5. SDA don't want you to understand we get "born again" (John 3:5) through the NEW ADAM OF OBEDIENCE Jesus Christ (Romans 5:12-21, 6:3-13, 7:6, 8:2, 10:4, Galatians 2:19-20, 3:19-25, 4:19-31, 5:18) to live in the "Spirit of the Law" being the NEW COVENANT COMMANDMENT of "LOVE" (John 13:34, 15:12, 15:17, Romans 7:6, 8:2) or "Law of Christ" (1 Corinthians 9:21, Galatians 6:2) that fulfills ALL the old covenant laws (Romans 13:8, 10, Galatians 5:14) and we actually become part of the NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17, Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 6:15).
6. SDA'S don't want you to know about GOD'S promise to "end" all the old Jewish covenant "Harlot Sabbaths" per Hosea 2:11, Lamentations 2:6, 2:9, Luke 16:16, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 3:19-25, Hebrews 8:13.
And, what day all the Leviticus Chapter 23 "forever" feasts point to - being "the day after Sabbath" as the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19) fulfills all these old covenant "shadow" feasts (Hebrews 10:1) .
7. SDA'S don't want you to know about the NEW COVENANT PRIESTHOOD or Levi covenant promise (Jeremiah 33:14-22, Malachi 2:4-7, 3:3) where GOD said He would take in "some" Gentile "priests" fulfilling Isaiah 66:18-21 prophecy - necessitating a "change" in the law to allow "some" Gentile priests:
Hebrews 7:12 "For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well."
8. SDA's don't want you to know the power of being baptized through the NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21) Jesus Christ and how we are no longer "under" old covenant worship laws (Romans 6:14-15, 7:6, 7:10-11, 8:2, 10:4, 1 Corinthians 9:20-21, 2 Corinthians 3:3-11, 5:17, Galatians 3:19-25, 4:21-31, Hebrews 7:12, 8:13) and instead in a state of "GRACE" as long as we remain Holy.
9. SDA's don't want you to know that you can actually "FALL FROM GRACE" when you deliberately sin (Hebrews 10:26-27, 29).
How you will need the "power" the ONE MEDIATOR Jesus Christ gave to His ONE and ONLY established Church being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH per John 20:23 and Matthew 16:18 to be reconciled with GOD again - in order to be back in a state of "GRACE" or "SAVED" through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
10. SDA's don't want you to understand there is a NEW COMMAND in the NEW COVENANT (John 13:34, 15:12, 15:17) of "GRACE" (Romans 6:14-15, Galatians 5:18).
What does LOVE do??? (Romans 13:8, 10, Galatians 5:14). Ever wonder why the Ten Commandments were written on "two" tablets of stone??? 1. LOVE of GOD fulfills the first three commandments 2. LOVE of NEIGHBOR fulfills the remaining seven commandments. LOVE FULFILLS THE LAW and elevates the old covenant laws to perfection and serve as a reminder of what will happen if we are unloving and "FALL FROM GRACE" (Hebrews 10:29).
11. SDA's want you to believe "breaking bread" is just another Jewish meal instead of the transformation of the old covenant "forever" GOD commanded Passover (Exodus 12:14) into the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19). How we must eat the "Lamb of GOD" for "death to truly Passover" (John 6:4, 54-58).
1 Corinthians 10:16-17. All Catholics "participate in" the ONE SACRIFICE of Jesus Christ the "Lamb of God" and in consuming His ONE BODY (John 6:55) in the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" we truly "BECOME HIS ONE BODY", "the Church" a "Temple" holding the fulfilled forever liturgically commanded "Bread of the Presence" (Levicticus 24:5-9, Matthew 24:20):
www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html
May GOD open your eyes to these Biblical and historical truths that the ONE and ONLY established Church of Jesus Christ is and forever will be the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH (Matthew 16:18).
**GOD wants to be worshipped HIS WAY no longer in an old covenant Jewish way and definately not in 35,000 and growing Protestant "man made" Golden Calf ways.***
BIBLICAL “FOREVER” COMMANDS OF WORSHIP
Does your Church meet the “forever” historical link all the way back to Judaism when Jesus Christ died on the cross, and from that point on until this very day celebrate the fulfillment of these “forever” liturgical worship commands of GOD in their “perfected” NEW COVENANT FORM?
1. Passover Feast (Exodus 12:14, 24) Jesus during the “Last Supper” transformed the “forever” GOD commanded Passover by replacing the lamb with Himself in all the Gospel accounts. (Jesus is described as the “Lamb of GOD” in John 1:29, 1 Peter 1:19, and in 1 Corinthians 5:7 “Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us”) In the OT, everyone celebrating the Passover Feast was commanded by GOD to eat the meat of the lamb for death to “Passover”. Could a Hebrew or later practicing Jew only “symbolically” eat the lamb and obey GOD??? Jesus was being liturgically consistent with the original “forever” OT Passover commands to “eat the meat of the lamb” culminating in His “hard” teaching in John 6:53-54: “Truly, Truly, I say to you, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, YOU DO NOT HAVE LIFE IN YOU. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood HAS ETERNAL LIFE”. NEWPASSOVER(CCC#611,13391340) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/the_paschal_mystery_how_jesus_celebrated_fulfilled_the_passover
2. Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16:30-33) CC has the altar and gives out the atoning blood provided by the “eternal” High Priest Jesus fulfilling Leviticus 17:11 “For the LIFE OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD, and I HAVE GIVEN IT FOR YOU UPON THE ALTAR TO MAKE ATONEMENT FOR YOUR SOULS; for it is THE BLOOD THAT MAKES ATONEMENT, by REASON OF THE LIFE” (CCC 616,623) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/jesus_and_the_day_of_atonement
3. Tabernacle Feast (Leviticus 23:41-42) CC has the Tabernacle and fulfills this feast within the Mass. (CCC #1183,1090) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/tabernacles_old_testament_feast_and_eucharistic_fulfillment
4. Unleavened Bread Feast (Exodus 12:17) CC has “7 days” a week unleavened bread (CCC#1334) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/the_mystery_of_the_feast_of_unleavened_bread
5. Sanctuary Lamp (Exodus 27:20-21) CC has this burning constantly before the Tabernacle.
6. Tabernacle Candles (Leviticus 24:2-4) CC has special candles placed next to the Tabernacle as commanded (CCC #1154, 1189)
7. Tabernacle Bread of the Presence (Leviticus 24:5-9, Exodus 25:30) Jesus Christ becomes the true fulfilled “Bread of the Presence” during the Mass consecration. (CCC #1378)
8. Leviticus Priesthood (Exodus 29:7-9, Exodus 40:15, 1 Chronicles 23:13, *Numbers 25:12-13, *Jeremiah 33:14-22, *Isaiah 66:21, Malachi 2:4-7, Malachi 3:3) Jesus fulfills the Levi Covenant promise by ordaining and reconciling the 12 apostles (tribes) for priesthood in the Upper Room to “do this in remembrance of me” (CCC #611, 1337). Proof? John 13:1-20 Jesus prior to His passion washes and “purifies” the Apostles to prepare them for priestly altar work (fulfilling Malachi 3:3 and the “forever” priest washing in Exodus 30:21). Like OT “Forever” Feasts, a Leviticus form of priesthood has to preside at the altar of sacrifice, be washed, and ultimately has to abstain or be celibate to even touch the “Bread of the Presence” (CCC # 1541-2) Jesus is the “pure offering” presented by the priesthood through “daily” Mass across the world fulfilling Malachi 1:11 prophesy.
9. Priest Washing (Exodus 30:21) CC Priests complete a washing before consecration (CCC #1337)
10. Priestly Share (Numbers 18:22-23) CC Priests are the first partakers of the Holy Eucharist, and receive offerings to the Church (CCC #2043)
11. Animal Sacrifice (Leviticus 7:36-38; Deuteronomy 12:26-28, Exodus 29:42) Jesus is the described fulfillment “Lamb of GOD” (John 1:29 and 1 Corinthians 5:7) (CCC #608, 613)
12. Grain Offering (Leviticus 6:9-11; 23:13-14) CC has bread and wine offering from parishioners brought up to the priests and the altar. (CCC #1334, 1350)
13. Incense Burning (Exodus 30:8) CC Mass celebrate with incense on various occasions. (CCC #1154)
14. Sabbath - Mark 2:28, Matthew 12:8, Luke 6:5 “For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath”. The day our Risen Lord showed us what to do in Luke 24:13-35 and “how He was made known to them in the breaking of the bread”. The risen Jesus obeys His Heavenly Father's "perpetual" celebration command being on "the day after Sabbath" per Leviticus 23:11-14, Pentecost 15-21, and verse 39 Tabernacle Feast being the “First day” and “Eighth Day” which is one in the same SUNDAY or “First Day of the Week”. CC follows our Risen Lord’s lead with “breaking of bread” or celebrating the “forever” NEW COVENANT PASSOVER on Sundays. CC even fulfills Jesus’s “Our Father” prayer “give us this day our daily bread” (Jesus compared Himself to OT manna in John 6:31-35) by providing the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER “daily”.
The Hebrew word “olam” or English translations “forever, everlasting, or perpetual” was clearly understood by the Jewish people as they still are “forever” obeying GOD’s liturgical commands and celebrating a form of the original Passover, Unleavened Bread, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacle Feasts to this very day.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21) making us part of the NEW CREATION ( 2 CORINTHIANS 5:17, GALATIANS 6:15) to enter into the NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH of worship (Isaiah 66:18-23).NEW ADAM + NEW CREATION + NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH = NEW SABBATH (Pentecost is "forever" GOD commanded on what "day" in Leviticus 23:15 with a day of rest in verse 21??? Hebrews 4:7-9??? "HE AGAIN SETS A CERTAIN DAY ” AND “ GOD WOULD NOT SPEAK LATER OF ANOTHER DAY " ).
So, if the Church was "born" on Pentecost through the "same day" the NEW ADAM was resurrected on, then what "day" would we get "reborn" (John 3:5) on to "LIVE in the "Spirit of the law" (Romans 8:2) being LOVE (John 13:34) of the NEW COVENANT???
@@onetruefaith5750 You just don't know what you are talking about! Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man! There were no Jews or Gentiles when God implemented the Sabbath day. I want to debate you regarding the Sabbath.
@@OperationReapSinners777 ,
Sure.
JESUS CHRIST AS THE NEW MOSES
One cannot even remotely understand the NEW COVENANT without properly understanding the old covenant, i.e. all the other various covenants (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Mosaic, David, Levi), and all the covenant promises being “fulfilled” by Jesus Christ.
Are you aware Jesus was prophesized to be a NEW MOSES? Deuteronomy 18:18.
Leading a NEW EXODUS like Moses through “water (Baptism) and Spirit (Laying of Hands)” John 3:5 fulfilling Ezekiel 36:25-27 prophecy being “reborn” no longer liturgically bound by the old “written” covenant law (Baptism is per Romans 6:3-13 and explained in Romans 7:6)???
Establishing a NEW ISRAEL by choosing “12 Apostles” to represent the “12 Tribes” and gathering them all into the “NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH” where “ALL MANKIND” can come to worship Him (both Jew and Gentile alike) fulfilling Isaiah 66:22-23 prophecy???
Through Jesus Christ the NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-18) we become part of the NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15) as “adopted” sons and daughters of GOD (Galatians 4:4-7)???
How like Moses Jesus went up on a mountain and gave us NEW LAW in the NEW COVENANT that “fulfill” (Matthew 5:17, Romans 13:8, 10, Galatians 5:14), elevate and “perfect” the old covenant laws (Matthew 5:1-12 and especially John 13:34, 15:12, 15:17, 1 Corinthians 9:21, Galatians 6:2)???
Aware that Jesus Christ transformed the Exodus 12:14 “forever” GOD commanded passover in the upper Room in the “Last Supper” into the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19-20) replacing the lamb in all the Synoptic Gospel accounts (Matthew 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-24, Luke 22:19-20) with Himself by becoming the “Lamb of GOD” (John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:7, 1 Peter 1 :19) for “Death to Passover” (John 6:54)???
Giving us a NEW SABBATH as the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER "fulfills" all the Leviticus 23 "forever" GOD commanded Feasts that point to what "day" in Leviticus 23:11,15 and verse 21 "on the same day" with a “day of rest”, and verse 39??? Further, see “AGAIN HE SET A CERTAIN DAY” and “another day” per Hebrews 4:7-9 with what conclusion in verse 9???
Aware that Jesus gave us a NEW PRIESTHOOD as He fulfilled His Father’s “forever” WORD (Exodus 29:7-9, Exodus 40:15, 1 Chronicles 23:13), covenant promise to Levi (Numbers 25:12-13, Malachi 2:4-7), and NEW COVENANT PROMISE (Jeremiah 33:14-22) to take in some “Gentile” priests (Isaiah 66:21) so it will no longer be based on tribal lineage??? Are you aware an old covenant Jew could not go directly to GOD to receive His forgiveness for his personal sins??? Leviticus 5:5-6 and Numbers 5:5-9. The same is true in the NEW COVENANT as the ONE MEDIATOR gave what “power” to His Church in Matthew 16:19, 18:18 and specifically stated to newly certain ordained “men” in John 20:21-23???
Aware Jesus Christ gave His very self to us as the NEW MANNA in the Holy Eucharist (John 6:31-35) to sustain us until we reach the NEW PROMISED LAND (Heaven)???
Doubts about the “real presence” of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist??? If the old covenant is a mere “shadow” of the revelation in Jesus Christ (Hebrews 10:1), then what do you believe the “forever” liturgically GOD commanded “Bread of the Presence” (Exodus 25:30, Leviticus 24:5-9) becomes in the NEW COVENANT???
@@OperationReapSinners777 ,
This one keeps getting deleted by SDA false teachers and followers. I wonder why??? Just in case there was any confusion over the NEW MOSES post.
The Catholic Church "SUPPORTS ALL COMMANDMENTS"!!! AGAIN, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SUPPORTS ALL COMMANDMENTS OF GOD!!!
***There are two stages (old covenant laws and NEW COVENANT COMMANDMENT) or two steps to GOD’S REVEALED LAWS.****
The 10 Commandments are the "forever" immutable and immovable first step of GOD'S LAW. It will "forever" be convicting the WORLD of the need for the "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ to be "forgiven" or "released" through Baptism (Romans 6:3-13) into "NEW LIFE OF THE SPIRIT" (Romans 7:6, 8:2) to live in the "Spirit of the Law" which is LOVE (John 13:34) of the "second step" of revealed Law towards Heaven.
NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH (Isaiah 66:18-23), NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15), NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21, 1 Corinthians 15:22, 15:45), NEW STAGE, NEW STEP, NEW COMMANDMENT IN THE NEW COVENANT IS LOVE (John 13:34, 15:12, 15:17) = NEW SABBATH (Hebrews 4:7-9).
Additionally, the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19) “fulfills” all of the “forever” Leviticus Chapter 23 Feasts that are commanded on what “day” per Leviticus 23:11-14, 15-21, and verse 39 with a commanded “day of rest”??? All the Feast dates you say??? Moot point as the Catholic Church celebrates the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER “daily” as Jesus Christ compared Himself to the old covenant “manna” that came down “daily” per John 6:31-35.
Now back to the Laws, as a NEW COVENANT CHRISTIAN (Catholic) not only can I still break the old laws of the immovable and immutable first step or stage of law, but the second step or second stage of revealed LAW refusing to LOVE as Jesus Christ commands (John 13:34).
***I can commit sins of "commission" by "morally" breaking the old covenant laws (10 Commandments) and sins of "omission" not LOVING AS CHRIST DID.****
What "fulfilled" means is I am no longer "liturgically" bound to worship by the old covenant (Hebrews 8:13) through Jesus Christ's "sacrifice", but still "morally" REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AS IT IS THE FIRST STAGE OF GOD'S LAWS THAT ARE "FOREVER" IMMUTABLE AND IMMOVABLE LAWS.
Do you understand??? I am to "die" to my old "fleshly" sinful self to be "born again" and "LIVE IN THE SPIRIT". John 3:3-6. Verse 6 "THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE FLESH IS FLESH, THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT".
If I don't choose to "LIVE IN THE SPIRIT" of the Law of the second step up, then what does Romans 8:13 say about that specifically or Hebrews 10:26 what happens to Jesus Christ's "sacrifice" if I “deliberately sin”???
Welcome to Matthew 5:17 paraphrase "I DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH, BUT FULFILL" which means to elevate and "perfect" the old laws or first stage of revealed law. Sin???
ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS WILL BREAK YOURSELF AGAINST THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IF YOU FALL BACKWARDS INTO SIN AND HIT THAT “FIRST STEP” OF REVEALED LAW AND “MUCH WORSE” PER HEBREWS 10:29.
Ultimately, in the NEW COVEANNT we have a NEW ADAM (Jesus Christ), NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH (Catholic Church where “all mankind” both Jew and Gentile alike can worship Him), NEW CREATION, NEW LAW = NEW SABBATH!!!
Ever since I started keeping Sabbath. I don't get wore out, no stress, dont get sick and closer to God. And I'm a roofer.
AMEN BROTHER I ALSO AM A ROOFER
No one would argue taking a day off is good for your health. Or that spending good quality time with God is good for your spiritual health.
The fact is, though, that it does not have to be the 7th day of the week.
@@beckyfrechette4439 that is something you are saying which makes opinion and not fact.
Sir Nunez No the Bible makes that pretty clear.
Yes very intresting subject , both good arguments ! Should I keep the Sabbath ? Maybe ? Will ask in prayer .
This is how debates should be done. No screaming and over talking each other.
Where can I read an original copy?
@@geelamar3542 lolololol nicely put
God please continue to bless and protect Pastor Doug abundantly. Thank you for giving him to the world at this critical time.
By the title, only my answer is YES... because if Jesus taught us about the Sabbath, and He is the Lord of the Sabbath, and He is my Lord that never changes, SO CLEAR TO ME, I pray you get it too. 🙏😌💕
We don't keep the 10 commandments for righteousness, we keep it because we love Jesus!
Robt Clayton ye are of the Devil your father.
The Devil is the one that accuses.
Robt Clayton Jesus said, "not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven"
You can try to condemn me to hell, but it's too late, my name is written in the Lambs book of life, and I belong to Jesus because I follow Him.
ksilas78 so is my name written just ignore him ksails
Robt, listen to Dale talk and my answer is there. There is another definition of sin in the bible. ua-cam.com/video/w0L3rSSL_H8/v-deo.html
Both men had great answers, but when in doubt; play it on the safe side. I will honor the sabbath for the rest of my life!
Amen!
@@awesomecatvideos4723 If you know the Bible you would know there is therefore no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus , keeping sabbath will not.get you on the safe side .
@@dwayneoneil689 Doug said more than 3 times its not for his salvation but because he loves God and keeps his commandments.
@@csabraxas But Doug say one thing and believe another, the Bible say the just shall live by faith.not by trying to keep law.
@@dwayneoneil689 Yes, the just shall live by faith, but where does it say that we have no kind of obligation to keep the law? It is not because we can work our way to righteousness that we keep the law. It is because Jesus told us:
John 14:15-17 If ye love me, keep my commandments. (16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Jesus and the Father are one (united in nature, purpose and character under the Godhead):
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Luke 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
John 10:36-38 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (37) If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. (38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
John 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. (50) And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
John 14:6-7 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (7) If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Jesus kept all His Father's Commandments. He never spoke a word that was not from the Father and always did the things that pleased him. He did as we should do, that we should fully depend on Him to keep the commandments just as He fully depended on His Father to keep the commandments. We keep them out of love:
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
1 John 5:1-4 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. (2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. (3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (4) For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
We are to walk as Jesus walked:
(1 John 2:3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(1 John 2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
(1 John 2:5) But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
(1 John 2:6) He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
At the same time, there are references to the remnant people of God at the end of time keeping them:
(Revelation 12:17) And the dragon (devil) was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
(Revelation 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The Faith of Jesus and the commandments of God are especially connected to one another.
Remember that Jesus is the same today yesterday and forever:
(Hebrews 13:7) Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
(Hebrews 13:8) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(Malachi 3:6) For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
(1 John 1:5) This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
James 1:13-17 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: (14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. (15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. (16) Do not err, my beloved brethren. (17) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
It would be strangely contradictory if Jesus could decide to disobey his own ten commandments that He wrote with His finger. Jesus is the I AM of the old testament:
Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:57-58 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? (58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (and proceeded to attempt to stone Him for saying He was God)
Even in the genesis account of Eden, they have not seen the Father at any time:
(John 6:46) Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Jesus is the one who instigated the writing of the ten commandments on mount Sinai. It is how we have the English expression, 'it is written (or set) in stone.' Which means that it is not to change at any time. These are commandments of Love.
GOD NEVER CHANGES.
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IS HIS CHARACTER!!!!
Do I have freedom in USA worship on Sunday?? Yes or no!
Adventists and Judaizers are lawless transgressors of the new covenant law and here is definite proof:
Romans 7:6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by.
Hebrews 7: 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
=> New Covenant believers have died to the Mosaic law and are under a new law now.
Let´s find out about this new law.
Colossians 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering
=> In the new covenant it is not about outward things like diet or special days, but about love and holiness. Thus, under the new covenant, SDAs and Judaizers are counted as lawless, transgressors of the law and disobedient.
Thank you Pastor Doug: you actually nailed it couldn't be said in any other way. I had the Spirit of God talking through you God bless you l am a seventh-day adventist since 1981 and am not going back
Ironic. Everyone forgets the only commandment that begins with “remember.”
@Mike Flanagan What are you even talking about? seriously? The only thing i agree on is i have no clue of what you speak of. Adventists believe in Jesus Christ, you're making it sound like we don't and are stuck on the old testament. We read the bible as we would any other book in existence from start to finish, which includes the new covenant. So i really don't understand how you interpreted 7th day Adventist believe they're without sin or we congratulate ourselves pridefully. I keep the 7th day holy for the same reason i don't commit murder, because it is a law from God and he stated in Luke 16:17 ESV - "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void." So we do believe in Jesus and we do believe the ONLY way to be saved is through God's grace through Jesus Christ, not by avoiding sin.
@Mike Flanagan So you're saying if we cannot keep the commandments then let's not? As in if i want to cheat on my wife and then murder her it's okay? because i am a sinner anyways?
It seems like you're missing the tie. We do believe we are sinner. We do believe not following the law is death! BUT you're missing the point where we believe Jesus died on the cross to gift us God's grace to escape what we deserve, which is death.
@Mike Flanagan Yah I agree with what you said.. I still follow the law out of love to the best of my ability. I don't do it to be saved.
@Mike Flanagan Our profit is Jesus, I follow the law because as humans we just make up our own law which we can mistake for good. If you do not want to follow God's law i can't force you. I do walk with the Holy Spirit which keeps me away from sin. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance" Yeah i agree, you can't have those things without the law. You can't kill someone have have peace, or use God's name in vain and have faith.
The Catholics admit openly that Saturday is the Sabbath and that the openly changed the law.
theresa flynn In christian concern and love, I need to ask, why are you so gullible in believing the Roman Catholic Church changed the sabbath to sunday? Why why why!? Why would you believe any thing that comes from Roman Catholicism as a truth. Just because they make a 'truth' claim doesn't make it 'truth'. The RCC are 100% false in claiming they changed the sabbath to sunday. Sunday was used by christians before the RCC was even officially a organization. Search the truth in this matter.
Even early 2nd century writings of christians state that the sabbath was the seventh day while the Lord's Day is sunday, with the resurrection being the motive for it's (1st day of the week) use. It's soooo easy today to find this information. These 2nd century documentation refutes the Roman Catholic Church in this matter. Don't believe them!
They changed no law. There is no law that says what day you must worship. In fact, you mean you can't or won't worship on any day but Saturday? Man you must be quite angry on the other days. And Islam? They worship on Friday. They consider saturday to be the first day of the week...or do you just despise catholics? The pope never ruled the world. In fact, the pope has zero influence in the world. India, china, all muslim countries...could give a rat's behind about the pope. But we fall over a man like he's special. 80% of the world could care less....and china has banned the pope. Yes... BANNED the pope. Why are adventists so ripe for decpetion? Oh yeah. They were deceived in 1843-1844 THREE TIMES! They have a lousy track track record. At one time, the adventist church did not believe in the Trinity. So? Does that make the adventist church today evil? Judge no one so you yourself will not be judged. The adventist church has a TON of baggage. the-undercover-adventist.blogspot.com/2016/08/will-adventists-ever-publish-sabbath.html
theresa flynn ua-cam.com/video/CrB21mc2fmI/v-deo.html here is the link where catholic admitted the change
NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE 10 COMMANDMENT NOT EVEN CATHOLIC CHURCH PERIOD.
The catholics are the ones who are going to force worship,
This would've been a short debate if Doug had read the Catholic catechism where they claim authority for changing the day from seventh to first.
The sabbath was for the Jews!👏👍😊
I liked the debate between Doug Batchelor and Steve Gregg. Both were very passionate in their beliefs and presentations. I will continue to seek out what is required of me from the Lord, through prayer. As for now, I will rest from working on the Sabbath, and worship Jesus on Sunday as this is familiar to me. I come from a Southern Baptist tradition, however, I see that the Sabbath is on Saturday, not Sunday. I do work alternating weekends as an hospital employee and have no choice but to work on Friday nights/Saturday mornings at least twice a month. Otherwise, I don't do house work or yard work on the Sabbath. I listen to Doug Batchelor on Sunday mornings followed by David Jeremiah, then I attend different churches for fellowship. So, whether or not I am judged least or great in the kingdom of God, I am glad I belong to Jesus. I will do my best to keep his commandments out of love and not salvation (works), for it is my belief that I am saved by his Grace alone. My faith will always be in Jesus. Still a work in progress as their is much for me to yet learn.
Amen praise God! Seek first his kingdom ❤ Godbless
No where in the word of God says to keep sunday holy, it was established as the mark of the papal authority as they claim themselves. It will be the mark of the beast power when established and enforced by law. Look up the sunday blue laws and see for yourself. The sabbath was made holy, not the first day. Dont let traditions of man take your crown, be faithful to God only. You have been given the light on this subject, make a stand for God because sunday is satans counterfiet sabbath and if you found counterfiet money in your wallet and recognized it you would toss it in the trash. Satan wants people to keep sunday because they then break GODS commandment and the bible says if you break one , you have broken them all. Sitting on the fence is like the bible verse saying God wants us iether hot or cold otherwise he will spew us out of his mouth. I hope you make the right choice and out of love for God, obey him.
I do corporate worship on Friday nights not by religious rule. Spend a good portion of Saturday doing personal study and Sunday free to visit with other believers. I find there is much more learning from scripture and daily applications with the Sunday churches. Sda is just the same Ole stuff without life in it. Ellen white a false prophet is in every word they preach. Get the sabbath school quarterly and you will see it if you know any Bible at all.
Steve Gregg fell short
Too bad Doug won't discuss with pastor Elce Thunder
It’s clear that we are to keep the Sabbath, just as we are to keep the other 9 commandments.
THE NINE "MORAL" COMMANDS OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE REITERATED in the New Testament:
1). To worship the Lord God only (1st commandment): no less than 50 times
2). Idolatry (2nd commandment): condemned 12 times
3). Profanity (3rd commandment): condemned 4 times
4). Honoring parents (5th commandment) is taught 6 times
5). Murder (6th commandment) condemned 6 times
6). Adultery (7th commandment) condemned 12 times
7). Theft (8th commandment) condemned 4 times
8 ). False Witness (9th commandment) condemned 4 times
9). Covetousness (10th commandment) condemned 9 times
* see references here *
Why is it that the duty to keep the Seventh day as Sabbath is not mentioned ONCE in the New Testament?
Amen 🕊🧎🏼♀️
SDA'S don't keep the 10 commandments . SDA hospitals have been in the abortion business for 50 years . Their hospitals perform abortions for any reason . What about the commandment thou shall not kill'? Jeremiah 1:5 God said I knew you when I formed you in the womb and sanctified thee . God created those babies and SDA doctors and nurses murder them for money . Proverbs 6:16, 17 God hates hands that shed innocent blood . SDA is the only religious group that practice this wickedness . Very strange for a people that claim to obey the 10 commandments !
Mic drop
No, it is not clear ! ... Don't ever say that, Mommy. That's a misleading statement. There is no commandment from Christ in all of the 4 gospels that His followers MUST KEEP the Sabbath. And if you look at the rest of the New Testament, you will find no mandate from the Apostles either. 🤷🏾
lets all pray for the HOLY SPIRIT to come upon us as we seek truth and do not be critical of each other amen
Amen, brother
Gordon Annison we shou'd be critica' since we are discussing truth!most of the new testament is the disciples being critical about churches going astray
Robt Clayton the "seal of salvation" doesnt mean that only perfect people do it... after all, the jews were not perfect. Any christian would tell you that we all are sinners
Robt Clayton this response is just scoffing & mockery and not an intelligent one.
Let us speak His Truth in Love and his Spirit to guide us into all Truth. Jesus said I am the way the Truth and the light No one comes to the father but through me.
Thank you pr. Doug God bless you!
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I was one of the best debates I've ever heard and I will give much thought and prayer to both
God said remember the sabbath day,to keep it holy so i obey God's law
Are you an Israelite?
@@Latiumvox Are you an Israelite?
@@UnitedThrive I'm kinda having second thoughts on this, so I will have to study in regard of keeping or not the Sabbath.. Apparently is also found in the new testament.. Further investigation is required
Whom God said this? People of Norway?
@@Latiumvox ask a Jew. There's not such thing as ceremonial law and moral law. The law ist the law. Jesus + the Law? NO! Jesus is enough. Don't fall from Grace.
Hello I enjoyed Steve and Doug. If God said it then, am keeping the Sabbath. Amen and may God bless you. Please have a blessed day.
Lolita St. Clair, No, God certainly didn't say in the new covenant that Christian must keep the Sabbath but God commanded the nation of Israel to keep the Sabbath (Due5:1). But there is not a verse in the new covenant that God commanded christians to keep it unless you can come up with a verse for me. Thank you.
@Mike Flanagan that is only SDA's doctrine but it is not affirmed by the bible. So come up with verses of scripture to backup your claim Thank you
@Mike Flanagan where are they? can I have it please?
Thanks for inquiring. The following is not my testimony.
According to someone's testimony, they saw prophetess Ellen White in hell. Jesus said she is in this place for inventing heresies. She prophesied lies and still had connections with the Satanists who helped her Ministry grow. She also taught her members to keep the Sabbath stepping on my grace. Whoever wants to live in the law will have to never sinned. Whoever chooses to live in the law will have to save himself from it without committing any sin like Me. All the sects that reject my grace stare down the contract of the New Covenant. Whoever lives in the contract of the Old Covenant will be cursed and go to hell.
Jesus said, this woman Ellen White lied saying, there is no hell. She taught people hell does not exist but when she died she landed in hell. Now she is in it and I saw how the demons tormented that woman. The more souls went down to hell because of her teaching, the more she was tormented. From the foundation of her sect until now, millions of souls are now going to hell. Jesus said, testify most of its souls may come to salvation and ascend into heaven.
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Thanks for inquiring. The following is not my testimony.
According to someone's testimony, they saw prophetess Ellen White in hell. Jesus said she is in this place for inventing heresies. She prophesied lies and still had connections with the Satanists who helped her Ministry grow. She also taught her members to keep the Sabbath stepping on my grace. Whoever wants to live in the law will have to never sinned. Whoever chooses to live in the law will have to save himself from it without committing any sin like Me. All the sects that reject my grace stare down the contract of the New Covenant. Whoever lives in the contract of the Old Covenant will be cursed and go to hell.
Jesus said, this woman Ellen White lied saying, there is no hell. She taught people hell does not exist but when she died she landed in hell. Now she is in it and I saw how the demons tormented that woman. The more souls went down to hell because of her teaching, the more she was tormented. From the foundation of her sect until now, millions of souls are now going to hell. Jesus said, testify most of its souls may come to salvation and ascend into heaven.
He said He came not to abolish the law but to fullfill it.
So he fulfilled it so that we are under the law but under Him
@@israelisthechosen Hi Israel., Jesus is the end of the law. Not ending the law. The end the purpose of the law is Jesus. Him fullfilling the law does not mean you are now free to break it as you wish. And yet when you know sanctification by faith, that Jesus stands guarantor as His righteousness gets imparted and imputed to you.
Convicted to honor His Holy Ten Commandments.😇 God bless you.
Do people have rights & freedom in USA worship on Sunday?
What happened to the other commandments?
Adventists and Judaizers are lawless transgressors of the new covenant law and here is definite proof:
Romans 7:6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by.
Hebrews 7: 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
=> New Covenant believers have died to the Mosaic law and are under a new law now.
Let´s find out about this new law.
Colossians 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering
=> In the new covenant it is not about outward things like diet or special days, but about love and holiness. Thus, under the new covenant, SDAs and Judaizers are counted as lawless, transgressors of the law and disobedient.
This was very good. I am so glad that God didn't leave us in the dark about this. Very clear about what we should do. Pray and seek God's wisdom.
Saints are people who keep the commandments. Revelation 14:12
@Judas Messiah
Removed ??
My favorite thing about Doug is he never enters a conversation trying to prove himself. He gives the facts in a calm and dignified matter. No bible thumping or painting the opposition in a bad light. This alone can encourage trust in his position, but he brings the Bible to the forefront and any intellectually honest human being can see, that no where in the Bible is Sunday a holy day. No where. The only day that God called His own is the 7th day.
Sunday worshippers will fight tooth and nail to preserve Sunday worship, but why wont they fight hard to keep the biblical Sabbath? It's because it would require them to abandon their traditions and for some, that is a huge sacrifice.
I pray that everyone will be willing to sacrifice their own way to follow God's way.
He did do very well
Amen!!
Jesus the Christ is the new covenant
We have the Holy Spirit
But that doesn't mean that the seventh day is nullified
The problem with Doug's teachings is he is heavily influenced by EGW and if he didn't have EGW he wouldn't have anything. He needs to debate someone like myles Christian that knows EGW.
You said Sunday worshipers! How condescending that statement is. Worship on the day that the 12 apostles worshipped on.
I’m so glad to see two of my favorites, in a respectful forum, and on such an interesting topic.
Thank you
Kind of funny when people quote epistles and books written by Paul when they say "We don't need to keep the Sabbath." Except Paul was a Sabbath keeper.
Although the apostle Paul may have observed the Sabbath, he would have been against Doug Baxter for teaching it as a requirement under the New Covenant. He would debate against Doug Baxter just as he did with individuals like him in the first century who were trying to oblige Christians to keep the Law. Galatians Chapters 3 to 5 is a CLEAR instruction against teaching keeping the Law to be justified. Any who attempt to be justified by the Law, Paul teaches, is fallen from grace and Christ is of none effect. They reject the grace of Christ and instead attempt to be justified by the Law which condemns them, because none keep it perfectly (as ONLY Christ did).
"For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 *Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.* 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. 7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you." --Galatians 5
*"If ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law."* -- Galatians 5
Those teaching justification under the Law are CLEARLY NOT being led by the Spirit to do so. The apostle Paul DID NOT teach justification by the Law. He taught justification by FAITH.
A person my keep anything taught under the Law. God's Law is good. But to teach God's Mosiac Law to be justified by God as if God requires it for Christians in Christ.. is WRONG and FALSE.
@@knowledgeispower2787 Mat 19:16-17 Someone came to Jesus with this question: “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?”
“Why ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. But to answer your question-if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments.”
@@ivanmarkpadilla4810 Mat 19: 20-26 "The young man said to him, *“All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 *When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.*
"And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” 25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
*What did the man who kept the commandments of the Law lack to receive eternal life?*
@@knowledgeispower2787 The point is we still have to keep the Commandments, yea it does not end there but still we need to keep it.
@@ivanmarkpadilla4810 The man in Matthew 19 who had kept the Law was not justified by it, and he realized that he was still lacking something. So he asked Jesus what was he still lacking? Jesus revealed that the man was not justified by the Law and was lacking FAITH in God which would have enabled him to sell all he had and give to the poor. Think about it. God (the Word) Jesus Christ gave the man a command to sell all he had and give to the poor so that he would have treasure in heaven. But the man went away sorrowful apparently unwilling to obey that command. *So, I stress, although he kept the Law, he was unjustified before God.*
Why? Because the Law is not of faith, as the apostle Paul explains in Galatians 3:12. So, a person can keep the Mosiac Law (albeit imperfectly) and still lack faith in God, which is what justifies a person. *Faith along with works of faith is what justifies a person before God; not the Mosiac Law.(James 2:18-26)*
"But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 *You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;* 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God. 24 *You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.* 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead."
I find it interesting that Steve says he keeps the Sabbath seven days a week (every day) and yet he disagrees with keeping the Sabbath once a week, on the Seventh day, because the Law has been abolished. So it's legalism to worship God on the day He asked to be a special day, but okay to do it 7 days a week? He's doing what he claims shouldn't be done, 7 days a week! And if he's keeping the Sabbath all week, when does he work? Very inconsistent.
Because he understands that the rest is spiritual. Hebrews 4 is talking about the spiritual rest, a rest for our souls as Jesus said matthew 11:29, not our body, jesus is the sabbath, the ultimate jubilee,. They did not enter into that spiritual rest , they didn't believe in Jesus or had faith and God swore that they won't enter in. Isaiah 28:10-13 prophecies of Jesus being the rest that was to come. He also prophesied that 'from' one sabbath to another, we will worship him, not 'on' one sabbath to another , that means all the days in between, When God commands us to keep the sabbath holy. He is referring to resting in him. Matthew 11:28-30. It's not about gathering for worship on a specific day. Yes that was their tradition/custom but it is not desobideint to gather on different days, because then then the apostles wouldn't have done it. Act 2:46. Luke 19:47. Mark 14:49. Luke 24:53
@@MD-vz9ec keeping Sabbath doesn't mean we should be holy on that specific day and can be unholy in the other days
M D lol you said it yourself spiritual rest on Sabbath but don’t want to honour the Sabbath GOD said it’s physical and spiritual rest a HOLY convocation stop trying to twist GOD’s word...
@@misred28 if you look at the hebrew meaning for convocation you will realise it means dressed rehersal, a holy day to blow the trumpets, it points to the coming of Jesus, today modern english has changed, and the meaning in english in a sacred assembly or gathering, but thats not what it meant back then, check the hebrew word and confrim it yourself, the definition of the sabbath is in gen 2, "and He ended his work on the seventh day and rested" thats it, ending your work and resting, not a day of worship, its about ending your work and resting, do you work? ...if so then that makes you an hyproctite.
anyways, because of what Jesus did, i can worship him any day, all the days of my life, Luke 1:75
M D yes it’s a form of worship stop twisting we can worship Him everyday but He commanded us to keep the Sabbath HOLY even in the new heaven and new earth the saints will worship GOD from Sabbath to Sabbath Isa. 66:23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.
Whatever you say brother steve, i still keep the sabbath until Jesus come,i honor you Pastor Doug,your ans.are all right,may those watching this debate will follow the right sabbath of the Lord,
Amen!
I have never been more proud of Pastor Doug. Thank God for the Adventist message. May He keep us humble and loving. Knowledge makes one proud but love edifies.
God is not Adventist that's man tradition Gid said to be holy gods religion is holiness not Adventist or pentecostal of jehaivah witness
You need to thank God for the message of Christ and not the Adventist message.
Thank goodness no mention of white..
What is Adventist...
@@kennethbailey5643 quote---You need to thank God for the message of Christ and not the Adventist message--unquote
THAT IS AN OIPINION which NO ONE cares about!!
QUOTE the Bible!!
It is plain to see from the word of God that the Sabbath is to be kept. Even after Christ left the earth his disciples were still keeping the Sabbath. How can it be done away with when it was kept all through the Bible from Old Testament to New Testament. Even in heaven we will be keeping the Sabbath.
Yes my point kahlekahle .....they still worshipped on the Sabbath even Paul who came in later in the ministry worshipped on the Sabbath....the best thing is to read the bible myself and do what it says
Steve Gregg opening 4:01
Doug Batchelor opening 24:31
Steve Gregg response 44:30
Dough Batchelor response 54:59
Q&A 1:04:23
They had a Church meeting here about the new gentiles coming into the church.
Acts 15:23-24
[23]And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
[24]Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Doug Bachelor, I wish I knew the scriptures like you. Its so clear when you speak.
The Lord said Keep it Holy. That's enough for me. Simple.
Amen to that
Exactly 💯
Everyday he’s Holy.
Love this response!
Adventists and Judaizers are lawless transgressors of the new covenant law and here is definite proof:
Romans 7:6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by.
Hebrews 7: 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
=> New Covenant believers have died to the Mosaic law and are under a new law now.
Let´s find out about this new law.
Colossians 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering
=> In the new covenant it is not about outward things like diet or special days, but about love and holiness. Thus, under the new covenant, SDAs and Judaizers are counted as lawless, transgressors of the law and disobedient.
I pray that pastor Doug remain faithful to God
Out-of-doors With the Children-The parents may take their children outdoors to view God in nature. They can be pointed to the blooming flowers and the opening buds, the lofty trees and beautiful spires of grass, and taught that God made all these in six days and rested on the seventh day and hallowed it. Thus the parents may bind up their lessons of instruction to their children, so that when these children look upon the things of nature, they will call to mind the great Creator of them all. Their thoughts will be carried up to nature's God-back to the creation of our world, when the foundation of the Sabbath was laid, and all the sons of God shouted for joy. Such are the lessons to be impressed on the minds of our children. CG 533.3
We are not to teach our children that they must not be happy on the Sabbath, that it is wrong to walk out-of-doors. Oh, no. Christ led His disciples out by the lakeside on the Sabbath day and taught them. His sermons on the Sabbath were not always preached within enclosed walls.21
Mike Flanagan you have chosen a portion of writing from Ellen White and have placed a spin to what YOU believe is right and wrong. You make it out to be so sad and untruthful. Your perception is of many. It is up to you to want to understand.
I believe it’s well written and kind. Keeping an eye and setting an example and bringing your children closer to the Lord every Sabbath is beautiful and quite understanding.
@Mike Flanagan how blind you are
Amén
Great teaching. I now understand what it means that I have entered God's Sabbath rest. Everyday is a day dedicated to God, everyday He lightens my burdon and not just one day of the week. Jesus is the fullfillment and I am now in God's eternal rest. WOW!! THANK YOU JESUS!
The Sabbath that remains in Hebrews
Hebrews 4:9-10 “There remains, then, a Sabbath - rest (Gk : Sabbatismos) for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest {i.e. salvation} ALSO rests from his own work, just as God did from His.” Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest {salvation}, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.” (NIV)
The Greek word translated Sabbath-rest is Sabbatismos and it refers to a physical keeping of the Sabbath. So that if a person accepts salvation thus entering into God’s salvation rest, they will ALSO rest from their works just as God did from his. And how did God rest as an example to us?
Hebrews 4:4 “…And on the seventh day God rested from all His work.”
You are missing the whole point of the sabbath. 1st the natural then the spiritual. If you don’t understand the natural meaning of the sabbath then how can you understand the spiritual meaning?
@@sabrinaperlongo1813 I'm enjoying a sabbath today and I'll enjoy another one tomorrow. The commandments are not random but extend from the very nature and charater of God. Not the other way around. Think deeply about what this means. It seems the law of Christ is all encompassing and that's all I'm required to follow.
@@darwinjurado5141 I enjoy my rest in messiah everyday. That is the point of the 8th day . For me understanding the sabbath (7th day) and honoring it as a day of rest magnifies what Jesus ‘s resurrection means. Sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath. Why would Jesus say this if it was replaced or done away with. And what did he mean by , I didn’t come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. What did the writer of acts mean by saying the Bereans were more noble by searching the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was teaching was true. What scriptures was the writer speaking of. There was no New Testament at that time.Your thoughts brother?
@@sabrinaperlongo1813 I suspect Paul taught his audience from the old testament in regards to the kingdom and the Messiah. If he did teach about the covenants in a way that you seem to think, than he would have taught that circumcision is more important than sabbath keeping. Even Jesus did not dispute this practice John 7. Let's enjoy our Sabbath in Christ since he is the fullfillment of the law.
Pastor Doug,i am a SDA,n i have your vedeo tape of 1set, bought ut when i was n HK.we love you Pastor Doug.
if you want to take safe side, just keep the Sabbath which is at least listed in the commandment of God. The Bible/God never required us to keep the first day of the week to remember. So, If I'm going to choose one day to worship , I would rather choose something which is written in the Bible.
What if your job requires you to work on a saturday? Am i suppose to just quit or tell my boss i cant work on saturdays? Really? Once again ill repeat myself keeping the sabbath doesnt save you. It doesnt make you more of a christian that those that dont keep it. Its ludicrous to think that one that keeps the sabbath is more spiritual than one that doesnt
@@jorgeroman8621 Doing something just that people will think us spiritual is not the right mindset. I will negotiate first before I leave a job. Yes, I will leave a job for what I believe. It might be nonesense for those who don't believe.
@@htoolay6581 i doubt very much God will get upset especially if your job requires you to work on saturdays. My point is if you are off on sun and monday or sunday and tuesday then if you want to truly keep the sabbath then you do rest on a sunday or monday. Point is you are still dedicating a day for the Lord. If it cant be on a saturday its not a sin.
Point is keeping the sabbath shouldnt be a burden. If im only off on sun and monday then i will dedicate my monday to the Lord. I just dont understand why people make it harder than what it really is..
@@jorgeroman8621 How would you feel telling this whole paragraph to Yahweh? Who said he created REST FOR MAN. Hu-MAN. you think God doesnt keep his promise?
Keeping The sabbath brings you into a different kind of nation. A holy nation under Lord Sabaoth, or in other words Lord of the Sabbath. Which is the 7th day!
Jesus is not a day..ill tell u that before hand...
Sabbath is already there, the question is do you keep it *holy,* or not?
i like that
Exactly. Supporting an apostate cult isn't holy
The answer is a veritable yes!! Keep it holy!
Jesus Christ is only a name abused by the Adventist's and the Armstrongites *to teach Moses* (Acts 15:-16) . Phil 3:18 *"For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:"*
@@billclass5847 I came in my father's name, but you reject it. But when someone comes in his name you will receive.
Where is the name of the Father in the word JESUS?
Keeping sabbath is a great meaning in the lives of every individual ,,not only for one man or one nation but to all humanity, who love God fully,
Thank you pastor DOUG , WE ARE ALL drafted to and tree, no question ,we should become one
This was amazing... if I didn’t know anything about the Sabbath I would definitely start keeping the Sabbath. God bless everyone who reads this.
Thanks for inquiring. The following is not my testimony.
According to someone's testimony, they saw prophetess Ellen White in hell. Jesus said she is in this place for inventing heresies. She prophesied lies and still had connections with the Satanists who helped her Ministry grow. She also taught her members to keep the Sabbath stepping on my grace. Whoever wants to live in the law will have to never sinned. Whoever chooses to live in the law will have to save himself from it without committing any sin like Me. All the sects that reject my grace stare down the contract of the New Covenant. Whoever lives in the contract of the Old Covenant will be cursed and go to hell.
Jesus said, this woman Ellen White lied saying, there is no hell. She taught people hell does not exist but when she died she landed in hell. Now she is in it and I saw how the demons tormented that woman. The more souls went down to hell because of her teaching, the more she was tormented. From the foundation of her sect until now, millions of souls are now going to hell. Jesus said, testify most of its souls may come to salvation and ascend into heaven.
@@edaguirre8952 where are you even getting these you say “Jesus said” but where in scripture says anything about that, are you gonna believe in someone’s testimony that the Bible doesn’t even support
@@edaguirre8952 Lol non of this has to do with the bible. You would have to explain why Paul continued to keep the sabbath and the feast days it says REMEMBER the Sabbath. Daniel said they would think to change times and laws. Prophecy fulfilled in 325a.d. when they attempted to change the sabbath to sun-day worship
The End of the Sabbath Law
- What law of commandments separated Jews from Gentiles? The Law of Moses! One of those commandments was to observe the Sabbath. (Ephesians 2:11-15)
Today we are dead to the Law of Moses. That is the same law that said, 'You shall not covet' and also said, 'Remember the Sabbath day; to keep it holy.' The entire Law of Moses was nailed to the cross. (Romans 7:4-7)
- The only reason that we are not to covet today is because the Law of Christ commands us! (Romans 13:9, Hebrews 10:1, 9)
- Those who appeal to the old law make make themselves a debtor to do the whole old law. (Galatians 5:2-3)
@@kac0404 the sabbath day was already established and made holy in genesis. The law of moses is not the same as the ten commandments. The ten commandments are still good till this day and will forever be. The ten commandments were placed in the ark under the mercy seat and the law of moses was left outside of the ark. If you touch that ark you die you had to be a levite. Yahshua was a king and priest and the ten commandments live through him. John 14:15. Yahshua along with the disciples, prophets and Paul kept the sabbath.
If Jesus put an end to the Sabbath then why did He Himself keep the Sabbath?
Luke 4:16 NKJV. So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. My point is this, if Jesus kept the Sabbath as His custom I too should do the same.
Gregg shared how John records that Jesus broke the Sabbath. What we need to recognize though is that Jesus never broke the spirit of the Law. He lived and moved in Rest, doing only what He heard and saw the Father doing. Total trust: and I believe He was refreshed with the Father in the morning hours. This was His daily bread and He abided in the Father. That was His rest. He was demonstrating the fulfillment of the law: how to abide in the peace of the Father.
Wrong! John never recorded what you speak of, you are twisting Scriptures sadly...
Sorry, that was not to you. Please do not assume things though, I use a Geneva Bible, the most accurate version of the Word that I have been able to find.
I agree with your statement, I disagree with livingisresting
livingisresting But remember, there is a DOING that Christ demonstrated in obedience to God's commandments. He did NOT exclude the physical fulfilment for the spiritual, but let the spiritual drive his physical performance of righteousness. For instance, he was baptized, LITERALLY, to "fulfill all righteousness". He did NOT just confess conversion, but modelled for us our need to actually DO, and not be hearers only. FAITH works, as demonstrated by Paul and by Jesus. He actually went to the synagogue on Sabbath, and kept it, not according to the Pharisees, but according to God. He was without sin, as he never ever actually committed sin. He NEVER transgressed, he never acted outside the will of God, never ommitted any duty and spiritualized away ACTUAL compliance. Tit2v11 says WE can too, under grace.
There are many people including ex Adventist ministers and pastors who depart from the truth. They try to make their own interpretations of the word of God. Without them knowing, they try to take the place of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit reveals to us to the wonderful truths of the Bible and He uses true consecrated men to spread the truths. It breaks my heart to see how our lost brothers and sisters believe they know more than God. We should not attack these poor souls but pray for them. I believe many of them never pursued vocation but profession. Many with un consecrated hearts had trouble understanding the simple words of God. Remember the devil's job is to confuse the truth. By doing so he can slowly separate you from the truth. I implore everyone to study and pray that the Holy Spirit can eliminate the weaknesses in your heart and mind. To guide you and protect you from the snares of the devil. I love you all❤️ Thank you Pr. Doug Batchelor, God bless you and your family!!!❤️
Do you know for sure, if you were to die today, where you would spend eternity? Have you kept the commandments perfectly? Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect. God requires perfection to get into heaven.
Your journey is proof that God's love can bring about miracles in the most challenging circumstances. It's truly heartwarming to hear how Jesus has not only rescued you from despair but has also blessed you with a loving family. Your story serves as a powerful reminder that, with faith, there is always a chance for a fresh start and a brighter future.
The sabbath question deals not only with a day of worship, but also it is dealing with pointing to Christ as a creator, it is dealing with going against secular influence and lifestyle , and a transformation of character. Creation is a blue print for our lives and it is what we can look forward to, because God does not change. On earth as it will be in heaven God will have a people that will worship Him on His day.
God said to keep his Sabbath, throughout the generations, so yes, until everyone is dead we should keep the Sabbath, that is from Friday evening to Saturday evening, and it carries over with throughout the generations.
The Sabbath behind at sunrise, not sundown.
@@John-eh4yk The Sabbath is no longer binding. The fact is, every one of the Ten Commandments is a part of the law of Christ except the fourth commandment, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy (Ex. 20:8). The word sabbath comes from a root word meaning to cease, desist. The idea is not that of relaxation or refreshment, but of cessation from activity. It was a word used in regard to the observation of the seventh day of the week (our Saturday) which God enjoined upon Israel. It was based upon the fact that after the sixth day of creation, God rested on the seventh (Ex. 31:16,17). This day of rest had special significance to the Hebrews since for over four hundred years they had been in Egyptian bondage, during which time they never had a day of rest.
This is the best debate on the Sabbath that I have ever seen
God bless everyone here on this platform thank you for sharing please keep the faith of Jesus Christ superstar 🎉
Thank you so much Doug. You spoke only the truth according to God's word. The Sabbath was made for man as a memorial of creation and for mankind to stop work and spend time with their Creator and to recharge for another 6 days of work.
Spragadoozy, is the sabbath, a moral or a ceremonial law. Thank you.
Dough Bachelor’s performance was shambolic uneducated and utterly unsupported by scripture.
The Sabbath is made for our benefit by preaching it to be binding to your followers is resulting in the ignorance of what the sabbath resembles.want to know more ask a JW.
Lord help us ALL. We like to think we understand all part of scripture.
facts
This is the truth. We need God’s help to understand and we need to stay humble.
I thank you Doug for explaining and I would like you to go through this again in near future
Great from both Steve and Doug.Let now the followers/Christians make wise decision on to keep the sabbath or not.Let us too have health discussion too like our leaders.All will pass away but my Word will remain says the Lord
what wrong with mr gregg, how can he say Jesus broke the law. smh thank you Doug for clearing that up for him, because if jesus broke the law he couldnt die for our sin
Yes, Also by saying Jesus broke the law...they are calling Jesus a sinner.
We need to be careful with that.
Jesus butted heads with the teachers at the time, because they were coming up with their own rules and traditions...adding and taking away from Gods word/law.
Same thing going on today with Christianity and Judaism- adding and subtracting from Gods Law.
Yeshua also said the Father has been working since the beginning yet the word also says he rested on the seventh day. The word does not contradict its self. There* is lots of work to be done on the Sabbath, a day of rest from secular work not of the work of YHWH
Such clear reason that i would hope show them that they are in error. But nope they refuse
Ruben Medina Amen !
@Khushi Raw did you hear doug bachelor or did you sleep?? Your question had been answer not the other guy seem like HIM and YOU dont know YOUR bible LOL
Amen Pastor Doug. God created the world and he rested on the sabbath. I was a non sabbath follower but I prayed and opened my heart to allow God to show me. I found the true Sabbath of worship and you right in saying God rested, kept it hold and he blessed the Sabbath!! I have experienced this greatly... and yes if the 10 commandments is standing today then why leave out the 4th one.. Remb the first 4 commandments is the LOVE you have for GOD and the rest ie 6. Is the love you have for those around you. My brothers and sisters at the end of the day we all pray to the same God and when you seek God diligently you will find him . Amen
God kept the Sabbath in the Garden of Eden. I believe Adam and Eve would have kept the Sabbath with the Lord also... Can't imagine Adam and Eve would have been rude and did their own thing on the Sabbath, they would have been with God keeping the Sabbath with Him...
Why not keep All 613 other commandments?
It's great you keep the 4th one, and say u follow the 4th one with it. But why not the 613 other commandments?
@jeniffer that's what you call a Theory.
And NOT biblical.
The bible actually says that MOSES made the law, and you will notice that NO WHERE in the bible it says that anyone BEFORE Moses followed such law, or where even bound by it.
@@christianmunoz9887
The angels didn’t even knew there was a law before Lucifer sinned against God, imagine us as humans
Does it mean God gets tired?
Steve Gregg did a great job!
NO HE REPEATEDLY MISQUOTED THE BIBLE.
@@mikeforfar9493 any examples?
Lots of them. He was painful to Watch.
@@pierreleroux2910 He misquoted all of these. If you want to know how let me know. Rom 10:4, 2 Cor 3:7-13, Hebrews 4:9-10, Gal 5:18, Rom 7:1-6, John 5:8-11, Gal 3:19, Gal 2:16, Hebrews 7:12.
Lighting a fire on the sabbath nonsense.
The sabbath is a blessing for all mankind not just the Jews.
Jesus kept the sabbath without questioning the father
big foot true
@@playkandle Will Jesus do something wrong or sin because Jewish traditions obligated Him to do so?
@@playkandle you said Jesus was Jew therefore He's obligated to keep the sabbath. So I'm asking you what will Jesus do? Will He commit sin just because his tradition obligated Him to do so?
@Mike Flanagan To do Godly work on the Sabbath not secular work. Jesus did that every Sabbath. Plus Jesus taught during the Sabbath.
Yes... before he performed his last miracle and gave us the new covenant. After he rose again he fulfilled the law and gave us new laws and he new covenant and commision. To preach the Gospel... not the law. The pharasees preached the law. John the baptist preached salvation with Christ.... not the law.
I love how gentle and clear Pastor Doug is: he is cloaked in God's Spirit. There is no tone of desperation or grasping to prove anything, and he doesn't disregard his brother in Christ's points or attitude- in fact, he agrees and he simply speaks the truth, elaborating on the missing impact of Steve's points and FULFILLING them (Just as Jesus said: not to abolish.) Steve is on track, and he is so close to finding the key here.
@Johnny Mene - Jesus worshipped on the Sabbath ??? FYI, Jesus did many things that were Jewish because He was a Jew. Jesus was also circumcized. Are you going to be circumcized? Jesus attended Jewish synagogues. Are you going to attend synagogues??? Have you found one command in the New Testament where Jesus commands His followers to keep the Sabbath?
Please find it.
@@mtalk828 we are to remember to keep the Sabbath. We follow it just like the other 9
@Kevin Belgrove Jesus even broke the sabbath, brother. The sabbath is no longer in effect including the ten commandments because the ten has been insufficient. We are to keep the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2). The ten commandments does not include baptism, or loving your enemies, praying to God, honoring all men (not just your mother and father based on the 10 commandments) and a lot more. This is why the bible said, "And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses." (Acts 13:39)
@Johnny Mene Did he? Could you show me some verse please? Because I have read that he "broke the Sabbath" in John 5:18.
@@mtalk828 If the Lord Jesus followed the Sabbath, why did the Jews want to stone him?
Thank you Doug for explaining very clear the Sabbath law. It is very clear that the Sabbath law comes under our relationship with God which means God own the Sabbath, it is His day and want Hus followers to follow it.
I would agree with this. He was direct and kept scripture in context. I did not find it to be that way with Steve.
You and Doug are wrong but those who are deceived continue to deceive others
@@Lemonarmpits
Yes, deceived do continue to deceive. I would be real serious about reading a good version bible, and reading it for what it says not what you'd like it to say. The end will tell the results and if we blindly follow tradition or take texts out of context, there will be much accountability to have to account for. Best to you. Don't blindly follow. I found real truth when I let the bible speak for itself & not try to sway it to what I had been told or wanted it to say.
@@Lemonarmpits quote----You and Doug are wrong but those who are deceived continue to deceive others--unquote
THAT IS AN OPINIOIN which NO ONE cares about!!!
You quote NOTHING from the Bible--Nothing from the video!!!
@@juleebishop5735 quote---Yes, deceived do continue to deceive--unquote
Then prove these as deception:
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13
PROVE THEM WRONG!!
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These: Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath
Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day.......
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, c
Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath).
Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,
Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week
Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin
Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, ....
John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day, in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one,
John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre,
--Quoted directly from the BIble!!!
TRuth or LIes?? taken out of Context???
Thank you very much Mr bachelor and I thank God for you you are the very best thank you very much
Our Heavenly Father wrote the commandments with his own hands of command. Of whom is Worthy to rewrite his laws that he gave for mankind.
the catholic smurch thinks they them guys
Br Gregg, God bless you and keep you and let his light shine on you, may the Holy Spirit walk upon the stormy waters of your mind and soul and remove the abrupt stubbornness of king Nebuchadnezzar and bring you to the calm, quietness of conviction like him (Neb) and praise the Lord of the Sabbath Daniel 4:47
Awesome clarity of Steve Gregg's presentation. Well supported by the Scripture.
I love pastor Doug Preaching straight to the point watching in Papua New Guinea PNG
The word of God is crystal clear
that every one need to see
its your choices
but me personally
i will observed the Sabbath
I am going to keep the whole ten commandments cause i love Jesus through Holy Spirit AMEN!!!!
The Sabbath Misconception
There's a lot of propaganda regarding the sabbath. Ellen White supposedly found a hidden truth about the sabbath. Well she was wrong. The sabbath is not the heart of the moral law or the seal of God because "Love is THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW (Romans 13:10)."
It is not a New Testament moral law. It was a ceremonial shadow pointing to Christ who made the atonement for sin and we are complete and rest in him, see Numbers 28:9,10; Colossians 2:10,16,17;Hebrews chapters 3 and 4. It is a REST OF FAITH, not a day of the week to keep. There's liberty in Christ concerning days, so there's no Saturn day or Sunday keeping commandment. For these reasons Jesus did not command sabbath keeping. It is NOT A COMMANDMENT OF CHRIST. It has nothing to do with the gospel or the gentiles. By meeting on the first day of the week, believers commemorate the resurrection and have done so since the first century. Therefore the Sunday law mark of the beast is an erroneous notion invented by Ellen White.
We all have sinful natures even when we hate someone we are guilty of murder. If it was possible for man to keep all ten commandments then it would not be necessary for Jesus to die because of everyone's sins.
Amen for GOD PEOPLE Sabbath was not mentioned in new so we are bond to the 10 commandments they are not carrying me over to Sunday because the CATHOLIC created Sun 🌞 I’m staying with the 10 commandments
How do you keep the sabbath that it say; you can not got out and kindle fire on the Sabbath?
The Sabbath that it is the Ten Commandments is the covenant of the blood of animals to cover the sins of Israelites,by doing it that makes them holy. While the new covenant is the blood of Jesus that takes away the sins of the world. The Sabbath in Ten Commandments is the Passover and the feast of unleavened bread. That’s the only Sabbath that given to Israelites before they get into the promised land. And also,when Israelites celebrates the Sabbath, they will go to go to Israel, otherwise God will not send them rain.
Jesus did not commanded to keep the Sabbath but instead He commanded us we “MUST BE BORN AGAIN IN SPIRIT.” It is a “MUST.”
You are going to keep the Ten Commandments, great! But how about the other sins that mention in new testaments? How about our thoughts? Jesus said; when you look to a woman with lust, you are committing adultery in your heart. And also when you hate someone,you committing murder.
If you think you are holy by going to church on Saturday, then set aside the blood of Jesus that justify your sins. And ask yourself, why Jesus need to die for you and paid for the penalty that you deserved.
@@princessella5527 I do blve in the new covenant...we are set free when Jesus died at the same time whilst we r not under the law we still try to live pure lives. I do not blve that anyone can keep the ten commandments only that we can strive to live Godly lives for it pleases God. I do blve that if one breaks one of the ten we r guilty of all ten hence the reason why Christ died because of our sins. I do not believe that Sabbath keepers who attend church on that Holy Daycan possibly keep it Holy as there are too much activities taking place ...progammes at church ...entertainment preparing lunches etc...cooking...contact with so many believers...afternoon get togethers at nature reserves ...travelling..are all distractions from the real meaning of "Holy Sabbath"
Ive been an SDA member for years but due to personal reasons do not attend for last 4 years. I do not belong to any denomination as I feel that there are too many disgusting things taking place in churches. It doesnt affect my belief in God and my relationship with God.
The question isn’t should Christians keep the sabbath. The question is are Christians commanded to keep the sabbath as the children of Israel were?
Doug you were awesome you gave us a foundation refererence and a platform for life and living and a motivation for a more serious reading of gods word by the grace of god i will continue to support your ministry 😊😊
Hello James, thank you so much for your kind words! Pastor Doug does not respond directly here on this social media platform but we will be sure to pass along your kind words to him! May God Bless you and your encouragement towards Amazing Facts is very appreciated!
-The Amazing Facts Team
Amen
That was a very fair debate. They honor my ability to make a decision from the word of God.
Let us know what decision you took...
GOD bless the keepers of the Sabbath of the LORD.
TESTIMONY OF HELL (Religious But Lost)
According to someone's testimony, they saw prophetess Ellen White [ a founder of Seventh Day Adventism] in hell. Jesus said she is in this place for inventing heresies. She prophesied lies and still had connections with the Satanists [Freemasons] who helped her ministry grow. She also taught her members to keep the Sabbath stepping on my grace. Whoever wants to live in the law will have to never sinned. Whoever chooses to live in the law will have to save himself from it without committing any sin like Me. All the sects that reject my grace stare down the contract of the New Covenant. Whoever lives in the contract of the Old Covenant will be cursed and go to hell.
Jesus said, this woman Ellen White lied saying, there is no hell. She taught people hell does not exist, but when she died she landed in hell. Now she is in it, and I saw how the demons tormented that woman. The more souls went down to hell because of her teaching, the more she was tormented. From the foundation of her sect until now, millions of souls are now going to hell. Jesus said, testify most of its souls may come to salvation and ascend into heaven.
THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SABBATH
The Sabbath Day begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday. Therefore, the Lord Jesus Christ rose on THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.
Question: "Do Christians have to observe the Sabbath day?"
Answer: It is often claimed that “God instituted the Sabbath in Eden” because of the connection between the Sabbath and creation in Exodus 20:11. Although God’s rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath-keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.
The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a special sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17).
In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12-14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).
God’s intent for giving the Sabbath to Israel was not that they would remember creation, but that they would remember their Egyptian slavery and the Lord’s deliverance. Note the requirements for Sabbath-keeping: A person placed under that Sabbath law could not leave his home on the Sabbath (Exodus 16:29), he could not build a fire (Exodus 35:3), and he could not cause anyone else to work (Deuteronomy 5:14). A person breaking the Sabbath law was to be put to death (Exodus 31:15; Numbers 15:32-35).
An examination of New Testament passages shows us four important points: 1) Whenever Christ appears in His resurrected form and the day is mentioned, it is always the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1, 9, 10; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1, 13, 15; John 20:19, 26). 2) The only times the Sabbath is mentioned from Acts through Revelation, the occasion is Jewish evangelism, and the setting is usually a synagogue (Acts chapters 13-18). Paul wrote, “To the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews” (1 Corinthians 9:20). Paul did not go to the synagogue to fellowship with and edify the saints, but to convict and save the lost. 3) After Paul states, “From now on I will go to the Gentiles” (Acts 18:6), the Sabbath is never again mentioned. And 4) Instead of suggesting adherence to the Sabbath day, the remainder of the New Testament implies the opposite (including the one exception to point 3, above, found in Colossians 2:16).
Looking more closely at point 4 above will reveal that there is no obligation for the New Testament believer to keep the Sabbath,
@Mike Flanagan
Thanks. So right.
@@iscezbal8 Jesus, Lord of the sabbath and Mediator of the New Testament, chose not to give the 4th commandment because it was ceremonial, not a moral law, and pointed to him (Colossians 2:16,17). In the next verse Paul advises Christians about judgmental sabbath keepers.
It's a ritual with lambs as noted in Numbers 28:9,10.
It is an abrogated Hebrew ritual law that pointed to Christ and has nothing to do with the gospel and the gentiles. The commandments of God are the commandments of Christ of which the sabbath is EXCLUDED.
The sabbath is a dead work now. Trying to keep it is living under the Old COVENANT and staring down the New stepping on the grace of Christ.
Sabbath keepers willed Jesus to be murdered. They murdered Stephen and stoned Paul. Adding to this significance, according to Andrew SDA whistleblower, adventist hospitals have performed thousands of abortions, murdering preborn children. The sabbath keepers are still murdering to this day. What a shame. This sabbarian institution has blood on its hands. Pastor and author Billy Crone says SDA is an insidious cult. He said don't walk away, run away. Ellen White has more false doctrines like soul sleeping, no hell annihilation, investigative judgment, Sunday law mark of the beast, etc.
Even though I am not SDA I have not seen any argument from Steve presentation against Sabbath keeping. Based on 10 commandments we know what Jesus means by love God and love your neighbours. Without 10 commandments we are lost, including commandment about Sabbath. If you celebrate one day why did you select Day of Sun= Sunday instead of biblical Sabbath?
7th day Adventists leadership teaching claim that going to church on Sunday will eventually lead to a "Sunday law" of which the Anti-christ or Beast system will force everybody to go to church on Sunday. I believe this is erroneous. There is nothing in the book of Revelation that suggests this. What it does say is that everyone on earth at that time during the tribulation period spoken of in the book of Daniel and in the book of Revelation is that people will have to receive a Mark in there hand or forehead in order to buy or sell, of which is the mark of the Beast. If the person refuses the mark, they can not buy anything or sell anything, and will be imprisoned and executed.
kenneth blair that is biblically true though.
All of Christianity are just byproducts of different gods/religions. So what if you observe sabbath and yet you still both worship the same god of gentiles. Here is the link in case who I am talking about? ua-cam.com/video/JHi3RbtF7Zk/v-deo.html
@@kennethblair9314 YOU ARE WRONG 7th day adventist said that only if Sunday is enforced by LAW as long as there is NO LAW about keeping Sunday no one will have the Mark of the beast and the Mark on the forehead represents the mind bcuz behind your forehead is your frontal lobe(part of your brain) where you make you're desicion to obey God or not in other words when you receive the Mark on your forehead it means that you have been deceived and if you receive the Mark on your hand it means that you are accepting the Mark bcuz you want to buy or sell in the last days
@@kennethblair9314 YOU ARE 100% WRONG
Well done to both gentlemen. God loves you both.
Steve Gregg won the debate.
If you think contradicting yourself is winning, then yes, he definitely won.
Doug won, I thought
Thanks for this fair debate.
If the sheep can understand the voice of its Shepherd, me too.
If fully understanding
cast out fear then I understood Mr Steve well, as well as pastor and leader of amazing facts.
Praise the Lord for giving us the desire to worship Him in spirit and in truth! that is not a comment on this topic ... just a reminder that all who believe in Him have life in/through Him. Eternal Life! Praise the Lord!
Thank Pastor Doug 🙏🙏🙏Proverbs 3.v5 says lean not unto thine own understanding and v6 says in all thy ways acknowledge him and he shall direct thy paths... Any time Studying the Bible give an understanding against the Bible, v6 says it all God blessing to all
From a speakers pointy of view, Steve 'won' the debate. Doug used a lot of 'I beleve' which really isn't a backing for a point of view
Someone please pray for Steve Gregg in Jesus Christ name amen.
Pray for Doug Batchelor, thank you.
Thank you gentlemen for sharing this discussion.
All I'm saying, if the 7th day Sabbath,which is apart of the 10 Commandments,is obsolete, then all other 9Commandments are obsolete, then we don't need to tell people to repent from their sins -sin is disobedience to God's 10 Commandments -since the 10 Commandments are obsolete.
If you are guilty of 1 then you are surely guilty of all.
In the new heaven we will keep the Sabbath.thank Pr. Doug.for depending God's Law.
Christ is the end of law for righteousness for everyone who believes for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified before him for by law is the knowledge of sin so you and dough are condemned
Which work will you be doing in heaven?
@@sebastianmutua6790I wonder too.
The only Christian church that are too judgemental on other christian denomination is Seventh Day Adventist.
Most of the Adventist members strongly believe that those who worship on Sunday will go to hell. I can't locate any particular scriptures that says those who worship on Sunday will go to hell.
Observing physical Sabbath is More important or restraining the holiness of moral is important?
Why does ministers of Gospel who worship on Sunday are mightly used by God and Holy Spirit to cast down demons and heal sickness in Jesus name. Some one use Mathew 7:21 and can argue on that .
They are keeping the Sunday as the Holy day of worship but doing the great miracles.
Are they used by God or other spirit?
The bible clearly state the important of being a Christian, who follow Christ is all about the purity of heart in the new testament. In the gospel of Jesus you would realized that Jesus was teaching more about having the purity of hearts than observing the physical days, diet, and other ceremonials law.
The point here is, weather you are worshipping on the Saturday or Sunday is not the the point, the point is you keeping the holiness in the heart and mind this is where the moral issues are.
To conclude, John 3:3 , again This is a new testament, Nicodemus was the teacher of law, that means he knows all the holiday days, festival, rituals etc.. but he missed the big points, he concerned more on physical stuff than observing the holiness of heart and mind.Jesus said, Born again and you will see the kingdom of God. Let's Born again in our hearts and minds rather than concern or physical laws,that's where Jesus concern is.
It's 2020 and we are definitely digging for the word
Amen
My family and ministry came to learn that if we are believers, we should follow Yeshua. We therefore celebrate shabbat and it is just awesome.
Nico Mettler, is the sabbath, a moral or a ceremonial law. Thank you.
@@93556108 All the nations will finally keep sabbath in the last days Isaiah 56
@@binderdundit228 please quote to me the verse or verses in isa56 to support your claim, thank you.
@@93556108 Isaiah 56 the whole chapter. Summary: Sabbath is for anyone who joins themselves to YHVH.
Zacheriah 14 the whole chapter is also in support of Sabbath, and this passage of the future, it mentions that all nations will observe the Sabbath...as well as the new moons which is the basics for the biblical calendar. Our calendar in society now, is a Roman pagan infusion that differs greatly from the biblical calendar months, days and years. Isaiah 66 the whole chapter is also a future scenario and something everyone should digest and absorb into their understanding.
@@binderdundit228 Quote “Isaiah 56 the whole chapter. Summary: Sabbath is for anyone who joins themselves to YHVH. “ Correct. the children of the ancient Israel who joined themselves with God and He made His Mosaic covenant with them inclusive of the Sabbath observance.
Biblically it’s an erroneous statement because we’re living under the NT; Please furnish me just a single verse in the NT that Christians are commanded to observe the Sabbath…
You can’t quote for me a single verse that stated Sabbath in Isa65 and now you came up with Isa66. How about interpreting this verse for me in Isa66? ; Quote “Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. “
NOTE in Isa66:24 are you going to spend your eternity in the new heavens and new earth together with human corpses with the undying worm and unquenched fire. Please answer this for me?
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. Revelation 1:10
Rev 1:10 was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,
1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
Also look at all the days that Christ appeared after the resurrection. It was always the first day.
@@dustins382 It is interesting that many Christians follow the lead of the Church of Christ non-instrumental by saying if it happened in the NT we must do it. They make an historical "IS" into a present day "OUGHT." That produces all kinds of aberrant theology!
@@lifeboundtours712 I don't understand your comment. Do you mean the protestant denomination Church of Christ that only uses a capella hymns? Or do you mean the early church? I really don't understand your point.
The early church doing something as an "is"... Is actually an "ought"... For if anybody preaches a different gospel than what is received, let him be accursed (gal 1:8-9)
@@dustins382 Yes
@@dustins382 that is the week argument for the sanctity of Sunday. Jesus never seem to find it with any of the appearance. He was silent on the matter because his law which he gave is unchanging.
The greatest of them all is to love your neighbor as yourself, love the Lord with all your heart
Beautiful presentation. Thank you for taking the time to do this. God bless brothers
I’m no Bible scholar but I read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and it’s very clear. We as Christians are to keep the Sabbath! Any Christian who says we aren’t under the Ten Commandment law anymore certainly would not be okay with their wife or husband cheating on them. The only commandment we are told to forget is the only one that starts with the word REMEMBER! Go Pastor Doug! AMEN!!
Because the good book or the word of God say it's on the CROSS read your Bible brother God bless
If ten Commandments still apply to US... We are still in old Testament and Jesus is not yet born. Or if Jesus is born than his crucifixion is meaningless..... If we are still to be judge or gain our ticket to heaven by our deeds or by following the commandments than Jesus crucifixion is bogus....
I will advise you to read it again......however if you want to keep it..... there's nothing wrong with it but no one should be condemned for not keeping it as the old testament teaches.
Okay.....first, the shabbat is not optional neither is it done away with. Not one jot of the Torah will pass away....However you must understand that the Torah was a prophetic shadow picture of good things to come. The Torah or instructions that was given to Mosheh had a higher definition or revelation in the New covenant. They had a fulfillment in the Life of Yahusha. Yahusha is the embodiment of the whole Torah. Yisharel kept the shabbat and all other instructions to depict a higher revelation of what YAHUAH would do in the New covenant.
For instance..... In the old testament anger was not something that was likened unto murder but Yahusha lifted up the standard in Matthew 5:21,22.
Also fornication and adultery were also lifted up to looking and lusting after a woman in Matthew 5:28.
In Matthew 19...a rich man came to Yahusha to know how he could be saved....listen to what Yahusha told him to observe for eternal salvation....note that he had not died yet and so was still in the old testament.... But listen...
Matthew 19:16-21
[16]And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17]And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18]He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19]Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[20]The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
[21]Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Yahusha instructed him to keep the commandments or the Torah.....and the man asked which one specifically.... The simple answer would have been all the commandments but Yahusha listed the specific ones that deals with the salvation of an individual;
1.Thou shalt do no murder, 2.Thou shalt not commit adultery,
3. Thou shalt not steal,
4. Thou shalt not bear false witness,
5. Honour thy father and thy mother: and
6. Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The first six instructions Yahusha listed referred to how we deal with ourselves as humans or what it means to love your neighbour as yourself and it summarizes commandment 5 to 10.... the young man replied that he had been doing all that from childhood and so was waiting to hear that he could enter the kingdom until Yahusha said this;
If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Hahaha, sell all you have...sell your riches, sell your very heart desire, sell your little idol, sell the very thing that sustains you,sell that which you put your trust in, sell your very life, forsake your life, and come and follow me.
This was a very hard thing to do.
It will only take a man who loves YAHUAH with his whole heart, a man who has not made his riches his idol, a man who revere the name of the Lord, a man who loves the Lord to sell all that he has to follow after Yahusha......this statement of Yahusha is the fulfilment of Torah 1-4.
This is why Yahusha said to the people that all the law and the prophets hangs on two commandments , see
Matthew 22:36-39
[36]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38]This is the first and great commandment.
[39]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Love YAHUAH with everything you have, and with your heart, your soul and mind and love your neighbour as yourself.
Shabbath was never dealt away with but it had a greater revelation and essence in the new covenant . Yisharel kept the seventh day Shabbat as they were commanded but they did not believe in the Lord so none of the people who came out of Mizraim( Egypt) entered into the rest or Shabbat of YAHUAH. Only Joshua Ben Nun and Caleb Ben Juphuneh got to the promised land which was a prophetic shadow picture of the true Shabbat.
And they were able to get there not because they were more diligent in observing the Torah than the others but because they trusted in YAHUAH when the gave faithful reports about the Canaanites that they could conquer them. They did not murmur against YAHUAH neither did they trust in their own strength. In short, their hearts were right with YAHUAH. Once you understand that shabbat is the rest of YAHUAH for HIS people , the picture becomes clearer.
The new testament writer of the book of Hebrew reveals an interesting truth about Shabbat....
Hebrews 4:1-11
[1]Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[5]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[6]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8]For if Jesus(Joshua) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11]Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Yisharel couldn't enter into the rest or shabbat of YAHUAH because they did not trust or belief HIM. But the true Rest or shabbat is experienced if we enter into the rest of YAHUAH.... This is where we seize from our own works and follow after the commandments of Yahusha.
He told us to love the Lord thus to the point where we give all we have to follow after HIM. To love HIM and to refrain from all idols and honor HIM. To declare HIS ways to the unlearn and trust him even as Joshua and Caleb trusted him. To seize from our own works not just on the seventh day but all the days and hours of the day because in Yahusha we enter into the rest or Shabbat of YAHUAH. We seize from the works of the flesh..like adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. ( Galatians 5:19-21). When you seize from these works, the works of the flesh the true meaning of works in the old testament, then you have entered into the shabbat of the MOST HIGH.
This is why Yahusha said He is the Lord of the Shabbat...He showed the Pharisees the true observance or meaning of what YAHUAH stated in the Torah about works....see
Matthew 12:1-13
[1]At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
[2]But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
[3]But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
[4]How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
[5]Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[6]But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7]But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8]For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
[9]And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
[10]And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11]And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12]How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
[13]Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
Yahusha broke corn, and replied them that David did what was unlawful on the shabbat but was justified....The priests also did what was unlawful on the shabbat but were guiltless and HE the son of man, greater than the temple has healed and plugged the ears of corn and yet he is justified ....at this the Pharisees were confused because of what they understood about the Shabbat.... Yahusha added this, "It is lawful to do good on the shabbat"- note that he didn't talk about how hard word that good will require, just do good and your are guiltless.....You can cook for people, preach the gospel, baptize people, help people, and many more just do good , in other words walk in the spirit....demonstrate the fruit of the spirit and you will fulfil the Shabbat.
Hallelujah.....YAHUAH did not leave us there but there is also the final revelation of Shabbat in the future which is the eternal rest with YAHUAH which first starts from the final millennium reign with YAHUSHA on earth.
So my brother, Shabbat graduates in revelation and it will forever be observed but the Qodeshiym's (saints) of YAHUAH but its observation is not the same.
This is why I early on said, You can keep Shabbat as kept by Yisharel...that may help your own conscience or moreover give you ample time to reflect on the ways of YAHUAH but don't make a doctrine out of this and enforce it on all others.
Thank you.
Thanking GOD always for using these people as He allows us to gain His wisdom trough them. There is too much to agree with both and for me yes the laws do not bring us to salvation but believing in JESUS should lead me to obey the laws specially on keeping the sabbath. I still have flaws though on keeping it but I am asking GOD to teach me and if not force me to delight on it as HIS laws is not for HIS gain but ours. Thank you LORD for the wisdom. May we hear more of these.
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13
PROVE THEM WRONG!!
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About the catholic church:
Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174.
"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910.
What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. See under questions 17-21. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
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Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath
Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day....(Seventh day-Saturday_...
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week,(Sunday morning)
Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath).(Friday)
Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over, (After sunset Saturday)
Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Sunday)
Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin (Friday late afternoon)
Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, ....(Sunday)
John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day, (friday)in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one,
John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation,(Friday) since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover
John 20:1 The first day of the week (Sunday) come Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre,
This was a very fair discussion. Thank God, let any man be open to reading
AND RECALL THE WORDS OF JESUS IF YOUR ANIMAL FELL IN A DITCH WHOM OF YOU WOULD LEAVE IT THERE ON THE SABBATH? GOOD WORKS ARE JUSTIFIED BY THE ACT IT SELF !...
Your forgetting one thing
Genesis 2:2-3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Sabbath was created long before Exodus
Robt Clayton, the Bible didn't say "Adam and Eve followed the Sabbath.", because you're supposed to think, "Oh hey, it's God's law, makes sense that since there was no sin, no transgressions that they followed the law of God." Keep in mind that nobody had broke the rules til the day of the Forbidden Tree's fruit was consumed. The Sabbath was made for man. And specifically on the seventh day.
Robt Clayton is that why u like the Sabbath because Adam and Eve Sinned... lol... So your basically saying that God makes a mistake 😒
Ratu Tunisau This is a question of authority, who will you follow and obey, man or God? God blessed the seventh day, God didn't bless the first day, there's not one text in the Bible that indicates He did. " You may read the Bible from Genesis to revelation. And you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday" (The Faith of Our Fathers pg 72 -73 James Gibbon )
Deuteronomy 5:12 says that the Sabbath was given by God to Commemorate the day when the Israelites rested from their Oppressors. It therefore has nothing to do with Gentiles.
As a matter of fact in Exodus 16:23-26 the Lord tells them about the Sabbath.
And the Sabbath commandment isn't found until Exodus 20:8
Here is what the New Testament really says about the Sabbath:
Hebrews 4:8-9 (BBE--Bible in Basic English)
8: For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have said anything about another day.
9: So that there is still a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.
Robt Clayton Robert, you are correct, and we actually agree! WHO ARE THE PEOPLE OF GOD? Only the Jews? If we are Christ's, are we Abraham's seed too? You sure -- 99% of the promises are spoke and written to Jews-- NOT TO GENTILES. including the NEW covenant! Read it-- it is made NOT to gentiles...Is he THE way, THE truth, and THE life, or do GENTILES get a discounted path to follow? Is it SIN to keep SABBATH, or any other Command, by grace, to follow and please God, Robert? What scripture shows us that God's law is null and void in ANY way, and that we should SUBSTITUTE a Mithraic, heathen, pagan 🌅day, supposedly in honor of Christ? When did Christ's holiness, that he himself in Eden placed in the Sabbath dissipate and end? When will we worship God in the NEW EARTH? Just anytime?
ASpen Fp please don’t forget verse 10 which says : For he that is entered into His rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID from His.” So it’s very clear on how we are to remain to keeping Gods Sabbath. Plus we will continue in heaven. God bless you.
The SDA Church DOES NOT interpret the "rest" in Hebrews 4:9 as the 7th day Sabbath rest that is mentioned in the Ten Commandments. Here's the commentary on Heb 4:9 taken from The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary Vol 7 published by Review and Herald Publishing Association:
"9. There remaineth therefore. See on v. 6. Verse 9 states the conclusion, already alluded to in v. 6. drawn from the line of argument begun in v. 3 to prove the assertions of vs. 1, 3. This line of argument may be set forth briefly as follows:
1. As originally made to ancient Israel God’s promised “rest” included: (a) permanent settlement in the land of Canaan, (b) a transformation of character that would make the nation a fit representative of the principles of God’s kingdom, and (c) the role of being God’s chosen instrument for the salvation of the world (see Vol. IV, pp. 26-30; see on ch. 3:11).
2. The generation to whom the promise of “rest” was originally made failed to enter the land of Canaan because of unbelief (see on ch. 3:19).
3. Joshua did led the next generation into the land that had been promised (see on ch.3:11), but because they were spiritually stiff-necked he could not lead them into the spiritual “rest” God intended them to find there (see on ch. 4:7, 8).
4. The same promise had been repeated in the days of David (v. 7). This was evidence that Israel had not, at that time, entered into the spiritual “rest,” and also that their failure to do so in the days of Moses and Joshua had not invalidated the original promise.
5. The ultimate accomplishment of God’s purposes is certain, despite the failure of successive generations (see on vs. 3, 4).
6. The writer’s earnest plea to God’s people of apostolic times to “enter into that rest” (vs. 11, 16) is further evidence that the invitation remained valid and that God’s people, as a group, had not truly entered into that “rest” even in apostolic times.
7. Accordingly, the promise of, and invitation to enter into, God’s spiritual “rest” remains valid (vs. 6, 9), and Christians should “labour therefore to enter into that rest” (v. 11).
It should be noted that the “rest” that remained in Christian times was the spiritual “rest” originally promised to literal Israel (see on v. 3). Obviously, what remains must have been there to begin with.
Rest. Gr. sabbatismos, “a resting [from previous activity],” “a cessation [from previous activity],” later “a Sabbathkeeping,” from the verb sabbatizos÷, “to rest,” “to cease,” “to keep Sabbath.” Sabbatismos appears elsewhere neither in the Bible nor in ancient literature until the 2d and 3d centuries, with the possible exception of a single occurrence in Plutarch Moralia 166A. Consequently, some have concluded that the writer of Hebrews coined the word as he wrote this passage (see Moulton and Milligan, Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament).
Sabbatismos and sabbatizoµ are Greek renderings of the Hebrew noun shabbath and its related verb shabath, respectively, and the meaning of the latter may be expected to cast light on the meaning of the former. Shabbath occurs 101 times in the OT, where it generally means “Sabbath,”-the seventh day of the week-or “week,” a period of seven days marked off by successive Sabbaths. It is also used of the sabbatical year (Lev. 25:6; 26:34, 43; 2 Chron. 36:21). The verb shabath occurs 70 times, 7 times with reference to the Sabbath rest and 63 times with reference to other kinds of rest. For instances of the latter usage see Gen. 8:22; Joshua 5:12; Neh. 6:3; Lam. 5:14; Isa. 14:4; 24:8; 33:8. The root meaning of the verb shabath is “to cease,” “to rest.” The word sometimes denotes the weekly Sabbath rest. But the noun shabbath, derived from shabath, commonly denotes the weekly Sabbath rest, and also the space of time marked off by successive Sabbaths, the week (L
ev. 23:15), and the sabbatical years (ch. 26:35; etc.). It may be noted also that shabbathon, which is simply shabbath with the ending Ðon, is used of the Day of Atonement (Lev. 16:31; 23:32), of the sabbatical year (Lev. 25:4, 5), of the Feast of Trumpets (Lev. 23:24), and of the first and last days of the Feast of Tabernacles (Lev.23:39)-as well as of the seventh-day Sabbath.
Sabbatizoµ is used seven times in the LXX, once of the literal seventh-day Sabbath (Ex.16:30), once of other sabbaths (Lev. 23:32), and five times of the land’s resting in the sabbatical year (Lev. 26:34, 35; 2 Chron. 36:21). In the LXX of Ex. 16:30; Lev. 23:32;26:34, 35 sabbatizoµ is from the Hebrew shabath. Accordingly, the fundamental idea expressed by sabbatizo in the LXX is that of resting or ceasing from labor or other activity. Hence usage of the related Greek and Hebrew words implies that the noun sabbatismos may denote either the literal Sabbath “rest” or simply “rest” or “cessation” in a more general sense. Thus, a linguistic study of the word sabbatismos in Heb. 4:9 leaves it uncertain whether the weekly Sabbath “rest” is here referred to, or simply “rest” or “cessation” in a general sense. Context alone can decide the matter.
The writer of Hebrews appears to use katapusis and sabbatismos more or less synonymously:
1. Because Joshua could not lead Israel into spiritual “rest” (katapausis, v. 8), a sabbatismos (v. 9) remains for Christians. Consistency seems to require that what remains be the same as what was there to begin with. Because Joshua did not lead literal Israel into spiritual “rest” would be no reason for the Christian to observe the Sabbath.
2. From vs. 1, 6 it is clear that what remains for the people of God in NT times is a katapausis; in v. 9 it is said that a sabbatismos remains. To declare that what remains for “the people of God” is the weekly Sabbath, is to declare that what Joshua failed to lead Israel into was the weekly Sabbath.
3. The fact that in the LXX, the Bible of the NT church, katapauoµ (Gen. 2:2, 3); Ex.20:11) and sabbatizoµ (Ex. 16:30; Lev. 23:32) are used interchangeably to denote the seventh-day Sabbath, would tend to preclude the suggestion that the writer of Hebrews intended to make a distinction between the noun forms of these words in Heb. 3; 4.
It may be noted, further, that the Jews of Paul’s time, whether Christian or non-Christian, were punctilious in their observance of the fourth commandment. Certainly, in writing to Jews, the author of Hebrews would not consider it necessary to prove to them that Sabbathkeeping “remaineth.” If the conclusion of the extended argument beginning with ch. 3:7 is that Sabbathkeeping remains for the people of God, it would seem that the writer of Hebrews is guilty of a non sequitur, for the conclusion does not follow logically from the argument. There would have been no point in so labored an effort to persuade the Jews to do what they were already doing-observing the seventh-day Sabbath. Furthermore, in apostolic times the seventh-day Sabbath was observed by all Christians, Jew and Gentile alike, and any argument to prove the validity of the Sabbath in those early Christian times would have been pointless. Furthermore, it may be observed that the section of the book of Hebrews consisting of chs. 3 and 4 opens with an invitation to “consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus” (ch. 3:1), and closes with an earnest plea to “come boldly” before Him in order to “obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need” (ch. 4:16). What relationship a protracted argument designed to prove that Sabbath observance remains as an obligation to the Christian church might have to the declared theme of chs. 3 and 4-the ministry of Christ as our great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary-is obscure indeed.
“The rest here spoken of is the rest of grace” (EGW Supplementary Material on Heb. 4:9; cf. GC 253). It is “the true rest of faith” (MB 1).
We enter into God’s “rest” when we “consider” Jesus (ch. 3:1) and listen to His voice (chs. 3:7, 15; 4:7), when we exercise faith in Him (ch. 4:2, 3), when we cease from our own efforts to earn salvation (v. 10), when we “hold fast our profession” (v. 14), and when we draw near to the throne of grace (v. 16). Those who would enter into this experience must beware of “an evil heart of unbelief” (ch. 3:12), of hardening their hearts (chs. 3:8, 15; 4:7). They must strive to enter into God’s “rest” (ch. 4:11).
Those who enter into God’s “rest” will “hold fast” their “profession” (v. 14). They will “come boldly unto the throne of grace” to “obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need” (v. 16).
People of God. That is, Christians, who are now God’s chosen people as truly as the literal Israelites of old were in their day (Ex. 19:5, 6; 1 Peter 2:9, 10; see Vol. IV, pp. 35, 36)."
@@EricSaavy Joshua and Jesus in ancient Hebrew are the exact same name-- Yahushua. They corrupted the names for no reason really.
Awesome presentation by Pst Doug
Pastor, The word of God has no Validity. It endures in the past, present and future. Forever and Ever 🙏
from now on ill keep the Sabbath
Amen
amen
You may brother, but it's not a legal commandment for all in today's church.
Sylvanus Predaney the church you called is lawless .Iam a messianic and I love Yeshua and his Torah
I am not dealing which church or any group knowing that Messianic can also be very wrong in doctrine. Unless the spirit of YAHUAH opens your heart you may declare others lawless in ignorance. Most of today's churches are lawless. I agree with that. The question is, the new testament explicitly restates all the other ten commandments again in the new testament except the shabbat. Why is the shabbat not explicitly stated in the new testament as something we should obey considering how important it was in the old? Why didn't Yahusha , his apostles or Shaul teach the shabbat in any of their sermons or writings? Because the writer of Hebrews explained what shabbat means and how Yahusha fulfilled it. Sabbath means rest....and it was kept as a rehearsal for the MASHAICH who will be a rest for all who shall believe in Him. Anyone who has entered into Yahusha's rest or Shabbat has seized from his own actions. In the future, the full revelation of the shabbat shall be revealed during the 7th millennium in which YAHUAH will bring a total rest for the earth and the Qodeshim (saints) of YAHUAH. So if you decide to honor it as Yisharel honored it in reference to how YAHUAH honoured in creation... Happy are you but don't judge others and oblige them to the same.
Read the book of Acts 14 and 15.... This is why I am saying that you can keep it in a legalistic way as Yisharel kept it but the Church keeps the shabbat by walking in the inspiration of the RUACH of YAHUAH.
I am not saying the shabbat is abolished but what I am saying is that the way of keeping the shabbat in YAHUSHA is different from how Yisharel was commanded to keep it. The reality of what was practiced for centuries is revealed in life in the RUACH.
We should not try to take the people back to the bondage of the Torah for which reason Yahusha died to save us. The Torah finds its true meaning in Yahusha and if you don't understand this, you will struggle with yourself many times for trying to do the same things Yisharel was commanded to do. Be led by the RUACH. Thank you
Steve Gregg is fulfilling this scripture:
Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. Ezekiel 22:26 (KJV)
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2Cor 3: 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 ¶ But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 ¶ Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
What is Paul saying has been done away with and abolished?
Let’s pray for him.
Debates like these either cause those who refuse to observe the Sabbath to harden their hearts but the proclamation of the truth needs to continue.
You are right and that was also my initial worry
Very well said Gregg. Accurate, truthful and eye opening to the SDA's
It's so simple and clear . We have to be like children trusting our Heavenly Father he knows what's best for us .
The Sabbath - Must Christians keep it today? The Sabbath law, which required rest from physical labor on the seventh day of the week, was a command that Jehovah gave only to the nation of Israel. But the law of Moses, including the Sabbath law, was abolished when Jesus died on the cross. Today we must teach men to observe all things that Jesus commanded His apostles, for Jesus possesses all religious authority (Matthew 28:18,20). The Sabbath law is not a part of the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is God’s power unto salvation (Romans 1:16). Therefore the Sabbath is no longer binding on anyone living today.
@@kac0404 Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass,one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, til all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
From Jesus mouth Himself, He didn't come to destroy the law.
For us to Understand the New Commandment, We have to First Understand the Old Commandment.
Praise God for Pastor Steve gregg