The idea of Bendy is pretty interesting to me. It’s about how a hate filled man created a cartoony horror world to torment an ink version of his former coworker in a machine, and every time the former coworker “bested” the main villain (which is a more monstrous version of a popular cartoon character) everything would reset, creating a “time loop” of sorts, all while the former coworker retained the memories of his previous loops.
@@zallyboii no it doesn't the develop make second game called "Dark Revival" but the failed horror elements and I don't see any scary things. So many wasted characters potential, absolutely feminist agenda.
FNAF is FNAF, Hello Neighbour expanded the genre, Bendy made it popular outside of FNAF and Poppy's Playtime combined it with existing narratives and real world mystery. I'll let you guess who's left.
Hello Neighbor did not "expand the genre".. I'd say Bendy did that. Poppy Playtime and Garten of Banban are just symptoms of a bigger problem that started with Hello Neighbor.. The creator harassing MatPat on twitter baiting for a game theory vid should tell you all you need to know.
I remember watching all of DanTDM's videos on Hello Neighbour, including the alpha builds, when I was younger, and I swear it felt like a different game each time. Though I do remember thinking the concept of an AI learning to secure the house was cool, but noticed a distinct lack of that in the final game.
I believe that a better model for Hello Neighbor would have been to not release a finished game, but to rather release the game at one price, but to release FREE DLC houses consistently adding new challenges, tasks, and layouts. Keeping consistent content for people to play and when time passes they release a second game with updated graphics and do the same thing.
I watched those too! I loved Alpha 2, and was disappointed there wasn't as much Shark on an upstairs floor. Dan is a true gift. Have you been watching his FNAF VR 2 series? It's pretty epic.
Honestly, Bendy was the one who helped start the "Fetch Questy" aspect of Mascot Horror and I believe that future games, like Banban and Poppy, were more inspired by it and from their further success, has created what we see of the genre now, with more bland and boring puzzles than actual intense horror that other horror genres have achieved
Yeah,the GP in batim Is honestly not the greatest...but like everything else Is good,characters,voice acting,artstyle,designs,animation,story/lore,envirements,etc The the dark revival put good GP into it and Made everything else not just good,but great,amazing even
The problem with mascot horror is TRYING to be a new FNAF, not trying to be an interesting game to begin with. Banban is an awful game, but blaming it for the state of the genre is being very unfair. Banban isn't guilty of anything that others haven't done yet. It's just the reflection of the poor state of the genre, a shallow Unity conjunction of rooms with 2 or 3 mindless puzzles that ends in a basic chase sequence. Lots of "LORE" looking for the next Game Theorists video that even GT disliked the game as a whole.
100%. As I said and will continue to say, gaming is in a weird space now where the success of the game can rely on the content creators who make videos/streams about it and promote it to their audience. They may not be intenionally promoting the game, but making a video even if you are critical of the game still promotes it.
As much as I appreciate the game, I have to acknowledge that poppy playtme marked the downfall of mascot horror. Its lore, gameplay, etc. is, at least to me, extremely entertaining, and the jumpscares are scary. I vividly remember in chapter 2, practically having a heart attack during nearly the entire game, even AFTER watching multiple playthroughs (which happened to a lesser degree in chapter 1) Unfortunately, their amazing horror is overshadowed by their cashgrabs. I love the game but I absolutely think that it started/exacerbated the issue with children's horror.
100%. I hope I made it clear that I don't dislike the game/product they made for a development standpoint. However, everything around it seems to show how Mob Entertainment really feels and wants to act.
Personally, I don't think "mascot horror" exists, each horror game surrounds a specific type of horror. Fnaf = Paranormal and Sci Fi Horror (animatronics possessed by spirits and weird futuristic killer robots.) Batim = existential horror (take a look at Dark Revival) Poppy Playtime = Body horror (take a look at the last few VHS on the channel.) But if you ask me, the thing that killed "mascot horror" would be Rainbow Friends, like, it's trying to cash in on this "genre" and it fails so horribly, and yet, thousands of players play it for whatever reason. Also I love the foreshadowing in the thumbnail where Huggy has a sign with an arrow pointing toward the neighbour, I find that very neat lol
I feel like Garten of BanBan 1 was just a test for the creators to see how well they do, and when they saw the fame, instead of improving and working on the second game to be worth the cash, they rushed making it as fast as possible to stay in the fame, making it what it is.
The first two chapters were hot garbage. By chapter three though they seemed to have realised nobody liked it and instead made it a series that makes fun of the mascot horror genre. Still dont like the game though. However the kangaroo crotch laser will always be funny to me.
@@rafsandomierz5313 Sorry didn't Scott made the models for FNAF? all alone by himself? compared to the Euphoric brothers who couldn't create good renders.
I would say over-saturation “killed” this subgenre. Whenever stuff becomes too popular and all over the place, people complain, regardless of quality. People just like to complain, and there is a ton of mascot horror out there right now. Something either needs to be of really high quality or unique in order to escape this.
I wouldn’t say it was cuz people like to complain. I would say it died cuz it started to tiring. It just got more and more repetitive. I would say it was probably Poppy Playtime that killed it (and maybe the FNaF). It felt like the advertising for Poppy Playtime was very “in ur face”. Plus, all those fan made games just made it things worse. Imo, it feels like BATIM 2.0. You could argue that FNaF also might’ve helped in killing the subgenre. There are so many games in the franchise, it feels. I mean, FNaF 3 was supposed to be the last game, but then he kept on making more. Personally, I didn’t think it got tiring until after FNaF 6 where it gave you a perfect ending for the franchise, but they still kept on going. Like, just put the franchise out of it’s misery already.
Hello Neighbor just tried to follow the trend FNAF started. But unlike things like Bendy, it wasn't made to work as "Mascot Horror". It was a chasing action puzzle game with a learning AI. But the developers just started to focus and i mean LASER BEAM FOCUS in complex lore and making everything more exaggerated. Because, in FNAF you have haunted or just super robots, in Bendy you have ink and rubberhose style characters, even in Poppy Playtime you have toys that look like real toys.
I always say that Mascot Horror NEVER died, just Was/Is in a Bad Time where there aren't enough good ones out there. But yeah i blame Hello Neighbor for it all, it had SO much potential, and it was thrown out. Which makes me Mad and Sad, knowing THIS Game could have been something awesome...
Hello Neighbor also showed that even though your franchise is down badly, you can still find a way to make good money. Now some of these mascot Horror franchises can feel confident putting trash out there knowing they can still make bank.
@@Sandwichly like the beginning sing will you said something about FNAF like why did it sound like or make it sound or look like you were talking about just like FNAF and which you know all of those three UA-camrs play different cool hurricanes to you know like Resident Evil 7 like so you just kind of make it look like and sound like they only play that all the time
@@Sandwichly 0:01 like right there couldn't make it seem like it was just about FNAF right there and like despite this supposed to be a video where we see what the horror game killed the horror genre like this is a very very odd intro talk you know you know you only talking about the success game of FNAF like that's basically the only game you talked about like in the intro talk like you only mentioned the success in the fame of FNAF games unlike your kind of forgetting like there were also very very scary and bestseller horror games that came out that you you are aware of that right
@@Sandwichly like you said ever since their release and most certainly the success of the FNAF games what yeah you kind of make it just sounds like this video was just about that franchise game and and you definitely did not mention any other games besides you know once again what you said ever since the release of FNAF and the success of FNAF games like yeah you could mention more games like that like you could have add-on and said ever since the release of Resident Evil 7 or like or whatever
@@Sandwichly like I really like your video you made right here like I really really do love it but like your kind of just frantic that to mention more other important things to that came came out that you're that was kind of more and much better than FNAF like really there was a lot of other games that were better than FNAF that came out that year and like you could have mentioned other games with the thing you said you know ever since their release and success blank game
Hear me out guys: "Mascot Horror" was huge years before FNaF even existed, and it isn't at fault for "killing" the genre, nor are any of these games... because the genre isn't dead. The concept of horror media that takes something nostalgic and innocent and turns it twisted is absolutely in no way new. There are countless games from the era of FNaF and even predating it that do that, and web series, TV shows and movies from the years and even decades prior to FNaF's release that utilized such a trope. In terms of the barebones concept of turning cutesy colorful children's mascots twisted and evil, none of these games are original, nor are they the reason for the trope's success or its supposed "death": It'll continue to be used long, long after all of these games have faded fro relevance.
Now, I assume that I will get the hate for this, but hear me out: We shouldn't be blaming the MOB devs for what the executives are doing. The DEV team is trying their hardest to make a legitimately good game, and the execs are the ones forcing the merchandise. Plus, they're really focusing on making it a proper horror experience, especially the VHS tapes and the recent trailer for Ch. 3, and the fact that they've abandoned the ZAMination channel and haven't really advertised the merch as much as they used to.
I think you're right, Poppy Playtime is genuinely a good game, it's just MOB Devs that put them in a bad light. Banban however, should be burned on a stake
Personally, I'd get rid of Poppy. The devs seem like horrible people, the game isn't anything special (from what I've seen), and Garten of Banban probably wouldn't exist if Poppy didn't exist. In my opinion, Hello Neighbor didn't hurt mascot horror, it's just a bad franchise. If anything, Bendy probably did the most damage to mascot horror by introducing chapters. At least BATIM and BADR are good games, unlike all the other options.
Chapters are so annoying to me. Imo it just incentives not putting a full game together. But it probably makes them more money so it won't ever change.
I feel like BATIM did have an influence over the way modern mascot horror games now operate-chapter releases, deep lore about human experimentations, some of the character tropes (you cannot tell me that Alice Angel, Mommy Long Legs and Banbellina aren't similar in some way), simple puzzles and frequent annoying fetch quests, etc. HOWEVER I don't believe it was the one to kill the genre mostly because while the game was popular, it wasn't influential enough to change the way mascot horror is made. Back in 2018-2020 there weren't a lot of games out there that really copied the Bendy formula and even if there were, they probably weren't very successful. That was until Poppy Playtime released where we saw a boom in mascot horror games. Compared to the days of BATIM, now there are more of those games to choose from than ever before. Also a lot of them copied things that were present in Poppy: -a bright and colorful environment specifically catering to a younger demographic-check -a colorful horror mascot character that isn't too scary but looks threatening because of sharp teeth and bulging eyes-check -immediate commercialization upon release of the first chapter-check -a gimmick item used to solve simple puzzles and to progress through the game-check -deep lore about experimenting with children souls trapped in those mascots, that can be found not only in the game but also in supplementary material like spin-off books, games, websites, the game files, etc. (though now that I think about it, I think this might have been fnaf's fault)-check -constant stream of fetchquests to keep the player engaged-check -being slightly unpolished in some areas-check Honestly I could go on and on and on, but I don't want this comment to be unnecessarily longer so I will end it with my final verdict-Poppy Playtime ruined the mascot horror genre. Sure Bendy might have been the first, but Poppy popularized this business model. Thank you for coming to my TED-talk.
Tbh it's a shame the people behind it are horrible people, I actually quite like Poppy Playtime, it's story is currently interesting me and I can't help but strive to learn more. (although, it's the founders that are bad, not the ones who make the game, like the designers or coders for example, so I'll just give the credit to them.)
Hello Neighbor was never supposed to be anything huge. The problem is that the devs saw its popularity and decided to try and make it something huge, but it just didn't have that in it. They should've just moved on and used the power of "From the Creators Of" on something genuinely designed to be a bigger, better project.
Garden of banban is not the problem, its a consequence of a steady decline also people complaing how quickly the games drop forget that fnaf did the same thing originally
Exactly. FNAF followed the same formula, but we have to admit the quality was much better. Also do have to acknowledge the difference in audiences for now and then.
I disagree. It’s not that. It’s the damn algorithm itself. Hell I wouldn’t even say sandwichly is exactly… helping in on this. All this is doing is only further making people think that mascot horror is dead when, in the grand scale of things, if we’re talking about these guys: poppynplaytime, hello neighbor, garten and rainbow friends… That’s VERY FEW in the many mascot horror games alone that are far better. I honestly hate how people keep saying mascot horror is dying because insert franchise or insert videogame when,firstly we’re only talking mascot horror and it’s proven that there’s a lot better mascot horrors that people don’t talk about because they like talking about negative things such as good games like Andy’s apple farm, Amanda the adventurer, crow 64, and shipwrecked 64 to name a couple, heck even my friendly neighborhood to welcome home are some good examples in why I feel the term “mascot horror is ruined” or “indie horror is ruined or dying” is a VERY VERY MISLEADING TERM. And I’m sorry if I’m coming off as aggressive, but as somebody who’s been working on soem series relating to some mascot horrors, I feel it’s really important to speak about this cuz these kinds of videos just discourage artists and creators to try anymore. It has for me for awhile at least. It made me terrified to make something because people will endlessly judge it even when I accept criticism. But that’s besides the point, the point is that mascot horror isn’t dead or ruined, but it will be because not just the algorithm itself, but also the fact we keep talking about these kinds of franchises more than it ever deserves.
To be fair, FNAF 1, 2, and 3 are mostly pretty different in terms of gameplay aside from "sitting in a room with cameras". I doubt there are any major gameplay changes between Garten of Banban 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Your forgetting that all banban chapters have released in the same year. FOUR chapters in one year so far probably gonna be 7 chapters by the end of the year which is terrible, fnaf 1 and 2 -2014 fnaf 3 and 4 -2015 fnaf sl -2016 pizza sim -2017 you cant really compare banban to this considering 3 more chapters after fourth one will prob release in 2023
My thoughts? Bendy= unironicly the best Mascout horror game and if they can make the combat good then I unironcily think it will be nigh perfect! Poppy playtime= high quality knows it’s arg lore but the devs had a real SHADYYYY past with everything they did to ekroaster but even he thinks it’s time to forgive them (they did some messed up crap ok) Ban ban= I honestly think ban ban has poteintal as its aware it’s a fever dream and it strives to be stupid fun like that it’s bad but it’s also pretty fun Hello neighbor= the definition of WASTED poteintal. That orginal concept is awsome and the betas for hello neighbor 2 were better than the actual one and I wish it was better it could’ve been and I wish it was That’s just my take on it all
@@b.a.r.f1004 ban ban since the SECOND it came out had been hated. Now it has some potiental and seems to be somewhat gravitating towards it. I’m guessing you weren’t their when hello neighbor originally came out. The beta was good. The horror was actully good with the confined environment, the chase music, and the loud sounds. And the concept they advertised and tried to implement was amazing an AI protecting his home with knowledged of the player. Hello neighbor had oh so much potiental and it was all WASTED for some reason
@@grayemme potential? it's copy over copy with lame puzzles in imense rooms made for you take time enough for you don't be able to refund, withouth talking they want to make 14 chapters in extreme rush with story that leads in absolutelly nothing and each chapter or has the same high price or somehow gets even more expencive, wake up to reality, they want to steal our money.
But to be fair, Garten of Banban isn't really Mascot horror, as it's more adventure than horror. You feel compelled to explore and play the game, whereas in Poppy Playtime, you feel like you're trespassing, that death lurks around every corner, that is horror. Jump scares don't make a horror game, atmosphere does. Gartan of Banban is more akin to Alice in Wonderland, whereas Poppy Playtime is ore akin to SCP.
For me, mascot horror is like a HP bar. It was full of hype in the Fnaf and Batim era. Hello Neighbor started slowly to decrease it and make it smaller. Poppy just made the process faster. The bar was at its 40% when ban came with a knife and cut all the rest to it's death. Yeah, basically Hello Neighbor started, poppy just made the things worse, the banban bros just saw mob way of making money and made something even worse.
Honestly i don't think poppy playtime made it worse, the games are awesome, the bad things are about the controversies outside the game, and hello neighbor was good at the start but got worse, banban is just trash and the creators refuse to make it better
While garten of banban is undoubtably… something, the desire for it to be something more created a fanbase so loyal that it could be co,pared to bioshocks fanbase at this point. Because it’s so simplistic and boring people have gained the courage to expand the concept on their own terms which spawned a wave of fangames so big that it rivales 2015. The lack of anything for banban is it’s greatest potential weakness but also it’s greatest creative strength.
honorable mention: Yandere Simulator not really horror but also goes into the like darker games for Kiddies imo kinda similar story to Hello Neighbor: highly hyped in the first alphas but eventually died
@@Sandwichly it was a game where you had to kill your rivals so your senpai would fall in love with you. kinda in the same time of the first wave of mascot horror but eventually fell into obscurity when the updates stopped for the most part
Fun fact: FNaF wasn’t actually the first mascot horror game. Night of the nuns for the ps1 has both an unbeatable monster that chases you throughout the game and hidden lore that makes up most of the story, so it counts.
i agree! Hello Neighbor would be the one to go...just, in my opinion, not fully for the same reasons you said. I agree with your Hello Neighbor points entirely: the game lost its vision, it had too many awful spinoffs (and merch while we're at it) and it's "saving grace" was mediocre, but, what I disagree with is *why* Garten Of BanBan isnt at the bottom. To tldr my reason: Garten of BanBan is too late in the mascot horror timeline to fix it. To me BanBan was just the game that put crucial nail in a quickling building coffin, removing BanBan is strictly just...removing BanBan, and anyone could make a BanBan replacement that would be just as popular, but if we removed Hello Neighbor then (assuming this was like a removing the effects HN had on the mascot horror scene) we could reverse a lot of what was done while keeping good things like BATDR a possibility yknow?
I’m not too sure why people call hello neighbor a “mascot” horror game I feel it’s more of a “stereotype” horror, kinda like the baby in yellow and Baldi’s basics
tbh i was thinking the same HN was great at the beginning, but then i just went the “PLEASE EXPLORE EVERY PIXEL AND POLYGON OF OUR GAME PLEASE THERE’S LORE I’M BEGGING PLEASE MAKE VIDEOS ABOUT OUR GAME”
Comparing Hello Neighbor and Banban is like comparing a raw chicken breast to a burnt, unseasoned chicken breast, respectfully. I don't want either but if I was being held at gunpoint I'd pick the burnt chicken.
Ima have to say poppy gotta take one for the team. Rainbow friends and BanBan would’ve never existed without the inspiration of poppy… although a great spin and the refreshment to the genre we needed, people just took it and through it off a cliff after poppy’s release
I’m willing to allow Banban as a self aware parody/critique of the genre but Hello Neighbor’s downfall and Poppy’s explicit “This is intended and market for children” just gave me an ick I can’t fully explain
They all introduced certain elements that went on to water down mascot horror as a whole but I don't think any of them are the sole reason for why the genre has been "ruined" or anything like that. I think the real issue is how so many of these horror games are just trying to copy what FNAF has already succeeded at which is why a lot of the modern day mascot horror games are incredibly lifeless, bland, and uninspired. Say what you want about any of these games but trying to shift the blame onto only one of them for "ruining" the mascot horror genre is just unfair imo.
Bendy and the Dark Revival's title isn't just about the game, but RATHER the dark revival of the series as a whole, since during the DEVELOPMENT HELL that Dark Revival went through, people thought the Bendy franchise was DEAD, but Dark Revival managed to reboot the series in a way we could have never expected! Thank you TheMeatly and all who worked so hard on this series 🖤🖤🖤🖤
This is very well-researched and an interesting watch! _"Hello Neighbor"_ is definitely a keeper, and not because it's good. In fact, we should keep it _because_ it's awful. It's a sign to wave and warn other developers "Hey, don't do this! This is what can happen to your game!" It's got its bad moments, and it used to have really good ones. All the points you made are the reasons why it should stay. It used to be a game people would have LOVED but now a ton of people can't stand it. Aspiring game devs, look at _"Hello Neighbor"_ and learn from their mistakes. DynamicPixels, be like your alpha-build Neighbor, and learn from your mistakes! On the _other hand,_ I would choose _"Poppy Playtime."_ Personally, I can't comment on _"Garden of BanBan"_ because I've never played/watched it, and I love Bendy so much that these three others don't deserve its ink stains. _"Poppy Playtime"_ itself is a good game, as you said, but the dev team? Not so much. They're the face of what's wrong with game culture today and in indie form! We get enough of these cash grabbers at high and mighty corporate giants levels, we don't need that trash at indie levels! Fellow devs don't learn anything from Mob, and Mob doesn't learn anything from their mistakes outside of being sneakier. Hardly anything in their _"Dead by Daylight"_ game worked, but the merch link was functional. I couldn't even complete the tutorial because it was so bugged, but I could buy a plushie! Thus, I would take _"Poppy Playtime"_ out.
I feel like hello neighbor is in a case of it’s so bad it’s good, kind of like day one of security breach, it would not be bad to get more games for it because of how funny it is that you can go across the map by putting a box under your feet, hello neighbor 2 is definitely a improvement but garten of ban ban chapter 2 had improved from chapter 1 but it doesn’t mean it is perfect because it’s not trash.
@Marcus_awesome_gaming SB was "bad" because it had bugs they slowly fixed over time, some of which were pretty funny or even fun to exploit though some were game breaking. I hope Steel Wool learned a lot from their mistakes. But HL wasn't bad because of it's bugs. It was bad because of its terrible downward spiral into bad gameplay and story. SB still had fun gameplay and some story.
I blame poppy playtime it’s not the worst game on this list (that would go to ban ban) but I think poppy playtime kinda made this genre a whole cashgrab
Ngl all Mob Ent. had to do was say "Bro some mf in the team said that if we made NFTs it would immediately make the game scarier so thats what we did" and they would've been off the hook fr
I do agree with your thought that hello neighbor was the cause because I've been hearing that mascot horror has been dying even before ban ban. another thing with the planned movie for poppy playtime, keep in mind that the fnaf movie was announced when the series was about only 8 months old.
Really good point. My only counter is that FNAF 3 had released and it was supposed to be the last game in the FNAF franchise and the end of the story Scott wanted to tell. FNAF 4 was only made because people claimed Scott had lost his ability to make a scary game. Hence, FNAF 4 was made. I give FNAF a pass because it had told a complete story whereas Poppy Playtime has failed to do that yet.
Bendy is very aestheticly pleasing, poppy got very good recently, banban hasn't done anything yet. I'm gonna say hello neighbor because it promised what it could not deliver and U-turned from its original vision.
Five Nights at Freddy's released 4 games within a year, yet contrast to BanBan, it had quality and effort in it. And keep in mind, it was one guy, Scott Cawthon. Also, (I am genuinely asking,) what about Hello Neighbor makes it a "mascot horror game?' With mascot horror, you take everyday objects/products, and give a horror spin on it, like FNAF with animatronics, Bendy with cartoons, Poppy Playtime with toys, and... to an extent, BanBan with kindergarten. Hello Neighbor is just you going up against a messed up neighbor with a sketchy past. If anything, it's more of a "survival thriller game," than a "mascot horror game." Also one major pro Hello Neighbor has over BanBan: I can tell what I'm up against. What is Jumbo Josh supposed to be? What is BanBan supposed to be? With the exception of a few characters, they look so grotesque and disgusting, that I would willingly play the other Hello Neighbor games NUMEROUS times. At least my eyes won't be engulfed in flames when I look at the visuals. I respect your opinion, this is just my opinion as well, but I say that BanBan DESCIMATED the state of indie horror, as people think its okay by adding the bare bone effort into making these games now.
To my knowledge, Hello Neighbor is included in the genre because it was popular around the same time frame and seemed like it was trying to emulate other mascot horror games.
The mascot horror genre had already been slightly fading by the time of poppy playtime but that doesn’t mean poppy was a bad game, not at all, but Garten of ban ban was the finishing blow for it
I still don't know why bendy is hated bro, I mean really it's a fine indie game for what it is and had a decent sequel as well. Bendy is based af, hello neighbor was what did everything in really.
Fnaf , bendy , hello neighbor , baldi , granny and all of that shit were fine But if it wasn’t for trending becoming a word stuff like poppy playtime , rainbow friends and banban wouldn’t be like they are now I honestly think we are the true killers here , we ruined the genre by making it go trending when it was maybe time for it to die out
Hello Neighbor definitely started the downfall of mascot horror, but saying that it's the only reason is a lie. I would also address this to the success of Poppy playtime. After it was release mascot horror continued it's descent. The only problem I'll attribute to Garten of Banban is trying to get people to buy merch basically at the start of franchise. But it's not Garten who started this trend, so it's not Euphoric brothers fault entirely. I'll even give them respect for trying to make something good. I just think they don't need to rush chapters. The game that is actually a good example of genre going downhill is Sparky Marky. Whole story of second chapter feels AI generated so much. In his video, Markiplier confirmed that he hasn't played the first chapter. And he was very confused about everything in the story of the game. A lot of comments were contributing this to Mark skipping first chapter, but under them were replies, that people were confused as well even with the knowledge of the story of the first chapter. Chapters just feel like completely different stories. Another problem I see with this game is "notes" mechanic. Half of the "notes" you find in the game are just discord bot commands, that you have to use on the developers server. For me it doesn't feel as a way to make the lore more interactive, but just an attempt to attract more people to their server. So, in the the end I would remove Poppy playtime
I would agreed with you if i want go back in time make kept hello guest new game like way way better than hello neighbor, and i would get rid and remove Poppy playtime and Gartan of banban and maybe cancelled yanderan simulator and let police arrest creator of yanderen simulator for illegal stuff
for some reason, the gunshot at 5:43 scared me so bad, and i was so confused at myself as to why i jumped, and when i was going back to grab the timestamp for this comment, i scared myself again. dunno whats wrong with me lol
Honestly I really hate Garten of banban but it has this charm to it by being the opposite to other horror games instead of making a good game and making it worse they made a bad game and are making it better it’s honestly kinda refreshing also big Larry actually ruined indie horror trusted me
1. bendy could save mascot horror, it’s honestly a great game and I really enjoy the concept. And it’s not even bias, bendy actually could. 2. Poppy, I mean, it’s not that bad, the 3rd chapter coming out and that’s definitely gonna be a good spike in sales for the game. 3. Hello Neighbor. This game man…It used to be good but it’s not that good anymore. I only like it because of the tiny bit of nostalgia I get when watching it playing it. 4. Gobb is well, not the best but I do like what the brothers are doing are doing and the concept of it honestly isn’t that bad. anyway, good video.
Ok, lemme give a statement. Lets say there's a coffin in a room with five holes for nails to go in, and a crowbar and hammer on the wall next to it. FNAF made the room itself, carved the coffin, and bought the tools and nails from Home Depot. The next 3 did nothing to help or hurt. Hello Neighbor nailed one of the nails in halfway. Sister Location hit another nail in 25%, (it wasn't that bad, but I'm too tired to do precise measurements, its night time) BATIM took it out about 25 percent. So far, we have 2 nails in the coffin that are each 25% in. You get it? Good, cause its gonna get so much worse. I'll need to give updates every now and then just for some to keep up. Prepare for a mouthful: Pizzeria Sim, UCN, and Help Wanted did nothing. Security Breach hit that nail in 50%. Poppy Playtime hit another nail in 25%, then came back and hit it all the way in. (So 100%, 25%, 0%, 0%, 75% so far) Garden of Banban (1 and 2) took 2 nails and hit them in 100% each. (100%, 100%, 100%, 25%, 75%) Banban 3 took 1 of those nails and took it out 50%. Here comes FNAF again! Ruin got two of those nails and hit one out completely, then got one out halfway. (50%, 50%, 0%, 25%, 75%,) And that my fellow readers, is the end of the story. No I will not improve any further, take this template and do what you wish with it. Goodbye. I'll see you around.
Popular idea: Poppy Playtime is basically when your friend asks to copy your homework and you say to change it up to not make it look obvious, the friend being Poppy, and you being Bendy
One of the biggest reasons why I would remove HN and not GOBB id because of how they got bad. GOBB was bad from the start, there was no effort put into it, it was low quality, and overall was basically a cashgrab. HN on the other hand, originally was going to be a good horror game, however the devs were blinded by marketability and fame that they lost the core mechanic of the game in favor of filling their pockets. When a game is bad, it's bad. But when a game that had potential to be really good turns into a cashgrab that can be marketed, that's when I have a problem. So overall, HN gets the bin.
Since I never really seen it, my assumption for banban is that its a satire of the mascot horror genre. I believe your conclusion that hello neighbor started the downfall of mascot horror as poppys playtime and banban were made after and influenced by hello neighbor. Without it those two wouldn't exist.
I KNOW I KNOW IM LATE but me personally i find that poppy playtime while being a good game in itself, used bright colors and easily identifiable characters which is very good for one thing content farms, it left an example that you can easily just make a game similar to poppy playtime with less effort but still have all those bright colors and characters and make a lot of money doing that, many games have been made due to this such as garden of banban, rainbow friends etc. leading to the downfall of the genre (sometimes i feel it was intentional)
I agree with your loser pick. FNaF has it's flaws, but its THE Staple of Mascot Horror. Bendy had a rough time at first, but became AMAZING with the release of Dark Revival. Poppy Playtime was uhh... the lead directors or so are bad people, but why punish the people that just made the games for fun? Hello Neighbor is definitely the loser. Not only did they retroactively make things canon and retconned because of theories, but they also tried to get MatPat to make more theories on their games and books and show. Defending Garten of Ban Ban with you, the 1st game was a joke, the 2nd game was petty, but now I just see the 3rd game as them just making something for fun. It DOES have a story, and they aren't deviating from it. You can NOT tell me they're trying to make an uber serious game now, with that freaking car scene- lmao.
I'm glad you agree. However, I disagree. The Poppy playtime story of crowdfunding and all that wins me zero sympathy. The second they could, they tried reaching for NFTs and with a younger audience I found that unacceptable. And don't get me started and the stupidity of Hello Neighbor trying to get a theory of Matpat like that. Wat a joke.
@@Sandwichly thats fair. Everyone has their own opinion and different reasons to hate/like people or groups. Also yeh. I love making fun of that Hello Neighbor thing. Lmfao
Hello Neighbor don't have jumpscare but their storline are great, it should be thriller game instead indie horror. But garden of banban...., ugh those character design. the are copied popp playtime and based and gets popular b Friday Night Funkin.
@@littlegoat713yeah I love when it the first used to be stealth horror game and the crew really wanted to make the game good and scary.Too bad they lost themselves because of popular it was and begs Mat to do theories and ask let’s players to play their game without having care or passion to make a good stealth horror game.
@@littlegoat713 i know this was 4 months ago...but hmmm whenever i see Garten of Ban Ban...i just want to burn this game with fire. dude they are already making the 6th game of the franchise and has it has not been more than a year. Shame on the Euphoric brothers. Scott Cawthon took years to make 6 games...Euphoric brothers are rushing more and more. DO YOU TRULLY WANT TO PLAY A RUSHED GAME???
If the question is about saving the "Mascot Horror" genre then Bendy has to go. It's the one that really made it trendy outside of FNAF and led to its modern counterparts.
@@lmaobox4068 If you played the game you'll understand why. The game is much, much more than a Mascot Horror. It's no longer "Oh! This mascot looks cute but it will kill me! Oh my god! So scary!" It's more of a "My father crated a whole new world made of ink where monsters, a new society reside and it even has its own infrastructure and cosmology? How can I get out of here?" So it's easy to say Bendy is no longer a mascot Horror, it's trying to be something else, and it's working.
It's honestly kind of sad that Bendy gets lumped in with Poppy Playtime and Garten of Banban nowadays bc, it is leaps and bounds ahead of all the other games here. Poppy Playtime is definitely the most generic one here. It's definitely fun to play and is very well made, but it can be pretty uninspired at times. Garten of Banban is probably objectively the worst game here, but now the devs seem to be taking it at a parody angle and if nothing else, it's fing hilarious and an ironic masterpiece. Hello Neighbor is genuinely lifeless. It started off promising but just got worse and worse and worse as time went. The game is buggy, poorly made, and borderline unplayable and the puzzles feel like they were made for an NES game 30 years ago. Bendy is good, Poppy is well-made, Banban is at the very least ironically enjoyable, but Hello Neighbor? It's genuinely worthless, and I'd even go as far as to say it's my least favorite game of all time.
Honestly many people say that these games are trying to copy fnaf and are succeeding but honestly, they aren't really copying fnaf. Sure, the mascots are bright and colorful but that's one of the things games can steal from fnaf but honestly. I think we are all forgetting the game that started indie horror or horror games itself. Amnesia the dark decent is a master crafted game. I'd say these games are trying to copy more amnesia or fnaf mixed. The 3d gameplay is from amnesia and the colorful mascots are from fnaf.
I don't believe any of these games killed the mascot horror genre but Hello Neighbor could have done better and Banban is just a quick cash grab that has definitely hurt the genre.
no i'd get rid of all of them i dont give a crap bendy: made it have WAY to much damn lore making games do the same poppy playtime: annoying fandom hello neighbor: way too glitchy and garden of Banban: started the full downfall of all of the games + poppy playtime and bendy's bad things combined
Im not too sure with this because after ban ban was released. There was no real good mascot horror game with the exception of Maybe "My Friendly Neighborhood" (I haven't played that one yet) that ended up being popular to some extent. Ultimately Hello Neighbor is worse but I would have combined chapters 1-3 together + some more tweaking and Polishing and released it as 1 package instead of 3 chapters, or have it face the wall
I figured it would be either Banban or Neighbour. Banban lacks a lot of the appeal of the other games, but it's pretty easy to tell early on if you're going to enjoy it or not. If you don't like Banban, at the very least, it doesn't waste too much of your time. Neighbour on the other hand had a very strong start, got fans hyped for the mystery of what the neighbour was hiding with each new build of the game, and then changed their direction to focus on the MC's trauma. Now, a story of recovering from trauma is perfectly respectable, but it was so far from what the game advertised itself as that it only adds to the hurt of the mess that the game came out as. It took so much time from players for a mediocre at best experience that it's arguably made worse than Banban for that fact alone.
I think Hello Neighbor is the culprit. Not only is it a bad game, as Phisnom himself proved, but it had WAY too big of a reach when it was popular. I remember seeing books of it on sale at Schoolastic School events, despite knowing what the game was but never seeing any gameplay (probably because it was so bad). It made a bad game that was more focused on people talking about it rather than making a good game. Poppy Playtime is actually a good game with a really interesting story. I think it’s trying to be interesting and has some good ideas and mechanics. Bendy, while it did contribute to the issue, was pretty reasonable and kept it’s story consistent and didn’t try to make 10+ games. They had their original and their sequel, that’s been it for like a decade. They didn’t do the greatest, but Hello Neighbor just blows it out of the water with the amount of shit they tried to pull. Garten of BanBan is a clear and stupid cash-grab, but I think the Mascot-Horror genre was already in a weird place when that came out. Also, there’s not a single person who takes Garten of BanBan as a serious game, so it doesn’t even deserve the “Mascot-Horror” title.
I don’t think people realize how old mascot horror is, just think of Friday the 23th or Halloween which have mascots that are more known than the franchise itself
I adore Bendy. I love Banban just because its hilarious, especially the chapter 4 Choo Choo Charles Cutscene. I think Poppy Playtime is overrated because its story isnt that good (Compared to Bendy and FNAF). And finally, I think Hello Neighbor is trash.
The thing with banban is that its profited off of the problems of mascot horror. Its a terrible game and highlights the downfall of mascot horror however mascot horror was getting worse before its release. My vote is for hello neighbour as its the epitome of bad and shoehorned in lore. Its what showed poppy and banban whats profitable.
Bendy definitely started the downward trend. Main guys made the first game in five days, realized "oh, we can make a lot of money from this" and then improvised their way through four sequels, none of which were any good -- which is what every mascot horror game that you list after Bendy *also* did. So, if we're asking which game started the downward trend, it was absolutely Bendy. Yes, maybe the Bendy lore "makes [you] want to learn more" but objectively, if we're looking at the original series of games as they were, few if any of those questions the community had were answered satisfactorily -- and if they were, it's most likely because the devs literally took the ideas of the community without credit and added them to the game. FNAF has had a similar problem, actually, so an argument might be made that FNAF is actually where some of those underlying problems started, but I would argue Bendy is the first game that actively abused them -- and we know this because the devs are on record saying as much. They've also done a bunch of other shady stuff since the first release. On the other side, Hello Neighbor is a curious case, in that the devs had an original idea for a game . . . but developed their way out of it along the way, and then were bought out by a larger company that wanted to use the property solely to make money. Of course, it has a bad name now, but there was absolutely something to get excited about initially which they then did the Bendy thing to and made bad. Also, whether or not they could actually implement their adaptive AI sufficiently (which is what initially excited people) is debatable, so that it fell into the same problems as Bendy and the others may have been inevitable. The fact that the earlier Alpha versions of the game are considered the best versions by most says enough about that. The other two are followers in their entirety, made because other games in the genre were incredibly profitable, and they are transparently so.
Mascot horror isn't dying it's just being ruined by people who see it as another content farm. Nonetheless I do have to agree with your points. FNAF does have its problems but it's ultimately what started all of this, BATIM didn't age well it's just a bad game and is what started the influx of mascot horror games constantly crapping out clones of other games (which is the reason why games such as poppy playtime and garten of BanBan exist in the first place) but it did sort of redeem itself with BATDR, say what you want about poppy playtime but everything after chapter 1 is legitimately high quality and the devs (aside from mob) are for the most part okay people, garten of BanBan is shit but it's definitely not the worst out of all of them, hello neighbor is just the culmination of everything that is wrong with mascot horror it deserved its failure.
In my opinion bendy is a phenomenon, poppy playtime is good, Garten of banban is not good, but not bad, and hello neighbor is... Ummm... not that good. So, yeah I agree with this list. Great job.
ch 1 was not free at first? It was 5 dollars so that the studio could make easy money (they had plenty of money already). Since it took off, they saw the need to have a demo for their game, so they just made ch 1 free.
I would say that Bendy added more to the horror genre as it popularised a more active gameplay loop than that of fnaf's ( by no means it's gameplay is boring, but sometimes it's ridiculous when you are a sitting duck). Hello neighbor didn't have an actual impact in this horror genre itself, it just showed how to make a game in general. Garten of banban nails everything in the wrong way and it's probably the reason as to why there's the "mascot horror is dead" rumor .
Yeah, I agree that Bendy added a lot. Bendy was good because the story came first. With some of these new games, I'd argue the money was prioritized above all else.
I say Hello neighbor, but because it was the least improved overall. 3 spin off games, 2 main games, several early builds, and even a pilot episode, yet still suffers. Plus, maybe without Hello neighbor, ban ban might not exist. Banban was trash, through and through, and would have gone under the radar if uhyeah didnt meme it (not hating him, love his vids!). Nobody expected great things from banban, and we should ignore it. H.N. did thoug.
Uhyeah is a big content creator. But compare that Banban vid with 700k views to the millions other creators had just one vid. Uhyeah didn't make Banban more popular than it was, just voiced an opinion concerning it.
I'm mostly with you on Garten of Banban. I've watched Markiplier's playthroughs of 1 and 2, and reading about the cases I'm so curious about what they'll all add up to! The gameplay really needs to be edited and optimized like you said (it feels like a lot is just there to increase play time), but I'm still into it!
I'm also gonna say it wasn't Banban's fault because it was already going downhill before the release. Mascot horror just stopped being scary, and just started to become essential cash grabs, which ban ban is the embodiment of. I'm not defending ban ban. Having a constant release flow of poorly made games doesn't make the series good. I'd rather have a series with a single good game than multiple sucky games. If I were to blame a specific series though, I just wouldn't know who to blame.
Technically the first popular game considered to be a "mascot horror" would have been the define result to the "death" of "mascot horror" as without the original mascot horror there would be little to no chance of newer and lesser games following suite. Without the existence of the first-ever mascot horror game the mascot horror brand / concept would never die, this however, would also mean that the genre would cease to exist. Sorry, when I can't sleep I write essays on UA-cam
Bendy was really good, Hello neighbor was good too but if they kept the same art style and gameplay since Alpha 1, but I still love both. Poppy playtime a tiny bit scary and then Garten of banban witch was not scary the characters were too colorful. but the green key room in Hello neighbor was kind of scary NGL BTW Hello neighbor 2 was too easy that I beat it in one day
Exactly, Hello Neighbor 2 had the possibility of saving everything and instead left everyone with a very "meh" experience. While your complaint of Banban is fair, I can't hate on the hype and future it has to Hello Neighbor's slow death
0:01 the answer is banban! Hello neighbor is just glitchy but has great and cryptic lore without being too complicated. Bendy is probably only 15% less popular than Fnaf, Poppy Playtime is just Fnaf and batim’s love child with a coat of toys R us slapped on… but banban is a bad game with strange lore, terrible gameplay, low quality, and is just poppy playtime if you melted it down and molded it with ai and terrible voice acting. The only redeeming quality is that the game come out every 4-6 months so the hype is always alive (especially for content farms)
Hello neighbor and my friendly neighborhood arent tied together tho right? Cuz I like friendly neighborhood, I jus didn't think it was connected to hello neighbor
@@SandwichlyNot at all connected. I think the mascot horror genre is alive and well, fans just focus too much on the blemishes. That said, a blemish in the genre is kinda subjective as I actually kinda like Ban Ban, but ironically. My Friendly Neighborhood impressed me, though. Have you ever played Hello Puppets? It’s horrifically underrated. Both MFN and HP have immense lore to crack open, too. Check them out.
But to me, My friendly neighborhood is not mascot Horror. The game plays more like a traditional spooky survival game. I don't get the Poppy Playtime, BanBan, Hello Neighbor vibes from this one. Just cause the creators who cover mascot Horror are covering this doesn't mean it's part of that genre.
@@Sandwichly maybe. And whether theyre right or wrong in my friendly neighborhood being that, the point still stands that some franchises aren’t the thing that’s actually ruining a genre or a medium like mascot horror or indie horror, but more so the backlashes it’s getting. While to an extent it’s justified, we’re giving it so much dang popularity because we keep making so many negative videos about it. This rings true for garten of ban ban. Which to me is basically something you’d expect from roblox or maybe mobile horror games, it’s not new, and yet people made it popular not simply because of UA-cam let’s players, which while I do think has a part in it, it’s mainly that of the people saying “This franchise ruined this genre!” “Batim ruined indie horror!” “Here is why ban ban killed mascot horror.” It legit undermines people who have been working hard to make their games or media, even if it’s mascot horror related.. and make them feel as though they shouldn’t even try anymore. That’s how I’ve felt with this at least, part of the bigger issue other than the algorithm is the way people are acting upon this.
Five Nights At Freddy’s (2014) The Main reason indie horror games exist and Totally didn’t rip off Chuck E Cheese. Bendy: (2017) Solve puzzles while a monstered version of a children’s cartoon kills you Granny (2017) Solve clues while a monster family member tries to kill you. Hello Neighbor (2017) Solve clues while a stalker neighbor tries to kill you. Baldi (2018) Solve math problems while a creepy teacher tries to kill you. Piggy (2020) Solves mysteries while a granny version of a kids show tries to kill you. Poppy Playtime (2021) Solve puzzles while a blue monster tries to kill you. Rainbow Friends (2022) Go into an abandoned factory while a giant blue monster tries to kill you Choo Choo Charles (2022) Solve mysteries while a spider version of your favorite train cartoon tries to kill you. Garten of Ban Ban (2023) Go into an abandoned kindergarten while colorful characters try to kill you.
I agree with u so much i think garten of banban kinda saved it the reason of that is cus We were just waiting for poppy playtime chapter 3 and so much more to reasle but boom garten of banban came out and if garden of banban didnt come out we would still be waiting and then horror genre would start to die oyt
I remember when I was watching bendy and the ink machine when I was in 11th grade I remember when I was supposed to be studying but instead would be watching bendy and the ink machine. Bendy is a nostalgic masterpiece
I actually prefer Banban to all three others. I just wasn’t there for bendy, Hello Neighbor is Hello Neighbor, and I just quickly lost interest in Poppy’s playtime. Plus I just love Banbans humor
to all people saying poppy playtime is bad just renember the creators worked hard just for people to trash them like why but hey poppy playtime 3 is out and its pretty scary so maybe it can make yall stop hating about it.
Poppy playtime is actually really good and they take their time releasing chapters and is actually pretty scary, Hello neighbour could of been a really good concept if they took it in another direction but it just fumbled all together, And garten of banban ruined mascot horror they do not take time on their chapters the voice lines are clumsy the game has the most random plot (chapter 4 being the most random) and the devs of banban hated the fact that people refunded their game which in my opinion the refunds were deserved for the terrible short chapters but i will give banban one thing i get excited for the chapters just to see how much more terrible and worse it can get not because its a entertaining game, And batim was just a neat and amazing concept i could see how people didnt like the game being in chapters but i dont get how it could ever ruin mascot horror. -Note this is my opinion feel free to disagree Unless your trying to defend banban then you cant disagree Edit: (And yes mascot horror has not died i agree with the people saying that its just been bad recently)
I love half of these games but banban has to go because I feel like its being tore down by all the little kids and view farms that are on youtube and horrible character ripoffs that are more popular then the actual characters it is a good franchise but I feel like something is missing or being miss used
Five nights at Freddy's came out and did a decent job, but perhaps has overstayed its welcome a tad. Bendy and the ink machine was a sizable project, and I genuinely believe they tried their best to put something of quality out. Poppy Playtime is a shameless cashgrab by a shameless company. The quality is... Middling, let's be honest. The scares aren't terrible, but the art direction screams rampant marketing, same as Rainbow Friends and same as Banban. When you look at Mob as a whole, they're just a bunch of assholes marketing to children with design, lore, and genre. Banban is bad. Everything you said about it could be said about all the others. The only difference is the others had a veneer of quality. Between a total lack of skill, polish, storytelling, scares, and development, it is simply the worst series and the fact that it is being platformed as much as it is is more of a problem than a grace point. But the thing is, they are the symptom, but not the root of the disease. Hello neighbor saw everything Five nights at Freddy's was doing, and abandoned everything it was working towards to steer towards it. They wanted bigger, they wanted better, they wanted to sell off everything about the actual heart of the series, and they wanted money over quality. You can see as time has gone on they have abandoned every possible goal laid for them, both by themselves and by the community, and have single-handedly dug their own grave. Bendy and the ink machine was colored by fnaf, no pun intended, but it remained itself. Hello neighbor stripped away all of the effort and inspiration in order to chase after something that it was never meant to be. While Banban and Poppy are devoid of soul and self respect, it was *Hello Neighbor* that showed them that they didn't have to try. It was Neighbor that singlehandedly proved that you didn't have to have a soul to make a franchise. They are to blame for the circumstances we find ourselves in. They laid the foundations that mirror tokenism and checkbox filling of FNAF was enough to make a name for yourself. While Poppy does not deserve the adoration some give it, and while Banban needs to be entirely forgotten, it was neighbor that introduced the disease.
@@tatarchan5212 I genuinely cannot stand the franchise. The scares work from time to time, But the more you look into the brand and the people who are running it the veneer of artistry gets wiped away, and all you have left is a paint by numbers, algorithmically profitable franchise aimed directly at children with absolutely no shame about hypermonetizing every aspect. The moment I saw their animation channel I knew that the whole series was just a cash grab. When you look at the things they've tried to pull and the short time since the game came out, it gets clearer and clearer that the entire series exists to check as many boxes as possible. It has no soul. Even if the game play was good, and they somehow fixed it to make it a half decent game, it would still be an unforgivable mess.
Comparing poppy to banban is the most insane thing ive heard i agree with the hello neighbour and banban parts but fnaf overstaying its welcome? You can say that for any game that has made multiple sequels and prequels
@@FactoryMyths You look at Mob Games animation channel, their excessive merchandise, and the *NFTSs* and tell me they weren't here to make a buck. Quality was middling, lore was bad, but they still followed the theorist bait *JUST LIKE ALL OF THEM DID* in an effort to copy FNAF. Poppy and Banban are *the same damn game* the only difference is one of them knew how to dress it up better. I'm a FNAF fan, don't get me wrong, but at a certain point the lore got less storydriven and more complex for complexity. Is the crying child even still relevant? Is the antagonist of the series still part of the story, or is the retcon surprise character from a scholastic book supposed to replace him? Why was there a Springtrap mpreg story? *Why was there a Springtrap mpreg story? WHY WAS THERE A FUCKING SPRINGTRAP MPREG STORY?* At a certain point we hit critical mass, let's be fair.
@@thefrogthatknows5251 1 that springtrap mpreg story is book lore and will NEVER be canon in game lore because if it was the whole community would just give up and 2 poppy playtime is 10x better then banban i can understand the marketing things and all that but poppy actually takes their time on chapters has amazing graphics and has way better lore then banban its also way more scary then banban not to mention they dont rely on random plot and clumsy voicelines with terrible character designs oh and they dont release their chapters every 3 or 4 months like banban so comparing poppy to banban you cant really say that also by the time it reaches december there will most likely be 6 chapters out in banban in 1 year.
From all of these games, Hello Neighbor and Bendy are the only ones that can't be killed. You just can't forget all that theories, yt videos, mods... for the games you loved.
The idea of Bendy is pretty interesting to me. It’s about how a hate filled man created a cartoony horror world to torment an ink version of his former coworker in a machine, and every time the former coworker “bested” the main villain (which is a more monstrous version of a popular cartoon character) everything would reset, creating a “time loop” of sorts, all while the former coworker retained the memories of his previous loops.
Gonna be honest, Bendy was my first time playing mascot horror.
its a very well handled concept imo
@@zallyboii no it doesn't the develop make second game called "Dark Revival" but the failed horror elements and I don't see any scary things. So many wasted characters potential, absolutely feminist agenda.
@@imserious592 when people have opinions
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FNAF is FNAF, Hello Neighbour expanded the genre, Bendy made it popular outside of FNAF and Poppy's Playtime combined it with existing narratives and real world mystery. I'll let you guess who's left.
Rainbow Friends?
@@Sandwichly get this man a prize.
While Hello Neighbour died out quickly, it's legacy along stomps rainbow friends.
@@SandwichlyRainbow Friends is just run, hide, keys. Same concept as Hello Neighbor but dumber.
I find the gameplay of rainbow friends kinda fun but is it considered horror?
Hello Neighbor did not "expand the genre".. I'd say Bendy did that. Poppy Playtime and Garten of Banban are just symptoms of a bigger problem that started with Hello Neighbor.. The creator harassing MatPat on twitter baiting for a game theory vid should tell you all you need to know.
I remember watching all of DanTDM's videos on Hello Neighbour, including the alpha builds, when I was younger, and I swear it felt like a different game each time. Though I do remember thinking the concept of an AI learning to secure the house was cool, but noticed a distinct lack of that in the final game.
I believe that a better model for Hello Neighbor would have been to not release a finished game, but to rather release the game at one price, but to release FREE DLC houses consistently adding new challenges, tasks, and layouts. Keeping consistent content for people to play and when time passes they release a second game with updated graphics and do the same thing.
@@Sandwichly Well, we have mods. Does that count for something?
I loved that series when I was younger…
I watched those too! I loved Alpha 2, and was disappointed there wasn't as much Shark on an upstairs floor. Dan is a true gift. Have you been watching his FNAF VR 2 series? It's pretty epic.
Honestly, Bendy was the one who helped start the "Fetch Questy" aspect of Mascot Horror and I believe that future games, like Banban and Poppy, were more inspired by it and from their further success, has created what we see of the genre now, with more bland and boring puzzles than actual intense horror that other horror genres have achieved
Fetch quests have been part of everything, but you might make a point. I have started seeing more fetch quests of late.
Yeah,the GP in batim Is honestly not the greatest...but like everything else Is good,characters,voice acting,artstyle,designs,animation,story/lore,envirements,etc
The the dark revival put good GP into it and Made everything else not just good,but great,amazing even
@@Beowolf-jy5rci dont get why so many people hate on poppy playtime so much... Dont connect what the developers do, like nfts, to the game they make.
@@Beowolf-jy5rc i mean your comment quite literally has to be deciphered to be understood
Poppy copied Bendy basically
The problem with mascot horror is TRYING to be a new FNAF, not trying to be an interesting game to begin with.
Banban is an awful game, but blaming it for the state of the genre is being very unfair.
Banban isn't guilty of anything that others haven't done yet.
It's just the reflection of the poor state of the genre, a shallow Unity conjunction of rooms with 2 or 3 mindless puzzles that ends in a basic chase sequence. Lots of "LORE" looking for the next Game Theorists video that even GT disliked the game as a whole.
100%. As I said and will continue to say, gaming is in a weird space now where the success of the game can rely on the content creators who make videos/streams about it and promote it to their audience. They may not be intenionally promoting the game, but making a video even if you are critical of the game still promotes it.
Nothing will ever beat FNAF I'm sorry. FNAF has it's cons but it's something no other mascot horror can beat
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As much as I appreciate the game, I have to acknowledge that poppy playtme marked the downfall of mascot horror. Its lore, gameplay, etc. is, at least to me, extremely entertaining, and the jumpscares are scary. I vividly remember in chapter 2, practically having a heart attack during nearly the entire game, even AFTER watching multiple playthroughs (which happened to a lesser degree in chapter 1) Unfortunately, their amazing horror is overshadowed by their cashgrabs. I love the game but I absolutely think that it started/exacerbated the issue with children's horror.
100%. I hope I made it clear that I don't dislike the game/product they made for a development standpoint. However, everything around it seems to show how Mob Entertainment really feels and wants to act.
This is so god damn true. The game is wonderful, I can tell the devs worked very hard on it. But it really did start the downfall.
My 3 year old cousin has poppy playtime plushies that just shows how trash it is
@@DarkHaise32xshorts how the hell does that make it trash? I had FNaF figures when I was younger. Does that make FNaF trash?
@@CrungleTheGoober same but we weren't 3 years old and just learning how to walk when we got them 💀
I definitely think Bendy and Poppy Playtime didn’t kill it. Hello Neighbor was such a good concept, but it got ruined.
Hello Neighbor is such a sad story. I still love the first 2 chapters of the game, beyond that absolutely no redeeming qualities
Nah poppy playtime sucks, especially mob games
@@goonking420 I mean, even if you don’t like, a bunch people do and that’s why I don’t think it killed the mascot horror franchise.
I do like Poppy Playtime because its really good, but Rainbow Friends and Banban ruined the game
I don't think Bendy exactly killed it more like layed the standard formula for most mascot Horror games , of being in an abandoned factory or studio
Personally, I don't think "mascot horror" exists, each horror game surrounds a specific type of horror.
Fnaf = Paranormal and Sci Fi Horror
(animatronics possessed by spirits and weird futuristic killer robots.)
Batim = existential horror (take a look at Dark Revival)
Poppy Playtime = Body horror
(take a look at the last few VHS on the channel.)
But if you ask me, the thing that killed "mascot horror" would be Rainbow Friends, like, it's trying to cash in on this "genre" and it fails so horribly, and yet, thousands of players play it for whatever reason.
Also I love the foreshadowing in the thumbnail where Huggy has a sign with an arrow pointing toward the neighbour, I find that very neat lol
OH MY!!!! YOU WERE THE FIRST TO NOTICE IT!
@@Sandwichly Cool!
@@sunsetlover123-y7c you deserve a Nutri-grain bar!
@@sunsetlover123-y7c nice to see someone also noticed it
Poppy playtime: behind the scenes horror
I feel like Garten of BanBan 1 was just a test for the creators to see how well they do, and when they saw the fame, instead of improving and working on the second game to be worth the cash, they rushed making it as fast as possible to stay in the fame, making it what it is.
Didn’t 2 people only worked on the game
@@HenryStickmin64470 Didn't only one person created FNAF?
@@rafaelascencao6045 A game with prerendered models is waaay easier to program.
Fnaf consists of prerendered pictures and animations.
The first two chapters were hot garbage. By chapter three though they seemed to have realised nobody liked it and instead made it a series that makes fun of the mascot horror genre.
Still dont like the game though. However the kangaroo crotch laser will always be funny to me.
@@rafsandomierz5313 Sorry didn't Scott made the models for FNAF? all alone by himself? compared to the Euphoric brothers who couldn't create good renders.
I would say over-saturation “killed” this subgenre. Whenever stuff becomes too popular and all over the place, people complain, regardless of quality. People just like to complain, and there is a ton of mascot horror out there right now. Something either needs to be of really high quality or unique in order to escape this.
I wouldn’t say it was cuz people like to complain. I would say it died cuz it started to tiring. It just got more and more repetitive.
I would say it was probably Poppy Playtime that killed it (and maybe the FNaF). It felt like the advertising for Poppy Playtime was very “in ur face”. Plus, all those fan made games just made it things worse. Imo, it feels like BATIM 2.0.
You could argue that FNaF also might’ve helped in killing the subgenre. There are so many games in the franchise, it feels. I mean, FNaF 3 was supposed to be the last game, but then he kept on making more. Personally, I didn’t think it got tiring until after FNaF 6 where it gave you a perfect ending for the franchise, but they still kept on going. Like, just put the franchise out of it’s misery already.
Hello Neighbor just tried to follow the trend FNAF started. But unlike things like Bendy, it wasn't made to work as "Mascot Horror". It was a chasing action puzzle game with a learning AI. But the developers just started to focus and i mean LASER BEAM FOCUS in complex lore and making everything more exaggerated.
Because, in FNAF you have haunted or just super robots, in Bendy you have ink and rubberhose style characters, even in Poppy Playtime you have toys that look like real toys.
Yeah, Hello Neighbour lore is absolutely wild. I’ve read all the books and played most of the games, but I don’t even completely understand it
I always say that Mascot Horror NEVER died, just Was/Is in a Bad Time where there aren't enough good ones out there.
But yeah i blame Hello Neighbor for it all, it had SO much potential, and it was thrown out. Which makes me Mad and Sad, knowing THIS Game could have been something awesome...
Hello Neighbor also showed that even though your franchise is down badly, you can still find a way to make good money. Now some of these mascot Horror franchises can feel confident putting trash out there knowing they can still make bank.
@@Sandwichly like the beginning sing will you said something about FNAF like why did it sound like or make it sound or look like you were talking about just like FNAF and which you know all of those three UA-camrs play different cool hurricanes to you know like Resident Evil 7 like so you just kind of make it look like and sound like they only play that all the time
@@Sandwichly 0:01 like right there couldn't make it seem like it was just about FNAF right there and like despite this supposed to be a video where we see what the horror game killed the horror genre like this is a very very odd intro talk you know you know you only talking about the success game of FNAF like that's basically the only game you talked about like in the intro talk like you only mentioned the success in the fame of FNAF games unlike your kind of forgetting like there were also very very scary and bestseller horror games that came out that you you are aware of that right
@@Sandwichly like you said ever since their release and most certainly the success of the FNAF games what yeah you kind of make it just sounds like this video was just about that franchise game and and you definitely did not mention any other games besides you know once again what you said ever since the release of FNAF and the success of FNAF games like yeah you could mention more games like that like you could have add-on and said ever since the release of Resident Evil 7 or like or whatever
@@Sandwichly like I really like your video you made right here like I really really do love it but like your kind of just frantic that to mention more other important things to that came came out that you're that was kind of more and much better than FNAF like really there was a lot of other games that were better than FNAF that came out that year and like you could have mentioned other games with the thing you said you know ever since their release and success blank game
Hear me out guys: "Mascot Horror" was huge years before FNaF even existed, and it isn't at fault for "killing" the genre, nor are any of these games... because the genre isn't dead.
The concept of horror media that takes something nostalgic and innocent and turns it twisted is absolutely in no way new. There are countless games from the era of FNaF and even predating it that do that, and web series, TV shows and movies from the years and even decades prior to FNaF's release that utilized such a trope. In terms of the barebones concept of turning cutesy colorful children's mascots twisted and evil, none of these games are original, nor are they the reason for the trope's success or its supposed "death": It'll continue to be used long, long after all of these games have faded fro relevance.
I ain't reading all that
@@mrpro55msmit’s a fucking paragraph bro
@@FRTKU it's a joke
@@mrpro55msm Okay, but like... Who asked? Like legitimately. I'm not even trying to be funny or anything.
short form media brainrot@@mrpro55msm
Now, I assume that I will get the hate for this, but hear me out:
We shouldn't be blaming the MOB devs for what the executives are doing. The DEV team is trying their hardest to make a legitimately good game, and the execs are the ones forcing the merchandise. Plus, they're really focusing on making it a proper horror experience, especially the VHS tapes and the recent trailer for Ch. 3, and the fact that they've abandoned the ZAMination channel and haven't really advertised the merch as much as they used to.
I suspect that I'm gonna receive a ton of hate for this.
I think you're right, Poppy Playtime is genuinely a good game, it's just MOB Devs that put them in a bad light. Banban however, should be burned on a stake
You're right 👍
Personally, I'd get rid of Poppy. The devs seem like horrible people, the game isn't anything special (from what I've seen), and Garten of Banban probably wouldn't exist if Poppy didn't exist. In my opinion, Hello Neighbor didn't hurt mascot horror, it's just a bad franchise. If anything, Bendy probably did the most damage to mascot horror by introducing chapters. At least BATIM and BADR are good games, unlike all the other options.
Chapters are so annoying to me. Imo it just incentives not putting a full game together. But it probably makes them more money so it won't ever change.
Poppy playtime is so much better than the original BATIM
Finally, someones not just saying Garten of Banban because the game is bad.
I feel like BATIM did have an influence over the way modern mascot horror games now operate-chapter releases, deep lore about human experimentations, some of the character tropes (you cannot tell me that Alice Angel, Mommy Long Legs and Banbellina aren't similar in some way), simple puzzles and frequent annoying fetch quests, etc. HOWEVER I don't believe it was the one to kill the genre mostly because while the game was popular, it wasn't influential enough to change the way mascot horror is made. Back in 2018-2020 there weren't a lot of games out there that really copied the Bendy formula and even if there were, they probably weren't very successful.
That was until Poppy Playtime released where we saw a boom in mascot horror games. Compared to the days of BATIM, now there are more of those games to choose from than ever before. Also a lot of them copied things that were present in Poppy:
-a bright and colorful environment specifically catering to a younger demographic-check
-a colorful horror mascot character that isn't too scary but looks threatening because of sharp teeth and bulging eyes-check
-immediate commercialization upon release of the first chapter-check
-a gimmick item used to solve simple puzzles and to progress through the game-check
-deep lore about experimenting with children souls trapped in those mascots, that can be found not only in the game but also in supplementary material like spin-off books, games, websites, the game files, etc. (though now that I think about it, I think this might have been fnaf's fault)-check
-constant stream of fetchquests to keep the player engaged-check
-being slightly unpolished in some areas-check
Honestly I could go on and on and on, but I don't want this comment to be unnecessarily longer so I will end it with my final verdict-Poppy Playtime ruined the mascot horror genre. Sure Bendy might have been the first, but Poppy popularized this business model. Thank you for coming to my TED-talk.
Tbh it's a shame the people behind it are horrible people, I actually quite like Poppy Playtime, it's story is currently interesting me and I can't help but strive to learn more.
(although, it's the founders that are bad, not the ones who make the game, like the designers or coders for example, so I'll just give the credit to them.)
Hello Neighbor was never supposed to be anything huge. The problem is that the devs saw its popularity and decided to try and make it something huge, but it just didn't have that in it. They should've just moved on and used the power of "From the Creators Of" on something genuinely designed to be a bigger, better project.
Garden of banban is not the problem, its a consequence of a steady decline
also people complaing how quickly the games drop forget that fnaf did the same thing originally
Exactly. FNAF followed the same formula, but we have to admit the quality was much better. Also do have to acknowledge the difference in audiences for now and then.
I disagree. It’s not that. It’s the damn algorithm itself. Hell I wouldn’t even say sandwichly is exactly… helping in on this. All this is doing is only further making people think that mascot horror is dead when, in the grand scale of things, if we’re talking about these guys: poppynplaytime, hello neighbor, garten and rainbow friends…
That’s VERY FEW in the many mascot horror games alone that are far better. I honestly hate how people keep saying mascot horror is dying because insert franchise or insert videogame when,firstly we’re only talking mascot horror and it’s proven that there’s a lot better mascot horrors that people don’t talk about because they like talking about negative things such as good games like Andy’s apple farm, Amanda the adventurer, crow 64, and shipwrecked 64 to name a couple, heck even my friendly neighborhood to welcome home are some good examples in why I feel the term “mascot horror is ruined” or “indie horror is ruined or dying” is a VERY VERY MISLEADING TERM.
And I’m sorry if I’m coming off as aggressive, but as somebody who’s been working on soem series relating to some mascot horrors, I feel it’s really important to speak about this cuz these kinds of videos just discourage artists and creators to try anymore. It has for me for awhile at least. It made me terrified to make something because people will endlessly judge it even when I accept criticism. But that’s besides the point, the point is that mascot horror isn’t dead or ruined, but it will be because not just the algorithm itself, but also the fact we keep talking about these kinds of franchises more than it ever deserves.
To be fair, FNAF 1, 2, and 3 are mostly pretty different in terms of gameplay aside from "sitting in a room with cameras". I doubt there are any major gameplay changes between Garten of Banban 1, 2, 3, and 4.
@@octodaddy877 true, I think it’s biggest glaring flaw for the first three to four games was just, how it’s repetitive without to much substance
Your forgetting that all banban chapters have released in the same year. FOUR chapters in one year so far probably gonna be 7 chapters by the end of the year which is terrible, fnaf 1 and 2 -2014 fnaf 3 and 4 -2015 fnaf sl -2016 pizza sim -2017 you cant really compare banban to this considering 3 more chapters after fourth one will prob release in 2023
I’d like to remind you poppy playtime wasn’t released Free, it was later introduced free, but good video
My thoughts?
Bendy= unironicly the best Mascout horror game and if they can make the combat good then I unironcily think it will be nigh perfect!
Poppy playtime= high quality knows it’s arg lore but the devs had a real SHADYYYY past with everything they did to ekroaster but even he thinks it’s time to forgive them (they did some messed up crap ok)
Ban ban= I honestly think ban ban has poteintal as its aware it’s a fever dream and it strives to be stupid fun like that it’s bad but it’s also pretty fun
Hello neighbor= the definition of WASTED poteintal. That orginal concept is awsome and the betas for hello neighbor 2 were better than the actual one and I wish it was better it could’ve been and I wish it was
That’s just my take on it all
I 100% agree 👍
I recomend you to put the "wasted" for Ban Ban, hello neighbor doesn't even get near
@@b.a.r.f1004 ban ban since the SECOND it came out had been hated. Now it has some potiental and seems to be somewhat gravitating towards it.
I’m guessing you weren’t their when hello neighbor originally came out. The beta was good. The horror was actully good with the confined environment, the chase music, and the loud sounds. And the concept they advertised and tried to implement was amazing an AI protecting his home with knowledged of the player.
Hello neighbor had oh so much potiental and it was all WASTED for some reason
@@grayemme potential? it's copy over copy with lame puzzles in imense rooms made for you take time enough for you don't be able to refund, withouth talking they want to make 14 chapters in extreme rush with story that leads in absolutelly nothing and each chapter or has the same high price or somehow gets even more expencive, wake up to reality, they want to steal our money.
@@grayemme and worst of all they don't take critcs and banned some youtubers for even talk about this
All of them had a hand in it. I think Garten just made people stop pretending the problems weren't there.
Huh?
But to be fair, Garten of Banban isn't really Mascot horror, as it's more adventure than horror. You feel compelled to explore and play the game, whereas in Poppy Playtime, you feel like you're trespassing, that death lurks around every corner, that is horror. Jump scares don't make a horror game, atmosphere does. Gartan of Banban is more akin to Alice in Wonderland, whereas Poppy Playtime is ore akin to SCP.
@@redbeardaquatics9936 Why Poppy?
For me, mascot horror is like a HP bar. It was full of hype in the Fnaf and Batim era. Hello Neighbor started slowly to decrease it and make it smaller. Poppy just made the process faster. The bar was at its 40% when ban came with a knife and cut all the rest to it's death.
Yeah, basically Hello Neighbor started, poppy just made the things worse, the banban bros just saw mob way of making money and made something even worse.
Honestly i don't think poppy playtime made it worse, the games are awesome, the bad things are about the controversies outside the game, and hello neighbor was good at the start but got worse, banban is just trash and the creators refuse to make it better
@@bu4349true
While garten of banban is undoubtably… something, the desire for it to be something more created a fanbase so loyal that it could be co,pared to bioshocks fanbase at this point. Because it’s so simplistic and boring people have gained the courage to expand the concept on their own terms which spawned a wave of fangames so big that it rivales 2015. The lack of anything for banban is it’s greatest potential weakness but also it’s greatest creative strength.
honorable mention: Yandere Simulator
not really horror but also goes into the like darker games for Kiddies
imo kinda similar story to Hello Neighbor: highly hyped in the first alphas but eventually died
I have never heard of it before. And yet I call myself knowledgeable...
@@Sandwichly it was a game where you had to kill your rivals so your senpai would fall in love with you. kinda in the same time of the first wave of mascot horror but eventually fell into obscurity when the updates stopped for the most part
Yeah I played it for a laugh and damn it was mid
@@dhsssudijfdjdjnjswooe8rjfn72 also, not a game but ARG: Petscop
Wouldn’t really call Yandere Simulator something aimed “at the kiddies,” though…
Fun fact: FNaF wasn’t actually the first mascot horror game. Night of the nuns for the ps1 has both an unbeatable monster that chases you throughout the game and hidden lore that makes up most of the story, so it counts.
That game was not released on the ps1, didn't it come out years after fnaf1? not sure if you can turn a nun into a mascot horror character.
@@yourfatboy5359 sorry, I was wrong.
@@henrybyrd8381 nah it's ok man 👍
oh my god how drunk you have to be to say that
I was very drunk when I said that that.@@ThrackerZ0d
i agree! Hello Neighbor would be the one to go...just, in my opinion, not fully for the same reasons you said.
I agree with your Hello Neighbor points entirely: the game lost its vision, it had too many awful spinoffs (and merch while we're at it) and it's "saving grace" was mediocre, but, what I disagree with is *why* Garten Of BanBan isnt at the bottom.
To tldr my reason: Garten of BanBan is too late in the mascot horror timeline to fix it. To me BanBan was just the game that put crucial nail in a quickling building coffin, removing BanBan is strictly just...removing BanBan, and anyone could make a BanBan replacement that would be just as popular, but if we removed Hello Neighbor then (assuming this was like a removing the effects HN had on the mascot horror scene) we could reverse a lot of what was done while keeping good things like BATDR a possibility yknow?
Banban was just conceived at the wrong time and all the hate was unfairly unloaded on it.
I feel that Poppy's Playtime felt ruined because it was being milked into a franchise before the first game was even finished
I’m not too sure why people call hello neighbor a “mascot” horror game
I feel it’s more of a “stereotype” horror, kinda like the baby in yellow and Baldi’s basics
tbh i was thinking the same
HN was great at the beginning, but then i just went the “PLEASE EXPLORE EVERY PIXEL AND POLYGON OF OUR GAME PLEASE THERE’S LORE I’M BEGGING PLEASE MAKE VIDEOS ABOUT OUR GAME”
Comparing Hello Neighbor and Banban is like comparing a raw chicken breast to a burnt, unseasoned chicken breast, respectfully. I don't want either but if I was being held at gunpoint I'd pick the burnt chicken.
Is eating dirt off the ground an option?
@@Sandwichly💀💀💀
@@Sandwichly no but stop saying bullshit hit is an option ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺
This made me chuckle
Ima have to say poppy gotta take one for the team. Rainbow friends and BanBan would’ve never existed without the inspiration of poppy… although a great spin and the refreshment to the genre we needed, people just took it and through it off a cliff after poppy’s release
I’m willing to allow Banban as a self aware parody/critique of the genre but Hello Neighbor’s downfall and Poppy’s explicit “This is intended and market for children” just gave me an ick I can’t fully explain
POV: Somewhere out there, there's a mascot horror masterpiece that's criminally underrated with a small cult following.
Now I understand everything!thanks for making this video!
They all introduced certain elements that went on to water down mascot horror as a whole but I don't think any of them are the sole reason for why the genre has been "ruined" or anything like that. I think the real issue is how so many of these horror games are just trying to copy what FNAF has already succeeded at which is why a lot of the modern day mascot horror games are incredibly lifeless, bland, and uninspired. Say what you want about any of these games but trying to shift the blame onto only one of them for "ruining" the mascot horror genre is just unfair imo.
Bendy and the Dark Revival's title isn't just about the game, but RATHER the dark revival of the series as a whole, since during the DEVELOPMENT HELL that Dark Revival went through, people thought the Bendy franchise was DEAD, but Dark Revival managed to reboot the series in a way we could have never expected! Thank you TheMeatly and all who worked so hard on this series 🖤🖤🖤🖤
This is very well-researched and an interesting watch!
_"Hello Neighbor"_ is definitely a keeper, and not because it's good. In fact, we should keep it _because_ it's awful. It's a sign to wave and warn other developers "Hey, don't do this! This is what can happen to your game!" It's got its bad moments, and it used to have really good ones. All the points you made are the reasons why it should stay. It used to be a game people would have LOVED but now a ton of people can't stand it. Aspiring game devs, look at _"Hello Neighbor"_ and learn from their mistakes. DynamicPixels, be like your alpha-build Neighbor, and learn from your mistakes!
On the _other hand,_ I would choose _"Poppy Playtime."_ Personally, I can't comment on _"Garden of BanBan"_ because I've never played/watched it, and I love Bendy so much that these three others don't deserve its ink stains. _"Poppy Playtime"_ itself is a good game, as you said, but the dev team? Not so much. They're the face of what's wrong with game culture today and in indie form! We get enough of these cash grabbers at high and mighty corporate giants levels, we don't need that trash at indie levels! Fellow devs don't learn anything from Mob, and Mob doesn't learn anything from their mistakes outside of being sneakier. Hardly anything in their _"Dead by Daylight"_ game worked, but the merch link was functional. I couldn't even complete the tutorial because it was so bugged, but I could buy a plushie! Thus, I would take _"Poppy Playtime"_ out.
I feel like hello neighbor is in a case of it’s so bad it’s good, kind of like day one of security breach, it would not be bad to get more games for it because of how funny it is that you can go across the map by putting a box under your feet, hello neighbor 2 is definitely a improvement but garten of ban ban chapter 2 had improved from chapter 1 but it doesn’t mean it is perfect because it’s not trash.
@Marcus_awesome_gaming SB was "bad" because it had bugs they slowly fixed over time, some of which were pretty funny or even fun to exploit though some were game breaking. I hope Steel Wool learned a lot from their mistakes. But HL wasn't bad because of it's bugs. It was bad because of its terrible downward spiral into bad gameplay and story. SB still had fun gameplay and some story.
I blame poppy playtime it’s not the worst game on this list (that would go to ban ban) but I think poppy playtime kinda made this genre a whole cashgrab
Or it could be one of the Roblox horror games like piggy or rainbow friends
Ngl all Mob Ent. had to do was say "Bro some mf in the team said that if we made NFTs it would immediately make the game scarier so thats what we did" and they would've been off the hook fr
I do agree with your thought that hello neighbor was the cause because I've been hearing that mascot horror has been dying even before ban ban. another thing with the planned movie for poppy playtime, keep in mind that the fnaf movie was announced when the series was about only 8 months old.
Really good point. My only counter is that FNAF 3 had released and it was supposed to be the last game in the FNAF franchise and the end of the story Scott wanted to tell. FNAF 4 was only made because people claimed Scott had lost his ability to make a scary game. Hence, FNAF 4 was made. I give FNAF a pass because it had told a complete story whereas Poppy Playtime has failed to do that yet.
@@Sandwichly that makes sense
Bendy is very aestheticly pleasing, poppy got very good recently, banban hasn't done anything yet.
I'm gonna say hello neighbor because it promised what it could not deliver and U-turned from its original vision.
Agree, I'm actually REALLY tempted to make a video where I present a complete redesign/overhaul of what Hello Neighbor should have done.
Chapter 3 of poppy playtime is a 8/10
Honestly, i couldnt thanos snap Hello Neighbour just because DAGames did a banger musical video on it
Five Nights at Freddy's released 4 games within a year, yet contrast to BanBan, it had quality and effort in it. And keep in mind, it was one guy, Scott Cawthon.
Also, (I am genuinely asking,) what about Hello Neighbor makes it a "mascot horror game?' With mascot horror, you take everyday objects/products, and give a horror spin on it, like FNAF with animatronics, Bendy with cartoons, Poppy Playtime with toys, and... to an extent, BanBan with kindergarten.
Hello Neighbor is just you going up against a messed up neighbor with a sketchy past. If anything, it's more of a "survival thriller game," than a "mascot horror game." Also one major pro Hello Neighbor has over BanBan: I can tell what I'm up against. What is Jumbo Josh supposed to be? What is BanBan supposed to be? With the exception of a few characters, they look so grotesque and disgusting, that I would willingly play the other Hello Neighbor games NUMEROUS times. At least my eyes won't be engulfed in flames when I look at the visuals.
I respect your opinion, this is just my opinion as well, but I say that BanBan DESCIMATED the state of indie horror, as people think its okay by adding the bare bone effort into making these games now.
My dude typed an entire summary
damn right, my dude. you know it@@CrepR-351
To my knowledge, Hello Neighbor is included in the genre because it was popular around the same time frame and seemed like it was trying to emulate other mascot horror games.
The mascot horror genre had already been slightly fading by the time of poppy playtime but that doesn’t mean poppy was a bad game, not at all, but Garten of ban ban was the finishing blow for it
I find it insane how bendy and the ink machine was on that tweet, dark revival and the 1st game was insane
I still don't know why bendy is hated bro, I mean really it's a fine indie game for what it is and had a decent sequel as well. Bendy is based af, hello neighbor was what did everything in really.
Yeah, I love Bendy. I love the story, the characters, the voice acting...it was a really good game.
Fnaf , bendy , hello neighbor , baldi , granny and all of that shit were fine
But if it wasn’t for trending becoming a word stuff like poppy playtime , rainbow friends and banban wouldn’t be like they are now
I honestly think we are the true killers here , we ruined the genre by making it go trending when it was maybe time for it to die out
Hello Neighbor definitely started the downfall of mascot horror, but saying that it's the only reason is a lie. I would also address this to the success of Poppy playtime. After it was release mascot horror continued it's descent.
The only problem I'll attribute to Garten of Banban is trying to get people to buy merch basically at the start of franchise. But it's not Garten who started this trend, so it's not Euphoric brothers fault entirely. I'll even give them respect for trying to make something good. I just think they don't need to rush chapters.
The game that is actually a good example of genre going downhill is Sparky Marky. Whole story of second chapter feels AI generated so much. In his video, Markiplier confirmed that he hasn't played the first chapter. And he was very confused about everything in the story of the game. A lot of comments were contributing this to Mark skipping first chapter, but under them were replies, that people were confused as well even with the knowledge of the story of the first chapter. Chapters just feel like completely different stories. Another problem I see with this game is "notes" mechanic. Half of the "notes" you find in the game are just discord bot commands, that you have to use on the developers server. For me it doesn't feel as a way to make the lore more interactive, but just an attempt to attract more people to their server.
So, in the the end I would remove Poppy playtime
I would agreed with you if i want go back in time make kept hello guest new game like way way better than hello neighbor, and i would get rid and remove Poppy playtime and Gartan of banban and maybe cancelled yanderan simulator and let police arrest creator of yanderen simulator for illegal stuff
I have to disagree with you, Poppy playtime did nothing at all
for some reason, the gunshot at 5:43 scared me so bad, and i was so confused at myself as to why i jumped, and when i was going back to grab the timestamp for this comment, i scared myself again. dunno whats wrong with me lol
Garten of BanBan's underrated and is actually good imo. Keep it in mind it's just two brothers making the game (I suppose) and not a team.
4:03 “says a lot about what their motives are financially”
I mean, that is why they make a franchise…
Honestly I really hate Garten of banban but it has this charm to it by being the opposite to other horror games instead of making a good game and making it worse they made a bad game and are making it better it’s honestly kinda refreshing also big Larry actually ruined indie horror trusted me
1. bendy could save mascot horror, it’s honestly a great game and I really enjoy the concept. And it’s not even bias, bendy actually could.
2. Poppy, I mean, it’s not that bad, the 3rd chapter coming out and that’s definitely gonna be a good spike in sales for the game.
3. Hello Neighbor. This game man…It used to be good but it’s not that good anymore. I only like it because of the tiny bit of nostalgia I get when watching it playing it.
4. Gobb is well, not the best but I do like what the brothers are doing are doing and the concept of it honestly isn’t that bad.
anyway, good video.
Ok, lemme give a statement. Lets say there's a coffin in a room with five holes for nails to go in, and a crowbar and hammer on the wall next to it. FNAF made the room itself, carved the coffin, and bought the tools and nails from Home Depot. The next 3 did nothing to help or hurt. Hello Neighbor nailed one of the nails in halfway. Sister Location hit another nail in 25%, (it wasn't that bad, but I'm too tired to do precise measurements, its night time) BATIM took it out about 25 percent. So far, we have 2 nails in the coffin that are each 25% in. You get it? Good, cause its gonna get so much worse. I'll need to give updates every now and then just for some to keep up. Prepare for a mouthful: Pizzeria Sim, UCN, and Help Wanted did nothing. Security Breach hit that nail in 50%. Poppy Playtime hit another nail in 25%, then came back and hit it all the way in. (So 100%, 25%, 0%, 0%, 75% so far) Garden of Banban (1 and 2) took 2 nails and hit them in 100% each. (100%, 100%, 100%, 25%, 75%) Banban 3 took 1 of
those nails and took it out 50%. Here comes FNAF again! Ruin got two of those nails and hit one out completely, then got one out halfway. (50%, 50%, 0%, 25%, 75%,) And that my fellow readers, is the end of the story. No I will not improve any further, take this template and do what you wish with it. Goodbye. I'll see you around.
Popular idea: Poppy Playtime is basically when your friend asks to copy your homework and you say to change it up to not make it look obvious, the friend being Poppy, and you being Bendy
The public can finally see this masterpiece
But u got to see it before anyone else 😁
One of the biggest reasons why I would remove HN and not GOBB id because of how they got bad. GOBB was bad from the start, there was no effort put into it, it was low quality, and overall was basically a cashgrab. HN on the other hand, originally was going to be a good horror game, however the devs were blinded by marketability and fame that they lost the core mechanic of the game in favor of filling their pockets.
When a game is bad, it's bad.
But when a game that had potential to be really good turns into a cashgrab that can be marketed, that's when I have a problem.
So overall, HN gets the bin.
Since I never really seen it, my assumption for banban is that its a satire of the mascot horror genre. I believe your conclusion that hello neighbor started the downfall of mascot horror as poppys playtime and banban were made after and influenced by hello neighbor. Without it those two wouldn't exist.
I KNOW I KNOW IM LATE but me personally i find that poppy playtime while being a good game in itself, used bright colors and easily identifiable characters which is very good for one thing content farms, it left an example that you can easily just make a game similar to poppy playtime with less effort but still have all those bright colors and characters and make a lot of money doing that, many games have been made due to this such as garden of banban, rainbow friends etc. leading to the downfall of the genre (sometimes i feel it was intentional)
I agree with your loser pick.
FNaF has it's flaws, but its THE Staple of Mascot Horror.
Bendy had a rough time at first, but became AMAZING with the release of Dark Revival.
Poppy Playtime was uhh... the lead directors or so are bad people, but why punish the people that just made the games for fun?
Hello Neighbor is definitely the loser. Not only did they retroactively make things canon and retconned because of theories, but they also tried to get MatPat to make more theories on their games and books and show.
Defending Garten of Ban Ban with you, the 1st game was a joke, the 2nd game was petty, but now I just see the 3rd game as them just making something for fun. It DOES have a story, and they aren't deviating from it. You can NOT tell me they're trying to make an uber serious game now, with that freaking car scene- lmao.
I'm glad you agree. However, I disagree. The Poppy playtime story of crowdfunding and all that wins me zero sympathy. The second they could, they tried reaching for NFTs and with a younger audience I found that unacceptable. And don't get me started and the stupidity of Hello Neighbor trying to get a theory of Matpat like that. Wat a joke.
@@Sandwichly thats fair. Everyone has their own opinion and different reasons to hate/like people or groups.
Also yeh. I love making fun of that Hello Neighbor thing. Lmfao
Hello Neighbor don't have jumpscare but their storline are great, it should be thriller game instead indie horror. But garden of banban...., ugh those character design. the are copied popp playtime and based and gets popular b Friday Night Funkin.
@@littlegoat713yeah I love when it the first used to be stealth horror game and the crew really wanted to make the game good and scary.Too bad they lost themselves because of popular it was and begs Mat to do theories and ask let’s players to play their game without having care or passion to make a good stealth horror game.
@@littlegoat713 i know this was 4 months ago...but hmmm whenever i see Garten of Ban Ban...i just want to burn this game with fire. dude they are already making the 6th game of the franchise and has it has not been more than a year. Shame on the Euphoric brothers. Scott Cawthon took years to make 6 games...Euphoric brothers are rushing more and more. DO YOU TRULLY WANT TO PLAY A RUSHED GAME???
the only issue from Banban i've seen it's the optimization, which is understandable since all the models has ridiculous amount of polygons.
Optimization, Cashgrabs, Devs refusing to improve, bad lore, no effort, expensive merch, expensive games, short chapters, still get millions.
If the question is about saving the "Mascot Horror" genre then Bendy has to go. It's the one that really made it trendy outside of FNAF and led to its modern counterparts.
Not nowadays. Bendy is no longer a Mascot horror since BATDR is something
@@rosbif3762
I mean
Maybe?
Its still Mascot Horror so I don't really know what you're talking about
@@lmaobox4068 If you played the game you'll understand why. The game is much, much more than a Mascot Horror. It's no longer "Oh! This mascot looks cute but it will kill me! Oh my god! So scary!" It's more of a "My father crated a whole new world made of ink where monsters, a new society reside and it even has its own infrastructure and cosmology? How can I get out of here?" So it's easy to say Bendy is no longer a mascot Horror, it's trying to be something else, and it's working.
What do you mean, bendy is easily the best game on this list, with its story, execution, and style.
@@rosbif3762
Nope
Its mascot horror
Doom is a good and beautiful game
But it's still an FPS
Bendy is mascot horror
Stop the copium
Banban is the to go answer to remove from the timeline.
It's honestly kind of sad that Bendy gets lumped in with Poppy Playtime and Garten of Banban nowadays bc, it is leaps and bounds ahead of all the other games here. Poppy Playtime is definitely the most generic one here. It's definitely fun to play and is very well made, but it can be pretty uninspired at times. Garten of Banban is probably objectively the worst game here, but now the devs seem to be taking it at a parody angle and if nothing else, it's fing hilarious and an ironic masterpiece. Hello Neighbor is genuinely lifeless. It started off promising but just got worse and worse and worse as time went. The game is buggy, poorly made, and borderline unplayable and the puzzles feel like they were made for an NES game 30 years ago. Bendy is good, Poppy is well-made, Banban is at the very least ironically enjoyable, but Hello Neighbor? It's genuinely worthless, and I'd even go as far as to say it's my least favorite game of all time.
Hello Neighbor had a good concept but it made up for it's mistake from the past
Banban feels like a parody game, you know? And I absolutely love it for that
Honestly many people say that these games are trying to copy fnaf and are succeeding but honestly, they aren't really copying fnaf. Sure, the mascots are bright and colorful but that's one of the things games can steal from fnaf but honestly. I think we are all forgetting the game that started indie horror or horror games itself. Amnesia the dark decent is a master crafted game. I'd say these games are trying to copy more amnesia or fnaf mixed. The 3d gameplay is from amnesia and the colorful mascots are from fnaf.
I don't believe any of these games killed the mascot horror genre but Hello Neighbor could have done better and Banban is just a quick cash grab that has definitely hurt the genre.
no i'd get rid of all of them i dont give a crap
bendy: made it have WAY to much damn lore making games do the same
poppy playtime: annoying fandom
hello neighbor: way too glitchy
and garden of Banban: started the full downfall of all of the games + poppy playtime and bendy's bad things combined
Your complaining because bendy has lore? You must hate FNaF then huh
@@Davetheminion302 sorry this is outdated and I was stupid at that time, I don't know why the hell I said this
Im not too sure with this because after ban ban was released. There was no real good mascot horror game with the exception of Maybe "My Friendly Neighborhood" (I haven't played that one yet) that ended up being popular to some extent. Ultimately Hello Neighbor is worse but I would have combined chapters 1-3 together + some more tweaking and Polishing and released it as 1 package instead of 3 chapters, or have it face the wall
I figured it would be either Banban or Neighbour. Banban lacks a lot of the appeal of the other games, but it's pretty easy to tell early on if you're going to enjoy it or not. If you don't like Banban, at the very least, it doesn't waste too much of your time. Neighbour on the other hand had a very strong start, got fans hyped for the mystery of what the neighbour was hiding with each new build of the game, and then changed their direction to focus on the MC's trauma. Now, a story of recovering from trauma is perfectly respectable, but it was so far from what the game advertised itself as that it only adds to the hurt of the mess that the game came out as. It took so much time from players for a mediocre at best experience that it's arguably made worse than Banban for that fact alone.
I think Hello Neighbor is the culprit. Not only is it a bad game, as Phisnom himself proved, but it had WAY too big of a reach when it was popular. I remember seeing books of it on sale at Schoolastic School events, despite knowing what the game was but never seeing any gameplay (probably because it was so bad). It made a bad game that was more focused on people talking about it rather than making a good game.
Poppy Playtime is actually a good game with a really interesting story. I think it’s trying to be interesting and has some good ideas and mechanics.
Bendy, while it did contribute to the issue, was pretty reasonable and kept it’s story consistent and didn’t try to make 10+ games. They had their original and their sequel, that’s been it for like a decade. They didn’t do the greatest, but Hello Neighbor just blows it out of the water with the amount of shit they tried to pull.
Garten of BanBan is a clear and stupid cash-grab, but I think the Mascot-Horror genre was already in a weird place when that came out. Also, there’s not a single person who takes Garten of BanBan as a serious game, so it doesn’t even deserve the “Mascot-Horror” title.
Answer: None of them.
Poppy playtime & Garten of banban are the ones that killed it.
BATIM is the only good series out of the four.
Hello neighbor killed mascot horror, not garten of banban or poppy cashgrab
I don’t think people realize how old mascot horror is, just think of Friday the 23th or Halloween which have mascots that are more known than the franchise itself
I Love How People Are Saying That Mascot Horror Is Dead Based On 3 Video Games Out Of A Thousand More Even Tho The Rest Is Perfection 😂😂
They’re too focused on the bad ones
I adore Bendy. I love Banban just because its hilarious, especially the chapter 4 Choo Choo Charles Cutscene. I think Poppy Playtime is overrated because its story isnt that good (Compared to Bendy and FNAF). And finally, I think Hello Neighbor is trash.
The thing with banban is that its profited off of the problems of mascot horror. Its a terrible game and highlights the downfall of mascot horror however mascot horror was getting worse before its release. My vote is for hello neighbour as its the epitome of bad and shoehorned in lore. Its what showed poppy and banban whats profitable.
Bendy definitely started the downward trend. Main guys made the first game in five days, realized "oh, we can make a lot of money from this" and then improvised their way through four sequels, none of which were any good -- which is what every mascot horror game that you list after Bendy *also* did. So, if we're asking which game started the downward trend, it was absolutely Bendy.
Yes, maybe the Bendy lore "makes [you] want to learn more" but objectively, if we're looking at the original series of games as they were, few if any of those questions the community had were answered satisfactorily -- and if they were, it's most likely because the devs literally took the ideas of the community without credit and added them to the game. FNAF has had a similar problem, actually, so an argument might be made that FNAF is actually where some of those underlying problems started, but I would argue Bendy is the first game that actively abused them -- and we know this because the devs are on record saying as much. They've also done a bunch of other shady stuff since the first release.
On the other side, Hello Neighbor is a curious case, in that the devs had an original idea for a game . . . but developed their way out of it along the way, and then were bought out by a larger company that wanted to use the property solely to make money. Of course, it has a bad name now, but there was absolutely something to get excited about initially which they then did the Bendy thing to and made bad. Also, whether or not they could actually implement their adaptive AI sufficiently (which is what initially excited people) is debatable, so that it fell into the same problems as Bendy and the others may have been inevitable. The fact that the earlier Alpha versions of the game are considered the best versions by most says enough about that.
The other two are followers in their entirety, made because other games in the genre were incredibly profitable, and they are transparently so.
Mascot horror isn't dying it's just being ruined by people who see it as another content farm. Nonetheless I do have to agree with your points. FNAF does have its problems but it's ultimately what started all of this, BATIM didn't age well it's just a bad game and is what started the influx of mascot horror games constantly crapping out clones of other games (which is the reason why games such as poppy playtime and garten of BanBan exist in the first place) but it did sort of redeem itself with BATDR, say what you want about poppy playtime but everything after chapter 1 is legitimately high quality and the devs (aside from mob) are for the most part okay people, garten of BanBan is shit but it's definitely not the worst out of all of them, hello neighbor is just the culmination of everything that is wrong with mascot horror it deserved its failure.
Poppy ch3 is looking to be really good and has been on a steady incline. It just needed time but the chapterly release isn't a good style as a whole
In my opinion bendy is a phenomenon, poppy playtime is good, Garten of banban is not good, but not bad, and hello neighbor is...
Ummm... not that good. So, yeah I agree with this list. Great job.
ch 1 was not free at first? It was 5 dollars so that the studio could make easy money (they had plenty of money already). Since it took off, they saw the need to have a demo for their game, so they just made ch 1 free.
I would say that Bendy added more to the horror genre as it popularised a more active gameplay loop than that of fnaf's ( by no means it's gameplay is boring, but sometimes it's ridiculous when you are a sitting duck). Hello neighbor didn't have an actual impact in this horror genre itself, it just showed how to make a game in general. Garten of banban nails everything in the wrong way and it's probably the reason as to why there's the "mascot horror is dead" rumor .
Yeah, I agree that Bendy added a lot. Bendy was good because the story came first. With some of these new games, I'd argue the money was prioritized above all else.
I say Hello neighbor, but because it was the least improved overall. 3 spin off games, 2 main games, several early builds, and even a pilot episode, yet still suffers. Plus, maybe without Hello neighbor, ban ban might not exist. Banban was trash, through and through, and would have gone under the radar if uhyeah didnt meme it (not hating him, love his vids!). Nobody expected great things from banban, and we should ignore it. H.N. did thoug.
Uhyeah is a big content creator. But compare that Banban vid with 700k views to the millions other creators had just one vid. Uhyeah didn't make Banban more popular than it was, just voiced an opinion concerning it.
@@Sandwichly Okay, still would do Hello neighbor, such a wasted concept. Thanks for the clarification though.
I'm mostly with you on Garten of Banban. I've watched Markiplier's playthroughs of 1 and 2, and reading about the cases I'm so curious about what they'll all add up to! The gameplay really needs to be edited and optimized like you said (it feels like a lot is just there to increase play time), but I'm still into it!
I'm also gonna say it wasn't Banban's fault because it was already going downhill before the release. Mascot horror just stopped being scary, and just started to become essential cash grabs, which ban ban is the embodiment of. I'm not defending ban ban. Having a constant release flow of poorly made games doesn't make the series good. I'd rather have a series with a single good game than multiple sucky games. If I were to blame a specific series though, I just wouldn't know who to blame.
Hey come on now man.
Rainbow friends was probably the start
Hello neighbor started it but barely compared to how bad it is now.
Technically the first popular game considered to be a "mascot horror" would have been the define result to the "death" of "mascot horror" as without the original mascot horror there would be little to no chance of newer and lesser games following suite. Without the existence of the first-ever mascot horror game the mascot horror brand / concept would never die, this however, would also mean that the genre would cease to exist.
Sorry, when I can't sleep I write essays on UA-cam
Bendy was really good, Hello neighbor was good too but if they kept the same art style and gameplay since Alpha 1, but I still love both. Poppy playtime a tiny bit scary and then Garten of banban witch was not scary the characters were too colorful. but the green key room in Hello neighbor was kind of scary NGL BTW Hello neighbor 2 was too easy that I beat it in one day
Exactly, Hello Neighbor 2 had the possibility of saving everything and instead left everyone with a very "meh" experience. While your complaint of Banban is fair, I can't hate on the hype and future it has to Hello Neighbor's slow death
0:01 the answer is banban! Hello neighbor is just glitchy but has great and cryptic lore without being too complicated. Bendy is probably only 15% less popular than Fnaf, Poppy Playtime is just Fnaf and batim’s love child with a coat of toys R us slapped on… but banban is a bad game with strange lore, terrible gameplay, low quality, and is just poppy playtime if you melted it down and molded it with ai and terrible voice acting. The only redeeming quality is that the game come out every 4-6 months so the hype is always alive (especially for content farms)
Banban is not bad game ITS my opinion
@@Luanboy8724I meant ban ban lol
I don’t think it’s dead at all. Did you watch a playthrough of My Friendly Neighborhood yet?
Hello neighbor and my friendly neighborhood arent tied together tho right? Cuz I like friendly neighborhood, I jus didn't think it was connected to hello neighbor
@@Sandwichlyit isn’t connected to hello neighbor.
@@SandwichlyNot at all connected. I think the mascot horror genre is alive and well, fans just focus too much on the blemishes. That said, a blemish in the genre is kinda subjective as I actually kinda like Ban Ban, but ironically. My Friendly Neighborhood impressed me, though. Have you ever played Hello Puppets? It’s horrifically underrated. Both MFN and HP have immense lore to crack open, too. Check them out.
But to me, My friendly neighborhood is not mascot Horror. The game plays more like a traditional spooky survival game. I don't get the Poppy Playtime, BanBan, Hello Neighbor vibes from this one. Just cause the creators who cover mascot Horror are covering this doesn't mean it's part of that genre.
@@Sandwichly maybe. And whether theyre right or wrong in my friendly neighborhood being that, the point still stands that some franchises aren’t the thing that’s actually ruining a genre or a medium like mascot horror or indie horror, but more so the backlashes it’s getting. While to an extent it’s justified, we’re giving it so much dang popularity because we keep making so many negative videos about it. This rings true for garten of ban ban. Which to me is basically something you’d expect from roblox or maybe mobile horror games, it’s not new, and yet people made it popular not simply because of UA-cam let’s players, which while I do think has a part in it, it’s mainly that of the people saying “This franchise ruined this genre!”
“Batim ruined indie horror!”
“Here is why ban ban killed mascot horror.” It legit undermines people who have been working hard to make their games or media, even if it’s mascot horror related.. and make them feel as though they shouldn’t even try anymore. That’s how I’ve felt with this at least, part of the bigger issue other than the algorithm is the way people are acting upon this.
Five Nights At Freddy’s (2014) The Main reason indie horror games exist and Totally didn’t rip off Chuck E Cheese.
Bendy: (2017) Solve puzzles while a monstered version of a children’s cartoon kills you
Granny (2017) Solve clues while a monster family member tries to kill you.
Hello Neighbor (2017) Solve clues while a stalker neighbor tries to kill you.
Baldi (2018) Solve math problems while a creepy teacher tries to kill you.
Piggy (2020) Solves mysteries while a granny version of a kids show tries to kill you.
Poppy Playtime (2021) Solve puzzles while a blue monster tries to kill you.
Rainbow Friends (2022) Go into an abandoned factory while a giant blue monster tries to kill you
Choo Choo Charles (2022) Solve mysteries while a spider version of your favorite train cartoon tries to kill you.
Garten of Ban Ban (2023) Go into an abandoned kindergarten while colorful characters try to kill you.
I agree with u so much i think garten of banban kinda saved it the reason of that is cus
We were just waiting for poppy playtime chapter 3 and so much more to reasle but boom garten of banban came out and if garden of banban didnt come out we would still be waiting and then horror genre would start to die oyt
bro garten of ban ban looks like it uses UE starter content textures.
I remember when I was watching bendy and the ink machine when I was in 11th grade I remember when I was supposed to be studying but instead would be watching bendy and the ink machine. Bendy is a nostalgic masterpiece
I actually prefer Banban to all three others. I just wasn’t there for bendy, Hello Neighbor is Hello Neighbor, and I just quickly lost interest in Poppy’s playtime. Plus I just love Banbans humor
to all people saying poppy playtime is bad just renember the creators worked hard just for people to trash them like why but hey poppy playtime 3 is out and its pretty scary so maybe it can make yall stop hating about it.
Poppy playtime is actually really good and they take their time releasing chapters and is actually pretty scary, Hello neighbour could of been a really good concept if they took it in another direction but it just fumbled all together, And garten of banban ruined mascot horror they do not take time on their chapters the voice lines are clumsy the game has the most random plot (chapter 4 being the most random) and the devs of banban hated the fact that people refunded their game which in my opinion the refunds were deserved for the terrible short chapters but i will give banban one thing i get excited for the chapters just to see how much more terrible and worse it can get not because its a entertaining game, And batim was just a neat and amazing concept i could see how people didnt like the game being in chapters but i dont get how it could ever ruin mascot horror.
-Note this is my opinion feel free to disagree
Unless your trying to defend banban then you cant disagree
Edit: (And yes mascot horror has not died i agree with the people saying that its just been bad recently)
I don’t understand why hello neighbor is considered a mascot horror game
Ik
I love half of these games but banban has to go because I feel like its being tore down by all the little kids and view farms that are on youtube and horrible character ripoffs that are more popular then the actual characters it is a good franchise but I feel like something is missing or being miss used
That blue elephant thing is more popular than half of the official characters
I mean batim is so iconic and amazing that it cant be forgotten
Five nights at Freddy's came out and did a decent job, but perhaps has overstayed its welcome a tad.
Bendy and the ink machine was a sizable project, and I genuinely believe they tried their best to put something of quality out.
Poppy Playtime is a shameless cashgrab by a shameless company. The quality is... Middling, let's be honest. The scares aren't terrible, but the art direction screams rampant marketing, same as Rainbow Friends and same as Banban. When you look at Mob as a whole, they're just a bunch of assholes marketing to children with design, lore, and genre.
Banban is bad. Everything you said about it could be said about all the others. The only difference is the others had a veneer of quality. Between a total lack of skill, polish, storytelling, scares, and development, it is simply the worst series and the fact that it is being platformed as much as it is is more of a problem than a grace point. But the thing is, they are the symptom, but not the root of the disease.
Hello neighbor saw everything Five nights at Freddy's was doing, and abandoned everything it was working towards to steer towards it. They wanted bigger, they wanted better, they wanted to sell off everything about the actual heart of the series, and they wanted money over quality. You can see as time has gone on they have abandoned every possible goal laid for them, both by themselves and by the community, and have single-handedly dug their own grave. Bendy and the ink machine was colored by fnaf, no pun intended, but it remained itself. Hello neighbor stripped away all of the effort and inspiration in order to chase after something that it was never meant to be.
While Banban and Poppy are devoid of soul and self respect, it was *Hello Neighbor* that showed them that they didn't have to try. It was Neighbor that singlehandedly proved that you didn't have to have a soul to make a franchise. They are to blame for the circumstances we find ourselves in. They laid the foundations that mirror tokenism and checkbox filling of FNAF was enough to make a name for yourself.
While Poppy does not deserve the adoration some give it, and while Banban needs to be entirely forgotten, it was neighbor that introduced the disease.
Hay, poppy is decent tho
@@tatarchan5212 I genuinely cannot stand the franchise.
The scares work from time to time, But the more you look into the brand and the people who are running it the veneer of artistry gets wiped away, and all you have left is a paint by numbers, algorithmically profitable franchise aimed directly at children with absolutely no shame about hypermonetizing every aspect.
The moment I saw their animation channel I knew that the whole series was just a cash grab. When you look at the things they've tried to pull and the short time since the game came out, it gets clearer and clearer that the entire series exists to check as many boxes as possible.
It has no soul. Even if the game play was good, and they somehow fixed it to make it a half decent game, it would still be an unforgivable mess.
Comparing poppy to banban is the most insane thing ive heard i agree with the hello neighbour and banban parts but fnaf overstaying its welcome? You can say that for any game that has made multiple sequels and prequels
@@FactoryMyths You look at Mob Games animation channel, their excessive merchandise, and the *NFTSs* and tell me they weren't here to make a buck. Quality was middling, lore was bad, but they still followed the theorist bait *JUST LIKE ALL OF THEM DID* in an effort to copy FNAF.
Poppy and Banban are *the same damn game* the only difference is one of them knew how to dress it up better.
I'm a FNAF fan, don't get me wrong, but at a certain point the lore got less storydriven and more complex for complexity. Is the crying child even still relevant? Is the antagonist of the series still part of the story, or is the retcon surprise character from a scholastic book supposed to replace him? Why was there a Springtrap mpreg story? *Why was there a Springtrap mpreg story? WHY WAS THERE A FUCKING SPRINGTRAP MPREG STORY?* At a certain point we hit critical mass, let's be fair.
@@thefrogthatknows5251 1 that springtrap mpreg story is book lore and will NEVER be canon in game lore because if it was the whole community would just give up and 2 poppy playtime is 10x better then banban i can understand the marketing things and all that but poppy actually takes their time on chapters has amazing graphics and has way better lore then banban its also way more scary then banban not to mention they dont rely on random plot and clumsy voicelines with terrible character designs oh and they dont release their chapters every 3 or 4 months like banban so comparing poppy to banban you cant really say that also by the time it reaches december there will most likely be 6 chapters out in banban in 1 year.
From all of these games, Hello Neighbor and Bendy are the only ones that can't be killed. You just can't forget all that theories, yt videos, mods... for the games you loved.