Wooo. Graeber and Wengrow have a nice intro to these guys in The Dawn of Everything. Edit to add my thoughts. Having trained animals and worked on small farms and spent a lot of time in nature I came to realize that many of humans best and worst qualities are present all over the animal kingdom and even natural processes. Kindness. Playfulness. Jealousy. Sharing. Frustration. What makes humans different really comes down to our ability to create and share new technologies and to imitate the creatures and environments we find. But like....ants man. I think both Hobbes and Rousseau were working with limited knowledge and shortsighted views of the natural world and the amazing intelligence of the other sentient beings we share the planet with.
Hobbes came to some very wrong conclusions, but human nature is definitely selfish. Proof: children. They care only about themselves and their needs, they have no ethics and will cause any harm they are capable of causing in order to get what they want. I once watched my nephew hit has grandfather with a plate in anger because said grandfather brought him exactly what he wanted, and he wanted it from grandma, not grandpa, so grandpa had to be punished, for giving him Exactly What He Wanted. That's where we start, and some of us learn empathy and stop behaving like that. That's the default state of a human. Some are raised in a way that instills concepts of empathy, but others only learn to feign empathy.
ok with the understanding that humans are social creatures that to some deegree does mean that part of the nature of a human is to colaborate or atleast to take care of each other i am not saying you can't colaborate with someone you hate i am saying thats not how a proper society works societies dont work with threats most that used to had to give circus and bread so the system woulndt collapse
It's not a matter of opinion. Anthropology answered this question a long time ago. The state of nature IS a state of hierarchy and social norms, because the original state is the family. Humans never existed in anarchy (utopian, dystopian, or otherwise). In fact, in nature, without family, humans in the wild literally go insane. And that original institution never left us. Whether it's the tribal "egalitarianism" of a family reunion or cookout, or the wealthy competing dynasties that still own most of the world, the actual original state from which we originated in nature (the family state) never left us.
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As you said its probably a mix of both. This is the first video I've seen from you and it seems pretty good, will def check out more :)
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Wooo. Graeber and Wengrow have a nice intro to these guys in The Dawn of Everything. Edit to add my thoughts. Having trained animals and worked on small farms and spent a lot of time in nature I came to realize that many of humans best and worst qualities are present all over the animal kingdom and even natural processes. Kindness. Playfulness. Jealousy. Sharing. Frustration. What makes humans different really comes down to our ability to create and share new technologies and to imitate the creatures and environments we find. But like....ants man. I think both Hobbes and Rousseau were working with limited knowledge and shortsighted views of the natural world and the amazing intelligence of the other sentient beings we share the planet with.
Ants and ant farms are so cool and fascinating
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Hobbes came to some very wrong conclusions, but human nature is definitely selfish. Proof: children. They care only about themselves and their needs, they have no ethics and will cause any harm they are capable of causing in order to get what they want. I once watched my nephew hit has grandfather with a plate in anger because said grandfather brought him exactly what he wanted, and he wanted it from grandma, not grandpa, so grandpa had to be punished, for giving him Exactly What He Wanted. That's where we start, and some of us learn empathy and stop behaving like that. That's the default state of a human. Some are raised in a way that instills concepts of empathy, but others only learn to feign empathy.
Kids are pretty crazy, thankfully it's also in our nature to grow and mature and to learn selflessness (hopefully)
Don't forget that Hobbes is pretty openly traumatized by the English Civil War
no it’s not, this is a stupid argument
@@shortfilms5165 What a great counterargument. I can see I'm dealing with a learned sage here.
ok with the understanding that humans are social creatures that to some deegree does mean that part of the nature of a human is to colaborate or atleast to take care of each other i am not saying you can't colaborate with someone you hate i am saying thats not how a proper society works societies dont work with threats most that used to had to give circus and bread so the system woulndt collapse
Rousseau forgot about all predators.
It's not a matter of opinion. Anthropology answered this question a long time ago. The state of nature IS a state of hierarchy and social norms, because the original state is the family. Humans never existed in anarchy (utopian, dystopian, or otherwise). In fact, in nature, without family, humans in the wild literally go insane. And that original institution never left us. Whether it's the tribal "egalitarianism" of a family reunion or cookout, or the wealthy competing dynasties that still own most of the world, the actual original state from which we originated in nature (the family state) never left us.