It seems like every glider you test is good, so it would be interesting to make a comparison with ones such as the Ikuma, the Rush, the Mentor, the Base etc ...
@nonobebert7646 Thanks for your feedback. Actually not every wing we test is good (in our opinion). However, since creating these free reviews actually takes a great deal of time (and as a micro free-flight business our time and resources are quite limited) we generally choose to focus our energies on sharing our opinions on gear we're more excited about.
As for gear comparisons, we're more than capable of doing so - we do this extensively, internally. The main reason we don't include comparisons in our free reviews is because doing so takes even more of our time which, as well as stopping us doing other things, at best means the review gets delayed, at worst never completed. Having said this we've taken your and others' feedback along these lines on board and, as you might've seen already, will try to include some gear comparisons here and there when we can.
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Love you Guys! Super explanations in all things like wings ,harnesses or rescue systems and/or Special flight Situation ! handling ectr. please continue ! best regards Bernhard
I love and hate these reviews. Love to see the video and get the reviews, and hate it that now I want yet another glider, because the one reviewed is always "better" than what I have. I always have total glider envy after seeing one of these.
@@susankent1030 Hi Susan. Last I heard, you're going to have a long wait for the Beat to be replaced. From all my testing, I don't see that Phi have any reason to replace them; currently the best all-round mid B wings on the market, IMO. Just my impression but, I think the Beat and Beat Light marked a change in Phi wings which has since trickled down and up to their other new models. They are just so incredibly well sorted all-round, lovely to launch and fly in all conditions, and go so well! Definitely classic models that will always be very fondly remembered by their owners, I think! 🥰
ps. Sorry to create glider envy! 😜 Of course since we sell gear that's bound to be part of reason for producing these reviews but actually the main reason we continue to do this (despite all the effort, failures and criticism) is to share some insight into our views on the latest gear we happen to be testing with the free flight community, as part of what we do for a living. Of course the Maestro 2 has significantly more performance than the Beat - especially speed and glide at speed - but the pilot demands are also higher, both on the ground and in the air. Having done loads of SIV and some low-level acro on the Beat and Beat Light, and some basic SIV on the Maestro 2, my findings are the Maestro 2 is significantly more demanding - even if it's one of the less demanding high B wings - mainly because the Beat and Beat Light are so well behaved and forgiving. IMO, your mileage may vary, etc etc.
Amazing review Carlo! I am happy that Hannes listened the ex Maestro1 owners and replaced the bad stuff of it and kept the good ones. I would love to see Sigma 11 and Maestro 2 compared to each other. I think Phi Maestro was always a suprise performance wise to higher cat. wingflyer pilots.
Great review Carlo. I was lucky enough to have a demo(21 flying at 96) for 2 booming days recently. A real revelation. My views were similar to yours...though I could not express it so eloquently. All the best.
Hi Steve! 👋 Thanks for commenting, I am truly honoured! 😎 Great you got to test fly a Maestro 2 21, interesting that your findings flying on booming days were similar to mine, flying in mostly breezy, choppy and mildly- to moderately- thermic days. 🤓 Haha, if ever I can express things as eloquently as you I might get less criticism for being too vague! 😅 Hope all's good with you and yours. 🤗 Always look forward to your next creations! 🎨🖼 Ciao for now. Nancy says hi. Remember her pre-CP spiral landings with you years ago? 🙃
Hi Carlo, great review ! I had put the MAESTRO 2 already high on my list for a glider to try (and why not buy), but after your review it's on top of my list 🙂If you want me to do some correcting on the subtitles, my pleasure. Phi isn't fear 😁
The Maestro 2 is a great glider. I'd say it has better handling and launch behavior than the Maestro, and feels more solid. The annoying leading edge tuck habit of the Maestro seems to be gone. It still retains the feedback of most Phi gliders, which I like. Overall it's a very forgiving and easy to fly glider with enough performance to make me happy. On bar the R07 risers and C-handles are fantastic and a huge improvement over the Maestro. My favorite part of all the Phi wings is that no special packing is required. I land and stuff it in an Ozone Easy Bag, can pack in under 2 min.
I have a Rise 4 - Air Design, Allegro lite - Phi and just bought a Maestro 2 Lite which should arrive any week. I will do a review/walkaround when i get it. I have owned a Maestro, Rise 3 and a UP Summit XC3 before. The High B range is getting interesting imagine where it will be in 5 years.
@@flybubbleparagliding i should receive my M2 Lite in Bumble bee colour in a few weeks and will do a walk around here in Australia will send you the video
Hey Brad. I also own a Rise3 and am in the market to switch to a maestro 1/2 or to a rise 4. How would you compare the gliders in terms of handling (on/off bar), thermic and demand on the pilot. Is an upgrade really worth it in your opinion? If so, why in particular?
@@Trebla9876543210 Hey Albert, I have a few hundred hours on my Rise 4 and love the Rise 4 its a great wing to fly 8-9 /10. The M2 Lite i just bought and have 6 hours now on it and feel its slightly better wing in terms of glide. I cant say in thermals because i live on the beach and only fly inland around xmas. I will be taking both wings inland shortly for my holidays and will put up another video about that.. The M2 lite maybe 9/10 - Definately upgrade the Rise 3 is oldish Tech the 4 is better with brake handling and the M2 lite is also better than the 1 in terms of glide and handling and friends have said it handles thermals great.
i think an interesting video would be a comparison between this and other high b’s similar (gin avid, rush6, mentor7, iota dls) i am in the market right now and all of the wings sound so great! it makes it really hard to choose just one ;)
This glider is high on my radar, thanks for the review! Since you tested the 21 and 22 and are pretty much in my weight range (94 all up), which one would you recommend? The 21 in the top end of the range, or the 22 more in the middle of the range?
Same weight and quesion here.... I've tested the 22 already with about 95kg... I't felt not that agile! Not sure which size fits better... Hannes's Philosophie is "test it and then decide"🤔
Never fly Maestro wing in the middle. These wings designed to be flown on the upper end. If you fly on max weight you will experience zero disadvantage.
@@turkeyphant Looks like you never flown in hardcore conditions in the Alps. Agree that for flatland xc might be ok to fly in da middle. Dont try it in big mountains were strong valley wind systems exists like Austria, Switzerland, etc or places like Piedrahita. I live in Tirol, AT. In UK fine.
Would be interesting to hear your opinions comparing it with the Ikuma2. I think that would give those about to get a high B some expert opinion before they shell out the cash
I Have the Ikuma2 ... I'd say if you have any experience with active flying and wanna do long XC flights ... Maestro is a bit better. The 2,5 liner design has its strengths.
From our experience of dealing professionally with very many freeflight manufacturers over more than 30 years, even the brands with the very best build quality and quality control (in our experience, Advance and Niviuk) can have "a few build quality issues". It's probably impossible for any brand to never have any issues - and trying to achieve 0% issues is probably grossly inefficient from a production point of view. Better to minimise issues at an efficient level and then fix any issues that arise. About Phi specifically, the build quality is generally excellent, with few build quality issues. Sticking to facts, Phi offer an exceptional warranty, even covering accidental damage within the first year, and from our experience have proven to give exceptional service when issues do occur, as they will for every brand.
carlo, the projected area is only 18.82, means , means even 0,4 qm smaller than the first maestro light. I like flying at the top, the S19, loaded at 85 kg, does it climb in weak thermals ? that was at all phi gliders I have tried not so amazing....
Why do so many people still use Rush 6 in EN-B comps compared to this and other similar wings? is it really that much better in performance at top levels even compared to Hannes' designs?
Its because this wing has only just been certified. There is no-one flying comps with these yet because they just aren't out there in the hands of the pilots. Rush 6 and Maestro 2 will have similar performance. The Maestro 2 should be a little more comfortable to fly for the same performance. Maestro 2 should have a touch more top end speed over the Rush 6. Time will tell how these two wings compete. My Maestro 2 Light is already on order.
Good point by Dirk. Also, keep in mind the gliders used in top level comps, basically 90% Ozone? This must mean something for their technology being used in easier wings too... but its good to see something that seems competitve to the Rush.
@@turkeyphant It's all about marketing and who does a better job advertising their own wing. Differences are so little, that they don't make a difference. In comps one better decisions wins the race.
@@flybubbleparagliding I presently fly a Rook 3 and thinking of changing to a Maestro 2. Can you clarify the way in which the gliders are quite different. Thank you
And again, a whole lot of typical review sentences without any scientific evidence: better glide, less sink rate, more passive safety. You say this BS in every single review you make. And it's not just you, almost everyone follows the same trend on every new wing released. Don't feel ridiculous? I certainly would.
Maybe its just because most modern High B wings from most manufacturers are just really good. If you pay attention to the review he states the kind of pilot that might like this wing and it all relates to handling and feel. That's the most important part. Plus its his job to sell wings. What do you expect?
I thought the same, but then I realized that the bad gliders are just not going to have their review released (not only at Flybubble, in general). I think that there is just no intention for anybody to invest time into reviewing a glider they don't like. If the review is released and it is full of the positive stuff, the manufacturer might have done his job and released a solid product. Of course this better glide and less sink is BS, but all I want is a finished glider which has been constructed thoughtfully.
Sascha - I see your point but given there's no scientific way to make any measurements what else can they do? It does make it hard as a consumer when every wing is described more or less the same whether on reviews on UA-cam or Ziad or pgforum threads.
@@flybubbleparagliding Hey thanks, my day is great, my manners could be better :) Still, I made my point and it's a grudge other pilots have with you reviewers too. If all the wings reviewed are so good and have virtually no flaws, should we assume that they are all the same wing? And choose only by colour and weight range? My inputs: - try to also find some negative points in ur review, it adds credibility. And if that costs you time, meaning u have to fly the wing more or pull collapses and give ur expert opinion on the wings reaction, even if partially biased, it's still much better than just bragging positively about it. - don't be so apologetic when u really try to point out some imperfection -> it looks like u are afraid that producers won't send u other wings to be tested. Paragliding is a "little world" sport, everyone knows everyone, but this facade of giving out only compliments and no complaints, is pretty much obvious and annoying. - for a high b-wing, theoretically at least a "thrid" wing, u could dig down a bit more on the technicality and explain how this affects flight the flight -> number of cells, A/R, span, etc - compare it to other wings you have in stock? Say names! Don't be afraid to put one producers, one wing, against another. Competition is what keeps this sport improving. From what I recall u pointed out that the c-handle in the mentor is adjustable, whereas on the maestro 2 is not. Excellent! For sure there are other things that could be discovered by making direct comparisons (even if Hannes doesn't like it). From what I know the only reviewer who stands out a little because he doesn't only caresses the producers ego is Ziad Bassil, and he is quite successfull this way. Maybe his claims are even more unsupported than others, but consumers are happy to know what to expect also in a negative way. PS: I am a nobody, read my inputs with a big pinch of salt. I am just a frustrated consumer that bought his third wing based on how it looks.
@@svetre87 Choosing a new wing takes a lot of research but worth doing to find the best one for you. There's a limit to how much information you are going to get out of each type of review. Think of this type as a 'first look'. Watch the other videos from this channel to see what the pilots enjoy most in a wing - sometimes it's handling at the top of the list, sometimes performance. Compare that to what you prefer. it's worth the work. Then go and find all the 'SIV' videos for that wing - or wait for them to come out - they will soon enough! That will tell you a lot more than a few collapses at trim at a local hill. How readily does a wing go into autorotation. Where is the spin point. What's the stall recovery like? Talk to your SIV instructor, have they had any of the wings you are interested coming through on their courses yet? How does the wing compare to your skill level? Read the manufacture's information a few times. It's not in their interest to sell you the wrong wing for you. Get to know what special sauce manufacturer's use in their wings. Ozone for example test in a region with frequently turbulent conditions. Their wings tend to have a very strong leading edge. Some pilots like that, some don't. As a pilot, you are constantly progressing. It's very hard to take that out of the equation when trying to create an objective list of positives and negatives on your wish list. It's worth trying though. Write down what you like in your current wing, what you don't like. Let it brew for a few days and then come back to it. Write down what you want to progress in skills wise in the next couple of years and let that sit for a while too. The pilot's needs and preferences are a much bigger factor than comparing one wing to another - in the end that doesn't really matter much as they are all very close. We tend to think, "oh, it's this wing, I need something else' but almost always we'd get much more out of doing an SIV or a guided XC trip and evaluate ourselves. Then we can choose our shiny new toy equipped with all the right information. Hope this helps you and anyone else struggling to choose. The short answer is it's a lot more down to us and the work we put in - it's your wing and your life after all.
the wording you used did not sell me on this glider , "reasonably " is not a reassuring word , nor is the video , you struggled a-little ( Granted I wasn't there ergo we dont know the conditions and gust factor) would you say there are better kite brands out there with better handling in this category ?
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It seems like every glider you test is good, so it would be interesting to make a comparison with ones such as the Ikuma, the Rush, the Mentor, the Base etc ...
@nonobebert7646 Thanks for your feedback. Actually not every wing we test is good (in our opinion). However, since creating these free reviews actually takes a great deal of time (and as a micro free-flight business our time and resources are quite limited) we generally choose to focus our energies on sharing our opinions on gear we're more excited about.
As for gear comparisons, we're more than capable of doing so - we do this extensively, internally. The main reason we don't include comparisons in our free reviews is because doing so takes even more of our time which, as well as stopping us doing other things, at best means the review gets delayed, at worst never completed. Having said this we've taken your and others' feedback along these lines on board and, as you might've seen already, will try to include some gear comparisons here and there when we can.
For detailed wing and harness comparisons, and expert buying advice tailored to the individual, see our Flybubble MATCH service: flybubble.com/flybubble-match-service
Love you Guys! Super explanations in all things like wings ,harnesses or rescue systems and/or Special flight Situation ! handling ectr. please continue ! best regards Bernhard
Definitely a glider I’ll be looking at to upgrade to in a year or so. Thanks for your review.
I love and hate these reviews. Love to see the video and get the reviews, and hate it that now I want yet another glider, because the one reviewed is always "better" than what I have. I always have total glider envy after seeing one of these.
I am waiting for the Beat 2. I very much like PHI gliders and their feel in the air.
@@susankent1030 Hi Susan. Last I heard, you're going to have a long wait for the Beat to be replaced. From all my testing, I don't see that Phi have any reason to replace them; currently the best all-round mid B wings on the market, IMO. Just my impression but, I think the Beat and Beat Light marked a change in Phi wings which has since trickled down and up to their other new models. They are just so incredibly well sorted all-round, lovely to launch and fly in all conditions, and go so well! Definitely classic models that will always be very fondly remembered by their owners, I think! 🥰
ps. Sorry to create glider envy! 😜 Of course since we sell gear that's bound to be part of reason for producing these reviews but actually the main reason we continue to do this (despite all the effort, failures and criticism) is to share some insight into our views on the latest gear we happen to be testing with the free flight community, as part of what we do for a living. Of course the Maestro 2 has significantly more performance than the Beat - especially speed and glide at speed - but the pilot demands are also higher, both on the ground and in the air. Having done loads of SIV and some low-level acro on the Beat and Beat Light, and some basic SIV on the Maestro 2, my findings are the Maestro 2 is significantly more demanding - even if it's one of the less demanding high B wings - mainly because the Beat and Beat Light are so well behaved and forgiving. IMO, your mileage may vary, etc etc.
Amazing review Carlo! I am happy that Hannes listened the ex Maestro1 owners and replaced the bad stuff of it and kept the good ones. I would love to see Sigma 11 and Maestro 2 compared to each other. I think Phi Maestro was always a suprise performance wise to higher cat. wingflyer pilots.
Best. Great Stability and loves climbing …. I’d never by from any other manufacturer than PHI
Great review Carlo. I was lucky enough to have a demo(21 flying at 96) for 2 booming days recently. A real revelation. My views were similar to yours...though I could not express it so eloquently. All the best.
Hi Steve! 👋 Thanks for commenting, I am truly honoured! 😎 Great you got to test fly a Maestro 2 21, interesting that your findings flying on booming days were similar to mine, flying in mostly breezy, choppy and mildly- to moderately- thermic days. 🤓 Haha, if ever I can express things as eloquently as you I might get less criticism for being too vague! 😅 Hope all's good with you and yours. 🤗 Always look forward to your next creations! 🎨🖼 Ciao for now. Nancy says hi. Remember her pre-CP spiral landings with you years ago? 🙃
Hi Carlo, great review ! I had put the MAESTRO 2 already high on my list for a glider to try (and why not buy), but after your review it's on top of my list 🙂If you want me to do some correcting on the subtitles, my pleasure. Phi isn't fear 😁
@@flybubbleparagliding just sent you an e-mail .....
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Hi Carlo great review as always :)
Did you like it more in the middle of the weight range or heavy loaded?
I want to know too. I guess it depends most where we fly.
wow i want to experience that one day. I hope i dont get sleep while flying because of the wind ☺️❤️
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The Maestro 2 is a great glider. I'd say it has better handling and launch behavior than the Maestro, and feels more solid. The annoying leading edge tuck habit of the Maestro seems to be gone. It still retains the feedback of most Phi gliders, which I like. Overall it's a very forgiving and easy to fly glider with enough performance to make me happy. On bar the R07 risers and C-handles are fantastic and a huge improvement over the Maestro. My favorite part of all the Phi wings is that no special packing is required. I land and stuff it in an Ozone Easy Bag, can pack in under 2 min.
Hey carlo... Which size felt better in your opinion? The 21 with 90-95 or the or the 22 in the middle of the range with ~96kg? Greetz ✌🏻✌🏻
I have a Rise 4 - Air Design, Allegro lite - Phi and just bought a Maestro 2 Lite which should arrive any week. I will do a review/walkaround when i get it. I have owned a Maestro, Rise 3 and a UP Summit XC3 before. The High B range is getting interesting imagine where it will be in 5 years.
@@flybubbleparagliding i should receive my M2 Lite in Bumble bee colour in a few weeks and will do a walk around here in Australia will send you the video
Hey Brad. I also own a Rise3 and am in the market to switch to a maestro 1/2 or to a rise 4. How would you compare the gliders in terms of handling (on/off bar), thermic and demand on the pilot. Is an upgrade really worth it in your opinion? If so, why in particular?
@@Trebla9876543210 Hey Albert, I have a few hundred hours on my Rise 4 and love the Rise 4 its a great wing to fly 8-9 /10. The M2 Lite i just bought and have 6 hours now on it and feel its slightly better wing in terms of glide. I cant say in thermals because i live on the beach and only fly inland around xmas. I will be taking both wings inland shortly for my holidays and will put up another video about that.. The M2 lite maybe 9/10 - Definately upgrade the Rise 3 is oldish Tech the 4 is better with brake handling and the M2 lite is also better than the 1 in terms of glide and handling and friends have said it handles thermals great.
Thanks for the review! How do you feel it compares performance and handling wise to the Allegro? Is there enough to make Allegro worth the jump now?
i think an interesting video would be a comparison between this and other high b’s similar (gin avid, rush6, mentor7, iota dls) i am in the market right now and all of the wings sound so great! it makes it really hard to choose just one ;)
Also add Chili 5 and Freedom 2 to the mix. Pick the one with the best availability.
Except the Mentor 7, Flow Freedom 2 the rest is not competitor of the M2.
@@airgaborpara3824 why not?
This glider is high on my radar, thanks for the review! Since you tested the 21 and 22 and are pretty much in my weight range (94 all up), which one would you recommend? The 21 in the top end of the range, or the 22 more in the middle of the range?
Same weight and quesion here.... I've tested the 22 already with about 95kg... I't felt not that agile! Not sure which size fits better... Hannes's Philosophie is "test it and then decide"🤔
Never fly Maestro wing in the middle. These wings designed to be flown on the upper end. If you fly on max weight you will experience zero disadvantage.
@@airgaborpara3824 Unlike other designers, Hannes always says he thinks optimal weight is in the middle.
@@turkeyphant Looks like you never flown in hardcore conditions in the Alps. Agree that for flatland xc might be ok to fly in da middle. Dont try it in big mountains were strong valley wind systems exists like Austria, Switzerland, etc or places like Piedrahita. I live in Tirol, AT. In UK fine.
@@airgaborpara3824 I've flown in Piedrahíta in July and Aug but that's not relevant, I'm just repeating what Hannes says.
Can you test the Flare Moustache please? I'd love to hear your thoughts on some fairly new tech
Thanks for the request. If we have time sure but to be honest it's not high on our priority list right now. Never say never...
@@flybubblecarlo Understood... It's like it's not a real paraglider.. hahah
Can you comment on how it compares to the BGD Base2?
Can you compare it with IOTA DLS? What are the main differences?
Iota DLS is just not a big deal. It was tested out, also too expensive. Advance spot on in the C and D class, as always.
@@airgaborpara3824 expensive? Maestro2 is even $500 more than Sigma11, that´s crazy!
Would be interesting to hear your opinions comparing it with the Ikuma2. I think that would give those about to get a high B some expert opinion before they shell out the cash
Umm can you really fly with this without motor ?
How much is this thing ???????🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
I Have the Ikuma2 ... I'd say if you have any experience with active flying and wanna do long XC flights ... Maestro is a bit better. The 2,5 liner design has its strengths.
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I have heard a few build quality issues with the phi gliders whats your thoughts on this?
From our experience of dealing professionally with very many freeflight manufacturers over more than 30 years, even the brands with the very best build quality and quality control (in our experience, Advance and Niviuk) can have "a few build quality issues". It's probably impossible for any brand to never have any issues - and trying to achieve 0% issues is probably grossly inefficient from a production point of view. Better to minimise issues at an efficient level and then fix any issues that arise. About Phi specifically, the build quality is generally excellent, with few build quality issues. Sticking to facts, Phi offer an exceptional warranty, even covering accidental damage within the first year, and from our experience have proven to give exceptional service when issues do occur, as they will for every brand.
carlo, the projected area is only 18.82, means , means even 0,4 qm smaller than the first maestro light. I like flying at the top, the S19, loaded at 85 kg, does it climb in weak thermals ? that was at all phi gliders I have tried not so amazing....
Why do so many people still use Rush 6 in EN-B comps compared to this and other similar wings? is it really that much better in performance at top levels even compared to Hannes' designs?
Its because this wing has only just been certified. There is no-one flying comps with these yet because they just aren't out there in the hands of the pilots. Rush 6 and Maestro 2 will have similar performance. The Maestro 2 should be a little more comfortable to fly for the same performance. Maestro 2 should have a touch more top end speed over the Rush 6. Time will tell how these two wings compete. My Maestro 2 Light is already on order.
@@dirkdiggler3009 yes I know this wing but other high Bs all get ignored. Is this going to be the only one challenging it?
Good point by Dirk. Also, keep in mind the gliders used in top level comps, basically 90% Ozone? This must mean something for their technology being used in easier wings too... but its good to see something that seems competitve to the Rush.
@@turkeyphant It's all about marketing and who does a better job advertising their own wing. Differences are so little, that they don't make a difference. In comps one better decisions wins the race.
@@svetre87 that's probably true at EN-B level but surely not at PWC level?
Why are the rearmost lines loose? Does that not mean that only the fractional front is creating lift? Is that safe?
It is simillar too 777 rook3?
@@flybubbleparagliding Your opinion? Maestro better?
@@flybubbleparagliding I presently fly a Rook 3 and thinking of changing to a Maestro 2. Can you clarify the way in which the gliders are quite different. Thank you
@@flybubbleparagliding Hi Carlo, nice video, could you make comparison to the 777 Rook 3 / 777 R-light 3?
And again, a whole lot of typical review sentences without any scientific evidence: better glide, less sink rate, more passive safety. You say this BS in every single review you make. And it's not just you, almost everyone follows the same trend on every new wing released. Don't feel ridiculous? I certainly would.
Maybe its just because most modern High B wings from most manufacturers are just really good. If you pay attention to the review he states the kind of pilot that might like this wing and it all relates to handling and feel. That's the most important part. Plus its his job to sell wings. What do you expect?
I thought the same, but then I realized that the bad gliders are just not going to have their review released (not only at Flybubble, in general). I think that there is just no intention for anybody to invest time into reviewing a glider they don't like. If the review is released and it is full of the positive stuff, the manufacturer might have done his job and released a solid product. Of course this better glide and less sink is BS, but all I want is a finished glider which has been constructed thoughtfully.
Sascha - I see your point but given there's no scientific way to make any measurements what else can they do? It does make it hard as a consumer when every wing is described more or less the same whether on reviews on UA-cam or Ziad or pgforum threads.
@@flybubbleparagliding Hey thanks, my day is great, my manners could be better :) Still, I made my point and it's a grudge other pilots have with you reviewers too. If all the wings reviewed are so good and have virtually no flaws, should we assume that they are all the same wing? And choose only by colour and weight range?
My inputs:
- try to also find some negative points in ur review, it adds credibility. And if that costs you time, meaning u have to fly the wing more or pull collapses and give ur expert opinion on the wings reaction, even if partially biased, it's still much better than just bragging positively about it.
- don't be so apologetic when u really try to point out some imperfection -> it looks like u are afraid that producers won't send u other wings to be tested. Paragliding is a "little world" sport, everyone knows everyone, but this facade of giving out only compliments and no complaints, is pretty much obvious and annoying.
- for a high b-wing, theoretically at least a "thrid" wing, u could dig down a bit more on the technicality and explain how this affects flight the flight -> number of cells, A/R, span, etc
- compare it to other wings you have in stock? Say names! Don't be afraid to put one producers, one wing, against another. Competition is what keeps this sport improving. From what I recall u pointed out that the c-handle in the mentor is adjustable, whereas on the maestro 2 is not. Excellent! For sure there are other things that could be discovered by making direct comparisons (even if Hannes doesn't like it).
From what I know the only reviewer who stands out a little because he doesn't only caresses the producers ego is Ziad Bassil, and he is quite successfull this way. Maybe his claims are even more unsupported than others, but consumers are happy to know what to expect also in a negative way.
PS: I am a nobody, read my inputs with a big pinch of salt. I am just a frustrated consumer that bought his third wing based on how it looks.
@@svetre87 Choosing a new wing takes a lot of research but worth doing to find the best one for you. There's a limit to how much information you are going to get out of each type of review. Think of this type as a 'first look'. Watch the other videos from this channel to see what the pilots enjoy most in a wing - sometimes it's handling at the top of the list, sometimes performance. Compare that to what you prefer. it's worth the work.
Then go and find all the 'SIV' videos for that wing - or wait for them to come out - they will soon enough! That will tell you a lot more than a few collapses at trim at a local hill. How readily does a wing go into autorotation. Where is the spin point. What's the stall recovery like? Talk to your SIV instructor, have they had any of the wings you are interested coming through on their courses yet? How does the wing compare to your skill level?
Read the manufacture's information a few times. It's not in their interest to sell you the wrong wing for you. Get to know what special sauce manufacturer's use in their wings. Ozone for example test in a region with frequently turbulent conditions. Their wings tend to have a very strong leading edge. Some pilots like that, some don't.
As a pilot, you are constantly progressing. It's very hard to take that out of the equation when trying to create an objective list of positives and negatives on your wish list. It's worth trying though. Write down what you like in your current wing, what you don't like. Let it brew for a few days and then come back to it. Write down what you want to progress in skills wise in the next couple of years and let that sit for a while too. The pilot's needs and preferences are a much bigger factor than comparing one wing to another - in the end that doesn't really matter much as they are all very close. We tend to think, "oh, it's this wing, I need something else' but almost always we'd get much more out of doing an SIV or a guided XC trip and evaluate ourselves. Then we can choose our shiny new toy equipped with all the right information.
Hope this helps you and anyone else struggling to choose. The short answer is it's a lot more down to us and the work we put in - it's your wing and your life after all.
the wording you used did not sell me on this glider , "reasonably " is not a reassuring word , nor is the video , you struggled a-little ( Granted I wasn't there ergo we dont know the conditions and gust factor) would you say there are better kite brands out there with better handling in this category ?
greggggggg?
Nope, not my glider - there are much better gliders on the market for this category, like Mentor7 or Rush or NyosRS!