Please respect the children’s privacy as they go through this difficult time! Much love to everyone watching as always I appreciate the support 💜 Also- I made a mistake the family’s last name is pronounced “Frankie” was going to do a voiceover to clarify but then I forgot 😅 whoops sorry!!
unpopular opinion. I see nothing wrong with parents posting there children and family life if the child is ok with it and isn't forced to perform against their will. of course babies and toddlers can't talk but I don't think theres anything wrong with posting your babies and toddlers either. I understand people are concerned about pred. but pred. are everywhere you Can't stop them no matter what. opinions are just that opinions. you raise your kid as you see fit and other people will raise theirs how they see fit. theres nothing you can do about the way someone else chooses to parent. lastly, there are kids in FOSTER CARE in MUCH more need of help that you could focus on because they continued to be neglected and ignored and abused within the system and by Americana society as a whole.
bro some of y'all gotta tell my mom's ex husband that because he treated me the same way when I was younger...I couldn't cook and I wasn't allowed to touch the snacks..I was too scared of him to tell my mom so I just went hungry until dinner
Yeah, I can already see the issues those poor kids have. When will parents learn that being that strict and abusive will only drive your kids further away, make them feel like they cannot go to you when they are in trouble, and lead them to developing dysfunctional relationships. I’m in my early 30s and am just starting to undo the damage that was done to me. My heart goes out to the kids. 😢
All the families channels are based in child exploitation. And yeas, like actors, this child's must have some strictly rules from governments and platforms.
everyone deserves a comfortable place to sleep, good food to eat, good water to drink and a safe home. and she seems to be ok taking most of those away from her children.
I once punished one of my children by not getting him takeout when I did for my other children. His behavior was way out of control but I definitely still fed him!
Yeah… that shouldn’t be a thing. Mistakes do happen especially I’m sure with lots of children, but in the video it also sounded like this wasn’t the first time this happened!
I am a Mom and a Nana to two grandchildren. Even with my adult daughter, the idea of them even being hungry or cold or sick- the mere thought. To know that child had no food. ..breaks my heart.
I can’t imagine making such a small child responsible for their lunch. I put my first graders lunch in her bag every morning. She has enough new responsibilities being a school kid and starving at school isn’t helpful at all!
I mean if she would forgot about it or the kid left it at home - okay, sure mistakes happens. In the end we are only humans... But openly blaming your 6 year old kid and then saying that HOPEFULLY no one will give her food is straight up some psychopatic behavior.
My daughter is in kindergarten, and every time I hear about what she did, it makes me tear up. That is just cruel. Not even just a simple peanut butter sandwich? (As an example, because I know allergies exist.) I do not think I know of a ten year old that would be able to remember lunch every single day. It was cruel.
The way she smiles wide when her son recounts how she took his bed is revolting. That channel should have been called "2 child abusers and their 6 victims" instead.
I was raised Mormon and im SO glad to hear these parenting "tactics" are coming under fire. Children deserve privacy, respect, and a full belly at the very least.
One of my friends grew up Mormon in Salt Lake and has shared horrible stories with me about their religious trauma from childhood. It made me so sad for them but I'm happy they're out of the church/had their name removed and are doing super well now. I hope you're doing well also!
Dang, I was raised LDS as well, any my parents have NRVER used these "tactics". I am also raising my children LDS and I have NEVER treated my children this way... it it a Utah thing?
The fact that Ruby is now giving advice to parents on how to punish their kids, and her kids don’t even talk to her now, is crazy to me. Her lack of self awareness proves how much of a narcissist she is.
@@mielissa100ify You probably mean well, but let people call it out for what it is. It doesn’t help victims of narcissistic abuse at all when others constantly tell them that ”the word is thrown around way too much”. Never feel more bad for narcissists than their victims.
@@saeranchoi3343 narcissism is a personality disorder, not a form of abuse. I was abused by someone with depression, but we don't call it "depression abuse". We name it after the kind of abuse dealt instead. Mental, physical, etc. We shouldn't go around naming abuse after disabled people that may or may not have committed it. We aren't like "my cousin suffered amputee abuse" just bc the person who did it was an amputee. It would imply there was something inherently dangerous with a specific group of disabled people. That's just ableism. This is no disrespect to people who were abused by people with NPD. Their abuse is real. But they weren't abused bc their abuser was disabled. Their abuser just chose to do those things and happened to be disabled.
@@twistysunshine You’re talking about NPD, not narcissism. Even then, it shouldn’t be compared to disabilities. A person having lost their limb is nowhere near the same as someone choosing to torment other people because it makes them feel good and gives them a sense of control. As a victim of narcissistic abuse I find it absolutely disrespectful that people are telling us that we can’t talk about the specific kind of abuse we’ve experienced. This is how you enable abuse, by silencing people who try to talk about it. ua-cam.com/video/eISuc8v7B1M/v-deo.html Here is a very good video talking about the topic.
@@saeranchoi3343 my father has undiagnosed NPD. He abused me. However people literally don't have a difference between NPD and narcissism bc the words both refer to the same personality disorder. People have used the words around narcissism as an insult for many years, the same way as they do for "dumb". When people patholigize "narcissism" they aren't creating a new separate term called from NPD. They just demonize NPD and then say that people with these traits do these things. Then go onto describe mental emotional and physical abuse. I agree we shouldn't conflate disability with abuse. That's the whole point of my comment. You can't just name a group of people, say "all these people are abusers inherently". There's no convenient bad people group to sort people into without also hurting people.
My mother rewarded me with food and punished me not providing me with food because of my “high functioning” autism while also not disclosing my diagnosis with me. Let’s just say I had to steal food to survive and I developed a binge eating habit. I’m in recovery now. I have been no contact with my parents for 21 years, and I received an autism spectrum diagnosis last month. I found my old papers she had hidden and I feel validated finally in my 40s. These 8 passengers parents are cruel and abusive and neglectful and are exploiting their children for financial gain. Total narcs.
I’m so, so sorry you went through that. As a fellow neurodivergent person, I can only imagine how horrible that must have been to experience and how painful the healing can be. Wishing nothing but the best for you.
I'm so very sorry to hear that! My wife is on the spectrum, and her mum is a narcissist, so this really hits home for me! So glad you are getting treatment and are away from her! I wish you the best of luck on your way to recovery, it sounds like you are very much on the path to success!
They should just demonetize any channel involving minors as a major part of them. That might demotivate older teens from starting their own channels but putting that off a few years to prevent this abusive genre of family channels or child influencers being pressured to film by their parents seems a fair trade.
I completely agree! I really do believe that if YT demonetizes any video where a minor is shown or featured, family channels will become a thing of the past since the parents wouldn't be able to financially benefit from their kid.
That’s my thought as well. Just demonetize any and all videos featuring kids. That would stop a lot of this exploitation. I’d be curious to see how many still would upload.
When she says "You can play with friends!" to her young adult son as if he's a 4 year old as he's trying to tell her shes ruined his life and she just ignores it is like arthouse cinema levels of crazy.
Still watching this video but I just wanna say I respect you sooo much for always blurring out the children's faces even though the parents don't. Big respect also for not showing your child's face on your public social media until he is old enough to consent to that as well
Right!! And she also does it without really saying anything, like it should be obvious why they’re blurred. And it absolutely should be!! Blurring kids faces should be the standard at this point, so I love to see it❤
Same it make angers that UA-cam did not take down 8 passengers but not only that the dad saw what she was doing to their kids and did nothing about it. He enabling Ruby to abuse her kids and the pisses me off so much
Instead of saying "I will cut it's head off" she could have said something along "Mummy gets sad when you cut mama's things, just as you would be if someone cut yours. Please respect others belongings as we respect yours."
I think it's very telling that her mind went 'I don't want my daughter to move out because I won't be able to control her' vs 'oh I'm going to miss her and worry about her'
It's so strange and creepy to hear her talk about "Mantel of power" and stuff. Her wording is scary and vague at times like giving her kids "truth" for christmas
She's afraid of her kids going online and truly understanding how exploitative of them she has been. She must be terrifying to live with. I feel so bad for her children. I hope they can get out and get help.
With the school tiktok I was so confused with her crying she's like "they're trying to introduce them to the world" 😭 uhm...yah? So? What do you teach them?
wilderness programs are hell like literally kids die in wilderness programs. my parents sent me away to a troubled teen facility when I was 13, and although it was insanely abusive and traumatizing, there was always the threat of getting sent to a wilderness program instead if we weren’t “working the program” at the facility we were at.
Absolutely, and Utah has some of the most notorious ones. There was a whole podcast about one organization; a young girl died when they took the kids on a *nighttime hike in a cave without flashlights* and she fell.
She had that meltdown because she realized that she is not gonna have control over her children's lives this is the most narcissistic and controlling person I have seen in forever
"She was uncomfortable with her not having a lunch and it would ease her discomfort if I brought her a lunch" Bone chilling to hear her say that. I know it's not possible but I wish there was some way to prevent abusive and cruel people from ever having children.
She is insulting the teachers by wasting their time by with holding their food. The proven fact is that studying while hungry is effectively wasted time.
She says it so condescendingly too - as if it's some kind of failure on the teacher's part for being "uncomfortable" with a child in their care going hungry.
@@jon-paulfilkins7820 not to mention how that probably made the teacher feel. Obviously the child is the most important part of this, but it just had me thinking. I’m sure they found the child something to eat. But it’s messed up to put an outsider in the middle of something like that.
I had a mother similar to this. (there wasn't social media in those days, that's the only difference) Now I'm in my late 30's, and I have no contact with her, nor have I had contact with her since I was in my early 20's. The trauma of having basic needs taken away (food, beds) with the added devastation of watching birthday presents/parties returned or cancelled over not passing a spelling test, or telling a sibling to go away makes for an adult who tries to get approval in any way possible, which doesn't always end well. My heart breaks for the road these kids are going to have to go down to realize that they ARE deserving of the love and protection they didn't get from the people who should have loved and protected them. I hope they find happiness and safety.
That's very sad ,I'm so very sorry you had to experience that! I understand naturally you might have some issues related to your childhood, although I'm just a stranger online I relate & have a massive amount of empathy from you , sending hope from Australia 🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌟
As someone who lives in Utah, grew up in the area that they are currently living, and had CPS called on my mother on multiple occasions for similar treatment. I can truthfully tell you there is nothing they can or will do even if they did investigate
@@thiccredgyal3404 it is the culture of needing to maintain the “perfect household” around here. It is not as bad as it used to be but the times can only change so much
Yeah, there's not a lot the public can do to help at this point, so hopefully as the kids reach adulthood they'll leave and cut ties, which I guess would be the best outcome. Ruby alone.
She won't feed her 5-6 yr old child??? That isn't right. They need food. Thats also too young, to me. Eventually I took over my own lunches, but when I was older, not as a 5-6 yr old. And I would share or trade with others if they didnt have food. Thats why there are food programs at school so no kid goes hungry. What a sick twisted woman.
I was packing myself 'lunches' from about 7 and I was not capable of doing it haha, usually it would be an apple and a yogurt and maybe an unbuttered bread roll or if I was lucky and we had them a musli bar Definitely not an appropriate or realistic expectation to have for most kids under let's say.. 8/9? Ridiculous to expect of a kindergartner, this video is proving really hard to get through, this woman is a petty dictator and I feel so bad for these kids Edit:spelling!
Exactly! Ruby even showed what Eve packed for herself and made fun of her lunch since it was just one of those Nutella snack packs and another little treat. Like what did you expect? She’s like 5 lmao
I cannot imagine being a little, helpless child, wanting to be with your mother only to have a camera shoved in your face. I picture every interaction to be like; Kid: “Mom, I don’t feel well, I think I’m sick.” *turns on camera, points at child* Mom: “Hey guyssss, welcome back to my channel, child is sick today and not feeling well….(fake concerned face) look how bad she looks! She’s starting to tear up- what am I gonna do???” Literally a living hell for those poor kids.
This is really great documentation on how malignant narcissists destroy their families while blaming the kids the whole way. Her kids are not allowed to be independent people, no doubt in her mind children are possessions who are meant to unquestionably obey their abusive parents..
One thing I really appreciate is that we know nothing about your own child. You are keeping your baby safe and after seeing what these children had to go through being exposed online, it's just really comforting.
Will forever find it painfully, horrifically ironic that those like Ruby who spend so much of their time and energy worrying about the so-called "evils" of the modern world...proceed to post their kids' faces, full names, hobbies, school, etc. to the whole gd planet with barely a second thought.
Dependent/ neglect. Physical abuse. Emotional abuse. Mental abuse...filmed for the world to see. SMH. These poor children. How..I mean..why? How much more proof can one provide to agencies? And these parents knowingly uploaded this? I don't get it. Daddy of 5. Mika or whatever that ladies name was. When does it end? Much respect for blurring the childrens' faces. And for respecting your own.💜
I completely agree I think sometimes bad people are attracted to the idea of being a youtuber for bad reasons and they unknowingly show their cruel mess to the whole world and just expose themselves
I don't get it either. I can just say, that in my opinion, this mother is one of the best (or actually worst) examples of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) . The way she starts to smirk, when she films her children cry is just scary. I feel like in her head it is all about getting the attention she wants, and no one else's feelings (or mental AND physical health) matters to her in any way shape or form... The world would be a much better place, if NPD would make you sterile... Those poor children will need so much therapy when they grow up... Though a narcissistic mother would very likely try telling her kids they don't need that, and that therapy is for the weak or some shit (which in her opinion couldn't be true for HER kids, cause she did EVERYTHING right with them... not being able to realize, that they might need to heal from all the trauma SHE put onto them and that she was the one, leaving her kids with mental problems, that's at least my experience) I just hope, that those kids will someday be able to find someone who actually loves them and will someday learn, how to love themselves, cause growing up like that can only leave them so insecure, poor kids...
@@bunnybug7668 to me they’re worse. At least monsters are up front about being awful. Narcissistic parents will ruin your life while gaslighting you into thinking they love you. In reality they just love extensions of themselves.
FOR THOSE UNAWARE: Ruby Franke and her business partner Jodi were arrested on charges of child abuse and neglect. I won't go into the details but the children who were at Jodi's home at the time of the arrest were found malnourished and emaciated, but luckily both are alive and hopefully safe now that they are away from those two monsters. I hope they both rot in hell
This still makes me happy, but remember in Utah state laws, 15 years is the maximum sentence for child abuse. While that is still a lot of time, it’s not that long, considering if she’s a first time offender, so she might get maybe 14 months to 5 years in prison if found guilty.
As a parent who was raised like these children and now have ZERO relationships with my parents, I'm happy to say my son was NOT raised like I was and he's 16 and we are very close and have mutual respect and trust for each other. This "mother" is SICK.
I just hope these kids find real healing. It’s so hard to live and function as a normal adult after you’ve experienced abuse. Especially extreme religious abuse. My heart breaks for all of these kids. Ruby will 100% be one of those old people in a home somewhere complaining that her “ungrateful” kids never visit or call but won’t look in a mirror and realize WHY.
Family channels should never have been monetised in the first place. They open children up to so many dangerous and demeaning situations during their most important developmental years. Not to mention the bullying they could face in the future. Ruby makes my skin crawl - her priorities are so warped.
Ruby never considers that maybe her daughter did pack a lunch but forgot to bring it with her because SHE'S AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KID the least she could do is have a checklist to make sure her kids has everything they need if she's not gonna help her make a lunch...and then there's another video where she's making fun of Eve for packing her lunch weird and her son snapping back at her because... y'know she's a kid. My guess is that she's the kind of parent who wants all her kids to be as independent as possible and dulls out punishment if her other kids try to help each other. She wants her kids to be independent early because it means she doesn't have to actually parent them properly.
The weird thing is that she wants her children to be self sufficient but at the same time wants to keep them on the shortest leash possible with not wanting them to move out of the house.
She doesn't want her kids to be independent is the thing. Seems to me tht she views them as extensions of herself, which is why she is so controlling and bizarre with her expectations. Kids should read her mind, intuit her expectations, and gladly accept correction, and any other behaviour is worthy of the crazy punishments she doles out, in her mind. I bet these kids hear variants of "I wouldn't have to do this if you weren't do difficult/nasty/a bad kid etc" on the regular and get their poor minds twisted until they too believe everything is actually their fault. Disgusting way to treat your own kids Independence is dangerous in this kind of family dynamic, she wants control completely and utterly, she just doesn't want to parent her kids in a proper loving way. Maybe she isn't capable of that healthy sort of parenting, the expectations she has of her kids are so very detached from the reality of what a child needs. My heart breaks for these kids I won't lie, this has been hard to watch and I'm not even halfway. Just keeps getting worse and worse. So glad I was a kid before family channels because my mum is very like this woman in terms of personality and the fuckery we experienced would have been even more confusing . These poor poor kids, I hope they escape and thrive away from their parents
@@vee1545 I think she wants her kids independent in the sense that she doesn't have to put any work into caring for them she's stated before she wants all her kids out at 18 regardless of whether they have a job or housing but she also wants control of her kids lifestyle without having to financially support them...I'm pretty sure one of their kids is already out of the house and cut them off
Her car meltdown about the TikTok dance was the most infuriating thing... After everything she did to her kids and proudly shared to the world, HOW can you possibly act like you care about "protecting the kids".
I grew up with very strict Mormon grandparents and their parenting was similar in some aspects. When my dad was young in the late 60s early 70s they sent him to Provo. It was a terrible situation for him, he passed away in 2019 but he told me stories of his time from there. He eventually escaped and hitch hiked back to Missouri. Because of my grandparents only 2 of their 4 children spoke to them over the years. My dad did but wasn't often the two that don't haven't spoke to them in over 30 yrs. My grandma has since passed and my grandpa is 94.. ex Mormons often speak of abuse. It's not always what people think. There's a weird culture within
That was f*cking scary seeing her lament losing “the mantle of power” over her daughter who started college 12 minutes away from the family home. This lady would have even Joan Crawford telling her to take a chill pill. Edit: not saying it’s bad for parents to be anxious or even feel some sense of grief when their children start college. That’s totally understandable. But that usually has a tone of “how am I going to protect them when they’re away? How will I know they’re safe?” Again, that’s natural and relatable. As opposed to lamenting that you are losing a sliver of control and can no longer fully filter and censor what they experience in life. That’s scary.
First, thank you for covering these disgusting people. Second, armchair psychoanalyzing here: does she hate being a mother? I’m a woman who never had interest in being a parent 24/7. I’m much more the cool aunt type, but I didn’t marry and have kids. But, is this her issue? I means she’s crazy sadistic, and I don’t know why anyone would marry her but people who shouldn’t be parents become parents every day.
I think especially when a huge philosophy of your religion is to have a lot of children, people who may not want to be parents feel obligated to become one
I grew up Mormon and the pressure to have children and be a stay at home mom is so intense, definitely made people who should never of been parents into them, creating monsters. The church has ruined so many lives with their misogynistic bullsh!t
@@cruelworldhappymind Yes, I was wondering about that. So many do and it’s cruel to do to people. I always think of poor Andrea Yates who even had doctors saying that she couldn’t manage another pregnancy and yet he got her pregnant again because… God. Anyway, love your work! Very good research and insight.
@@capital_L283 That’s how it seems. I got sort of obsessed with some of the cases where the Mormon husband killed his wife: Dr McNeill, the Powells, and some cases whose names I sadly forget. It struck me that while the men/families could have committed their crimes in mainstream American society, it seemed like they all knew how to manipulate Mormonism to their favor. I was so sad to learn that apparently a female Mormon is taught the she can only reach god through her father or husband. Tragic message.
I swear, every lady I've met with the name Ruby has been the nastiest busy body ever. I feel bad for her kids growing up without friends, because they won't have anything good to look back on in the future. That's usually the silver lining with abusive households, and it sucks that even despite the distancing and disapproval, there's always a chance her kids continue the cycle with their own kids. That doesn't just get "unlearned." Parenting can be a legacy to bring prosperity to the new generations of your family, or it can be an infection that you have to, not only recognize, but also find a way to cure and supplant with better ideals and parenthood. Knowing what not to do is honestly the best you can expect, so I hope her kids find a way to break the cycle, because it probably didn't start with Ruby.
@@cruelworldhappymind I can’t imagine depriving a child of food!! The horrible treatment from the parents literally steals their children’s childhoods 😢
Thank you so much for blurring the kids faces! I was in a similar situation for a long time, and I ended up running away. Afterwords it was super uncomfortable having people in my life see me and try to talk about my situation or even try to change my mind abt it. I can't imagine how horrid it'd have been if my story was public and I had even more people bothering me about this trauma. It's hard to watch this video honestly, but it's so important we call out this type of behaviour because it was videos like this one that made me realize me home life was *not* normal and I needed help. Love the content!
I did a deep dive into wilderness therapy and it is literally child abuse and cruelty . There are so many horror stories, mass graves of children have just recently been found, similar Findings where I'm from in Ireland... Sorry for the depressing comment op
I am a parent and I am big believer of not judging parenting styles but this isn’t parenting. She’s running a jail in her home. It’s sad and odd. The lack of love and fun in that home just makes me sad to think about. All because she has some TRUTH she needs to live. So sad and I hope these kids will be ok.
Hearing Ruby rant in the car about secular music introducing her children to "the world" makes me cringe so violently. My own mom went to my middle school gym teacher and demanded she play more "appropriate" music instead of popular radio hits when I was caught humming a Black Eyed Peas song in 2010. We are no longer on speaking terms, if that says anything about how this kind of invasive parenting impacts peoples' relationships.
Her style is bringing me back to when I was an avid church-goer in middle school. A lot of people were nothing like this, but there was always a few that I couldn't stand or understand. I feel so sorry for those kids. I'm also so thankful my mom was more open-minded than this.
Right! I was born an raises in the church and was NEVER treated this way. I thought my parents were strict, but reading the comments, I'm so glad my parents weren't like this!
The scary thought is, what was their upbringing like if they think thats ok? I can only imagine it wasn't great. I predict a sad future for them as elderly parents. They could just turn their back on them and stick them in a care home. Its a very sad thought. I look after my eighty year old Dad. Because he did everything for me growing up and its my duty I feel, to look after him in his later years. Goodness knows what those kids will think about them.
I don't have it half as bad as these kids and I disowned my father. He's truly fortunate hell never have to rely on me for anything because even putting him up in a home is more than I'd do for him. He could rot on the streets for all I care
This woman has no boundaries to say the least. Her "punishments" come from a deranged, "who the f thinks of this" place, and I hope her children can heal.
Tbh, I've never liked how some family youtube channels can be from being nice and pleasant and soon it slowly or better yet speedily soon becomes problematic; which is something that I never liked. I have heard that some parents even forced their children to be on camera even if the children don't want to. Also i really did not the way how the mother responded to the teachers concern about one of her students doesn't have a lunch saying that "no one should give her daughter any food." Like what the heck?!
It seems like this family channel was one to do that to their kids…. My most charitable take would be that the fame gets to their parents heads and they forgot that their children may not want the fame and money and lifestyle career that they want
@@cruelworldhappymind I completely agree with your statement. Once fame and fortune gets to a person or well people’s minds. They turn into a completely different person/individual. It’s like they only care for the money and not what they want to see what’s best for their children; which is something people should be careful of because the family might end up loosing their children and they will be taken away from their parents and be put in another place away from them because they don’t want their children to live with them because of their parents selfishness.
As someone who grew up LDS (aka Mormon) in Utah, this heavy-handed family and parenting dynamic is, sadly, quite common. I will admit that there are plenty of positive aspects to be seen from the religion and its emphasis on the importance of family, it’s not my intention to disparage the beliefs of others, but this story exemplifies the multiple major pitfalls that can also stem from it. I’ve seen plenty of people just like Ruby in my life. People who grow up in Utah, and LDS communities therein, tend to live in a very sheltered environment, rarely exposed to differing ideas or people. It is to the point where there is a general sense of discomfort or distrust for anyone that is not also LDS or a Utah native. Those ideas or people that do not coincide with the church are designated as “worldly”. When she is crying in the car and says that their school is trying to “expose them to the world”, that is a very common sentiment. On the flip-side, they become way too trusting of anyone that is a fellow church member. That’s why you see all the massive MLMs stemming from Utah with founders that are LDS. Utah provides them with the perfect scamming ground because, “Oh, they go to church every Sunday, so of course they are a good person. They would never scam anyone”. LDS parents do develop a strong mentality that they are “stewards” of their children’s lives and “worthiness”; and that their duty isn’t simply to care for/mentor their children as they grow, but direct them on a very specific path. From the outside looking in, you can see the issues here and how unhealthy this can become for the children. Parents maintain a stranglehold on their life choices, either directly, or even indirectly, simply through the extreme pressure of those expectations. I know firsthand how much those expectations weigh on a child. As they get older, It reaches a point where the child will either fall in line (perpetuating the cycle), lash out in a desperate attempt to express their individuality (often resulting in alienation from the family), or in the worst of cases, choose to take their own life. Utah has one of the highest teen suicide rates in the country, and this is often tied back to the extreme pressure put on youth in LDS culture, though the church adamantly denies this connection. Apologies for stepping into my own perspective at this point. We are so instilled with these ideas of “worthiness” in the eyes of the Lord, and the steps necessary to stay that way, that we feel like we are bad people if we make any deviation. We are so overwhelmed by the expectations of our family and community that it becomes a cage. This is especially common for teens that are LGBTQIA+. Speaking from first-hand experience, there was nothing more horrifying than grappling with the realization that I was gay. There was no thought in my mind more terrifying than my family finding this out. This can feel you with so much despair and self-loathing, that you may come to the conclusion that it makes more sense to end your life than face those consequences. You may even convince yourself that it’s altruistic. That you’re an abomination in the eyes of God and a disappointment to your family. I was one of the lucky ones that was met with unconditional love and open-mindedness from my family when all came to light. I can’t even imagine the darkness that must be felt from those with parents like Ruby, who takes their bed away for 7 months for pulling a harmless prank… I’m also not surprised that Ruby will always double down. Her mindset is so firmly rooted in those beliefs that it’s the only perspective she’ll acknowledge, and it will always reinforce her existing values, rather than give her any cause to question them. For church members like her, it warps into a narcissistic sense of entitlement and need for control. She thinks she is a chosen lamb of God and those that criticize her are “of the world”, in which case she has an obligation to disregard them. She wants to remain in that bubble and she wants to keep her kids there with her.
What she did was straight up child abuse. If to compile everything said and done on camera and bring it to the authorities she'd have no children. This is truly sickening, how can someone do this to children, their own at that?
It’s so alarming that those horrible things is what she willingly put online. What do you think she held back when the cameras weren’t rolling 😮 I hope her kids can find healing and happiness!
The extreme religious aspect of this is what makes it so scary to me. I’m SO worried for those kids that are (most likely) still with her. There are so many horrific stories from people who get so sucked into these cults and…I just hope those kiddos are okay
I’m so glad that at least her oldest daughter isn’t living with the parents anymore (that’s what I heard from last time). I can’t imagine having a mom like her, I sometimes wonder if she was raised the same way she’s treating her kids and the same with the dad bc he just doesn’t seem to care he just stares at the canera most of the time and nods to his wife what she’s saying (sorry for my English it’s not my first language)
Thank you so much for covering this family! It sickens me to my core and people need to understand that it’s not okay!! Trisha Paytas has already launched her own family channel now that she had a baby! And these “family channels” need to be stopped!! Protect the kids
I received a text from my daughter’s teacher letting me know her lunch money was running low. They fed her lunch, I thanked her profusely, and immediately added funds to her account. Kids have to eat at school, it affects their learning ability, behavior, moods, etc. A 5 year old is not ready to pack a lunch everyday. They can help, but it’s not their responsibility, it’s on the parents to provide food. And if there is any credibility to the accusations, Kevin Franke needs to file for custody of the kids. They should not be with their mother if these allegations are true.
i think it’s easier for a child to consent to playing a “role” like in child acting (although it’s not always good) but when they themselves are the character I think it’s incredibly damaging. We all need a sense of privacy
The blatant disrespect for her own children is disgusting. There are so many private moments that go on between children and parents, clothing shopping, bad days at school, getting in trouble, and she just spreads everything throughout the entire world, for everyone to see. I've done horribly embarrassing things as a kid, stuff I definitely don't want on the internet! But these kids? Don't get a choice, because their mommy wants clout. The worst of it though is that, this will never not affect these kids. Every embarrassing moment they've gone through is online, and there is nothing they can do about it, and that's awful. I hope this woman suffers, and that may be cruel, but I don't care, these children deserve justice. She's a disgrace to the title of mother, and I hope she gets what's coming to her.
What really stands out about Ruby is that she's such an egomaniac, just in general and especially in regards to her parenting methods. The way she smiles like she's the most clever and tough person alive for denying her little girl a meal or depriving her son of his privacy for months on end is so telling. The worst part is that Ruby is the sort of person whose views will only grow stronger with criticism. The more people tell her that her that disciplining your children is ineffective and dangerous without sincere compassion and empathy, the more she will become convinced that we're all just too soft and can't handle the truth. It's such a tragic mess and I'm glad at least those of us viewing the situation from the outside can show these kids the compassion and respect their mother apparently can't be bothered to give them.
The mom is so similar to mine it’s actually scary. I tend to undermine the abuse my mom puts me through but seeing another person do it to her kids is infuriating. Maybe my anger is justified
26:30 Nothing like Ruby saying shes giving her kids the gift of boundaries and continuously not respecting their wishes to be off-camers, recording embarrassing moments, and not giving them an ounce of privacy in their own home. This woman does not deserve to be a parent.
"its bc they're uncomfortable with her not having a lunch" or maybe its bc she literally needs to eat idk "he needs to develop some very basic maturity and skills that he will need as an adult" you mean the maturity and skills that you're supposed to help him develop? that you maybe failed at doing? and instead of trying to do better you just ship him off to someone else to do that for you? what great parents!
the whole chad thing drives me mad like “my child who ive abused and starved all their life is acting out!!” shocker 💀 Also her calling her kids selfish reminds me of my mother telling me i was as a kid because i had emotional needs LOL
Thank you for blurring the kids faces it's one of the problems with family channels I want to disapprove but I have no way of actually watching the content without giving them money or views... So thank you for allowing me to being informed and not feel like I'm taking part in abusing a child
Thanks for covering. I never watched 8 passengers but I used to watch a couple of her sisters (Ellie and Bonnie) back in the day and when I used to watch them, something always seemed off about Ruby. It's honestly just such a shame cos even though I don't condone family vlogging anymore, the rest of her family (as in her parents and sisters) seem really nice in comparison.
I always believe that necessities should never be withheld as punishment, only niceties. This includes food, shelter (such as your room), and social relationships. Kids will not starve if not given dinner, but they will develop an unhealthy relationship with food if food is frequently withheld.
Not to undermine the amazing you video you created but I also wanted to mention that you look amazing! I love your style and make up. I was listening and not watching, and when I pulled my phone out, saw you and audibly said "aw she looks so pretty!"
Being a neglectful asshole isn't a 'parenting method' I'm very done with people who get called out saying shit like'you don't understand my methods or my child' as their all hungry and food deprived in the back on the room crying and she smirks "you just don't get it, ha'
I'm a 30 year old man and my mom has brought me lunch to work several times when I've forgotten, or my food got thrown out of the office fridge or something like that. People forget stuff, especially if they're 6... Sometimes if you forget your lunch you do have to go hungry but most the time someone will help you out.
The thing about Ruby taking a shower before taking her daughter to the hospital, my mom isn't that bad (she has her problems but not as bad as my dad) but she did the same thing to me when I told her to take me to the er. It didn't take her an hour and thankfully nothing was wrong with me but it really felt shitty even at the time for her to be like "you feel like you're dying? ok lemme get a shower then I'll take you to get help" Edited bc I got further in the video: WOMAN YOU'RE CRYING OVER A FUCKING SONG? jesus some parents
As a mother myself, our job as a parent is to do 2 things.. 1) love your children, unconditionally. To be that mentor through life and 2) Prepare your children for the next phase of life, including the real world. If you shelter them, and pretty much parent like this woman, you are doing your children a disservice and setting them up to fall when they become adults
I think it’s imperative to put more safeguarding in place for not only thing like family channels but for children in all sorts of front facing industries like film or cinema, television or UA-cam. Sure they need guidance but look at what happens to these child stars when they are taken advantage of. It usually doesn’t end well, and when it doesn’t the public tends to leave them by the wayside. P.s another great video!
who just leaves their kid hungry? i know that’s like one out of the million things she’s done but that’s such a basic necessity and worry for your kid? i don’t have kids but even when my nephews are hungry i quickly feed them. It’s just crazy
People who see their children as a paycheck and abuse their children get to have a ton of kids, and yet there are so many loving parents who lose their babies in pregnancy or to SIDS…I wish that was something that could make sense.
Omgs, when I was a kid my mom cut up my ‘blankie’ and I was horrified.. probably around the same age of the young daughter who’s stuffed animals head was threatened to be cut off.
Thank you for exposing this horrific emotional abuse towards the poor children. It’s their responsibility to protect and provide their children so they can grow healthy, happy, and have a safe environment. 😱 Bed wetting is a trauma response. Oh my goodness. This is horrific for developing brains. Chronic emotional abuse on children will have long-lasting effect on them when they grow up. It’s cruel, scary, and sick. I hope the children are going to grow up in a safe, secure, and healthy environment. 😢
I was raised by my Prussian grandma who was born in 1946. I was born in 1996. She's a tough woman (Prussian means tough, proud and strict). Despite she always says that parents bring children to the world. Feeding humans you gave birth to is your duty. She says that children have their own issues despite they might seem little to adults, they really influence kids. She always provided me with privacy and respect even in my gothic, Lacrimosa phase. She was demanding in terms of honesty, integrity and education but she never exercised pointless discipline. Once she even talked negatively about her friend with whom I stayed for weekend. She said that I wasn't very well behaved (sic! I have excellent Kinderstuben) because she called me and I replied that I would come down in 1 minute, I wanted to say goodbye to my friend. She said that I wasn't not a dog and didn't do anything wrong. I'm shocked that my grandma, raised by people who were born in Prussian Kingdom, who grew up during very demanding times, have more understanding and compassion towards young people than a 35yo wasp mother. The way she says "my house". It's their home, those kids can't provide for themselves yet to have their own place. They're manipulating and keeping their kids in constant fear. These parents are nuts, they're training their kids in the way I wouldn't train my dog. There's difference between dyscyplinie and dysfunction. Taking out doors, looking through someone's stuff, refusing food and bed is not dyscyplinie. It teaches kids how to be abusive, how to lie and manipulate. I'm out of words for parents who grew up in privileged conditions, teach their kids absolutely bananas worldview. Kids aren't made to take care of their siblings or to be your house cleaners. They should participate to be well rounded people but they aren't your clones to live for you. How can a person say that providing for their kid you made is a privilege? Do they compare themselves to the worst parents of all? Plus, they make their kids work, full time and they refuse them food? Those stupid parents are provided by their innocent children despite their pleas not to be constantly recorded. I wasn't perfect. When I didn't something wrong, I was ashamed of my grandma. The level of respect and love for her I had due to, according to 8 passengers, privilege of love and respect were enough. Of course, some kids struggle more with social consensus but treating them like this won't help. Especially that her kids are amazing and they're spoiling them by teaching them abuse. As adults they'll behave like recently released convicts out of prison, asking for permission to drink water. They'll be stuck in hopeless relationships due to their parents naming abuse as love (of course they might get help as adults and be happy, I wish them well!). They're wealthy and due to their kids hard work and involuntary sacrifice they have extra money. They could afford therapy if their son is struggling so much but they won't do it because deep inside they know they're the problem. Plus, taking care of your kid is a privilege for them that they don't deserve. Better send them on unregulated camp where abuse happens every minute and they might get hurt. Christian sects in US are destroying generations of people. These parents want to build their imagine through their kid, as amazing parents and good people by fulfilling ideas of Mormon or whatever pedagogy that are absolutely harmful. From my European perspective, it's absolutely nuts the casual fanaticism that is engraved in certain societies. Here we deal with it too but it's not considered that being a strict Christian is making you automatically a good person. It's not normal to take advice about parenting from a random pastor or a priest at least since 50 years. These parents just want to be admired by and they know they're judged by their offspring. Unfortunately, it's not about kid's happiness, health and development but their thoughtless, unnecessary dyscyplinie. All of this apart from them making their kids work full time, not paying them, refusing food and privacy. Family channels must be regulated!!! I wish the kids all the best that they'll avoid generational trauma and find family in their real friends!
Hohoho, I wrote day worth of reading messy essay. I was so moved I spilled here my stream of consciousness. My grandma wasn't perfect but she never refused my questions. I never appreciated it but she never blocked me from debating my life and obligations. Basical principle of love is like a gift compared to those maniacs.
god, finally some complete coverage on this channel. ive been trying to keep up with this whole thing for years, but it’s so confusing, and i honestly was getting tired of watching 10-minute videos talking about it in a very surface-level fashion. excited to see your coverage on this situation! ms. frank needs her face plastered all over the internet with a giant label of *abuser*.
Her restricting their food is bound to set someone up for an ED. My mother used to do that when I was little (restricting food because of weight) and it led me to a binge eating issue that I still wrestle with
As someone who works in court for child abuse cases, what this family does in videos alone would be multiple referrals (in my state at least). I can imagine them making the parents do a psychological eval with a parenting capacity component bc they clearly do not understand proper child discipline and care. I would also see parenting classes and a shit ton of therapy for the parents and the kids. I can also see this getting all the way to TPR bc I can’t imagine them actually doing the services or listening to the judge’s orders bc “How dare you tell me how to parent?” Just saddening…
While the subject matter is incredibly heartbreaking, this video was tactfully and tastefully presented. I get physically ill when I think of those poor innocent children having to grow up in a household where being fed is considered a privilege and your bed gets taken away as punishment. On top of that, I feel awful for the poor daughter who moved off to college (I'm sure she didn't even get to choose which school she attended) and attempted to gain some much deserved autonomy and independence. Her mother became ridiculously upset - not because her daughter was leaving the nest, but because Ruby wouldn't have as much control over her!! My heart breaks for those children.
Please respect the children’s privacy as they go through this difficult time! Much love to everyone watching as always I appreciate the support 💜
Also- I made a mistake the family’s last name is pronounced “Frankie” was going to do a voiceover to clarify but then I forgot 😅 whoops sorry!!
i feel so bad for those kids :(
not all parents deserve children tbh
So do I hope these kids will be alright
Appreciate what you and Getting the information about WFt is going online so thank you so much @CruekWorldHappyMind 🐢🌹🐢❤️🔥🦋🦋🌈
Cruel World, you might be sick of family channels.
However, you are creating banger of mini-documentaries on so many controversial families.
unpopular opinion. I see nothing wrong with parents posting there children and family life if the child is ok with it and isn't forced to perform against their will. of course babies and toddlers can't talk but I don't think theres anything wrong with posting your babies and toddlers either. I understand people are concerned about pred. but pred. are everywhere you Can't stop them no matter what. opinions are just that opinions. you raise your kid as you see fit and other people will raise theirs how they see fit. theres nothing you can do about the way someone else chooses to parent. lastly, there are kids in FOSTER CARE in MUCH more need of help that you could focus on because they continued to be neglected and ignored and abused within the system and by Americana society as a whole.
"The privilege of eating dinner." Excuse me? Feeding your child is a REQUIREMENT. Starving them as punishment is evil.
Agreed… I have anxiety about whether my child is eating enough and having enough nutrition so I can’t imagine having that perspective
@@cruelworldhappymind I have that same anxiety, I am always worried I'm not giving enough variety of foods
bro some of y'all gotta tell my mom's ex husband that because he treated me the same way when I was younger...I couldn't cook and I wasn't allowed to touch the snacks..I was too scared of him to tell my mom so I just went hungry until dinner
@@abbie_joan I'm so sorry that happened to you. No child should have to feel scared of asking their parent or parent figure for food.
Exactly!
If she is that cruel in front of the camera without shame … I don’t want to imagine what she did off camera - she scares me
Agreed 😬
Kinda scared what she might me doing now that she doesn't have to behave for a camera at all.
Yeah, I can already see the issues those poor kids have. When will parents learn that being that strict and abusive will only drive your kids further away, make them feel like they cannot go to you when they are in trouble, and lead them to developing dysfunctional relationships. I’m in my early 30s and am just starting to undo the damage that was done to me. My heart goes out to the kids. 😢
All the families channels are based in child exploitation. And yeas, like actors, this child's must have some strictly rules from governments and platforms.
Kind of narcissist this Ruby is...red flag!!!
Eating is not a privilege. It’s needed to survive. Driving is a privilege.
Ya i hate that many people sadly still think it's a privilege for a child to have food, and hate when people use starvation as a punishment
I don’t get that! It makes no sense. So important for kids to have adequate nutrition
Right?! They're growing, proper nutrition is vital, if they don't get it it will impact the rest of their lives!!
everyone deserves a comfortable place to sleep, good food to eat, good water to drink and a safe home. and she seems to be ok taking most of those away from her children.
I once punished one of my children by not getting him takeout when I did for my other children. His behavior was way out of control but I definitely still fed him!
When you're getting calls from your kid's teacher about your kid being hungry, there's something very wrong with you as a human being.
Yeah… that shouldn’t be a thing. Mistakes do happen especially I’m sure with lots of children, but in the video it also sounded like this wasn’t the first time this happened!
I am a Mom and a Nana to two grandchildren. Even with my adult daughter, the idea of them even being hungry or cold or sick- the mere thought. To know that child had no food. ..breaks my heart.
I can’t imagine making such a small child responsible for their lunch. I put my first graders lunch in her bag every morning. She has enough new responsibilities being a school kid and starving at school isn’t helpful at all!
I mean if she would forgot about it or the kid left it at home - okay, sure mistakes happens. In the end we are only humans... But openly blaming your 6 year old kid and then saying that HOPEFULLY no one will give her food is straight up some psychopatic behavior.
My daughter is in kindergarten, and every time I hear about what she did, it makes me tear up. That is just cruel. Not even just a simple peanut butter sandwich? (As an example, because I know allergies exist.) I do not think I know of a ten year old that would be able to remember lunch every single day. It was cruel.
The way she smiles wide when her son recounts how she took his bed is revolting.
That channel should have been called "2 child abusers and their 6 victims" instead.
The channel/family has been dubbed 6 prisoners in the online community
I was raised Mormon and im SO glad to hear these parenting "tactics" are coming under fire. Children deserve privacy, respect, and a full belly at the very least.
One of my friends grew up Mormon in Salt Lake and has shared horrible stories with me about their religious trauma from childhood. It made me so sad for them but I'm happy they're out of the church/had their name removed and are doing super well now. I hope you're doing well also!
@@nathanhaimson Mormonism is a Cult.
Dang, I was raised LDS as well, any my parents have NRVER used these "tactics". I am also raising my children LDS and I have NEVER treated my children this way... it it a Utah thing?
@@HelgaGrace2007from texas, my ex stepdad was morman and was very authoritarian, much like ruby, but throw in some physical abuse too 😃😃
The fact that Ruby is now giving advice to parents on how to punish their kids, and her kids don’t even talk to her now, is crazy to me. Her lack of self awareness proves how much of a narcissist she is.
Everyone isn’t a narcissist. She’s a terrible parent/person but this word is thrown around way to much
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You probably mean well, but let people call it out for what it is. It doesn’t help victims of narcissistic abuse at all when others constantly tell them that ”the word is thrown around way too much”. Never feel more bad for narcissists than their victims.
@@saeranchoi3343 narcissism is a personality disorder, not a form of abuse. I was abused by someone with depression, but we don't call it "depression abuse". We name it after the kind of abuse dealt instead. Mental, physical, etc.
We shouldn't go around naming abuse after disabled people that may or may not have committed it. We aren't like "my cousin suffered amputee abuse" just bc the person who did it was an amputee. It would imply there was something inherently dangerous with a specific group of disabled people. That's just ableism.
This is no disrespect to people who were abused by people with NPD. Their abuse is real. But they weren't abused bc their abuser was disabled. Their abuser just chose to do those things and happened to be disabled.
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You’re talking about NPD, not narcissism. Even then, it shouldn’t be compared to disabilities. A person having lost their limb is nowhere near the same as someone choosing to torment other people because it makes them feel good and gives them a sense of control. As a victim of narcissistic abuse I find it absolutely disrespectful that people are telling us that we can’t talk about the specific kind of abuse we’ve experienced. This is how you enable abuse, by silencing people who try to talk about it.
ua-cam.com/video/eISuc8v7B1M/v-deo.html
Here is a very good video talking about the topic.
@@saeranchoi3343 my father has undiagnosed NPD. He abused me. However people literally don't have a difference between NPD and narcissism bc the words both refer to the same personality disorder. People have used the words around narcissism as an insult for many years, the same way as they do for "dumb".
When people patholigize "narcissism" they aren't creating a new separate term called from NPD. They just demonize NPD and then say that people with these traits do these things. Then go onto describe mental emotional and physical abuse.
I agree we shouldn't conflate disability with abuse. That's the whole point of my comment. You can't just name a group of people, say "all these people are abusers inherently". There's no convenient bad people group to sort people into without also hurting people.
"I have so much to offer as a mom." Yes, ✨ Trauma ✨
I dunno why but I laughed so hard at your comment. Brava! 😂🎉
My mother rewarded me with food and punished me not providing me with food because of my “high functioning” autism while also not disclosing my diagnosis with me. Let’s just say I had to steal food to survive and I developed a binge eating habit. I’m in recovery now. I have been no contact with my parents for 21 years, and I received an autism spectrum diagnosis last month. I found my old papers she had hidden and I feel validated finally in my 40s. These 8 passengers parents are cruel and abusive and neglectful and are exploiting their children for financial gain. Total narcs.
I’m so, so sorry you went through that. As a fellow neurodivergent person, I can only imagine how horrible that must have been to experience and how painful the healing can be. Wishing nothing but the best for you.
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I'm so very sorry to hear that! My wife is on the spectrum, and her mum is a narcissist, so this really hits home for me! So glad you are getting treatment and are away from her! I wish you the best of luck on your way to recovery, it sounds like you are very much on the path to success!
You deserved better, hope your recovery goes well and you can one day have it as nothing more than a bad memory!❤
This breaks my heart. You deserved better and I hope you know that. ❤ Sending you nothing short of love and happiness xx
They should just demonetize any channel involving minors as a major part of them. That might demotivate older teens from starting their own channels but putting that off a few years to prevent this abusive genre of family channels or child influencers being pressured to film by their parents seems a fair trade.
Yeah, it seems like the system that’s in place now is just too open for exploitation
I completely agree! I really do believe that if YT demonetizes any video where a minor is shown or featured, family channels will become a thing of the past since the parents wouldn't be able to financially benefit from their kid.
Unfortunately, youtube only cares about their profits
I agree 100%
That’s my thought as well. Just demonetize any and all videos featuring kids. That would stop a lot of this exploitation. I’d be curious to see how many still would upload.
When she says "You can play with friends!" to her young adult son as if he's a 4 year old as he's trying to tell her shes ruined his life and she just ignores it is like arthouse cinema levels of crazy.
Still watching this video but I just wanna say I respect you sooo much for always blurring out the children's faces even though the parents don't. Big respect also for not showing your child's face on your public social media until he is old enough to consent to that as well
Thank you! Especially with this family channel, it’s clear many times the children don’t want to be on camera when their mom is filming them
Right!! And she also does it without really saying anything, like it should be obvious why they’re blurred. And it absolutely should be!! Blurring kids faces should be the standard at this point, so I love to see it❤
“The privilege of dinner,” taking away their bed and ruining their toys - I’m so angry and it’s just started. This is gonna be ROUGH
Yeah… I was really upset looking into the video… like what the heck…
@@cruelworldhappymind thank you for speaking on it, but I’m sorry you had to watch them for research
Same it make angers that UA-cam did not take down 8 passengers but not only that the dad saw what she was doing to their kids and did nothing about it. He enabling Ruby to abuse her kids and the pisses me off so much
Instead of saying "I will cut it's head off" she could have said something along "Mummy gets sad when you cut mama's things, just as you would be if someone cut yours. Please respect others belongings as we respect yours."
I think it's very telling that her mind went 'I don't want my daughter to move out because I won't be able to control her' vs 'oh I'm going to miss her and worry about her'
It's so strange and creepy to hear her talk about "Mantel of power" and stuff. Her wording is scary and vague at times like giving her kids "truth" for christmas
She's afraid of her kids going online and truly understanding how exploitative of them she has been. She must be terrifying to live with. I feel so bad for her children. I hope they can get out and get help.
It's tragic. Especially because they will most likely never see the money that was made by their exploitation.
I can smell a lawsuit coming from one of the kids in the near future
@@sachikofox7393 One of them has already left the family. Dad Challenge Podcast has coverage of the family and the ongoing situation.
With the school tiktok I was so confused with her crying she's like "they're trying to introduce them to the world" 😭 uhm...yah? So? What do you teach them?
They have to. They have a social duty to humiliate their mother publically to millions of viewers.
wilderness programs are hell like literally kids die in wilderness programs. my parents sent me away to a troubled teen facility when I was 13, and although it was insanely abusive and traumatizing, there was always the threat of getting sent to a wilderness program instead if we weren’t “working the program” at the facility we were at.
Absolutely, and Utah has some of the most notorious ones. There was a whole podcast about one organization; a young girl died when they took the kids on a *nighttime hike in a cave without flashlights* and she fell.
She had that meltdown because she realized that she is not gonna have control over her children's lives this is the most narcissistic and controlling person I have seen in forever
I feel like in about 10-15 years we're going to see 'I'm Glad My Mom Died'-esque memoirs from these kids in family channels
YES. THAT IS THE GOAL. I hope they dont fall into Stockholm's syndrome
Lunch is only like 2 dollars in Utah. This lady doesn't even want to drop off lunch money, or even Venmo the teacher?
Yeah, as if being starving is going to “teach her daughter a lesson” … 🤦♀️
It wasn't about the money.
"She was uncomfortable with her not having a lunch and it would ease her discomfort if I brought her a lunch" Bone chilling to hear her say that. I know it's not possible but I wish there was some way to prevent abusive and cruel people from ever having children.
There really should be an application for that shit!
She is insulting the teachers by wasting their time by with holding their food. The proven fact is that studying while hungry is effectively wasted time.
She says it so condescendingly too - as if it's some kind of failure on the teacher's part for being "uncomfortable" with a child in their care going hungry.
@@jon-paulfilkins7820 not to mention how that probably made the teacher feel. Obviously the child is the most important part of this, but it just had me thinking. I’m sure they found the child something to eat. But it’s messed up to put an outsider in the middle of something like that.
It’s crazy that we need a license to own a dog but not one for an actual human life. Some “parents” truly don’t deserve their children.
I had a mother similar to this. (there wasn't social media in those days, that's the only difference)
Now I'm in my late 30's, and I have no contact with her, nor have I had contact with her since I was in my early 20's. The trauma of having basic needs taken away (food, beds) with the added devastation of watching birthday presents/parties returned or cancelled over not passing a spelling test, or telling a sibling to go away makes for an adult who tries to get approval in any way possible, which doesn't always end well.
My heart breaks for the road these kids are going to have to go down to realize that they ARE deserving of the love and protection they didn't get from the people who should have loved and protected them.
I hope they find happiness and safety.
I hope you’ve found happiness and peace. It’s a different kind of betrayal when it’s your own mother causing the pain.
The oldest daughter has no contact with her
That's very sad ,I'm so very sorry you had to experience that! I understand naturally you might have some issues related to your childhood, although I'm just a stranger online I relate & have a massive amount of empathy from you , sending hope from Australia 🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌟
@@TheNoxolotl not surprising, I would have done the same thing.
I bet your mom has no idea why you don’t talk to her. Narcissists never understand
My mom took my bed away from me, (and much much muuuuuch worse) and THAT was the deciding factor for the judge to not send me back home.
As someone who lives in Utah, grew up in the area that they are currently living, and had CPS called on my mother on multiple occasions for similar treatment. I can truthfully tell you there is nothing they can or will do even if they did investigate
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I noticed that a lot of child abuse occurs in Utah
@@thiccredgyal3404 it is the culture of needing to maintain the “perfect household” around here. It is not as bad as it used to be but the times can only change so much
Yeah, there's not a lot the public can do to help at this point, so hopefully as the kids reach adulthood they'll leave and cut ties, which I guess would be the best outcome. Ruby alone.
She won't feed her 5-6 yr old child??? That isn't right. They need food. Thats also too young, to me. Eventually I took over my own lunches, but when I was older, not as a 5-6 yr old. And I would share or trade with others if they didnt have food. Thats why there are food programs at school so no kid goes hungry. What a sick twisted woman.
Also… what the heck would a 5-6 year old even pack themselves for lunch?!? As a kid I would’ve just packed gushers and a rice krispy treat
@@cruelworldhappymind totally. They aren't making a sandwich
@@cruelworldhappymind when I was a 6 year old I would of not pack an actual lunch
I was packing myself 'lunches' from about 7 and I was not capable of doing it haha, usually it would be an apple and a yogurt and maybe an unbuttered bread roll or if I was lucky and we had them a musli bar
Definitely not an appropriate or realistic expectation to have for most kids under let's say.. 8/9? Ridiculous to expect of a kindergartner, this video is proving really hard to get through, this woman is a petty dictator and I feel so bad for these kids
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Exactly! Ruby even showed what Eve packed for herself and made fun of her lunch since it was just one of those Nutella snack packs and another little treat. Like what did you expect? She’s like 5 lmao
I cannot imagine being a little, helpless child, wanting to be with your mother only to have a camera shoved in your face. I picture every interaction to be like;
Kid: “Mom, I don’t feel well, I think I’m sick.”
*turns on camera, points at child*
Mom: “Hey guyssss, welcome back to my channel, child is sick today and not feeling well….(fake concerned face) look how bad she looks! She’s starting to tear up- what am I gonna do???”
Literally a living hell for those poor kids.
This is really great documentation on how malignant narcissists destroy their families while blaming the kids the whole way. Her kids are not allowed to be independent people, no doubt in her mind children are possessions who are meant to unquestionably obey their abusive parents..
One thing I really appreciate is that we know nothing about your own child. You are keeping your baby safe and after seeing what these children had to go through being exposed online, it's just really comforting.
Will forever find it painfully, horrifically ironic that those like Ruby who spend so much of their time and energy worrying about the so-called "evils" of the modern world...proceed to post their kids' faces, full names, hobbies, school, etc. to the whole gd planet with barely a second thought.
Dependent/ neglect. Physical abuse. Emotional abuse. Mental abuse...filmed for the world to see. SMH. These poor children.
How..I mean..why? How much more proof can one provide to agencies? And these parents knowingly uploaded this?
I don't get it. Daddy of 5. Mika or whatever that ladies name was. When does it end?
Much respect for blurring the childrens' faces. And for respecting your own.💜
I completely agree I think sometimes bad people are attracted to the idea of being a youtuber for bad reasons and they unknowingly show their cruel mess to the whole world and just expose themselves
@@cruelworldhappymind and please, after researching this, take care of yourself. With you, as a young mother, this had to be hard
I don't get it either. I can just say, that in my opinion, this mother is one of the best (or actually worst) examples of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) .
The way she starts to smirk, when she films her children cry is just scary. I feel like in her head it is all about getting the attention she wants, and no one else's feelings (or mental AND physical health) matters to her in any way shape or form... The world would be a much better place, if NPD would make you sterile...
Those poor children will need so much therapy when they grow up... Though a narcissistic mother would very likely try telling her kids they don't need that, and that therapy is for the weak or some shit (which in her opinion couldn't be true for HER kids, cause she did EVERYTHING right with them... not being able to realize, that they might need to heal from all the trauma SHE put onto them and that she was the one, leaving her kids with mental problems, that's at least my experience)
I just hope, that those kids will someday be able to find someone who actually loves them and will someday learn, how to love themselves, cause growing up like that can only leave them so insecure, poor kids...
Narcissistic parents scare me more than monsters.
They are monsters
@@bunnybug7668 to me they’re worse. At least monsters are up front about being awful. Narcissistic parents will ruin your life while gaslighting you into thinking they love you. In reality they just love extensions of themselves.
These ARE the monsters
Perfect timing! I'm writing a text about problematic family channels for my Written Communication course
OMG THATS SO GREAT TO HEAR! There needs to be more and more people talking about this and looking into it in an academic perspective imo!
FOR THOSE UNAWARE: Ruby Franke and her business partner Jodi were arrested on charges of child abuse and neglect. I won't go into the details but the children who were at Jodi's home at the time of the arrest were found malnourished and emaciated, but luckily both are alive and hopefully safe now that they are away from those two monsters. I hope they both rot in hell
It's insanely saddening that these kids had to go through this
This still makes me happy, but remember in Utah state laws, 15 years is the maximum sentence for child abuse. While that is still a lot of time, it’s not that long, considering if she’s a first time offender, so she might get maybe 14 months to 5 years in prison if found guilty.
As a parent who was raised like these children and now have ZERO relationships with my parents, I'm happy to say my son was NOT raised like I was and he's 16 and we are very close and have mutual respect and trust for each other. This "mother" is SICK.
I just hope these kids find real healing. It’s so hard to live and function as a normal adult after you’ve experienced abuse. Especially extreme religious abuse. My heart breaks for all of these kids. Ruby will 100% be one of those old people in a home somewhere complaining that her “ungrateful” kids never visit or call but won’t look in a mirror and realize WHY.
Family channels should never have been monetised in the first place. They open children up to so many dangerous and demeaning situations during their most important developmental years. Not to mention the bullying they could face in the future. Ruby makes my skin crawl - her priorities are so warped.
Ah yes, 1 minute in and I already hate someone that I previously hadn’t heard of, you never disappoint👏🏻
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Ruby never considers that maybe her daughter did pack a lunch but forgot to bring it with her because SHE'S AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KID the least she could do is have a checklist to make sure her kids has everything they need if she's not gonna help her make a lunch...and then there's another video where she's making fun of Eve for packing her lunch weird and her son snapping back at her because... y'know she's a kid. My guess is that she's the kind of parent who wants all her kids to be as independent as possible and dulls out punishment if her other kids try to help each other. She wants her kids to be independent early because it means she doesn't have to actually parent them properly.
The weird thing is that she wants her children to be self sufficient but at the same time wants to keep them on the shortest leash possible with not wanting them to move out of the house.
She doesn't want her kids to be independent is the thing. Seems to me tht she views them as extensions of herself, which is why she is so controlling and bizarre with her expectations. Kids should read her mind, intuit her expectations, and gladly accept correction, and any other behaviour is worthy of the crazy punishments she doles out, in her mind. I bet these kids hear variants of "I wouldn't have to do this if you weren't do difficult/nasty/a bad kid etc" on the regular and get their poor minds twisted until they too believe everything is actually their fault. Disgusting way to treat your own kids
Independence is dangerous in this kind of family dynamic, she wants control completely and utterly, she just doesn't want to parent her kids in a proper loving way. Maybe she isn't capable of that healthy sort of parenting, the expectations she has of her kids are so very detached from the reality of what a child needs.
My heart breaks for these kids I won't lie, this has been hard to watch and I'm not even halfway. Just keeps getting worse and worse. So glad I was a kid before family channels because my mum is very like this woman in terms of personality and the fuckery we experienced would have been even more confusing . These poor poor kids, I hope they escape and thrive away from their parents
She demands her children to know everything without teaching them. My mother was the same.
@@vee1545 I think she wants her kids independent in the sense that she doesn't have to put any work into caring for them she's stated before she wants all her kids out at 18 regardless of whether they have a job or housing but she also wants control of her kids lifestyle without having to financially support them...I'm pretty sure one of their kids is already out of the house and cut them off
Her car meltdown about the TikTok dance was the most infuriating thing...
After everything she did to her kids and proudly shared to the world, HOW can you possibly act like you care about "protecting the kids".
I grew up with very strict Mormon grandparents and their parenting was similar in some aspects. When my dad was young in the late 60s early 70s they sent him to Provo. It was a terrible situation for him, he passed away in 2019 but he told me stories of his time from there. He eventually escaped and hitch hiked back to Missouri. Because of my grandparents only 2 of their 4 children spoke to them over the years. My dad did but wasn't often the two that don't haven't spoke to them in over 30 yrs. My grandma has since passed and my grandpa is 94.. ex Mormons often speak of abuse. It's not always what people think. There's a weird culture within
She’s terrifying in general. The way she says look at me. Im sure her kids will need lots of therapy in the future
That was f*cking scary seeing her lament losing “the mantle of power” over her daughter who started college 12 minutes away from the family home. This lady would have even Joan Crawford telling her to take a chill pill.
Edit: not saying it’s bad for parents to be anxious or even feel some sense of grief when their children start college. That’s totally understandable. But that usually has a tone of “how am I going to protect them when they’re away? How will I know they’re safe?” Again, that’s natural and relatable.
As opposed to lamenting that you are losing a sliver of control and can no longer fully filter and censor what they experience in life. That’s scary.
First, thank you for covering these disgusting people. Second, armchair psychoanalyzing here: does she hate being a mother? I’m a woman who never had interest in being a parent 24/7. I’m much more the cool aunt type, but I didn’t marry and have kids. But, is this her issue? I means she’s crazy sadistic, and I don’t know why anyone would marry her but people who shouldn’t be parents become parents every day.
I think especially when a huge philosophy of your religion is to have a lot of children, people who may not want to be parents feel obligated to become one
I grew up Mormon and the pressure to have children and be a stay at home mom is so intense, definitely made people who should never of been parents into them, creating monsters. The church has ruined so many lives with their misogynistic bullsh!t
@@cruelworldhappymind Yes, I was wondering about that. So many do and it’s cruel to do to people. I always think of poor Andrea Yates who even had doctors saying that she couldn’t manage another pregnancy and yet he got her pregnant again because… God. Anyway, love your work! Very good research and insight.
@@capital_L283 That’s how it seems. I got sort of obsessed with some of the cases where the Mormon husband killed his wife: Dr McNeill, the Powells, and some cases whose names I sadly forget. It struck me that while the men/families could have committed their crimes in mainstream American society, it seemed like they all knew how to manipulate Mormonism to their favor. I was so sad to learn that apparently a female Mormon is taught the she can only reach god through her father or husband. Tragic message.
peer pressure, religion pressure (that woman sounds like my mother)
I swear, every lady I've met with the name Ruby has been the nastiest busy body ever. I feel bad for her kids growing up without friends, because they won't have anything good to look back on in the future. That's usually the silver lining with abusive households, and it sucks that even despite the distancing and disapproval, there's always a chance her kids continue the cycle with their own kids. That doesn't just get "unlearned." Parenting can be a legacy to bring prosperity to the new generations of your family, or it can be an infection that you have to, not only recognize, but also find a way to cure and supplant with better ideals and parenthood. Knowing what not to do is honestly the best you can expect, so I hope her kids find a way to break the cycle, because it probably didn't start with Ruby.
The mom is tyrant 💔 those poor kids
AGREED… very upsetting to watch some of the things posted
@@cruelworldhappymind I can’t imagine depriving a child of food!! The horrible treatment from the parents literally steals their children’s childhoods 😢
Thank you so much for blurring the kids faces! I was in a similar situation for a long time, and I ended up running away. Afterwords it was super uncomfortable having people in my life see me and try to talk about my situation or even try to change my mind abt it. I can't imagine how horrid it'd have been if my story was public and I had even more people bothering me about this trauma. It's hard to watch this video honestly, but it's so important we call out this type of behaviour because it was videos like this one that made me realize me home life was *not* normal and I needed help. Love the content!
I did a deep dive into wilderness therapy and it is literally child abuse and cruelty . There are so many horror stories, mass graves of children have just recently been found, similar Findings where I'm from in Ireland... Sorry for the depressing comment op
It would be very interesting if you would update this video with all the new information that's out
Ruby: "it's all part of cancel culture >:((((("
No Ruby, it's called people recognizing that you're being an abusive amadan!
well she got arrested today, so hopefully the kids will get help
I am a parent and I am big believer of not judging parenting styles but this isn’t parenting. She’s running a jail in her home. It’s sad and odd. The lack of love and fun in that home just makes me sad to think about. All because she has some TRUTH she needs to live. So sad and I hope these kids will be ok.
Hearing Ruby rant in the car about secular music introducing her children to "the world" makes me cringe so violently. My own mom went to my middle school gym teacher and demanded she play more "appropriate" music instead of popular radio hits when I was caught humming a Black Eyed Peas song in 2010.
We are no longer on speaking terms, if that says anything about how this kind of invasive parenting impacts peoples' relationships.
Her style is bringing me back to when I was an avid church-goer in middle school. A lot of people were nothing like this, but there was always a few that I couldn't stand or understand. I feel so sorry for those kids. I'm also so thankful my mom was more open-minded than this.
Right! I was born an raises in the church and was NEVER treated this way. I thought my parents were strict, but reading the comments, I'm so glad my parents weren't like this!
She treated her children like they were extras on the "Ruby Franke Show". It was all about her and being in the spotlight.
Yes!!! I’ve watched a lot of videos on Ruby but I’m thrilled for your deep dive. She needs to be exposed as much as humanly possible.
Thank you and I agree!! I hope you enjoy the video
The scary thought is, what was their upbringing like if they think thats ok? I can only imagine it wasn't great. I predict a sad future for them as elderly parents. They could just turn their back on them and stick them in a care home. Its a very sad thought. I look after my eighty year old Dad. Because he did everything for me growing up and its my duty I feel, to look after him in his later years. Goodness knows what those kids will think about them.
Especially since the kids have a video record of all the things that happened to them… it would be hard not to be bitter about it unfortunately 😕
I don't have it half as bad as these kids and I disowned my father. He's truly fortunate hell never have to rely on me for anything because even putting him up in a home is more than I'd do for him. He could rot on the streets for all I care
In a sliver of good news, Ruby and Jodi have been arrested, and the youngest kids are in the process of being put in safer situations.
This woman has no boundaries to say the least. Her "punishments" come from a deranged, "who the f thinks of this" place, and I hope her children can heal.
Tbh, I've never liked how some family youtube channels can be from being nice and pleasant and soon it slowly or better yet speedily soon becomes problematic; which is something that I never liked. I have heard that some parents even forced their children to be on camera even if the children don't want to. Also i really did not the way how the mother responded to the teachers concern about one of her students doesn't have a lunch saying that "no one should give her daughter any food." Like what the heck?!
It seems like this family channel was one to do that to their kids…. My most charitable take would be that the fame gets to their parents heads and they forgot that their children may not want the fame and money and lifestyle career that they want
@@cruelworldhappymind I completely agree with your statement. Once fame and fortune gets to a person or well people’s minds. They turn into a completely different person/individual. It’s like they only care for the money and not what they want to see what’s best for their children; which is something people should be careful of because the family might end up loosing their children and they will be taken away from their parents and be put in another place away from them because they don’t want their children to live with them because of their parents selfishness.
As someone who grew up LDS (aka Mormon) in Utah, this heavy-handed family and parenting dynamic is, sadly, quite common. I will admit that there are plenty of positive aspects to be seen from the religion and its emphasis on the importance of family, it’s not my intention to disparage the beliefs of others, but this story exemplifies the multiple major pitfalls that can also stem from it. I’ve seen plenty of people just like Ruby in my life.
People who grow up in Utah, and LDS communities therein, tend to live in a very sheltered environment, rarely exposed to differing ideas or people. It is to the point where there is a general sense of discomfort or distrust for anyone that is not also LDS or a Utah native. Those ideas or people that do not coincide with the church are designated as “worldly”. When she is crying in the car and says that their school is trying to “expose them to the world”, that is a very common sentiment. On the flip-side, they become way too trusting of anyone that is a fellow church member. That’s why you see all the massive MLMs stemming from Utah with founders that are LDS. Utah provides them with the perfect scamming ground because, “Oh, they go to church every Sunday, so of course they are a good person. They would never scam anyone”.
LDS parents do develop a strong mentality that they are “stewards” of their children’s lives and “worthiness”; and that their duty isn’t simply to care for/mentor their children as they grow, but direct them on a very specific path. From the outside looking in, you can see the issues here and how unhealthy this can become for the children. Parents maintain a stranglehold on their life choices, either directly, or even indirectly, simply through the extreme pressure of those expectations. I know firsthand how much those expectations weigh on a child. As they get older, It reaches a point where the child will either fall in line (perpetuating the cycle), lash out in a desperate attempt to express their individuality (often resulting in alienation from the family), or in the worst of cases, choose to take their own life.
Utah has one of the highest teen suicide rates in the country, and this is often tied back to the extreme pressure put on youth in LDS culture, though the church adamantly denies this connection.
Apologies for stepping into my own perspective at this point. We are so instilled with these ideas of “worthiness” in the eyes of the Lord, and the steps necessary to stay that way, that we feel like we are bad people if we make any deviation. We are so overwhelmed by the expectations of our family and community that it becomes a cage. This is especially common for teens that are LGBTQIA+. Speaking from first-hand experience, there was nothing more horrifying than grappling with the realization that I was gay. There was no thought in my mind more terrifying than my family finding this out. This can feel you with so much despair and self-loathing, that you may come to the conclusion that it makes more sense to end your life than face those consequences. You may even convince yourself that it’s altruistic. That you’re an abomination in the eyes of God and a disappointment to your family. I was one of the lucky ones that was met with unconditional love and open-mindedness from my family when all came to light. I can’t even imagine the darkness that must be felt from those with parents like Ruby, who takes their bed away for 7 months for pulling a harmless prank…
I’m also not surprised that Ruby will always double down. Her mindset is so firmly rooted in those beliefs that it’s the only perspective she’ll acknowledge, and it will always reinforce her existing values, rather than give her any cause to question them. For church members like her, it warps into a narcissistic sense of entitlement and need for control. She thinks she is a chosen lamb of God and those that criticize her are “of the world”, in which case she has an obligation to disregard them. She wants to remain in that bubble and she wants to keep her kids there with her.
What she did was straight up child abuse. If to compile everything said and done on camera and bring it to the authorities she'd have no children. This is truly sickening, how can someone do this to children, their own at that?
It’s so alarming that those horrible things is what she willingly put online. What do you think she held back when the cameras weren’t rolling 😮 I hope her kids can find healing and happiness!
The extreme religious aspect of this is what makes it so scary to me. I’m SO worried for those kids that are (most likely) still with her. There are so many horrific stories from people who get so sucked into these cults and…I just hope those kiddos are okay
I’m so glad that at least her oldest daughter isn’t living with the parents anymore (that’s what I heard from last time). I can’t imagine having a mom like her, I sometimes wonder if she was raised the same way she’s treating her kids and the same with the dad bc he just doesn’t seem to care he just stares at the canera most of the time and nods to his wife what she’s saying (sorry for my English it’s not my first language)
Thank you so much for covering this family! It sickens me to my core and people need to understand that it’s not okay!! Trisha Paytas has already launched her own family channel now that she had a baby! And these “family channels” need to be stopped!! Protect the kids
I received a text from my daughter’s teacher letting me know her lunch money was running low. They fed her lunch, I thanked her profusely, and immediately added funds to her account. Kids have to eat at school, it affects their learning ability, behavior, moods, etc. A 5 year old is not ready to pack a lunch everyday. They can help, but it’s not their responsibility, it’s on the parents to provide food. And if there is any credibility to the accusations, Kevin Franke needs to file for custody of the kids. They should not be with their mother if these allegations are true.
i think it’s easier for a child to consent to playing a “role” like in child acting (although it’s not always good) but when they themselves are the character I think it’s incredibly damaging. We all need a sense of privacy
The giant smile Ruby has when she talks about "parenting" her kids is horrifying. Her kids deserve better.
The blatant disrespect for her own children is disgusting. There are so many private moments that go on between children and parents, clothing shopping, bad days at school, getting in trouble, and she just spreads everything throughout the entire world, for everyone to see. I've done horribly embarrassing things as a kid, stuff I definitely don't want on the internet! But these kids? Don't get a choice, because their mommy wants clout.
The worst of it though is that, this will never not affect these kids. Every embarrassing moment they've gone through is online, and there is nothing they can do about it, and that's awful.
I hope this woman suffers, and that may be cruel, but I don't care, these children deserve justice. She's a disgrace to the title of mother, and I hope she gets what's coming to her.
What really stands out about Ruby is that she's such an egomaniac, just in general and especially in regards to her parenting methods. The way she smiles like she's the most clever and tough person alive for denying her little girl a meal or depriving her son of his privacy for months on end is so telling. The worst part is that Ruby is the sort of person whose views will only grow stronger with criticism. The more people tell her that her that disciplining your children is ineffective and dangerous without sincere compassion and empathy, the more she will become convinced that we're all just too soft and can't handle the truth. It's such a tragic mess and I'm glad at least those of us viewing the situation from the outside can show these kids the compassion and respect their mother apparently can't be bothered to give them.
The mom is so similar to mine it’s actually scary. I tend to undermine the abuse my mom puts me through but seeing another person do it to her kids is infuriating. Maybe my anger is justified
It's amazing how all the signs were there, yet it took so long for Ruby's abusive actions to come to light.
26:30 Nothing like Ruby saying shes giving her kids the gift of boundaries and continuously not respecting their wishes to be off-camers, recording embarrassing moments, and not giving them an ounce of privacy in their own home. This woman does not deserve to be a parent.
this is perfect foreshadowing of "why don't my kids want to talk to me anymore." etc.
"its bc they're uncomfortable with her not having a lunch"
or maybe its bc she literally needs to eat idk
"he needs to develop some very basic maturity and skills that he will need as an adult"
you mean the maturity and skills that you're supposed to help him develop? that you maybe failed at doing? and instead of trying to do better you just ship him off to someone else to do that for you? what great parents!
the whole chad thing drives me mad like “my child who ive abused and starved all their life is acting out!!” shocker 💀 Also her calling her kids selfish reminds me of my mother telling me i was as a kid because i had emotional needs LOL
You HAVE to do the Schaffer family next. They might be the worst family channel ever
Thank you for the suggestion!! I will absolutely cover them, very passionate about this topic!!
That's the family name I was trying to remember, I think. The adoption, right?
@@justnana13-klj40 No, that was Myka Stauffer.
@@gabriellevalentine2057 oh ok. Thank you. Those names were so similar..I will have to see who that other one is.i can't keep up anymore..😂💜
Thank you for blurring the kids faces it's one of the problems with family channels I want to disapprove but I have no way of actually watching the content without giving them money or views... So thank you for allowing me to being informed and not feel like I'm taking part in abusing a child
Damn she just literally said all of the quiet parts out loud. “I can feel my power lifting away” when her daughter moved out. WTFFF
Law enforcement should check on the children of all the parents who supported her channel.
Thanks for covering. I never watched 8 passengers but I used to watch a couple of her sisters (Ellie and Bonnie) back in the day and when I used to watch them, something always seemed off about Ruby. It's honestly just such a shame cos even though I don't condone family vlogging anymore, the rest of her family (as in her parents and sisters) seem really nice in comparison.
I always believe that necessities should never be withheld as punishment, only niceties. This includes food, shelter (such as your room), and social relationships.
Kids will not starve if not given dinner, but they will develop an unhealthy relationship with food if food is frequently withheld.
Not to undermine the amazing you video you created but I also wanted to mention that you look amazing! I love your style and make up. I was listening and not watching, and when I pulled my phone out, saw you and audibly said "aw she looks so pretty!"
Aw thank you! I felt very crummy while filming so that’s very kind of you
Being a neglectful asshole isn't a 'parenting method' I'm very done with people who get called out saying shit like'you don't understand my methods or my child' as their all hungry and food deprived in the back on the room crying and she smirks "you just don't get it, ha'
I'm a 30 year old man and my mom has brought me lunch to work several times when I've forgotten, or my food got thrown out of the office fridge or something like that. People forget stuff, especially if they're 6... Sometimes if you forget your lunch you do have to go hungry but most the time someone will help you out.
The thing about Ruby taking a shower before taking her daughter to the hospital, my mom isn't that bad (she has her problems but not as bad as my dad) but she did the same thing to me when I told her to take me to the er. It didn't take her an hour and thankfully nothing was wrong with me but it really felt shitty even at the time for her to be like "you feel like you're dying? ok lemme get a shower then I'll take you to get help"
Edited bc I got further in the video: WOMAN YOU'RE CRYING OVER A FUCKING SONG? jesus some parents
As a mother myself, our job as a parent is to do 2 things.. 1) love your children, unconditionally. To be that mentor through life and 2) Prepare your children for the next phase of life, including the real world. If you shelter them, and pretty much parent like this woman, you are doing your children a disservice and setting them up to fall when they become adults
I think it’s imperative to put more safeguarding in place for not only thing like family channels but for children in all sorts of front facing industries like film or cinema, television or UA-cam. Sure they need guidance but look at what happens to these child stars when they are taken advantage of. It usually doesn’t end well, and when it doesn’t the public tends to leave them by the wayside. P.s another great video!
who just leaves their kid hungry? i know that’s like one out of the million things she’s done but that’s such a basic necessity and worry for your kid? i don’t have kids but even when my nephews are hungry i quickly feed them. It’s just crazy
People who see their children as a paycheck and abuse their children get to have a ton of kids, and yet there are so many loving parents who lose their babies in pregnancy or to SIDS…I wish that was something that could make sense.
Omgs, when I was a kid my mom cut up my ‘blankie’ and I was horrified.. probably around the same age of the young daughter who’s stuffed animals head was threatened to be cut off.
Ruby give the vibes that she can't stand anyone being kind unless it's her brand of "kind".
Thank you for exposing this horrific emotional abuse towards the poor children.
It’s their responsibility to protect and provide their children so they can grow healthy, happy, and have a safe environment. 😱
Bed wetting is a trauma response. Oh my goodness. This is horrific for developing brains.
Chronic emotional abuse on children will have long-lasting effect on them when they grow up.
It’s cruel, scary, and sick.
I hope the children are going to grow up in a safe, secure, and healthy environment. 😢
I was raised by my Prussian grandma who was born in 1946. I was born in 1996. She's a tough woman (Prussian means tough, proud and strict). Despite she always says that parents bring children to the world. Feeding humans you gave birth to is your duty. She says that children have their own issues despite they might seem little to adults, they really influence kids. She always provided me with privacy and respect even in my gothic, Lacrimosa phase. She was demanding in terms of honesty, integrity and education but she never exercised pointless discipline. Once she even talked negatively about her friend with whom I stayed for weekend. She said that I wasn't very well behaved (sic! I have excellent Kinderstuben) because she called me and I replied that I would come down in 1 minute, I wanted to say goodbye to my friend. She said that I wasn't not a dog and didn't do anything wrong.
I'm shocked that my grandma, raised by people who were born in Prussian Kingdom, who grew up during very demanding times, have more understanding and compassion towards young people than a 35yo wasp mother.
The way she says "my house". It's their home, those kids can't provide for themselves yet to have their own place. They're manipulating and keeping their kids in constant fear. These parents are nuts, they're training their kids in the way I wouldn't train my dog. There's difference between dyscyplinie and dysfunction. Taking out doors, looking through someone's stuff, refusing food and bed is not dyscyplinie. It teaches kids how to be abusive, how to lie and manipulate. I'm out of words for parents who grew up in privileged conditions, teach their kids absolutely bananas worldview. Kids aren't made to take care of their siblings or to be your house cleaners. They should participate to be well rounded people but they aren't your clones to live for you.
How can a person say that providing for their kid you made is a privilege? Do they compare themselves to the worst parents of all? Plus, they make their kids work, full time and they refuse them food? Those stupid parents are provided by their innocent children despite their pleas not to be constantly recorded. I wasn't perfect. When I didn't something wrong, I was ashamed of my grandma. The level of respect and love for her I had due to, according to 8 passengers, privilege of love and respect were enough. Of course, some kids struggle more with social consensus but treating them like this won't help. Especially that her kids are amazing and they're spoiling them by teaching them abuse. As adults they'll behave like recently released convicts out of prison, asking for permission to drink water. They'll be stuck in hopeless relationships due to their parents naming abuse as love (of course they might get help as adults and be happy, I wish them well!). They're wealthy and due to their kids hard work and involuntary sacrifice they have extra money. They could afford therapy if their son is struggling so much but they won't do it because deep inside they know they're the problem. Plus, taking care of your kid is a privilege for them that they don't deserve. Better send them on unregulated camp where abuse happens every minute and they might get hurt.
Christian sects in US are destroying generations of people. These parents want to build their imagine through their kid, as amazing parents and good people by fulfilling ideas of Mormon or whatever pedagogy that are absolutely harmful. From my European perspective, it's absolutely nuts the casual fanaticism that is engraved in certain societies. Here we deal with it too but it's not considered that being a strict Christian is making you automatically a good person. It's not normal to take advice about parenting from a random pastor or a priest at least since 50 years. These parents just want to be admired by and they know they're judged by their offspring. Unfortunately, it's not about kid's happiness, health and development but their thoughtless, unnecessary dyscyplinie. All of this apart from them making their kids work full time, not paying them, refusing food and privacy. Family channels must be regulated!!! I wish the kids all the best that they'll avoid generational trauma and find family in their real friends!
Hohoho, I wrote day worth of reading messy essay. I was so moved I spilled here my stream of consciousness. My grandma wasn't perfect but she never refused my questions. I never appreciated it but she never blocked me from debating my life and obligations. Basical principle of love is like a gift compared to those maniacs.
Missed you girlie! Hope y’all are good. Love your videos and look forward to them. ❤❤
Thank you so much!! I am doing okay, was super sick but trying to get into the swing of things!!
god, finally some complete coverage on this channel. ive been trying to keep up with this whole thing for years, but it’s so confusing, and i honestly was getting tired of watching 10-minute videos talking about it in a very surface-level fashion. excited to see your coverage on this situation! ms. frank needs her face plastered all over the internet with a giant label of *abuser*.
Rot in jail, Ruby.
Her restricting their food is bound to set someone up for an ED. My mother used to do that when I was little (restricting food because of weight) and it led me to a binge eating issue that I still wrestle with
As someone who works in court for child abuse cases, what this family does in videos alone would be multiple referrals (in my state at least). I can imagine them making the parents do a psychological eval with a parenting capacity component bc they clearly do not understand proper child discipline and care. I would also see parenting classes and a shit ton of therapy for the parents and the kids. I can also see this getting all the way to TPR bc I can’t imagine them actually doing the services or listening to the judge’s orders bc “How dare you tell me how to parent?” Just saddening…
While the subject matter is incredibly heartbreaking, this video was tactfully and tastefully presented. I get physically ill when I think of those poor innocent children having to grow up in a household where being fed is considered a privilege and your bed gets taken away as punishment. On top of that, I feel awful for the poor daughter who moved off to college (I'm sure she didn't even get to choose which school she attended) and attempted to gain some much deserved autonomy and independence. Her mother became ridiculously upset - not because her daughter was leaving the nest, but because Ruby wouldn't have as much control over her!! My heart breaks for those children.