MGSV - Why Ishmael is a LIE, Despite Venom is a Body Double (Theory)
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Some think that Ishmael is not real, others believe that Ishmael is Big Boss, but what we believe is that there could be more to Ishmael than meets the eye. In this video, we analyze the mysteries behind this enigmatic character, and elaborate on the possibility, that Venom Snake might not be seeing the actual truth.
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![[METAL GEAR SOLID V] Why the fans initially REJECTED Punished "Venom" Snake.](/img/n.gif)
(Before video) But isn't Ishmael aka big boss actually real? Cuz you meet you in the older games even in the end of phantom Pain they show the truth big boss has a phantom and the Venom snake the one you play as is the medic that saved big boss so how is he a hallucinating him in the hospital?
After:holy shit its all about the little Details everything was happening fast and I haven't played the other games
At 26:47 I was wondering why the fuck is Snake not helping Venom!? Like come on man if we had to get out of here wouldn't carrying venom be faster than to see him struggle?
Ishmael is more like anluscination of Venon Snake subconscious after all the hypno treatment they did on him
@@shadowlink14_2 Third Man Syndrome. There’s dozens of examples of where two people will be trapped in a life or death situation, and they’ll report feeling like a third person was there helping them make decisions.
Your brain will “project” an image of your expertise outside of itself to guide you in extreme stress, essentially.
Venom is in the exact situation where he would create a Third Man. “Someone” external to help him remember what to do.
It’s also important to note, this can happen with 1 person or groups of people. Ishmael was always just a projection of Venom’s own psyche helping him.
And, to be clear, I don’t mean he made a ghost who actually did shit, like Psycho Mantis at the end of 4 or something. I mean he hallucinated Ishmael throwing the silencer he, Venom, actually threw. Because the stress of the situation was too much for his barely conscious recently comatose brain to handle and it needed an external locus of control in that moment to survive.
Lol your wrong there in vr
Honestly, venom escaping the hospital on his own is more bad ass
It’s clearly just Joshua Graham, he realized he wasn’t in Fallout New Vegas so he got outta there
I think Ishmael is also a visual metaphor for Venom's original subconscious helping him transition into Big Boss.
Mom: What you watching?
Me: Some documentary...
A documentary, worthy of research. =)
This deserves an epic thumbs up if ever was one.
When you play Metal Gear, you come out doubting reality itself.
Or 'yourself' as in your own perception, haha
the scary thing is mgs3 plays way too similar to what my grandpa might have been doing in the Suez canal in 1957 and other areas after, as he was in the A.S.A...at least, im not supposed to know :p
Lol yeah and I doubt Kojima himself even truly knows what’s going on. A lot of the story across these games, and even within individual games, doesn’t really make sense and has quite a lot of gaps. Way back when I first played MGS 1 on PS1, it became my favourite game. After that I bought a PS2 just to play metal gear. And same for PS3. I never got a PS4 but got a pc instead and MGS 5 came out on pc too so there was no need to buy a PS4. I wonder if we will ever get an MGS 6.
Raiden That’s why I don’t focus on the story for Metal Gear, I focus on the gameplay to avoid all of the mind fuckery.
That’s how I was when I finished Mgs2 for the first time
MGSV 3D Modeler who forgot to add blood that sees this theory: "Let's go with that."
Subbed. Love theories like this!
TBH in the moment Ishmael pulls the knife off you can see some transparent liquid being spilled. Definitely not blood.
8:54 *dramatic music and zooming begins*
Me: The butt crack is the same?! :O
Two butt cracks aren't always the same. There is only room for one butt boss.
Lol
Butt grandpa's in mgs4
Damnit... What I'm reading here...?
lol i thought the same, turned out it was the bracelets.
The "not shooting the guy on the right" scene was definitive for me, this is f*cking true
Mantis in MGS1: "This is the first time I've ever used my power to help someone. Strange... Such a NOSTALGIC FEELING." As if he remembered the time he helped Venom back in 1984.
So you guys mean to say that Ishmael is the paramedic real identity (real old form) helping Venom (new reprogrammed form) as some kind of memory mentor throughout the hospital events?
Underrated comment. Very well put. Explains it perfectly.
...Yes, that sounds about right. Don't think for a second that having Kiefer Sutherland voice both Venom Snake and Ishmael is a coincidence.
Pretty much.
@@vovin8132 so where did the big boss scene come in?
@@vovin8132 but he also voices the actual big boss
Big Boss: *an expert and the man who co developed Close Quarters Combat*
Ishmael: stay back or i will throw stuff at you
💀
@Robin Hogan Big Boss was injured
He had to make it look realistic. The player is supposed to be Big Boss, how would it look of some apparent random just came and took out one of XOF's best assassins in hand to hand, a thing BB is best at?
DarthDragon007 I’m sure the last thing “Big Boss” would’ve thought while facing a super soldier like Quiet while in a near death state is “I hope this manly man doesn’t save me from certain death” lmfao
Looks like the scene where Big Boss goes aways in his bike is before everything in the hospital even begins.
idiot, ocelot even said he had 2 jobs
Ishamel isnt real but big boss is venom only seen ishamel for a “guide” reference material if anything
@@Jarpington are you a fucking troglodyte? the game very clearly explains that venom is the body double of big boss NOT big boss himself
Well, Ocelot rescuing Venom happens 3 hours BEFORE that scene. Anyway, "The Truth" was badly done.
@@Jarpington There's also time and location info at the cutscenes. Watch the comparison of prologue and mission 46 on yt.
If Ishmael isn't real, I wonder if the scene where he's teaching you to hide from enemies in the hospital is supposed to be Venom remembering what Big Boss taught him when he was still the medic
Than who burned down Quiet ?
@@tnaxpwpsycho mantis
MGS may be over, but that doesn’t mean the speculation needs to end. That’s what I love most about this franchise.
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Love ur vids
Seriously, Kojima has to be proud of his series. Despite getting tired of making the games, and trying to end the series since mgs2, he kept giving us quality with deep philosophy. I know it wasn't him alone, but I think the rest of his team understands that Kojima is our Cypher. And as we know Cypher is not one man, but an idea, a meme.
It's old news but it started popping back up but sony wants to make a deal to get the rights to mgs,silent hill, and Castlevania
There’s no way it’s over I need mgo4
24:56 If you notice, the red blood spewing from the wound is grey. When Venom Snake hallucinates or injures his head, he cannot see the color red. This is further evidence that he is hallucinating during this scene. Not sure about the rest of the stuff in the scene, but it seemed odd the blood was grey. Maybe it was just the lighting?
I've also noticed that. It happens during the unfinished Eli cutscene as well, from what I remember (Episode 51).
this plays into ep 51,,, i think it has something to do with misintrupting facts,, and how that effected liquid maybe..he saw himself incorrectly or idk
If you fall from a high enough height, the impact will cause Venom to perceive red as grayish white. I noticed this while on Mother Base around where all the material containers are; the combustible containers's red logo and lines were completrly shifted to grey
Wait, what? Wasn't it red, when he froze the frame?
@@ChristopherFreeman0032 liquid was in a red jumper among people in white. V couldn't see it and accidentally shot liquid. If i remember correctly.. been a while since I've seen the ripped footage and script
Here's something to throw into the mix;
In MGS1, once Meryl becomes possesed, First Person View (Snakes Perspective) is replaced by what Mantis is seeing. So what if the Venom/Big Boss and Tretij relation in the hospital is some kind of throwback idea to that moment?
Very well made. I am borderline obsessed with mgsV and ground zeroes. I watch countless hours of videos like this one, but this video is the first time I've seen this theory put together so cleanly with such compelling evidence. This is more call-out and less theory, job well done sir.
Yes, more call-out
It's the Illuminati of videogames.
Thought the game made him seem like big boss in disguise.. it was weird when a scene showed Ishmael shot down and moments later hes back helping you..
That's a different patient, Ishmeal is already in the other room by that point.
Don't forget (we/)he likes to hallucinate.
@@hatad321 o.o
that scene was a classic callback to "a glitch in the matrix"
“Where is the truth then.”
“It’s hidden in the lies.”
But seriously V almost seems like it’s designed to make us crazy. I know people don’t agree with Venom and Big Boss being extended versions of the same character but if Big Boss was whole why the rumors about him being a cyborg in MG2 and being rebuilt in 4. Also why does Big Boss wonder if Zero hated or fear him if Zero wanted him to live. I’m curious if this taking place in Big Boss’ or Venom’s mind can other characters be an extension on what is going through the mind. It’s also hard to believe Kojima would forget about Big Boss’ fighting style and the time stamps in the ending. Ever MGS game lies to you but only V never comes clean or does it? Ultimately it’s up to the players to come together with their own “truth.”
It's very possible that part are Venom is yin to the yang of big boss, his battle torn mind is a unreliable narrator making sense of his coma, The duality of what it means to be a hero in a war in capitalist economy that feeds into itself. Leaving Venom as possibly the compartmentalized part of his psyche that he scapegoats. I don't know, I thought the way the game was done is amazing.
Wtf you mean by Kojima forgoting BB's style? He wouldn't use cqc before Ahab to not make it all obvious how dumb can you all be
But we are the player, we are Venom Snake. The body double for our hero, Big Boss. So we have our own truth each to his own.
Also, that might explain why old Big Boss is much quicker and stronger than snake in MGS 4.
Sonic We will probably never know since it now belongs to konami
Amazing work. For me the dead give away, is when Venom had to shoot both, he is right and left, unnecessary statement to say, clearly a hint from kojima.
I'd like to note another similar character situation: Viktor Reznov. While his false existence is fully explained, I think Ishmael works in the same way (just replace hypnotism with a piece of metal touching Venom's brain). They're clever plot devices that add character and background without being boring. While Reznov was a bit more involved in the story, Ishmael is sort of just a tutorial character that adds room for speculation.
i always wondered why quiet never finished ishmael off after "throwing" the knife into him. she straight went to venom to choke him out. as if ishmael wasnt even in the room, she completly igonred him in that moment, even though he still could defeat her. and also a bit later his right shoulder had no blood from the thrwoing knife. this all seemed fishy to me
So lowkey, Mantis was the bodyguard [unknowingly] send out to help Venom.
So Mantis was a double-agent?
If I may add to this excellent theory:
A) How would big boss find and identify digoxin in a hospital ward so quickly?
B) How would he know exactly what digoxin is used for?
C) How would he know how long it takes for digoxin to kick in?
All immediately after a 9 year coma?
On the other hand, the subconscious of Venom would have had all of his previous knowledge as a medic!
Also! Both times that Venom gets a dislocated limb, Ishmael fixes it for him. After the prologue, when you get these exact same dislocations Venom snake uses the exact same technique as Ishmael to fix it. Almost as if they share the same medical knowledge ;)
P.S. Holy shit the connection to Mantis talking about helping people being "nostalgic" blew. My. Mind!!!!!!!
Digoxin actually does the opposite of what Ishmael says it does. I'm guessing if Ishmael is real, he used it to further coax Venom/BB into submission to accept truths later told by Ocelot on the whaling ship? Perhaps that was his involvement in a grand mission of some sort.
well venom did get quite a beating to his brain so it's probably true.
No one tells you the details so you have no idea
Funnily enough, there are real life stories of people who claim to have been saved by a person who turns out to not exist. And this has happened to multiple people who all swear they also saw them.
Do you have any links or sources for this? I want to know because it sounds interesting.
@@CarlosAugusto-up5xm i have heard of this before as well, I'm not sure but ill try
@@CarlosAugusto-up5xm the israely guy who was lost in amazonas,he says an indian saved him,she wasnt real.
Look it up
Quarren Everett yeah try to update us on that, I’d like to also take a look.
@@CarlosAugusto-up5xm the 4th person effect i think its called like that.
Yeah it would also be stupid for ocelot to just go smoke a cigar with snake and let venom alone in danger.
Big Boss: Hey, what about a medic, is he in danger?
Ocelot: Nah... He'll be fine... *lights a cigar*
A lot of people hated MGS5. Others loved it.
My personal opinion is that MGSV is one of the best games in history. Five years later and still we face new theories, secrets and easter eggs. Only huge games like GTA, The Witcher and the Metal Gear Saga can do that. And Kojima is the master when it comes to a game's legacy.
Yo this is crazy, have you tried sending this to Kojima to see what he got to say about it?, this is awesome and it have a lot of sense
Nothing. He moved on, mgs isn't his concern anymore
It’s like he’s from KojiPro or something
He likes people wondering about the meaning behind, in every single one of his games.
@@satanamogila9251 still a game he made.
The best of the best videos and the theory about what happend. What a nostalgic memory.
After watching this video and the "I'll take the right. You take the left" part, my first thought was to the MGS1 fight . Switching controller ports from left to right in order to beat mantis.
Just one thing...in the hospital, Quiet says "the patient in the next bed saw my face." She was there for Snake, so she couldn't be referring to him. Though I guess there could have been another patient in there, just not "Ishmael."
I miss the metal gear hype. Good times. These vids are great and are a reminder that the metal gear universe still exists. Cool
Amazing... After 5 years we discover new things hidden in the game that's priceless
"what happened to the woman?" - I...we gave her a light, she took the short way down "who are you?" -who am I? you're talking to yourself. Honestly I don't know how people didn't pick up on this from the get go, anyway always love your videos guys, still waiting for the death stranding analysis
Bigboss or double to protect venom
That part is referring to them both being Big Boss from that point on. One coin, two sides.
Snake: "hey jackass! can you like, give me a hand? I'm crawling on the floor here!"
Ishmael: "you're talking to yourself."
The Ishmael fighting style is what really got me. I remember seeing that after learning the "truth" and thinking, "wtf that's big boss?"
then who fought off Quiet?
Had me waiting huh?
Never ever stop making me believe there will be a MGSVI. These MGSV analysis videos are absolutely fantastic. I don't want them to end, the same way I didn't want The Phantom Pain to end.
I'm glad you used "evidence" instead of "proof". Fun details like Ishmeal having two eyes may just be laziness as we know Konami was dropping the funding hammer creating a time crunch. That said you made an extremely fun and compelling video, thanks!
It's the very first mission in the game, funding couldn't have been a problem at that moment during the development
I doubt it was laziness. Kojima is an absolute madman when it comes to details. It was likely deliberate.
Ishmael isn’t real. He’s a manifestation of Mantis helping Venom out of the hospital.
Pythonselkan is the anonymous in the mgs universe
What a nonsensical statement. Your comment is the Dark Souls of UA-cam.
so basically part two will be "Oceania has always been allies with Eurasia and enemies of East Asia."
LOVE your content man!!! Thanks for putting so much effort.
*see PythonSelkan released a new theory video*
“Aw shit here we go again.”
There is a group of French youtubers, all the way since late 2015 early 2016, that came to very similar conclusions about the “truth” of MGSV, analyzing philosophical references inside the game, saying that what is presented to us is certainly not the truth.
Recently one of them, using his knowledge in philosophy and literature, stated that nothing said or seen in this game can be trusted. Especially when you consider that this game might only be a memory of Snake just before operation Intruder N313. (The scene we see when we lauch TPP for the first time)
Those guys got hours and hours of one of the most interesting content about MGSV on internet, it’s too bad they barely translated anything in English in their work, I’m sure you and your audience would have loved their videos.
Can you give their names?
Would you please give these youtubers' names?
I was going to bring up the CQC fumble as a result of the coma but you elaborated on it right after bringing it up so gotdamn, this is excellent. Great analysis/high level editing (as always tbh)
I always had this feeling, nice to see concrete evidence for it... you're pretty good...
Reminds me of that airforce pilot who survived via a contact via radio from a station that doesn't exist.
The "phantom pain" has a DOUBLE meaning here
Excellent video. I think Ishmael is Venoms former self before he was brainwashed into current self escaping the hospital. Big Boss is long gone at this point. Amazing work.
Kojima-san is really a genius, hiding the truth under something else that we has us take as the truth.
The 3x I've played this mission it always felt like a dream sequence. This breakdown proves kojima put the work in on writing a mulit layered story.
this is unbelievably well edited and very detailed. I love it 100%
Bro this has gotten me to replay MGSV TPP again just to put the pieces together. You got a new sub and much love from me, keep it coming.
🙏🙏
This was such a phenomenal video i had no idea that 40 minutes had passed. Your analysis sucked me right in, fantastic work you deserve a sub
Always thought quiet burst into flame due to some unspecified chemical reaction when Ishmael throws that bottle and it breaks on her
This explains why big boss had a different voice from before
Wow....the whole time in MGSV and I didn't even bother to aim to get a look at Ishmael's face. damn.....DAMN
I would also like to add a few things if they haven't been pointed out before:
- If Ishmael were really there and if he was the real Big Boss, why didn't he pick up the gun the doctor dropped in that room on the way out? The only gun "he" picked up was a completely identical gun to the one you picked up.
- If Miller was constantly talking about "Revenge" why wouldn't have Mantis picked up on that emotion? Because Miller was working with Cypher the whole time and playing his role, he never felt those emotions, Eli, Venom, Volgin and Skull Face were all fighting for control, but nobody else effected Mantis, not even Miller.
- The cassette player next to your bed in the hospital was used to implant alot of those memories you heard on cassette from Ground Zero and TPP, sort of like how the cassettes were used to effect the parasites, which would also be the catalyst for the nanomachines later on and how they were used to control those they were implanted with.
Man I love this series
Wait a minute, I've never understood Mantis's involvement with MGSV (like I never understood why he showed up when he did and why he 'assumed' certain people by wearing pieces of their clothing), but he only shows up when there are heavy feelings of revenge, is that right? If so that now makes a whole lot more sense to me.
so if Ishmael was venoms mind keeping his original persona alive wouldn't that suggest that Ishmael is the name of the Medic who becomes venom snake?
What is the comic strip in the beginning with solid and liquid from? That was too cool. Also great video, Kojima would be proud you noticed all this.
This is the puzzle I've also been trying to solve. There's just a few instances where Ishmael does things that only a real other person could do. Like drive the ambulance. Plus ocelot saying he came to rescue you, and the man himself(big boss)
So, throwing inanimate objects and lighting matter on fire with telekinesis is possible but telekinetically driving is out of the picture? I can't get behind that idea...
@@sirswifty4640 the vehicle was manual transmission. How the boy know how to drive it? Lol
“A certain man gave me a job to do... two, actually. The first was to get you out of that hospital. The second was to rescue the man himself. You remember your old partner, Kazuhira Miller?”
Dan M is right. Moments ago The Third Boy pilots a wrecked helicopter and uses it to decimate a squad of soldiers, then suddenly running over the man on fire with an ambulance is somehow out of the question? The entire game features men torturing each other then faltering right when it’s time to “from hell’s heart I stab at thee”- in other words “pull the trigger”. Skull Face has dozens of chances to end the rivalry betwixt him and Big Boss and never does. Venom lets Huey go despite the whole of Mother Base going under, erasing a game’s worth of progress. This is after he has to deal with the events of “Shining Lights, Even In Death”. He doesn’t even kill Skull Face. It makes sense. You convince yourself you’ll tear the place apart when you finally get fired, you’ll punch that bully in the mouth when you get the chance, you’ll tell the family how dad really was at the funeral, but you find yourself hesitating at the last second, smiling and keeping the peace like always. Even the man on fire doesn’t take his revenge after 20 years of waiting.
It’s like my old Buddhist teacher used to say, “it feels good to hate”. It’s actually difficult to find nuance, to not let yourself hate, and to realize the person you despise has a lot more in common with you than you’d like to admit.
Wow this theory is somewhat proven because of COD Black Ops lol
i didnt play black ops. care to explain? thanks!
the 2nd "other" ishmael you pointed out is probably the original ishmael hiding
I didn't get it. So Ishmael is only visible to Venom, he exists only in his imagination. Quiet got owned by random items flying at her through telekinesis, self-combusting in the end. Okay. Ishmael didn't bleed after Quiet's knife throw. Yes.
What about the knife throw itself? Are you seriously going to ignore the fact that Quiet was obviously looking, aiming, and actually hitting Ishmael with a knife throw? That supposedly invisible/non-existent entity?
Venom is big boss himself quiet wasnt an idiot she knew how big boss looks she probably throw the knife to venom's arm
Ocelot also physically pulls Ishmael out of the ambulance and Venom is shown to be unconscious.
It would fall in line with everything else he said in the video. Quiet was never aiming at Ishmael.. She was aiming for Venom. Venoms mind and/or mantis manifested Ishmael. Venom may have been the one who was actually throwing objects at Quiet. Keep in mind that when Ishmael was stabbed there was no wound or blood. Dont you think thats odd?
Nothing that you're seeing is real, that's the theory. It makes sense when you consider that when venoms horn was hit during the ambulance chase ishmael falls unconscious immediately. it'd be pretty weird if ishmael was knock out by bullets wouldn't it? I mean, we shouldn't believe the truth, its 1984 after all.
The part where he says “You take the left I’ll take the right” kinda makes more sense when you put it like that 💯💯
Also the sheer fact that he introduces himself by saying "Call me Ishmael" after the doctor says that Venom is checked in under the name Ahab.
Captain Ahab is the main character of Moby Dick and his first line of dialogue is "Call me Ishmael".
As soon as I heard that line delivered in Kiefer Sutherland's voice I felt like it was pretty clear that Ishmael is your subconscious trying to protect you.
So many good points but the "Such a nostalgic feeling" OMG. It makes too much sense now.
Right on, you guys always have the deepest thought out theories that pan out and make me believe. Smooth and great delivery again.
I can tell a lot of work went into this. Nicely done
This is crazy! But I noticed many of these little details too, especially Ishmael. The eye, the knife to the shoulder without a wound, the pee getting Venom discovered rather than Ishmael.
It would make sense that Ishmael is a projection of himself, to deflect his betreyal of The Boss's wish. It's why all of the mentions of Boss is met with apathy. He created another person to live through (our avatar) so he didn't have to deal with his knowledge of Boss "putting down her gun" in Peace Walker. She betrayed all that he stood when he found out that she did that, and Big Boss became a lie. He was never her succsessor, and was incapable of ever being anything other than a solider. Putting down her gun meant she was more than herself, and he never understood that until he died at her gravesite.
Ishmael is a phantom of vanom snake and his old consciousnes when he was hit in his shrapnel his old self died and he became big boss
It's been five years! Will you stop blowing our minds? Just kidding! Please never stop! Awesome video, as usual!
These videos are amazing. The music, editing and the way you present the info is perfect. Thank you for all your hard work
in ocelots 1st set of briefing tapes, the very first gold colored one titled, "british sovereign base area - dhekelia" timestamp 00:26, venom asks ocelot who ishmael was and ocelot completely ignores him
Damn if python selkan isn't able to find out who venom snake truly is someday, there is no hope.. these are the best situational awareness video clip deciphering sherlock holmes style deductive reasoning masterpiece presentations there are for mgsv tpp
Awwww yiiiis, I love these kinds of theories.
You could also see that "Ishmael," only uses his right arm when driving
this analysis make me nostalgic, i always think what mgsv could have been if all pythonselkan theories were true,
It's not about what MGSV could have been. The game was deliberately constructed to leave more questions than answers when looked into. It doesn't matter that it's not baked into the actual plot, it's more like a puzzle. We have a game with a story laid out to us with enough discrepencies to generate theories like this to try and solve the puzzle. It's really neat actually.
Alright I'm super convinced, nice job. Shoutouts from the Sons of Kojima (Though It's been a while since I visited the sub lol)
Ok. How could i've never figured this whole scenario before? Mindblowing as always Python!
I was kind of skeptical at first but now I'm thinking, maybe
I have watched all your mgs vids and this is the pinnacle of your work and the best analysis I've yet to see great work I will be awaiting what comes next
I think more evidence to be piled on here is the fact we're dealing with the King of small game details: Hideo Kojima himself
Any other director, I would brush a lot of these off due to the studio being rushed. But Hideo Kojima not putting in the smallest details in *one of the first cutscenes*?
The absence of small details only means one thing in Kojima's case: they're on purpose to prove this exact theory
But why does mantis help him escape?
and then pursues him with the man on fire moments later?
Like he said in the video, Mantis' powers are easily influenced by the feelings of those around him. Ocelot mentions that the Third Boy wasn't controlling Volgin, he was overcome by feelings of hatred and revenge. So it's plausible that there was some conflict caused by both Venom and Volgin's rage and hatred. He helped Venom escape not because he wanted to, but because he was overwhelmed by his hatred.
He's not helping, his uncontrollable power were fluctuating between volgin's hunger for revenge and venom's evil thoughs to kill them all and be able to escape alive. 35:23 Mantis is the catalyst to all paranormal things happening, that's why he appears sometimes next to venom symbolizing that what's gonna happen next is because of venom thoughs, and sometimes on volgin's side.
Mantis is possessed by strong emotions and those who wield them. Mantis doesn’t gain conscious control over his own actions until way after the events of mgsv. It could be said that his time in hospital left him in a fugue state for many years.
If ishmael isn't real and isn't big boss, what was quiet doing in the hospital?
(i remembered that Quiet said "the patient in the next bed saw my face" after killing the doctor, refering to venom)
Yo... mind blown and I cannot believe I didn't catch any of this myself when I played this mission so many times.
I never knew this theory existed, but now I'm 100% set on it being true. There's so much evidence to support it.
Another thought-provoking video. Thank you very much for keeping us talking about this amazing series.
The scene where ishmael throws rubbing alchohol and a lighter to put quiet on fire was an obvious nod to big boss' defeat at the end of mgs2-solid snake
Perhaps, although that was hairspray and a lighter.
8:58 I almost thought you were going to use Ishmael's butt as proof the guy is a duplicate. "Only a Snake can be this dummy thicc"
what I'm still confused about is what did Venom actually look like after the surgery???
Is his Big Boss resemblance an illusion from the re-programming/brainwashing or does the surgeon actually make him look like Big Boss???
I ask because at the start of the game you create his appearance but once the surgery is over he looks nothing like the character created.
Then at the end in the mirror scene he sees the character created at the hospital intro, so is the Big Boss resemblance throughout the game also an illusion??
yeah ive never quite understood how that works
a lot of ads but damn can’t believe i missed all this
38:48 To be honest, I was very curious what he meant at first and, after watching this video, I think I know now.
Thank you very much for making this! Makes me play MGSV again.
Ishmael was a clever way of presenting a "Way Point"
Thank you.. Realy thank you. Idgf what's the "truth" .. Just.. Thanks, thanks for this video, thanks for ur job, thanks to make this saga.. Eternal 🙏🏼
I love MGS ! No other gaming community can feel how perfect these games are..
for all MGS fan; I love you guys ! And I know.. I know how you feel for this game just like me. So.. Thanks for the best game and community ever !
This was absolutely brilliant ! I enjoyed every second thank you for keeping this channel alive and full of new and exciting theory’s and ideas however, I really do believe that Ishmael was just a hallucination 🤯 awesome video bro god knows how long it took to make
Great video. So much details I didn't see while playing.
With the ambulance scene escaping from the hospital. What if instead of a right hand drive ambulance it was actually a left hand drive ambulance? Venom thinks that Ishmael was driving when it was actually himself? After the third boy torn between Venom and the man on fire was being pulled between both characters he drives into the man on fire with the ambulance before reversing and opening the door as if getting Venom to hop in the passenger seat like the game shows us. Would Cypress island have left hand or right hand vehicles? Could there be both types present? Another hallucination to blur the line between reality and fantasy.
In Cyprus, steering wheels are in the right side. And Ocelot mentions that hospital is in British territory of Cyprus. So it is definetly right seat driving.