TF2: Don't Play Spy*
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- #TF2 #teamfortress2 #spy
*when there's too many
0:00 Intro
0:26 Class Roles
2:09 Spy's Team
3:37 Paranoia
5:30 What to do
6:39 Outro
Music used (in order of appearance):
A Hat in Time - You Are Now Legally a Bird
Tears of the Kingdom - Hateno Tech Lab
Bowser's Fury - Fort Flaptrap
The Binding of Isaac Antibirth - Innocence Mangled (Depths)
The Binding of Isaac Rebirth - Abyss (Depths)
Animal Crossing New Horizons - Turkey Day
Chris Christodoulou - They Might As Well Be Dead
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No, gunspy is not an exception.
People see a spy, it doesn’t matter if they’re gunspy or not, they’ll get paranoid for backstabs regardless.
What if two spies are gunspy?...
What if there's 5 gunspies?
Well I'm dedicated to the phrase "SPY HAS A GUN!". Plus, what if I just forget the knife and entirely be a gunspy; just the gun part. It still involves spy's element of being incognito just more ranged. Also-
"Now yes, you have a gun. but unless you're going out of your way to drop all stealth and play gun spy". Spy Psychology - Spy has a Gun: Jontohil2 Sep 20, 2023
ok
Hey, we actually discussed this topic in a recent post I did on reddit. Thanks for using your plataform to address this, hopefully it'll make us medic mains lives easier!
not playing spy is probably the spy playstyle i'm best at.
same (spy is my most played class)
@cassualic relatable(250h and I still cant get a backstab)
Fore: Is that Jill?
@@hoodless_1 yes
@@birbeyboop very based, I loved the game / visual novel.
Spies are like medics. One is always appreciated, 5 is a joke, 9 is a unstoppable blitzkrieg.
Edit: Me, looks at replies and ask
"Why must *nerds* optimize the fun out the game?"
That or the enemy is also staking spy and you have no idea who's who
@@robertbookeriv801that's always great
Heavies on a payload, one is appreciated, 5 is a joke bc of sticky traps, 6 on the cart and 3 flanking the sticky demoman is unstoppable
@@ignacionachoberardo3837 no, stacking 5 heavies is honestly unstoppable, from experience
@@ME0WMERE 50% from the bulletstorm, 50% from the mental damage you give your opponent.
What makes me a good spy? A bad spy wouldn't be... RIGHT BEHIND YOU!
"Meet the demspy"
The fact i turned around 💀
"nothing personal kid"
*decloaks behind you*
@@Falkeshy *hears decloak sound and shoots shotgun behind myself*
nope not this time spy, next time pick a spot to decloak safely
@@youtuberjestforfun9074 *dead ringer noises behind you*
1:16 BING SOY SPOTTED BING SOY SPOTTED
He frequents the AU Uncletopia servers sometimes, that was indeed him
He's a living legend, Bing Soy.
You mean Sing Boy?
no, they definitely mean bing soy. he's a living legend.
@@eddsworldgaming9696 no, bing soy is a player who became very popular for his strategies
"Balance is like rock paper scissors. Bring enough paper and the enemy team will be too confused to get more scissors."
They will, however, bring a matchbook
I feel like the one class you can get away with stacking is Soldier, and that's only because he can run so many roles so effectively that you might as well be playing different classes with the same primary weapon.
I mean you can also get away with stacking heavies too
How do you counter 12 heavies shooting at you at once?
@@raniaelsayed568312 soldiers
@@raniaelsayed5683 Crit stickies
Soldier, Demo, Heavy, and Engie can all do well stacked. The rest not so much.
@@raniaelsayed5683kritz demo sticky spam
There was a spy concept knife to switch and play as the class you backstabbed. So even TF2 didn't want you playing spy.
Wouldn't that just be the YER but with extra steps?
to be specific, it was actually a gun, that gave enemies a debuff where, when stabbed, you’d turn into their class
I want a knife that gives disguises that make you gain some benefit as each victim you killed. but also that sounds fun. with limited uses, (as in each class of a unqie victim becomes a kind of ammo... for the disguise kit... back 4 soldiers you can disguise as soldier 4 times,)
like yer but, backstabbed scout now when you fake being a speedy pain you gain a slight speed boost... and you loose that boost upon dropping the disguise and the ability to disguise as scouts until you backstab another.
heavy extra max hp... like 50 to 100 hp. that just becomes over heal upon changing or loosing the disguise
soldier/demo blast resistance and 25 extra max hp.
pyro, crappy fire resistance and shorten afterburn(pyro will still be dangerous for spys even if they had that)
sniper you can actually fire you gun and keep your disguise, as long as you keep in with somekind of bar that fills up akin to a snipers charge shot... the bullet is just a normal bullet of whatever gun you have. I mean I could suggest jarate immunity buuuut that doesn't seem necessary.
engineer.... does nothing.
maybe faster clock regen or silent sapper
...heck if we must just give spy the ability to place down a single builder per engineer he backstabs. and survives from... every death all buildings spy built are destroyed he can't upgrade anything on his own but ehh maybe interesting I mean at worst he could place down a teleporter exit at enemy spawn.... to counteract this every time spy places a building it said in the killed feed, it could also be funny karma on turtling engineers because a spy can now place down 6 sentries and allow a single engineer guard them(til the spy likely stupid and pathetic death.)
if we want to add in more trouble snice spy doesn't know how to be a good engineer all buildings spys place are gonna work on both teams.... meaning dispensers from a spy heals red and blu alike, teleporters take everyone and the sentry gun fires at everyone (maybe even the spy who placed it.) if we made it neutral buildings than it's all level one bullcrap that could annoy everyone....and soft cap a spy sentry enough bullets to kill 2 heavies or soldiers(just so if everyone is an idiot. or the spy is a troll.... assuming it's netrual it can't be used to spawn kill his own teammates)
medic, self healing, and a self uber that lasts as long as the invis watch.... with the issue that you have stay as disguised medic for a whole minute and going invisible resets the timer, entirely and you have to be around enemy players(I mean changing it around could be neat but honestly mostly useless you have good team work like a real medic ) If you uber as spy it will last even when the disguised is dropped.
spy. you just walk through enemy players, and get more invis watch duration, as long as you are disguised as enemy spy.... and everyone can now hurt you except for crusader shots from your medic
I mean most of these are stupid or useless but hey it would be a bit interesting... engineer just unsure about.
and obviously you won't auto disguise upon backstab. you will loose it like normal SOOO yep.... I really spent an hours brainstorming something silly and stupid... cool
@@Odium_DOB that sounds incredible but too gimmicky to be added to base tf2
still, really cool idea and i wanna see it in a custom weapons server
@@lisatroiani6119 agreed. I felt the exact same but still dumb fun all the spy. if someone who wants to use this concept I give you full permission... just credit me as in some silly dumb way... heck don't I don't really mind... more choas more silly fun :p
As another equally good Spy youtuber once said, Spy's effectiveness is determined by how balanced the team struggle is
a team crushing or being crushed won't be affected by a spy much because they'd either not need the help or not be able to capitalize the push opportunity, so his effect is felt more when both teams are equally competent on holding each other off since the smallest opportunity window can easily snowball from there.
Kinda hard to accomplish that when 5 blokes on your side are squeaky Frenchmen and the opposing team is smart enough to get 1 extra Pyro.
Was that Elmaxo?
No, nevermind.
@@westontilby2726 Nah, HintShot
Too many Spies: your team will lose
Too many Snipers: your team will lose
Too many Medics: H E A V E N
“Medics needs power classes to heal/push”
- me in the video
@@Jontohil2 Perhaps an ubered Medic running in with the Ubersaw, getting 4 hits, and ubering the Medic who was ubering them, and that Medic also has the ubersaw, rinse and repeat
@@thesanss4671 that means you have to get a hit on a player once every 2 seconds
That’s just not happening for more than a few hits in a row
@@Jontohil2I beg to differ!(2 meds with ubersaw and stock medigun trapped us at spawn more than twice)
@@ourlordandsaviorsquirtle3278two meds chaining ubers isn't enough to spawncamp so long as 1 of 3 criteria are fulfilled: the spawn has multiple spread out exits, your team has a non-phlog pyro that knows how to airblast, or your team has enough common sense to stop walking out of spawn until both medic's ubers run out. 2 is common enough, 3 is a bit rarer, and if all 3 criteria fail to exist, being spawncamped by 2 medics is still easily the best situation with only one exit from spawn
the re labelling of the classes is something i've thought about extensively. I really like what you came up with
1. Be the only spy on your team
2. Get as many backstabs as possible in one life (no dead ringer, take your time and get as many different players on the enemy team as you can), long range revolver shots are also good as long as they know it was you
3. switch off after that one life
4. enjoy paranoid enemies while you play something else entirely
5. Switch back to spy if their paranoia eases down again
Meet the SUPREME PARANOIA
The Art of War, Sun Tzu
*"Oh come on guys, we do not need 5 fcking spies."*
We may not need to stack spies, but the funny demands it.
after 4 spies, it's probably more worth it for everyone to go spy simply because it is funny
@@mongodroid4842At that point you are gonna lose anyways so why not go all in.
Ah yes. That art of being a distraction. I still remember one time I was playing Blue Scout on Badwater 2nd and had made it into the backlines. To my surprised I bumped into a friendly Spy and after the traditional TF2 handshake of shooting each other a few times I looked at him and he looked at me and without a word I could tell we had the same idea. He hid in the corner as I pelted a backline heavy who saw an annoying scout hide around the corner in a dead end. Of course he came to get his free kill and just as he was about to shoot, from the darkness *STAB*. The whole thing was so perfect I still remember it to this day. I've never had anything quite as coordinated as that since though I still make sure to shoot at friendly disguised spies if I think he's trying to fool someone to better sell his disguise. The enemy team ignoring someone on my team is one of the biggest spy giveaways.
I once joined a game of swiftwater with eight spies. we got surprisingly far before half of the enemy team became pyros.
the teamwork while using spy is so good when the enemy centers in other guy while you're in right next to them
Once when I was spy with some other guy we had the best play possible. There was heavy-medic combo and there were 2 of us near, I went for heavy and other spy for medic and we killed them both at the same time. The best play I had as a spy
1:35 I almost thought you would make a "SOLDIER HAS A SHOTGUN" bit
Rename this to "Don't play Sniper"
That will solve half of the team comps here.
no it won't
you just have to outsmart the australians
the bot crisis has really changed people's opinions on the funny pee throwing australian huh
@@grimmsoul3096Lol, how? When the entire map is a sight line and he has near-perfect aim? I get the idea of this however. Stay out of sightlines, flank him, outplay him, and pressure his position. However all of those things are near impossible if he has a sentry gun or a teammate with him. Also he has a total of two items which invalidate spy and pyro (razorback + danger shield) I know spy has a gun but the backstab can be done instantly and you can guarantee that sniper's death. And you're going to have to move into his sightlines eventually to push up.
@@sqwimpy-4 you are overthinking my words, I don't meant normal human snipers, I meant the bozo robot snipers that ear rape chat and voice. also if you hate human snipers that much just don't play maps with very very open sight lines, like harvest. not saying I am a master on dealing with human snipers, just a tip
@@grimmsoul3096W U T
This is exactly why i stop playing spy as soon as theres another spy
I don't know why but always when I play I'll see there's no or one spy and go "oh I can play my main" only to look at my team after like one or two lives and go "when tf did 3 other guys change to spy!"
It aggravates me to no end when there is a sentry nest keeping my team from advancing and someone in either chat or on mic says "We need a spy to take out that sentry nest." Cue four people switching to spy. Meanwhile I, a medic main, sits and weeps as that includes my team's only demoman.
*If only every people that play TF2 could watch this.*
Meanwhile, getting spy in classwars
it's always frustrating seeing the 3 bottom scoring spies just walked past through me instead of helping as I got gangbanged by medic-heavy combo, a soldier and a scout
2:56 I play a lot of heavy and I constantly pepper people I see from across the map for this exact reason. People would rather turn around and backpedal (which also slows them down) to shoot at your abusable health pool than keep running, making it really easy for Spy players to pick them.
What I like about this the most is that as an Engie main, I always warn new players that he's really a Support labeled as a Defense class. Mentioning focus fire as a weakness is also accurate, as a sentry itself can get easily destroyed by a good scout.
Sniper has the same cascade effect too. No snipers? A good sniper picks sniper then kills the enemy, the enemy switches to sniper to counter aaaaand then that just happens until each team has a stupid amount of snipers.
sniper mitosis
5:32
What to do... ?
Spy: I know, visit your mother
Don't you just love when you're team is five spies, four snipers, two friendlies and you in the corner tryna play soldier...
I don't really play Spy a lot. The class always intrigued me but at the same time kind of intimidated me.
That said I absolutely /love/ helping out spies on my team by being a distraction. My favourite way to do it is to just shoot at them while they're disguised and in view of the enemy. It helps sell their disguise /so/ much more and while everyone coming to help is focused on you, the spy can easily take them out. Super satisfying when the Spy clocks in on what's happening as well.
7:18 Bing Soy?!
There's an alternate game mode called Class Wars, where each team is forced to stack one random class
Spy is the weakest class there. If you get Spy on Attack, you're highly encouraged to surrender
and the worst part, it makes actually learning spy hell because you load into a server going "I wanna play spy" and see 3 of your team are already playing spy and at the rock bottom of the scoreboard, there isn't anything worse than wanting to just chill and play you main and yet you can't find a server that will actually allow you to use it
bbbbut we always we when we have 12!
scout isn't a pick class, he can do much more than single target elimination
Pyro being power is debatable too, I view them as support more
@@dezgasting id say he is a hybrid
yeah, hybrid is what pyro is explicitly labeled here
i watched one of your older videos and this back to back and i gotta say , you've really improved drastically on the commentary . keep up the good work !
Another trick is to just not play spy for a few lives when the enemy team becomes paranoid, and then switch back to spy when they start to forget about the frenchman.
If i join a server and see there are two spies at the bottom of the scoreboard, I now know the enemy team is looking for bad spies. They're still not going to be ready for a real one.
1:36 Soldier lore.
Made me tear
At on point my team became 99% demo and the enemy pyro kicked our asses
I honestly thought this would be a video about swapping off Spy to learn about the other classes, but this is funny too
Not playing spy, is some playstyle... I am the best at it :)
"Dont stack spy" should be in the game in the class selection screen under spy
I was in a match recently where the enemy team was half spies, thing is, even with half of us going pyro the spies were coordinated enough to do fairly well, you turn around to attack one and another stabs you while you're distracted. Fun match.
Something I've noticed is when there is 1 good engie or sniper on the other team, then my team will suddenly have 4 spies to try to take care of that one person.
I had this game once where I was playing as spy on upward, the only spy, we make it to the tunnel between the 1st and 2nd point, there's a sentry in there.
Now normally this would be an easy fix, get an uber medic and destroy that thing, or a powerclass comes in after I sap it, but this is casual so the first option is probably better.
Instead of doing that my team decided we needed 3 extra spies in order to deal with that single sentry.
Opinion on the homewrecker's counterplay giving the anti-spy class the ability to counter the sapper better then the engineer himself?
And the worst part is the homewrecker liked by everybody except spies.
@@shmoking466I’ve only seen it 3 times and 2 of those times were as memes in mge but its still pretty punishing with little to no counterplay
@gekoh. ive seen it alot specially on payload. the better you are at spy the more homewreckers you'll see kinda like the razorback.
Ive just started watching your content, but I am loving it so far! Keep up the good work and I'm always pleasantly surprised to hear the OST of one of my favorite games ever (Mario & Luigi: Dream Team)!
i feel like he doesn"t want me to play spy
The matches are also more interesting to play if there's less spies (and snipers) and instead have a medic or two with damage classes and engineers in both teams.
It's those rare casual matches where you actually have to kinda try hard to win. Not aimlessly walk around and just get kills and ignore the gamemode's objective until it's time to push the cart etc.
Jontohil, can I just say that I love your vids? Because I love your vids. Actually making me like playing spy!
Pls help, my mouse automatically moves to spy when we already have 3. How do i fix?
Just sap your mouse. Should fix the problem
I sometimes try out spy and sometimes get this ultra instinct flow state feeling where I start doing mad backstab sprees and being a nuisance to the other team, where they become pyros and I become a french fry
THANK YOu, I switched my main role to "fill" so long ago because of this. I will not play spy if there is even 1 spy on my team, because I know that's a fast gateway to having 3-4. I've had games where I'm highest score in the lobby, 10 killstreak on spy, and then two people join my team and... also pick spy lol. Each time I switched off to a diff class when that happened, because I know what impact that's going to have on me and there's no chance they choose to switch. Not just this, but a semi-balanced team is needed to win, so being able to fill has been great (but also annoying when I go weeks without playing my fav class).
Unless it’s class wars, then you have no option but to stack spies
I love just making people paranoid even that distracts them
Love your TF2 vids :)
I don’t even play as spy that often. I just watch your videos cuz they are so well made and interesting! :D
Strategically speaking you would be correct, however psychology is a major factor in playing spy (and tf2 in general). If the team already has a spy stack then you are obliged to play around that. You will not change their behavior. One such play is being the sixth spy. For example, I had 5 spies on dustbowl, we've somehow capped first. We are getting clowned on after that, all the normal spies on our team were pretty much bottom of the scoreboard. So I went the sixth spy and backcapped them after red got overconfident spawncamping us.
The best skill in tf2 is knowing how to play around your team, and perhaps knowing how to psyche people out. Even the dumbest fresh player will occasionally get one over a veteran simply because they are doing something the veteran(s) cannot fathom. It's like the equivalent of button mashing in fighting games.
I like that you talked about team roles, idk, I just find talk about that fun.
Love your videos, dude!
I genuinely wish the sapper was actually useful as a way to contribute to the team even when the enemy team's paranoia is so high that you can't get stabs or even revolver picks, because even as the only Spy, there are a lot of off-moments like those where you just can't do anything.
The fact this video has needed to be made says a lot about the hivemind of your typical casual tf2 gamers
Spy is bad to stack. He doesn’t even have a gun!
don't play spy
- every engineer/heavy mains
the only time I fell for a spy disguise recently was because my teammates were goofing off standing and looking at me before running off so when I saw a demoman just standing there watching me it didnt feel out of the ordinary but something felt a bit off. When I walked by, instant stab.
a reason why he doesent only play spy on streams*
nice vid :3
I think the funniest spy moment I had was in the last scream fortress event on a payload map I don't remember but we were on offense and we were losing bad, so I joked and said we should all go spy, we did, the enemy were just so damn confused, we had Dead Ringers as the front lines, gun spys taking pot shots from afar while we had 3 spies rotating for back stabs, we won
You know sometimes it can be fun being the distracting soldier that helps your friendly spy get 3 backstabs in a row.
I remember sussing out *_2_* spies trying to stab me in Swiftwater last while I was defending as a heavy, but then comes the third spy who manages to backstab me because I had to focus my attention on the other two before I realized there was a third lol
I love when this man makes a fantastic video to help players get better at a skilled class, but on the other hand, now 4 people will probably try to do this all telling each other to switch.
But good video 👍
From this, i learned to always stack spy. You make a french revolution with 3 or more.
You know it’s gonna be a good day when @Jontohill2 uploads
i love comic the refrence during the airblast clip.
Just wanna mention that the roles of each class have a lot of nuance and this is a short summary ignoring a lot of other game-changing weapons and styles
That aside, I really like how you worded this guide and made it interesting
I like what you did there at the start with the *
heavy should be support overlapped since he throws sandviches to medics keeping medics alive
Yay, à new video 😁 you made my day
Tip: every spy disguise as every individual from the enemy team. Now there are 10 more blue than normal.
Also is really funny to suddenly change classes for a minute just to make then lose the paranoia
i think something important to note is that when theres a pybro on the other team, then it is going to be HARD to get close to an engineer's buildings. speaking from expirience (from the pybro side. like litterally. yall arent getting in just because i decided to switch my secondary. il going to come back and spycheck and still burn you.)
tips for pybros: cloaked spies distort the air a little bit around them, and once you develop the habbit of looking for that slight change, it is REALLY easy to reconize if theres a cloaked spy there.
This was really helpful!
Got it, I should always play spy whenever there's already 2 or more on my team
Not content related but hearing Harvest Festival from Animal Crossing makes me happy :)
The best example of pairing is Spy, Backburner Pyro, and Back Scatter Scout, to an extent.
While a team is focused on one, the other can flank in and get the kill. There isn’t an easy way to protect your back if there’s a player in front of you and another behind you.
I also think playing Backburner or Back Scatter instead of Spy (even if there’s two spies) is decently helpful, as both Pyro and Scout are much more distracting and noisy, while still fulfilling the same Pick role. Plus, both have other items and abilities in their kit that let them perform in ways that Spy can’t.
Pyro can airblast to disrupt a team, or fly in from an unexpected angle with the Thermal Thruster.
Scout can double jump to take routes that Spy can’t, letting him appear at a much different time than a Spy. Bonk also works as an amazing distraction tool, as you have an on-demand uber that distracts the enemy team, including sentries. Imagine if a Spy could just decloak and be invincible at any time.
I swear I will start playing spy, topscore, then have to switch off bc now three more spies are running around
Bruh
You are always use best music for your videos!
I was just in a game where my entire team was spy, it was the most hilarious nonsense ever!
pov france
Really good music choices
Swear one thing newer players do subconsciously is look at what kind of kills are showing up in the feed, or what classes are top of the board (except medic) and pick that class. They frequently see Ambassador Dr. Kunai getting his trick stabs and chain stabs and think "wow i can do that" so they switch without realizing what's getting the spy those kills.
Every time I go spy when we have none, get uber picks, dismanrle engineer nests or get a chain stab of... two, more people hop on spy and naturally make things harder for everyone.
"Don't play spy" Well said. Well said.
I wouldn't really call pyro a "power" class, but he's definitely a support class.
Whenever I join a server there's always either none or 3. And like a shitton on the enemy team
spy tutorial:
go into a wall/corner
spam Q to switch items from sapper to knife (or revolver i dont remember)
win the game immediatelly
awsome, now we need to show this video to everyone who plays spy in mvm!
idk man those revolvers look really attractive they can pick enemies if there is more than 4 focusing 1 without ever being concerned with getting spotted lol
Thank you Josh Hutcherson for this helpful information
"don't play spy when there's too any"-literally the entire video in the first second
I think solly is the only class that can be stacked to 12 and still work, they got everything they need even banners for healing, damage and resistance, high mobility and 2 damage types.
now i know he said don't stack spy... but what if we did it anyways