Vintage JBL N2400, D130 and 075 rebuild with massive speaker cabinets!

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  • Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
  • This video shows a pair of massive vintage 15" JBL speakers that use the legendary D130 woofer, 075 tweeter, and the N2400 crossover. I'm showing you how I rebuilt the crossover and the before and after audio measurement results.
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  • @alexw890
    @alexw890 2 роки тому +1

    I have a fully rebuilt pair of these. I also ended up making my own version with slightly different values in order to flatten the frequency response. The stock crossover gave a response that was peaked in the middle with the highs and lows rolling off. I also removed the potentiometers. Next I’m gonna try putting a second order filter on the tweeter.

    • @JoyeMusiccom
      @JoyeMusiccom  2 роки тому

      Yeah, my customer was too "originalist" for me to modify the XO. Tweeter DEFINITELY should have 2nd-order to keep bass out. And most 1960's equipment was too strong in the midrange relative to bass, so I agree on that too.

  • @briansilcox5720
    @briansilcox5720 2 роки тому

    I built a set of 030 clones in 1974, ran them until last year when I bought components for an L300 clone. Still have the D130s and N2400s, keeping in mind for another system. Crossover really makes a difference!

    • @JoyeMusiccom
      @JoyeMusiccom  2 роки тому

      Yep, crossover does matter. I would have liked to go to air-core inductors, but upsizing them by ~2x made a big difference too, along with higher quality capacitors.

  • @keithroberts844
    @keithroberts844 Рік тому

    A great amount of information! I recapped a 1950s JBL N1200 out of my JBL C40 Harkness Lowboy with the 130A Woofer and 175DLH horn using polypropylene capacitors. I am picking up a 1960s JBL C34 with the N2400 Crossover, the D130 Woofer, and the 075 tweeter so this information will be very useful. Thanks much! :-)

    • @JoyeMusiccom
      @JoyeMusiccom  Рік тому +2

      Yeah, and the original crossover inductors are pretty disappointingly small. Definitely worth changing those to air-core (remember to keep them perpendicular to each other and as far apart as possible so they don't cross couple). If I wasn't trying to keep it fairly original, I would DEFINITELY put the tweeter on a 12-dB per octave slope. The simple capacitor to the tweeter just isn't enough to keep big woofer tones away.

  • @lucaspowell2417
    @lucaspowell2417 Рік тому

    Hi Colin, this is a very helpful video. I have a pair of these speakers and am looking at rebuilding the crossovers. I'm teaching myself how to read wiring diagrams. But I'm far from making/designing my own. I really like the idea of removing the l-pads, I'm surprised other info I've found on N2400 crossover rebuilds are replacing them or keeping them. Could I trouble you for a crossover diagram of your ideal build for these, without the l-pads and with the added capacitor for the tweeter you mention in the comments? I would gladly pay you for the trouble.

    • @JoyeMusiccom
      @JoyeMusiccom  Рік тому

      Lucas, send me an email at colin.joyemusic@gmail.com and I'll see what I can do.

  • @kfl611
    @kfl611 2 роки тому

    I have speakers very similar to these, mine don't need much power to play super loud. I moved them in my car (4 door) once, and had to take my car door off to get them in the car. ha ha ha. I put the door back on before I drove off. I also tested them one time with a small hand held radio and they played nice and loud on what must have been a portion of a watt. I had them hooked up to McIntosh 30 watt tube amps. And I will never get rid of my wonderful JBL early 1960's speakers.

    • @JoyeMusiccom
      @JoyeMusiccom  2 роки тому +1

      Oh yeah, those don't take any power at all to drive! Funny taking the car door off!!

  • @kfl611
    @kfl611 2 роки тому

    Thanks for posting this video.

  • @daleolnick4617
    @daleolnick4617 2 роки тому

    i have had my 030's since 1974...still sound great. Paid $800.00 Canadian from Western Sound in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

  • @daleolnick4617
    @daleolnick4617 2 роки тому

    I can't say I saw it for myself although I was told last time Supertramp toured Winnipeg they had 64 030's as a PA system. My two would blow the ears out of 500 people in a hall with a SAE 2400L power amp. 200 watts at 8 OHMS. I was told 030's worked efficiently at about 64 WPC @ 8 OHMS. Anyway the JBL's are happy in my basement on our dance floor.

  • @matthewsek5228
    @matthewsek5228 Рік тому

    Forgive me, I’m just an electrician. I made myself some “working drawings” of what your electrical schematic shows me ‘I think’
    Is there a way I can enclose picture to show you what I drew?

    • @JoyeMusiccom
      @JoyeMusiccom  Рік тому

      You can email me at colin.joyemusic@gmail.com .

  • @tombagshaw2311
    @tombagshaw2311 Місяць тому

    The L-pad adjusts the mix of the tweeter with the D-130. You can't EQ this, EQ is tone not volume. The L-pad adjusts the volume of the 075...

  • @matthewsek5228
    @matthewsek5228 Рік тому

    I’d love to pick your brain about where you got your caps and parts. I have this exact set up and would like to copy cat what you’ve done here.

    • @JoyeMusiccom
      @JoyeMusiccom  Рік тому +1

      It's your lucky day -- I found the link: theelectronicgoldmine.com/collections/mylar-film-caps/products/g24704 . I try to stock up on awesome finds like this. In fact, they have several mylar film caps for really good prices that I would stock up on: theelectronicgoldmine.com/collections/mylar-film-caps . Not sure where I got the resistors, but they should be easy to find. The inductors were probably from Digikey, but I would go the extra mile and buy air-core inductors. They are larger but worth it.

    • @matthewsek5228
      @matthewsek5228 Рік тому

      @@JoyeMusiccom thank you!
      Should be a no brainer getting my hands on the caps and resistors.
      I’m just curious about the inductor. There are many different 1 MH inductor a with various Ma ratings, what rating would you use or what was the one you used for this project. I’m going to copy cat you.

  • @anthonyrippo1223
    @anthonyrippo1223 Рік тому

    How do you bypass the l pad? Just cut it out?

    • @JoyeMusiccom
      @JoyeMusiccom  Рік тому +1

      Sort of.... i pulled it out and re-wired it so the central lead went to the middle point between the two 5-ohm resistors. Effectively, this sets the tweeter to the max level. The tweeter was way to quiet anyway, so the max setting was just about right.

  • @beatleme2
    @beatleme2 2 роки тому

    Smaller cap size vs the bigger org cap size - to me the bigger the cap is always better, love the vintage "looks" and would have stuffed the new cap into the old cap cover, to make them look original if modified - I would sell the vintage caps on eBay, hope you didn't throw them away :(... I can't/couldn't see myself doing that, after being around so long.

    • @JoyeMusiccom
      @JoyeMusiccom  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah, I've put new caps in older cans before, but these caps are backfilled with epoxy, so it would have been a real mess getting them apart and wasn't worth the time. I did keep them, however. I probably should put them on Ebay for the collector.

    • @beatleme2
      @beatleme2 2 роки тому

      @@JoyeMusiccom If you do list them let me know, and I'd bid, I made a klipsch style board using new caps, like you but using a systematic based on the D130 075
      like you, the tweeter controller isn't needed.
      But using the real JBL caps, would be cool,on a new board to trade in/out like vintage 12ax7 tubes…for maybe a diff sound-is my idea...or if you make these they'd sell for more also, than just the caps, and I'd still bid
      But yeah ;:*) Cool, love this stuff

    • @JoyeMusiccom
      @JoyeMusiccom  2 роки тому

      @@beatleme2 Contact me at colin.joyemusic@gmail.com -- I'll send you a photo and test results of the parts (I have the original caps and inductors-- somewhere). I have tons of other antique parts, audio equipment, speakers, 1960's stereo consoles, etc. I'm also a tube collector -- I have a PhD in vacuum tubes (EE actually) from MIT. Just let me know if you're looking for anything in particular. I need to start cataloguing stuff on my website for sale.

  • @ScottGrammer
    @ScottGrammer Рік тому

    If you disagree with the design of a classic JBL crossover, take it out and sell it to someone who likes it. Don't butcher it. Replace the caps? Sure. Rip out the L-pad without replacing it with a good one, like the ones made by Eminence? Nope. Replace a perfectly good inductor (it's not a transformer)? Nope. Just sell the whole thing and let someone else enjoy it.