Interesting to see the way the locomotive gradually developed. For something so complex, it really wasn't that long a journey from Trevithick's experiments until the "Planet."
I've watched these all to date, and they are commendably presented and researched! You edit these well and find such fascinating subjects! Have you thought about doing one on Timothy Hackworth's 'Royal George'?
The Triang-Hornby tender drive system came from the German Fleischman company. In fact the early higher quality tender drive mechanism were purchased from Fleischman. With seventies inflation and a weakening value of the pound the Rovex Margate company developed their own copy of the Fleischman drive system with lots of cost cutting ideas lowering quality in the Hornby Silver Seal drives later on.
@@obelic71hornby likely liften the idea from scratch builders and commercialised it. As per all these fancy things in vogue now like directional lights and fine etched grills and working lamps... all things people did for themselves first then the people who buy things rather than make them want that and hornby et al step in to provide for those who won't or can't do it for themselves. Then those people complain it isn't perfect. It's a beautiful progression to watch in real time.
@@Samstrainsofficially Technology also advanced alot, so you could argue are modeltrains still a toy? f.e. my old Trix express HO starterkit i got as a kid in the 70's had an all metal few details BR89 with a bulky motor and worm gear in it. Modern N scale locomotives have flexibel power take of shafts who make it possible to lower the construction height of the model. It is even possible today to have actual working power bogies in a model like in the real locomotive/DMU/EMU.
As ever a fantastic production Mr Dawson. Thank you so much for doing this series. I find it amazing as to just how much information is still extant for these magnificent machines. Thank you many times over.
@@eliotreader8220 In the case of the Stockton & Darlington, they burned whatever came up from the mine. Welsh Steam Coal was only begun to be exploited from the 1830s onwards really. Whilst it was the best, because it is a dry coal with very few impurities and is close to being pure carbon, each railway company would have used whatever coal was the best for steam raising within its territory. So the Great Western burned Welsh Steam coal and designed its fireboxes to suit; the Great Northern used coal from Yorkshire and had different shaped fireboxes as a result. Lines in Scotland burned Scottish coal. But of course, from 1830 to about 1860 the railways were burning Coke not Coal because it was a smokeless fuel and the technology to burn coal and prevent smoke had not been invented yet.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory In 2021 I learned a wonderful story about Loco 1 apparently two or three possibly teenage boys helped out the engineering team from New castle to bring her to life for the first time by collecting water to fill up the boiler from a nearby stream or river. I understand that as a reward for their toil they was allowed to have a ride in the tender by the driver or person in charge of the boiler. the story wasn't discovered until the 1890s I believe and appeared as a news paper story.
Pretty certain that the replica from beamish is now on display in the nrm at shildon as it's too worn out to realistically put back into service. I'm sure somebody who knows different will try to correct but that's what I was told last time I saw it 😁
@@nicholas2198 Yeah. Its the one at Shildon and it's yeah. Needs work and a lot of money. Not done bad considering its 40+ years old and lasted twice as long and a bit more than the original.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory i have read in steam railway magazine that the owners of the recreated Locomotion are trying to get the money together so that she can be repaired in time to mark 200 years since the opening of the railway and there is a on going battle for the original locomotion
@@eliotreader8220 The original locomotive is owned by the National Railway Museum, so it's not really a "battle". the NRM want it as part of a new, enlarged museum at Shildon and to based all their Stockton & Darlington artefacts there. Afterall, its from where the first train on the S&D departed and where its engineering base was.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory do you think that the original Locomotion gave value for money because she clearly had a long working life and should we feel greatful that the Stockton and Darlington did not scrap her if her life story is anything to go by?
Ngl, I thought you were going to show us how locomotive worked, ya know, fire heating water in the boiler up that causes the steam to go into a piston and moves the wheels, yada yada, but no, you talked about a locomotive *named* locomotion. I didn’t expect that at all lol.
The boiler didn't explode - the fire tube collapsed. There were quite a few boiler or at least flue tube explosions due to enginemen tying down the safety valve. One can understand the temptation to get a bit more power out of the engine, but.... incredibly dangerous.
That bad pun right at the end is amazing 😂
*bows* thank you :D
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I'm going to have to credit you for having powerslided that pun without breaking your vocal stride.
I just love how I was just thinking of Locomotion randomly and this comes up in my sub box, love it
Interesting ad usual and with a nice end!
Somewhere, wales.
Interesting to see the way the locomotive gradually developed. For something so complex, it really wasn't that long a journey from Trevithick's experiments until the "Planet."
I've watched these all to date, and they are commendably presented and researched! You edit these well and find such fascinating subjects!
Have you thought about doing one on Timothy Hackworth's 'Royal George'?
Thank you so much! one is in the pipeline, yes. Along with a special episde on the Rainhill Trials.
in 4 years, she would be 200 years old.
"Propelled by a motor in the tender"..... now we know where Triang - Hornby gleaned their ideas for tender drive models from!!
Most modeltrain brands stole that idea from Hornby then 😉
The 1/87 1/160 scale models are often also tender driven.
The Triang-Hornby tender drive system came from the German Fleischman company.
In fact the early higher quality tender drive mechanism were purchased from Fleischman.
With seventies inflation and a weakening value of the pound the Rovex Margate company developed their own copy of the Fleischman drive system with lots of cost cutting ideas lowering quality in the Hornby Silver Seal drives later on.
@@obelic71hornby likely liften the idea from scratch builders and commercialised it. As per all these fancy things in vogue now like directional lights and fine etched grills and working lamps... all things people did for themselves first then the people who buy things rather than make them want that and hornby et al step in to provide for those who won't or can't do it for themselves. Then those people complain it isn't perfect. It's a beautiful progression to watch in real time.
@@Samstrainsofficially Technology also advanced alot, so you could argue are modeltrains still a toy?
f.e. my old Trix express HO starterkit i got as a kid in the 70's had an all metal few details BR89 with a bulky motor and worm gear in it.
Modern N scale locomotives have flexibel power take of shafts who make it possible to lower the construction height of the model.
It is even possible today to have actual working power bogies in a model like in the real locomotive/DMU/EMU.
As ever a fantastic production Mr Dawson. Thank you so much for doing this series. I find it amazing as to just how much information is still extant for these magnificent machines. Thank you many times over.
My pleasure!
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory where would the railway company have got their steam coal from? I don't think they would have got it from a local coal mine?
@@eliotreader8220 In the case of the Stockton & Darlington, they burned whatever came up from the mine. Welsh Steam Coal was only begun to be exploited from the 1830s onwards really. Whilst it was the best, because it is a dry coal with very few impurities and is close to being pure carbon, each railway company would have used whatever coal was the best for steam raising within its territory. So the Great Western burned Welsh Steam coal and designed its fireboxes to suit; the Great Northern used coal from Yorkshire and had different shaped fireboxes as a result. Lines in Scotland burned Scottish coal. But of course, from 1830 to about 1860 the railways were burning Coke not Coal because it was a smokeless fuel and the technology to burn coal and prevent smoke had not been invented yet.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory In 2021 I learned a wonderful story about Loco 1
apparently two or three possibly teenage boys
helped out the engineering team from New castle to bring her to life for the first time by collecting water to fill up the boiler from a nearby stream or river. I understand that as a reward for their toil they was allowed to have a ride in the tender by the driver or person in charge of the boiler.
the story wasn't discovered until the 1890s I believe and appeared as a news paper story.
I got my Hornby model of it recently . very pleased
Damn a number one engine and also called locomotion? This truly was a perfect fit
the timing of the valve on the rear cylinder is and I quote "....Lumpy"
Matches the running of the Hornby model then!??
What of the working replica of Locomotion at the Beamish Museum? Shown even in several images by your good self here.
Pretty certain that the replica from beamish is now on display in the nrm at shildon as it's too worn out to realistically put back into service. I'm sure somebody who knows different will try to correct but that's what I was told last time I saw it 😁
@@nicholas2198 Yeah. Its the one at Shildon and it's yeah. Needs work and a lot of money. Not done bad considering its 40+ years old and lasted twice as long and a bit more than the original.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory i have read in steam railway magazine that the owners of the recreated Locomotion are trying to get the money together so that she can be repaired in time to mark 200 years since the opening of the railway and there is a on going battle for the original locomotion
@@eliotreader8220 The original locomotive is owned by the National Railway Museum, so it's not really a "battle". the NRM want it as part of a new, enlarged museum at Shildon and to based all their Stockton & Darlington artefacts there. Afterall, its from where the first train on the S&D departed and where its engineering base was.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory do you think that the original Locomotion gave value for money because she clearly had a long working life and should we feel greatful that the Stockton and Darlington did not scrap her if her life story is anything to go by?
I wonder if the replica can be recommissioned for the 200th anniversary?
Locomotion is still a better number one engine than thomas the tank engine will ever be
People troll Thomas the Tank Engine?
along with Derwent it was stored in the 'gunbarrel shed' at Wolsingham during ww2
If it wasn't for UMG, I know that you'd end the video with the music playing Anthony! XD
YEP!! everyone loves a bit of Kylie.
It's hard to imagine Locomotion on six wheels, unless it was "rebuilt" as a completely new engine in Hackworth's usual style.
It was rebuilt on six wheels but retained vertical cylinders in the boiler. NOS 2 and 3 had outside incline cylinders so much more dramatic.
How about Hedley.......
Ngl, I thought you were going to show us how locomotive worked, ya know, fire heating water in the boiler up that causes the steam to go into a piston and moves the wheels, yada yada, but no, you talked about a locomotive *named* locomotion. I didn’t expect that at all lol.
way was it named after this steam engine
Oh, the irony. Locomotion's boiler explosion in 1828 sounds an awful lot like what happened across the Atlantic with the Best Friend of Charleston!!
The boiler didn't explode - the fire tube collapsed. There were quite a few boiler or at least flue tube explosions due to enginemen tying down the safety valve. One can understand the temptation to get a bit more power out of the engine, but.... incredibly dangerous.
Richard TreviTHICK looks like Ricardo Milos but, Mentlegen