In isolation I agree with him it’s a reach, but the issue is that Hollywood types and woke Twitter believes these character traits = gay. It’s the same problem with the American Society movie that just got released. Black people aren’t the only ones with anxiety. That’s not a racial thing. They might be anxious over different things, but it’s not unique to a particular group of people. That’s something that should bring people together because we all experience it. This is the same reason a large portion of the internet wants Elsa in Frozen to be gay as if she can’t just be an introverted woman. These types of people don’t think that Phoebe is introverted and socially awkward because she tends to let her negative thoughts and self-image dictate how she interacts with people or that she is just more interested in science than friendships. Nope, she has to have these personality traits because she’s in the closet.
That's because she's using Phoebe and doesn't want anyone around to risk calling her out and getting caught for what she is. It's a manipulation tactic.
@@lordlouixwoke exists. It's been happening quite frequently. But the problem with being put on edge is that it can lead to jerky knees The key is to look at what is being said instead of reading into things. I had soneone tell me I was crazy for pointing out wokeness in Black Panther when I was literally quoting the script. If soneone can show me wokeness in the script of Frozen Empire I'm willing to listen
Except the director admitted the romantic interest storyline publicly. So it has been confirmed. Whether being a lesbian is woke or not is sn entirely separate conversation.
@@tigerking8165Culture grows his hair for a charity I believe. Unless the stream recently when they said it it was joke and it went over my head, which is entirely possible ☺️
I agree, he's soo WRONG on this and we're NOT feeding into anything, all Clobby/SIX/Culture/Price were doing was honestly calling out what they were picking up on from the way those two characters were written in the movie; it was completely QUEER CODED.
Lol yeh, it's called "Queer-Coded" the acolyte showrunner Leslie Headland use the term, this is what all these young gen writers in Hollywood are starting to do now when it comes to young, teenage characters. You're right, Tom's love of Ghostbusters and the animated series has blinded him to what they did with the Phoebe character here, he's in total denial.
Tom called them out though. Screaming woke or gay at everything is damaging our society and it is catering to the crazy weirdos out there. Let's not forget that the bad criticism of this movie came from the shills who enjoyed the REAL woke, girl boss, shitty race swapped stupid 2016 one. So if you didn't like this movie, you should think twice or more what kind of things you wanna see or enjoy...
I roll my eyes every time trailers use the slowed dramatic remix of songs. I almost clicked off it... but it's Beetlejuice right? Seems like nothing new or justifying of a sequel. I would've rather they did the Hawaiian thing. At least that would've been something new.
I'm starting to get real tired of that style too, it's like they're trying way too hard to play on our nostalgia. I love Michael Keaton, loved his return in Flash, but i gotta say the trailer for this Beetlejuice 2 sequel just feels like it is going to just be another "the force awakens" style rehash. None of us want that! Why don't they focus on a new setting? Delve more into the world of the dead and create a new and original story that's set purely there, and where it's actually Beetlejuice who needs the "living" help for once. they should go through all those different crooked doors, that can lead to allkinds of wacky, weird dimensions. Feels like this needed to be co-written by both Burton but in collaboration with someone like Gillermo Del torro, with Del torro on directing duties this time; bring his quirky, creative style to it would help i think. But you're right here, this isn't gonna be anything new at all. Hollywood just don't get it do they. hese classics are too frickin old for this gen-x/z generation to be remotely interested in them or even get their appeal; and for us older fans, we're even past nostalgia now, we want the return of Legends, but in ALL NEW and ORIGINAL Stories!! to build from and *Expand* on that classic thing.
Sigh, reading into things that just aren't there. That is what society has done to us, hunting out context that isn't even there. This is how the woke cult wins and you're falling into that trap. It's not too late to get out.
@@gokauryjust because YOU don’t know about it, does not mean it doesn’t exist. It doesn’t matter if you are aware of it, it’s there for the people that do. Whether you believe it or not we live in a “John wick” world where there are 2 parallel societies. That sort of messaging is not for “normies” like you.
Boxes were checked, but I don't think it was done subtly or even with intent. Was it intentionally woke when the Real Ghostbusters traveled to Japan, Paris, or Siberia? New Orleans, Detroit, Tombstone? How about when they faced off against ghosts brought to New York from Africa, Alaska, Ireland... New York is a great setting for the story because people from all over the world come to the city. It allows for natural diversity without that word being a dog whistle for critical theory bs
Yeh, just like Tom. i'm a massive, passionate *Star Wars* fan, i love the prequels as much as the originals, but i won't ever accept anything served up to me; i will ALWAYS call out a thing i love if iterations of it are not of that high quality. Loved Mandalorian Seasons 1&2 but Season 3 really dropped the ball and i called it out.
You know they shot this movie in England, where they built a replica Firehouse and exterior street. I don’t think Rick would have come all that way for a cameo. The guy has pretty much washed his hands with that kind of nonsense.
No I'm gonna have to say the whole thing with Phoebe and melody felt more like the autism in Phoebe trying to make friends with someone, it sort of reminds me of me when I try to be sociable with anyone. Oh I do agree that the closeness in the ghost scene is a little too uncomfortable but again i chucked that up to just human frailty sticking around in the ghost form. As for melody using Phoebe my guesses that she didn't want to but because the boss ghost of the movie was controlling her, That's what I can say.
I definitely picked up on the gay insinuations between the two. Trevor continually gets wasted which is a shame given the whole “they dress up like Ghostbusters” in _Stranger Things_ and playing, of all characters, Richy Tozier in _It_ who was the funny one of the group. Saw it a few hours ago today, and I’m actually failing to remember a lot of the things that happened in it. I like it a bit better than the previous one but that’s a bit of a low bar. If you took the latter portion of this and attached it to the early majority of the previous, you could have a decent movie. But the first of this and the latter of other are just so shameful in trying to prove its familiarity with the franchise with all the references and callbacks that it’s shameful bordering on cringeworthy. At one point I half expected to see the Scoleri Brothers pop up for a quick cameo. I personally thought Peck was going to follow in the Videogame’s footsteps and be head of PCOC since the time skip between films has made them a normal sight like after each Getting-Famous-Montage of the originals did. I certainly wasn’t expecting him to be mayor especially if he’s still so antagonistic towards the company. Surely something could have been better established in the world much like the game did. For all the time spent trying to world-build this return to form (particularly after the whole _Answer the Call_ debacle) a lot needed to be answered for especially for all the new characters and assets: Is Podcast an actual member of the new team like Lucky seems to be at the R&D facility? What’s the dynamic of everyone from Oklahoma uprooting to Manhattan? Do Ray and Peter actually work for Ghostbusters or are they legacy reserves/PRN contractors? Is Trevor an adult now; I was a little confused?🤔 How and when does the mother suddenly care so much about her father’s company he cofounded given her attitudes towards it and non-family issues which still persist in this film? When did Lucky have engineering skills or is she just a grunt who points and aims a weapon during experimental target practices? Are they paid by Winston or do they bill the city? If Winston is paying them, does he recupe his expenses by billing someone since ghostbusting is serious enough that Mayor Wally Wick allows them to operate as far as they can get without causing some incident that allows him to unleash the ban hammer like he so desperately wants to? If there are issues about Trevor’s, and especially Phoebe’s, ages in being active ghostbusters, why have no other staff been hired? Kinda hard to believe that Gary is the only fan of the old team who’d eagerly operate on the new team especially once the company was back in Manhattan where it all began. At least _Extreme Ghostbusters_ was formed by a team 75% of which had any familiarity and/or appreciation for either the paranormal or the Ghostbusters which lead them to becoming the new team. How have the family not developed any teamwork dynamic for when they go out on a call that they bicker amongst themselves or don’t know how much of anything works? At least the other films addressed some form of training or field testing. The villain is actually unremarkable. Out of the 4 film villains (and I had to go look up his name it’s just not imprinting on me) Garraka is not that great. Executions aside, the villains were always driving the plot. Gozer is coming and sends its minions to pick targets as it’s summoned to New York or that other outlet. Vigo is actually active in his machinations even getting more presence and influence as his powers grow extending his reach. And Rowan, despite being a stereotypical incel, has planned out each of his steps and is directly tied to every encounter the ladies face. Horn Dude just spends his time locked in a ball while everyone slowly talks about him until some other ghost takes the slow path to positioning him to where he can have any active agency to advance in his goal. How lucky is he that Phoebe actually became curious to know what being a ghost was like or that there was even a machine that could allow her to leave her body to simulate it while being still attached to her body to puppet it? Or that the guy who inherited his prison was that much of a schmuck that it would go to the one place that would lead him to this machine? Gozer just comes wherever per some schedule or is summoned. Vigo is waiting in his painting and can muster emotions anywhere into slime to feed off until he can psychically affect matter for his purposes and posses people as his servants. Rowan goes and makes things happen designing his machines and strategically placing them about the city. Gary-chacka just gets dumb luck. And when exactly did he meet Melody that she became his spy? The new equipment wasn’t interesting either. I’ve got my Afterlife pack plus rifle (AND the ‘84 model!) and the 1:1 Spirit Pack so I’m good as far as that goes and I’m not interested in collecting or backing any projects to recreate the Frozen Empire equipment which I’m not sure what all they do differently other than maybe the wrist gun which is more a matter of ergonomics…🙄 The two best are the original films from the ‘80’s but this one was at least something of a casual watch and easier to get any entertainment from.🫤 *B-*
I remember most everything about the movie. And this was with me turning off my brain. I enjoyed the ride. 8/10. Sigh, some people will never be placated. Woke culture has now wired our brains to seek out context that is not even there. They still win this way. Don't let them.
@@gokaury So the only way to enjoy this is don’t think? _”Don’t ask questions! Just consume product and then get ready for next product!” -Nerd Crew._ I shouldn’t have to go out of my way to make a movie work; it should be self-sufficient. And it’s not that hard for someone to see the undertone of Phoebe crushing on Melody. There probably was none sure, but the vibes just came natural the way it came across. I’m not accusing, but damn does it seem like a strong theory there was originally going to be.
I liked Afterlife it had heart, this one felt convoluted and that ghost girl was frickin annoying, Phoebe was definitely queer-coded i picked up on her and ghost girl's interactions too. Tom is just in pure denial here.
@@RaikenXion I’d be more forgiving and say Tom was cross-arguing with the girls. They were saying how there’s all the signs of one lingering in the film final but he was losing his shit over how one didn’t actually happen missing the point they were making. They laid out the track, and the characters walked along it, but they didn’t continue to the finish line so were they really in the race?
@@MichaelAarons1701 I think the set up was intentionally there to make Phoebe queer-coded, the scenes of them together are always intimate, but if it was written as them being purely "Friends", the set up and tone would be quite different, ghost girl would not be all offish, she would establish that she needs help with something, regards her situation; and it would not involve Phoebe ending up willingly putting herself inside that device thing to basically turn herself into a ghost. I think the writers definitely wanted her to lean toward the gay meter, but i think they were also well aware of other recent movies like Strange World, Lightyear thor love & thunder and the marvels; how all those went down overall with the mainstream audience. So because of how much Frozen Empire had been pushed back, they had plenty of time to change it up; or maybe they just always originally intended to go for the subtle "queer-coded" route, thinking it would go right over most the normie audience just like it did tom. the question is, HOW exactly do you provide this "Representation" for lgbtq audience in big, huge popular mainstream franchise movies? When the lgbtq community are purely defined only by their sexual identity and preference. How do you introduce a gay or trans character into such big movies and have it go down smooth where your overall audience are just fine with it; basically where it doesn't feel awkward or stop the whole movie? How to bring in such lgbtq characters but not even make anykind of big deal about the fact they are lgbtq lol. It's like somekind of catch-22 or paradox. this is why i just think maybe Hollywood should simply start doing Exactly what tyler perry does. He is a movie producer, with his own studio and everything, and he basically rips off, often draws much inspiration from big, popular movies and genres, and makes his own comedic take on those things, aimed specifically for the Black Audience. He's not my cup of tea, but i can understand and appreciate what he does. Maybe Hollywood should do this same thing, make movies specifically for and all about lgbtq people. So romance, horror, even sci fi, superhero, i remember hearing about a Gay superhero called the Midnighter i think. It's very interesting how neither Marvel or DC have made a live-action movie about that particular superhero, considering they keep pandering to lgbtq audiences; that in of itself would be actually genuinely giving lgbtq people Representation, atleast in the Superhero genre. At end of the day it's all a *Agenda* that Hollywood is pushing, and mainstream normies are all beginning to see right through it. I do often wonder though, exactly how many Lgbtq people only care about just getting that diversity/representation pushed into everything, no matter how heavy-handed, or slyly it is done, as long as it's there; then they don't even watch the very things where it's been pushed into. Compared to the ones in the Lgbtq community that actually care about just Genuine Representation? 🤔
I enjoyed it and thought it was pure wholesome fun. My criticism is it needed more of the villain and characterization between the og gb and new team. Despite that I enjoyed it alot and would recommend others to see. I feel with the new series of the Ghostbusters they are working to find their footing. I would say they would need a stronger writer that can improve on things including balancing nostigla. Personally I feel Ghostbusters in the long run would work as a series on Netflix or elsewhere for more developing of storytelling, characterization and the villians, and etc.
If that gay element comes out, fully, in the next film? That film will die. The franchise will die. Most of us, I think, are SICK of these Hollywood leftists shoe-horning their agenda into everything. Leave it OUT of this one. Please! Afterlife was precious. I’m seeing this one tonight. I’m hopeful.
What a depressing disappointment. I knew the film would be bad the moment I heard that Gil Kenan and Jason Reitman were back on writing duty. I thought they did a horrible job with Ghostbusters Afterlife.
It wasn't bad but it might need a director cut it tried to squeeze too much into a 2hr movie 🍿 or it should of been a Netflix series so they could stretch it out with all the characters
When i looked it up was another director i hadn't heard of before. I think if it was Jason Reitman again this movie would have turned out much better and he would have absolutely Developed the Phoebe character.
I'm going to keep putting this put there, because I want it to happen: I hope Walter Peck has the proton packs and traps he had confiscated from the firehouse reverse engineered and that he commission's his own squad of government Ghostbusters to act as a rival team/ try to put Winston's crew out of business. That would be a great sequel.
Plz don't give them ideas because what if they make it where Peck does more than that; what if he actually has a research division set up, that has somekind of hadron-collider type device, and he opens up a portal into a parallel universe, and that other universe is the one where the 2016 ALL-FEMALE Ghostbusters reside!? And what if Peck brings them over to basically put the Spengler Fam out of business and they take over completely!! I'm a massive starwars fan and if there's one thing us fans have realized, it's that these Hollywood studios who OWN ALL Our beloved franchises; they're in the business of doing the Exact Opposite to whatever we ask for.
@@edwardjohnson6744 LOL, your idea is actually good but i just don't trust the writers, and i did hear a few years back they were talking about trying to set up a kind of Ghostbusters universe, where it's established there becomes many other types of "Ghostbusters". If you watch the start of the movie, there's a logo that reads - "Ghostcorps". Channing tatum was trying to trying to get his own GB spin-off going a few years back, but he was basically going for a "21 Jump st" style but as Ghostbusters. Like i said, these Hollywood studios NEVER listen to us fans ideas. Or they make note of what fans are talking about what they would like in a new movie, or what direction they would like something to go in, then the studio deliberately go and do the total opposite. they do it to spite us but also they think by doing their own twisted idea, they believe that will catch on with the Younger, "Modern Audience", just simply because it's *Different* but it usually ends up causing such a stink and becomes *Divisive* with all the oldskool fans, that the younguns end up losing interest and staying well away from it. Case in point - 2019's terminator: dark fate, some genius thought it would be really cool and "edgy" to go and kill off teenage "John Connor" have him literally shotgunned dead by the terminator, then a whole other, alternate timeline is created, where it's basically the SAME goddamn thing, but with different names. So like "Skynet" is then called *Legion* and the t-800s and then called "Rev-9s" LOL. And like, NOBODY watched it. that movie Bombed at the boxoffice, lost Skydance studios a sh*t pot of money and killed the terminator franchise. this is how spiteful and clueless, like out of touch these Hollywood studios are.
Well yeh that whole her turning into a Ghost just to experience it and feel connected to the ghost girl was dumb, Phoebe was absolutely queer-coded in this movie.
@@RaikenXion- Her being turned *2SLGTBQIA+ wasn't surprising. But her intentionally harming herself was a bridge WAY too far. Someone recorded parts of this movie. When I saw that I decided that not only would none of my family go see it - but I was finished with Ghostbusters. Hollywood is so screwed up.
LOL yeh sorry Tom but you're in the minority here, Phoebe was TOTALLY "Queer-Coded" in this movie, and she was seriously under-developed just back to being angsty-teen who doesn't fit in. Tom i think your love of the GB cartoon series (if that's what you were referring to) has blinded you to this movie. Sure, it tried to take alot of things but the movie was convoluted and that Phoebe and the ghost girl, that was 100% queer-coded. SIX, Clobby, Culture, Price, they're all right here.
My issue with "Afterlife" was the scene at the Sheriff's Department, where the Sheriff and his deputies got away with insulting Egon in front of his daughter and grandkids..there should've been a little moment where either Callie, Trevor or Phoebe speaks up and says something..like, "Egon Spengler was a scientist who saved the world twice and didn't ask for anything in return."...although that comes from watching Doctor Who a lot, because that's something The Doctor would say, usually Eccleston, Tennant, Smith or Capaldi, but that's the only scene that bothered me.
@@user-ld9tf4td8s it's true that it's usually a trick by them to provoke a reaction, so they were right to just let them have the last word. Again, watching "Doctor Who" a lot will do that, because the Doctor always finds a clever way to get the last word in on authority figures.
Thing is i do get why they chose kid cast ever since Afterlife, we just simply can't have the o.gs now cause they're old. If GB3 had happened in the late 90s, early 2000s, around the time of Reitman's "Evolution" we would have gotten the ogs and probably been upto 5-6 GB movies by now; it is what it is. Murray, Ackroyd etc they're not gonna be with us forever so the studio had to go with kids/teen cast; especially since they'd already tried the ALL FEMALE route already. "Ghostbusters" is a unique comedy movie and i don't think we'll ever get that again.
Okay 1st I have nothing against gay relationships, but the panel were not “feeding” into anything the production was. 4 people on the panel said that was the impression they got around those 2 characters. It’s Gay coding. It used to be the absence of a sex scene but now because we are all so hyper aware of these things we can see it now. That doesn’t mean anyone was wrong for saying they don’t see it. Technically nothing physical happened but they alluded to it. Gay coded. However, all that matters is did you enjoy the movie, did it stand up to the Original. Thats all. The nuances are for people’s individual interpretation.
Exactly! Tom has totally missunderstood here, he's just bias and seriously in big denial because he loves the animated cartoon and strongly feels Frozen Empire borrowed alot from that. And yeh you're absolutely right, Phoebe and the ghost girl were queer-coded, these young Hollywood writers will start doing this more and more to see what they can get away with.
the best scene was bill murry asking if that dude would kill puppies. but i dunno if the new spengler family is interesting enough to carry the franchise. I really wish it focused a little more on the originals.
I was getting that vibe right toward the start of the movie when it opened with them, i was just like - "meh", i honestly didn't find them interesting enough at all.
Didn't Chris Gore just melt down recently the same way Tom did about that other stupid fucking movie you guys were talking about? Maybe his meltdown was worse but you guys do know the director of Frozen Empire admitted in an interview a few days later that Phoebe's relationship with that dumb ghost was supposed to be a crush...
@@RaikenXion I wanted to be blissfully ignorant to it too, just like Tom, but we all knew in the back of our minds and now you just have to do a quick Google search to find the interview
@@GlenLentz Exactly someone should send the link for that interview to Tom. I get that he really wants to like the movie. I don't hate Frozen Empire, it's not even a bad movie but it's just not great either. Alot of convolutedness, it needed less characters so we could focus more on the ogs and the younger characters. Kumal Nanjiani was bordering ever-so slightly on being seriously very annoying, Ghost girl was frickin annoying, Finn wolfhard's character was wasted in this movie, and it just needed more actual "Ghostbusting" and more laughs, alot of the jokes just didn't land for me really. The queer-coded stuff has to be called out every goddamn time it's noticed, in EVERY movie, just like the M.E. crew did here, nothing hating, nothing negative or raving about it, but just simply call it out because Sony were testing things here to see what they can get away with, and Tom is one of those who either just really didn't see it, or he's simply in denial; but if people dont call it out Hollywood will just keep pushing it into future movies. Also the scene with Kumal where they're searching his grandma's secret room and jokes about tying up with chains for bondage and karma sutra sessions; this was while the Phoebe character was there too, just distasteful and really weird i thought. It reminded me alot of the deleted scene of Cap Marvel in the marvels making somekind of Lesbian joke to the teenage Miss Marvel over the phone to do with the Valkyrie character; i remember hearing about that. this is the kind of stuff that some of these woke writers try to push into movies and get away with.
TL;DR: It's worse than Afterlife and the person who loved it also loved Thor Love and Thunder. Considering Afterlife wasn't a good film, not even close, this sounds like absolute garbage and should have gone straight to video. Easy skip.
I hated Love and Thunder. Loved this movie. It is all nostalgia and an absolute love letter to fans. If you were literally a child when the originals were brand new, and you loved The Real Ghostbusters then this movie is 9/10. If you are a casual fan than I can see where the movie would not be great at all. I'm glad I got to see it the theater. Trust your gut though, if you don't go in thinking it's for you, disappointment will prevail.
Yeah, I just felt the ending was rushed and the villain killed too easily. But it makes sense that he went straight to them considering how many ghosts and spirits they were holding captive.
I loved it. It was a fun family movie that was actually funny. I think people forget that stuff like driving the statue of Liberty with a Nintendo controller happened in this universe.
Melody might not even be her name "The girl who's the key to everything" doesn't describe Phoebe in this movie. She isn't a "chosen one". She isn't preordained to be the one to save the world. Yes, she's a girl. Yes, she exacerbates the problem (the problem actually starts when Kumal takes the orb out of the brass room which was keeping it ensnared). Yes, she came up with the solution... because she's the brains of the group now. But none of that is the horrible trope of "only a woman can save us". If Phoebe hadn't been in the movie and instead her role was filled by Lars while the entire plot was exactly the same, nobody would be asserting there's left-wing undertones (aside from Patton Oswalt's denigrating of the Adventuerer's Club) Heck, here are a few fun rightwing details I noticed: They shoot prius-es and drive the car into rental bikes (though I could see this being twisted to leftwing by inserting a joke bashing Gary for hurting the environment. But that didn't happen) As was mentioned, the healthy nuclear family "You're an adult. Take care of the problem yourself" - no lefty would ever say that And in all four films the government has been getting in the way (possibly bipartisan, but the left is generally more in favor of government regulation)
As a hardcore fan of the animated series, I loved this. The third act was clunky and half-baked, but otherwise I haven't had this much fun at a movie in years.
Phoebe is the best new character of this franchise. Period. She is that female ghostbuster we needed. The 2016 got all that wrong. She has a great character ark, she makes mistakes, she gets called for her selfishness and then she helps to save the day. A great passing the torch there while still having the original crew. Phoebe is the way Lucasfilm should have written Rey.
" Phoebe is the way Lucasfilm should have written Rey." In Afterlife YES!! Here i found Phoebe to be badly under-developed, and she was totally queer-coded.
Tom seems like a very angry individual. Also need to stop interrupting people. It’s obnoxious. Absolutely a lack of self awareness going on here…. Shame cos he sometimes has a lot to say that’s reasonably interesting.
Tom is Tom, lol. I heard him make some creepy off hand comments once that made me question him, but I was never the biggest fan to begin with. Nevertheless, he's part of the panel and probably won't be going anywhere anytime soon, so.. it is what it is.
Damn my first time listening to this channel...is that guy Tom always this creepy? Does he have a thing for kids? Why is he in denial over something thet 85-95% of the audience sees as obviously lesbian undertones?
They're out of line on the phoebe being the 'key to everything.' i can understand going there given recent history, but phoebe isn't just magically good at things because the plot needed it, everything she does is IN character, a character that has been established. And her and melody are a friendship, did they leave it ambiguous? sure, but you guys are the ones that constantly complain about shows where people can't just be friends, and this one made them just friends, and you are mad at it. Pick a side.
on the surface, yeah, it seems like a sweet "we're both so isolated and lonely" friendship...but the way Phoebe looks at Melody tells me a different story. Just think...whats the reason they kept that character a secret?
@@mrpersonality3497I can tell that everybody here DOES NOR work with teenagers. I'm a professor, teenage girls get close, "love" each other without being "gay". So, yeah, I think a lot of people need to go out and stop seeing ghosts everywhere they go hahaha. The movie was awesome and btw it was awesome not to see any stupid representation, no diversity. No bullshit!!! I wonder what some of you are gonna nitpick on x men 97...
@@lordlouixhey, you know what? I agree with you 100%. I just think they're trying to do something. like in my other comment...bi lighting was used in one scene on Phoebes face. Call me a conspiracy theorist.
@@mrpersonality3497just today I saw two girls holding hands in the hall and one of them have a boyfriend. They hold hands as friendship. Girls are just different from how we do or see things. This new generation also does things differently. I can tell this also based on what six said in the video when she says I have never seen a girl mate like Phoebe did. Well things have changed from like 20 years ago. I totally agree with Tom, I think people are seeing things where there are not.
Love ya Tom, but Phoebe is totally gay for that ghost girl
Tom, instead of saying, you’re sorry every time you cut someone off, maybe just don’t cut them off. Just a thought.
Tom lost the plot on this. They were clearly alluding to those 2 characters being more than friends.
In isolation I agree with him it’s a reach, but the issue is that Hollywood types and woke Twitter believes these character traits = gay. It’s the same problem with the American Society movie that just got released. Black people aren’t the only ones with anxiety. That’s not a racial thing. They might be anxious over different things, but it’s not unique to a particular group of people. That’s something that should bring people together because we all experience it. This is the same reason a large portion of the internet wants Elsa in Frozen to be gay as if she can’t just be an introverted woman. These types of people don’t think that Phoebe is introverted and socially awkward because she tends to let her negative thoughts and self-image dictate how she interacts with people or that she is just more interested in science than friendships. Nope, she has to have these personality traits because she’s in the closet.
Blag blag blah THE DIRECTOR ADMITTED IT ON TV. ITS REAL.
Melody to Phoebe when she see's Podcast at the diner:
"Who's the third wheel?"
That's because she's using Phoebe and doesn't want anyone around to risk calling her out and getting caught for what she is. It's a manipulation tactic.
@@user-ld9tf4td8s people scream woke like the little dude scream wolf until the real one came and we know what happened after...
@@lordlouixwoke exists. It's been happening quite frequently. But the problem with being put on edge is that it can lead to jerky knees
The key is to look at what is being said instead of reading into things. I had soneone tell me I was crazy for pointing out wokeness in Black Panther when I was literally quoting the script. If soneone can show me wokeness in the script of Frozen Empire I'm willing to listen
Except the director admitted the romantic interest storyline publicly. So it has been confirmed. Whether being a lesbian is woke or not is sn entirely separate conversation.
Theres only 2 ghostbusters movies
Ghostbusters 2 is so underrated
TOM: STOP INTERRUPTING EVERYONE EVERY TIME...
Would you rather Tom shouting or other panelists that sound half asleep, or Culture that looks like he hasn’t showered or got a haircut since the 70s?
@@tigerking8165 and that’s why I love Tom 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@tigerking8165Culture grows his hair for a charity I believe. Unless the stream recently when they said it it was joke and it went over my head, which is entirely possible ☺️
@@tigerking8165he is a hippie
@@lilyvonshtuupunsanitary
Phoebe was clearly getting honey-potted.
Melody might not have even been her name
Listening to Tom is aggravating and exhausting, it’s obvious the co-hosts feel the same way.
I agree, he's soo WRONG on this and we're NOT feeding into anything, all Clobby/SIX/Culture/Price were doing was honestly calling out what they were picking up on from the way those two characters were written in the movie; it was completely QUEER CODED.
im pretty sure their are lesbian vibes in the film. tom is defending bc he loves ghost busters lol
Lol yeh, it's called "Queer-Coded" the acolyte showrunner Leslie Headland use the term, this is what all these young gen writers in Hollywood are starting to do now when it comes to young, teenage characters. You're right, Tom's love of Ghostbusters and the animated series has blinded him to what they did with the Phoebe character here, he's in total denial.
I love that this was the hill Tom chose to die on. That was so funny and made my day. 😆
Which is nice, because I really needed a laugh tonight after having a rough day.
Tom called them out though. Screaming woke or gay at everything is damaging our society and it is catering to the crazy weirdos out there. Let's not forget that the bad criticism of this movie came from the shills who enjoyed the REAL woke, girl boss, shitty race swapped stupid 2016 one. So if you didn't like this movie, you should think twice or more what kind of things you wanna see or enjoy...
tom trips me out
The Cinemark by me sold all their Ghostbusters merchandise last week. Now you have to go to their online store.
Tom really needs to learn how to talk to his co-hosts, or he will be doing this show alone.
Surprised he’s not already
@@yourpalanon8182 I think he is, i think he lives in that movie collection room of his, probably glued to that seat he's always on.
I roll my eyes every time trailers use the slowed dramatic remix of songs. I almost clicked off it... but it's Beetlejuice right? Seems like nothing new or justifying of a sequel. I would've rather they did the Hawaiian thing. At least that would've been something new.
I'm starting to get real tired of that style too, it's like they're trying way too hard to play on our nostalgia. I love Michael Keaton, loved his return in Flash, but i gotta say the trailer for this Beetlejuice 2 sequel just feels like it is going to just be another "the force awakens" style rehash. None of us want that!
Why don't they focus on a new setting? Delve more into the world of the dead and create a new and original story that's set purely there, and where it's actually Beetlejuice who needs the "living" help for once. they should go through all those different crooked doors, that can lead to allkinds of wacky, weird dimensions. Feels like this needed to be co-written by both Burton but in collaboration with someone like Gillermo Del torro, with Del torro on directing duties this time; bring his quirky, creative style to it would help i think.
But you're right here, this isn't gonna be anything new at all. Hollywood just don't get it do they. hese classics are too frickin old for this gen-x/z generation to be remotely interested in them or even get their appeal; and for us older fans, we're even past nostalgia now, we want the return of Legends, but in ALL NEW and ORIGINAL Stories!! to build from and *Expand* on that classic thing.
one scene with Phoebe and Melody featured blue and purple neon lights....Bisexual lighting
Sigh, reading into things that just aren't there. That is what society has done to us, hunting out context that isn't even there. This is how the woke cult wins and you're falling into that trap. It's not too late to get out.
@@gokauryi don't think you know what woke means
@@gokauryjust because YOU don’t know about it, does not mean it doesn’t exist. It doesn’t matter if you are aware of it, it’s there for the people that do. Whether you believe it or not we live in a “John wick” world where there are 2 parallel societies. That sort of messaging is not for “normies” like you.
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@@gokauryThank you.
Sounds like they were 'subtely' checking woke boxes and created too many characters for a good movie...like usual. I'm out
agreed
Boxes were checked, but I don't think it was done subtly or even with intent. Was it intentionally woke when the Real Ghostbusters traveled to Japan, Paris, or Siberia? New Orleans, Detroit, Tombstone? How about when they faced off against ghosts brought to New York from Africa, Alaska, Ireland...
New York is a great setting for the story because people from all over the world come to the city. It allows for natural diversity without that word being a dog whistle for critical theory bs
lol oh no queer people exist ITS WOKE!!!
Yep, get that DEI and while they're at it make Phoebe Queer-Coded and see IF the normie audience pick up on it.
Yeah. Im sure all the future oscar wins were worth it.
Less Patton Oswalt is always an improvement.
Tom didn’t see the alphabet agenda 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Tom it’s called playing both sides of the fence.
facts
How exactly is that an agenda? Having gay characters is not an agenda.
Such denial by Tom, Phoebe was absolutely queer-coded here.
People who “really love” something will eat any slop that put in front of them as long as it has some relation to the thing they REALLY love.
Not really. I love James Bond movies and there's plenty of them I thought were stupid and don't watch. G: FE is the first dud in this series
@@mrpersonality3497 I know a guy who “really loves” Star Wars and laps up the sequel series. So…..
@@yourpalanon8182so.... what? i know a huge star was guy who hates the recent movies.
Yeh, just like Tom. i'm a massive, passionate *Star Wars* fan, i love the prequels as much as the originals, but i won't ever accept anything served up to me; i will ALWAYS call out a thing i love if iterations of it are not of that high quality. Loved Mandalorian Seasons 1&2 but Season 3 really dropped the ball and i called it out.
Tom loves interrupting people or sucks at social cues smh
I'd say both
You know they shot this movie in England, where they built a replica Firehouse and exterior street. I don’t think Rick would have come all that way for a cameo. The guy has pretty much washed his hands with that kind of nonsense.
No I'm gonna have to say the whole thing with Phoebe and melody felt more like the autism in Phoebe trying to make friends with someone, it sort of reminds me of me when I try to be sociable with anyone. Oh I do agree that the closeness in the ghost scene is a little too uncomfortable but again i chucked that up to just human frailty sticking around in the ghost form.
As for melody using Phoebe my guesses that she didn't want to but because the boss ghost of the movie was controlling her, That's what I can say.
I more get the feeling that Garakka was manipulating her into manipulating Phoebe
Blows my mind that anyone could watch this movie and not see the lesbian attempt
I definitely picked up on the gay insinuations between the two. Trevor continually gets wasted which is a shame given the whole “they dress up like Ghostbusters” in _Stranger Things_ and playing, of all characters, Richy Tozier in _It_ who was the funny one of the group.
Saw it a few hours ago today, and I’m actually failing to remember a lot of the things that happened in it. I like it a bit better than the previous one but that’s a bit of a low bar. If you took the latter portion of this and attached it to the early majority of the previous, you could have a decent movie. But the first of this and the latter of other are just so shameful in trying to prove its familiarity with the franchise with all the references and callbacks that it’s shameful bordering on cringeworthy. At one point I half expected to see the Scoleri Brothers pop up for a quick cameo.
I personally thought Peck was going to follow in the Videogame’s footsteps and be head of PCOC since the time skip between films has made them a normal sight like after each Getting-Famous-Montage of the originals did. I certainly wasn’t expecting him to be mayor especially if he’s still so antagonistic towards the company. Surely something could have been better established in the world much like the game did. For all the time spent trying to world-build this return to form (particularly after the whole _Answer the Call_ debacle) a lot needed to be answered for especially for all the new characters and assets: Is Podcast an actual member of the new team like Lucky seems to be at the R&D facility? What’s the dynamic of everyone from Oklahoma uprooting to Manhattan? Do Ray and Peter actually work for Ghostbusters or are they legacy reserves/PRN contractors? Is Trevor an adult now; I was a little confused?🤔 How and when does the mother suddenly care so much about her father’s company he cofounded given her attitudes towards it and non-family issues which still persist in this film? When did Lucky have engineering skills or is she just a grunt who points and aims a weapon during experimental target practices? Are they paid by Winston or do they bill the city? If Winston is paying them, does he recupe his expenses by billing someone since ghostbusting is serious enough that Mayor Wally Wick allows them to operate as far as they can get without causing some incident that allows him to unleash the ban hammer like he so desperately wants to? If there are issues about Trevor’s, and especially Phoebe’s, ages in being active ghostbusters, why have no other staff been hired? Kinda hard to believe that Gary is the only fan of the old team who’d eagerly operate on the new team especially once the company was back in Manhattan where it all began. At least _Extreme Ghostbusters_ was formed by a team 75% of which had any familiarity and/or appreciation for either the paranormal or the Ghostbusters which lead them to becoming the new team. How have the family not developed any teamwork dynamic for when they go out on a call that they bicker amongst themselves or don’t know how much of anything works? At least the other films addressed some form of training or field testing.
The villain is actually unremarkable. Out of the 4 film villains (and I had to go look up his name it’s just not imprinting on me) Garraka is not that great. Executions aside, the villains were always driving the plot. Gozer is coming and sends its minions to pick targets as it’s summoned to New York or that other outlet. Vigo is actually active in his machinations even getting more presence and influence as his powers grow extending his reach. And Rowan, despite being a stereotypical incel, has planned out each of his steps and is directly tied to every encounter the ladies face. Horn Dude just spends his time locked in a ball while everyone slowly talks about him until some other ghost takes the slow path to positioning him to where he can have any active agency to advance in his goal. How lucky is he that Phoebe actually became curious to know what being a ghost was like or that there was even a machine that could allow her to leave her body to simulate it while being still attached to her body to puppet it? Or that the guy who inherited his prison was that much of a schmuck that it would go to the one place that would lead him to this machine? Gozer just comes wherever per some schedule or is summoned. Vigo is waiting in his painting and can muster emotions anywhere into slime to feed off until he can psychically affect matter for his purposes and posses people as his servants. Rowan goes and makes things happen designing his machines and strategically placing them about the city. Gary-chacka just gets dumb luck. And when exactly did he meet Melody that she became his spy?
The new equipment wasn’t interesting either. I’ve got my Afterlife pack plus rifle (AND the ‘84 model!) and the 1:1 Spirit Pack so I’m good as far as that goes and I’m not interested in collecting or backing any projects to recreate the Frozen Empire equipment which I’m not sure what all they do differently other than maybe the wrist gun which is more a matter of ergonomics…🙄
The two best are the original films from the ‘80’s but this one was at least something of a casual watch and easier to get any entertainment from.🫤 *B-*
I remember most everything about the movie. And this was with me turning off my brain. I enjoyed the ride. 8/10. Sigh, some people will never be placated. Woke culture has now wired our brains to seek out context that is not even there. They still win this way. Don't let them.
@@gokaury So the only way to enjoy this is don’t think? _”Don’t ask questions! Just consume product and then get ready for next product!” -Nerd Crew._ I shouldn’t have to go out of my way to make a movie work; it should be self-sufficient.
And it’s not that hard for someone to see the undertone of Phoebe crushing on Melody. There probably was none sure, but the vibes just came natural the way it came across. I’m not accusing, but damn does it seem like a strong theory there was originally going to be.
I liked Afterlife it had heart, this one felt convoluted and that ghost girl was frickin annoying, Phoebe was definitely queer-coded i picked up on her and ghost girl's interactions too. Tom is just in pure denial here.
@@RaikenXion I’d be more forgiving and say Tom was cross-arguing with the girls. They were saying how there’s all the signs of one lingering in the film final but he was losing his shit over how one didn’t actually happen missing the point they were making. They laid out the track, and the characters walked along it, but they didn’t continue to the finish line so were they really in the race?
@@MichaelAarons1701 I think the set up was intentionally there to make Phoebe queer-coded, the scenes of them together are always intimate, but if it was written as them being purely "Friends", the set up and tone would be quite different, ghost girl would not be all offish, she would establish that she needs help with something, regards her situation; and it would not involve Phoebe ending up willingly putting herself inside that device thing to basically turn herself into a ghost.
I think the writers definitely wanted her to lean toward the gay meter, but i think they were also well aware of other recent movies like Strange World, Lightyear thor love & thunder and the marvels; how all those went down overall with the mainstream audience. So because of how much Frozen Empire had been pushed back, they had plenty of time to change it up; or maybe they just always originally intended to go for the subtle "queer-coded" route, thinking it would go right over most the normie audience just like it did tom.
the question is, HOW exactly do you provide this "Representation" for lgbtq audience in big, huge popular mainstream franchise movies? When the lgbtq community are purely defined only by their sexual identity and preference.
How do you introduce a gay or trans character into such big movies and have it go down smooth where your overall audience are just fine with it; basically where it doesn't feel awkward or stop the whole movie?
How to bring in such lgbtq characters but not even make anykind of big deal about the fact they are lgbtq lol. It's like somekind of catch-22 or paradox.
this is why i just think maybe Hollywood should simply start doing Exactly what tyler perry does. He is a movie producer, with his own studio and everything, and he basically rips off, often draws much inspiration from big, popular movies and genres, and makes his own comedic take on those things, aimed specifically for the Black Audience. He's not my cup of tea, but i can understand and appreciate what he does.
Maybe Hollywood should do this same thing, make movies specifically for and all about lgbtq people. So romance, horror, even sci fi, superhero, i remember hearing about a Gay superhero called the Midnighter i think. It's very interesting how neither Marvel or DC have made a live-action movie about that particular superhero, considering they keep pandering to lgbtq audiences; that in of itself would be actually genuinely giving lgbtq people Representation, atleast in the Superhero genre.
At end of the day it's all a *Agenda* that Hollywood is pushing, and mainstream normies are all beginning to see right through it.
I do often wonder though, exactly how many Lgbtq people only care about just getting that diversity/representation pushed into everything, no matter how heavy-handed, or slyly it is done, as long as it's there; then they don't even watch the very things where it's been pushed into.
Compared to the ones in the Lgbtq community that actually care about just Genuine Representation? 🤔
Love Love Loved this movie!!!!
I enjoyed it and thought it was pure wholesome fun. My criticism is it needed more of the villain and characterization between the og gb and new team. Despite that I enjoyed it alot and would recommend others to see. I feel with the new series of the Ghostbusters they are working to find their footing. I would say they would need a stronger writer that can improve on things including balancing nostigla. Personally I feel Ghostbusters in the long run would work as a series on Netflix or elsewhere for more developing of storytelling, characterization and the villians, and etc.
Agreed.
Tom is such a snowflake in denial
lol He really is isn't he
If that gay element comes out, fully, in the next film? That film will die. The franchise will die. Most of us, I think, are SICK of these Hollywood leftists shoe-horning their agenda into everything. Leave it OUT of this one. Please! Afterlife was precious. I’m seeing this one tonight. I’m hopeful.
thats why i think culture is right about their being gay scenes left in the editing room.
Phoebe was absolutely written as queer-coded in this movie, that's why EVERYONE but Tom is picking up on it and simply calling it out.
What a depressing disappointment. I knew the film would be bad the moment I heard that Gil Kenan and Jason Reitman were back on writing duty. I thought they did a horrible job with Ghostbusters Afterlife.
It wasn't bad but it might need a director cut it tried to squeeze too much into a 2hr movie 🍿 or it should of been a Netflix series so they could stretch it out with all the characters
When i looked it up was another director i hadn't heard of before. I think if it was Jason Reitman again this movie would have turned out much better and he would have absolutely Developed the Phoebe character.
I'm going to keep putting this put there, because I want it to happen: I hope Walter Peck has the proton packs and traps he had confiscated from the firehouse reverse engineered and that he commission's his own squad of government Ghostbusters to act as a rival team/ try to put Winston's crew out of business. That would be a great sequel.
Plz don't give them ideas because what if they make it where Peck does more than that; what if he actually has a research division set up, that has somekind of hadron-collider type device, and he opens up a portal into a parallel universe, and that other universe is the one where the 2016 ALL-FEMALE Ghostbusters reside!? And what if Peck brings them over to basically put the Spengler Fam out of business and they take over completely!!
I'm a massive starwars fan and if there's one thing us fans have realized, it's that these Hollywood studios who OWN ALL Our beloved franchises; they're in the business of doing the Exact Opposite to whatever we ask for.
@@RaikenXion - oh no! Delete that idea quickly!
@@edwardjohnson6744 LOL, your idea is actually good but i just don't trust the writers, and i did hear a few years back they were talking about trying to set up a kind of Ghostbusters universe, where it's established there becomes many other types of "Ghostbusters". If you watch the start of the movie, there's a logo that reads - "Ghostcorps".
Channing tatum was trying to trying to get his own GB spin-off going a few years back, but he was basically going for a "21 Jump st" style but as Ghostbusters.
Like i said, these Hollywood studios NEVER listen to us fans ideas. Or they make note of what fans are talking about what they would like in a new movie, or what direction they would like something to go in, then the studio deliberately go and do the total opposite.
they do it to spite us but also they think by doing their own twisted idea, they believe that will catch on with the Younger, "Modern Audience", just simply because it's *Different* but it usually ends up causing such a stink and becomes *Divisive* with all the oldskool fans, that the younguns end up losing interest and staying well away from it.
Case in point - 2019's terminator: dark fate, some genius thought it would be really cool and "edgy" to go and kill off teenage "John Connor" have him literally shotgunned dead by the terminator, then a whole other, alternate timeline is created, where it's basically the SAME goddamn thing, but with different names. So like "Skynet" is then called *Legion* and the t-800s and then called "Rev-9s" LOL. And like, NOBODY watched it. that movie Bombed at the boxoffice, lost Skydance studios a sh*t pot of money and killed the terminator franchise.
this is how spiteful and clueless, like out of touch these Hollywood studios are.
@@RaikenXion - Dark Fate was truly terrible.
So...Phoebe essentially commits suicide to be with her lesbian ghost-girlfriend? Yeah, this movie can f*ck all the way off.
Well yeh that whole her turning into a Ghost just to experience it and feel connected to the ghost girl was dumb, Phoebe was absolutely queer-coded in this movie.
@@RaikenXion- Her being turned *2SLGTBQIA+ wasn't surprising. But her intentionally harming herself was a bridge WAY too far. Someone recorded parts of this movie. When I saw that I decided that not only would none of my family go see it - but I was finished with Ghostbusters. Hollywood is so screwed up.
LOL yeh sorry Tom but you're in the minority here, Phoebe was TOTALLY "Queer-Coded" in this movie, and she was seriously under-developed just back to being angsty-teen who doesn't fit in. Tom i think your love of the GB cartoon series (if that's what you were referring to) has blinded you to this movie. Sure, it tried to take alot of things but the movie was convoluted and that Phoebe and the ghost girl, that was 100% queer-coded.
SIX, Clobby, Culture, Price, they're all right here.
My issue with "Afterlife" was the scene at the Sheriff's Department, where the Sheriff and his deputies got away with insulting Egon in front of his daughter and grandkids..there should've been a little moment where either Callie, Trevor or Phoebe speaks up and says something..like, "Egon Spengler was a scientist who saved the world twice and didn't ask for anything in return."...although that comes from watching Doctor Who a lot, because that's something The Doctor would say, usually Eccleston, Tennant, Smith or Capaldi, but that's the only scene that bothered me.
It's a matter of understanding the time and place. It's seldom wise to chastise a police officer, even if you're right
@@user-ld9tf4td8s it's true that it's usually a trick by them to provoke a reaction, so they were right to just let them have the last word. Again, watching "Doctor Who" a lot will do that, because the Doctor always finds a clever way to get the last word in on authority figures.
I didnt like the last one
to much of a kids movie and thats not what Ghostbusters was
the new one looks the same.
i'll pass
Thing is i do get why they chose kid cast ever since Afterlife, we just simply can't have the o.gs now cause they're old. If GB3 had happened in the late 90s, early 2000s, around the time of Reitman's "Evolution" we would have gotten the ogs and probably been upto 5-6 GB movies by now; it is what it is. Murray, Ackroyd etc they're not gonna be with us forever so the studio had to go with kids/teen cast; especially since they'd already tried the ALL FEMALE route already. "Ghostbusters" is a unique comedy movie and i don't think we'll ever get that again.
Culture got it right. It is a great family movie!!! I would give it 9 out of 10. Very well done movie with a great message!
True
Okay 1st I have nothing against gay relationships, but the panel were not “feeding” into anything the production was. 4 people on the panel said that was the impression they got around those 2 characters. It’s Gay coding. It used to be the absence of a sex scene but now because we are all so hyper aware of these things we can see it now. That doesn’t mean anyone was wrong for saying they don’t see it. Technically nothing physical happened but they alluded to it.
Gay coded. However, all that matters is did you enjoy the movie, did it stand up to the Original. Thats all. The nuances are for people’s individual interpretation.
No such thing as gay, its a false identity
Well if you keep looking at shit you start to recognise it and its patterns, ya know LOL
Coding is not the same as being. Unless you think Sam & Frodo actually are gay
Exactly! Tom has totally missunderstood here, he's just bias and seriously in big denial because he loves the animated cartoon and strongly feels Frozen Empire borrowed alot from that. And yeh you're absolutely right, Phoebe and the ghost girl were queer-coded, these young Hollywood writers will start doing this more and more to see what they can get away with.
the best scene was bill murry asking if that dude would kill puppies.
but i dunno if the new spengler family is interesting enough to carry the franchise. I really wish it focused a little more on the originals.
I was getting that vibe right toward the start of the movie when it opened with them, i was just like - "meh", i honestly didn't find them interesting enough at all.
Didn't Chris Gore just melt down recently the same way Tom did about that other stupid fucking movie you guys were talking about? Maybe his meltdown was worse but you guys do know the director of Frozen Empire admitted in an interview a few days later that Phoebe's relationship with that dumb ghost was supposed to be a crush...
Yep, i knew it, definitely queer-coded.
@@RaikenXion I wanted to be blissfully ignorant to it too, just like Tom, but we all knew in the back of our minds and now you just have to do a quick Google search to find the interview
@@GlenLentz Exactly someone should send the link for that interview to Tom. I get that he really wants to like the movie. I don't hate Frozen Empire, it's not even a bad movie but it's just not great either. Alot of convolutedness, it needed less characters so we could focus more on the ogs and the younger characters.
Kumal Nanjiani was bordering ever-so slightly on being seriously very annoying, Ghost girl was frickin annoying, Finn wolfhard's character was wasted in this movie, and it just needed more actual "Ghostbusting" and more laughs, alot of the jokes just didn't land for me really.
The queer-coded stuff has to be called out every goddamn time it's noticed, in EVERY movie, just like the M.E. crew did here, nothing hating, nothing negative or raving about it, but just simply call it out because Sony were testing things here to see what they can get away with, and Tom is one of those who either just really didn't see it, or he's simply in denial; but if people dont call it out Hollywood will just keep pushing it into future movies.
Also the scene with Kumal where they're searching his grandma's secret room and jokes about tying up with chains for bondage and karma sutra sessions; this was while the Phoebe character was there too, just distasteful and really weird i thought. It reminded me alot of the deleted scene of Cap Marvel in the marvels making somekind of Lesbian joke to the teenage Miss Marvel over the phone to do with the Valkyrie character; i remember hearing about that. this is the kind of stuff that some of these woke writers try to push into movies and get away with.
I like Ghostbusters 1 and 2, I'm good with just that.
TL;DR: It's worse than Afterlife and the person who loved it also loved Thor Love and Thunder. Considering Afterlife wasn't a good film, not even close, this sounds like absolute garbage and should have gone straight to video. Easy skip.
Afterlife was absolute garbage
I hated Love and Thunder. Loved this movie. It is all nostalgia and an absolute love letter to fans. If you were literally a child when the originals were brand new, and you loved The Real Ghostbusters then this movie is 9/10. If you are a casual fan than I can see where the movie would not be great at all. I'm glad I got to see it the theater. Trust your gut though, if you don't go in thinking it's for you, disappointment will prevail.
Just saw the movie. I really liked it. 7/10 movie. Way better than other crap that comes out now.
Yeah, I just felt the ending was rushed and the villain killed too easily. But it makes sense that he went straight to them considering how many ghosts and spirits they were holding captive.
Personally i'm still not going to settle for average stuff though.
@@RaikenXion fair I always go back to watching the good stuff from the 70s 80s 90s
@@MrMont804 Those were the best decades, seriously creative, best practical effects also, especially out of the 80s for the sci fi genre.
I loved it. It was a fun family movie that was actually funny. I think people forget that stuff like driving the statue of Liberty with a Nintendo controller happened in this universe.
Melody might not even be her name
"The girl who's the key to everything" doesn't describe Phoebe in this movie.
She isn't a "chosen one". She isn't preordained to be the one to save the world.
Yes, she's a girl. Yes, she exacerbates the problem (the problem actually starts when Kumal takes the orb out of the brass room which was keeping it ensnared). Yes, she came up with the solution... because she's the brains of the group now.
But none of that is the horrible trope of "only a woman can save us". If Phoebe hadn't been in the movie and instead her role was filled by Lars while the entire plot was exactly the same, nobody would be asserting there's left-wing undertones (aside from Patton Oswalt's denigrating of the Adventuerer's Club)
Heck, here are a few fun rightwing details I noticed:
They shoot prius-es and drive the car into rental bikes (though I could see this being twisted to leftwing by inserting a joke bashing Gary for hurting the environment. But that didn't happen)
As was mentioned, the healthy nuclear family
"You're an adult. Take care of the problem yourself" - no lefty would ever say that
And in all four films the government has been getting in the way (possibly bipartisan, but the left is generally more in favor of government regulation)
Your Rick Moranis is awrsome
As a hardcore fan of the animated series, I loved this. The third act was clunky and half-baked, but otherwise I haven't had this much fun at a movie in years.
Maybe they didn't offer Rick Moranis a good enough role for good enough money.... I was hoping Oscar wouldve made a cameo
Phoebe is the best new character of this franchise. Period. She is that female ghostbuster we needed. The 2016 got all that wrong. She has a great character ark, she makes mistakes, she gets called for her selfishness and then she helps to save the day. A great passing the torch there while still having the original crew. Phoebe is the way Lucasfilm should have written Rey.
i can agree with that
The actress is a darling also. There's no way she's gonna bash and insult fans.
I still think Egon is the better character. But that's not a sleight against her
" Phoebe is the way Lucasfilm should have written Rey." In Afterlife YES!! Here i found Phoebe to be badly under-developed, and she was totally queer-coded.
Tom seems like a very angry individual.
Also need to stop interrupting people. It’s obnoxious. Absolutely a lack of self awareness going on here….
Shame cos he sometimes has a lot to say that’s reasonably interesting.
Tom is Tom, lol. I heard him make some creepy off hand comments once that made me question him, but I was never the biggest fan to begin with. Nevertheless, he's part of the panel and probably won't be going anywhere anytime soon, so.. it is what it is.
Damn my first time listening to this channel...is that guy Tom always this creepy? Does he have a thing for kids? Why is he in denial over something thet 85-95% of the audience sees as obviously lesbian undertones?
While I disagree with Tom, I don’t think him disagreeing is creepy and it’s super uncalled for to even suggest what you’re suggesting.
@@Stargate404 I'll suggest whatever I want to suggest. Snowflake
@@awakenedsoul calling someone a pęďø is considered defamation in pretty much every society. Pretty sure if someone called you that you’d be unhappy.
I see that Patton Oswalt is still living rent free in all of your heads. 😅
cope
They're out of line on the phoebe being the 'key to everything.' i can understand going there given recent history, but phoebe isn't just magically good at things because the plot needed it, everything she does is IN character, a character that has been established. And her and melody are a friendship, did they leave it ambiguous? sure, but you guys are the ones that constantly complain about shows where people can't just be friends, and this one made them just friends, and you are mad at it. Pick a side.
on the surface, yeah, it seems like a sweet "we're both so isolated and lonely" friendship...but the way Phoebe looks at Melody tells me a different story. Just think...whats the reason they kept that character a secret?
@@mrpersonality3497I can tell that everybody here DOES NOR work with teenagers. I'm a professor, teenage girls get close, "love" each other without being "gay". So, yeah, I think a lot of people need to go out and stop seeing ghosts everywhere they go hahaha. The movie was awesome and btw it was awesome not to see any stupid representation, no diversity. No bullshit!!! I wonder what some of you are gonna nitpick on x men 97...
@@lordlouix Based on what I've seen and heard, a lot of teenage girls can and do end up being ghey.
@@lordlouixhey, you know what? I agree with you 100%. I just think they're trying to do something. like in my other comment...bi lighting was used in one scene on Phoebes face. Call me a conspiracy theorist.
@@mrpersonality3497just today I saw two girls holding hands in the hall and one of them have a boyfriend. They hold hands as friendship. Girls are just different from how we do or see things. This new generation also does things differently. I can tell this also based on what six said in the video when she says I have never seen a girl mate like Phoebe did. Well things have changed from like 20 years ago. I totally agree with Tom, I think people are seeing things where there are not.
Everyone reaching except Tom. Phoebe ain’t checking for no dead chick. Y’all are tainted. 🤣
mmmmm everyone is reaching except tom?.... mmmmmmm I'd have to disagree
most people see something that "isn't there"...
We spent way too much time deciding whether or not we're homophobic in this review. Grow up.
You like Chris Stuckmann; stfu
Nothing homophobic about picking up on a character being written as "Queer-coded".
Why the Fuck would you give Patton Oswalt your money?