Very neat little vehicles. We also had a few in the Netherlands. The shot at 4:57 is a free park & ride bus that was set up by the Vroom & Dreesmann department store in Rotterdam, which ran in 1977. It would travel to and from a parking lot just outside the busy center to the store location. The bus would run monday to thursday from 13.00 to 17.30 and on fridays between 13.00 and 21.00. Saterdays, 09.00 to 18.00. It ran every ten minutes and people could use it free of charge. It was a succes, which was also a problem: it transported on average 2.000 passengers per week. It cost the V&D department store 50.000 guilders per year to run it. They set up a second service in Amstelveen, but both were cancelled pretty quickly. One of the downfalls of the project was that these buses were also used by people who weren't travelling by car, but lived close to said parking lot. After all, why walk if someone's willing to drive you there for free, right?
Hello! Thank you very much for all of this valuable information - it's very interesting to read a detailed overview of a service this bus had been used for! Thanks very much for watching!!
Hi, we operated three of the Omni Buses on a service provided for Kent County Council under the banner Kent Karrier. They were terrible, simply terrible. They simply were poorly made and designed, even things such as the gearbox used to break on a regular basis. We operated them as Mercury Passenger Services Ltd in and around the Medway towns/Maidstone and Swale in Kent (UK), in the end I handed them back to Kent County Council as they brought us bad publicity through there constant issues. We replaced them with our own new vehicles which turned the service around thankfully. It was all made worse in that the Kent Karrier service was aimed at the elderly or disabled, and that is not something you want unreliable vehicles on. Thanks for the video, most informative on perhaps part of Mercury's history I would rather forget. Happy new year to you all as well. Simon
Hello! Thank you for the very interesting info on your experience with the Omni! It's unfortunate it turned out the way it did. Happy New Year to you, too! Thanks very much for watching!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein Hi, You did another feature on a odd ball bus we owned and operated for a while, even with a picture. That being the Dennis Domino (C53 HDT). We got rid of it as it was a little problem bus, kept getting the same problem over and over again, and as a bus operator, the last thing we needed was a problem bus. It was replaced with a pair of new Dennis Darts to a high spec, they were simply wonderful to operate and the customers thought so as well. They actually appreciated the coach seats and soft trim and tinted windows etc. I know that bus after we had it went to a real enthusiast in Yorkshire where we purchased it from in the first place, who did restore it and cured the issue (well I hope he did) I gave him as much help as we could to try and get it back to what he wanted, and I feel it all worked out for him. Do enjoy your videos, and never ceases to make me laugh, not in a nasty way, just love your way of presenting it. Do keep on with your endeavour's please. Kindest regards, Simon Edgecombe (Mercury Passenger Services Ltd)
A cross between a bus and a tractor does seem rather agricultural, so they don't sound very comfortable. Where I used to lived up to 2023, the major regional teaching hospital was a 10min walk from the train-station, and although there were some bus routes that took passenger right to the hospital, for many years they were not only infrequent, but the bus companies providing the services used the oldest buses in their fleets which rode like trucks (& often had stairs to enter them)!
Hello! Thanks for the clarification - I guess I should have asked you before I recorded it (although I may have done it right before your offer)! Thanks very much for watching again!!
By the way, Steyr actually has something to do with fire, because Steyr built and still builds weapons, today under the name Steyr Mannlicher. The most famous rifle is certainly the STG 77.
Gee wiz Jeffery, just when I thought you couldn’t find a bus that is all but the epitome of weird, you go ahead and produce this. Yes is does resemble an American yard tractor. Thanks as usual.
I've been taken to and from school in a CVE Omni a few times. Specifically, an M-reg model operated by Go Whippet. Very strange bus...very loud at "higher" speed. Had no clue that these buses were related, but it makes perfect sense.
I remember seeing a half-cab Citybus operating a local service in Bad Ischl, Austria. I recall it was red, but not the operator. The CVE Omni was a bit of a flop in the UK as it was more expensive and complex than van-derived minibuses, but I recall that a couple of operators with school contracts carrying wheelchairs were very happy with them, and expressed a determination to keep them going as long as spares were available.
This was a second-hand vehicle bought from Vienna and was travelling around Bad Ischl. One of the Viennese buses still exists in the Vienna Tram Museum “Remise”.
@@thomasnovacek4686 Thanks for that. Bad Ischl seemed to have a number of interesting vehicles back in 1989: I remember seeing a Reliant Robin, and an Austin A40 Farina on a dealer's forecourt.
The Omni is not too dissimilar to the rail mounted 'Parry People Mover' that runs between Stourbridge Town and Stourbridge Junction in the UK Another cracking video Jeffrey, all the best for 2025 Sir
Hello! All the best to you for 2025 as well! Glad you liked the video - the Parry People Mover looks like a good idea for a future video! Thanks very much for watching again!!
Interesting video Jeffrey, ive not heard of those . Was certainly surprised when you mentioned them built in Shildon . The pictures of most of the British ones have teesside area registration plates Cheers Russ
That is one modern looking take on the half cab with the 1930s designs I’m used to. I can’t believe a vehicle that size has such small wheels! I imagine they aren’t as hardy as a full size bus. I’m amazed such a radical looking concept made it into production.
So pleased that you have finally got around to cover the City Vehicle Engineering CVE Omni sadly to futuristic of its time and wrong engine from a landrover wasnt fit for purpose till it was repowered by an option of a perkins lump. You often see these for sale on ebay as converted motor homes and the last one in service with the operator Empress Coaches of Hastings in 2019 has gone full circle into preservation.
Wow, what an interesting minibus. here in Chile in between the 80s to the first years of 2000, in a couple of little cities they have the Decaroli Pia - Agrale TX1600, it was a minibus manufactured in Argentina with brazilian chasis Agrale, the length of that minibus was 5.2 Metres.
@@JeffreyOrnstein I think South America is due for some coverage. Did you know AEC was badged as ACLO in South American markets using the same style logo? Supposedly Germany’s AEG thought it was too similar.
Min. 3:30 : the 2-stroke Haflinger engine and the Mercedes engine weren't the only engines used with the city bus. Also a 4-cylinder Volkswagen engine from the LT-28 van was used. I can also remember the one City Bus of the Dürener Kreisbahn in Düren (Germany, near Cologne) min. 4:40 , that provided inner city routes in the early eighties. You displayed one b/w image of it, its the car with the "DN-RS85" number plate. This Bus had a bright beige colour with blue stripes. This car carried the number 99.
Ι remember these in Vienna, circa 1985. We were told they ment to be urban transport for the handicaped. Beautiful & cute little bus, anyway - so 1970s!
The last Omni sold in the UK was S922 JSH purchased by Scottish Borders Council for use on Day Care transport. Iveco engine and manual gearbox. DVLA has it on SORN so it is still out there somewhere.
Another interesting look into oddities in the bus world. I remember the Puch name as a child but heard it pronounced 'Pooch'. The half cab and small wheels make it look futuristic. It would seem in place in a futuristic science-fiction film or childrens animation! The panoramic version looks more sensible. It certainly has a market, airports and tourist vehicles etc. Didn't notice the UK connection, until mentioned, but remember these more sensible versions. Great stuff!
Hello! Very glad you liked the video!! Puch is not really known in the USA, so I am not going to pronounce it correctly, LOL. Thanks very much for watching!!
Steyr and Puch are places in Austria that give the company its name. Puch is actually pronounced Puch, with a short U, and not with a ck at the end. Steyr was and is not only known for vehicles, another part of it is involved in the production of rifles, of which the STG 77 is one of the best known. The Steyr gunsmiths sell under the name Steyr-Manlicher.
Really interesting! I've been to Copenhagen and Lucerne and unfortunately did not see this bus. So glad I know about it now. Thanks, Jeffrey, for always putting out engaging content!
I can still remember those cookie tins well. Walking was more comfortable even in the rain; It was only operated in the city center where there are subways and trams anyway; Vienna isn't that big either; In the summer it was scorching hot inside; I still feel sorry for the drivers today; funny post
A really interesting City Bus which I think was ahead of its time. Perfect for the type of work it was doing. Today a battery electric version of the Steyr could be very successful in today’s environment. ❤
I owned 2 omni's in my time. one fitted with a landrover defender 2.5 diesel engine, the other started with the same engine but was swapped to a ford transit 2.5di banana engine
I remember seeing one of them in the 2010s parked on a public spot in Simmering, Vienna. It still had its original Wiener Linien livery. I hope it was restored, it seemed in pretty decent condition.
A Bus not completely looking the Steyr City Bus is the Neoplan MIC (Metroliner In Carbondesign) or N8006, N8008, N8012. The Body of the Bus is made of Fiberglass Composites wich made it very unique compared to other Buses
I have a picture of this Steyr minibus my friend gave me in the letter back in 1993 or 94 and I found it interesting to see the look of this half cab bus, and speaking about minibuses, how about Benz O100 City? I think this even more interesting for me as this is a minibus with unusual six wheels.
I would like to inform you that in 1988, a bus was produced in Yugoslavia at the TAZ factory under a Steyr license on the basis of the Steyr SCT 6F 65/72 chassis, which has a longer wheelbase and a longer overall length of 5,980 mm with a Mercedes OM 616 engine. Also in TAZ the factory also produced the AVIA A21 TAZ Neretva minibus in cooperation with a Czech partner who relied on the technical documentation on a Steyr minibus. The exact number of vehicles produced is unknown.
Well also later, the Eurobus factory had built some SC6 F58 looking buses called AE60C ! Two were owned by the Zagreb airport. These were most likely produced 1996. Do you know more details about this 1988 non-Avia TAZ you commented?
Slow means langsam in German, just in Case someone wonders why L stands for slow. BTW: the Ice Cream Option could make Public Transport more atractive🍦
I came to live in Luzern (still near there) in March 1989 and the Steyr bus was gone by then. Looking at where the pictures were taken, it might have been that these buses (or this bus) was used to transport tourists from the Hauptbahnhof (main train station) to hotels or something.
It was a very intressting Video, i knew the Bus before and like it. Neoplan build a similar Bus but with a fullsize cab. First for Westberlin, to transport handycaped people called "Telebus" and later Neoplan was building a bus version as unibus or N906.
Hello! Glad you found it interesting! The other buses you mention look interesting, maybe a video on them in the future! Thanks very much for watching!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein I guess MartinIbert is correct with the ch sound being as in the Scottish 'loch' sound - I think that's how ch is pronounced in German. I'm trying to think of other examples, but failing! Steyr Puch was best known in the UK for the Haflinger off-road vehicle. I have memories from the 1960s of seeing one on TV competing in some form of motor sport, though I can't think what it would have been (and I was very young!).
Hello! Glad you liked the video!! The model is a 1/43 scale Iconic Replicas New York City Transit Authority GM TDH-5303. There were three versions - two tone blue, green and silver and the one you see in the video. They were made about 5 years ago. I have all three. Nice display models, but some inaccuracies. Very hard to get today, I would think. They're plastic and were $80 each. Thanks very much for watching!!
The trio bought by Strathclyde Passenger Transport were even more ahead of their time in that they were battery electric, the only ones so built. However SPT were obliged to tender for an operator on the envisaged route and the potential o[perator could put in a quote for using their own diesel buses rather then the battery electrics, the Glasgow inter-station has some steep battery draining hills and the tender was won by diesel buses. As a result SPT's three never carried passengers and sat for years as a monument to extravagance at the city's main Buchanan bus station. Most of the British built examples used a Land-Rover engine with a synchromesh gearbox but later ones had a Toyota Coaster engine and automatic transmission.
So why does it have a half-cab? From what I can tell, it's either yard trucks (which have a convenient access doors for hooking up trailer connections without dismounting on the other half), or double decker busses (which put loading doors or stairs on the other half) that have them - this one doesn't do either. Can it be used for luggage or something? Was it just grandfathered in from the model it's based on? Weight savings?
Hello! Good question...I couldn't find a direct reason, except that it sounded as if it provided easy access to the engine. But there is probably more to it than that. Thanks very much for watching!!
Where there is an engine-beside driver configuration the half-cab actually makes perfect sense. As Jeffrey says, there is good access to the engine, and there is a weight saving (good for the environment) and also there is good visibility for the driver. Sometimes full-front style bodywork was specified by operators on chassis normally half-cab, and these were not popular with drivers - there was more heat and noise in the cab, and if the nearside windows steamed up they were out of reach from the driving seat. Hong Kong bought a lot of full-front Leylands from Southdown and actually converted some to half-cab, and when the London Routemaster was in the design stage the union insisted in them being half-cabs.
I rode with those a few times while studiying in Vienna - not remarkable from the passenger exerience, meaning nothing bad to report - the route went through the narrow roads of the old center.
Well if you ever want to look into main land Europe well look into DAB- Silkeborg, they built busses based on Leyland chasssis and engines for a very long time, and was very innovative, not always the best ideas, but they had many. ,
Daimler ist pronounced with the A like in Bar! 😉 As an english mothertounge speaker I do not try to teach you the right pronounceation of the german „ch“! 😂 Interresting story. thx 👍🏾😎
A novel design from an innovative manufacturer. It's off-topic, but their Puch Haflinger was the forerunner of a lot of today's utility ATVs. One reason why the city bus wasn't a big seller would be economics. Operating costs for a bus can be divided into three categories: capital cost, fuel, and crew. The classic problem for a small vehicle is that the crew element doesn't reduce with the size of the vehicle, and this drives up the total cost per passenger kilometre. Bus operators therefore prefer a uniform fleet of large vehicles, and they'll only use a minibus where they have to run a route that physically can't accommodate a standard vehicle. So, as rational as a city bus may be for some routes, it won't be used unless something overrides the cold hard world of cost accountancy!
The model shown at ua-cam.com/video/X2iAvpJbanY/v-deo.html has New York 'blue on yellow' license plates, so apparently some managed to sneak in. Probably fairly easy now, as long as it isn't a Kei truck in NY ;) Thanks for the video!
Steyr and Puch are places in Austria that give the company its name. Puch is actually pronounced Puch, with a short U, and not with a ck at the end. Steyr was and is not only known for vehicles, another part of it is involved in the production of rifles, of which the STG 77 is one of the best known. The Steyr gunsmiths sell under the name Steyr-Manlicher.
You went: too loud, too varied and too frequent with the transition sound effects. Despite the topics being interesting, I considered not watching it to the end because I was annoyed.
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Very neat little vehicles. We also had a few in the Netherlands. The shot at 4:57 is a free park & ride bus that was set up by the Vroom & Dreesmann department store in Rotterdam, which ran in 1977. It would travel to and from a parking lot just outside the busy center to the store location.
The bus would run monday to thursday from 13.00 to 17.30 and on fridays between 13.00 and 21.00. Saterdays, 09.00 to 18.00. It ran every ten minutes and people could use it free of charge. It was a succes, which was also a problem: it transported on average 2.000 passengers per week. It cost the V&D department store 50.000 guilders per year to run it. They set up a second service in Amstelveen, but both were cancelled pretty quickly.
One of the downfalls of the project was that these buses were also used by people who weren't travelling by car, but lived close to said parking lot. After all, why walk if someone's willing to drive you there for free, right?
Hello! Thank you very much for all of this valuable information - it's very interesting to read a detailed overview of a service this bus had been used for! Thanks very much for watching!!
Hi, we operated three of the Omni Buses on a service provided for Kent County Council under the banner Kent Karrier. They were terrible, simply terrible. They simply were poorly made and designed, even things such as the gearbox used to break on a regular basis. We operated them as Mercury Passenger Services Ltd in and around the Medway towns/Maidstone and Swale in Kent (UK), in the end I handed them back to Kent County Council as they brought us bad publicity through there constant issues. We replaced them with our own new vehicles which turned the service around thankfully. It was all made worse in that the Kent Karrier service was aimed at the elderly or disabled, and that is not something you want unreliable vehicles on. Thanks for the video, most informative on perhaps part of Mercury's history I would rather forget. Happy new year to you all as well. Simon
Hello! Thank you for the very interesting info on your experience with the Omni! It's unfortunate it turned out the way it did. Happy New Year to you, too! Thanks very much for watching!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein Hi,
You did another feature on a odd ball bus we owned and operated for a while, even with a picture. That being the Dennis Domino (C53 HDT). We got rid of it as it was a little problem bus, kept getting the same problem over and over again, and as a bus operator, the last thing we needed was a problem bus. It was replaced with a pair of new Dennis Darts to a high spec, they were simply wonderful to operate and the customers thought so as well. They actually appreciated the coach seats and soft trim and tinted windows etc. I know that bus after we had it went to a real enthusiast in Yorkshire where we purchased it from in the first place, who did restore it and cured the issue (well I hope he did) I gave him as much help as we could to try and get it back to what he wanted, and I feel it all worked out for him. Do enjoy your videos, and never ceases to make me laugh, not in a nasty way, just love your way of presenting it. Do keep on with your endeavour's please. Kindest regards, Simon Edgecombe (Mercury Passenger Services Ltd)
A cross between a bus and a tractor does seem rather agricultural, so they don't sound very comfortable.
Where I used to lived up to 2023, the major regional teaching hospital was a 10min walk from the train-station, and although there were some bus routes that took passenger right to the hospital, for many years they were not only infrequent, but the bus companies providing the services used the oldest buses in their fleets which rode like trucks (& often had stairs to enter them)!
"Steyr" actually rhymes with the English word "fire". It is not pronounced as "stair", more like "shtyre".
Hello! Thanks for the clarification - I guess I should have asked you before I recorded it (although I may have done it right before your offer)! Thanks very much for watching again!!
By the way, Steyr actually has something to do with fire, because Steyr built and still builds weapons, today under the name Steyr Mannlicher. The most famous rifle is certainly the STG 77.
When Mack built trucks with a narrow left cab, they were known by truckers as Popeye Macks.
Very interesting, didn't know that! Thanks very much for watching!
@JeffreyOrnstein If you hear of a skinny one sided cab as a Popeye, now you know where it came from.
Anything that resembles a Gerry Anderson creation is fine by me!
LOL, I think anyone would agree! Thanks very much for watching!!
Gee wiz Jeffery, just when I thought you couldn’t find a bus that is all but the epitome of weird, you go ahead and produce this. Yes is does resemble an American yard tractor.
Thanks as usual.
Hello! Very happy you found the video and the bus interesting! Thanks very much for watching again!!
I've been taken to and from school in a CVE Omni a few times. Specifically, an M-reg model operated by Go Whippet. Very strange bus...very loud at "higher" speed. Had no clue that these buses were related, but it makes perfect sense.
Very interesting to hear your experience riding the Omni! Thanks very much for watching!!
Always wanted a Steyr-Puch Haflinger after seeing one on Dr Who of all things. Looking forward to what weird things you bring us next year!
Hello! Who wouldn't want a Haflinger??? Hopefully to bring more interesting stuff in 2025, and thanks very much for watching again!
Would be more of a Microbus or even. Nanobus ?
I remember seeing a half-cab Citybus operating a local service in Bad Ischl, Austria. I recall it was red, but not the operator. The CVE Omni was a bit of a flop in the UK as it was more expensive and complex than van-derived minibuses, but I recall that a couple of operators with school contracts carrying wheelchairs were very happy with them, and expressed a determination to keep them going as long as spares were available.
Hello! Thanks for your memories of this type of bus, very interesting! Thanks very much for watching again!!
This was a second-hand vehicle bought from Vienna and was travelling around Bad Ischl. One of the Viennese buses still exists in the Vienna Tram Museum “Remise”.
@@thomasnovacek4686 Thanks for that. Bad Ischl seemed to have a number of interesting vehicles back in 1989: I remember seeing a Reliant Robin, and an Austin A40 Farina on a dealer's forecourt.
The Omni is not too dissimilar to the rail mounted 'Parry People Mover' that runs between Stourbridge Town and Stourbridge Junction in the UK
Another cracking video Jeffrey, all the best for 2025 Sir
Hello! All the best to you for 2025 as well! Glad you liked the video - the Parry People Mover looks like a good idea for a future video! Thanks very much for watching again!!
Interesting video Jeffrey, ive not heard of those . Was certainly surprised when you mentioned them built in Shildon . The pictures of most of the British ones have teesside area registration plates
Cheers Russ
Hello Russ! Very glad you found the video interesting!! Thanks very much for watching again!!
CVE-Omni, didnt know the relationship ,
Thank you for such an interesting video. It is quite amazing how the various color schemes either complement or accentuate the box-like body design.
Hello! Very glad you found the video interesting!! Thanks very much for watching!!
Those steel wheels and rounded headlights reminds me alot of the 1980:s Vw Golf MK2, sold as the Rabbit in the USA 👍
Mk2 Golf was never sold as the rabbit .
Looks like a VW Vanagon 80-90
As I know, they are from the VW LT at this time. Like the the front indicater and the rear lights.
That is one modern looking take on the half cab with the 1930s designs I’m used to.
I can’t believe a vehicle that size has such small wheels!
I imagine they aren’t as hardy as a full size bus.
I’m amazed such a radical looking concept made it into production.
Oh yes, it's quite different from anything else on the streets at that time! Thanks very much for watching!
So pleased that you have finally got around to cover the City Vehicle Engineering CVE Omni sadly to futuristic of its time and wrong engine from a landrover wasnt fit for purpose till it was repowered by an option of a perkins lump. You often see these for sale on ebay as converted motor homes and the last one in service with the operator Empress Coaches of Hastings in 2019 has gone full circle into preservation.
Glad you found the video interesting, and thanks for the additional info on the Omni! Thanks very much for watching!
Wow, what an interesting minibus. here in Chile in between the 80s to the first years of 2000, in a couple of little cities they have the Decaroli Pia - Agrale TX1600, it was a minibus manufactured in Argentina with brazilian chasis Agrale, the length of that minibus was 5.2 Metres.
Hello! Very glad you liked the video! I need to take a look at the Pia-Agrale TX1600! Thanks very much for watching!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein here's a picture www.atodobuschile.cl/galeria/data/media/62/01195.jpg
@@JeffreyOrnstein I think South America is due for some coverage.
Did you know AEC was badged as ACLO in South American markets using the same style logo?
Supposedly Germany’s AEG thought it was too similar.
Thank you for the work to bring us this interesting video.
Hello! I'm very happy you liked the video!!! Thanks very much for watching again!!
So for me Steyr means firepower!
Awesome! Thanks very much for watching!!
Min. 3:30 : the 2-stroke Haflinger engine and the Mercedes engine weren't the only engines used with the city bus. Also a 4-cylinder Volkswagen engine from the LT-28 van was used.
I can also remember the one City Bus of the Dürener Kreisbahn in Düren (Germany, near Cologne) min. 4:40 , that provided inner city routes in the early eighties. You displayed one b/w image of it, its the car with the "DN-RS85" number plate. This Bus had a bright beige colour with blue stripes. This car carried the number 99.
Hello! Thanks for the information about the other engine that was used and of the history of the photos I used! Thanks very much for watching!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein The 2-cylinder Haflinger engine was a 4-stoke engine !!
2-stroke wouldn't 'stroke' with the narrative to reduce pollution.
What a beautiful and cute little bus.
Yes, it sure is! Thanks very much for watching!!
Good morning,will agree it looks like it was ahead of its time,today's airport erica style rig,thumbs up great video, Happy New Years
Hello! Yes, it definitely was futuristic in a way! Happy New Year to you, too, and thanks very much for watching!!
Ι remember these in Vienna, circa 1985. We were told they ment to be urban transport for the handicaped.
Beautiful & cute little bus, anyway - so 1970s!
Hello1 Yes, they were cute buses!! Thanks very much for watching!!
Another good video Jeffrey...happy new year....
Hello! Thank you, very glad you liked the video and thanks very much for watching again!!
Just found this channel what great videos kudos man you’re doing a great job😊😊
Hello! Thank you so much for the nice words, I'm really happy you like my videos, and thanks very much for watching!!
The last Omni sold in the UK was S922 JSH purchased by Scottish Borders Council for use on Day Care transport. Iveco engine and manual gearbox. DVLA has it on SORN so it is still out there somewhere.
Thanks for the additional info on the Omni! Thanks very much for watching!
Jeffrey, you are a gem!
Thank-you!
Thank you very much, John, I appreciate the nice words! Thanks very much for watching again!!
Its one fine Steyr wedge that's for sure.
LOL, yes it is! Thanks very much for watching!!
They look like great little vehicles. Happy New Year to you all!
Happy New Year to you, too! Thanks very much for watching!!
Superb as ever Jeffrey 👌 hopefully you'll do a best of video or compilation as a look back on your 2024 videos.
Hello! Great to hear you liked the video! Will think about the compilation video idea! Thanks very much for watching!!
Another interesting look into oddities in the bus world. I remember the Puch name as a child but heard it pronounced 'Pooch'.
The half cab and small wheels make it look futuristic. It would seem in place in a futuristic science-fiction film or childrens animation! The panoramic version looks more sensible. It certainly has a market, airports and tourist vehicles etc. Didn't notice the UK connection, until mentioned, but remember these more sensible versions. Great stuff!
Hello! Very glad you liked the video!! Puch is not really known in the USA, so I am not going to pronounce it correctly, LOL. Thanks very much for watching!!
Steyr and Puch are places in Austria that give the company its name. Puch is actually pronounced Puch, with a short U, and not with a ck at the end. Steyr was and is not only known for vehicles, another part of it is involved in the production of rifles, of which the STG 77 is one of the best known. The Steyr gunsmiths sell under the name Steyr-Manlicher.
Really interesting! I've been to Copenhagen and Lucerne and unfortunately did not see this bus. So glad I know about it now. Thanks, Jeffrey, for always putting out engaging content!
Hello! Very glad you liked the video!! Thanks very much for watching!!
Another brilliant and fascinating wee video.......thanks Jeffrey!
Hello! Very glad you found it a very interesting video! Thanks very much for watching again!!
I can still remember those cookie tins well. Walking was more comfortable even in the rain; It was only operated in the city center where there are subways and trams anyway; Vienna isn't that big either; In the summer it was scorching hot inside; I still feel sorry for the drivers today; funny post
Hello! Thanks very much for your memories of the City Bus - very interesting to hear about its use in Vienna! Thanks very much for watching!!
@JeffreyOrnstein was fun to watch
There was a six wheel variant! Awesome 🥹
Yes, the three axle one was quite interesting! Thanks very much for watching!!
A really interesting City Bus which I think was ahead of its time. Perfect for the type of work it was doing. Today a battery electric version of the Steyr could be very successful in today’s environment. ❤
Hello! Yes, an EV version would be a good idea! Thanks very much for watching!!
I owned 2 omni's in my time. one fitted with a landrover defender 2.5 diesel engine, the other started with the same engine but was swapped to a ford transit 2.5di banana engine
Love the utilitarian design. They put some creativity in the plastic molding but the metal plating seems just taken from heavy machinery.
Yes, they tried to create something interesting "on the cheap" LOL. Thanks very much for watching!
I remember seeing one of them in the 2010s parked on a public spot in Simmering, Vienna. It still had its original Wiener Linien livery. I hope it was restored, it seemed in pretty decent condition.
Hello! Yes, hopefully it still exists and in good condition! Thanks very much for watching!!
One of the buses, with the WL number 8386, is operational and is located in the Vienna Tram Museum “Remise”.
I remember we had an Omni at work in the early 1990s as a mobile information unit for disabled people.
Very interesting! Thanks very much for watching!!
The Yard Jockey look is weird but I like it. Might make a nice camper conversion
LOL, I think a few may have been converted to campers, actually! Thanks very much for watching!!
For one only.
I remember this bus from my childhood in Lucerne.
Awesome! Thanks very much for watching!!
Traffic Giant (transit sim game) had these -- my favorite unit :-)
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A Bus not completely looking the Steyr City Bus is the Neoplan MIC (Metroliner In Carbondesign) or N8006, N8008, N8012. The Body of the Bus is made of Fiberglass Composites wich made it very unique compared to other Buses
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It’s a vehicle that could still find a use today in electric form
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What an interesting niche bus
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I have a picture of this Steyr minibus my friend gave me in the letter back in 1993 or 94 and I found it interesting to see the look of this half cab bus, and speaking about minibuses, how about Benz O100 City? I think this even more interesting for me as this is a minibus with unusual six wheels.
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Were the O100 Citys also produced in Spain like the regular vans? It doesn't seem so.
I would like to inform you that in 1988, a bus was produced in Yugoslavia at the TAZ factory under a Steyr license on the basis of the Steyr SCT 6F 65/72 chassis, which has a longer wheelbase and a longer overall length of 5,980 mm with a Mercedes OM 616 engine. Also in TAZ the factory also produced the AVIA A21 TAZ Neretva minibus in cooperation with a Czech partner who relied on the technical documentation on a Steyr minibus. The exact number of vehicles produced is unknown.
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Well also later, the Eurobus factory had built some SC6 F58 looking buses called AE60C ! Two were owned by the Zagreb airport. These were most likely produced 1996. Do you know more details about this 1988 non-Avia TAZ you commented?
Slow means langsam in German, just in Case someone wonders why L stands for slow.
BTW: the Ice Cream Option could make Public Transport more atractive🍦
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I came to live in Luzern (still near there) in March 1989 and the Steyr bus was gone by then. Looking at where the pictures were taken, it might have been that these buses (or this bus) was used to transport tourists from the Hauptbahnhof (main train station) to hotels or something.
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It was a very intressting Video, i knew the Bus before and like it. Neoplan build a similar Bus but with a fullsize cab. First for Westberlin, to transport handycaped people called "Telebus" and later Neoplan was building a bus version as unibus or N906.
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I like this one. It's kind of quirky
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If Seattle had had these available in the early 80's...
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Any chance of you doing a video on Bristol Lodekka's or AEC Renown? 👍
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I had one of those mopeds in 1980 😂😂
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This city bus was great! But some cities drove it on lines with to much traffic - and ifnit was crowded - it was a cruel bus.
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I've always pronounced Puch as "pooch." Have I been saying it incorrect since I spotted a Puch Magnum mkII at a local mall in '79?
@@tedsmart5539 Yes. The vowel is short but similar (so not like in "but"), and the "ch" is like in the word "loch" (like Loch Ness).
I've always pronounced it 'Pook' (with a short vowel sound rather than a long one). Shows how wrong you can be!
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@@JeffreyOrnstein I guess MartinIbert is correct with the ch sound being as in the Scottish 'loch' sound - I think that's how ch is pronounced in German. I'm trying to think of other examples, but failing! Steyr Puch was best known in the UK for the Haflinger off-road vehicle. I have memories from the 1960s of seeing one on TV competing in some form of motor sport, though I can't think what it would have been (and I was very young!).
Steyr and Puch are places in Austria that give the company its name. Puch is actually pronounced Puch, with a short U, and not with a ck.
Good Evening Jeffrey… 👍🇮🇲😁
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I wonder if this bus inspired the OBI Orion II- from Circa 1980- About 1990.
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Happy New Year Jeffrey.
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@@JeffreyOrnsteinMy pleasure,
But it was one of the best ideas and busses in this time!
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Thank you for a great video Jeffrey. Question - what is that awesome fishbowl bus model in your background?
Hello! Glad you liked the video!! The model is a 1/43 scale Iconic Replicas New York City Transit Authority GM TDH-5303. There were three versions - two tone blue, green and silver and the one you see in the video. They were made about 5 years ago. I have all three. Nice display models, but some inaccuracies. Very hard to get today, I would think. They're plastic and were $80 each. Thanks very much for watching!!
Happy new year everyone
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i/m here for the sound effects
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IM IN! Great afternoon vidjayo
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A decent engine, along with modified suspension, would've made the full-frontal version a great motor-home conversion!
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The trio bought by Strathclyde Passenger Transport were even more ahead of their time in that they were battery electric, the only ones so built. However SPT were obliged to tender for an operator on the envisaged route and the potential o[perator could put in a quote for using their own diesel buses rather then the battery electrics, the Glasgow inter-station has some steep battery draining hills and the tender was won by diesel buses. As a result SPT's three never carried passengers and sat for years as a monument to extravagance at the city's main Buchanan bus station.
Most of the British built examples used a Land-Rover engine with a synchromesh gearbox but later ones had a Toyota Coaster engine and automatic transmission.
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Dad had a Puch motor scooter, I would sit on the back, we sold it after he died
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So why does it have a half-cab? From what I can tell, it's either yard trucks (which have a convenient access doors for hooking up trailer connections without dismounting on the other half), or double decker busses (which put loading doors or stairs on the other half) that have them - this one doesn't do either. Can it be used for luggage or something? Was it just grandfathered in from the model it's based on? Weight savings?
Hello! Good question...I couldn't find a direct reason, except that it sounded as if it provided easy access to the engine. But there is probably more to it than that. Thanks very much for watching!!
Where there is an engine-beside driver configuration the half-cab actually makes perfect sense. As Jeffrey says, there is good access to the engine, and there is a weight saving (good for the environment) and also there is good visibility for the driver. Sometimes full-front style bodywork was specified by operators on chassis normally half-cab, and these were not popular with drivers - there was more heat and noise in the cab, and if the nearside windows steamed up they were out of reach from the driving seat. Hong Kong bought a lot of full-front Leylands from Southdown and actually converted some to half-cab, and when the London Routemaster was in the design stage the union insisted in them being half-cabs.
I rode with those a few times while studiying in Vienna - not remarkable from the passenger exerience, meaning nothing bad to report - the route went through the narrow roads of the old center.
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Well if you ever want to look into main land Europe well look into DAB- Silkeborg, they built busses based on Leyland chasssis and engines for a very long time, and was very innovative, not always the best ideas, but they had many. ,
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Looks a little like J F Sebastian’s car from Blade Runner
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Daimler ist pronounced with the A like in Bar! 😉 As an english mothertounge speaker I do not try to teach you the right pronounceation of the german „ch“! 😂
Interresting story. thx 👍🏾😎
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Bay-sil 🤮, great vid with the exception of a few pronouciations
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I want one of these to turn into an AWD EV camper.
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A novel design from an innovative manufacturer. It's off-topic, but their Puch Haflinger was the forerunner of a lot of today's utility ATVs.
One reason why the city bus wasn't a big seller would be economics. Operating costs for a bus can be divided into three categories: capital cost, fuel, and crew. The classic problem for a small vehicle is that the crew element doesn't reduce with the size of the vehicle, and this drives up the total cost per passenger kilometre. Bus operators therefore prefer a uniform fleet of large vehicles, and they'll only use a minibus where they have to run a route that physically can't accommodate a standard vehicle. So, as rational as a city bus may be for some routes, it won't be used unless something overrides the cold hard world of cost accountancy!
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Sorry, but the transmission came from "zed eff" not "zee eff". The company is German, not American.
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The model shown at ua-cam.com/video/X2iAvpJbanY/v-deo.html has New York 'blue on yellow' license plates, so apparently some managed to sneak in. Probably fairly easy now, as long as it isn't a Kei truck in NY ;) Thanks for the video!
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5:19 Malév Hungarian Airlines my beloved airline
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See the Transbus could be built but not the Brock Adams version
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about the right size for Luxemburg
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lol yard goat with a body slapped on it.
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From what I understand Puch is pronounced 'Pooch', like a small dog/hound?
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Steyr and Puch are places in Austria that give the company its name. Puch is actually pronounced Puch, with a short U, and not with a ck at the end.
Steyr was and is not only known for vehicles, another part of it is involved in the production of rifles, of which the STG 77 is one of the best known. The Steyr gunsmiths sell under the name Steyr-Manlicher.
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Yikes. Great content, but the sound effects in the transitions are annoying!
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You went: too loud, too varied and too frequent with the transition sound effects. Despite the topics being interesting, I considered not watching it to the end because I was annoyed.
I'm very sorry you disliked my video. I'm sure there's many other better videos out there for you to watch that won't offend your senses.