Agree with all. I fixed buffeting myself quite easily but no Apple Car Play is insane. The influx of demos was great for us as we paid 85K incl stamp duty and rego for a Sep 2019 plate car with 550km on the clock a year later. Saved 20K on a GTS with alcantara vs new. Lost a year of warranty but with 550km, might as well have been new. Launch control is total garbage, more so now with an extra 150hp, so launch in 2nd with everything off against the foot brake. Much better
Things i most love about this channel The selection of cars and just the Honesty... no sugar coating or BS, its just straight to the point and covers the main bits we all need to know, its not too little information and its not too much information Keep up the great work Paul and I hope to see this channel pass 100k and maybe, just maybe get on the road to a Million
Im surprised to learn you love sound systems, I do too and thats the one thing I wish you would touch more on in your reviews, the brand and sound quality etc. Thanks for the vid
@@CarExpertAus I put a lot of emphasis on acoustics and sound systems on a car (and even on phone, tv or computer). it would be great if car reviewers focused on the acoustics aspects more.
Shamefully, it does make me feel a bit better to know that even owners of cars costing over $100K get pissed off at the same things I do with my Pulsar
I got my 2020 Supra in the first round that shipped out and its been an absolute beast. As far as your criticisms they are all accurate however for the majority of people who buy this car, the sound system, infotainment and the rest are not really why we got the car. Here is my take: Wind Buffeting: I spent a couple hundred bucks on sweet carbon fiber stick on air displacers by the mirror and the buffeting is completely gone. They should fix it on that sweet hard top removable + manual version that's for sure coming out... The Sound System: Its not terrible, if you want *great* replace it, this is true of almost any car below 100k and many above that number. Performance first. Screen Brightness: Never been an issue, driven east coast to west coast round trip (in US) twice now. Never noticed. No Apple CarPlay/Online Services: Didn't know that was a thing. Launch Control: Launch control sucks and will always suck on this car for reason's you mentioned, however you can get well under advertised times, even faster 0-60 on the 2020 vs 2021 by learning to launch it yourself. Resale Value: If you want resale value buy a Subaru, if you want one of the most unique and fun touring cars that does all the things a small sports coup should and looks good doing it, buy a supra and kiss your money goodbye, especially since you won't be able to help yourself from modding it. Verdict: Bad ass car, need manual option eventually but still a rare treasure of a car in the dying sports car market.
Good content piece, anyone can read a brochure or regurgitate a manufacturers spec list, but it's the day to day driving that gives an owner some value of their purchase, which you captured well here for the Supra. I thoroughly enjoyed the depth of your recent Carnival review (currently have one on order) but it was very evident that you wouldn't be the type of individual to actually purchase one (which is fine) but you miss some of the 'features' that may be of benefit or even cause issues for those wanting to live with the day to day of the vehicle.
Honestly,for the money of the supra i can think of two options that work better imo. Either you get yourself a Mk 4 or even 3 second hand OR buy a Golf RR Mk 7.5 and do some very nice modification on it with body kits and power
About the wind buffeting and sound system, I'm guessing that Toyota requires all their drivers to wear helmets during driving tests and so thats why they didn't pick up the issues. If they did all their testing in Japan, then thats the case. They wear helmets ALL the TIME in Japan for everything. Its like "Ok, today we test the sound system" (drivers all put their helmets on). Yoshi says "But we can't hear the stereo with our helmets on" (Boss checks with insurance company about not wearing helmet and returns the next day) "Sorry team, we MUST wear helmets when driving the cars or we're not covered if there is an accident" THATS Japan.
I've got a taste for a quality sound system too. A few manufacturers are using stickers to bling it but sound quality is rubbish. VW are you listening 😆
Another great video, this is the kind of information i want when buying a car not the 1000s of 0-100 drag races that in the real world dont count for much
You talking about subscribers make me check your subs and it's under 100k that's like a big surprise for me because of the quality of content you are packing! This channel is massively underrated. Keep up the good work guys! ❤️
TBH. Resale value took a hit before the car was even released when they opted for a BMW drivetrain. This stigma will take more than just a collab to remedy.
Love your work Paul...Keep it up....Greetings from a Kiwi Mk 7 R owner 👍...Very interesting video and agree Toyota did a bad job on yhe practicality part of the Supra....but looks great and drives well 👌
Paul Maric - You are by far one of the better car reviewers in Australia. I am generally not a fan of Aust car reviews because they often appear disingenuous or worse captured by vested interests (e.g. junkets or freebies from the manufacturers). Much appreciate your work.
Would love to see a Dragparison of your Supra against the Nissan 400z when it is out. Also could do one pitting it directly against its sister car the Z4 roaster.
The Supra is an awesome car, but watching this video makes me even happier with my BMW M140i. None of these problems, identical drivetrain and tech, more practical, and only half the price. The Supra does look cooler though for sure :)
Nice drive Paul with refreshing honesty from a motoring journo - I’ve owned a WRX, Nissan Godzilla, BRZ and a vintage Supra which I thought for the little tech it had was a fun drivers car with that beautiful six-cylinder note and non-turbo horsepower. Toyota is a ‘Jekyll and Hyde’ brand as it consistently holds world leading reliability and practicality status but a scrooge on fitment options and functions as you stated with the info system - for a 100000k price tag that is BS! - the buffeting also occurred with my 2004 XT Turbo Forester but easily fixed - yes the depreciation is cruel but I got lucky with the Nissan Godzilla - now I’m a pedestrian Hilux owner due to changing lifestyle and a vehicle choice deal-breaker for me was safe placement of cup holders in right side upper dash 👍🏻 - look forward to your 2021 content - John in SA.
Wind buffeting not too much of an issue here in Sydney where you drive mostly at 70km/h or under. Agree the sound system is abysmal for a close to AUD$100k vehicle (Tinny is a word that comes to mind) Like yourself I find it annoying that Toyota Oz didn't bring Carplay down under..there should no conceivable reason why that is. It is literally a software update on the iDrive 6.0 system. Launch control is useless and you're better off doing it yourself. MY19 Supras are now very sought after because the ECU is currently unlockable on the post June build MY20 Supras.
How do you get on with the tiny fuel tank size? Many cars have the buffeting issue. A design issue to put the driver off driving with windows down and reducing fuel efficiency?
Test drove one last week. I prefer to call it character. For me it has two big positives for me ride and looks. I agree many negatives , think wind buffering is the major one.. I kind of like that in the UK I have not actually seen one on the road.
I have the Supra 2021 A91 Edition Nytro Yellow. Screen in the car is to dark to see even with the brightness on max and only good to look at at night. Car has major blind spots. It is a fun beautiful car though and very fast, maybe too much for this old codger.
My 2012 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T actually has almost no wind buffeting even if I have one window all the way down and the other all the way up. In addition, I can have both windows all way down going 80MPH on the interstate without wind blowing my hair around.
Hi Paul. Quickly, you are a bit repetitive in the things you say - no I’m not a motoring journalist, nor someone who speaks on camera but you tend to get to your point, which is fantastic; but then repeat it again in a round about way. Other than that you do a great job in your videos. Regarding the Supra, it’s a shame Toyota had decided to update the car for the next year, or at least state it (!) but a life cycle shouldn’t be so short especially if, for a market like Australia it does take 4-6-8-12 months for a car to launch in the country. That’s the only gripe. It would be as if Audi launch the RS3 in the press in January, the car is available in April; then an update is launched in November and Australia receives the new RS3 in February the following year! This was a bit like what Skoda had done years ago due to the demand in Europe but the bosses at VAG AU decided otherwise! 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Good honest review would like to know more about your thoughts on the no manual option and how the transmission is. For $110k id much rather buy a used Porsche or other sports car rather than a rebadged BMW
Great review as always Paul, but maybe you should have mentioned the proliferation of fake vents all around! I took a mate to check one out and although he's not necessarily a 'car guy', it was the first (and most) mentioned flawed detail that got his attention.
Paul, when reviewing new cars, please say if it has an electronic parking brake, or a old style, manual one. Please mention the engine RPM at 100km/hr freeway speed. Advise about using the auto to slow the car, when a red light is up ahead. I know autos are poor at engine retardation, but it can save brake friction material. When cars are produced in 2021, please look at lower end cars, Corollas, Kia, etc, that most people buy. Some comment on the Toyota CVT with the conventional launch gear to aid the CVT, would be technically nice.
Well done Paul. Appreciate the honest take. The wind buffeting issue is a head scratcher and crazy they didn't address it with the new model update. I think the strategy of Toyota to add feature a the car should have had day one, each model year will hurt sales. As you pointed out with yours, its like they are punishing the loyal, early on supporters and rewarding those that wait. I don't like that.
Welcome to the world of BMW!!! 1. Wind buffeting is quite common on quite a few BMWs. 2. Sound system has always been average on BMWs... despite JBL or Harman/Kardon (same company) 3. Think screen brightness is very specific to Supra.. 4. That's really poor from Toyota Australia 5. Launch control on the ZF gearbox is quite average... I had a M235i a few years back with a tune... and I struggled to get to claimed times... it's often faster NOT using LC. 6. Think it is the general case for cars in this price range, especially euro brands! It's a massive problem I have with Audi, Mercedes, BMWs. M2 competition was $120k rrp all those people who jumped in at the start had no discounts... after 6-12 months, you could get one heavily discounts at high $90s or low 100 (but people who don't know it's common to get 20% off gets screwed as well). It screws with customers resale value. People who put their cars on carsales now is struggling to sell... as they took 20k off their purchase price... but unknowing to them people pay 20% less only a few months after them... or they can get a brand new one for the same price. So there are people who paid 120k and people who paid 100k... probably same year model... and both have their cars on carsales for 90k... one will lose 30k after 18 months and other 10k. Unlike Tesla or Porsche... nothing is discounted ever!! So car holds it's true value, rather than distorted value.
For the wind noise thing you can get some wind deflector I saw someone else get and that fixes the problem. If you haven't already you should look into it
Strange there isn't a separate brightness adjuster in the screen and why not use the traffic alert inbedded in radio signals? My 4 year old car has both these features! Here's hoping the 2nd gen BRZ / 86 don't have similar avoidable issues.
Your point about the wind buffeting and hundreds of thousands of hours of testing etc etc is exactly the way I feel about whoever let the Mitsubishi Triton design/aesthetics get put into production. Yuck....that being said, great vid :) !
Appreciated the video, but this massive worrying about depreciation seems to be incredibly anxiety inducing. I used to get similar feelings. At this point if Id had such thoughts about a purchase Id rather not have one at all. Somehow makes it seem more like an Excel than enjoying life and being a car guy. Take care, have fun!
A dial for screen brightness....I don't know modern cars very well but that seems weird....you would think it would normally be in the touch screen system settings?
Supra Owner here - My largest gripe is if you're out driving on a beautiful summers day, windows down, and you go to spray your windshield, as one does, you will 1003% get soaked by the windscreen washer fluid flowing up the windshield and down into to cabin through the open window. You'll arrive where ever you're going looking like your drive was a little TOO exciting
Don’t get too salty about Supra connect app. I hear a bit broken and have to register twice for a start. I’m sure like my GT86 some of the app will expire too in a few years which is immensely frustrating. We also don’t get the newer GR Supra here in the U.K but oddly just had the 2.0 announced. I think Toyota is planning to update each year like you said so price will drop a bit.
I originally started watching this channel because you did a long review on the Subaru Forester while most other channels in Australia had only created little 5 minute videos which were barely worth watching. Your review was detailed and enjoyable and after comparing the other mid size SUV’s in the market and a few test drives, I ended up buying one and it’s due for delivery end of Feb 2020. Your opinion as well as other videos you did on SUV’s helped me make what I consider to be a well informed decision which I think will work out great. Please keep up the detailed long reviews. They are really good to watch and I think other channels/sites really do a disservice to customers by not doing their job as well as you do.
For your sound system you should try Bimmercode and disable the ASD / Active Sound Design. This will remove a lot of distortion that is made by the fake engine noise produced by your radio. Same for screen brightness, you can adjust a settings there to make it brighter (Can't recall the setting name). As for what I don't like about mine: Trunk doesn't have an open button on the back. No way to adjust auto turn off feature. I would like it to kick in like a second later, I've had it kick in while I'm not 100% stopped and feels odd. No android auto, huge turn off that I didn't even thought of searching before.
NOT HAPPY Toyota. This Supra 'Demonstrater' situation is caring for customers at its worst. Won't be buying Toyota any time soon. Thanks for the 'heads-up' on these issues Paul.
The problem is not that it is toyotas product but rather bmws, it's literally a bmw in every aspect especially build quality, my moms 2018 camry xse is much much better in terms of quality comparing to this abomination
I went to look at one . First walk up ,I'm amazed ..its so tiny. I didn't even want to drive it . I'll keep my old 6 speed vette, thanks. Not sure bout that motor either. Cheers from here.
Any chance the 2019-2020 versions of GTS will have the option of getting Apple CarPlay as a dealer update now that the 2022 model is announced to have that feature from factory? Or what’s the best way to activate that damn thing? Any help would be much appreciated.
Would def like a brief opinion on sound quality in future reviews. My rx8 Bose sound system is pretty average even though it’s upgraded from factory. My Mrs stock fiesta sound system sounds amazing. Go figure
Great to drive, however I can’t deal with the impractical nature and styling of this car. I’m obviously not the target market for this. Keep up the good work Paul.
I'd like to see Chris absolutely rag your car with you in it (tho probably only when the tires are about to be replaced). On a serious note, get Chris to do a hot lap on totally wrecked tires and then on new ones (in the wet, if you guys get rain), to show us how bad/not bad old tires are
Just wondering if you think 70k is a good price for one with under 15k KMs or are they just bad investments at that point. Now that it's been another 8 months how do you feel about it since the resale value is so bad would I need to look at just keeping it for a long time
If you buy a new car you lose money, it’s sucks what Toyota has done though. lesson is don’t buy a new car. Though you could argue if we enthusiasts don’t buy new cars, car manufacturers will stop making cars like this, which is valid. But I’m not willing to be the one to lose money. Also first releases of models always have annoying issues like this, hence it’s always a gamble buying a brand new release model before the manufacturer has refined it. Great work Paul, you’re in my top 5 favorite car journos
Test drove the 2019 Z4 M40i. Nearly bought it but at just 5’11” my head was almost the same height of the roll bar. Ended up getting a 2019 F-type Jag coupe
Now that's it's 2024, used Supras retain far more of their value than Tesla model 3s. Of course, there have been no further power increases but fortunately, handling is noticeably better, starting with the 2023 model.
G'day Paul, completely off topic.... have you driven the Peugeot 3008 yet? The wife has asked me to check out a review,yet to find one and I'm not quite mobile enough to test one out yet 🙄
I bet the wind buffetting thing was noticed but it adds 0.1% more drag and messes with fuel economy or some BS enviro thing. Someone probably said "most people will drive with windows up"
The Supra is obviously a nice, fast car. My only problem with it is the existence of barely used BMW M4s at the same price, a car which has all the performance of the Supra and none of the things I dislike about the Supra (wind buffeting, weird exterior styling, fake vents). Honestly, I would actually buy the Yaris GR if I wanted a Toyota sports car.
Looks at the $3.92 in my bank account “Good thing I didn’t buy the Supra last year and I can get the new one!!!”
I’ve actually got $12.76 in my account you peasant
Same here mate lol
@@shoaib3385 i've got $12.77 in my account you peasant
Paul Maric you are the best car reviewer in Australia, keep up the good work!
Cheers mate!
Agree with all. I fixed buffeting myself quite easily but no Apple Car Play is insane. The influx of demos was great for us as we paid 85K incl stamp duty and rego for a Sep 2019 plate car with 550km on the clock a year later. Saved 20K on a GTS with alcantara vs new. Lost a year of warranty but with 550km, might as well have been new. Launch control is total garbage, more so now with an extra 150hp, so launch in 2nd with everything off against the foot brake. Much better
Thanks for the feedback! And you got a great price - good job!
So should i buy supra?
@@narcotic_oa7916 don’t be stupid, buy a 20k car and save 60k which you can put down for a house loan or invest
@@animalscars3799 already bought it 😁
@@animalscars3799 i own a house and I’m studying right now, when I ever finish from college i will consider investing 🤍
Things i most love about this channel
The selection of cars and just the Honesty... no sugar coating or BS, its just straight to the point and covers the main bits we all need to know, its not too little information and its not too much information
Keep up the great work Paul and I hope to see this channel pass 100k and maybe, just maybe get on the road to a Million
Im surprised to learn you love sound systems, I do too and thats the one thing I wish you would touch more on in your reviews, the brand and sound quality etc. Thanks for the vid
I’d like to - the problem is it’s hard to convey on video. We are looking at shooting a video on this topic though, so stay tuned 😁
@@CarExpertAus I put a lot of emphasis on acoustics and sound systems on a car (and even on phone, tv or computer). it would be great if car reviewers focused on the acoustics aspects more.
@@the80386 Check out the savagegeese youtube channel, he probably does the most analytical and concise segment on sound systems and dynamics in cars
@@CarExpertAus stay tuned I caught that good one
@@CarExpertAus just your opinion of the sound system would be fine, just do it on every car and we will get the idea!
Screen fix can be done by a obd plug, streetfx did this fix with theirs.
Lets not forget about the fake vents
Actually you can do it in the infotainment as well, if i remember this correctly. But in mine I didnt need to change it anyway.
Shamefully, it does make me feel a bit better to know that even owners of cars costing over $100K get pissed off at the same things I do with my Pulsar
Lol
😅😅
Miss my brand new 1999 N15 S2 SSS, luckily I sold it for good $$$ back in 06 cos they are worth about $2,500 now 🤪 I would have felt your pain.
yeah you do mean unashamedly hahahaha
It fascinates me how much the Canadian and Australian car markets are similar in lots of ways, it's one of the reasons I love this channel.
I got my 2020 Supra in the first round that shipped out and its been an absolute beast. As far as your criticisms they are all accurate however for the majority of people who buy this car, the sound system, infotainment and the rest are not really why we got the car.
Here is my take:
Wind Buffeting: I spent a couple hundred bucks on sweet carbon fiber stick on air displacers by the mirror and the buffeting is completely gone. They should fix it on that sweet hard top removable + manual version that's for sure coming out...
The Sound System: Its not terrible, if you want *great* replace it, this is true of almost any car below 100k and many above that number. Performance first.
Screen Brightness: Never been an issue, driven east coast to west coast round trip (in US) twice now. Never noticed.
No Apple CarPlay/Online Services: Didn't know that was a thing.
Launch Control: Launch control sucks and will always suck on this car for reason's you mentioned, however you can get well under advertised times, even faster 0-60 on the 2020 vs 2021 by learning to launch it yourself.
Resale Value: If you want resale value buy a Subaru, if you want one of the most unique and fun touring cars that does all the things a small sports coup should and looks good doing it, buy a supra and kiss your money goodbye, especially since you won't be able to help yourself from modding it.
Verdict: Bad ass car, need manual option eventually but still a rare treasure of a car in the dying sports car market.
Good content piece, anyone can read a brochure or regurgitate a manufacturers spec list, but it's the day to day driving that gives an owner some value of their purchase, which you captured well here for the Supra. I thoroughly enjoyed the depth of your recent Carnival review (currently have one on order) but it was very evident that you wouldn't be the type of individual to actually purchase one (which is fine) but you miss some of the 'features' that may be of benefit or even cause issues for those wanting to live with the day to day of the vehicle.
What's hilarious is Toyota puts a wind vortex generator on the Toyota Hillix.
Hah you’re right!
Honestly,for the money of the supra i can think of two options that work better imo. Either you get yourself a Mk 4 or even 3 second hand OR buy a Golf RR Mk 7.5 and do some very nice modification on it with body kits and power
For that money I’d personally go for a second hand evora with a manny or a m2 also in a manny
It has character and is unique, sport cars are about emotion, look at the Italian car heritage 😊 in years to come it will be a classic.
About the wind buffeting and sound system, I'm guessing that Toyota requires all their drivers to wear helmets during driving tests and so thats why they didn't pick up the issues. If they did all their testing in Japan, then thats the case. They wear helmets ALL the TIME in Japan for everything. Its like "Ok, today we test the sound system" (drivers all put their helmets on). Yoshi says "But we can't hear the stereo with our helmets on" (Boss checks with insurance company about not wearing helmet and returns the next day) "Sorry team, we MUST wear helmets when driving the cars or we're not covered if there is an accident" THATS Japan.
I've got a taste for a quality sound system too.
A few manufacturers are using stickers to bling it but sound quality is rubbish. VW are you listening 😆
I need to hear the bass!
The UA-cam channel Street FX Motorsport turned up the brightness of the screens with an OBD tool.
Mark’s a good mate of mine! I’ll ask him for the details 😁
Or use BimmerCode, code the shyte out of it, proper personalisation.
Another great video, this is the kind of information i want when buying a car not the 1000s of 0-100 drag races that in the real world dont count for much
Thanks for watching 😁
Wow Paul, you must be doing very well in this new channel of yours, buying 2 cars worth over aud$100k per car...well done & congrats!:)
I have an M140i and without any doubt Sports+ starting from 2nd gear kills launch control every time. I’m sure it will be the same for the Supra.
You talking about subscribers make me check your subs and it's under 100k that's like a big surprise for me because of the quality of content you are packing! This channel is massively underrated. Keep up the good work guys! ❤️
TBH. Resale value took a hit before the car was even released when they opted for a BMW drivetrain. This stigma will take more than just a collab to remedy.
Love your work Paul...Keep it up....Greetings from a Kiwi Mk 7 R owner 👍...Very interesting video and agree Toyota did a bad job on yhe practicality part of the Supra....but looks great and drives well 👌
Paul Maric - You are by far one of the better car reviewers in Australia. I am generally not a fan of Aust car reviews because they often appear disingenuous or worse captured by vested interests (e.g. junkets or freebies from the manufacturers). Much appreciate your work.
Would love to see a Dragparison of your Supra against the Nissan 400z when it is out. Also could do one pitting it directly against its sister car the Z4 roaster.
Great idea!
go to a tuner, they can tune out the TC so you can get cleaner launches.
The Supra is an awesome car, but watching this video makes me even happier with my BMW M140i. None of these problems, identical drivetrain and tech, more practical, and only half the price. The Supra does look cooler though for sure :)
OK that front license plate placement is killing my OCD.
And it's friggin huge.
Nice drive Paul with refreshing honesty from a motoring journo - I’ve owned a WRX, Nissan Godzilla, BRZ and a vintage Supra which I thought for the little tech it had was a fun drivers car with that beautiful six-cylinder note and non-turbo horsepower. Toyota is a ‘Jekyll and Hyde’ brand as it consistently holds world leading reliability and practicality status but a scrooge on fitment options and functions as you stated with the info system - for a 100000k price tag that is BS! - the buffeting also occurred with my 2004 XT Turbo Forester but easily fixed - yes the depreciation is cruel but I got lucky with the Nissan Godzilla - now I’m a pedestrian Hilux owner due to changing lifestyle and a vehicle choice deal-breaker for me was safe placement of cup holders in right side upper dash 👍🏻 - look forward to your 2021 content - John in SA.
Wind buffeting not too much of an issue here in Sydney where you drive mostly at 70km/h or under.
Agree the sound system is abysmal for a close to AUD$100k vehicle (Tinny is a word that comes to mind)
Like yourself I find it annoying that Toyota Oz didn't bring Carplay down under..there should no conceivable reason why that is.
It is literally a software update on the iDrive 6.0 system.
Launch control is useless and you're better off doing it yourself.
MY19 Supras are now very sought after because the ECU is currently unlockable on the post June build MY20 Supras.
I did hear about that! I wonder how long it’ll be until somebody cracks the code on the MY21 ECUs.
How do you get on with the tiny fuel tank size?
Many cars have the buffeting issue. A design issue to put the driver off driving with windows down and reducing fuel efficiency?
Test drove one last week.
I prefer to call it character. For me it has two big positives for me ride and looks. I agree many negatives , think wind buffering is the major one.. I kind of like that in the UK I have not actually seen one on the road.
I have the Supra 2021 A91 Edition Nytro Yellow. Screen in the car is to dark to see even with the brightness on max and only good to look at at night. Car has major blind spots. It is a fun beautiful car though and very fast, maybe too much for this old codger.
My 2012 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T actually has almost no wind buffeting even if I have one window all the way down and the other all the way up. In addition, I can have both windows all way down going 80MPH on the interstate without wind blowing my hair around.
Hi Paul.
Quickly, you are a bit repetitive in the things you say - no I’m not a motoring journalist, nor someone who speaks on camera but you tend to get to your point, which is fantastic; but then repeat it again in a round about way.
Other than that you do a great job in your videos. Regarding the Supra, it’s a shame Toyota had decided to update the car for the next year, or at least state it (!) but a life cycle shouldn’t be so short especially if, for a market like Australia it does take 4-6-8-12 months for a car to launch in the country.
That’s the only gripe. It would be as if Audi launch the RS3 in the press in January, the car is available in April; then an update is launched in November and Australia receives the new RS3 in February the following year! This was a bit like what Skoda had done years ago due to the demand in Europe but the bosses at VAG AU decided otherwise! 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Good honest review would like to know more about your thoughts on the no manual option and how the transmission is. For $110k id much rather buy a used Porsche or other sports car rather than a rebadged BMW
Open the passenger window slightly and the windbuffeting stops
Great review as always Paul, but maybe you should have mentioned the proliferation of fake vents all around! I took a mate to check one out and although he's not necessarily a 'car guy', it was the first (and most) mentioned flawed detail that got his attention.
Yeah the fake vents are silly!
Paul, when reviewing new cars, please say if it has an electronic parking brake, or a old style, manual one.
Please mention the engine RPM at 100km/hr freeway speed.
Advise about using the auto to slow the car, when a red light is up ahead.
I know autos are poor at engine retardation, but it can save brake friction material.
When cars are produced in 2021, please look at lower end cars, Corollas, Kia, etc, that most people buy.
Some comment on the Toyota CVT with the conventional launch gear to aid the CVT, would be technically nice.
Well done Paul. Appreciate the honest take. The wind buffeting issue is a head scratcher and crazy they didn't address it with the new model update. I think the strategy of Toyota to add feature a the car should have had day one, each model year will hurt sales. As you pointed out with yours, its like they are punishing the loyal, early on supporters and rewarding those that wait. I don't like that.
Welcome to the world of BMW!!!
1. Wind buffeting is quite common on quite a few BMWs.
2. Sound system has always been average on BMWs... despite JBL or Harman/Kardon (same company)
3. Think screen brightness is very specific to Supra..
4. That's really poor from Toyota Australia
5. Launch control on the ZF gearbox is quite average... I had a M235i a few years back with a tune... and I struggled to get to claimed times... it's often faster NOT using LC.
6. Think it is the general case for cars in this price range, especially euro brands! It's a massive problem I have with Audi, Mercedes, BMWs. M2 competition was $120k rrp all those people who jumped in at the start had no discounts... after 6-12 months, you could get one heavily discounts at high $90s or low 100 (but people who don't know it's common to get 20% off gets screwed as well). It screws with customers resale value. People who put their cars on carsales now is struggling to sell... as they took 20k off their purchase price... but unknowing to them people pay 20% less only a few months after them... or they can get a brand new one for the same price. So there are people who paid 120k and people who paid 100k... probably same year model... and both have their cars on carsales for 90k... one will lose 30k after 18 months and other 10k.
Unlike Tesla or Porsche... nothing is discounted ever!! So car holds it's true value, rather than distorted value.
Good work on the videos! really happy there is an AUS review on the cars available locally for us. Keep it up :)
idk if it works with the Supra but other 4 window cars you can just wind down another window a little bit and the buffeting goes away
It's great to hear the cons as well as the pros. Thanks for the video.
For the wind noise thing you can get some wind deflector I saw someone else get and that fixes the problem. If you haven't already you should look into it
Hey man, if you don't like it...I will take it :D
I wonder if this model gives any innovative ways to develop a convertible sport coupe at a similar price as UX.
I hope so!
Strange there isn't a separate brightness adjuster in the screen and why not use the traffic alert inbedded in radio signals? My 4 year old car has both these features! Here's hoping the 2nd gen BRZ / 86 don't have similar avoidable issues.
Your point about the wind buffeting and hundreds of thousands of hours of testing etc etc is exactly the way I feel about whoever let the Mitsubishi Triton design/aesthetics get put into production. Yuck....that being said, great vid :) !
Wonder what will happen when the 400z arrives
1:16... Ahhhhhh good ol promaja! IYKYK.
Haha
Love the rego plate.
No manual is a HUGE one for a “drivers car”
Appreciated the video, but this massive worrying about depreciation seems to be incredibly anxiety inducing. I used to get similar feelings. At this point if Id had such thoughts about a purchase Id rather not have one at all. Somehow makes it seem more like an Excel than enjoying life and being a car guy. Take care, have fun!
Thanks 🙏🏻 for the information. I’m taking my deposit back! I’ve already experienced the wind problem with a Mazda in the past.
Every car I’ve owned has it. Even my new MB.
A dial for screen brightness....I don't know modern cars very well but that seems weird....you would think it would normally be in the touch screen system settings?
Not a fan of the number plate side mount. Looks temporary or something.
Yeah it’s unfortunate because the Japanese plates are so big. Centrally mounted it covers most of the centre air dam.
Supra Owner here - My largest gripe is if you're out driving on a beautiful summers day, windows down, and you go to spray your windshield, as one does, you will 1003% get soaked by the windscreen washer fluid flowing up the windshield and down into to cabin through the open window.
You'll arrive where ever you're going looking like your drive was a little TOO exciting
@CarExpert what tyres/sizes are you running on your Supra. Also, got any recommendations on sound upgrades?
Don’t get too salty about Supra connect app. I hear a bit broken and have to register twice for a start. I’m sure like my GT86 some of the app will expire too in a few years which is immensely frustrating. We also don’t get the newer GR Supra here in the U.K but oddly just had the 2.0 announced. I think Toyota is planning to update each year like you said so price will drop a bit.
What happened to Toyota lean?
I originally started watching this channel because you did a long review on the Subaru Forester while most other channels in Australia had only created little 5 minute videos which were barely worth watching. Your review was detailed and enjoyable and after comparing the other mid size SUV’s in the market and a few test drives, I ended up buying one and it’s due for delivery end of Feb 2020. Your opinion as well as other videos you did on SUV’s helped me make what I consider to be a well informed decision which I think will work out great.
Please keep up the detailed long reviews. They are really good to watch and I think other channels/sites really do a disservice to customers by not doing their job as well as you do.
Good points on the resale.
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For your sound system you should try Bimmercode and disable the ASD / Active Sound Design. This will remove a lot of distortion that is made by the fake engine noise produced by your radio. Same for screen brightness, you can adjust a settings there to make it brighter (Can't recall the setting name).
As for what I don't like about mine:
Trunk doesn't have an open button on the back.
No way to adjust auto turn off feature. I would like it to kick in like a second later, I've had it kick in while I'm not 100% stopped and feels odd.
No android auto, huge turn off that I didn't even thought of searching before.
Thanks for this. The only things that might bother me would be the wind buffeting and the dim screen
NOT HAPPY Toyota. This Supra 'Demonstrater' situation is caring for customers at its worst. Won't be buying Toyota any time soon. Thanks for the 'heads-up' on these issues Paul.
The problem is not that it is toyotas product but rather bmws, it's literally a bmw in every aspect especially build quality, my moms 2018 camry xse is much much better in terms of quality comparing to this abomination
I went to look at one . First walk up ,I'm amazed ..its so tiny. I didn't even want to drive it . I'll keep my old 6 speed vette, thanks. Not sure bout that motor either. Cheers from here.
Good video, the manual transmission should fix the launch control.
Saving right now to try to get the last year Supra GR(MN maybe?) in 2025 really hope they fix some of these issues with each iteration.
Any chance the 2019-2020 versions of GTS will have the option of getting Apple CarPlay as a dealer update now that the 2022 model is announced to have that feature from factory?
Or what’s the best way to activate that damn thing? Any help would be much appreciated.
If you turn off the surround and mess with the EQ, it actually can sound much better and not distort
That's a great review. I'm definitely going to take those points into account, specially the high levels of depreciation.
Thanks! And yes, it’s a killer 😭
Would def like a brief opinion on sound quality in future reviews.
My rx8 Bose sound system is pretty average even though it’s upgraded from factory. My Mrs stock fiesta sound system sounds amazing. Go figure
Wonder when the Toyota Supra
GR///MN will be out
Its said to be released in 2023.
what is the writing at the top of the license plate?
Great to drive, however I can’t deal with the impractical nature and styling of this car. I’m obviously not the target market for this. Keep up the good work Paul.
Thanks for watching!
You have done an amazing review on parking technology, please do a review of blind spot monitoring.
Thanks mate! We are hoping to do a video on car safety tech soon!
I'd like to see Chris absolutely rag your car with you in it (tho probably only when the tires are about to be replaced). On a serious note, get Chris to do a hot lap on totally wrecked tires and then on new ones (in the wet, if you guys get rain), to show us how bad/not bad old tires are
Review the Musso and the new GMW ute please :)
Cannon review lobbing next week!
@@CarExpertAus awesome. Looking forward to it!
Polarized lense please, very important for window shots ect
Just wondering if you think 70k is a good price for one with under 15k KMs or are they just bad investments at that point. Now that it's been another 8 months how do you feel about it since the resale value is so bad would I need to look at just keeping it for a long time
Here in belgium the resale is very high... a new 3.0 costs 70.000euro new and 60.000 used, a 2.0 is 53.000 new and 50000 used :/
If you buy a new car you lose money, it’s sucks what Toyota has done though. lesson is don’t buy a new car. Though you could argue if we enthusiasts don’t buy new cars, car manufacturers will stop making cars like this, which is valid. But I’m not willing to be the one to lose money. Also first releases of models always have annoying issues like this, hence it’s always a gamble buying a brand new release model before the manufacturer has refined it. Great work Paul, you’re in my top 5 favorite car journos
The number plate just tops it. 10/10. P.s. think I saw you in South Melbourne a few weeks back.
Test drove the 2019 Z4 M40i. Nearly bought it but at just 5’11” my head was almost the same height of the roll bar. Ended up getting a 2019 F-type Jag coupe
Best of luck with the Jag! :) they can be a bit temperamental beasts though.
@@the80386 Thank you. Had the headlights replaced under warranty. Apart from that it's been running well for 11 months
That's good to hear mate. F-types sound glorious don't they!
Now that's it's 2024, used Supras retain far more of their value than Tesla model 3s. Of course, there have been no further power increases but fortunately, handling is noticeably better, starting with the 2023 model.
G'day Paul, completely off topic.... have you driven the Peugeot 3008 yet?
The wife has asked me to check out a review,yet to find one and I'm not quite mobile enough to test one out yet 🙄
Not just yet! Hoping to get our hands on one soon. It looks sensational!
@@CarExpertAus that's what she said! Cheers for getting back to me, hopefully soon 👍
All your complaints are valid. Better luck in 2022.
You got a phantom, don't worry about the resale value. They are more rare than the limited editions and a91 of either color.
The sound system could be a problem with the amplifier perhaps the gain is cranked up too high
you may be on to something
I bet the wind buffetting thing was noticed but it adds 0.1% more drag and messes with fuel economy or some BS enviro thing. Someone probably said "most people will drive with windows up"
How about strapping a decent turbo to it and none of that stuff matters. Get a gr yaris for daily driver.
Can you tell us about the mark levinson system in the new IS?
what is paint color on that? can wraps duplicate that ? if so what color scale
The Supra is obviously a nice, fast car. My only problem with it is the existence of barely used BMW M4s at the same price, a car which has all the performance of the Supra and none of the things I dislike about the Supra (wind buffeting, weird exterior styling, fake vents). Honestly, I would actually buy the Yaris GR if I wanted a Toyota sports car.
if you know anything about audio you can fix the sound system problem by just changing the frequencies
how!
I guess there’s always something that’s not perfect with any car. You clearly still like it so that’s good enough for me. Nice one mate
My dad has a supra and we agree with everything in this video expect the sound system. Somehow our never distorts he even turned the bass up.
Did you sell this car?
I would definitely get a Lexus RCF over this thing.
That infotainment system though 😭
@@CarExpertAus it doesn't matter it has AA, the V8 balances things out😉.