Is the Saudi Arabian Moonsighting for Eid al-Fitr 1440/2019 really absurd?
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In recent hours, the debate on who to follow for the announcement of Eid has reared it's ugly head again! One group says the sighting is fake, impossible and against science, against many other countries and so on. Accusations of political influences and other technical issues the reasoning to reject sightings from Saudi Arabia or any other place in the World. Has an alleged impasse between religious discourse and scientific discourse come to pass?
So what is the reality of this situation? How as the normal lay Muslim should we react to this matter? How as students of Knowledge and scholars deliberating on this issue and involved in this public outpouring should we be acting?
Some invaluable advice and clarifications by Dr. Haitham al-Haddad on this hugely contentious matter, with the hope that all sides can see reason and that the proper adab/manners of differences can be maintained and in general the unity of Muslims can be strengthened.
This goes against the view of the Hanafis who say that "a large number of people must sight the moon" if the clouds are cloudy. MCW moonsighting member in Saudi has failed to sight the moon.
No person in history has ever sighted the moon after just five hours post conjunction. That is why no country in our globalised world has claimed to sight the moon on Monday night. Not a single country !
On the other hand, the view that a global sighting can be accepted, is only limited to a matla' - this is Limited by the same Right Ascension quadrant - and does not extend over to the entire world! For that would be absurd.
On the evening of Monday, when Saudi declared eid, Bangladesh had already prayed their taraweeh! They then followed suit and made Eid the next day. Similarly, other countries would need to cancel their taraweeh salah MID WAY if they are to follow Saudi.
Consider, also, a country that is 12 hours ahead of Saudi. Do they start the fast - and break it midway then call the Eid salah?!
This is why ittihad al mata'li' never implied a global meaning ! The books of Zahiri Riwayah of the Ahnaf clearly mention this.
The books of imam Shafi'i on the other hand, (an imam who ALLOWS calculation also), says that the matla' is limited by distance.
Following Saudi is absurd.
As for witnesses - what witnesses? Who are they? What are their names? Did their testimony reach us in order for us to give their names to Allah on yawmul qiyama? What will we say? I read it on twitter.com!
The Saudis don't even publish the names of the witnesses. So is this a fact like 2+3? Or is it a theoretical fact like the car reaching its destiny late due to factors? Since, the witnesses may have similar factors such as insanity, blindness, or, non-existence!
It is a WELL KNOWN FACT that the Saudis have a date determining system whereby, if certain conditions are fulfilled, they declare the new moon, such as moonset post sunset. This is because the entire country is run on a lunar calendar - unlike in history when the Muslims used a solar calendar for their business purposes. That is why they go about their entire year using a lunar calendar whose month starts they are able to predict. Thus, they are able to give exact dates to dignitaries around the world and to any and every person using just a lunar calendar! They have polluted the Islamic calendar and have kept it Islamic merely by its name.
If you have any doubt to what I am saying, they you must know that it is impossible to view the moon on night wherein a solar eclipses has happened. Yet, did you know that Saudi once declared the new moon on a solar eclipse day-? Why then, when the scientific community confronted them, did the Saudis CHANGE the date? What happened to factual vs theoretical?
As for the manazil of the moon, ie it's states -
Let me ask you ONE question!!!!
Has any scientific journal EVER got the time of an eclipse wrong by a few seconds?!!!!!
Do you see sky news saying: "we have a solar eclipse today but scientists are unsure of the exact time as it's theoretical.... "
Do we-?
Think about this further! I have given an extreme example. But let's consider something more simple: do we ESTIMATE sunrise times? How do we calculate our prayer times-? Is that not factual or is it theoretical ? The movement of the earth, the sun, and the moon, are all from the very same CELESTIAL SPHERE of which the sun moon and earth are a part of. We do not use a different calculation model for the moon! For all three are interconnected. If the moons are wrong, then our salah timings are also wrong.
The moons current position, it's speed, it's illumination percentage, it's declination, it's distance from Earth, can all be calculated accurate to within micro seconds and centimetres.
The ancient 4000 year old Babylonians were able to accurately not only predict the manazil of the moon, but also what sort of days it would be visible ! They produced the very first visibility criteria. This was 4000 years ago.
I love sheikh haitham al haddad and have immense respect for him. But the truth must be spoken and that which is right, needs to be said.
Allahu A'lam.
Can you quote the complete chapter please not cherry pick! The hanafee Judge will take two witnesses whether male or female if they are credible not a single witness of a desert Arab. You are being fed lies by the Wahabi propaganda machine that this fitna is down to madhabs. This is a blatant falsehood!!!
This fitna is down to saudi credibility and them following the birth of the moon Calendar nothing else.
Imam Muslim, translation by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui , Volume: The Book of Fasting (Kitab Al-Sawm)
2391.
Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i. e. her son) to Mu'awiya in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah b. 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (lasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sightidg of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us. Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
All the stupid blind followers of Saudi follow them ignorantly. These lying wretches are trying to blame Madhabs know this you silly la-madhbi Wahabi Najdis you cannot perform Hajj without coming to a Madhab
Dr Haitham May Allah preserve you for this Ummah. The loss of learned men like you will be the beginning of the end of this Ummah. You are a voice of reason, balance, and truth. Wallahi I love you for Allah's sake.
ummafnaan
😂😂😂😂...Miskeen
Philippines, malaysia, thailand, brunie, Australia, new zealand, pakistan japan, korea, china, Russia and some Asian country did not sight the Moon 🌒. Therefore tommorow is our Eid (June 05, 2019)
But We are confused that some Ulama here in the Philippines declare Eid this June 04, their source is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia but our Grand Mufti and Majority of Ulama and Muslim Scholars in Philippines declared that our Eid will be June 05 their source is they did not sight the Moon in their Area and some near country like Malaysia and China.
Only the moon's sighted in saudi
We have an Hadith the words of Rasulullah s.a.w. who came from Ibn Umar. The sources of our scholars who had declared the eid on June 5 were the Hadith and Sunnah of Rasulullah.
Kung ganun kung hindi natin gawin ang mga Sunnah ng Rasulullah ay Wag na tayo mag ""Niyata" hintay nalang natin ang Saudi. Pero wala naman libro o Hadith na Hintay Ang Saudi lang ang nag dedeclare ng EID at sighting the moon of Shawwal.
Brunei on 6 june 2019/01 Syawal 1440
NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 2391
Kurayb said: Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i.e. her son) to Mu’awiyah in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah ibn Abbas asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said: We saw it on Friday night. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? I said: Yes, and the people also saw it so they observed fast and Mu’awiyah also observed fast. Thereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we shall continue to observe the fast until we complete thirty (fasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sighting of the moon by Mu’awiyah not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) has commanded us
mashallah shk haitham are cured from cancer? it seems you look well now alhamdulillah and your beard is back,last time your beard went off,and you were very thin,may Allah cure you completely and preserve you for umma
اللهم اشف مشايخنا اللهم اشفه برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين واحفظه لنا
just because we fast one or two days different doesnt mean we are not united.
That's exactly what I feel since its either 29 or 30... I don't think we do 28 or 31...everything is slightly different in both ways...taraweeh pray home or masjid its same since its not mandatory...muta u can if you want and if you want you can do lifetime marriage...one hand up one hands down...if ALLAH wills he can make them understand..May ALLAH BLESS US ALL...
It is related from Tabi’een Sufyam Thawri(ra): ‘If the Qazi gives a ruling against the Qur’an, the Sunnah of Nabi(saw) or a matter upon which there is Ijma, then his ruling will be rejected.’ (Musannaf Abdur Razak, v 8, p234) It can be said that the ruling of the judge of Saudi Arabia is binding upon the inhabitants of Saudi Arabia. However, it cannot be incumbent upon all Muslims to follow this ruling.
Only Allah can open their hearts and minds.....
JazaKallah
Imam Muslim, translation by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui , Volume: The Book of Fasting (Kitab Al-Sawm)
2391.
Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i. e. her son) to Mu'awiya in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah b. 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (lasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sightidg of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us. Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
acejamal1 True follow Saudi moon sighting don’t need for West UK USA
If neighbouring countries Iran, Oman, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Palestine rejected the sighting in Saudi Arabia for EID. How did we thousands of miles away accept it.
JzakAllah khair Shaikh
However, irrespective of wether Saudi is right or wrong I think the main point of interest for people in Uk is wether they should follow Saudi or rather local moon sighting??
Imam Muslim, translation by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui , Volume: The Book of Fasting (Kitab Al-Sawm)
2391.
Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i. e. her son) to Mu'awiya in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah b. 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (lasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sightidg of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us. Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
Theoretically if a gun is fired towards somebody's head then we can say with some level of certainty it hit its target, on a realistical note, in real time gun could jam or misfire. Excellent point Shaykh
So theoretically the moon can end up in traffic jam and will late right?
We was told to look for the crescent moon by prophet muhammad not. Calculate it if science improves. End of conversation.
Asalamualkum Sheikh. MashAllah Allhumdulilah you look well. May Allah bless you and protect you and give you reward this world and the next.
Yes for defending the Saudi calendar and claiming it was eyewitness. The start and end of Ramadan for Saudi is always the same as there civil calendar amazing isn't it I would like the good Dr to explain that one with his engineering degree.
Prophet’s time fasting(begin/end) would very 10-15min One day to next because they didn’t have clocks for exact time of Fajr & Magrib Azan. Nonetheless soon as the person entrusted does Azan then everyone simply accepts it (regardless it’s a good or bad estimate)
Other side :
However now we allow our self the use of Clocks for salah times, surly we can use science to estimate moon position for Eid too, if Not Then we should also stop using clocks for Salah timings :)
May Allah purify my thoughts by granting correct guidance if I am wrong!!
dumb argument as the Islam teaches you how to calclate the times also the setting of the sun in Arabia is clear to know when fast has ended. Ignorance is bad! this Islam we follow certainty not doubt it is not a case of any which way you can! You are scrapping the bottom of the barrel anything to justify blind following Saudi where you beloved shaykh is funded
Side “C” argument:
There are growing number who no longer want Saudi to be the entrusted authority!
@@adamhome7448 At this moment in time given the current situation a body council representing Muslim from all over the world should be formed to be the custodians of the two Holy cites and Give proper religious guidance to Muslims not the current Muppet show we have
@@adamhome7448 just offered a workable solution, yes there is a growing number of people who do not trust them on there past record.
Regret Park mosque have a body made up of representatives from different muslim group from around the world but unfortunately there will always be one that have more influence over other, currently its the Muslims with the most money are afforded the final say(Saudi)
They ask you about the crescents. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in the affairs of men and for pilgrimage.” (TMQ 2:189)
“Whoever witnesses the crescent of the month, he must fast the month.” (TMQ 2:185)
What is said about sighting the crescent in the Sunnah?
Abu Hurayrah narrates that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) said: Observe fast on sighting it (the moon) and break (fast) on sighting it (the new moon). If sky is cloudy for you, then complete the number (of thirty). (TMH Sahih Muslim, 2379)
Abu Hurayrah narrates that Allah’s Messenger said: Observe fast on sighting it (the new moon) and break it on sighting it. But if (due to clouds) position of the month is concealed from you, you should then count thirty (days). (Shih Muslim, 2380)
Jazakallah khayir for the clarification may Allah bless you and accept
Zul-Hejja ه ١٣٩٩ (Sheikh Bin Baaz) The grand scholar Mufti of Saudi Arabia (Al Bathul Islami p 63) After doing extensive research on this issue, he concludes with this statement. ‘As for those who say that it is necessary to follow the sighting of Makkah then let it be known that there is no proof or basis for this in the Holy Qur’an and Sunnah’.
@@alqawaa No body says follow Saudi or Pakistan or Africa where do you get the idea? Sheikh did not say this. you follow reliable witness states they sighted moon and you follow even though calculation tells you not possible to see moon. Hadith clearly states sighting we should be looking for . I dont see what is the issue brother . Saudi method conforms with quran sunnah and method id mentioned in many fiq books
When Saudi announce Eid its normall after magrib there, here we hear the Saudi announcement at asar..... now if u guys follow Saudi moon then technically they are already in shawaal month so why dont u break your fast because🤨
One ummah,muslim must unite,madhab is separate us?,most of Shafis diside and copy shafis for the moonsighting,its is the same for maliks and oher hanafis and others,copy each others.
We want one ummah,look at the history before 1924,one mukaram different madhab, makam,shafis,maliks,hanafis,hambalis,zayids,prays differents jamaas prayer,in one salaat of either asri or subhi.Allah know the best,prophet didnt teach us this,all this propaganda created and poisoned ummah about this,is because they want to spread back diffent ibadas from madhabs inside makkah mukaram,YaAllah defends costudium of makkah mukaram and madinat munawari from this enemy of islam.there are one islam and one ummah,YaAllah curse these many groups/sect ,who want to put shirki in your religion,and use this issue of moon as a fitna,always you blames Saudis and hates them,there is a different of kingdom/gorvement and
Custordium of makka mukaram and madina munnawari,everything is fine there until this moment,YaAllah give us the way to win against shaytan,and stops kufru bidaas inside Makka and madina,no maulid nabawiya or tasawwuf inside makka mosque or madina munnawari,lets follow ,what scholars decide which way to follow,take the choice,which you see,its right for moonsighting,as long you fast,29 or complete 30,as long we follow,quran and sunna,no farka please.
Allahu
@@sabraham5308 dont think you have any right to curse anybody Muslim or non Muslim but better to pray for there guidance. The moonsighting is nothing to do with madhabs anyway.... it is to do with the use of technology and the naked eye view point, different options but both have ulema on both sides, Saudi use calculations calender only for the 4 sacred months and rest of the year they use normal calendar.... technology has caused a split in the ummah because this wasn't used at the time of prophet (saw).
Often times the simplest solution is the best....’when you sight the new moon start your fast, and when you sight the next new moon finish your fast’ this worked fantastically no matter where you were in the world for over 1400 years.....who went and complicated it? Which ‘authority’ decided to interfere with this simple solution and throw the ummah into turmoil? If tomorrow all world communications came to an abrupt end how would you decide when to fast?? You would have to go back to basics....when you see the moon......yep start your fast...
you are absolutely right,
we don't anymore use our eyes to see the moon in fact we use our ears👂
جزاكم الله خيرا يا شيخ
Thank you for this much needed tawjeeh/guidance.
It should also be mentioned that this also comes down to the age old difference between the hanafees and everyone else where they don’t accept the testimony of 2, but require the testimony of ‘a great number of people’ ‘الجمع الغفير'. So due to that, this issue will never end as it’s been here from the very beginning.
Jazaakallaahu khairan.
Ignorance is bad you are obviously ignorant of the Hanafee madhab it is the 25 year old problem of people being paid of to follow Saudi over 30 years ago there was not two eids in Uk only one as soon as Wahabi funding started to role this problem occurred. There was no problem in the beginning this is your ignorance of the situation. Educate yourself before you spread falsehood and ignorance.
Sahih Muslim
2391.
Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i. e. her son) to Mu'awiya in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah b. 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (lasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sightidg of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us. Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
acejamal1
(وَ) قُبِلَ (بِلَا عِلَّةٍ جَمْعٌ عَظِيمٌ يَقَعُ الْعِلْمُ)
Which translates “and it is accepted if there are no obstruction [in the Sky if narrated] by a great number that gives clear knowledge.”
This is taken from one of the main hanafee books “Haashiyah Ibn Aabdeen”
It would be convenient for some of it was all an elaborate saudi conspiracy to destroy Islam and harm the Muslims, but often reality is boring and straight forward. If you just listen to the Shaykh, he explained. The decision was not made by the government, but the judges there, they accepted the testimony of 5 individuals who were not Saudi royal family and that was it. No special conspiracy, just straight forward procedure. “Is it possible that those witnesses were mistaken? Of course, but that responsibility is now on their heads. Not all of ours.
Enjoy your eid.
Haashiyah is not the same as the Asl matam who has done the Haashiyah? As this opinion you are trying to present is distorted and ill-informed as well as ignorant.
2011, 2013, 2015 Saudi pay reparations to Morocco and Misr for wasting their fast what is the credibility of you claimed witnesses? (You can read the articles on line from the Arab news papers).
Those who blindly follow Saudi will always follow them this has nothing to do with conspiracy you are trying to deflect from the topic.
We quoted you hadith and you a Haashyah (some ones commentary)
Kurayb repoted: I came to Syria and tended to my needs. The crescent of Ramadan appeared over me while I was in Syria and I saw it on Friday, then I came to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah ibn Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, asked me about it and I mentioned the crescent. Ibn Abbas said, “When did you see it?” I said, “We saw it on Friday night.” Ibn Abbas said, “You saw it?” I said, “Yes, people saw it and they fasted, as did Mu’awiyah.” Ibn Abbas said, “But we saw it on Saturday night, so we will continue fasting until we complete thirty days or we see it.” I said, “Is it not enough that Mu’awiyah saw it and he fasted?” Ibn Abbas said, “No, such was the command of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1087
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Muslim
So is the sighting from such a distance really valid for us? Not in the opinion of the Sahaba or the Muhadiths of the jurists!
35 years ago in this city where we are there was no fitna one start of Ramadam one Eid together as soon as some mosques started taking Saudi funding the fitna started. That is the reality of the situation because i have witnessed this in my lifetime. Fitna is Najdi money buying of people that is fact not fiction or conspiracy.
acejamal1 I’m not going to continue this argument are you’re not even understanding my point. Have a nice day
@@muaawiyahtucker When someone can't answer or you are caught out that is the typical response ignorance is bad you accuse then you you are proved wrong and cannot respond with like instead of apologizing for your mistake go on a ego trip. The fact is you people are making fitna in the Ummah and you can't even comprehend this. Before the dirty black money (petro dollar) there was unity in the uk regarding this issue. So many time Saudis have been proven wrong yet you still choose to blind follow. Allah keep us on the straight path.
Masah Allah nice explains..we are one unity...
4:15 Do you pray fajr according to the time the sun rises in al Hijaz or do you pray fajr when the sun rises in the counrty you are living in??!! So why start/end fasting according to moon-sighting in al Hijaz and not according to the country you are living in??!!
It's always gonna b there till judgement day. U can't say it's absurd as it's saying they lied
I agree with your sentiments but they won't admit that they do not follow the Sunnah of sighting the moon and that they follow a pre-prepared calendar that is based on the birth of the moon. The rest of the So-called Shahadas are what we term in english chinese whispers all based on their announcement. I suppose you can in oneway say they lied.
Only Allah can open their hearts and minds....
1 Saudi announces to its nation, not world.
2 Saudi always seem to announce first.
3 The sighting seems to be exclusive to Saudi.
4 No country before or after seems to have sighted when Saudi have claimed sighting.
5 No evidence from the Quran and Sunnah to follow Saudi.
6 Morocco has the best moonsighting establishment in the world. 272 points in their kingdom, every month with the naked eye.
7 By following Saudi, one has made redundant the verses and passages stated in the Quran and Sunnah.
Why is it that people are rejecting the clear evidence and instead following that which is not prescribed by the Qur'an and Sunnah?
What will it take for people to understand not to follow that which is doubtful, unreliable and unverified?
Only Allah can open their hearts and minds.....
@Kite Fly Agree with your sentiments but there are a couple of factors you missed out are overlooked.
1, People do anything for money, power and position.
2, We were clearly warned regarding hypocrites with in our ranks who claim to be working for unity but instead praying on those who can't be bothered to learn for themselves or get brainwashed by the propaganda machine.
@@alqawaa Because these people are not following the Quran and the Sunnah as they. Everything that was established by Ahle- Sunnah they have over the years changed or worked to erode By misconstruing verses of the Quran and rejecting Sahih Hadith. The only hadith they except are the ones they believe support there corrupted beliefs.
Simple you should follow the moon sighting in the country you reside in, I live in the UK , it is not possible or logical to follow Saudi as I don’t live there, and the difference in the moon cycle can be up to 2 days which is normal for the northern hemisphere.....do your local sightings every month, not just for 4 months like Saudi do and you won’t go wrong.....it’s all right saying follow the ‘majority’ but not when the ‘majority’ follow another country they don’t live in and are geographically thousands of miles away from, you can have different eids in the same country in different towns just 50 miles apart......due to the atmospheric conditions and curvature of the earth.....this is also fine and was accepted in the time of the prophet (pbuh)......
Beloved respected sheikh Haytham your points are all very valid especially with regards to wajibaat of following the authority. Does the sheikh that the authority (in the case of London we turn to ICCUK and east London mosque) it is wajib for them to attempt sighting by their own means takes priority and is wajib to implement or is it acceptable for them to rely on other sitings or is this position against the spirit and injunctions. Or please comment on the following article and points to clarify cjislam.weebly.com/local-moon-sighting-is-an-innovation.html
Only Allah can open their hearts and minds.....
1 Saudi announces to its nation, not world.
2 Saudi always seem to announce first.
3 The sighting seems to be exclusive to Saudi.
4 No country before or after seems to have sighted when Saudi have claimed sighting.
5 No evidence from the Quran and Sunnah to follow Saudi.
6 Morocco has the best moonsighting establishment in the world. 272 points in their kingdom, every month with the naked eye. 7 By following Saudi, one has made redundant the verses and passages stated in the Quran and Sunnah.
Why is it that people are rejecting the clear evidence and instead following that which is not prescribed by the Qur'an and Sunnah?
What will it take for people to understand not to follow that which is doubtful, unreliable and unverified?
Only Allah can open their hearts and minds.....
SalfSalih you true JazakAllah
Turkey Qatar who are not exactly best friends of Saudi also declared Eid on Tuesday.
So unsure what Your massive long message is about.
A lot of countries also did. Algeria also did. And many other Arab countries.
Respect their decision.
Secondly. What if the moon was actually sighted then what?
Thirdly. People like you assume Saudi is lying.
But would Allah SWT allow the people of Makkah and Midinah be deceived ? Forget the corrupt rulers etc. What about the worshipers and the people of those lands? Does your explanation state that the people of Makkah and Madinah did Eid on wrong day?
Geneous this Sheikh !! Ma sha allah
especially when you get money from Saudi lol
Sheikh I have a question, in USA in 60's people were a bit fearful and masses would pray Jumu'a on Sunday. It changed later when people of dawah came and encouraged people. So you are saying if the masses decides to pray jumu'ah on Sunday it's okay? Awaiting your answer.
No because it is clear jummah is prayed on friday. There is no dispute here at all or confusion.
The IOC should form a body with 2 representative in each member country porposely to help in this issues. The UMMA is tired of confusion each year it leaves us to be a loughing stock. InshaAllah we should strive unity on this issue. MashaAllah may Allah protect you sheikh.
Respect the Sunnah of our beloved Nabi, sallallahu alayhe wassalam! Anything more than the Qur’an and Sunnah is bida’ah!
Kurayb repoted: I came to Syria and tended to my needs. The crescent of Ramadan appeared over me while I was in Syria and I saw it on Friday, then I came to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah ibn Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, asked me about it and I mentioned the crescent. Ibn Abbas said, “When did you see it?” I said, “We saw it on Friday night.” Ibn Abbas said, “You saw it?” I said, “Yes, people saw it and they fasted, as did Mu’awiyah.” Ibn Abbas said, “But we saw it on Saturday night, so we will continue fasting until we complete thirty days or we see it.” I said, “Is it not enough that Mu’awiyah saw it and he fasted?” Ibn Abbas said, “No, such was the command of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1087
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Muslim
Al-Tirmidhi said, “The people of knowledge act upon this tradition, that the people of every land have their own moon sighting.”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 693
Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not fast the month of Ramadan until you see the crescent moon, and do not break your fast until you see it. If the sky is cloudy for you, then estimate it.”
In another narration, the Prophet said, “If the sky is cloudy for you, then complete the term as thirty days.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 1807, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1080
Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim
Zul-Hejja ه ١٣٩٩ (Sheikh Bin Baaz) The grand scholar Mufti of Saudi Arabia (Al Bathul Islami p 63) After doing extensive research on this issue, he concludes with this statement. ‘As for those who say that it is necessary to follow the sighting of Makkah then let it be known that there is no proof or basis for this in the Holy Qur’an and Sunnah’.
3 madhabs says that we need to follow the country who first saw the moon!
And living in an non-muslim country is very difficult!
@Abdullah Forever Here it is very cloudly! But i follow saudi
@Abdullah Forever Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatulillah wa barakatuh
The prophet(pbuh) always look on the 28the day to the moon! If the prophet(Pbuh) lives now with us! He(pbuh) go look to the moon on the 28the day! EVEN if astronomy or calculations say it can't! It is in the Sunnah! We need to follow the sunnah and the quran! On the 28the day Saudi confirmed that the moon was sighted in tumair! Thus eid ul fitr was on June 4 tuesday! I live in a Non-Muslim country! Here they don't look to the moon thus we follow saudi!
The Hanafi Fiqh manual states: "If people living in the West sight the moon, it becomes obligatory for the people living in the East to act on that"
Durr al-Mukhtar, Vol. 1, p. 149
The Maliki scholar ad-dasoeqi also statet in him book: al-Haashiyah ʿalash-Sharh il-Kabier (bookpart 1, p. 510)
Also in Nayl ul-Ma'aarib(Bookpart 1, p.79)
Hanbali fiqh
And in Rawd ul-Moerbiʿ (bookpart 1, p. 412) Hanbali fiqh
The madhabs says that we need to follow a country who has seen the moon! Astronomy is not the thing what we need to use! It can be wrong! And most mosques here are following saudi!
AND IF IT IS WRONG! It is not our sins! ITS FRON SAUDI
May Allah forgive us
May Allah lead us
May Allah give us knowledge
Ameen
Wa sallatu wa salam 'ala rasoolilah
Wa salamu ailakum wa rahmatullilah wa barakatuh
This really showed Shaykh's insight in these matters, given his background in engineering etc, may God preserve him
The sheikh is mistaken. We can use scientific knowledge to eliminate false sightings. Using his analogy of a car travelling to its destination, we know at the very least that the car won't get to its destination before the speed of light, even if we don't know exactly when the car will arrive. What the Saudis have done is to claim to have sighted the moon when it was 6 hours old, when it was 4 degrees of elongation, well below even the lower end of the Danjon limit. If they want to use a calendar, then fine, many respected Ulema are doing so, e.g., ECFR, FCNA. But they shouldn't claim to be following the moonsighting tradition and then making a mockery of it. God knows best.
Dr Haitham those who recieve Funding from Saudi will follow them regardless of a sighting or not. You have very eloquently argued to try and justify the claimed sighting. Why would Saudi lie? Saudi follow a calendar you know when tarawih prayer will start and when Ramadan will end according to that calendar. (We will follow the Jews and the Christian as predicted) and leave the Sunnah. Past years Saudi has paid reparations for announcing the wrong day’s false sightings (re Morocco and Misr). The observatories and powerful telescopes could not see the moon yet Saudi sees it we should accept blindly. Is the good doctors defence financial and political all the masajid that have taken funding from Saudi blindly follow them is this according to Quran and sunnah or dunya? Even if they did as they claim is there sighting valid for us?
2391.
Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i. e. her son) to Mu'awiya in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah b. 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (lasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sightidg of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us. Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
Hmm I wonder if the tinfoil are holding strong onto your head.
@@Theocracy8 Homey that's what they were doing when they saw the moon it was the reflection of the tinfoil.
Some of your points are very intresting but you let yourself down badly by saying "those who are funded by saudi" you need to get out of the cocoon that transmits these fairy tales , to my knowledge said i find 2 masjids in UK 1 in Edinburgh and another somewhere in Wales , most if the masjids of tauheed what some I'll mannered people call wahabbi masjids are self funded like all other masjids, we should follow the rightious servants of AR RAHMAN , as for those who believe the Saudi imams of the harram are to be followed blindly need to wake up out of the trance and use common sense. Those who speak out against the tyrany of the Saudi dictators are taken away imprisioned similar to what they have done to the egytian leader morsi, or even worse there killed like the man in Turkey, may ALLAH bring a peaceful change in Saudi regime and rid us of these tyrants.
@@itz_over5317 Tyrants? I don't know who you are and where you're originally from but check this out. There will NEVER be democracy in any Muslim countries as you know it in the West. There's simply no such thing. Saddam Hussein was a so called dictator but he was a needed one for the Iraqi people and the neighbouring countries. In fact he was feared even by the West. That kind of leader or what you call a tyrant is a MUST in Muslim countries as they will never know how to act as good citizens or appreciate what they have. You need to impose things on them put fear into their hearts so they can keep their mouth shut and get on with their lives. However when you bring a good nice decent leader they'll bite his head off chew it and spit it out. Now you see the result in the Middle East when you remove a tyrant or a dictator. The "Arab Spring" LOL.
@@acejamal1 no the tinfoil is held by conspiracy crazy theorists who sit at home and pretend to act Islamic. The men sitting on top of the hills were trying to observe the beginning of the moon cycle.
Alhamdullillah for the information. 👍 May Allah always protect you Ameen.
Zul-Hejja ه ١٣٩٩ (Sheikh Bin Baaz) The grand scholar Mufti of Saudi Arabia (Al Bathul Islami p 63) After doing extensive research on this issue, he concludes with this statement. ‘As for those who say that it is necessary to follow the sighting of Makkah then let it be known that there is no proof or basis for this in the Holy Qur’an and Sunnah’.
But in England the PM announced Ramadan yet the Muslims their came up not only with dates of start of Ramadan but also fajr times and suhoor times!
Practical is that the entire world celebrate just same day as news can be reached to everyone at the same time.
What if the border of one country was so vast that it covers lands far away. They there would be one date wouldn't it?
When you don't try to understand the deen or study it you make stupid comments like this that are ignorant and pathetic.
We follow clear principles. When you depart from these clear principles you will become jews and christians because this is how they change their religions by following not what was taught them but there own whims Howaas.
The fitna of bin Baaz (confused, simply didn't know what he was on about or purposley creating fitna for Muslims in the west)
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about a person who was staying in Spain during Ramadaan and fasted according to the Land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries. He replied:
What you have mentioned about your fasting with us and breaking the fast with us, because you are staying in Spain during Ramadaan, there is nothing wrong with that and there is no sin on you. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Fast when you see it (the new moon) and stop fasting when you see it, and if it is cloudy and you cannot see it, then complete the number of days as thirty.” This is general in meaning and applies to all of the ummah. The Land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries is most deserving to be followed because they strive to rule according to sharee’ah - may Allaah increase them in guidance - and because you are staying in a country which is not ruled by Islam and its people do not pay any attention to Islamic rulings. End quote.
Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn Baaz, 15/105
Zul-Hejja ه ١٣٩٩ (Sheikh Bin Baaz) The grand scholar Mufti of Saudi Arabia (Al Bathul Islami p 63) After doing extensive research on this issue, he concludes with this statement. ‘As for those who say that it is necessary to follow the sighting of Makkah then let it be known that there is no proof or basis for this in the Holy Qur’an and Sunnah’.
can anyone of his cronies clarify this!
To long .you should get to the point dear brother, you keep repeating the same words over and over and some of the listeners lose the interest.
We in USA have this issue some says to follow Saudi moon sighting and others says moon should be sighted in the US we cannot follow Saudi because of this friends and families split some celebrate eid some make eid the day after please clarify whether we should follow the moon sighting in Saudi or the moon should be sighted in the US
Sahih Muslim
by Imam Muslim, translation by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui , Volume: The Book of Fasting (Kitab Al-Sawm)
2391.
Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i. e. her son) to Mu'awiya in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah b. 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (lasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sightidg of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us. Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
The above hadith should make it clear to anyone of sound mind that the way of the Salf was to sight the moon for themselves atleast one area land mass or country should have the start and end on one day according to the moon sighting in there area. What you should do is consult with the observatories for visibility (can the moon be seen by the naked eye) and go out and look for it. if you get a reliable shahada Then start your fast if not the complete 30 days for Shaban.
Hadith No: 133
From: Sahih Bukhari. Chapter 31, Fasting
Narrated/Authority of Abu Huraira
The Prophet or Abu-l-Qasim said, "Start fasting on seeing the crescent (of Ramadan), and give up fasting on seeing the crescent (of Shawwal), and if the sky is overcast (and you cannot see it), complete thirty days of Shaban."
Sayyidina Abu Huraira (RA) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) made a mention of the new moon and (in this connection) said: Observe fast when you see it (the new moon) and break fast when you see it (the new moon of Shawwal), but when (the actual position of the month is) concealed from you (on account of cloudy sky), then count thirty days. [Muslim]
It is that simple the ones confusing it are thsoe who either for funding or out of thesake of ignorance believe it is right to follow Saudi. Here is what two of the biggest Saudi scholars say:
Shaykh Abdul Aziz ibn Abdullah ibn Baz (R negating setting of Makkah for global sighting:
"As for those who say that it is necessary to follow the sighting of Makkah, then let it be known to them, that there is no proof or basis for this in the Qur'aan and Hadith". (Sheikh Abdullah bin Baz RA AlBa'ath ul Islaaami Zil Hijjah 1399 Hijri).
Shaykh Salih al-Uthaymeen on negating setting of Makkah for global sighting:
... Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen was asked about those who call for the ummah to be united in fasting and for the moon sighting to be based on its sighting in Makkah. He said:
This is impossible from an astronomical point of view, because the sighting of the new moon, as Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said, differs, according to the scientists who are well-versed in this field. Because it differs, then each country should have its own ruling, according to the reports and according to science.The evidence from reports is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): "So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Sawm (fasts) that month" [al-Baqarah 2:185]
It does not mean we are dis-united for doing on different days it means we are on the Sunnah and following the Salf.
Wallaho A'lam
The Saudis accidentally gave the right day for eid. In Europe, the new moon arrived at around 10pm on Monday evening. This would be too late for the far east countries like Australia. They were right to hold the eid on Wednesday. Muslims are scattered around the world, so when the new moon arrives late in the evening, then two separate days are going to happen. But at a national level, we should be united as the brother reminds us.
No such thing as a theoretical calculation vs pragmatic/realistic calculation. This is hard science.
This is not quantum theory.
Where are the proofs of Saudi sightings? Where are photos?
This could easily end the debate.
The photos are on Twitter on the official haramain website.
@@kadsc3049 I checked and did not see any please share link. jkk
@@roundgrape here is the link the Twitter page is haramain info twitter.com/HaramainInfo/status/1135653077241831424?s=19
@@roundgrape same here no proof
@@kadsc3049 The link says " this page does not exist"
Salaam. So we should follow masses. What do I do if the majority of UK does eid one day but majority of my town in UK does another day? Which majority do I go with and why?
Jahan Khan your town
Eid was Wednesday 05th June 2019 NOT Tuesday 04th June 2019, you will need to make up for one missed Fast in that case. morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/saudis-cause-controversy-in-the-muslim-world-for-celebrating-the-end-of-ramadan-a-day-earlier
@@ZiaUlEimanMedia hi
I believe people who did Eid on Wednesday started their Ramadan on Tuesday which also makes it 29 days. So, would they also have to make up for 1missed roza?
One question, who are to believe calculations which are backed by the Quran or someone who we even dont know whether they are lying or not,?
Your lecture was too long and cumbersome !!! Couldn’t get the actual point you were trying to make !!!
In today's technological advancement it is so easy to see the moon and make announcements globally. like many other issues, we Muslims cannot even come to a single conclusion whether it is Eid or not. I would understand if it was 100 years ago when we didn't have access to advance technology.
Imam Muslim, translation by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui , Volume: The Book of Fasting (Kitab Al-Sawm)
2391.
Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i. e. her son) to Mu'awiya in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah b. 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (lasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sightidg of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us. Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
A global anoucment os following jews and christians it is not the sunnah had the Allah wanted this the Prophet, peace be upon him would have taught the companions this. Yes one area or country should have on day.
Don’t Divide Muslims we are already in a bad situation at this time if are good sheikh make dua for Muslims. a lot of Muslim are suffering. Today. Every where in the world
I was in Saudia Arabia for Umrah during last week of Ramadan. Saudi governmen announced the Eid on purpose just to tackle Iran's Eid announcement on Wednesday
Journey Addict Man what’s your proof. Provide me a source or some information. This is just hear say what you are doing.
You make some very good points. You are my brother who I love weather I make eid the same day or not. Your points about being accountable for having recieved whitness are quite reasonable. The fact that we cannot rely on calculations is part of the sunnah so once again something to aggree upon.
The fact that we have to follow the authority is straight forward also.
The problem is in inventing the requirement of following the government of Saudi Arabia despite the consistent irregularities of their sightings. Meaning that Saudi sighting the moon while no moon is sighted in Africa, the Caribbean, Europe, South and North America should cause people in responsible authorities to make decisions based on their own information not testimonials from historically doubtful sources.
The judge in Saudi has to accept his shahaada but authorities in other countries should be polling their own people.
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My question to you sheikh is- who is the right person to ask?
All my life, Ulema said we can’t be google scholars.
But when it comes to astronomy/physics; suddenly sheiks and ulema want to become google astronomers and put out dubious public statements.
It’s time scholars took their own advice than to make statements without knowledge.
FASAL AHLUL DHIKR IN KUNTUM LA TALAAMUN!!
Imam Muslim, translation by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui , Volume: The Book of Fasting (Kitab Al-Sawm)
2391.
Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i. e. her son) to Mu'awiya in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah b. 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (lasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sightidg of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us. Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
How can following Saudi be right when this is not the way of the Salf? We should search the moon where we are are
sight the moon ...locally . .simple ..Salah times are locally....daylight is locally ....
Not really as easy as you talk. I some countries like alsaka, the sun never sets for 2days etc or if you locality is having a storm filled with clouds ?
well in that case u follow the nearest state to u who have have the similar longitude or latitude . will u be fasting for 24 hours ? NO U WONT ..U WILL FOLLOW THE NEAREST STATE TIMES
if u in Alaska than following California sighting FOR PRAYER TIMES , MOONSIGHTING WILL BE CLOSE TO PERFECTION
Its not that simple, muslims in western countries dont have a single unified body, so they jus follow saudi, or morocco, the soofis/barelwi follow morocco and the deobandis/salfis follow saudi, here in uk
@@aluminaterock660 there may be exceptions but pls dont make it seem as if all the muslims should follow the sighting of Saudi- esp when they use calculations instead of physical sighting.
A good explanation by a ustaz with a higher political agenda than islam
spot on
you said there are two fathers a biological father and a legal father however both fathers are in fact legal
اللهم رب الناس أذهب البأس اشف انت الشافي لا شفاء الا شفاؤك شفاءا لا يغادر سقما
we did follow our authorities in uk. The regents park mosque and east london mosque always announce it the same
Hi Mrlesta
So, did you celebrate Eid on Tuesday or Wednesday?
wow. wheres the sunnah in ur speech, so long winded talk. sunnah is clear and precise and short and to the point.
He chooses his hadith very closely, one question is what about one person sees the moon with his eyes and nobody else sees it in a community so they fast or eid a day after shoukd he dismiss his observation or follow the community? On his argument he should follow the community buut the madhab fuqaha say follow your observation
Moad De Clerq - good point, and he is saying “Yes”, we should ignore our eye and go with the masses, he was very clear about that.
In the real world, there will never be a case where ONLY ONE person will see the moon. IF it is the case, that society/country is already doomed.
Well the Saudi sighting was done by one person in Saudi in tameer and the Maliki fuqaha states if you see the moon alone and can't witness by the judge because you already know it will be rejected you have to fast and dismiss the masses so his arguments are too weak according the fiqh.
@@Silver_dragon_uk well the jurist say stick to your eyes and leave the masses, see khalil and it's commentaries maliki madhab
Basically manipulating interpretation to fulfil the wahhabi agenda
We should all listen to qualified scholars like you.
Exactly,
@@hakkhani we follow the hanafi methodology. We also follow the righteous and not the faasiq. Esp the ones from najd.
Brother Kash it’s not possible to sight the moon in the UK so you follow Pakistan blindly
@@sadiakhan6593 Actually we have sighted the moon in the UK. It was impossible to sight the moon on Monday. We do not blindly accept what those who consistently lie and get it wrong. Nor should the UK wahhabis. Do your own sighting.
Best wishes Sheikh. We don’t understand what is the outcome. Did Saudi find it or cook it? Famous Kuwaiti scientist is nonsense?
they found it on their civil calendar a picture of the new moon (desert Bedouins rude and arrogant)
You have to stop recite self written hadith and books. They misquide you all. Allaah❤❤❤ strictly forbidden us to follow hadith form other than The Hadith form Allaah❤❤❤, The Almighty. This is SHIRK SHIRK SHIRK.
wow ignorance is bad tell me what are these self written hadith books you are talking about lol
Saudi predetermines the date for Eid beforehand. So what you're saying would only make sense if Saudi didn't do that.
@@musti12312 it was impossible for moon sighting for Eid this year, either in London or Saudi Arabia. So it doesn't matter what they 'officially' say or don't say. It's best to ignore them anyway, just like you said. Nobody made them custodians of the Ummah. They're only custodians of the two holy Masjids.
Bring your proof for this. Proof means solid evidence not here say or conjecture
This is akhiru zaman most Muslims be against other Muslims
Well said, the Muslim Countries were at one time was one big block with one Moon.
Today the World has broken up into smaller countries, 195 countries and Allah knows best how many more new countries will be created. As you know neigbouring countries are always at each other throats. Look at the world Today is becoming more dangerous with all sorts of problems. More disunity, more new countries and different days of Moon.
Zaib Amir just one correction there was not one moon for all the Muslim world. Different parts of the Muslim world did it according to local sightings not one central announcement because the is the sunna and the way of the Salf us saliheen. If you read our comments you will find the hadith from Sahih Muslim that explains it quite clearly. The disunity here is people who due to funding and the desire to divide community's blindly following Saudi.
why use a telescope - you should see it with the naked eye. The saudis have their own moon . How many of us stood on Arafat on the wrong because they use the telescope. So glad we dont follow the saudis because we have our own moon-sighting committee
Why is anything to do with islam so confusing and full of bullshit. Why can't it just be straight forward, we only have 1 moon for this planet, first what is the true hadith, is ramadan and eid based on the sighting of a new moon or cresent moon or cresent moon after a new moon or cresent moon before a new moon!!!!!!!????????
Ignorance is bad. If you do not know ask those who do instead of using crass language!
Sahih Muslim
by Imam Muslim, translation by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui , Volume: The Book of Fasting (Kitab Al-Sawm)
2391.
Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i. e. her son) to Mu'awiya in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah b. 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (lasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sightidg of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us. Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
Shaykh Abdul Aziz ibn Abdullah ibn Baz (R negating setting of Makkah for global sighting:
"As for those who say that it is necessary to follow the sighting of Makkah, then let it be known to them, that there is no proof or basis for this in the Qur'aan and Hadith". (Sheikh Abdullah bin Baz RA AlBa'ath ul Islaaami Zil Hijjah 1399 Hijri).
Shaykh Salih al-Uthaymeen on negating setting of Makkah for global sighting:
... Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen was asked about those who call for the ummah to be united in fasting and for the moon sighting to be based on its sighting in Makkah. He said:
This is impossible from an astronomical point of view, because the sighting of the new moon, as Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said, differs, according to the scientists who are well-versed in this field. Because it differs, then each country should have its own ruling, according to the reports and according to science.The evidence from reports is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): "So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Sawm (fasts) that month" [al-Baqarah 2:185]
There is only one moon but it can not be seen for everyone and is not for everyone as the above hadith explains further more:
Hadith No: 133
From: Sahih Bukhari. Chapter 31, Fasting
Narrated/Authority of Abu Huraira
The Prophet or Abu-l-Qasim said, "Start fasting on seeing the crescent (of Ramadan), and give up fasting on seeing the crescent (of Shawwal), and if the sky is overcast (and you cannot see it), complete thirty days of Shaban."
We follow the sunnah not Saudi or one global sighting this Islam not christianity or Judaism were we can deviate from this.
muslim scientists should reestablish the solarlunar calender which we used to have at one time
No need to search the moon using microscope saud always do that is how the time prophet used to see the the new moon?
Pls keep ur opinion with urself. Ur opinion creates nothing but confusion. It gives a wrong message to the non believers, they are looking for Guidance. There are other ways to show ur opinion. Very poor and sad.
When were the boundaries made, one world, one moon, one umah, please don't be divided because of the boundaries were made by us. There can only be one day of Arafat and similarly the day of Laylatul Qadre falls on odd day and one day delay of Ramadhan will change that to even day.
Let's assume a world without boundaries and let all accept the moon sighted by the authorities
Time of the sahaba it was local sighting as they were no fax machines or mobile phones
Crescent moon was on 0 degree, not even on horrizon? How was it possible to see it? Needs to be on and above 8 degrees? Thats what some are questioning.
shaykh just said why would saudi hide it, what they got to gain
Its called atmospheric and astronomical refraction. You can be in the sahara desert but the sky is still blue because of the ocean thousands of miles away. The bottom line is that all scientific things are not known yet, the unseen is real.
Witnesses came forward or should we go by this calculation? Is it possible the witnesses lied, yes but their witness is enough. Is it these calculations are wrong very possible. So what does the Sunnah teach us to take... No doubt the witnesses
@@WaheedKhan-jy5iy I agree, even if they lied 100%. Witnesses on it's own is sufficient.
Is it not plausible that the testimony of 2 Witnesses was taken from another part of the world, where the new moon was visable and sighted ? Countries have Consulates around the world !
My dear brother, Political govts are not interfering just some people creating problems even in Pakiatan as well, according to science even the moon havent born and they said that they have seen the moon
Volume very bad
Kenya we have two different days of fasting and idd
Salam brother. I’ve just watch up to 5 minutes and need to continue.
My question is about the Hadith. We can’t deny the majority. But the majority is sighting by the nacked eye. Not a few vai a telescope the pass info to authority.
Because the majority have sighted with the naked eye. Egypt, Oman, Morocco, Bangladesh, Uk- compare to Saudi few observers vai telescope.
Brother sunnah is beautiful. Rivaiving is rewarding. Let’s not follow opinions... Jazakum Allah Khairan.
If any one wants to join me sighting moon from Camden. Massage me.
One ummah,muslim must unite,madhab is separate us?,most of Shafis diside and copy shafis for the moonsighting,its is the same for maliks and oher hanafis and others,copy each others.
We want one ummah,look at the history before 1924,one mukaram different madhab, makam,shafis,maliks,hanafis,hambalis,zayids,prays differents jamaas prayer,in one salaat of either asri or subhi.Allah know the best,prophet didnt teach us this,all this propaganda created and poisoned ummah about this,is because they want to spread back diffent ibadas from madhabs inside makkah mukaram,YaAllah defends costudium of makkah mukaram and madinat munawari from this enemy of islam.there are one islam and one ummah,YaAllah curse these many groups/sect ,who want to put shirki in your religion,and use this issue of moon as a fitna,always you blames Saudis and hates them,there is a different of kingdom/gorvement and
Custordium of makka mukaram and madina munnawari,everything is fine there until this moment,YaAllah give us the way to win against shaytan,and stops kufru bidaas inside Makka and madina,no maulid nabawiya or tasawwuf inside makka mosque or madina munnawari,lets follow ,what scholars decide which way to follow,take the choice,which you see,its right for moonsighting,as long you fast,29 or complete 30,as long we follow,quran and sunna,no farka please.
Allahu
What you say is interesting but you're taking too long to explain. Please keep video shorter.
Basically shaykh is saying we will follow Saudi regardless and baffle you with fancy arguments to justify it even though it is not following the Sunnah.
People selling their religion for charts and scientific explanations
Yeh people following saudi regardless for funding and support is a better reason lol
Shaik, sorry to say that your explanation on theoretical perspective not seems to be right because reaching from point A to B by human/ car/creatures which has external influence but movement of moon is by Almighty Allah which has no external influence to alter, already proven facts that human beings know very well that different phases of moon with its exact calculations. How do you believe if someone says 3+5 :10, do not we use our commonsense, this what happened now, someone says he has seen the moon during its invisible phase which has 5.5hrs old and I deg altitude , how come you are expecting us to believe
All respect to Shaikh Haitham however Allāh swt has given us intelligence to differentiate right and wrong and not to follow conjecture Saudi did not see the moon it was not possible. We as Muslims should not follow like sheep if there is a wrong we must make a stand against it otherwise lies and wrongs will continue .
You would blindly follow Pakistan it’s the same thing
sadia khan um no I don’t follow pakistan🤪 .
You definitely do! It’s the only nation that disagrees and unless you sighted the moon in the UK yourself you are following Pakistan
sadia khan okay of you say so, atleast pakistan actually site the moon Saudi didn’t even site it!!
Prove it! How do you know they did show me evidence!! you follow Pakistan blindly no one has seen evidence the moon was sighted in Pakistan secondly Pakistan is full of shirkh why would you trust them!
Last night i saw the moon and it was difinitly 5 days old so eid was on the 4th in my opinion
So if u se the moon is old 5 days so 4th is not Eid and 5th is not Eid too because is 5 days old hahaha
You are my Sheikh. May give you hasanat
May Allah give you hasanat
It was sighted in parts of Asia and Africa so that should be sufficient enough
It was not sighted in Asia that is a fairtale Mufti Popuzai only had 28 fast what did he cite lol
Imam Muslim, translation by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui , Volume: The Book of Fasting (Kitab Al-Sawm)
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Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i. e. her son) to Mu'awiya in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah b. 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (lasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sightidg of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us. Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
it is not enough educate your self
acejamal1 so sayeth the Sufi that have eye sights everywhere
@@jayoils123 A poet that doesn't know it just rambling of the subject. When you can't answer just rambles some words to steer of the points that you can't answer. another brainwashed blind follower then lol
acejamal1 you have no knowledge just copying and pasting if you had knowledge you would have time to be going back and forth reply and it shows your lack of manners in the way you write. You have no proof for what you initially stated all you did was bring a copy and pasted position that you yourself don’t understand my last time responding to you because you are a keyboard fuqaha
@@jayoils123 what are you taking about cut the sound bites and respond directly to the points in question. All you can do is baseless accusations. firstly state your position then what you object to and we will respond on a point to point basis.
We find this is issue common amongst people with sect mentality they stray of the topic make baseless accusations and slander.
Now you have my ear lets go on a point by point.
AlmdA. Well said sheik. Very clear
A fatwa should be issued that chopping one saud family is regarded as a good deed 😊😊😊.
Speak truth against oppressors . My city name Chikmagalur celebrated eid on 2 different day sheikh . Any comments ? Cuz some blind followers follow House of saud and we follow hilal committee ...
May Allah guide everyone to speak against oppressor . May Allah curse house of saud.
Umm Salamah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “There will be rulers from whom you will see both goodness and corruption. One who recognizes their evil and hates it will maintain his innocence, but one who is pleased with it and follows them will be sinful.” It was said, “Shall we not fight them?” The Prophet said, “No, as long as they pray.”
Source: Sahih Muslim 1854
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Muslim
@@user-mo4mm1yn6q there are many hadith which says that army of khurasan will emerge from East and kill Arabs in such a way that they have never witnessed before and if u see that army go n join that army cuz nobody can stop them and in that army imam mahdi will be there. So my brother Islam teaches simple thing raise voice against oppressors n every hadith has it own deep understanding.
الله يشفيه
Nearly 120 people gave shahadah of seeing the moon in the Province of KPK (land of the Pashtuns) on Monday 3rd June 2019. The mawlvis who represent the rest of Pakistan rejected their testimony. So there was Eid on Tuesday in KPK but not in the rest of Pakistan. WHY?
Don't talk stupid Mufti Popuzai and his cronies (blind followers who are stuck in Molvi-ism) had kept only 28 fasts what does that say about the so called witnesses? Last year he was sent to dubai by the goverment and he still did ilaan from there claiming his wife had seen the moon from the roof of their house. The Hilaal committee of Pakistan is represented by all the maktab e fikr groups why do those who ar from the same sect as popuzai reject his accounts?
Popuzai wishes to do Eid with Saudi no doubt he will be getting some funding you will find that it is all Chinese whispers and the source of the so called sighting is Saudi alaan.
Why does no one else in the whole of Pakistan ever see it?
Why does Popuzai and his cronies sighting coincide with the Saudi civil calendar?
Some stupid Pakhtoons instead of asking these simple questions are falling for the age old trick (b
learnt from the brithishers divide and rule) and tactics of popuzai nationalism we are Pakhtoon that's why they are not accepting our shahada!
Popuzai is a fitna supported by outside agencies not once has his sightings been corroborated by any sighting in the whole of Pakistan not even other countries in the immediate region. It is only ever corroborated by the Said calendar. (that the influence of the Petro Dollar).
It's time the Pakhtoons instead of being ignorant and stuck tribalism not break with the Jamaat wake up and smell the coffee not the bullshit pf popuzai.
We have to get serious Muslim we are a joke we need to unite from our own homes first. we follow the sharia authorities . That's why we need a Sheria authorities with Islamic barristers.
Where are those technologies of new Space Telescopes
Orbiting instruments such as the Space Telescope produced rapid advances new technology inastronomical knowledge, acting as the workhorse for visible-light observations of faint objects. These New space instruments under development are expected to directly observe planets around other stars, perhaps even some Earth-like moon and other galaxy. Here is where we really need to catch up with the West .
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Talks nonsense..the calculation was given AT THE SAME TIME AS SAUDIS SEEING IT..
I disagree with your opinion.
Thank you very much for making your stance on where you stand.
I believe that you have omitted some points and facts in your video and would appreciate if you could respond accordingly to the following;
(1) How is it possible that Saudi always announces the sighting before anyone else, year after year?
(2) Why are the reports of moon sighting from one particular city in Saudi?
(3) Why are the people who sight the moon the very same people who sight it year after year.
(4) As well as this year and many past years, how is it possible to announce the sighting of the moon prior to sunset ?
(5) After the adaptation of astronomical data in the 1970, Saudi released the ummal Qura calendar. According to the ummal Qura calendar, almost every date stated falls in line with the Ramadan and Eid announcements.
(6) As for the 8 of the months of the year, why are there no moon sighting announcements in Saudi?
(7) According to Quran and Sunnah, is there any evidence to state that we must follow Saudis ummal Qura calendar?
(8) When Saudi have claimed to have sighted the moon, why do other countries fail to sight the moon, like Morocco who have 278 points in their kingdom to sight the moon every month.
(9) How is it that astronomical data is relied upon in regard to sunrise, sunset and other times of salaah prayer but in regard to the astronomical data of the moon, you seem to cast doubt upon?
(10) How many ulemas agree with your opinions in regard to the video you have made?
Could you start naming them?
(11) If we all followed Saudi in regard to Islamic months and a majority of people started to do exactly that. Would you support the death of the great tradition of the Sunnah of moon sighting throughout the world because the majority wanted it?
(12) What do the ulema and Saudi government say to other countries in regard to the announcements of Ramadan and Eid?
Do the ask the rest of the ummah to follow them?
(13) When Saudi announces Ramadan or any other months, are they announcing to their nation or the ummah?
Please also respond to the below video.
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I could go on and on but before that, please respond to the above.
Jzk
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Paranoid? Conspiracy theorist? I thought so.
@@Theocracy8
I presume you are a blind follower?
If not, you could start debunking what has been asked.
BTW, all those are questions and not allegations.
Mistake to listen to the Saudis
May Allahu preserve u in good health brother and help u sees with the eyes if ur heart when manny ppl dosen't .. but in this case your explanation is unclear
What happened to his beard??
Dont speak on the youtube,speaks with muslim world scholars,and get fatwa
You could have covered the subject in two minutes sir! Instead you have gone round and round and ... taken over 22 minutes - unnecessary. The subject is much simpler. In my opinion, sir, you are missing the point altogether. People who announce Ramadan or Eid without anyone seeing the moon are disobeying Allaah. Who ever they are! They should not be followed! The matter with Saudi is little known by the public. Decades ago they had wowed to follow the moon calendar instead of physical sightings. It appears they are still bound by the agreement they signed with many other countries. My Allaah guide the ummah to follow the straight path.
I smell paranoia from you and it's reeking.
There are differences of opinion (by the Fuqahaa) on the issue of moonsighting as it is a matter of Fiqh. So, imposing a particular opinion and making it seem like the only valid or better opinion is simply wrong. And this Ikhwani clown is not even a scholar or a Faqih in the first place. So, I don't know why he is even giving out Fatwas?!
I knew this was wrong on June 3rd but all the mosques I could go to were doing it on June 4th so I had to do it on 5th
If the car breaks down or hits traffic or road closed then you are wrong theoretically & practically it wont reach in time... may Allah guide you to the sunnah.. ameen
Your example doesn't make any sense whatsoever
Eid was on Wednesday, Saudi never saw the moon on Monday night, all observatories will corroborate this fact, you only have to look at visibility graphs to know this, it was impossible. Quran and Sunnah dont say follow Hijaz for moon-sighting & these people will never give weight to the narration regarding Khuraib & Ibn Abbas رضي الله عنهما.
So to sum it up you didn't watch the entire video.
The moon was clearly visible on Thursday 6th of june in the west i saw it personally
It was also seen on Wednesday the 5th of June saudis were correct
This wil happend whit a dunya whitout khalifa
Yes because the Saudis with the help of the British ended the Ottaman sultanate and ever since they have serve the purpose of the west to keep the thrones
People should sight the moon from the own country thay live in simple.
And complete 30 fast simple.
Alhamdolillah bro it is that simple!
May Allah preserve the Sheikh, grant him good health and allow us to continue benefiting from him.
I agree with much of what the sheikh said however his opinion with regards to the level of certainty achieved from astronomical calculations vs witness testimony is one that requires more thought and research.
but the shaik has clarified that astronomical calculations are theoretical facts and nobody should take it as a fact because nobody knows the unseen and the hadith clearly states that the moon has to be sighted for it to be eid not predicted and if a scholar has based his opinoin on an astronomical theoretical fact he has not followed the sunnah of the prophet and did not sight the moon but based on a prediction then he will be sinfull
@@foofoo7146 May Allah bless you, just to further clarify. Astronomical calculations are not guess work, as the sheikh elucidated correctly they are facts. As Allah says "الشمس والقمر بحسبان". We are certain with regards to the movement of both the moon and Sun. We can calculate it down to the millisecond. Therefore it is inaccurate to say they are from the "unseen" when you can measure, calculate & detect them using a variety of tools. Sight is one method and not the only one. The prophet mentioned sight as that was what was easy for the people who were mostly illiterate at that time. Allah knows best.
@@mohammadjbadar1079 i agree that it can be very accurate but if it was 100% then saudi would not have made a mistake with regards to it being eid and its not the first time they have made a mistake but we need to be carefull with saudi arabia because they have allied with the jews and christians against our muslim brother and all warns about such people in the quran they also persecute scholars who speak out about this injustice and speak out about the tyrannical rule of saudi arabia the scholars of saudi have no longer got the freedome of speech they used to but im not taking anything away from certain scholars from saudi arabia but we should always look at what the majority of the scholars say as the scholars of Yemen Eygpt Morocco and the other ulamaa in Africa and india all differed i my self followed saudi this year but after hearing them say that the people around the world shouldnt follow them in regards to celebrating eid with them and they are only paying for the people of saudi for there mistake we need to use our own intellect and see what the majority of the scholars have to say not just the ones in saudi and not just follow them blindly may allah grant us clear knowledge and guidance ameen
What a load of waffle
There are 2 Eids happening in families.. Because of the ignorance and lack of Imaan of the Imams of the Masjid.
Allah's wrath and anger is upon such peoples.
it's the Petro-dollar homey they buying of the Imaams and the mosques
Allah ichafeek
Wallahi whoever doesn't watch this entire video just have pure hatred for Saudi and that person should clarify their intentions towards Allah. Shame on you!
authorities should be followed only when they are on Quran and Sunnah, not on shirk and bidah.. man what are you talking.. think about it.. ittaqul ALLAH
what you on bro (leave the cat alone)? what is the legitimacy for Saudi authority? They are clearly not on the Quran or sunnah because they are following a calendar and the birth of the new moon not the sighting of it. Were you not reading are do you have difficulty understanding stuff? I quoted hadith you are just emotionally babbling as a blind follower you can’t face that you may have wasted a fard Fast!
@@acejamal1 dont talk blindly, numerous shahada have been observed in KSA, UAE, and even in PKP Pakistan,,
@@nadirsiddiqui9559 When you can't defend your position revert to lying. What you are quoting is called Chinese whispers the source for all these sightings is Saudi in one of the countries that you are saying have sighted show testimonies of Hilaal committees? All the Wahabi Salafi najdi mosque blindly follow Saudi that is fact! The mUslim observatories with powerful telescopes could not see it but Wahabis can lol
@@nadirsiddiqui9559 Your claim abou Pakistan is a total lie as they are doing 29th fast today so you are totally bullshitting this is what you mudkhalli Najdis do
@@nadirsiddiqui9559 What happened to your numerous Shahadas? Paying reparations again then! 2011, 2013, 2015, 2019 each year there were numerous Shahadas (not) soon as the Najdi judicial council announces Eid according to their calendar chinese whispers start all the Najdi funded mosque claim to have shahada and multiple witnesses the source is Najdi judicial council. Popuzai is keeping and extra fast as he did 28. This is the fitna of the Wahabiyoon. and you are blind following them shame on you Najdi you serve the purpose of proving the Prophets, peace be upon hims, word "The earthquakes and fitna will come from Najd the horns of the devil. You are dividing the Ummah and are fitna makers yet you do not realize it because you are astray. Blind followers!